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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- Welcome to Dean of Doom, the show where we give grades to classic and contemporary Doom wads. Why? Because ranking things is fun. Today’s episode will be dedicated to The Plutonia Experiment, which was released as the second half of Final Doom in 1996. It was designed entirely by Dario and Milo Casali, who also contributed to TNT: Evilution. Now, the first thing that everybody and their brother can tell you about Plutonia is that it’s hard--well...was hard. The Casalis designed Plutonia to challenge players who had fully mastered Doom II, and I’d say they succeeded. In the Doom community, the Plutonia effect was twofold: it pushed players to greater heights of performance, and encouraged mappers to go even more nuts than the brothers Casali did, setting off an ever-escalating back and forth between difficulty junkies who needed tougher maps and crazy level designers who needed better players. I’m excited to get into this one: the more Doom I play, the more I respect and enjoy the Plutonia Experiment.
I’ll be using the Plutonia MIDI pack for this playthrough, which replaces the stock tracks from Doom and Doom II with considerably more flavorful tunes courtesy of some of the community’s best composers, including Jimmy, Stewboy, Bucket, Eris Falling, Viscra Maelstrom, and Mr. Freeze. It really refreshes the megawad, and made my replay a lot more fun, I highly recommend everyone try it out for themselves.
Link to the Plutonia MIDI Pack
www.doomworld....
![fellow fellow - PROUD feat. INK WARUNTORN [STRING QUARTET]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BQrVkMPTdHE/mqdefault.jpg)
To skip the intro: 1:45
Link to the Plutonia MIDI Pack is in the description
I was hesitant to start plutonia after feeling drained from TNT.
But I love me some Midi.
Great video bro, I'm a fan. Nice layout on your video.
Professor, this comment needs pinning.
@@DinnerForkTongue Thanks! I always forget
@@MtPain27
NP 👍
"There are only fourteen archviles."
Indeed, only fourteen. If you wanna see that number really be scary, go play Valiant.
@@DinnerForkTongue 200 mega hurts
Only 100 archs and 100 pain elementals
@@DinnerForkTongue Valiant, unfair but unforgettable
Plutonia 2 has a map with 60 or smth, it's kinda tedious
Civvie couldn't beat this on pistol start...
Now you'll get all the gamer girls at the next convention!
I don't think it's that he couldn't, but rather that Katie would outright murder him if he made her edit that much footage, and it would be bad for his own sanity already.
@@THEGRUMPTRUCK Civvie sucks at doom.
@@xjyo I'm aware that he does. I'm worse than Civvie but even I pistol start cleared Plutonia.
@@infinitelogicmachine8587
Unfortunately for the con chicks, he is married 🚫
Honestly, the Dean of DOOM is more worthy of “Pro DOOM” than CV11 based on the former’s dedication to covering every level (even if briefly due to covering the entire .WAD) and the “education” vibe created from the level grading.
Ah yes, Plutonia. Or as I called it when I played it, "god dammit why do they keep changing which floors are damaging on every map?!"
Also, thanks for reminding me how much I hated maps 10, 11 (not because of the arch-viles, or even the maze itself, but because of the obnoxious way the door triggers work), 16 (just too much waiting for something to slowly move up or down to where you need it so you can progress), and 25 (like you said, those stairs).
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It's kinda sad that both Plutonia 2 and Revisited both fall into the same damn trapping of inconsistent damage floors for the sake of "faithfulness".
Yeah that is definitely one thing I hold against Plutonia. Its more nerve wracking unless you've played the WAD enough times.
The original id-made levels did that too, you know.
Plutonia developer: ID gave us the licence, what we can do?
Map 10 designer: a *FUN* game
I personally Like every level in Plutonia, but map 10 pistol start is fucking mean.
@@electrorage4158 Map 10 is an awesome map. I think almost every map he hates in Plutonia I love.
@@electrorage4158 map 10 isn't even hard. if you can do the grab trick with the yellow key you can probably avoid all the dangerous parts
@@kietcan4799 1. Isn't the trick sorta hard to do and 2. This comment was 10 fucking months ago. My opinion has changed
@@electrorage4158 you say the trick is hard to do because you have skill issue and can't SR50 properly. just git gud and get it over with bro
I already gave my obligatory "Please do X and Y wads" comment last video so this time I'll just say it's a treat to watch these videos and I genuinely look forward to when they come out. Your channel has been a revelation and as long as you keep putting out content, I'll keep watching.
