so I'm in my sixties and decided to get a lathe and mill. If I had my days again I would have started there. It's guys like you that allowed me to learn these skills and I'm very grateful. Your skill level is amazing and such a good teacher.
I knew where you were going when you gripped it on tall parallels. You got me unawares when you put the single short parallel in. But it's simplicity is the key to the elegance. I'm telling you, man. You have the ability to make the complex understandable, and simple. WELL DONE!
Having never touched a milling machine or a lathe for that matter, till I bought them, I have learned on my own for several years... ... Then.. Joe P comes along... I think I learn more here then anywhere else... At 66, I enjoy these videos very much... Thanks....
O yes, same here. And just because online teachers like Joe, old Tony, Adam, we dare to do things we never would. Tis is a longtime dream comes true. Professionally I was a printer, my hobby is woodworking, now I'm retired. In the woodworking I did miss machining metal so I purchased a used lathe and milling machine. O boy, what is the learning curve steep. Thanks to TH-cam it now feels ok, I'm confident I'm doing fine. Keep it coming 👏👏👏👏👏 🇧🇪 Belgium🇧🇪
Superb. The ‘universal’ use of a climb cut is terrific - so simple and so effective. I am not a machinist, and my wife thinks I’m crazy to watch these videos. She may be right, but I really enjoy understanding how things are made. Thank you!
That dead blow mallet you used to tap the part looks like a Snap-On with the interchangeable heads. I have one and I love it!!!!! I almost tapped myself in the forehead with it after watching this!!! I can’t believe I didn’t think of this system!!! Wait a minute, yes I can. This is why I subscribed years ago, you are by FAR the best teacher I have ever had!!!!! Thanks Joe!!! You never fail to “unloosen” my mind from the box!!!! Love it. Cheers 🍻 from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 eh? 😆
Joe, you've done it again! Thanks from another Aussie. I don't have any formal training as a machinist, but who needs it when people like you share their insights and experience!
Always learn a lot from your videos. In plant maintenance we rarely require such precision but increasing precision will increase life of parts so this knowledge is very valuable to me and my crew.
you mean i sat through a "that lazy machinist" video only last night pulling my hair out at how long it took him to explain squaring a block and then you drop this today ! that is awesome, i can now forget all that other long winded stuff and store this ! cheers Joe..
I've been machining for over 20 years and I find your videos very interesting. And all of them are right on and some great tricks that I wouldn't have known unless I would have watched your video. I tell new machinists all the time to watch your videos very informative. Great job!!
I don't want this thing off camera for a second. Nobody's gonna be able to complain about nothing! Someone still will find something to complain about. Great information as always. Thanks Joe.
Joe used this technique to machine thousands of plastic parts to square as the axis of the machine defines the squareness and you can not tap down so easy with plastic, simple answer define XYZ without re clamping and totally agree without the climb cut your in the world of burrs! Various machine shops have shown me to dubious mill and vice combinations with cutters I would have junked but you still end up with definitively square finished components and your own square can stay out of harms way locked in your own box. Superb filming and comments passing on gold dust technique.
This so so smart! I'm a beginner at CNC operating (milling), and the senior collegue thaught me wrong all the time (the way you showed ar the start of the video)! I always knew something was wrong the we used to square parts at the start of machining, they usually never were perfectly square and parallel. THANK YOU!
Good on you Joe. I think of all the machinist channels on TH-cam i have had more revelations about the smart way to do things from you than from anyone else. In fact i know that is the case... Great teacher, and great machinist which helps. Thanks for the videos
You're right, "why didn't I think of that." I think you're selling yourself short being happy if this is the only thing we take from your videos as a palm-to-the-forehead foundational technique, but this is definitely one of them. I got more than one pttf ideas: 1) grabbing the material shallow distorts accuracy less, 2) creating the flats & squares right up front, 3) using the one Parallel off the one cut parallel & working from there, 4) reducing burrs by cutting inwards. Last, but not least, "real shops use air." I've been cautioned several times to not use air. I do so, but I've always felt guilty, that using air would force debris into the nooks of my machinery. I've only assuaged my guilt by keeping your videos in the back of my head, knowing you do it. "Time is money," & can't tell you how much money I've wasted on the dumbest of cuts. Watching your videos is like putting money in the bank.
Joe, you're an inspiration. You and a number of others had inspired me to get a little lathe (In my apartment mind you!) And since the start of the pandemic, i've been honing my skills in machining! I've now been saving up for a benchtop milling machine, and I CAN NOT WAIT to get cutting! Cheers.
