I’d never thought of that before reading, but damn are you right! Specially when you consider Paranoid, Blizzard of Oz and No More Tears are from 70, 80 and 91🤯
I don’t know if he adapted or if we did. I think he remained his authentic self the whole time. I 100% believe in self improvement so long as you’re still the same person at heart. Look at p!nk. She just keeps getting more successful and she’s never changed for anyone. She’s very inspiring for women any way. I watch a lot of concerts on TH-cam and some of them have almost all male audiences and others almost all female. I like a performance by Metallica and I saw zero females in the audience. I was dangerous for sure. People get so excited they just shove forward. Most bands stop the show to help.
@@kospandx and how did he repay him? By ‘NOT’ paying him royalties and getting in studio musicians to re-record the parts so he wouldn’t have to pay the royalties in the future
Even GNR lost a chunk of their cool factor. Use Your Illusion survived because of their extraordinary large fanbase waiting for a proper Appetite follow-up.
I don't think Nirvana killed Glam metal, I think Dr. Dre did. After the Satanic paranoia faded in the US and the plethora of power ballads from supposedly heavy metal bands, rock was no longer dangerous. Then, in 1992 the LA riots plus the release of danceable Gangsta rap made Hip-Hop both fun for kids and scary for parents. That's the recipe for popular music.
I mean if you’re talking grunge bands that’s kinda tricky since most of the big ones split before the 90s ended. You’ve basically only got Pearl Jam and that bizarre dance pop album from Chris Cornell Edit: I completely forgot that Chris Cornell had Audioslave in the 2000s
90s bands couldn't even survive the 90s lmao. A lot of sophomore albums slumped, bands were dropped by majors as quickly as they'd been signed (see: Local H with Pack up the Cats). The grunge/alternative bubble burst somewhere toward the end of 1996.
When Kurt died, grunge died. It did linger a couple of years later, but post-grunge, nu metal, and pop punk was the next wave for the second half of the decade. Post-grunge carried the self-pity but lacked any soul and was cookie cutter Pearl Jam knockoffs.
1991 and 1992 are two of my favorite music years, mostly in part because both metal and grunge could be successful and co-exist, rather than just having to be alternative rock from 1993 onwards.
My man what the fuck are you talking about, 1990 to 1995 was some of the greatest years in metal. Death metal and black metal ruled, doom metal was getting its laurels, alt metal was a thing.
I do remember that almost everyone had Skid Row's 'Slave To The Grind' CD despite it being the height of grunge back in high school. It was such a heavy hitter it was totally legit.
"It's My Life" is just watering down a mid tempo hair band song as far down to adult contemporary mainstream as possible for $$$. Don't get me wrong; I actually love tons of top 40 pop hits but songs like that are the worst of both worlds and just annoying.... Def Leppard did the same thing after Hysteria in the 90's...
Awesome video. Bon Jovi were the real ones that seamlessly stormed into success in the 90s via the Keep the Faith album. I dont know exactly how it fared in America overall, but in Europe they actually became even bigger than before. MTV Europe rotated the 'Jovi all the time and over here in general, they were side to side with Grunge, and the likes of Guns n Roses in terms of continuous popularity. Im Irish, and remember hard rock like Bon Jovi not getting sidelined by Grunge on MTV here. It was a huge mixed bag of everything.
I don't think grunge was nearly as big a phenomenon in Europe as in the States. Around my parts it felt less like grunge replaced metal than metal simply disappearing just as I got into it for no apparent reason. Apparently they did sell enough records to chart fairly highly, but I have no idea who were buying them.
Actually, Jon himself admitted that Always was their top selling single. Which was what, 93-94? However, while MTV played their songs a lot in the US, Im struggling to recall anything coming out after 96. As, in 2000 when It's My Life came out, I recall thinking it had been a while since Bon Jovi put anything out. Annnnnd you could not ESCAPE that song at all that summer. It was everywhere.
That’s what I said on my last post. They were the biggest band from that scene to survive and become bigger, especially internationally, in terms of album sales and stadium tours. Many of their peers tried to follow, some succeeded, most failed. They stayed culturally relevant for a longer time too, whereas most of their peers faded into nostalgia. For example, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, and poison did a stadium tour together in recent years, but could only do so billed as co-headliners. Bon Jovi have been headlining their own stadium tours globally for over 3 decades. Edit: Sorry if that was a little long. lol
@@AnthonySforzaWho says you can't go home from 2005 and Who says you can't go home from 2016. Is most grunge singers didn't even get to live to see 2016 let alone have a hit. Bon Jovi,Madonna,U2 and Duran Duran are the quadfecta of Gen X artists who stayed relevant the longest.
I was never a fan of Poison but really, they tried changing their sound and direction before Grunge broke big. They seemed to be influenced more by the Black Crowes than Nirvana. So much so that I remember seeing an ad in the early 90's for something called "The Southern Rock Festival" and Poison was the headliner. With Lynyrd Skynyrd playing right before them.