Thank you!
Big thanks to decino for introducing so many of us to you
Greetings Everyone.
"Abattoire is tight, sadistic and misspelled."
This made me laugh. Plutonia is easily my favorite of the two Final Doom wads. Has less junk maps and is more thematically consistent, brutal yet still manageable. I wasn't aware of the alternate music pack, I'll try it if I replay this someday.
It's so confusing that there is both "The Ultimate Doom" and "Final Doom" as the meaning of "ultimate" is "the final". Yet neither of these games were the last doom.
It's almost like Doom is "Eternal"! I actually didn't like that name at first either. I felt it should've been called "Eternal Doom" like Ultimate/Final before it.
@@wolfgangfrost8043 oh my god, you are so right. Eternal Doom would have been such a better title 👍
@@wolfgangfrost8043 theres an old ass wad called eternal doom so i think they were going to name it eternal doom but saw that this name was taken in the community and decided to call it doom eternal
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Eternal Doom was already taken by TeamTNT.
@@DinnerForkTongue Do you think they would have called it Eternal Doom were it not for TeamTNT? I think Doom Eternal has a nice ring to it.
And just like decino, he hearts every comment
Go2it was my favorite map as a kid, but excluding that, I think Twilight was my favorite. Though, i always enjoyed TNT more than Plutonia for some reason, I always thought the level design in TNT was super cool as a child.
Plutonia remains one of my favorite pick-up-and-play megawads, let alone the most fun to revisit in full vs. the other official WADs. I'm particularly a fan of concise, elegant levels like Caughtyard, The Crypt, Compound, and Neurosphere. The larger ones generally do well, especially Odyssey of Noises (which can be a little tough to navigate at first, but is ultimately way more fun and compelling than even Romero's Industrial Zone), but I definitely tend towards the popcorn-sized maps.
Beyond riffing on Ultimate Doom and Doom II in a pleasant way, it's awesome how Plutonia fully utilized the Doom II bestiary and its myriad combinations while rarely going for spectacle over efficient design. Go 2 It still has low numbers compared to its progeny, but feels almost as contemporary (the ammo/health bonanza gives it away). Combined with the excellent MIDI pack, it's easy to see how and why this map set remains more relevant today than most. As someone currently making a large Plutonia-style map, it's important for me to keep replaying the successful Casali maps and look for inspiration here and in the IWADs before Plutonia.
Have you ever noticed that the names of all of Bucket's songs start with PLU? Plusfort, Plummeting, Plutocrat, Plugged in, Plunge saw, Plug ugly, Pluvious, and Plurry.
All his songs for Revilution contain "TNT" too
I'm amazed that you refrained from mentioning Chaingunners a single time for four and a half minutes while talking about Plutonia.
IMO, I think "Go 2 It" is a bit overrated in terms of difficulty. You get tons of megaspheres and ammo is practically infinite. The courtyard area is more annoying rather than difficult, clearing out corridors with mancubi is tedious, and those "stationary" cyberdemons prey on your boredom. Don't get me wrong, it's still a lot of fun and it feels epic, but it's more tiring and tedious than it is actually hard. I think the biggest reason of dying on "Go 2 It" is by blowing yourself up with rockets to the face. :P
P.S. Huge props for giving a shout out to the Plutonia MIDI Pack, I can't overstate how much it adds to the overall experience.
I would like to hear your opinion on:
Plutonia 2 (It's Map 11 is an ACTUAL nightmare that I fear with passion)
SIGIL (I'm sure it's somewhere on your to-do list already :D)
Winter's Fury (A very different and "modern"-style WAD that I have really enjoyed)
I'm not great, it takes me several attempts to UVmax most Plutonia levels, but i can reliably clear Go 2 It first attempt. There's a lot of high level monsters, but no real pressure. You can run around, cause infighting, restock ammo and health, and dodge easily. As the grandfather of slaughter maps, i guess they were still working out the special sauce. Compare to modern slaughter maps that like to drop you into a tiny area filled with too many monsters to keep you threatened constantly.
Definitely the better half of Final Doom for me, what helps is that Plutonia has smaller maps that you can beat in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. It never feels like its overstaying its welcome.
"Possible Mission".. Lmfao!
Awesome, these classic wads are always entertaining, also "Icarus" and "Requiem".