As soon as I saw you use the tall parallels, I could tell what you were going to do. Like, DUH! BUT it had never occurred to me in what, 40 years! Never too late to learn new tricks.
Joe I've had my lathe now for about 6 years , and I'm the one that is always telling you that I wish I had teachers like you years ago. You make learning very easy to understand and follow. I have just purchased my first milling machine to go along with my lathe and now I'm going back and watching all your milling machines videos on milling. Thanks again for all the information you put out for others to learn by.
Lol I don't know why I've never done this when I saw you set the part in the vise I knew exactly what you were gonna do yet I've never thought to do it that way great tip I will try this this evening 👍👍👍
Hi Joe, did it today old fashioned way and spent heaps of time on it, but tomorrow I will do way you show it! Thanks for tip it helps when all this is bush bashing experience for me. Cheers and thank you!
My copper wire just called the Russian mafia. They do not appreciate such productivity improvements, Soviet style was slower, and better for the labor force. Seriously, Joe you are some treasure chest of tricks!
Hi Joe, I saw this video some time ago and went back to watch it again today as I needed to square up a block of steel for a part. It worked perfectly. I always try to give credit where it is due. I will reference this video in the next video I publish, which will show the squaring up process. Thanks again for this info and all of the other tips you have spent the time making videos for.
Ya got me, Joe! Over 30 years and I've been using wires and BBs all this time. This is a keeper, buddy. Glad you didn't have to unloosen anything this trip.... Woot! Dean
The very same way my uncle showed me when i was a youngster. Im glad someone else besides me does it this way i havent met another machinist that does it this way . geat video Joe
That is truly great. The best way to square a piece of stock I have ever seen. I am going to make a montage of screen shots with notes and hang it next to my mill until I practice it a few times so I will remember it. Bravo!
Not only is this a much faster method, I'm certain the part you squared will be more accurately done than the other methods using wire, balls, squares, etc. It would be interesting if you put this piece on your surface plate so we can see just how parallel the sides are. I've seen other presenters struggle to get a 3 inch square block of aluminum true to within .002". Thanks for sharing your expertise, acquired via years of experience.
id say this is once again a great learning curve. what stood out is the sequence of cutting starting centres and move outward. if one has a mill but dont use it often id guess it helps for beginners and inbetweeners like me.will surely try it thanx. got nothing to loose when trying it
You my friend...are just as if not MORE inspirational to watch than even the professional " motivational speakers" and thats not even the goal of what you teach...! I can say with rock solid absolute certainty that you are as "real" as it gets. The bar stops dead in its tracks with you. Bingo Game Over You Win. Thank You for all that you are. Nuff said.
When the professor speaks, the world leans in, to hear what he has to say. Thank you Joe, for sharing this video, and your HARD-KNOCK'S knowledge. Stay safe. And watch out for the spider's, you get big one's in the shop. Oh, and it's me you hear screaming like a little girl in the back ground, all the WAY FROM THE Pacific Northwest, Seattle area.
As soon as you started in, I knew what you were going to do but had never though to do it that way before. "Palm to the forehead", as you put it. Thank you!
Joe, I've.been watching your channel on and off since when you only had a few subs :) I have yet to watch one of your videos and NOT come away learning something that makes what I do as a hobby better or easier!!! Thank you so much for the time you spend making the vids - I know how hard it can be so keep up the great work mate :)
I had a boss that wanted me to square up 3k parts doing the 1 side at a time method,totally stupid.I wrote a simple cnc program running it the way you described.I did this a few years ago and he thought I was a genius lol.It's really the best way to do it.
Absolutely brilliant Joe! Thank you for sharing these pearls and keeping the haters accountable! 'A Smart person learns from their own mistakes, a Wise person learns from others mistakes."
I finally got out in the shop to try this it worked like a champ one thing I will note is with a lil longer skinnier piece added a second parallel just be sure I didn't have any tilt works awesome though way faster than the old way I will do this from now on thanks Joe much appreciated 👍👍👍
I just started manual milling at my first engineering job and I messed up my dimensions on my part by not squaring the part first, what a dummy haha. I have absolutely no experience in a machine shop so TH-cam is my bestfriend, super excited to try this technique tomorrow on some 6061!! Thanks :D
I've been doing it this way for my whole career. Except I try to finish the profile and only leave facing for the bottom. But it's really fun to watch someone do it the old school way, cut flip,cut flip ..... . And crap it's not square, start over!
