Adoptive Parents KILLED the boys! Orrin and Orsin West (Cinsere and Classic)

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  • @GrizzlyTrueCrime
    @GrizzlyTrueCrime  2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Hi Grizzlies! Please keep comments kind and respectful. We want family members who are watching to feel supported and safe. While BOTH adoptive parents have been arrested for murder and other charges explained in detail in the video, at this stage it is ALLEGED that they are guilty... will keep an eye on the case!

    • @keenacummings2017
      @keenacummings2017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hi I think you did amazing on this whole update .. I been following the case since day 1 .. I don’t get why CPS refused family to take the boys here in upstate N.Y they go for family before a foster home must have to pass a background check / drug test .. I feel if they returned the boys back to the mother after she did all she needed to do to get them back these boys would still be here I’m thinking 🤔 very sad heartbreaking R.I.P .. these boys have touched so many .. I knew from day one the foster parents were lying you could see it 😩😩😩😩😩

    • @brianparks3417
      @brianparks3417 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's so sad that you have to say that to begin with, but some people are just angry and ustable.

    • @keenacummings2017
      @keenacummings2017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@brianparks3417 what did I say wrong ? I never ever comment anything rude

    • @carm787
      @carm787 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@keenacummings2017 I don't think his comment was towards you but the fact that Gisela stated to be kind in statements etc.

    • @brianparks3417
      @brianparks3417 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@keenacummings2017 I was speaking of the people who leave nasty comments about the vicitims.

  • @dena81
    @dena81 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    And 100% when my cat ran out once... I could not sit still. I was out all over, with flyers everything until thankfully a neighbor saw the flyer and found him 3 hours later. Kids don't just disappear like that. It was suspicious from the get go

  • @genevievegreene1595
    @genevievegreene1595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thank you for honoring them by giving them their actual names.

    • @GrizzlyTrueCrime
      @GrizzlyTrueCrime  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ❤❤❤

    • @sarapeterson4604
      @sarapeterson4604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GrizzlyTrueCrime YES..GISELA K 👌♥ YOU'RE SOOO CLASSY..THANKS FROM THE TWO BOYS 🙍‍♂️ 💙🙍‍♂️👍👍

  • @EASTSIDERIDER707
    @EASTSIDERIDER707 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I’ve followed this case through the leading True Crime channels from the first days. You have compiled the best synopsis yet. The side dish of snark is perfectly appropriate as usual.

  • @castafelice
    @castafelice 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hi Gisela, Thanks for the excellent coverage and commentary. The DA is exactly what this case needs in combination with the efforts of LE, FBI and all the witnesses. So sad for the loss of life for Cincere and Classic. Biological parents must be devastated. 🙋‍♂️❤️

  • @francesrice7898
    @francesrice7898 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You presented it very clearly. I suspected them from the start. God bless you.

  • @suzannechance5876
    @suzannechance5876 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Why/how was the adoption completed so quickly? I worked cases where the last resort was terminating parental rights and adoption. Seems this was the first resort here. No reunification case plan, home studies for relative placement? I had a case where the mother threw her 18 month child out of the truck at 60 mph b/c she and husband were arguing. The child survived but was placed back in the care of the father and a reunification plan attempted(court ordered) even as she was incarcerated and then committed for TX. Yep..... placement for adoption sure seems a bit precipitous. These days, perhaps selling babies is the more profitable or cost effective. WTF IS GOING ON THAT WE CANNOT PROTECT OUT WOMEN AND CHILDREN?

    • @rebeccagreen2310
      @rebeccagreen2310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have asked why these boys were given up for adoption so quickly also. There is something that the public isn't being told.

  • @heavenlyclouds1337
    @heavenlyclouds1337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Glad they arrested these parents. I knew they were the ones who murdered those poor boys. So glad they are arrested. Thanks for video.

  • @why2874
    @why2874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for using their real names. Thank you

  • @robmcmullen9192
    @robmcmullen9192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I believe that the mother sounded sincere about what happened with her son. Many times CPS is the problem. They probably jumped to conclusions in this case.

    • @starflower703
      @starflower703 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And since when does CPS refuse to give children to a loving family member?

    • @robmcmullen9192
      @robmcmullen9192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@starflower703 This case and others.