In map 28, just like map 06, it's not 'invisible', it uses the voodoo doll trick, basically as you step on a certain spot or traverse a linedef, a doll of your character gets the weapons (most probably a lift lowers) and thus you get those too, since the dool is basically the player's 'soul'
"It's not actually an Impossible Mission"
Laughs in Co-Op Monsters.
Well, Ok it IS still possible, but that Chaingunner/Barrel Room becomes about 20x more evil with 2 added Cyberdemons, 4 Archviles hidden inside falling slime, and a Baron blocking the only exit followed immediately by another Baron in a tight space. Pretty sure you can't do without chaingun sniping some of the Archviles in one of the prior rooms.
If anybody thinks that Plutonia is hell already, playing with Co-Op monsters on turns it into a true testament of pain and brutality.
Wait, you can take out the archviles from a previous room? I did not know that. Which room is that, and is it possible to take out all archviles from that room, or only a few?
I agree. Co-op monsters bring in a fresh, challenging but entertaining set of maps in plutonia. Honestly speaking, I have enjoyed TNT more with -fast -solo-net parameters than I did with plutonia, but, plutonia is fun as well.
Also, plutonia with fast monsters and solo-net parameters is insane. Map 22 of plutonia and map 28 of tnt are the only 2 maps that I have not been able to beat successfully on -fast -solo-net, pistol start. (Ironically, mount pain on solo-net is one of the easiest tnt maps)
Any tips for map 28 of tnt? XD
@@nbrocx4216 The room with falling sludge with the chaingunner lineup you fall into. You can snipe kill 4 out of the 6 with the chaingun.
As for MAP28 of TNT. Pray to your God and hope he shines down apon you.
In all seriousness I've only been able to do Co-Op Monster runs of TNT and Plutonia with saves and carrying over weapons from previous levels. I'm uncertain if you can beat either of those two maps from a pistol start. But considering the insane levels of skill many members of the DOOM community have, I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
@@grimspecs4752 Hmm. That's interesting. Thanks a lot.
I think I understood the area you are talking about. I'm not exactly able to reach the farther 2 archviles. But, yeah, I see now how it can be done.
However, it's still very difficult to beat this with fast Monsters enabled. 2 archviles and 2 cyberdemons....yeah. not pretty. I've been trying to do this map on pistol start. You just dont get enough bullets to use the chain gun for 4 archviles.
Well, I expected that from map 28.
Yeah. I'm kind of on the same page. I did try single segment runs with fast Monsters and co-op monsters. And, I've been able to do most maps that dont have resurrecting chaingunners or narrow-room cyberdemons. Maps 7, 10, 22 (and a few more I cant remember atm) are the few maps I have not been able to do without saves.
Idk how many of them play with fast monsters enabled. But, yeah, I do think they will be able to come up with a solution.
There's something special about "Go 2 It" that you cant help but love especially when the Plutonia got remade down the line
Good job on reaching 1k. Loving the videos so far.
“Because ranking things is fun.”
Everyone in the internet: Yeah!
*BUT ONLY WHEN IM RIGHT.*
Word. : D
finally someone acknowledged the greatness of map15, my fav map as well)
This is exactly the kind of Doom content I've been searching for! Thank you for the awesome videos!
I hope both Interception sets get the Dean of Doom treatment someday, too!
Casual Players: "Exist"
The Plutonian Experiment (Chainguners, Revenants, and Arch Villes): Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Ok here is an interesting fact about plutonia. All the wad is not design around pistol start at all. Dario casalli precise it on his channel when he did his plutonia walkthrough few months ago. All the wad is balance toward continuity progression because he and his brother didn't play PS back in the day.
Dario Casali also stated that Plutonia was built under the assumption that the player(s) would take full advantage of saving and loading.
His psuedo-dev commentary on Plutonia is fascinating. I hope he does the same with TNT.
I'm very sentimental for this one, and I think my only real gripe is how you didn't go into detail on how smart the well of souls crusher sequence to save ammo was. To be fair, I was a kid and realized the brilliance of plutonia through that experience, but still. Also, love how the archvile and chaingunners rose from the pool of blood. Beautiful.
Amazing work Mtpain27 , love the Plutonia WAD on of my favs. TNT maps bring me the most nostalgia but Plutonia is always lots of fun!
It was a great video Mtpain .or just pain!
I played the plutonia recently so i must say this was a right video at the right time.👍
I was hoping you’d keep the bunny music for hunted
Ah yes, Plutonia, the classic Chaingunner/Revenant extravaganza. I like this one a tad more than Evilution.
Hey there.
Im always in search of obscure channels that have a playlist of Doom wads. Its refreshing and exciting to see someone straight analyse these mappacks to the tee.
I know I will be a long time viewer, so long as you keep this series up C:
I gave myself the challenge to play through this entire wad with the "Colourful Hell" mod and even made videos about every map. That mod makes most of the monsters stronger, depending on which colors they get. Also on UV and pistol start... it was a fun challenge that was also very frustrating in some parts.
One thing that really pissed me off was the final room in "Abattoire", the fact that you can't get out of the pit after you fall in. It used to be one of my favourite maps but that one room really drags it down.
The following map was also pretty damn hard, I wonder how difficult it is when playing it without the mod...
Also, I also enjoy the music for map 3 a lot. It sounds like it coould fit perfectly in Secret / Trials of Mana or similiar games.
I love Go 2 It because it's not hard to seasoned players, but it's the perfect challenge for new players looking to get better. It's practically impossible until you get the hang of infighting, and dealing with archies and cyberdemons. Once you know how to approach it it's not a big deal anymore but it's the perfect way to learn.
I love this type of ranking! Something I have knowledge about and something I can debate in the presence of equals.
Honestly, I'm surprised that these videos don't have more views, and that you don't have more subs. It's an awesome idea for a series, and as someone who still enjoys loading up a new megawad every few weeks, it has been interesting seeing your thoughts on what makes a wad work. Your presentation is clear, your voice works very well for the content you're producing. I hope you keep them coming!
I talked to Dario Casali yesterday for an hour and half about Doom. I recommended your channel. He clicked into one of them.
It's cool that you got to talk to him!
@@MtPain27 Sure was, I'm a huge Plutonia fan
Really great video! I love how you give a spotlight to the music in wads as it’s often overlooked, like you said, the music can change your whole outlook on a doom level
Tell your friends: Dario Casali is back! I wonder what he thinks of the Plutonia MIDI Pack?
I bet he jams to it. Plutonia was too rushed to get custom music done for it, and having fans make an entire soundtrack totally free of charge, with such fitting beats, is totally out of the scope. Only love and dedication can bring about something as big as this.
My favorite maps are 6, 11, 31, 32, and 28. Map 11 was the first map I ever recorded a demo for. Good choice on the Plutonia music pack.
Eagerly awaiting more reviews!
17:09 - fun doom fact: map21 of plutonia is a pretty neat level, but also contains the least amount of linedefs in the wad (not even 500!)
I'm liking this series so far. Dunno what you've got in store for us, but I'd love to see your take on the two "Back to Saturn X" megawads (while I await the release of the third).
Anyhoo, keep it up!
x600% in one week, let's hope the growth continues. I don't have anything to say but that outside of the difficulty I can't take Plutonia's infatuation with brown. Leave this to Quake and Petersen's flair please
Plutonia comes with a decent variety of brick colors, not just brown. You get white, mossy-green, tan, and Camo Green as well. :^)
Seriously, though, it's a solid set of textures, though I wish the Casalis had added new flats. There's a lot of great architecture in newschool Plutonia WADs like Da Will, Plutonia 2, Skepland, Plutonia Revisited, etc.
@@DragoonEnRegalia Thanks for the examples, I will check these. I don't really find Plutonia ugly since the level design is solid and organic (especially compared to TNT), but I prefer by far the more techbase aesthetic haha.
Dude, you are doing a great job with these videos! Great scripts, good jokes, fun editing. You deserve hundred times more views and subs!
Thank you!
Nice showcase. I'm currently playing this wad and I too played it in the 90s but forgot the maps. However you've given me insight on how to deal with the maps. Cheers
Although the non commercial maps are a lot more detailed and complicated, nothing hits the spot quite like Plutonia Experiment! It's nearly god damned perfect!
I'm replaying Plutonia with the Midi Pack, and gotta admit: it really freshens the wad up! I'm up Speed now, and i can't believe how pumped the new midi makes me! Much more enjoyable. Cheers!
Enjoy the rest of your playthrough!
the difference between Plutonia and TNT is that Plutonia feels like it was actually play tested.