I've been self taught and I just ended up doing this way because I didn't know "better". I didn't realize people actually mount the block multiple times. Sounds like a nightmare! The less I have to fiddle with the vise, the more I can trust the machine to keep everything straight.
Nice! "Real machine shops use air"😋. I use air, I now have a "real machine shop"! Thank you again Joe for another practical tip I'll be using every time. Your horizontal saw tips make me think of you each time I use them. The vise jaw top stop has been great for my having to saw 30, 6' .250 drill rods into 5" blanks a few times a year. You are great and yes, I always enjoy.
Joe, just tried this to square up some stock, why on earth didn't you show me this earlier! :-) Really enjoying the videos and your wisdom, keep up the great work. (Craig, Scotland)
The second I saw you set that part on the tall parallels I knew you were going to mill off part of all four sides. No head slap on this one, just a simple wow. Still just as brilliant as tip from 08 14 2020.
Great video Joe, this square up procedure had to have grown out of your CNC experience, and is a drastic concept to old school apprenticed manual machinists [me] that had it drilled into their head to always work from a machined side, then pickup from, locate or the $64 term used by the guru's of today "register" from that side, using indicators, squares, transits, balls wires ext. Many ways to square up on the mill, and this is a great time saving concept.✅
Joe fantastic.. I was so sure after you did the first 5 sides you were going to flip and do the same again. Did I miss something ?.. is it not an accurate way to do it. Yes you would have to be accurate in the vertical amounts you removed . New to this. Such great content. Hope you got out on the bike this year a little 🙏👍👍
I think the problem there would have been getting the dimensions exactly aligned with the first op. Because you're cutting on all sides you can't use a vice stop, and because you're now removing material from the top section of the sides of the part, you can't easily get an edge finder in there.
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I prefer to use the vacuum instead of high pressure air! I find it just as easy, but with the benefit of not tracking chips around my shop! I also found my audio was suffering until I added the Rode microphone, what a difference! Your content is great! Thanks for sharing!
There's a reason I enjoy your sharing of Knowledge From Experience; leave it as that. I keep looking milling efficiencies and error reductions while I learn (thinking keeps it fun) andthis was a level up from what I've come up with on my own. Good call back to the climb-milling/burr reduction, and thanks for keeping in the air blast in while reducing the volume. Nice video Joe; I enjoy the channel.
The problem that arises if it's less than a stellar machine is that you're mirroring the squareness of your mill's ways and the tram of the bit. This will absolutely guarantee opposite faces are dead on parallel. But worn ways will hurt squareness and there's no error correction. The traditional method eliminates errors of orthogonality in the axis of the ways of and being slightly off tram. You are using the ways and the tram of the bit as a master reference. With a good machine, that's perfectly fine because the accuracy will approach that of a master square. Be cautious and check important features on a surface plate.
Dude, yes. I tried this method and my machine is just too worn out for it to work for me. When I went to check square and flatness it was not the same as doing it the traditional way.
This video should be displayed in universities regarding near-net-shape design. The back jaw of the vise and a hard stop can make this as repeatable as you would ever need for a repeatable cast part.
Incredibly useful. I have 3 mills 2 medium WM18 from Warco. And a Denford micro mill. I do lots of milling. Thank you from Reading England. David and Lily.
Hi Joe, I am an old guy that learned to use a lathe and a mill in 1965 in high school. I have worked as a machinist in a variety of jobs over the years. I was a set up man in a large industrial machine shop. I think your tips are awesome and you are incredibly smart for such a young guy. You are probably very close friends with some old guys. I don't understand these people that need to snipe at you for the dumbest reasons. The process you just demonstrated could easily be adapted to any situation whether it would be tool steel or lead. Don't let those disgruntled turds get to you and keep up the good work. Art
I was lucky to always have older experienced machinists who rewarded my curiosity with patience. I learned so much from them. I also saw them let the cocky new engineers who knew everything crash and burn. ( machinist: “Here’s your part “ Punk: “But that’s a bag of chips!?” Machinist: “Hey, you know what you’re doing, I just gave you what you asked for.”) Treat people with respect, value what they have to offer and they will return the favor.
Thanks Joe, I use this method all the time. I calculate my step over and finish the 4 sides while I am already there.Then deck off the back. 2 ops and done.