  • @hooligansrcadventures3729
    @hooligansrcadventures3729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I’m so happy that you’ve brought this case back to life. I’ve been following this case since day one and those boys never made it to the house in Cal City. Those boys went missing before they moved IMO. Also no way that those two boys could have gotten far, no one in the neighborhood heard him yelling for those kids. If they didn’t have anything to do with the kids going missing then they should have never moved out of that house.

  • @MistyMeanorB
    @MistyMeanorB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Clearly the wife wasn’t wrapping any gifts for these darling boys! This is so disturbing. Too bad whatever was done to these boys can’t be done to both of them 😡. They’re terrible liars and terrible people.

  • @lisak5804
    @lisak5804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hadn't seen the aunt footage and I'm glad you showed it so I could watch it. She needed to say what she said to them.

  • @CathieG
    @CathieG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Heartbreaking 💔 Thanks for updating us G. Please keep us posted with the details.

  • @kimberlyh4364
    @kimberlyh4364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    It’s terrible when one child is killed, but 2 children at one time! I’m terrified to find out what led up to the killing and terrified to know what they were doing to the other children as well!

    • @andiharp9275
      @andiharp9275 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Sadly, upon reading the official indictment, it refers to the "parents" essentially had threatened n coerced "their" other children (one or more) to participate in the commissions of these crimes which is stated as having taken place from "September 1 through September 30 2020."
      I'm heartbroken 💔 😞

    • @jdr9419
      @jdr9419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@andiharp9275 wow I did not know that. So sad!

    • @MeliChriKoDear
      @MeliChriKoDear 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jdr9419 the DA said the boys were dead 3 months before they were reported dead.

    • @MeliChriKoDear
      @MeliChriKoDear 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andiharp9275 I was always wondering if the other kids were going to be questioned. Are grand jury witnesses concealed or were the other kids listed in the indictment as witnesses???? Those kids were definitely key to solving this case. I hope she flips in on him so they can find those babies. It’s just so sad. I almost hope someone does something to trezell.

    • @teriandjacob
      @teriandjacob 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MeliChriKoDear I've seen that today, unbelievable 😭 after watching the neighbors footage,I was thinking that the boys never moved, now we wait for justice 🙏

  • @maryjarrell5824
    @maryjarrell5824 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You are the only one I watch for True Crime. I didn't even watch anything True Crime till Gabby & Brian!

  • @janeallan3901
    @janeallan3901 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    so glad these pos are gonna pay for their evil cruelty - CPS are liable also and need suing - thanks Griz❣

    • @jerrymarshall2095
      @jerrymarshall2095 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The genetic parents of those boys are to blame in the grand scheme of things.
      Realistically those boys weren't taken from the natural parents for smoking some weed,the mother was blowing a whole lot of unicorn in her self appraisal I assure you there was a lot more to the home life than Martha Stewart let on.
      God only knows what sort of gem the father was.I broke my femur when I was 14 and can tell you it was incredibly painful and apparently that poor child had the fracture for a minute ,and that drew attention from DCS,the Doctor probably called em .

    • @janeallan3901
      @janeallan3901 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jerrymarshall2095 dont think so but thanks for your speculation

  • @vintagepearl7439
    @vintagepearl7439 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for this thoughtful deep dive. 💔💔 You are the only creator to mention their given names. It’s very sad!

  • @teriandjacob
    @teriandjacob 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I truly love your feedback and how you break everything down 🧐 I'm so glad I found your channel (not sure if I said this in the past) I definitely see all the hard work you put into your content,I really appreciate you 💞
    With all that being said, it's a very sad situation, their biological mom was failed by CPS, I don't believe she did anything to hurt her son, plus I've always noticed judges or doctors don't want to hear nothing!!
    Now these innocent beautiful boys and loved ones will get Justice that they deserve 🙏 FINALLY

  • @moonlightstar7786
    @moonlightstar7786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    BEST. NEWS. EVER.

  • @sactownstamper5400
    @sactownstamper5400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’m sooooooo sad for the biological parents!😢

  • @Nikicampbell801
    @Nikicampbell801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    My name used to be “Amber”, I was adopted at age 5 and my parents changed my name to Nicole. It’s definitely been weird for me my entire life trying to understand why, and kind of wondering “who am I really? “ 😅

    • @lauraburger1272
      @lauraburger1272 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I am so sorry this happened to you… I pray you are happy and able to put wrongs in the past and leave them there. You are most precious and wonderfully made. Xoxo

    • @Nikicampbell801
      @Nikicampbell801 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lauraburger1272 that’s very kind of you. Thank you!