.... now, Plutonia was play tested to be MORE devious. But it gives the gameplay an edge that'll keep you engaged.
as a parent, i laughed at your map 28 joke.. that was well timed. not wrong either *shrugs* XD
Loving the channel. Can’t wait for you to do DooM 64.
Early fan here. Keep up the good work.
I have a love/meh relationship with Plutonia and TNT. TNT seems more polished and has a consistent theme based on its basic story (demon space ship appears above the base and rains down monsters) whereas Plutonia's maps seem really haphazard as if they were all made independently and then stuffed together to make a wad pack and the only running theme are the exist teleports. I like both but if you gave me a choice between these 2 and Icarus I'd go with Icarus.
Plutonia is the hardest but most satisfying of the commercial iwads. I love all the original classic Doom levels, but Plutonia was in many ways my favorite. It simultaneously terrifies the player with insane levels of high-level demons everywhere, yet never resorts to boring slaughter-map style approaches to demon encounters. Instead, demon placement is deliberate and insidiously genius. Despite this, you're given the tools necessary to come out on top. So the combination of at once feeling, "oh dear mother of god I'm so completely f*cked" with "holy shit I'm actually doing this, hell yeah!! F*ck yeah!!!" that makes you feel like even more of a badass that you're conquering these ridiculously impossible odds. All taking place inside of levels with a consistent design structure (since it's just 2 guys) and some really fantastic architecture and color palette choices that continues to inspire mappers to this day.
Going to play through it again since it's been years before watching this, but don't worry, I thumbed it up.
So, did you? 😉
@@DinnerForkTongue naw, im working on doom eternal now, after playing nethack for a few months.
It's a good thing you played Plutonia experiment with the midi pack, it always makes playthroughs enjoyable
The guy porting Final Doom to the PlayStation chose Onslaught to be the final map, and it's kind of easy to see why - it's brutal. While the PSX version trades off *some* of the difficulty due to processing limits on the console and a lack of Arch Viles, it makes up for it by adding a Cyberdemon where there isn't one in the PC original.
Go To It
'it's not too many - it's how many there are'
I really like that line.
Since you’ve pistol-started Plutonia on Ultra Violence at least twice, I assume that means you get at least twice the Quakecon cosplayers
13:44 Hey you, Revenant! Duke want's his Shrinker back. Lol. :)
BTW You mention music almost at every level but it's totally deserved, the new midi pack is really outstanding.
I love this channel it is very nice channel
This includes all the musics of the game and give his opinion to levels
Really awesome!!
Plutonia is home, as difficult as it was as a kid, it was the game I remember the most.
Great analysis, excited to see what’s next!
This is a great show. I'm really enjoying your content, I'm very glad for Decino for introducing me to your channel.
Really like your explanation and analysis of each map and overall on every WAD. Great job and I can't wait for more Dean of DOOM.
I'm pretty excited whenever you do Plutonia 2 and Plutonia Revisited
Plutonia 2 is on my list!
Ah, i see you have good tastes for liking "Odyssey of noises" too... Great channel!
I just wanted to leave this comment to say thank you. I recently got into Doom through 2016 and immediately played Eternal on Hurt Me Plenty. I went back and decided to play classic Doom and Doom 2 on the same difficulty and was having so much fun. During this I found your channel and became obsessed. Just seeing you play doom was so nice and chill which I needed cause I’ve been going through a lot both mentally and in regards to my health. You were my go to when that stuff got bad. Anyway, I booted up TNT but a few levels in I thought to myself, MtPain plays on ultra violence and maybe I should give that a go? I never in a million years thought I could do it but watching your videos gave me the confidence. But now, I’ve completed all commercially released Doom WADS on ultra violence and conquered The Plutonia Experiment last night. I was so happy that I managed to do something I thought I never could. You and Doom have got me through so much the past few months and I want to say thank you because without your channel, I would not have fallen in love with Doom like I have and I would have never beaten these classic titles on Ultra Violence. I’ve now started 2016 on UV and will do the same with Eternal and both dlcs. Keep up the great work and remember not only do you help people through some of their most difficult times in their lives, you also inspire them. Can’t wait to see the rest of Season 2. Much love.
Thank you for sharing this, my friend. I’m glad my channel could have that effect on you. Congrats on completing commercial Doom (I remember Plutonia being especially taxing my first time through), and here’s to many more conquests!
@@MtPain27 thanks man! I plan to conquer many more. And it’s inspired me to make a video about my journey into loving Doom as previously, I thought I wasn’t into those types of games. I was very wrong!!