Yes! I have been saying for years that I think Poison would have gone down an Americana route if Grunge had never happened. There was always a bit of country to the sound of their ballads, which I suspect helped ease rock audiences into Garth Brooks, who broke big the same year as Nirvana.
Get this… Bret is from Pennsylvania, but if you hear him talk, he has a straight up southern accent. I’m from SC and he sounds like he could be from right down the road. I always though poison had kind of a blue collar/southern thing going on, in the modern day more than ever.
Honorable mention of strong 90's albums by 80's bands... Dog Eat Dog -- Warrant Dysfunctional -- Dokken Carnival Of Souls -- Kiss Show Business -- Kix 3 -- Firehouse Still Climbing -- Cinderella Waiting For The Punchline -- Extreme Collage -- Ratt Louder Than Hell -- Manowar Crack A Smile -- Poison Hear In The Now Frontier -- Queensryche Still Not Black Enough -- W.A.S.P. Let It Rock -- Great White Za Za -- Bulletboys
@@magicstuff Dog Eat Dog is the best Warrant album if you ask me. A more mature and slightly heavier take on the 80's heavy metal sound, but still respecting the band's roots and not taking the pretentious grunge route.
Once Steve Clark died in early ‘91, Def Leppard was never the same. Adrenalize (which I’m pretty sure is the last 80’s Hair/Glam Metal album to go #1 on the Billboard 200 in 1992) was the finish line for them. I wonder how the 90’s would’ve went for them if he didn’t die and it’s crazy how he didn’t even live to see the grunge takeover, he died while they were still on top.
Yeah I love Adrenalize and see it as pure 80s arena/hair metal in the Hysteria style. Maybe "make love like a man" was the one sorta 90s sounding track. Never thought how their trajectory could have been way different if Steve Clark lived. Maybe their 90s output would have been closer to Euphoria (99), like just a slightly edgier and more modern 80s sound
He was a riff machine and would have been fine if he could have gotten sober who knows? I wonder what Van Halen would have been if Dave never left and got into the 90s
W.A.S.P. deserves an award for their catalogue alone, they tried getting heavier and deeper with their songs back in 1989, then did a concept album, then a queen inspired album, and finally of all the bands trying to fit in with grunge, wasp took the industrial metal route and made some of the darkest music at the time. All of this during the 90s which basically made fun of people like him.
Though the 90s had some great music, I never thought Grunge was a part of the great. To me, Grunge sucked. It was depressing and boring. Give me the hard rock bands of the 80s any day, including the hair bands.
I hate how a lot of videos separate by decades. When they all pretty much coexisted with each other. I was there those years. They all overlapped decades, Glam/hair rock you had it started in the '70s, rolled over into the '80s and '90s. Popular ALL 3 decades. Just that popularity wavered off during the mid '90s. Mainstream kind of rock. Hard rock blues based. "Grunge" , a silly term pushed by the national media, was/is basically garage rock, punk rock with heavier distorted guitars and slower tempo. Also existed already , late '70s, '80s as underground music in certain scenes, played just on college radio, independent/alternative radio stations and late night videos on MTV. Harder to see and hear these kind of bands. The alt rock explosion during the late '80s and early '90s helped propel bands like these into mainstream. So, alt/indie rock which was mainly underground during the '70s and '80s, exploded into mainstream during the '90s , '00s. Overlap. Lot of good alt rock. The ones that were labeled grunge tends to be more whiney, emo, depressing. Gets boring after awhile. But, you also had more upbeat , energetic rock like punk, ska, etc and multiple punk subgenres. And Metal. Nu metal, rap metal, multiple metal subgenres, etc. All also coexisted back then overlapping decades and recent years. And also other good fun genres coming out back then multiple decades, rap, funk, R&B, etc.
Skid Row Subhuman Race was a solid album. Skid Row was more of a metal band than most of the other bands that were their contemporaries. Which is surprising since they were late to the scene. But they also fell victim to the rocker followed by ballad formula. And frankly, they did the ballad as good, if not better, than the rest. The power ballad definitely had an element of cheese. But Skid Row seemed to do it with less cheese than the others.
I am a massive 80s hard rock fan, and even I am in doubt whether Bon Jovi became even better in the 90s. I love me a good ballad, and Bed of Roses, Always, This Ain't a Love Song are just gold. I even enjoy their 2000s stuff a lot. They truly trascended time.
They matured musically and lyrically better than most of their peers. That’s why they’re still on top and stayed culturally relevant for a longer period of time.
As a Boyband connesieur/historian, I often compare the late 90s/early 00s boyband craze to that of the 80s/ really early 90s hair mania. The parallels are really uncanny.
there was also landfill amounts of boy bands in the 00's in the UK until One Direction decimated them and the girl groups simultaneously. There's definitely a comparison there. Also indie acts before the Arctic Monkeys ended all that with their debut. Both the boy bands and indie landfill occupy a nostalgia place and only play their hits whenever they tour just like the 80's hair metal bands.
Comparing hair bands to boy bands is kinda vague. Because hair bands actually had talent and made somewhat quality music. A more accurate comparison would be comparing boy bands to pop punk and emo bands. Both styles of music are extremely overrated teenybopper crap. The parallels are uncanny.
@carpenoctem775 well the comparison has more to do with the meteoric rise and fall and in the height, the manufacturing of it all. Emo/pop punk had a gradual rise, stuck around for quite a while and even inspired what music would sound like roughly around the late 00s.
I'm gonna be honest, 80s rock/metal bands transitioning into the 90s is probably my favorite genre of music. There is just something unendingly interesting about listening to the sounds of someone who was riding the waves like a master trying to adjust to changing tides. I stand by Keep the Faith and These Days being overall better albums than New Jersey and Slippery, even if there are a couple singles out of the 80s albums that I prefer over the majority of both albums (namely Wanted and Lay Your Hands on Me, but they still don't match the best songs on the 90s albums imo).
Skid Row broke out of the glam phase with Slave to the Grind - I mean that one was Super Heavy . Much Heavier and more Metallic than their self titled first one
i always wondered how that transition happened. i feel like everyone associates that big, long hair with the 80s. and then it just immediately disappeared in the 90s. trends are weird
Everyone says rock changed in 91-92 when Nevermind hit, and it did, ... but if you were paying attention hair metal was in its last throes in 89-90. Mainstream rock stations were still playing Crue, Poison & Ratt but every city had an alternative station that was playing NIN Pretty Hate Machine, Janes Addiction, the Cure Disintegration , etc. I remember hearing The Mountain Song in a bar and going 'omg wtf is this', and bought Nothings Shocking in 89 ... Gish came out 6 months before Nevermind but only college rock stations played SP... The music industry got smart , everyone was begging for a big change 🎶🎸
Whilst it isn't mentioned here, it should be added that Vince Neil released what is arguably the best album to spring out of the Mötley Crüe family tree right in the middle of grunge, viz., his first solo album, Exposed. It is musically a far richer album than anything he had tried before, and the material is thoroughly strong (half of it was written to be a follow-up to Ozzy's The Ultimate Sin). It did decently well, but really deserves to be heard by more. It also makes absolutely no concessions to grunge.
@@firesideshats That may have had some effect, but Vince's name and the strength of the album itself should have been enough to draw many listeners in by themselves, even in 1993.
These hair metal bands were in a weird bind. It was too soon for 80s nostalgia and they didnt fit in with a more serious sound. Meanwhile all those punk and alternative bands that were ignored in the 80s suddenly had a new following.
@@gx1tar1erThats a preference and a preference that isn’t the general consensus at that. Most of the public would disagree with you, but you are entitled to your own opinion. It’s just an opinion, and it’s not objective especially since most of the public would tend to disagree with you. When people thinks 80s rock, they think glam and hair metal. Alternative/Indie is 90s/modern aged rock
I've got a suggestion for a video: how about '70s hard rock bands adapting to the '80s. For starters, there's Aerosmith - originally their songs were heavy and gritty, but by the '80s they completely got onboard with power ballads written by Desmond Child, just in time for the MTV era. AC/DC with Bon Scott were also very gritty, rough, and blues-inspired - but in the '80s with Brian Johnson on lead, they were a total arena rock band. I'd also include Heart with their heavier stuff like "Barracuda" vs. their power ballads like "Alone" - and of course we can't forget KISS without their makeup.
Uncle Tom's Cabin is my jam off of that album. For those slow ballady songs, I am often not in the mood for the slowness of them, they just make me feel sad. But Uncle Tom's Cabin has so much electric energy, it gives me goosebumps. I love the music video for that song too.
The bitter pill. Thin Disguise. I saw Red. Letter to a friend. Stronger Now. All my bridges are burning. Blind Faith. Jani was a great song writer. Very honest sounding voice aswell. Miss that guy
Totally agree but sadly people think of the Cherry Pie song when they think of Warrant and Jani Lane hated that song but of course the greedy music executives begged for a big sound cheesy instant hit and there it was but yes Jani Lane was a great singer/ songwriter
Bon Jovi's These Days is probably their best album. Kind of gritty, adult contemporary, very introspective and sometimes even reflecting of internal conflicts, their musicianship peaked there. Richie's bluesy style ruled all over the album, I think it features some of the heaviest plays by Tico. And what about the production qualities?, I mean, listen closely to the classical parts in This Ain't A Love Song. That song is amazing. It's a shame the album didn't sell as well, which prompted them to a more popy sound in Crush, which has been a defining album for their style in the last quarter of a century.
The 90s weren’t grungy. It just so happens. Grunge was the most main stream so everybody who wasn’t even born, yet has distorted reality that the entire era was pure grunge. The 90s were super eclectic and bizarre. You had bands like Jane’s Addiction and Primus that were like super far out there and you had crazy comedy bands like B-52’s or Primus again. Then you had alternative hip-hop, like Digable, planets and tribe, all the way to things like Swedish retro euro pop like the cardigans and even far out bands like the Squirrel Nut Zippers playing 1920s hot jazz going main stream. Then you had hard-core punk and Pop punk like Green Day and NOFX. You had the beastie boys doing crazy hip-hop, and then then you had British Pop like blur and oasis and 1 million other mellow dancy bands like happy Mondays and then you had stuff like Ned’s atomic dustbin and back. It was like every genre and everything. It was just fun and cool worked. The 90s were all about alternatives, and every alternative could go main stream in a heartbeat.
Cinderella & Great White are two bands that put music out in the grunge era 90s… they didn’t cave and just did what they always did which is hard rock infused w blues. That’s what sold millions of records in the 80s and early 90s and they didn’t waver just because it wasn’t “in” anymore. Two of the best bands ever in my opinion.
Some of my favorite albuims by these "hair bands" came out of the 90's Motley made two great albums Warrant delivered Ultraphobic & I loved that. Skid Row's Subhuman Race is killer. Even Dokken got back together, Dysfunctuional isn't my favorite Dokken album but it was refreshing to hear in 1995. Def Leppard's Slang is really good as is Bon Jovi's These Days. I just wish these albums received some airplay so the masses heard them.
Great video. It always bugged me how the 80s guys tried to save themselves when the new thing hit. It's not like OG car manufacturers moving to electric cars or businesses moving to online shops or whatever, it's the guys admitting they were never the cool transgressors that don't care about anything they tried to show they were, their personalities were just a product of their management/marketing team lol.
i have to say i never saw Skid row as a "Hair Metal band" they were always very heavy but i guess the ballads made them be thrown into the Glam Metal side.
Poison/Richie Kotzen's Until You Suffer Some (Fire and Ice) is a great freaking song. Native Tongue is a criminally underrated and underappreciated album.
"Grunge" (specifically talking about seattle bands) by itself was short-lived, from 1991 to roughly 1993 (the chicago bull years), it quickly got absorbed into the greater Alt bubble
Great Video! I grew up in the 80s with all those Hair Metal Bands (Or during that time was just Rock Bands) and by the time the 90s came around I had completely forgotten about them at that point. So many great bands to emerge from the 90s; who had time for the bands anymore. Thank you again for posting.....
Jackyl are a great band. They formed in 1991 so they technically aren't an 80s band but they played some killer southern tinged hard rock. Jackyl's first 2 albums are definitely worth checking out. Headed For Destruction is a badass tune. There's a great version of it from Woodstock 94. Also don't forget Guns N Roses. The Use Your Illusion albums were a massive success and their tour with Metallica in 1992 was selling out stadiums.
Genius video man. Very rarely touched topic, people always talk about how grunge killed hair bands but none talked about what happened to most of the hair bands trying to survive the 90s.
Dude, I was lucky enough to see the Crue with Warrant in February of 92. I was only 14 and Dr Feelgood had come out a couple years prior and I was absolutely in love with the whole album. They had the dopest laser light hologram of the crazy doctor from the cd/cassette inserts Introducing them. The kicker is my parents fuckin took us to the show(literally watching the entirety of both bands)which we got tickets from them for xmas. It was insane.
Ultimately, for my money, the 80s rock bands' music has aged better than 90s grunge. When you've had a beer or two and are having fun, do you want to hear Motley Crue or do you want to feel bad for yourself and listen to Pearl Jam?
I think Bon Jovi is the only band that made the right decision on how to evolve. As all those other bands tried to stay cool and relevant with metal kids, (which is like when your dad tries to be cool), Bon Jovi targeted middle aged moms. They were the only band smart enough to realize that they weren't going to be accepted by the new generation of music lovers and their best course is to stick with their aging fan base and just write music they'll like.
How interesting that all through the 90's a lot of these bands were mocked for having no staying power, and here we are almost 30 years later and many of them are still filling up stadiums because people can't get enough of that nostalgia from their 80's heyday. I don't think too many grunge bands are out there packing 40,000+ seat stadiums like we saw last summer with the Motley/Leppard/Poison tour. Of course Bon Jovi still packs 'em in too. It's funny how things work out over the long term.
It also doesnt help that music today objectively sucks, en masse. So people began looking backward. What's really cool, is that obscure bands or the late 80s/Early 90s, like Roxy Blue, Wildside, Vain, Britney Foxx, etc etc, who never got the time of day, are actually having their own moments in the sun, finally. Where Bobby Blotzer was talking about Ratt's catalog being "En fuego" as he put it, where it took ten years for Detonator to go gold, then just hovered there, but then after the insurance commercial, took less than two years to go from just over gold, to platinum.
@@Beeraltar grunge and nostalgia dont mix very well. it would be kinda of odd seing a 48 yr old wearing a zero t shirt and talking about how much he hates his parents 🤣
The Native Tongue record is actually pretty damn incredible: Stay Alive Stand Until You Suffer Some Strike Up The Band Theatre Of My Soul Ain’t That The Truth 7 Days Over You Also, the Motely Crue self titles isn’t all that great, but the things that are good are as good as anything Crue ever did: Hooligan’s Holiday Misunderstood Uncle Jack Welcome To The Numb Loveshine
Honestly, I think I like today's heavier Winger way more than their prime. One of my favorite bands actually. They made so many cool songs after they went heavy, even their hard rock got better. Kip and Reb Beach are so good.
People forget 1992 and early 93 still a lot of hair metal and power ballads, it didn't just fade away the instant "Teen spirit" was released. Winger and Warrant had surprisingly heavy albums in 1993 too. I don't see them as grunge (though they were more in league with that style), just gritty hard rock. Vince Neil exposed is freaking awesome too, another 93 album that would have been huge if it was 87-91
Ironically, he doesn't mention the grunge songs from Bon Jovi's These Days album, such as - Hey God - or - My guitar lies bleeding in my arms. unbelievable
I agree 1000 percent with you. As a guitarist I love and have researched a lot of the guitar legends such as EVH, Brian May and so on. I feel like Ritchie was one of the most UNDERRATED guitarists of all time. You’re never gonna see him on a top 10 list and I feel like a big part of that is because Richies best playing (in my opinion) was on their more 90s albums. The man was a blues guy, and you can really see him embracing that on the These days album specifically. Me and a friend of mine whose also a guitarist talk about the album all the time and we both feel that it just came out at a time when eyes were not directed towards Bon Jovi. Also I feel like it’s one of those albums where his playing was well placed and blended on most of the songs. So his playing was not as noticeable to people who don’t have an ear for music and have a hard time distinguishing and picking out each individual instrument. Then let’s not even get started on Jon’s voice (the perfect blend of rasp, toughness and sweetness).With all this being said I’m with you! It’s a true masterpiece! I could talk about this album all day, so imma end with this… These days (masterpiece of a album), Dry County from Keep the faith album… Phenomenal guitar solo!!!! Or solos if you wanna take into account that he starts with a bluesy solo that he could have ended on but instead chooses to ride into another more classic Bon Jovi shredder solo! 🤯
Correction: Mutt Lange wasn't necessary too busy producing Bryan Adams and Shania Twain albums, he was too busy boinking Shania Twain!!! And hell, no sane guy could ever blame him for one minute!!!
Never ever thought I'd hear Warrant and King's X compared in the same sentence, but now I hear it. I had a friend take me to a Def Leppard show in 2003 or so. Packed house and they gave the audience exactly what they wanted. I'd say they weathered the 90s fairly well.
Worth mentioning though that these 80s bands may have done weird stuff to fit in in the 90s, but almost all of them are still filling stadiums today. How many 90s bands can you say that about? In fact, apart from Pearl Jam, what 90s bands are still going?
Smashing Pumpkins still puts out albums and tours. Alice in chains doing fine with new singer for past 15 years. Soundgarden reunited in late 2000s, recorded album and toured until Chris Cornell suicide just after their gig in 2017. Stone Temple Pilots also reunited with original singer Scott Weiland in late 2000s but fired him again in 2013 and in 2015 he died from overdose. They are still exist but not as successful
most of the bands associated with grunge are no more or went through a hiatus that virtually ended their story as we know, but emerged as something different, not so hungry. I don't blame the bands really. None of the ones that became active again played nostalgia angle unlike KISS or 80's bands. - Nirvana: Obviously done with Kurt's suicide. We got Foo Fighters out of it though, which is undoubtably one of the biggest arena band. - Alice in Chains: Long hiatus after their frontman Layne, came back years later with high quality albums, but didn't really attempt to grow their audience. - Soundgarden: Disbanded before even 90;s were over. Chris Cornell came back with a successful solo album and went on to form Audioslave, which was a massive success and arena band. Soundgarden reformed in 2012 but again, they didn't really attempt to grow their audience or make nostalgia tours. - Stone Temple Pilots: Similar to Alice in Chains really, frontman dies, new frontman comes, they don't really play nostalgia angle. But the new frontman dies as well. cursed band really. - Smashing Pumpkins: Musically most flexible of these bands, but they couldn't retain the quality songwriting with new songs. Many lineup changes, inconsistent band overall.
the one band who was very interesting is Firehouse, as in 1994 they had that hit "I Live My Life For You", and it charted high, waaaaay past hair metal's prime days. It was able to enter that adult contemporary vein just like Bon Jovi and the Goo Goo Dolls
It's a cycle, happens to the best of us. Blues, Disco, Metal, Gangsta Rap, etc. One day you are the god of cool, tomorrow you are a joke and have to rely on your second career choice to pay the bills.
Then one day if you wait long enough a new generation discovers you and no one listens to the previous generation bitch about how it sucks because they got old so who cares and the retro sounds refreshing compared to anything new that is pumped out.
I was a teen all through the 80s and when the 90s came I was disillusioned by my favorite bands chasing new sounds. Now that I'm 50, I find I listen to the 90s output pretty frequently. It has just enough maturity in it (especially Def Leppard's Slang and Winger's Pull) to hold my interest with my much broader musical tastes now.
Great video!! I just happened to stumble upon it but have immediately subscribed. As a lover of 80s hard rock, and owner of most of these albums too, I reckon you’ve given a very fair assessment. Great work all round and I’m looking forward to the second part of this! Keep up the great work!
3:00 Grudgey adaption, skid row. 80s rock purest hate it. 5:15 Poison same thing. 6:30, Another trying to be relevant, falsely. 9:02 pathetic sound.11:00 gawd ... wow glad I stop listening to these bans in 1991. Hope Def doesn't' play any of these albums in the 1990s at concerts.... awesome critique.
Def Leppard’s Slang album contained a lot of emotion. It’s like it was meant to happen - and it’s a masterpiece. Work It Out is one of the best songs they ever produced. 🤘
I remember reading a magazine and in an article the writer said, "in 1991 Nirvana released their debut LP Nevermind and hair metal melted overnight." I thought that just about summed it up.
It’s funny. I listened to Hysteria on repeat. 1 of my fav albums but my now fav Def Lep song is AlI want is Everything. Great trip down memory lane from high school to working years for me.
A few hair metal/glam rock bands thrived in the 90s. Showing us that quality will win over any trend in genres. *Aerosmith* - They released GET A GRIP and NINE LIVES, both albums sold great, appeared in movies and television all the time, touring the world and more or less owned the hard rock scene in the early/mid 90s, even though their music still was very much 80s power rock. *RHCP* - They made a very stripped down album in 91 (Blood Sugar Sex Magik) which can`t really be called 80s rock, but in the 80s, they were very much a 80s type of funky rock band. After the Blood Sugar Sex Magik album, they went more or less back to their 80s style on ONE HOT MINUTE (95) and CALIFORNICATION (99). *KISS* - They released REVENGE in 1991, in the middle of the grunge mania and actually pulled it off. The music was typical KISS with a more heavy mix. Very much 80s style also the way they looked. The album waas a huge success until they did the reunion. *EXTREME* - Basic hair metal band, releaseing two great albums PORNOGRAFITTI (90) and III SIDES TO EVERY STORY (92) that sold millions, having radio hits, music videos on MTV and toured the world like there was no such thing as grunge in their way. *FAITH NO MORE* - Although they are more alternative metal than a hair band, FNM was indeed a hair metal funk band like RHCP in the 80s and a bit into the 90s. They released ANGEL DUST (92) and KING FOR A DAY.. (95). Far away from anything grungy and the 90s was in fact their best decade. .. there`s more but these are some bands that "should have" been buried in the 80s hair metal dumpster, but survived because they released great music.
Aerosmith gets a pass because they weren't part of the scene---they INVENTED the scene! And there were few others like them in the 1970s---which means that pioneers like them, KISS, and Van Halen are able to transcend generations
Now, this is a cool subject. I have to say Poison and Skid Row did a good job transitioning into the 90s. Where as someone like David Coverdale and the Whitesnake camp just said fuck it all together disbanded and threw in the towel. Didn’t even attempt. Which was really smart. Honestly. Dave came back with Coverdale/Page. Which was Killer.. Queensryche also did good transitioning from the 80’s to 90’s
Queensrÿche's Promised Land was strangely awesome, kind of defiant and acknowledging at the same time. I never had that Coverdale/Page record that's one I should check out all these years later!
@@MadSciRexieFi It’s very bluesy and groovy to say the least. Hell, Jimmy Page is playing guitar on it, so you already know. Yes, that Promised Land is killer.
To be fair to Dave, he folded Whitesnake before grunge blew up bigtime, so I don't think there is a casual link there. What IS true is that a lot of the big glam acts were MIA as grunge made it big, which probably facilitated grunge taking their place.
@@kospandx I must say your right about David Coverdale’s decision to disband Whitesnake in 90. It was shortly after Monsters of Rock. I don’t think Nirvana had dropped yet. David definitely had foresight. Cause he went back to the blues with Coverdale/Page. He knew the glam era was done.
The "cowboy flair" with which Bon Jovi is credited was actually started in 1984 when Ratt released "Wanted Man." Bon Jovi's "Wanted: Dead or Alive" was released in 1987, but being the quintessential "hair band," Bon Jovi got the credit.
KISS had an interesting entry to the grunge genre but reunited mid-production and it just got absolutely steamrolled by the reunion. Definitely a valiant attempt. Some great tunes. I don't know if it ever would have been a commercial success, but on music alone, I really dig the album.
Not to mention "Revenge" was their best album in over a decade, in my opinion. Cool seeing Ace and Peter back in the band, but considering what happened after, the reunion cursed the band.
I didn`t even bother to listen to the album back then bc everyone said it was just KISS doing grunge. Under the pandemic I dug into a lot of music I ignored for stupid reasons in my 20s (I was 20 in 1990) and CARNIVAL OF SOUL is actually not a bad album and has some really good and some really interesting songs on it. Probably because they TRIED to make a grunge album but failed on the grunge style, but it became almost a new genre of it`s own. Like a hybrid of alternative metal and glam metal. They should have gone back to this after 5-6 years on the reunion thing. Being a KISS fan today is almost as embarrassing as in the 80s.
Carnival of Souls was meant to be released in 1994 but named "Head". The record got rejected by Mercury and later reworked in late 1995 as a Plan B if the reunion didn't came to fruition.
Ultraphobic by Warrant is an awesome album in my opinion. Also, I think you summed up Bon Jovi wrong they just went down the classic rock road. These Days is an awesome album as was Keep The Faith. Def Leppards Slang is also a fine album.
I love all the hair metal bands. But so do I love Nirvana and Alice In Chains. And Guns n Roses was and still is my favorite band with the Misfits. I love punk. Fuck man I love outlaw country. I love all music! Hip hop too. It's the best way to be. I got to give the narrator credit for what he said about the mullet becoming self-aware on the bon Jovi part. I was almost going to wreck the guy but he actually did a good job. His words were well chosen and he was right with about every band he talked about
It all makes sense when you figure “hair to grunge” was an ‘implementation’ rather than an organic musical progression. Otherwise, no reason music of all genres couldn’t coexist simultaneously, just like in the 80’s
Crüe 94 was TOTALLY AMAZING. Generation Swine had 1 or 2 listenable songs. Skid Row 95 SOOOOO heavy and good! Gonna listen to it today!!! Poison 93 failed, sadly. Saw Warrant 3x during this era… KINGS X YES!!! (Nice reference) Poor Jani, though. Bon Jovi heavy hair fail! Leppard’s Slang… Failed. Much better video than I expected. Great job!
The aim of 80s glam rock was to have fun - they were not trying to look cool. Having said that it was still better than wearing flannel shirts and singing about getting raped by your stepdad.
Listen to Motley Crue 94 today and it’s a pretty good album, it was ahead of its time and some one could probably argue it’s their best creative and performance wise, the drums and guitars are somehow even bigger than on Feelgood . If that album came out around the year 2000 and it wasn’t known that it was Motley it would’ve fit in with rock radio perfectly from 2000-2010 , it’s kinda a proto Nickelback lol I love the first two Skid Row albums and everyone says Subhuman Race is good but I can’t get into it. I’ll be the first to admit I really didn’t take them seriously until I saw them in The Vulgar Video, Skip Rope ha ha and Dime and Vinny loved Nickelback too Richie Kotzen is one of the baddest guitarists to walk the earth. The craziest thing in all of this is all of these glam guys who celebrated the excess of rock n roll are still alive raking in cash touring on nostalgia and people coming back to music that’s just fun. The saddest part is a lot of our grunge heroes are dead, the “big four” of grunge only has one front man still standing, RIP , Layne, Kurt, and Chris. Hard to believe Cherry Pie is on the same album as Uncle Tom’s Cabin not hard to believe the record company chose Cherry Pie over Uncle Tom’s Cabin and a year later were really pushing AIC, instead of Warrant
Well, I have to say that I was in high school when "grunge" broke. However, I started listening to bands like Mother Love Bone, Jane's Addiction, AIC, and Soundgarden while I also listened to the bands from the 80s. Bands like Skid Row, GnR, Metallica, Ozzy and Danzig to name a few at the same time to me gave those "grunge" bands a run for their money. Let's also not forget that a lot of those 80s hard rock bands had a resurgence by the late 90s into the early 00s. I never saw a resurgence for the "grunge bands.
The inventors stayed though, just went back underground, the pixies, belly, the breeders, throwing muses still going, mother love one probably would to if dude wasn’t dead. Sound garden and Pearl Jam played neoclassical rock imo , gnr was grunge before grunge. When I think of hair bands I think of the industry produced stuff like motley crew and poison and all the bands that were like that. I don’t think of Ozzie who was metal before there was such a thing.
I think there has never been a resurgence because there was never a backlash. The nineties is the first post-war decade that was not really criticised after the fact, so a revaluation of them has never really been relevant.
Interesting note on that latter band: Bassist Tim Skold of Shotgun Messiah went the industrial route after SM broke up. He toured as a solo artist and was also a member of KMFDM and Marilyn Manson. I like his industrial sound a lot more than anything from Shotgun Messiah.
That's pretty fucking laughable. Nevermind and Ten sold 10 and 13 million a piece and are considered all-time classics today. What is the legacy of these hair-bands beyond being a punchline?
@@daveidmarx8296 Well, Guns N' Roses and the Crue/Def Leppard tours surely have to be some of the most profitable live music circuses these days? Speaking of GNR, I don't think Nevermind has yet managed to outsell Appetite for Destruction, in spite of the former having been pimped more than any other record by music journalists for three solid decades by now.
All forms of music that get popular grows its fairweather fan base. Pop culture works like that. So the metalheads that liked metal cause it was "cool" in the mid- late 80's stopped supporting the bands. It's their fault, not Nirvana's. Also there was a lot of bad metal ballads being forced down our throats at the time. Most of the 90s records by " hair" bands was bands selling out and trying to jump on a bandwagon they were not ready for. The true bands just kept their sound for the most part and kept rocking from their hearts.
1993 Pull by Winger is the odd case when they did their best album ever in between the grunge wave. Cockroach by Danger Danger despite being released in 2001 is another great example, since it was meant to be released in 1993 but Ted Poley being fired and then suing the band prevented them to release the album back then..
Religious Fix by Tuff from 1995 too, after being the final hair metal band who achieved a smash MTV hit with I Hate Kissing You Goodbye just weeks before Smells Like Teen Spirit changed it all, their second album already suffered the sign of the times effect on their sound.
One band you missed that I think actually did the best transition was Winger. You know, that band that Metallica and Beavis and Butthead made it cool to hate on? The thing is, Winger had hidden depths, some people saw it but a lot didn't and the thing is, Grunge was the best thing that could have happened to Winger in terms of their music, if not their popularity. Their response to Grunge was to throw together a darker, heavier, more progressive leaning album in "Pull" which is a LOT better than their two 80s albums. It's my favourite of the "post grunge 80s" albums. They got even better in the 2010s too, but yeah. Winger are stupidly underrated thanks to their most popular output being objectively worse than what came after.
IS there really that much grunge influence on Pull? I do hear some thrash influence in there, especially on Junkyard Dog, but grunge? Not really. I suspect that this is one of those stories that have come to be after the fact.
@@WillRock07 On what grounds? When it sounds nothing like grunge but has influences from thrash in it, you would think that is what it is a response to, right? I am not so sure that EVERYTHING that was made in the nineties that doesn't sound like it was made in the eighties had to be a response to grunge, and unless I am missing something, I think that this album is a perfect example.
@@kospandx What grounds? The whole point of this video is that all the Glam Metal bands had to adapt because of grunge. Nirvana opened the floodgates and completely changed the musical landscape and all these bands suddenly weren't getting airplay anymore. So they had to change. Doesn't mean they all went grunge but they had to find a way to fit in. As an example in this video, Bon Jovi didn't go grunge but don't think Grunge wasn't the cause of Bon Jovi's change. A quote from Jon Bon Jovi - "We'd been kicked in the teeth by Nirvana, but we didn't pay attention to that. We got rid of the clichés, wrote some socially conscious lyrics and got a haircut. I didn't do a grunge thing and I didn't do a rap thing. But I knew I couldn't re-write 'Livin' on a Prayer' again, so I didn't try. And it paid off." So yeah... with all of these bands, Winger included, it was a response to the Grunge movement. If Grunge never came along, and Glam Metal was still a big thing in the 90s and onwards, I guarantee you that they'd have continued doing what they were doing in the 80s.
@@WillRock07 In other words: Major premise: Winger's Pull was a step in a heavier direction, with explicit references to thrash. Minor premise: Jon Bon Jovi said in 2007 that they changed their sound because of grunge. Conclusion: Winger wrote the Pull album as a response to grunge. See the problem? At the time that Pull was written grunge was not the only game in town, and to claim that they were and that every album that didn't sound like it was recorded in 1988 HAD to be a response to grunge SPECIFICALLY, even when the evidence for it is as weak as this, is pretty poor history, don't you agree?
According to Warrant frontman Jani Lane, he remembers when he walked into Columbia Records HQ in New York City in 1990, where he found in the main lobby’s wall was a poster promoting their album, “Cherry Pie”. Two or three years later, when “Dog Eat Dog”, their upcoming album, was about to be released, Lane visited Columbia Records again, only this time, there’s a poster promoting Alice in Chains’ newest album, “Dirt”. Lane literally saw the writing on the wall, except it was a poster.
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You gotta appreciate how Ozzy adapted to every genre of rock for decades. He outlasted everyone while making huge changes to the sound.
I’d never thought of that before reading, but damn are you right!
Specially when you consider Paranoid, Blizzard of Oz and No More Tears are from 70, 80 and 91🤯
I don’t know if he adapted or if we did. I think he remained his authentic self the whole time. I 100% believe in self improvement so long as you’re still the same person at heart. Look at p!nk. She just keeps getting more successful and she’s never changed for anyone. She’s very inspiring for women any way. I watch a lot of concerts on TH-cam and some of them have almost all male audiences and others almost all female. I like a performance by Metallica and I saw zero females in the audience. I was dangerous for sure. People get so excited they just shove forward. Most bands stop the show to help.
Yeah and ripped off the musicians who wrote his songs, revived his career and helped him succeed
@@thelolguy007 This is true. Bob Daisley saved his arse.
@@kospandx and how did he repay him? By ‘NOT’ paying him royalties and getting in studio musicians to re-record the parts so he wouldn’t have to pay the royalties in the future
There is nothing more out of style than recently out of style. The 90's were brutal for hair bands.
Even GNR lost a chunk of their cool factor. Use Your Illusion survived because of their extraordinary large fanbase waiting for a proper Appetite follow-up.
I never liked hair bands. