To skip right to the reviews: 1:54. Also, I forgot to link j4rio's run in the description last night, so that is now available as of noon EST on 12/26. Go watch it!
6:05 Let's bear in mind that The Dean of Doom used the word "sadistic" here, because at this time, he still didn't present The Citadel at the Edge of Eternity in the show.
@@DinnerForkTongue if they had the props that other mods have, and if it was built in Z doom, it probably wouldn't feel much different than a duke or shadow warrior... but, ya knoe... that ain't the case.
He was pretty egotistical. Although I've chatted with him a bit and he seems pretty chill now. It's been a few years since Lilith.pk3, I think he's matured a bit.
@@samuelfreeman5483 Plus he no longer has the "Salty Member" title anymore (though that is because of the change in DW where everyone is allowed to modify their titles)
Dude, your writing (and reading thereof) are so enjoyable. You present thoughts and opinions that go way deeper than "this is good/bad", without ever straying into pretentious art student territory, and I can't get enough of it.
It's incredible how the goo gimmick from Doom Eternal was applied 16 years ago in a slime fest of a community chest. Props to everyone involved, even Gene Bird.
Not to mention, in the final act of Mucus Flow, it looks like BPRD intentionally put the combination of monsters like Imp, Pinky, Pain Elementals, and Cacos; so that infighting won't be considered a viable option. Just Kudos to BPRD and his ingenious sadism.
Except you can just the pinkies wont be of much use but the lost souls can injure and kill pain elementals. pretty sure if you let them start infighting walk out and come back you'd only be left with probably some cacos and a handful of lost souls.
Your dig at the Master Levels during Gene Bird's first segment makes me really want a Dean of Doom for the Master Levels, haha. It would be a glorious trainwreck.
One of the great things about FINALLY getting my husband to play classic doom is I could begin introducing him to some of my favourite content. I've wanted to sit down and watch Dean of Doom or decino's playthroughs with him forever because even if I'm not really active in this community anymore, it still inspires that feeling of joy. And classic episodes like this one and your continued evolution as a content creator are why I'm a happy Patron. I actually choked up watching his expression after your review of Mucus Flow, seeing that he got the same feeling from your emotional outpouring that I did. Thank you for a moment that is so fucking weird without the context, Dean, because it meant the world to me. And now he compares foolish decisions to Gene Bird.
My only knowledge of the Community Chest brand is that CC 4’s textures have been inside more of creation than Genghis Khan. I’m usually wary of community projects as a whole, as I’m becoming more fond of finishing an entire wad before getting to anything else, and one massive stinker map can ruin it for me. That being said, I am now downloading the hell out of this, because your recommendation of The Mucus Flow is the cherry on top of this community’s flagrant adornment of it. I’m also glad that someone else covered the hilariously fun-blind exit of No Room, purposefully alienating people as a joke by making your map obtuse is painful on every front.
@@daveinthemicrowave Ayep. Gazebo is a total genius in picking music to his maps, probably the best in the community at it. Just look at Haste, or Fractured Worlds.
I heard when they were naming the Doom difficulties they had premonitions of The Mucus Flow and couldn’t sleep for weeks, nights of nights of pure terror, so they named the hardest difficulty nightmare
Honestly, I feel like the erratic pacing of the wad has it's charm. Kinda like a compilation record, there's a competitiveness to it. We rag on Gene Bird, but a brand new novice might appreciate his ample health, simplicity and obvious secrets. For me, Map 15 stopped me dead in my tracks. Found out the hard way -if you stop running, you'll suffocate.
i'm glad gene bird's last map was better because, god damn, i can't imagine being a new mapper and then watching this review of my work condolences on your impending doomworld ban after that map28 review
kinda wish we heard from gene bird post-CC2 and saw them develop their mapping more. Spirit World HQ is conceptually very cute, i think you're onto something with your assessment of its intention, tbh! it just doesn't seem like gene was up to the execution.
Yeah. If he had an improvement arc like Jimmy Paddock (seriously, compare his Jenesis levels with his contributions to Eviternity, you can barely tell they're from the same dude), I would enjoy seeing it.
I like to think The Mucus Flow was one of the last maps made for CC2 because I can imagine BPRD like “hahaha what if all the wad’s poison was snot???? lmao”
Hey there, Gene, this the Dean, I'm here to say your maps are quite obscene! Also shots fired at Doomworld overseer Ling. Funny enough, I like the way you pronounced his username. It sounds better!
Everyone talks about the Gene Bird burns in this video but nobody mentions how scathingly, _surgically_ vicious you were to Gethsemane - every word a tactical cut. And hell, if that map is anything like the Use3D maps from CC1, it deserves it.
Your writing, vocal control and dictation in this episode are phenomenal, well done. In particular, your polemic against Gene Bird was extremely entertaining. I hate that I have to wait another two weeks for your next review. And since I don't feel like commenting twice, thanks for suggesting JPCP! I am but a wee Doom plebian who struggles to beat Doom 2 on UV, but playing through that wad has been insanely fun. I just finished Map 21, and for such a stump of a map, it was a hell of a lot of fun.