Awesome vid, and congrats on 1k+ subs. :)
I was gonna write a long wall of text for every map that you reviewed. XD
But, I decided against it. I mean, I don't think you (or anyone for that matter) would have the time or patience to read it.
To any of you out there that wants to play the official wads in a more challenging fashion, try out fast monsters, and also co-op monsters.
I've played all the official wads (sigil as well) on -fast and -solo-net parameters, and it's been a lot of fun. I'll definitely say this though, the difficulty ratings for maps 10,15 and 22 of plutonia will go to X with -fast -solo-net. Map 32 may be A+ or X, idk.
If you are done with the official wads, don't stop there. :)
I recently did some of the maps of Valiant with fast monsters enabled. Map31 was a joy to play. I'm gonna try it with Sunlust too, soon. Though, I don't think I will be able to beat the last 3 missions with fast monsters enabled, at all. XD
Replaying Plutonia (with a few mods) right now so of course I had to check out this video again. I always find it personally very funny that you describe Caged as an unmemorable, dull map - to me it is one of my defining memories of Doom, because as a 5-year old, I watched my dad play it. He taught me his strategy of hiding out in the corners past the bridges and waiting for enemies to slowly come to you. I distinctly remember watching him wait for a Cacodemon to slowly trundle over to him so he could unload on it with the chaingun. Hey, it worked for him!
Congo is my E1M1, but Caged is my Entryway.
compounds midi with the midipack is one of my favourite midis
Great vid. Can't wait for you to tackle BTSX.
"MAP22 isn't impossible."
Yeah, try it on solo-net.
By the way, since you're reviewing these classic wads, is the first Community Chest on your list? Because quality-wise it's probably the most varied megawad I've ever played and I think that might make for a very entertaining video.
The Community Chest wads are on my list, specifically 2 and 4. I haven't completed 1 or 3 yet, but they will one day all be featured on the channel.
@@MtPain27
I'd love to see how you rate Cchest4's maps 14, 18 and 22.
I'd love to see you do 4 because there are some game changing maps in that one
Idrather see you do the first due to Gene Bird haha
13:45 This is a rare bug where an enemy falls through the floor. I've heard the same could happen to the player.
coming back to this video, i checked out the plutonia midi pack page on doomworld and it's kind of cool seeing all of the influential musicians come in and ask jimmy for a shot at it.
i remember seeing bucket saying that he didn't know much about plutonia and asked him for a slot, jimmy gave him map09 and when he did that, he again gave him map 15 to work on. he even did map32 as a challenge for himself and it's pretty smile worthy.
also i have to say, trigger (map02 midi) is just, awesome. it sounds so catchy and mesmerizing and the OPL soundfont makes the ending of the song even better in my opinion
Back in those days I would take my netbook to a 24-hour diner and churn out a MIDI in about 5 hours and 18 cups of coffee.
@@MyNameIsBucket haha that's nice
I love onslaught and I don't care who knows it!
Plutonia was my first episode of Doom, i was 10 y o . This was a real trauma, it taught me to be good at playing doom. Like you, map 10 was dreadful : no ssg before the end, an infamous swarm of high tier mobs in a narrow space. But the obligation to run until you take the rocket launcher make the archvile decisive and he's the essence of the map. Not my favorite moment but i like this map. I had serious troubles with Speed, Final Frontier, Antichrist and Temple of Darkness. The last chapter was exhausting and not good as the third. Go 2 It wasn't so difficult, as you said, there's a lot of supplies in this map. But it is very fun and give inspiration to many creators. Plutonia is a great wad, today it is largely less difficult than most modern megawads, but i find his unfair side makes other megawads, more difficult yet, less punitive. NB : in plutonia, revenant will kill you so often, they never be a problem after
Plutonia is like the Doom equivalent of hate sex. It may be fueled by piss and vinegar, but the resulting aggression gives you that much more energy during the act which makes it that much more gratifying
Honestly, I thought I would hate plutonia like nothing else, but after playing through every level, I’ve grown to appreciate it much more. I may have a softer spot for the first 2 dooms, but I’ll say this is the most consistent WAD in commercial doom in terms of quality and challenge. Even if I wasn’t too big on the maps from tombstone onward with the exception of the final frontier, anti-christ, and the gateway of hell (no, I wasn’t a fan of Odyssey of noises. Give me onslaught any day), There wasn’t a map I wanted to give up on or didn’t have fun with (except for hunted during my first playthrough, but once I conquered my fears and beat it, it became my favorite level in the wad), unlike Evilution where I’m on Mill and I want to give up so badly.