I’m just a hobbyist, but this is a neat tip. When is started doing things on my mill I believe I did this while experimenting but never tucked it away. I’m am amazed that the community watching the videos would require you to not lose the camera shot for proof you’re not trying to pull something. Wait, never mind. I’m not amazed, not surprised.
I hate to bust your bubble but if you use a planer gauge, a roll pin and a tenth dial indicator, your going to find out that the finished block will indeed be all over the place out of square . I made parts for Kodak Cameras that had to be dead nuts square and to do that we ONLY use fly cutters, not end mills . First off you got to tram in the head of the mill dead nuts all the way around then you go at it the way you first described with a roll pin, and you fly cut each side and check with the planner gauge, indicator & roll pin on each side and from that you know witch side is out . Maybe only .0001out on only 1 side but the indicator will find it and show it and you re cut just that side with the fly cutter just enough to clean it up on just that 1 side.
That's another real valuable lesson! Makes perfect sense. I had noticed on my last mill project the climb mill looked and felt better on the edge cuts. Thx Joe
so I'm in my sixties and decided to get a lathe and mill. If I had my days again I would have started there. It's guys like you that allowed me to learn these skills and I'm very grateful. Your skill level is amazing and such a good teacher.
I started 3 years ago & I’m 63. Tips like these have really made the learning curve less steep🤓
You are the absolute best teacher....I would say you missed your calling....but obviously you are teaching...
Me no less....how do I say thanks.
I knew where you were going when you gripped it on tall parallels. You got me unawares when you put the single short parallel in. But it's simplicity is the key to the elegance. I'm telling you, man. You have the ability to make the complex understandable, and simple. WELL DONE!
Thank you.
Having never touched a milling machine or a lathe for that matter, till I bought them, I have learned on my own for several years...
... Then..
Joe P comes along... I think I learn more here then anywhere else...
At 66, I enjoy these videos very much...
Thanks....
O yes, same here. And just because online teachers like Joe, old Tony, Adam, we dare to do things we never would. Tis is a longtime dream comes true. Professionally I was a printer, my hobby is woodworking, now I'm retired. In the woodworking I did miss machining metal so I purchased a used lathe and milling machine. O boy, what is the learning curve steep. Thanks to TH-cam it now feels ok, I'm confident I'm doing fine.
Keep it coming 👏👏👏👏👏
🇧🇪 Belgium🇧🇪
I've done this technique for 30 years . Thanks for showing people that common sense still works .
Excellent!
Superb. The ‘universal’ use of a climb cut is terrific - so simple and so effective. I am not a machinist, and my wife thinks I’m crazy to watch these videos. She may be right, but I really enjoy understanding how things are made. Thank you!
Make her something awesome and she'll change her mind.
That dead blow mallet you used to tap the part looks like a Snap-On with the interchangeable heads. I have one and I love it!!!!!
I almost tapped myself in the forehead with it after watching this!!! I can’t believe I didn’t think of this system!!! Wait a minute, yes I can. This is why I subscribed years ago, you are by FAR the best teacher I have ever had!!!!!
Thanks Joe!!! You never fail to “unloosen” my mind from the box!!!!
Love it.
Cheers 🍻 from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 eh? 😆
I appreciate the tip. I've been doing it the "old" way for 50 years. I doubt I'll change at this point. Yes it is more efficient without a doubt.
Joe, you've done it again! Thanks from another Aussie. I don't have any formal training as a machinist, but who needs it when people like you share their insights and experience!
I was a toolmaker for 45 yrs before I retired. I never saw this method until now. Wish I had, it does look foolproof. Great Video!!
You must of been bloody useless then.
Glad you enjoyed it
I have a very poor mill called a mill drill and I tried this and had the best results of anything I’ve tried. Thanks for the demonstration and tip.
Great job!
Fantastic! Don't understand why nobody else uses this technique. It's so simple and efficient.
This is how I’ve squared up blocks for 25 years but you are the first I’ve seen do it on TH-cam. You are the man.
Its quick if you have the room for a full profile, but it does give solid reference surfaces.
Always learn a lot from your videos. In plant maintenance we rarely require such precision but increasing precision will increase life of parts so this knowledge is very valuable to me and my crew.
you mean i sat through a "that lazy machinist" video only last night pulling my hair out at how long it took him to explain squaring a block and then you drop this today ! that is awesome, i can now forget all that other long winded stuff and store this ! cheers Joe..