Something interesting I found in the original Blind Alley upload of Spirit World HQ was that it utilized ghost monsters (hence the name I suppose), something which was lost in translation so to speak. The archvile behind the window you were firing into while taking about Gene Bird "finding new ways to waste your time" was adjacent to a crusher that squashed a few former humans and shotgunners who were to become the ghosts. I don't think the segment is substantive enough to matter but I found it interesting nonetheless.
Yea, Community Chest 2 is the sort of wad that I only gave a real try to once. Nowadays the only way I have fun with the vast majority of its maps is by summoning friendly Arch-Viles and hanging back with the Isabelle companion (courtesy mod by ItsMeVeronica) while the Archies kill and convert an army of monsters to my side. I'm very apathetic towards Gene Bird myself, but at least his maps are _functional._ I honestly dislike Use3D's works more, likely because he tries to soar higher and falls flat because he relies way too much on Boom's effects rather than proper mapping design - seriously, his name gives it away, there is NOT A SINGLE MAP OF HIS that isn't unnecessarily dolled up with fake floor-over-floor, bridges and other Boom limit-removing gimmicks. His Magnum Opus is Ventilator, map01 of Community Chest 3, as like Desecration here it was made specifically for its CChest project, is more visually cohesive and the usual bag of tricks is not dumped on your head. I love infighting, so The Mucus Flow is not quite overbearing to me. Definitely a hard map, but I find it manageable and, dare I say, fun ☺️ Maybe because (I'm not sure if you missed it and not just mentioned it) after you hit the secret killswitch to wipe out ALL the chaingunners that haven't teleported into the towers, you're left with a quite manageable 300-something enemy count. Also is it just me or did its architecture and colour choice influence Skillsaw in making episode 3 of Valiant? The similarity is rather uncanny, in hindsight. 🧐
It's crazy how influential The Mucus Flow is; I think the most I've ever seen it referenced was in Speed of Doom, which is a wad I'm excited to cover next season. I'm sure BPRD leaked into Skillsaw's work too. And I thought about mentioning the chaingunner switch but there never seemed to be an organic way to bring it up. I figured people would see the 100% at the end and assume it could be dealt with somehow.
I decided to watch the video map-by-map as I complete the wad. It's surprising how my feelings for each level are usually echoed after I press play. Another great breakdown, as always. Keep up the great work so I can tell people how I was here before you went big. :)
7:12 so the effect there is another cool Boom feature. It's a yellow colormap, which gives that ghastly filter effect. I believe a lot of the sectors have blinking lights too, which makes a cool combination. Im not 100% sure though, I'll have to open it up in Doom Builder. Hell Ground uses this effect well too. *edit on Map15's cool effects: Deep liquids and friction are sector tags in Boom, the "slopes' are just staircases of 1 unit wide sectors (a pain to make, I did it one time, never again lol), and the bridges actually work in vanilla. Ultimate Doomer is really good at those, but they're super buggy and really hard to get working. In Doom you can make sectors that don't reference any of the surrounding sectors, only itself. That makes it do more damage as a crusher and wel as move instantly and silently as a lift. If you merge your self referencing sector with a lift off screen set at the proper height it will be an invisible elevator. Then mark linedefs around the self referencing sector to raise and lower the floor. This will happen instantly and you can set the mid textures to look like a bridge. It sounds relatively simple, but getting them to work properly can be painful.
Oh and Mt. Pain, sorry if this sounds preachy or like I'm a know - it - all, I just really like Doom editing and all the tricks, especially in Boom! :D
Yeah, Boom has a feature that allows you to swap to a custom colormap when the player is in a given sector. Its usefulness is kind of limited because the effect is invisible from outside the sector(s) the effect is applied to, which is why in MAP07 here, the area with the lighting is completely self-enclosed. It's also a tedious effect to make, iirc you need a linedef for every unique sector tag you need to use in the area, the linedef special basically uses one of its textures to store the name of a colormap lump to load, then applies the effect when the player is in the tagged sector. Regardless of its limitations, I think it's really put to good use here. I remember being pretty surprised by it when I played through part of CC2 a few years back, it's not something you really see used often. Also, I think I know the section of Hell Ground that you're referring to, but I think that's a different effect than the one used in CC2 MAP07, the effect I'm thinking of from HG is visible from outside the affected sector. Not really sure how that is pulled off, but I think it might be a modification to the global colormap, to make a specific light value render colored lighting rather than the normal brightness-adjusted values it'd normally give, which would be a vanilla-compatible effect if that's how it's implemented.