The omen: 14:48 Ha ha, you did the same thing I did. One of the lifts takes you up to a double bared (red key switch and you're supposed to hit it to lower the teleporter. lol a comical oversight by Milo Casali.
Really enjoyed this episode! Haven’t played many of the Doom wad besides the official ones but this channel is gonna convince me to check a few of them out. Always loved Plutonia and glad to see you did too! I’d love to see an episode on Sigil and especially one that take into account both soundtracks! Cheers!
In my opinion Final Doom:Plutonia Experiment is awesome so it gets
A+
You mean you don't think HR2's is the best Icon of Sin map? For shame.
Playing through this with Final Doomer is a treat, makes it all feel like a hellish Vietnam flashback. I also feel like this wad is responsible for inescapable death pits, and those are the worst things ever conceived by a level designer. Thanks, Casalis.
23:57 i chuckle to myself very occasionally over this line lol
I'm really enjoying these reviews, I think you should review "Valiant" at some point. It's a miracle you don't have more subscribers
Valiant is one of my all-time favorites. It's definitely coming down the pipe.
I think I subbed because I like the cadence of your voice tbh.
Plutonia is like a BEST OF DOOM wad in my opinion. It nails a lot of the things that people remember and liked about DOOM and DOOM II. Lots of homages and they really nailed a lot of the good of the older DOOM releases. I know both it and TNT Evilution were super controversial for going from free to paid licensed wads, but still.
I don't find the combat in The Omen anything special, but I personally think it's one of the best looking maps in the game. It manages to look waaay more ominous (pun intended) than it actually is.
When I hear the word plutonia, map 32 gets into my mind, most memorable map of the wad, it set the bases of how to make a slaughter map, and map designers used their imagination to create even tougher maps as the time goes, but regarding 1996 standards, this map is just deadly
Unlike the other IWADs, lowering the difficulty level doesn't leave the levels almost barren, in fact, a few levels are not effected at all.
you got a new subscriber! I love these reviews, very well done, and very well edited and explained! Keep 'em coming!
Glad we're in agreement map 15's "Plummeting" by Bucket is probably one of the best MIDIs in the wad. A few other ones I like are Map 12's Power Metal "Blood Rush", Map 09's "Plutocrat", and Map 30's "Plurry" - All By bucket.
Bucket is the man
@@MtPain27 Wait, My bad - blood rush is by Eris Falling. Should have known - all the bucket plutonia tracks start with "Plu-"
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@@MyNameIsBucket Just realized that you're the actual bucket. You go man. Your music kicks ass.
your videos are awesome, the narration and scripting are really good!! more people should watch then!
22:56 that made me laugh way more than it should have.
Plutonia is a mix bag personally for me. I fucking LOVE some of the levels like odyssey of noises but goddamn despise others like twilight. It's a roller coaster to say the least.
13:45 shoutout to the revenant in the floor
Good video, good memes, good skills! Hope you continue to enjoy making videos :D
Watching this I realized how big of a difference Fast Monsters option makes when discussing the difficulty of those levels. Goddamn.
More more, and more! Very fun to watch!
Great Video as always! Will you do Plutonia Community Project and Plutonia 2 in the future?
Plutonia 2 is on the list, haven't played the Community Project
@@MtPain27 Great cause I'm currently on the verge of finishing it, albeit with the final doomer plutonia weapon mod, and I had a blast
23:20 not exactly, but there's an illusion as if you were grabbing a BFG, in Doom single player, you can put 1 or more player start locations, putting more will make the 1st player start location where you will start, others are Doom Slayer clones that kills you if you kill them which coins the term "voodoo doll". So what the Casalis did was place a linedef that activates a room with a voodoo doll and a BFG under it, it lowers the platform so the voodoo doll can grab the BFG, because the voodoo doll represents you, they share the same inventory as you. Same thing happens at "Baron's Lair".
Oh yes i was waiting this
Totally agree with onslaught, its stupid.
And i think that plutonia have the best icon of sin fight by far. Its challenging, but not riddicolous, I had troubles with it, but a with few tries I beat it without lost health when i grabed the megasphere.
nice vid!
Rewatching the old Dean of doom