Vertical Mill Tutorial 5 : Preparing Stock
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19:35 Shouldn't that alignment seating tool (hammer) have a plastic, rawhide, rubber, lead, or soft wood face? I mean, aluminum vs. aluminum. Seriously? I thought precision and finish was what Q was all about. And don't give me the 'Oh, but it was just gentle tapping'. I bet the nitro glycerin hobbyist doesn't get away with gentle tapping without making a mess.
@@stanervin6108 I tap on a shim to protect the part when tapping on a finished surface, and it doesn't matter if the surface is not yet machined. I explained all this in the video.
This whole channel is gold. I'm in awe!
Wife looking puzzled at me as I say "tappy, tap, tap" (unfortunately) out loud, each and every time.
Over 50 fitter machinist here, quite a good series for hobby machinist and a reminder of how much becomes automated in our thought and method while working. Keep up the good work
It's like a mix of, This old Tony and AvE with a pinch of oxtools then tossed in a bowl and served cold.
Ice cold.
@@Blondihacks "...and It is very clod in spaaaaace..."
"It's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere..."
No stock is ever prepared for what I end up doing with it.
Same. It never sees me coming.
You use some of the most unique and creative expressions I’ve ever had the pleasure of hearing. And they always fit the content perfectly. RESPECT!!
Hey don't hate on us woodworkers now! Just because we live in a world of 1/16th and 1/32nd doesn't me we don't have souls.. that was some good pointers on squaring stock Quinn.. thanks for the heads up.. I have been a cabinet maker/carpenter all my life and now t 67 I want to do a bit with a metal lathe.. you are a good teacher Young lady.. I appreciate your videos... Carry on..
I’m just jealous because I can only manage to cut wood to within half an inch.
@@Blondihacks Now I find that hard to believe.. you are a very talented woman.. You have a lot to teach this old man.. and I find it all very interesting the things you do.. Merry Christmas my dear.. and thanks so very much..
@@Blondihacks often us wood elves have to get within a couple 1/64s to get joinery to work properly, just unfortunately with way clumsier tools.
Blondihacks You could work for IBM- where they measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk and cut with an ax.
@@mikebeacom4883 is that in imperial or metrics?
This was a good supplement to Tony's redux of the process. Were I a machine hobbyist, I can envision spending leisurely hours squaring up scrap stock in preparation for future ideas.
Nope. Squaring is so boring you only do it when you absolutely have to.
@@1pcfred maybe to you. Not everyone is the same.
@@Epiphalactic I suppose there some that would waste their time.
@@HDitzzDH what pray tell is so enjoyable about squaring stock up?
That last tip at about 18.30 minutes in about how little it takes to cause both parallels to not be super tight has just saved my sanity. Thanks again Quinn! (I was questioning everything as I'm just using 2 sets of ground HSS parting blades as parallels for now while I wait to get an actual set of parallels)
AvE’s infected my brain too. But I’m gonna laugh my a- off if you ever end with “keep your t-s in a vice”. 😂🤣😂🤣 Once again, GREAT VIDEO! Thanks!
"Keep your comments nice"...?
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Hello Quinn. Holding material in the mill vise with a piece of round stock against the moving jaw and dialling in a block in the 4 jaw chuck using a dead and live centre are things I do all the time. However, you are the first person on youtube who I have seen do this. The mill vise trick works well for very heavy cuts as well. I have a video were I take a .250" deep by 3" wide pass in 4140. The work was held with a piece of round brass between the part and the moving jaw. The set up was accurate and rock solid. I think when my two sons are old enough to start using my equipment I will have them watch your videos first. Thanks, Ken
I’ve used a lathe for a few years and have just ordered a mill and I’m finding these vids really useful. I’ve milled on the lathe but transferring to an actual mill.... Anyway thanks for taking the time 👍🇬🇧
Always enjoy setting down to relax on a Saturday and finding a new Blondi hacks video available. I’m new to machining and am learning a lot from you. Thank you very much for sharing.
Nice job again, Quinn. But for your viewers I want to share something.
Any error introduced during setup for facing will affect consistency of thickness dimensions between larger surfaces more than between smaller surfaces. The angular error would be the same, but obviously any angular error is larger when it is over a longer distance.
Thus, I think the second of the largest faces should be cut after two opposing smaller faces are made parallel. If the second of the largest surfaces is cut while the other large face is not able to sit firmly on both parallels, it will surely result in the two largest faces NOT being parallel. Therefore, the third cut should be with the one large milled face against the fixed jaw and the smaller milled face on the parallels (using a rod between the moving jaw and the workpiece, of course). This will give two opposing parallel faces which can then be clamped in the vise while one large flat face is completely down on the parallels, thus resulting in the two largest faces being truly parallel. This is often the most critical parallelism desired in a rectangular solid.