MIDI from Mucus Flow is real psychosis inducing stuff and btw is this first DoD episode where was higher rivalry for dans cap instead of salutatorian spot? :P
I'm pretty sure I played this back in the day. I got into custom WADs around the time this was released. But I don't remember any level in this. Well, any level but one. Yup, The Mucus Flow is legitimately the only level I remember from this, and it's mostly cause of those Chaingunner towers. I remember trying to take them all out at the beginning and realizing that that was probably not possible. And while I don't remember the level at all, The Ultimate Doomer's contribution is easily recognizable to me as one of his. His Super Sonic Doom megaWAD from 2004 was probably the first custom WAD I played that wasn't the level my dad made, and CC2's Map 15 reminds me so much of Super Sonic Doom's Ocean City Zone (minus the underwater sections), and most of his 2001 megaWAD Fragport. He's got a pretty distinct style. I kinda want to see a review of Fragport in the future cause I wonder how it holds up. I think people really liked the exploratory nature of the WAD and general design, but I can think of several maps from it off the top of my head that look very bland and are huge with not much going on in them. But there's also a level that takes place in a laser tag arena and a level that's basically a Doom version of Volcano Valley Zone from Sonic 3D Blast (and the precursor to Super Sonic Doom), so it's got some cool ideas. But I digress. Great review as always!
I absolutely love your breakdowns on each wad, Dean. Plus, your thrashing of Gene Bird is just quality content. That brings me to an idea i had in mind: there’s this WAD out called Doom Zero, and I would love if you could eventually do a DOD episode on that WAD! Thanks again! 😁
@@MtPain27 I think you'd like it well enough. Pound for pound it is EXTREMELY vanilla (god, it's begging for a midi pack), but it pushes atmosphere pretty far and it's full of quick, relatively compact maps that make it satisfying to run through. Doesn't really have any huge showstoppers, but it's good, clean Doom.
I just watched decino do a Mucus flow run. He recommended this video as his inspiration for that run. Excellent video, now I remember why I never played most of these maps ;-)
Wowee, just stumbled on your channel with your Mucus Flow viceo. Your passion of the game is really fantastic, I never thought that a map could have such an impact on someone, but you have that ability to convey those emotions. Amazing work
Gene Bird's bleak concrete-sky-stone texture themed map aesthetic gives me such a nostalgic vibe as if I'm playing Doom on a cold february evening in 1998. I find it funnier when you think that some person who's currently in his/her mid late 40's, paying bills and raising children used to make doom maps by the name of Gene Bird in early 00's.
Speaking of the Mucus Flow. There is another map that I believe was made as a nod to it because in Sunders Map 31 House of Corrosion. It uses the same exact midi and even a similar toxic theme. It is one of the most detailed maps I have ever looked at.
I would say your treatise on The Mucus Flow deserves its own video essay, but you actually went ahead and did that before I could suggest it. Bravo work as always, sir! I don't expect you to get to the first Community Chest anytime soon, but it's worth noting it does have an entry on the top 100 map list at #54, "Citadel at the Edge of Eternity." It's not quite The Mucus Flow in terms of structure or memorability, and it might actually be famed for all the wrong reasons, but it would be THE reason to cover the original if there was one. That said, the third and fourth CCs are definitely more well-balanced and I look forward to them sometime, especially to see what gets said about lupinx-Kassman's two contributions to the latter.
I like how you portray Gene Bird as Big Bird from Sesame Street, it's making me think of you getting annoyed by Big Bird singing "la la la" in an infinite loop.
I playing this map pack at this very moment ,and i can tell it is truly challenging, Mucus Flow is my fav edit: Im surprised you dont have at least +100000 subscribers. Your content is amusing and interesting
I now plan to go and sit on the curbside, a sign begging food or clean socks betwixt my feet, and finish this. I'll admit that randomly shouting "Eat rockets, fucking Spider Master-cunt" isn't productive to eating, but these maps are OK so far. Fuck map 5
Glad to see you upload again. Just LOVE your presentation. Fumbling through eternal doom(1997) and need more ideas of what to play after the previously mentioned wad and Equinox followed by AV. Edit: added a sentence
That was the problem of CChest 1 and 2, I feel - it's way too much of a grabbag of whatever the contributors had lying around, vacuumed up into one haphazard package. The 3rd and 4th edition do a better job of being internally consistent.
Been watching and rewatching this series, except for the WADs I have yet to play. LOVING these videos, they are detailed, straight to the point, and it's very interesting seeing another person's detailed views on certain maps. Some of these are even funny and take great use of editing. These are so much fun to watch. Very eager to see what else you will be covering, be it good or bad mapsets out there. I doubt you'll cover some of the ones I've played such as Sunlust (the first community-made Doom WAD I've ever played, seven months ago), and other WADs made by Ribbiks. But these videos, along with Civvie's, are kind of inspiring and make me want to review some of those mapsets myself. Hell, I've been making quite a few of my own maps, and have participated in some community projects recently. Don't worry, they're not Gene Bird level of quality, lol. TL;DR: Binge-watched, subscribed. Keep it up. :)
I wonder how Gene's doing nowadays. Given his map right after B.P.R.D.'s masterpiece (edit: well, one of his masterpieces) was better than the rest of his contributions, I hope he's gotten better at mapmaking.
Commenting admittedly late, but the one flaw with The Mucus Flow I've always had is that it 100% should've been MAP29 instead of MAP24. I believe for my own private copy of CC2 I actually even edited the map order because it always bothered me how weirdly placed it was - well, either that or MAP32, because it's so fundamentally different from everything else.