  • @melissadenmark424
    @melissadenmark424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    This is so freaking sad! BioMom was trying so hard and what does CPS do? Put them in the hands of killers

    • @jeng8401
      @jeng8401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But yet they handed Harmony Montgomery over to the bio dad and he most likely killed her. It's easy to have 20/20 hindsight. And of course the bio family is going to downplay their negligance in being parents. It's sad but CPS doesn't have a crystal ball on who is going to kill which kid.

    • @melissadenmark424
      @melissadenmark424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jeng8401 this is very true. Makes me wonder about our world and some of the people in it

    • @jeng8401
      @jeng8401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@melissadenmark424 CPS is overwhelmed and underfunded. If they had more resources i think more kids would have a better shot at life. And well living at all.

    • @melissadenmark424
      @melissadenmark424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jeng8401 I totally 💯 I was just blowing off steam I guess lol I'm so angry right now. Thank you for not jumping my case 😉

    • @Aztheplotsickens
      @Aztheplotsickens 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seems like Ryan Dean is more of a real mom than these fake f****!I feel she truly WANTED AND LOVED them.

  • @heavenrains2432
    @heavenrains2432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    R.I.P. Cinsere AND CLASSIC 😭💔✝️✝️✝️

  • @unicornmomma4376
    @unicornmomma4376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video today! Always love to hear your thoughts!
    A lot of things in this case are off. First with the bio mom, I doubt they took the kids bc of a broken leg. Unless there was HARD evidence the children were being abused, they don’t just take kids like that. Also, if the family wasn’t allowed to adopt, there’s something going on behind the scenes with the family. I’ve had to take in children in emergency cps situations. They don’t just foster them out like that, family ALWAYS comes first. The bio mom isn’t telling us the whole truth. The situation has to be REALLY BAD to remove children completely from their bio parents, especially the mother.
    Everyone failed these kids. No one is innocent.

    • @luccamartin8197
      @luccamartin8197 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I totally agree!! Adopted and bio parents both let the down!!

  • @carm787
    @carm787 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    No one would keep me from searching for my children! No way I could just sit in my house. They'r sooo lying. Yes G! You're so right about her swaying during the interview. Nervous energy! There's so much to tear apart about their interview! Can't wait to see their trial! I pray cps is held accountable too

  • @lisak5804
    @lisak5804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My heart goes out to the biological family ❤️

  • @Ms.Andrist
    @Ms.Andrist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These people. Sigh. So horrific.

  • @robertarobinson9076
    @robertarobinson9076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank-you for going into details of this unfortunate case. I have listened to other channels but you make it easier to follow. God bless the boys and yourself.

    • @GrizzlyTrueCrime
      @GrizzlyTrueCrime  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, Roberta. That is very sweet of you! 💗

  • @Dakotawinks
    @Dakotawinks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video. Thank you for the updates!

  • @karebear5349
    @karebear5349 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi G-Bear! it's always so nice to wake up to a video from you! Oh my word, this case! I can't believe these 2 "parents." How in the world were they ever allowed to adopt these 2 little guys? They showed absolutely no emotion except defense. I loved the aunt getting all riled up and confronting them. I'm really sad to learn about the fate of these 2 but am very curious to know exactly what happened...how and where they were found. It's so sad what folks are capable of. I'm glad these two are behind bars. I hope they never get out. Thank you again, for another excellent presentation! Have a great day, Gisela!

  • @andreatalu2169
    @andreatalu2169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Again a sad, sad story. Terrible. I hope justice will hit these parents hard. They looked guilty from the first moment. Thank you Gisela you grabbed very deep. Wow so great information 👏.

  • @Lora_M_NY
    @Lora_M_NY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gisela, I Saw article published 43 mins ago (its 3:30pm in NY) stating they disappeared/ dead 3 months prior to reported missing.

  • @littlepookie7976
    @littlepookie7976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sad.