Please don’t ever stop making YTs. Thank you for so willingly openly sharing your genius.
Thank you, I will
I've been machining for over 20 years and I find your videos very interesting. And all of them are right on and some great tricks that I wouldn't have known unless I would have watched your video. I tell new machinists all the time to watch your videos very informative. Great job!!
Thank you very much. I appreciate the support.
I don't want this thing off camera for a second. Nobody's gonna be able to complain about nothing! Someone still will find something to complain about. Great information as always. Thanks Joe.
You never know, some project manager, 'know it all' may find a reason.
Joe used this technique to machine thousands of plastic parts to square as the axis of the machine defines the squareness and you can not tap down so easy with plastic, simple answer define XYZ without re clamping and totally agree without the climb cut your in the world of burrs! Various machine shops have shown me to dubious mill and vice combinations with cutters I would have junked but you still end up with definitively square finished components and your own square can stay out of harms way locked in your own box.
Superb filming and comments passing on gold dust technique.
I am not a machinist, just a hobbyist, but I can appreciate what your are saying. Thanks!
As soon as I saw that haircut I knew this video would be a winner! Thanks for the great tips!
I normally avoid videos with click-bait type titles, but I gave this one a chance because Joe is pretty good and it was worth it. Very nice tip
Joe please write a book on your tips and tricks
I would buy it
I would also buy.
Excellent idea!
Great idea
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This so so smart!
I'm a beginner at CNC operating (milling), and the senior collegue thaught me wrong all the time (the way you showed ar the start of the video)!
I always knew something was wrong the we used to square parts at the start of machining, they usually never were perfectly square and parallel.
THANK YOU!
You have to know how to do it the slow way before you can do it the fast way.
Old school is the best school.
Good on you Joe. I think of all the machinist channels on TH-cam i have had more revelations about the smart way to do things from you than from anyone else. In fact i know that is the case... Great teacher, and great machinist which helps. Thanks for the videos
Awesome, thank you!
I second that.
I agree too... Joe has more gaming changing tips per minute of video than anyone else, and gets to the point faster in the process 😎
This is pure gold. Doubling my Patreon monthly right now. The amount of time saved this equates to, over a lifetime at the mill is worth it.
Thank you.
You're right, "why didn't I think of that." I think you're selling yourself short being happy if this is the only thing we take from your videos as a palm-to-the-forehead foundational technique, but this is definitely one of them. I got more than one pttf ideas: 1) grabbing the material shallow distorts accuracy less, 2) creating the flats & squares right up front, 3) using the one Parallel off the one cut parallel & working from there, 4) reducing burrs by cutting inwards. Last, but not least, "real shops use air." I've been cautioned several times to not use air. I do so, but I've always felt guilty, that using air would force debris into the nooks of my machinery. I've only assuaged my guilt by keeping your videos in the back of my head, knowing you do it. "Time is money," & can't tell you how much money I've wasted on the dumbest of cuts. Watching your videos is like putting money in the bank.
As soon as I saw you run the perimeter I figured out what you were up to. Excellent time saver! Thanks for sharing.
Firm handshakes! thank you Joe for sharing!
You bet!
Love experienced people sharing what they know in a concise yet simple approach. Enjoy your channel for providing not only the “How” but, the “Why”!
Knowing the why, makes the how sink in much deeper.
Joe, you're an inspiration.
You and a number of others had inspired me to get a little lathe (In my apartment mind you!)
And since the start of the pandemic, i've been honing my skills in machining!
I've now been saving up for a benchtop milling machine, and I CAN NOT WAIT to get cutting!
Cheers.
Outstanding. Be safe.
Just like to say as a recently retired Toolroom machinist [manual & CNC] I have a great respect for Joe Pie, excellent video as always!
Thanks 👍
As soon as I saw you use the tall parallels, I could tell what you were going to do. Like, DUH!
BUT it had never occurred to me in what, 40 years! Never too late to learn new tricks.
Joe I've had my lathe now for about 6 years , and I'm the one that is always telling you that I wish I had teachers like you years ago. You make learning very easy to understand and follow. I have just purchased my first milling machine to go along with my lathe and now I'm going back and watching all your milling machines videos on milling. Thanks again for all the information you put out for others to learn by.
Thanks for the comment.