Excellent review, very pleased to see your content. I don't think I'll be spending my time on this WAD. Almost finished Akeldama, wouldn't say it's as good as the Golden Boi Valiant but it's certainly fun overall
Pretty sure Gene Bird was a psyop to scramble the Deans brains. Also The Flange Peddler was my favorite username and I was hoping his maps would be best.
Poor Gene Bird is a misunderstood artist. The Marcel Duchamp of doom. Sure, his maps are simplistic and eye-gougingly ugly, but one has to admire his commitment to Doom dadaism.
To skip right to the reviews: 1:54.
Also, I forgot to link j4rio's run in the description last night, so that is now available as of noon EST on 12/26. Go watch it!
Mucus Flow smashing straight into a Gene Bird map is far funnier than it has any right to be
Something about BPRD's fascination with stars gives himself and his work a very unique, genuine quality.
6:05 Let's bear in mind that The Dean of Doom used the word "sadistic" here, because at this time, he still didn't present The Citadel at the Edge of Eternity in the show.
"It makes the master levels look like art"
A worse insult for classic doom mapmaking was never uttered.
Yeah but master levels feel like they wanna be a build engine game for some reason.
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And fails miserably.
@@DinnerForkTongue if they had the props that other mods have, and if it was built in Z doom, it probably wouldn't feel much different than a duke or shadow warrior... but, ya knoe... that ain't the case.
@@christiangottsacker6932
Indeed. Or even better, GZDoom. Look at Ashes and tell me that doesn't scream "Build engine game".
@@DinnerForkTongue for real! I'll try that out, I'd make my case about gz with BlooM, which if I try ashes you better try Bloom if you havent.
Gene Bird: *exists*
The Dean: peace was never an option
The Dean is just Jealous because he doesn't have half the mapping skills that the Gene has...
@@SinCity2100 Gene Bird's maps are horribly laid out. Amateur mapper at best.
@@SinCity2100
SLIGE makes better maps than Gene Bird. Worse than him mapmaking-wise, only the late Magikal.
@@THEGRUMPTRUCK Yeah, I know that, It's just a joke...
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The roast of gene bird throughout the episode was a nice touch.
Hey, Don't roast the bird man... but in all seriousness yeah, I laughed a lot..
and well deserved
Smells delicious!
Having seen this entire series, I have *never* seen the Dean unload on anyone like he does on Gene Bird here. I am kind of in awe.
same dude it threw me off so hard
Low-key, I think he unloaded even harder on Xaser. Professor just can't stand the dude's non-musical creations.
Graf Zahl shouldn't get a pass just 'cause he made GZDoom, he has a "Salty Member" title on Doomworld for a reason
He was pretty egotistical. Although I've chatted with him a bit and he seems pretty chill now. It's been a few years since Lilith.pk3, I think he's matured a bit.
@@samuelfreeman5483 Plus he no longer has the "Salty Member" title anymore (though that is because of the change in DW where everyone is allowed to modify their titles)
Eh, coming in a bit late to the community, it feels like it's the fault of both the community and Graf. Weighing a bit more towards Graf though.
He didnt make zdoom my guy. He made GZdoom. What do you think the GZ in GZdoom meant?
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn he's even more of an egomaniac than I thought, then
You can’t hide from “The Master Levels” forever, Dean.
Not forever, just until summer school when Megasphere released a custom soundtrack for them.
Are the Master Levels actually bad then?
@@CyberLink70
Why don't you watch the Summer School episode to find out?
You needed Stephan Weyte for the Mucus Flow segment.
"How does it feel? Horrible, isn't it? But, wonderful, yes?"
Or maybe Werner Herzog: th-cam.com/video/jjjnZvtwtqA/w-d-xo.html
I guess it was inevitable that we'd come across the Tommy Wiseau of mapmaking at some point. At least we got a few laughs out of it.
"Linguica doesn't seem to respect the player much, and you know what? I don't respect him much either"
ok
based
owned
There there, girls. You're both pretty princesses, no need to quibble.
when's no room 2, sausage boy
Nice to see you here Linguica. Thanks for dropping by!
Dude, your writing (and reading thereof) are so enjoyable. You present thoughts and opinions that go way deeper than "this is good/bad", without ever straying into pretentious art student territory, and I can't get enough of it.
It's incredible how the goo gimmick from Doom Eternal was applied 16 years ago in a slime fest of a community chest. Props to everyone involved, even Gene Bird.
Not to mention, in the final act of Mucus Flow, it looks like BPRD intentionally put the combination of monsters like Imp, Pinky, Pain Elementals, and Cacos; so that infighting won't be considered a viable option. Just Kudos to BPRD and his ingenious sadism.
Except you can just the pinkies wont be of much use but the lost souls can injure and kill pain elementals. pretty sure if you let them start infighting walk out and come back you'd only be left with probably some cacos and a handful of lost souls.
Mucus Flow is one of the few maps that can make Imps and Pinkies feel like huge threats
Actually, I wasn't thinking "Why review the sequel before the original".
I'm more confused on the fact about a Doom themed monopoly.
I'd play that!