  • @adriantheising2665
    @adriantheising2665 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for using their real names

  • @cheekyllamacreations
    @cheekyllamacreations 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes!! At last!! Now bring those precious boys home 🙏🏻💔

  • @robmcmullen9192
    @robmcmullen9192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gisela, thank you for the video! You did a great job presenting this case!

  • @itsjustmet1743
    @itsjustmet1743 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love it Gisela, great episode!!!!!!! So horrible!!! A tragedy from CPS / judge ruling to the end of their poor young lives!!!! They should get life without parole. Obvi CPS there are not making good judgements, SMH!

  • @Itsme-jv4cd
    @Itsme-jv4cd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I can't imagine changing a child's name from what they are used to being called. If they don't like their name they can change it when they are old enough . When I get a rescue pet I don't change their name even if I don't like it because moving into a new home with a new person is enough to get used to.

  • @lauraburger1272
    @lauraburger1272 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After the family member shouted out to him that he was irresponsible by leaving open the back gate watch his rapid eye blinking, it’s skyrockets.

  • @PuffStitch
    @PuffStitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looking sharp in the tracksuit! ❤️

  • @elizabethgregory
    @elizabethgregory 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Where are our boys!! 💙💙

  • @timothycontreras8424
    @timothycontreras8424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great work Griz!

  • @slix96
    @slix96 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When my daughter was three we had just moved into our home. I was unpacking things as everybody was asleep…I went in to check on the kids and my daughter was not in her room. I went into her brothers room and then her sisters…not there. I went into our room and she wasn’t there…well , I went on emergency mode. I was yelling for her, my husband and other kids were up looking for her…yelling her name…we went outside since she had a tendency to bring in things from the deck/patio …..I went back into the house still calling her name and then I heard a faint little voice say “ momma, could you be quiet I am trying to sleep” 😳 She had come into our room and was behind the chair wrapped in her blanket. I hugged her and then promptly went and threw up because of all of the adrenaline That coursed through my body. I do not understand these individuals who are so nonchalant about kids just “poof” disappearing.

  • @rochelle5266
    @rochelle5266 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When I hear Ryan Dean explain how much of a good mother she is tells me she wasn't a good parent. These boys were failed by everyone around them.

  • @crysteldaniel-b9974
    @crysteldaniel-b9974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yesss! I have mad respect for you, for calling them by their true names... it sickens me to hear 'the boys' or 'the adopted names' given by two heartless people. This case hurts me to the core. Thanks for the update.

  • @jill6680
    @jill6680 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for the hard work you do, I'm amazed how quickly you put your information together and get it out there to us.
    My friend adopted two boys and changed their names. She took them in at ages 3 and 4 and they had been very abused in their former situation with the biological parents. She ended up adopting them when they were five and six and all of them, including the boys, decided to change their names to better reflect who they were to become and leave the past behind. Of course, they were a little older than these two boys in your video but I do actually think it's fairly common practice.

  • @Terry-lh8cn
    @Terry-lh8cn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This case has several similarities to Summer Wells' disappearance. Parents who can't even pretend to care, terrain not hospitable for the children getting far on their own, siblings who may know something. I hope Summer is found soon.

    • @IDontSuckAtLifeakaJanis3975
      @IDontSuckAtLifeakaJanis3975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      At least it's feasible that Summer Wells could've easily gone missing in *VERY* near, hilly and densely forested area. The immediate area here is fairly flat and barren and the boys would've had a little ways to go to get to a similar area to where little Summer "went missing" from.
      Either way, both cases are so sad. I hope they find the Cinsere and Classic are found if only so their devastated (real) family can give them a proper burial. (I prayed forever they'd be found alive and safe)
      Also still hope and pray Summer will be found safe.

    • @teriandjacob
      @teriandjacob 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IDontSuckAtLifeakaJanis3975 Le thinks summer could have took off by foot if I'm correct!? She wandered off the property, Ronnie said no signs of abduction or foul play 🤔
      I've said from the beginning someone took summer but it's not a stranger IMO
      I just pray that she's found safe 🙏💜

  • @lisak5804
    @lisak5804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for maptime....it helps to see everything.