Thank you for explaining the purpose of using round stock in the vise. I really appreciate it!
Your videos are great, you go over all important details that others gloss over. Thanks!
Love these "skill builder" videos! Terrific for the newbie!
Very thorough coverage of truing-up stock on the mill. Thanks Quinn!
I have said it before, you add a touch of theory to your explanations that make a difference.
Lol. I kinda know al this stuff. it is nice to have it all laid out in a neat, orderly manner for references for the amateur.
This mill series is good stuff. So many little details. Love it!
Nicely explained and very comprehensive.
Very good series on milling for beginners and little advanced the best I ever saw...keep up the good work ,😎
Excellent video! Ball bearing or round stock to prevent stock distortion, duh! Seems so obvious now you’ve pointed it out but had me stumped for ages. 😊👍🏻
I am learning so much from this video series!
Your sense of ha-ha might be more subtle than Tony's, but I'm glad for your videos and his.
Thank you Quinn for another very informative, well -explained & entertaining video.
Another great piece of informative video, thanks
Great tutorial!
Thanks and Meow.
I have the sameish model of Milling machine They are superb. Try and use it everyday!!!
Comprehensive. Thank you.
Like all men of my generation and being a professional engineer and sometime amateur machinist, I have a know-it-all attitude, especially to basics.
I stumbled upon your videos when I fell asleep and TH-cam automatically played one of yours following binge watching This Old Tony.
How fortuitous that was.
I set about binge watching yours and was amazed at how many things you explained were either new to me or now made sense, such was your amazing clarity of teaching.
I'd go as far as saying your series are actually clearer than Tony's and I'm pretty sure that would be a source of great pride to you given the height of that bar.
I shall now embark on a journey of epic proportions by binge watching ALL your videos from day one and hopefully contribute further by commenting on some.
Bravo Quinn...bravo! 💙💛
Thanks! Theese videos are so useful
Thanks Quinn
Thanks a lot for this great video. Your videos have enlighten me very much. Very useful channel. Regards from Iran !
I hope you are a teacher, you missed your calling if you're not. Well presented Quinn.
Thank you - I have learned a great deal and realized the mistakes I was making. Your videos (tutorials) are excellent. Donald
I love the glow in the dark dial indicator on your lathe. Precision in the dark (:
I commend you. I'm quickly realizing I may be too impatient to achieve the level of precision my perfectionism demands.
Thanks so much for these videos, they help me out in school 😊
Will you marry me? LOL! Seriously, I'm just an old biker wannabe machinists... picked up a mini-mill and have become addicted to your tutorials. Fantastic. Quite confident that I've learned more here already than I could have ever at a trade school or even several years of hands-on experience. Thank You!!
Great Video!!!
NIcely squared away! Thanks for the great tutorial.
I see what you did there. 😏
Thanks for sharing
Excellent tutorial Quinn. Maybe showing checking after each operation for squareness 🤗
Best regards and thanks for sharing.
4 years later thank you.
Totally should have thrown in the visual pun of having a bunch of various metals and vegetables in a cooking pot sitting on the mill.
That would be almost as good as TOT feed his kitten nuts and bolts and getting round stock and ball bearings. Check his "clampy thing" video.
Suggested content, also do a round piece on material such as when you only have a mill. OD's and faces.. turning and trepanning.
I'm paraphrasing, but I believe it was DaVinci who said "The sculpture is hiding inside that block of marble. All I have to do is remove the bits that it's hiding it from *your* sight. Just because I _see_ something that other sculptors don't see doesn't make either of us wrong or right!"
On the other hand: With some plunge milling, I now know how to make a solid metal match box (lid to follow)! lol
Poor woodworkers 😅
I picked up a Porta-band from Harbor Freight, threw the blades out, quick trip to Lowes for new blades. Turned a 100 dollar saw into a 150 dollar saw.
FWIW - regarding steel rods for use in the vice. If you can get your hands on a scrap laser printer or copier, I found that the rollers are usually stainless steel and seem to be high precision. They are about 5mm in dia. and 24mm in length. In their scavenged state the have a foam coating - most of which is easily removed with a razor knife and then I go at it with acetone. I generally just use them as stock for misc. projects, but after watching this video I can see they could have a more elegant use.
my first milling was squaring up a block now I see were I made a mistake thanks I wont do that again .
Hi Quinn, I have only recently started following your channel and have binge watched all your uploads in true 'budding stalker' fashion 😁. I am not a machinist but am a maker and I am good with numerous disciplines. I appreciate your ability to deliver content that is interesting and relevant to my interests all the while being just as funny as #TOT. I LOVE how you quote #AVE or television (too soon for the L word?).