"Enigma is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside a pile of bulls**t"
That left turn cracks me up every time I hear it
Your dig at the Master Levels during Gene Bird's first segment makes me really want a Dean of Doom for the Master Levels, haha. It would be a glorious trainwreck.
Prof. Pain has that planned 😈
The very first thing that came to my head when I saw this video in my notifs is...
*THE MUCUS FLOW*
oh, hi admeral
One of the great things about FINALLY getting my husband to play classic doom is I could begin introducing him to some of my favourite content. I've wanted to sit down and watch Dean of Doom or decino's playthroughs with him forever because even if I'm not really active in this community anymore, it still inspires that feeling of joy. And classic episodes like this one and your continued evolution as a content creator are why I'm a happy Patron. I actually choked up watching his expression after your review of Mucus Flow, seeing that he got the same feeling from your emotional outpouring that I did. Thank you for a moment that is so fucking weird without the context, Dean, because it meant the world to me.
And now he compares foolish decisions to Gene Bird.
Thank you for sharing this with me Cappa B. I never thought spreading the joy of Doom would go so far :) Best wishes from me to you and your husband!
Map 24: "sweet Jesus"
Map 25: " gwadsake"
Me: "Ah I'm terrible at designing maps"
Gene Bird: *exists*
Me:.."I could be worse"
My only knowledge of the Community Chest brand is that CC 4’s textures have been inside more of creation than Genghis Khan. I’m usually wary of community projects as a whole, as I’m becoming more fond of finishing an entire wad before getting to anything else, and one massive stinker map can ruin it for me. That being said, I am now downloading the hell out of this, because your recommendation of The Mucus Flow is the cherry on top of this community’s flagrant adornment of it.
I’m also glad that someone else covered the hilariously fun-blind exit of No Room, purposefully alienating people as a joke by making your map obtuse is painful on every front.
The Mucus Flow deserved a standalone release, such a super-memorable level
the map's theme song is from another world.
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And used almost as well in Sunder map31. Then again, Insane Gazebo is on BPRD's level.
@@DinnerForkTongue oh so that's why it seemed so familiar
@@daveinthemicrowave Ayep. Gazebo is a total genius in picking music to his maps, probably the best in the community at it. Just look at Haste, or Fractured Worlds.
You being so hard on Gene Bird is somehow hilarious and sad at the same time.
I feel bad for the dude, honestly.
I heard when they were naming the Doom difficulties they had premonitions of The Mucus Flow and couldn’t sleep for weeks, nights of nights of pure terror, so they named the hardest difficulty nightmare
Honestly, I feel like the erratic pacing of the wad has it's charm. Kinda like a compilation record, there's a competitiveness to it. We rag on Gene Bird, but a brand new novice might appreciate his ample health, simplicity and obvious secrets.
For me, Map 15 stopped me dead in my tracks. Found out the hard way -if you stop running, you'll suffocate.
The mucus flow is so crazy out of place, but so incredible. A little too hard for me but really undeniably awesome.
We usually have our differences on doom music taste but I can surely agree, The Mucus Flow's music selection is literally flawless.
i'm glad gene bird's last map was better because, god damn, i can't imagine being a new mapper and then watching this review of my work
condolences on your impending doomworld ban after that map28 review
kinda wish we heard from gene bird post-CC2 and saw them develop their mapping more. Spirit World HQ is conceptually very cute, i think you're onto something with your assessment of its intention, tbh! it just doesn't seem like gene was up to the execution.
Yeah. If he had an improvement arc like Jimmy Paddock (seriously, compare his Jenesis levels with his contributions to Eviternity, you can barely tell they're from the same dude), I would enjoy seeing it.
I like to think The Mucus Flow was one of the last maps made for CC2 because I can imagine BPRD like “hahaha what if all the wad’s poison was snot???? lmao”
Going from The Mucus Flow to a Gene Bird map was quite the whiplash.
Hey there, Gene, this the Dean, I'm here to say your maps are quite obscene! Also shots fired at Doomworld overseer Ling. Funny enough, I like the way you pronounced his username. It sounds better!
Everyone talks about the Gene Bird burns in this video but nobody mentions how scathingly, _surgically_ vicious you were to Gethsemane - every word a tactical cut. And hell, if that map is anything like the Use3D maps from CC1, it deserves it.
The only Use3D map worth playing to this day is Dirty Water. Even then it's a weak map.
10 SECOND PAUSE FOR THE MUCUS FLOW, GOOD GOD THAT MEANS IT IS THE GREATEST LEVEL MADE IN MANKIND
Your writing, vocal control and dictation in this episode are phenomenal, well done. In particular, your polemic against Gene Bird was extremely entertaining. I hate that I have to wait another two weeks for your next review.
And since I don't feel like commenting twice, thanks for suggesting JPCP! I am but a wee Doom plebian who struggles to beat Doom 2 on UV, but playing through that wad has been insanely fun. I just finished Map 21, and for such a stump of a map, it was a hell of a lot of fun.
your intelligent, passionate review process of a fantastic doom map becomes absolutely hilarious when turned on a terrible one, i love it.