  • @anonymousperson8739
    @anonymousperson8739 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It’s so terrible. Those poor little babies. What’s even more creepy is how much Trezell reminds me of my ex boyfriend. My ex is a fully functioning sociopath, was so violent & really evil. Him and trezell both have the exact same cold demeanour, no emotion, remorse or anything. I knew from the very beginning that he did something to those boys, I was a little unsure of Jacqueline’s involvement at first. I thought she might have been an abused wife. But now I realise she is just as evil and guilty as him. I pray that they both never see daylight again!!

  • @loralee1484
    @loralee1484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh how I love the snark!
    This is so sad. I feel so bad for the bio parents. I hope they will be able to move forward while going through the grieving process.

  • @sharonedwards3177
    @sharonedwards3177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Here in Indiana, CPS tries to place children with relatives if the parents cannot care for them. Adoptive parents can choose to change their names if they want. There are cases where returning children to their parents is a terrible mistake and in this case, the adoptive parents are evil. I wish people would quit preying on children!

  • @hannakami1874
    @hannakami1874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for sharing and using the two boys real names

  • @judyostrom8972
    @judyostrom8972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really hope that the adoption case worker goes to jail too! I do not understand why they were approved for the adoption, we definitely need more info about their adoption!

  • @pamelahunter2053
    @pamelahunter2053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good reporting on this very sad case! Thank you. You opened my eyes to a lot of considerations.

  • @313WoodworksLLC
    @313WoodworksLLC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your work is excellent and the pace you've been able to maintain HQ productions really speaks volumes. Thank you!

  • @unicornmomma4376
    @unicornmomma4376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great to see you today!

  • @ChristineRoquet
    @ChristineRoquet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did you cover this earlier? I haven't heard about this crime before. I had to stop and google it to even learn what country this was in. How did this couple get to adopt any children? Could they have sold them?

  • @deliajones9541
    @deliajones9541 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so happy they found the killers!

  • @jeng8401
    @jeng8401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It's always a big roll of the dice to prosecute without the bodies. But by process of elimination the step parents where the only ones around at the time of their dissaperance. I hope they have a mountain of circumstantial evidence against them to convict.

  • @diannedocherty3816
    @diannedocherty3816 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Boys are rough and tumble it’s highly plausible the break was an accident ..medical marijuana is no reason to remove children what a complete tragedy…😔✌️❤️🌎

  • @lauraburger1272
    @lauraburger1272 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dear GOD!!!!! Bless their souls.
    So many would have LOVED those two boys and raised them with so much joy with a promise of a great future. Why WHY don’t we check these people out better before fostering or adopting precious innocent children.
    The first terrible RED FLAGGS was that they changed their names!!! What???? That is INSANE!!!

  • @wereonrandom3056
    @wereonrandom3056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It seems like more often than not the parent or parents are involved with the disappearances and deaths of their children when these cases come up. These two were so obvious they had no emotions at all about the boys. I am glad they have been arrested. I feel sorry for the biological family

  • @KateG-WitchyMe
    @KateG-WitchyMe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The body language rings alarm bells. He had his arms crossed across his chest the whole time, and she rocked back and forth self soothing!

  • @traceywinders6921
    @traceywinders6921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a gut feeling from their first interview that they had killed them beautiful little boys. So tragic.They do not have a maternal bone in their bodies. I can only thank god that the other children were removed from these monsters. I hope they rot in hell for what they have done. And who-ever helped them along the way should be held accountable too.I don't care they be old like Jezelle's parents or who ever. Praying they find the bodies so Cinsere and Classic may be laid to rest in peace.

  • @truecrimeparoleproject
    @truecrimeparoleproject 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You rock, G!!

  • @lindajohnson.
    @lindajohnson. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder why they adopted these children. Sounds like they didn’t want them. Great review, terribly sad case.

  • @karenkennedy6331
    @karenkennedy6331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How did they adopt?? It took 2 years even to qualify to adopt in California, homestudies, fingerprint checks, lots of classes, references check.

    • @joemann7971
      @joemann7971 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They had two other adopted children. They probably were already considered "prequalified" I guess. But just seems wrong that these people were given priority over the family.

  • @me7298
    @me7298 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ummm, you realize the gate is open, kids are gone...so yeah run inside and check 🙄

    • @GrizzlyTrueCrime
      @GrizzlyTrueCrime  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Super logical right! Oh my word!

    • @lxrb1160
      @lxrb1160 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly !!!!!!!this dude 🙄 Rest In Peace baby’s 🥺💔💙💙

  • @robmcmullen9192
    @robmcmullen9192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I believe that the kids were never at the house!

  • @debwilson245
    @debwilson245 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Femur bones require great force during sever trauma to break. Who was watching the kids when the biological mom was at work? These people talk in circles. 3 and 4 year old children don't just wander away in the dark in the cold - something is terribly wrong here. I am very glad they were arrested

    • @Itsme-jv4cd
      @Itsme-jv4cd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good point - who was watching the kids when one of them broke their femur. The other thing is they were preemie twins so that can have something to do with their bones being softer. The one boy could have had Metabolic Bone Disease of Prematurity . I'm not sure how premature they were. In the last 3 months of pregnancy is when a large amount of calcium and phosphorus are transferred to the fetus. Also, this is when fetal activity increases thus strengthening their bones. Not to mention that dark skinned people don't absorb vit D, needed for bone development, from the sun as readily. Ricketts still exists. Boys age 2-5 get more than twice the amount of femur fractures that girls sustain. Most at this age are from accidental injuries. Femur fractures under 1 year of age are highly suggestive of abuse.

  • @rubyjustatexasmedium7341
    @rubyjustatexasmedium7341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm praying 🙏 that these 2 say where the boys can be located.

  • @nancycooktaylor6485
    @nancycooktaylor6485 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I knew something wasn't right at the time of the tv interview with them. The way she stood back from her husband. It just didn't ring right with me. He didn't seem that urgent either to find them.

  • @mariamontanaro7535
    @mariamontanaro7535 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a sad sad case anyone who hurts children should be locked up and never see the light of day you can tell from their body language she was swaying side by side nerves very uneasy and him hands holding his chest protecting him self fear neves trying to stay calm just by what they were saying didn’t make sense RIP little ones by the way love your smirky personality you sound like me lol thankyou Gisela great work as always

  • @bellaluna9473
    @bellaluna9473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So tragic . Justice will prevail for these monsters. Rest in peace little angels.👍💔

  • @santelder
    @santelder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I adopted my eldest son as my then husband couldnt have children .We kept the name he was born with .I since married again and had 2 children a boy and a girl of our own. so the 1st child has a brother and sister .He always knew he was adopted i told him everything .sadly he found his mum had died but met his biological Father and step children etc

  • @mamiewallace9437
    @mamiewallace9437 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wonder if the boys were murdered before they moved to California City. If the sole purpose of moving there was to announce the disappearance of the boys. Keeping the authorities in the dark about where to search.

  • @suzy01
    @suzy01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So sad. May these souls RIP 🙏 🕊

  • @DaZugZug
    @DaZugZug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really love snarky snarks. Sad update indeed though..

  • @lauraburger1272
    @lauraburger1272 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I sure wish that the auntie or any other family member would have adopted these two sweet angels instead of complete strangers. Does anyone know why the family member did not adopt them?

  • @nicoleleblanc6995
    @nicoleleblanc6995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    God loves justice!! you can run but you can’t hide…eventually the truth will be revealed! May those beautiful babies RIP🙏🏻

  • @kevinthomas207
    @kevinthomas207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello Grizzly sorry for relping so late
    This is so sad but thank you for bringing awareness of this case nonetheless thank for stream
    Kind regards Kevin

  • @carm787
    @carm787 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh this one makes me sooooo angry! Once again cps drops the ball !!! Causing the death of these two beautiful children. It seems as though they take children away when they shouldn't and don't when they should. When will we realize cps needs a major change! How many children must we lose before this happens!!! Btw G you look so cute today! Love your outfit! Thank you for covering this I was unaware of this case. I pray we somehow make the changes to cps that need to happen

  • @skeet6903
    @skeet6903 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They need to brought home poor babies

  • @cheekyllamacreations
    @cheekyllamacreations 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    No, not too snarky, bring it on, G! 👌🏼👍🏼

  • @Dreamtime-Walker
    @Dreamtime-Walker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I Like How You Cover Crime.❤️👼🏾👼🏾🕯🕯🤲⚖️

  • @loralee1484
    @loralee1484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I adopted my daughter and changed only her last name. She was still an infant and didn’t yet know her name.

  • @erinolsen4927
    @erinolsen4927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent coverage G! 🌟 Why do these people adopt in the 1st place, do they get benefits from the State? The adoptive father spoke of the boys rambunctiousness several times, my guess is he snapped & killed them. 😢

  • @sactownstamper5400
    @sactownstamper5400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I don’t know much about body language but she really started swaying a lot at about 37 minutes as he is telling “ the story “ His voice... shaking. Rambunctious!?? Your commentary on this was spot on!!!

  • @paulettesprague1928
    @paulettesprague1928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank You for the update on this case!! You look awesome in your ball cap n sweatshirt should wear that more often lol. Love from Ohio

  • @bmarie8939
    @bmarie8939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    While volunteers were searching for the boys, the adoptive parents were videotaped/photographed shopping in an adult store.

  • @Itsme-jv4cd
    @Itsme-jv4cd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How old were these precious boys when CPS took them away? It's totally normal for little boys to play rough with each other , push each other down or jump off furniture . One of them could have broken a broken a bone just from being an active kid.

    • @Smurfyis730
      @Smurfyis730 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right! My aunt has 4 boys, very close in age. She has been in the ER with at least 3 boys a few times. We even said we were afraid CPS would step in if they kept having these accidents. My aunts boys play so rough. Even though marijuana is frowned upon, in my humble opinion that’s not a warrant to remove her children. I could see if Ryan Dean was on crack or hard drugs. But my issue is, they handed over 2 more babies to a couple with no jobs, no other income besides fostering children. In a 2 bedroom apartment with air mattress! Like come on. How can CPS think this was a safe space for these 2 babies? My heart is so broken from this case.

    • @Itsme-jv4cd
      @Itsme-jv4cd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Smurfyis730 It is heart breaking. CPS sure didn't check out this family that they handed the kids to very well. The bone break could have been from vit D deficiency which is much more common in darker skinned populations. I wonder if any of the doctors even bothered to do a vitamin D test, which is very easy to do. Rickets is still happening .

  • @sarapeterson4604
    @sarapeterson4604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    GOOD MORNING GISELA K 😁😁👍👍👋👋💯💥💥💥

  • @leemumoianne
    @leemumoianne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The biological mother's statement is so sad, the frustration she must have gone through trying to get authorities to just LISTEN is evident. It's such an unbelievable situation. Her powerlessness is disturbing. Unbelievable that the state has this sort of power. With power should come responsibility to get it right. Two lovely little people never to reach their full potential. I hope those two alleged murderers go away for life. I don't think they ever made it to the house. The neighbour never saw kids in back yard. Never underestimate an observant neighbour. Justice for Cinsere and Classic! Love the Aunty - spot on!

  • @MeliChriKoDear
    @MeliChriKoDear 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Also I wonder if any of those packages she was “wrapping” were for the boys?

  • @jddSton
    @jddSton 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They had been driving in the Winnebago for about 6 months. But I heard once the warrant was issued while on live last night he was attempting to run from police.

  • @melissadenmark424
    @melissadenmark424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I was waiting for you all night while I was at work lol wondering what you were gonna have to say about this. I've missed you and your channel but I had to take a long break. I came across a case that felt like it sucked the soul right out of me. I felt dark

    • @jeng8401
      @jeng8401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it just shows you are a good and kind hearted human. When a case hits that deep.

    • @melissadenmark424
      @melissadenmark424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jeng8401 I've never had that happen before. It was the Bulger case. I cried for an hour and a half. I mean I felt like evil was sitting beside me

    • @GrizzlyTrueCrime
      @GrizzlyTrueCrime  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So glad to have you back!

    • @melissadenmark424
      @melissadenmark424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GrizzlyTrueCrime it's so good to be back! I gotta say your Snark was in top form today Gizzie! That's what I was waiting for!

  • @brianreed8271
    @brianreed8271 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's unbelievable these two were able to adopt those children. I hope the property value in Bakersfield plummets.

  • @heidi1651
    @heidi1651 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So sad. 😔 These adopted parents are centered on themselves. I don’t feel they have a deep connection at all speaking of the boys so surface like. Sad.

  • @shmamycakes
    @shmamycakes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First... lovin' to see the O.G.G.!!! 👏