I look forward to the next video from you. Nice work on the Adam Savage collaboration and sending the broken parts to #TOT, also the quick tips challenge that always helps with discovery of new makers.
Keep it up, can't wait to see what's next.
Warm Regards,
Pete
Awesome! Thanks for watching my little channel! Glad to have you here. 😀
You do an excellent job of explaining these techniques. Very knowledgeable.
I just looked and did not see a vijeo for laying out parts, something that I struggle with badly. Accurately measuring,marking and transferring measurements, Could you possibly do a video on this subject or if you have, point me to it?
Thank you.
tappa tappa tappa... Thats a smile not an upside down frown!
I enjoyed the video. My hack saw battery runs down pretty quick. The horizontal bandsaw you have is sold by everyone including Horror Fright. That is where I got mine and it has taught me a lot of new swear words what with the saw blade jumping off at every turn. The only saw that I like is the Evolution380.
The tracking on them is a big weak point. I had to make a bunch of tweaks to keep the blade in place.
@@Blondihacks did you make a video showing what you did? I would sure like to make the thing usable.
No video, but I did cover it in my blog post on that saw (link in the description). The TL;DR is that you have to fiddle with the tracking angle adjustment a lot until it works. 😁
I thought the tap tap tappy was from happy Gilmore. Haha great video
Quinn, just got a portaban saw, mostly because it cut more accurate than a cut disc. my lathe is ready to paint but!....living in an apartment so it mat have to waittil summer?
I'm loving the mill series. Keep them coming. My son and I are learning a lot.
-Will
Just kidding, another top vid, many thanks
We this side of the POND call2 flute cutters Slot Drills for cutting slots. End mils have 3 or 4 flutes and give better results.
David and Lily 7 lathes and 2 mils to my name.
Thanks for another great video! Have a couple of questions: On the second face, you chose to put the extruded side up and the sawed cut on the parallels. Did you have a reason for doing this or does it not matter so much at this stage? I would have leaned towards setting the extruded side down. Just wondering about your thought process. Also, do you like dead blow hammers for tapping down parts onto the parallels? They have less of a tendency to mar the work surface. Thanks again!
cutting aluminium with a wood saw, the exact time you can pin point cabinet makers world wide having heart attacks
Was just doing a refreshers vid, as the painters tape didn't work however much I used!
Frank... UK...
Added you to petreon support. Thank you.
Thank you for the support! 🥰
Without spending a ton of cash, it's far easier to chain drill then hacksaw. It can also save material by breaking down a large piece into somewhat more intricate shapes than straight cutting
I didn't expect you to watch AVE but it makes me happy lol
Hey! I resemble that remark (quote from Curly) Wood workers indeed! lmao
Hi Quinn, great videos! What would be the max depth of cut with that shell mill with your milling machine. Thanks
Love these videos. I am even more constrained in space and weight so have a manual Sherline lathe and mill. Very nice machines but the small size s a bit of a challenge as less rigidity and places to clamp various things. If these videos had been out 5 years ago it would have saved me a lot of grief.
Any thoughts on wandering into hobbyist CNC?
1:10 My heart took that personally. :(
Great videos.
Do you have any recommendations for a cutter to start face milling? The ones showing up in my searches are expensive.
Greight vid, thanks. Regarding vise (vice?) jaws deflecting (@12:10), I suggest watching Stefan Gotteswinter's excellent video on this subject - 'Machineshop Physics: Vice deflection'. On the strength of this I bought an 80mm width screwless vice (vise?) and I love it. I coulda done with something a bit bigger, but this fits my mill table perfectly.
Where did you get it? I’m in the market for a vice.
Great tutorial! I wish you had posted it a couple of days ago! I'm currently making that phone holder out of 20x40 mm aluminium (notice the proper spelling! :-o ) and I "squared" my stock by first milling the top, then the bottom... So I'm moving over to the dead tree carcass guys... But really, I don''t have a proper mill and I don't really need that half a thou precision on the phone holder. I think...
I also found that the band saw removes material _a lot_ quicker than my "mill" (an old drill press with a milling table). If you're lucky(?) I'll post a video on my making this in a while. (1 day < "a while" < 3 months)
Yah, minimal precision required on that phone holder. You'll be fine!
Nice simple understandable explanation and to the point without any sometimes sick jokes and shenanigans,(i am subscribed to this old Tony) Can you tell me the size of your vice? I got a rather low quality 80mm vice thrown in on my mill purchase but i am looking for something a bit bigger, better quality and safer(not so much lift) not in the kurt price range but say no more than $200, I'm undecuded whether to get the Acculock style like yours or the precision toolmaker style that stefan uses on his mill, your thoughts on the subject and if you had to buy again what would you choose. Thanks.
Well explained , Thank you look forward to the next one.
Hi Quinn, I'm using a rubber coated hammer. Is that ok, or do I lose effectiveness with the rubber?