WELP
IT'S NO MUCUS FLOW
Something interesting I found in the original Blind Alley upload of Spirit World HQ was that it utilized ghost monsters (hence the name I suppose), something which was lost in translation so to speak. The archvile behind the window you were firing into while taking about Gene Bird "finding new ways to waste your time" was adjacent to a crusher that squashed a few former humans and shotgunners who were to become the ghosts. I don't think the segment is substantive enough to matter but I found it interesting nonetheless.
Also the music heard in Map 23 is a MIDI Version of Mega Man X3's Toxic Seahorse Stage
I’m gonna become one of those youtubers that makes a 4 hour long video called “Gene Bird: Misunderstood Wünderkind”
ahhh roasting gene bird was delicious and i regretted that i forgot the bbq
My cat could probably make a better doom level than Gene Bird.
MtPain27 saying that Gene Bird hits the refresh button on his brain for every room might actually be the funniest shit I've ever seen
I'm ready for an "MtPain27 vs Gene Bird" arc lets gooooooooo
Yea, Community Chest 2 is the sort of wad that I only gave a real try to once. Nowadays the only way I have fun with the vast majority of its maps is by summoning friendly Arch-Viles and hanging back with the Isabelle companion (courtesy mod by ItsMeVeronica) while the Archies kill and convert an army of monsters to my side.
I'm very apathetic towards Gene Bird myself, but at least his maps are _functional._ I honestly dislike Use3D's works more, likely because he tries to soar higher and falls flat because he relies way too much on Boom's effects rather than proper mapping design - seriously, his name gives it away, there is NOT A SINGLE MAP OF HIS that isn't unnecessarily dolled up with fake floor-over-floor, bridges and other Boom limit-removing gimmicks. His Magnum Opus is Ventilator, map01 of Community Chest 3, as like Desecration here it was made specifically for its CChest project, is more visually cohesive and the usual bag of tricks is not dumped on your head.
I love infighting, so The Mucus Flow is not quite overbearing to me. Definitely a hard map, but I find it manageable and, dare I say, fun ☺️ Maybe because (I'm not sure if you missed it and not just mentioned it) after you hit the secret killswitch to wipe out ALL the chaingunners that haven't teleported into the towers, you're left with a quite manageable 300-something enemy count. Also is it just me or did its architecture and colour choice influence Skillsaw in making episode 3 of Valiant? The similarity is rather uncanny, in hindsight. 🧐
It's crazy how influential The Mucus Flow is; I think the most I've ever seen it referenced was in Speed of Doom, which is a wad I'm excited to cover next season. I'm sure BPRD leaked into Skillsaw's work too. And I thought about mentioning the chaingunner switch but there never seemed to be an organic way to bring it up. I figured people would see the 100% at the end and assume it could be dealt with somehow.
I decided to watch the video map-by-map as I complete the wad. It's surprising how my feelings for each level are usually echoed after I press play. Another great breakdown, as always. Keep up the great work so I can tell people how I was here before you went big. :)
damn I hope I never disappoint anyone the way Gene Bird disappointed this man
7:12 so the effect there is another cool Boom feature. It's a yellow colormap, which gives that ghastly filter effect. I believe a lot of the sectors have blinking lights too, which makes a cool combination. Im not 100% sure though, I'll have to open it up in Doom Builder. Hell Ground uses this effect well too.
*edit on Map15's cool effects:
Deep liquids and friction are sector tags in Boom, the "slopes' are just staircases of 1 unit wide sectors (a pain to make, I did it one time, never again lol), and the bridges actually work in vanilla. Ultimate Doomer is really good at those, but they're super buggy and really hard to get working.
In Doom you can make sectors that don't reference any of the surrounding sectors, only itself. That makes it do more damage as a crusher and wel as move instantly and silently as a lift. If you merge your self referencing sector with a lift off screen set at the proper height it will be an invisible elevator. Then mark linedefs around the self referencing sector to raise and lower the floor. This will happen instantly and you can set the mid textures to look like a bridge. It sounds relatively simple, but getting them to work properly can be painful.
Oh and Mt. Pain, sorry if this sounds preachy or like I'm a know - it - all, I just really like Doom editing and all the tricks, especially in Boom! :D
Yeah, Boom has a feature that allows you to swap to a custom colormap when the player is in a given sector. Its usefulness is kind of limited because the effect is invisible from outside the sector(s) the effect is applied to, which is why in MAP07 here, the area with the lighting is completely self-enclosed. It's also a tedious effect to make, iirc you need a linedef for every unique sector tag you need to use in the area, the linedef special basically uses one of its textures to store the name of a colormap lump to load, then applies the effect when the player is in the tagged sector. Regardless of its limitations, I think it's really put to good use here. I remember being pretty surprised by it when I played through part of CC2 a few years back, it's not something you really see used often.
Also, I think I know the section of Hell Ground that you're referring to, but I think that's a different effect than the one used in CC2 MAP07, the effect I'm thinking of from HG is visible from outside the affected sector. Not really sure how that is pulled off, but I think it might be a modification to the global colormap, to make a specific light value render colored lighting rather than the normal brightness-adjusted values it'd normally give, which would be a vanilla-compatible effect if that's how it's implemented.
MIDI from Mucus Flow is real psychosis inducing stuff
and btw is this first DoD episode where was higher rivalry for dans cap instead of salutatorian spot? :P
I found that The Mucus Flow's theme helps me focus at work. It and Kristian Aro's "Last Man Standing" from Whispers of Satan and CChest4.
*dunce
@@DinnerForkTongue *dans
most of those maps make me do DansGame emote face, it was on purpose :D
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Aasah, I see, you're a clever one 👈😏👈
I'm pretty sure I played this back in the day. I got into custom WADs around the time this was released. But I don't remember any level in this. Well, any level but one. Yup, The Mucus Flow is legitimately the only level I remember from this, and it's mostly cause of those Chaingunner towers. I remember trying to take them all out at the beginning and realizing that that was probably not possible. And while I don't remember the level at all, The Ultimate Doomer's contribution is easily recognizable to me as one of his. His Super Sonic Doom megaWAD from 2004 was probably the first custom WAD I played that wasn't the level my dad made, and CC2's Map 15 reminds me so much of Super Sonic Doom's Ocean City Zone (minus the underwater sections), and most of his 2001 megaWAD Fragport. He's got a pretty distinct style. I kinda want to see a review of Fragport in the future cause I wonder how it holds up. I think people really liked the exploratory nature of the WAD and general design, but I can think of several maps from it off the top of my head that look very bland and are huge with not much going on in them. But there's also a level that takes place in a laser tag arena and a level that's basically a Doom version of Volcano Valley Zone from Sonic 3D Blast (and the precursor to Super Sonic Doom), so it's got some cool ideas. But I digress. Great review as always!
Homework can wait there is a new Dean of Doom episode
I absolutely love your breakdowns on each wad, Dean. Plus, your thrashing of Gene Bird is just quality content. That brings me to an idea i had in mind: there’s this WAD out called Doom Zero, and I would love if you could eventually do a DOD episode on that WAD! Thanks again! 😁
Doom Zero has become pretty popular since it was added to Unity. I'll have to check it out someday.
@@MtPain27 I think you'd like it well enough. Pound for pound it is EXTREMELY vanilla (god, it's begging for a midi pack), but it pushes atmosphere pretty far and it's full of quick, relatively compact maps that make it satisfying to run through. Doesn't really have any huge showstoppers, but it's good, clean Doom.
@@cimcam9949 I super agree with this review.
Came for The Mucus Flow, stayed for Gene Bird 😂
There's one of his other good contributions to Community Chest 2 lmao
Watch cchest 1 later :D
Nothing like chinese food and a new Dean of Doom episode to fill out your day.
Well, that's just like your opinion man
"it looks like it came out before doom 2" is the funniest critique you have done
I just watched decino do a Mucus flow run. He recommended this video as his inspiration for that run. Excellent video, now I remember why I never played most of these maps ;-)
Dean straight up reprimanded Gene Bird like he’d done some serious detention 😮
Another great episode Dean. Thanks for covering this, at least in part, classic megawad.
Wowee, just stumbled on your channel with your Mucus Flow viceo. Your passion of the game is really fantastic, I never thought that a map could have such an impact on someone, but you have that ability to convey those emotions. Amazing work
Gene Bird's bleak concrete-sky-stone texture themed map aesthetic gives me such a nostalgic vibe as if I'm playing Doom on a cold february evening in 1998. I find it funnier when you think that some person who's currently in his/her mid late 40's, paying bills and raising children used to make doom maps by the name of Gene Bird in early 00's.
The Hell Revealed episode is upon us!
All Gene Bird maps
3:15, Deja Vu
7:44, The Pit
10:01, Redemption
14:43, Spirit World HQ
25:07: Desecration
Dean: "I don't like your map Graf Zahl."
Graf: "I made your source port."
Dean: "Understandable have a nice day."
Speaking of the Mucus Flow. There is another map that I believe was made as a nod to it because in Sunders Map 31 House of Corrosion. It uses the same exact midi and even a similar toxic theme. It is one of the most detailed maps I have ever looked at.
I would say your treatise on The Mucus Flow deserves its own video essay, but you actually went ahead and did that before I could suggest it. Bravo work as always, sir! I don't expect you to get to the first Community Chest anytime soon, but it's worth noting it does have an entry on the top 100 map list at #54, "Citadel at the Edge of Eternity." It's not quite The Mucus Flow in terms of structure or memorability, and it might actually be famed for all the wrong reasons, but it would be THE reason to cover the original if there was one. That said, the third and fourth CCs are definitely more well-balanced and I look forward to them sometime, especially to see what gets said about lupinx-Kassman's two contributions to the latter.
I like how you portray Gene Bird as Big Bird from Sesame Street, it's making me think of you getting annoyed by Big Bird singing "la la la" in an infinite loop.
MOCK 2: SPEED OF STUPID - DEAN OF DOOM when?
2day is gonna be the day
I playing this map pack at this very moment ,and i can tell it is truly challenging, Mucus Flow is my fav
edit: Im surprised you dont have at least +100000 subscribers. Your content is amusing and interesting
Some good maps in this wad. And I don’t blame you for skipping first cc wad. Not much happening in that wad
There's rubbish happening in CC1, really. Nothing else.
Well, especially Map29 of this game, Sheeeesh..
Fell asleep to yer old videos last night and woke up to a new one! What a pleasant surprise
The ROTT MIDI Challenge: Take a Cyberdemon rocket to the face for each time you hear a ROTT soundtrack in a custom Doom map.
😉😉😉
A late Christmas gift, Mt. Pain? Oh you vile man. The holidays are hard enough, but I'll do it. Much love.
I now plan to go and sit on the curbside, a sign begging food or clean socks betwixt my feet, and finish this. I'll admit that randomly shouting "Eat rockets, fucking Spider Master-cunt" isn't productive to eating, but these maps are OK so far.
Fuck map 5
Glad to see you upload again.
Just LOVE your presentation. Fumbling through eternal doom(1997) and need more ideas of what to play after the previously mentioned wad and Equinox followed by AV.
Edit: added a sentence
Sadly don't remember the source,but Gene Bird maps actually been used to fill the empty slots to get 32 maps
That was the problem of CChest 1 and 2, I feel - it's way too much of a grabbag of whatever the contributors had lying around, vacuumed up into one haphazard package. The 3rd and 4th edition do a better job of being internally consistent.
25:35
Well, Tommy Wiseau's name does come from the French word for bird...
I found the community chests got better after i remember playing CC4 and not hating any of the maps and found myself willing to replay it.
This is the one episode where no map makers take credit, roasted 🍗
The roast of gene bird gets me everytime
Been watching and rewatching this series, except for the WADs I have yet to play. LOVING these videos, they are detailed, straight to the point, and it's very interesting seeing another person's detailed views on certain maps. Some of these are even funny and take great use of editing. These are so much fun to watch.
Very eager to see what else you will be covering, be it good or bad mapsets out there. I doubt you'll cover some of the ones I've played such as Sunlust (the first community-made Doom WAD I've ever played, seven months ago), and other WADs made by Ribbiks. But these videos, along with Civvie's, are kind of inspiring and make me want to review some of those mapsets myself.
Hell, I've been making quite a few of my own maps, and have participated in some community projects recently. Don't worry, they're not Gene Bird level of quality, lol.
TL;DR: Binge-watched, subscribed. Keep it up. :)
I wonder how Gene's doing nowadays. Given his map right after B.P.R.D.'s masterpiece (edit: well, one of his masterpieces) was better than the rest of his contributions, I hope he's gotten better at mapmaking.
Well, more or less. His first submission to CChest1, The Boardwalk, is his best-rated map in the show by a good margin.
Tbf we all knew what valedictorian would be
Heard of this from some of the music in a Good Doom Music playlist. I've never seen people play this one, so thanks for introducing me to it!
Commenting admittedly late, but the one flaw with The Mucus Flow I've always had is that it 100% should've been MAP29 instead of MAP24. I believe for my own private copy of CC2 I actually even edited the map order because it always bothered me how weirdly placed it was - well, either that or MAP32, because it's so fundamentally different from everything else.
Excellent review, very pleased to see your content. I don't think I'll be spending my time on this WAD. Almost finished Akeldama, wouldn't say it's as good as the Golden Boi Valiant but it's certainly fun overall
Speaking of Master Levels, will you ever review them? (if you will be able to bring yourself to play them, of course).
Yes, that one is planned.
@@MtPain27 Good luck then, especially with Cranium maps!
@@MtPain27 I can't wait for TEETH.WAD...
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Good luck and have faith, sir.
@@MtPain27 Ummm Black Tower should get an A+ and teeth ummmmmmm
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You know making map it's like drawing.
You improve more you try
Damn I remember playing this wad years ago and stopping after map 10 (and im glad I did)
Definitely gonna check map 24 tho
Also, I remember going to spirit world hq, just sort of looking around and trying to move and then just level skipped out
You need to get a Patreon man ! Great stuff... always makes me want to try out new WADs
The problem I see with Patreon is that video production becomes more of a chore than a hobby. Gotta tread lightly.
It’s funny how much of a toll Gene Bird had on the final grade here
Pretty sure Gene Bird was a psyop to scramble the Deans brains.
Also The Flange Peddler was my favorite username and I was hoping his maps would be best.
i remember decinos playthrough of map 24 so im glad to have seen a review of the rest of the wad
Always love to come back to the gene bird stuff it’s too fucking funny
The mucus flow was the only reason I got this megawad thanks to you hahaha.
Poor Gene Bird is a misunderstood artist. The Marcel Duchamp of doom. Sure, his maps are simplistic and eye-gougingly ugly, but one has to admire his commitment to Doom dadaism.
If Cinema has Tommy Wiseau and Neil Breen, Doom has Gene Bird to be inspired, at least your maps will be better than Gene Bird..
Merry Christmas dean! Hope you had a good one despite this trainwreck of a year.
Another great video! Perfect for the last day of Christmas.