Lol I don't know why I've never done this when I saw you set the part in the vise I knew exactly what you were gonna do yet I've never thought to do it that way great tip I will try this this evening 👍👍👍
Hi Joe, did it today old fashioned way and spent heaps of time on it, but tomorrow I will do way you show it! Thanks for tip it helps when all this is bush bashing experience for me. Cheers and thank you!
My copper wire just called the Russian mafia. They do not appreciate such productivity improvements, Soviet style was slower, and better for the labor force. Seriously, Joe you are some treasure chest of tricks!
There are thousands of machining videos out there and you still upload new methods. This was a good one.
Hi Joe, I saw this video some time ago and went back to watch it again today as I needed to square up a block of steel for a part. It worked perfectly. I always try to give credit where it is due. I will reference this video in the next video I publish, which will show the squaring up process. Thanks again for this info and all of the other tips you have spent the time making videos for.
Glad it helped
Never to old to learn.(I'm 60 y and machinist for 4y)
Keep it comming 👍👍👍👍👍
Ya got me, Joe! Over 30 years and I've been using wires and BBs all this time. This is a keeper, buddy.
Glad you didn't have to unloosen anything this trip.... Woot!
Dean
The very same way my uncle showed me when i was a youngster. Im glad someone else besides me does it this way i havent met another machinist that does it this way . geat video Joe
honestly with most prints calling a chamfer you rarely need to do this.
Old timer taught me that over 40 years ago. Works great and saves a ton of time.
That is truly great. The best way to square a piece of stock I have ever seen. I am going to make a montage of screen shots with notes and hang it next to my mill until I practice it a few times so I will remember it.
Bravo!
Not only is this a much faster method, I'm certain the part you squared will be more accurately done than the other methods using wire, balls, squares, etc. It would be interesting if you put this piece on your surface plate so we can see just how parallel the sides are. I've seen other presenters struggle to get a 3 inch square block of aluminum true to within .002". Thanks for sharing your expertise, acquired via years of experience.
Glad to show them. No point in taking them with me.
Excellent technique to square a "Block"... Thankyou !
id say this is once again a great learning curve. what stood out is the sequence of cutting starting centres and move outward. if one has a mill but dont use it often id guess it helps for beginners and inbetweeners like me.will surely try it thanx. got nothing to loose when trying it
Its always good to have options and understand them.
You my friend...are just as if not MORE inspirational to watch than even the professional " motivational speakers" and thats not even the goal of what you teach...! I can say with rock solid absolute certainty that you are as "real" as it gets. The bar stops dead in its tracks with you. Bingo Game Over You Win. Thank You for all that you are. Nuff said.
Thank you for the compliment. This trade has been my life and my passion. I'm happy to share many things I have learned the hard way.
Hell yeah that's the way it's done. I'm gonna use this whenever applicable.
I bought one of those Scotch Brite deburring wheels you recommended. Yep, life changing. Thanks!
Yup, they are absolutely fantastic.
All your vidéos are encyclopédia for a starter in fine mecanic on machine, thank you so much for all I have learn with you dear professor.👍😉
When the professor speaks, the world leans in, to hear what he has to say. Thank you Joe, for sharing this video, and your HARD-KNOCK'S knowledge. Stay safe. And watch out for the spider's, you get big one's in the shop. Oh, and it's me you hear screaming like a little girl in the back ground, all the WAY FROM THE Pacific Northwest, Seattle area.
I'm a retired machinist and yet I learned a lot from you, thanks
Glad to hear it
your work is incredible, being a retired contractor wanting to learn machine work,you arethe MAN ,keep it up!!!
Thanks 👍
Nice to see someone who actually knows what there talking about, one of about 10% on you tube
As soon as you started in, I knew what you were going to do but had never though to do it that way before. "Palm to the forehead", as you put it. Thank you!
Joe, I've.been watching your channel on and off since when you only had a few subs :) I have yet to watch one of your videos and NOT come away learning something that makes what I do as a hobby better or easier!!! Thank you so much for the time you spend making the vids - I know how hard it can be so keep up the great work mate :)
Thanks for hanging in for so long. Its much appreciated.
Great tip Joe. I'vr never seen truing stock done like this. The light went on when you did just part of the sides after the first facing. So creative.
Dudley Toolwright Same here!
I had a boss that wanted me to square up 3k parts doing the 1 side at a time method,totally stupid.I wrote a simple cnc program running it the way you described.I did this a few years ago and he thought I was a genius lol.It's really the best way to do it.