Three guys in pub having a pint after work two were engineers, one was a joiner.
1st engineer- I had to do a job today that was within 5 thou
2nd engineer that's nothing I had to do one that was within 2 thou
Joiner looked at them with a strange look and said I had to one and it had to be right!
Always a joy, metaphysical question, when does scrap become stock and vice versa?
Every time you cut it, a piece changes state from one to the other.
Along with what Tom said, junk is what you get rid of two weeks before you need it.
Robert Oswalt why’d you have to muddy the waters with “junk”‽
one thing im not sure if ya mentioned, i had the worst time my first time squaring, i didnt check for burrs, and when i was done squaring my peice was like 5 thou out becaze it laid on the parrale on a burr, so i check for any burred surfaces after each cut. love the vids................. i swear to god, i was writing this you said there is one more step......... deburr lmfao
"Go talk to woodworkers." ZING!
I could have made that phone holder out of wood.
@@1pcfred oh sweetie, I'm sorry you don't get the joke.
@@desmofan1864 I don't see any joke.
@@1pcfred 1:00
@@desmofan1864 what about it?
What is the first saw you introduced, cold saw?
20:22 can i just rotate the part using the fact i have 4 surfaces(two needed) to clamp it in the vice and mill it from the top using previous tool?
another great video. wtw your hands are better looking than this old tony's hands.
hi im new to milling i just got my new mini mill, wanted to ask what you would recommend to a newb on a mill vise that wont break the bank thanks very much Mark subbed and liked
Hi Quinn, I'm struggeling to think of the best way to square up a slice of 2" round brass bar . I have an raw circle and two non parallel bandsaw cut sides. Lots of TH-camrs squaring up a almost square block, but nothing about round bar , it must be a common problem, Round bar is much more common than inch thick square stock. Thinking I might skim one face in the lathe first and start from there. Would welcome your opinion. Great channel.
what tpi bandsaw blade do you use in you bandsaw and what is the speed you set with the belt?
Hi I have been trying to find the scribe that you use (or show) on your videos. Any chance you can let me know where you bought it. Thanks.
You say you have a link to a blogpost on tuning up a horizontal bandsaw. How do I find blogpost? Im looking for that and recommendations on new blade
Great information for a beginning machinist like me! Also posted an electronics comment on your website, please respond when you get a chance. 😁
I don’t think I see your comment. Where was it posted?
@@Blondihacks I commented to blondihacks.com/about/ but I don't see it. I'll try again back at the office.
@@Blondihacks Also here th-cam.com/video/wtVQCM1UDJ0/w-d-xo.html but not the details of the question
@@Blondihacks Reposted it to Blondihacks.com - let's see if it sticks... 😁
You are the first machinist I have seen wearing gloves. I've always been told never to wear anything, so I've got to ask what kind of gloves you have? Great video, Subscribed!
I wear nitrile gloves to protect my skin from metal slivers and the oils and chemicals. It angers many commenters greatly but we all make our own safety trade offs as we see fit.
@@Blondihacks nitrile tears easily enough to not be a safety hazard IMO. I was taught to never wear gloves around rotating equipment, but as with all safety rules, you have to understand the "why" of the rule to know when it's ok to break it.
@@rennkafer13 Yep, that's my analysis also. I would not wear a heavy glove around spinning machines, but these gloves are safe IMHO. I've had a Dremel catch one once, and it simply vanished from my hand. I didn't even feel it. 😅
@@Blondihacks , I'm a beginning-hobbyist machinist (alas TechShop!) and ALWAYS use gloves while cleaning (those first few metal splinters teach a very painful lesson). I've been going back and forth on thin nitrile gloves while the tool turns and have come down at the same point as you. Cheap and thin nitrile seems to be safe enough to me.
Question.1 what do you do if your milling machine isn't level?.I have this problem so I shimd up the mill between the cabinet it sit on.results r to left ok but front to back still out by 1/32
Question 2 I trammed my lathe usingv123 blocks and the reading are perfect but tramming the the bed it shows 5 thousand different read .
Help
Ken in raphine va
Little machine shop 4190 mill with no rotating head
A U’el log of joy
Yeah I will take the long way then the wife dose not get me to do things 😁🤣
Ah ....just as funny!
Simpson and or AVE didn't make the tap tap tapperoo joke. Its from Happy Gilmore.
You beat me to it.
It may be a widespread thing then? It was how the tap dance instructor was teaching Lisa Simpson and it drove her crazy.
"this would be, what we call making an axis-aligned bounding box"...Is your day job something in CG software? Can you elaborate?
I checked all my protractors, squares, angle indicators etc., none of them use this “wonky” angle scale you speak of. Is their a conversion formula I can use to get a “wonky” angle?