Absolutely brilliant Joe! Thank you for sharing these pearls and keeping the haters accountable! 'A Smart person learns from their own mistakes, a Wise person learns from others mistakes."
Joe,
I have learned a great deal from your videos. Thanks much for your knowledge and enthusiasm.
Glad to help.
This is stupid smart. It's genius in how simple and obvious it is once you know about it. Thanks for sharing!!
Thanks for the comment.
Excellent technique!! Thanks Joe
Fantastic technique as well as your explanation of it. Who are the 12 giving this a thumbs down???? I sincerely thank you!
I bet I can list a few of them.
great tips like always thanks from all us little guys
I finally got out in the shop to try this it worked like a champ one thing I will note is with a lil longer skinnier piece added a second parallel just be sure I didn't have any tilt works awesome though way faster than the old way I will do this from now on thanks Joe much appreciated 👍👍👍
you clever bastard:) this channel is so underrated!!
I just started manual milling at my first engineering job and I messed up my dimensions on my part by not squaring the part first, what a dummy haha. I have absolutely no experience in a machine shop so TH-cam is my bestfriend, super excited to try this technique tomorrow on some 6061!! Thanks :D
I hope I can earn your subscription. My channel is perfectly suited for guys just like you. Good luck.
I've been doing it this way for my whole career. Except I try to finish the profile and only leave facing for the bottom. But it's really fun to watch someone do it the old school way, cut flip,cut flip ..... . And crap it's not square, start over!
I've been self taught and I just ended up doing this way because I didn't know "better". I didn't realize people actually mount the block multiple times. Sounds like a nightmare! The less I have to fiddle with the vise, the more I can trust the machine to keep everything straight.
Nice! "Real machine shops use air"😋. I use air, I now have a "real machine shop"! Thank you again Joe for another practical tip I'll be using every time. Your horizontal saw tips make me think of you each time I use them. The vise jaw top stop has been great for my having to saw 30, 6' .250 drill rods into 5" blanks a few times a year. You are great and yes, I always enjoy.
Joe, just tried this to square up some stock, why on earth didn't you show me this earlier! :-) Really enjoying the videos and your wisdom, keep up the great work. (Craig, Scotland)
Wow definately cuts the mucking about and just does the job at hand. Thanks joe
Another fantastic demonstration Joe, thanks for sharing buddy! 🤙👌
Hey Ray, Thanks for stopping by. Stay well and well away from the fires.
The second I saw you set that part on the tall parallels I knew you were going to mill off part of all four sides. No head slap on this one, just a simple wow. Still just as brilliant as tip from 08 14 2020.
Thank you Joe! I'll be using this method from now on.
Great video Joe, this square up procedure had to have grown out of your CNC experience, and is a drastic concept to old school apprenticed manual machinists [me] that had it drilled into their head to always work from a machined side, then pickup from, locate or the $64 term used by the guru's of today "register" from that side, using indicators, squares, transits, balls wires ext. Many ways to square up on the mill, and this is a great time saving concept.✅
Believe it or not, I was doing this long before I ever got into CNC. But I do use this technique over there quite often.
Joe fantastic.. I was so sure after you did the first 5 sides you were going to flip and do the same again. Did I miss something ?.. is it not an accurate way to do it. Yes you would have to be accurate in the vertical amounts you removed . New to this. Such great content. Hope you got out on the bike this year a little 🙏👍👍
I think the problem there would have been getting the dimensions exactly aligned with the first op. Because you're cutting on all sides you can't use a vice stop, and because you're now removing material from the top section of the sides of the part, you can't easily get an edge finder in there.
Matthew Green I figured the same.. but I swear this man could cut a hair in two with his bare hands 😂🤣
@@drpipe I'm sure he could, but it's nice seeing techniques the rest of us could use :-)
Matthew Green superb engineer 👍
I am posting this video for the third time now. Do you mean something like this?
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@@trialnterror ha ha ha, good one! The first guess was spot on. HAAS SMM :)
take those manual skills over there and you'll be glad you have that experience.
@@joepie221 Absolutely! CNC is nothing if basic knowledge is absent.
Brilliant technique Joe. Thanks so much for sharing!
I prefer to use the vacuum instead of high pressure air! I find it just as easy, but with the benefit of not tracking chips around my shop!
I also found my audio was suffering until I added the Rode microphone, what a difference! Your content is great! Thanks for sharing!
There's a reason I enjoy your sharing of Knowledge From Experience; leave it as that.
I keep looking milling efficiencies and error reductions while I learn (thinking keeps it fun) andthis was a level up from what I've come up with on my own.
Good call back to the climb-milling/burr reduction, and thanks for keeping in the air blast in while reducing the volume. Nice video Joe; I enjoy the channel.
Don't you guy's just love this guy's ways!! I've watched this one a hundred times Joe,, one of my favorites!
The problem that arises if it's less than a stellar machine is that you're mirroring the squareness of your mill's ways and the tram of the bit. This will absolutely guarantee opposite faces are dead on parallel. But worn ways will hurt squareness and there's no error correction. The traditional method eliminates errors of orthogonality in the axis of the ways of and being slightly off tram. You are using the ways and the tram of the bit as a master reference. With a good machine, that's perfectly fine because the accuracy will approach that of a master square. Be cautious and check important features on a surface plate.
Dude, yes. I tried this method and my machine is just too worn out for it to work for me. When I went to check square and flatness it was not the same as doing it the traditional way.
Been milling for the past year on a Clausing and man I feel good watching your tips and knowing I've been doing pretty good. THANKS ALOT BUD
30 years a mold maker and never saw anybody do this .If I only knew!
This video should be displayed in universities regarding near-net-shape design. The back jaw of the vise and a hard stop can make this as repeatable as you would ever need for a repeatable cast part.
Great new to machinist me and my 15 year old learning alot
Incredibly useful. I have 3 mills 2 medium WM18 from Warco. And a Denford micro mill.
I do lots of milling.
Thank you from Reading England. David and Lily.
Great tips and techniques
Wisdom is more valuable than gold!
Thanks Joe, from the Physics Machine Shop @ University of North Texas.
Thanks for the comment. My youngest daughter graduated from UNT. Great school!
Hi Joe, I am an old guy that learned to use a lathe and a mill in 1965 in high school. I have worked as a machinist in a variety of jobs over the years. I was a set up man in a large industrial machine shop. I think your tips are awesome and you are incredibly smart for such a young guy. You are probably very close friends with some old guys. I don't understand these people that need to snipe at you for the dumbest reasons. The process you just demonstrated could easily be adapted to any situation whether it would be tool steel or lead. Don't let those disgruntled turds get to you and keep up the good work.
Art
I was lucky to always have older experienced machinists who rewarded my curiosity with patience. I learned so much from them.
I also saw them let the cocky new engineers who knew everything crash and burn. ( machinist: “Here’s your part “ Punk: “But that’s a bag of chips!?” Machinist: “Hey, you know what you’re doing, I just gave you what you asked for.”)
Treat people with respect, value what they have to offer and they will return the favor.
Thanks Joe, I use this method all the time. I calculate my step over and finish the 4 sides while I am already there.Then deck off the back. 2 ops and done.
Best method. Nice finishes too.
Great video men, thanks
No problem 👍
I’m just a hobbyist, but this is a neat tip. When is started doing things on my mill I believe I did this while experimenting but never tucked it away. I’m am amazed that the community watching the videos would require you to not lose the camera shot for proof you’re not trying to pull something. Wait, never mind. I’m not amazed, not surprised.
Another video shows the inspection.
Great tip but I would add that this technique is only as good as how well you've trammed your machine's head. Don't forget that critical part!
Yes, but you will get a perfectly square part even if the vise isn't indicated true.
@@joepie221
He didn't say vice, he said the head of the machine, and it is critical
Awesome...I never thought about squaring up a block this way.
Thanks Joe!
Amazing! Its so obvious when you explain it! Now i just need a mill.
I have used the clime cut for 30 years and it has always produced superior results. Thank you Joe.
I hate to bust your bubble but if you use a planer gauge, a roll pin and a tenth dial indicator, your going to find out that the finished block will indeed be all over the place out of square . I made parts for Kodak Cameras that had to be dead nuts square and to do that we ONLY use fly cutters, not end mills . First off you got to tram in the head of the mill dead nuts all the way around then you go at it the way you first described with a roll pin, and you fly cut each side and check with the planner gauge, indicator & roll pin on each side and from that you know witch side is out . Maybe only .0001out on only 1 side but the indicator will find it and show it and you re cut just that side with the fly cutter just enough to clean it up on just that 1 side.
That's another real valuable lesson! Makes perfect sense. I had noticed on my last mill project the climb mill looked and felt better on the edge cuts. Thx Joe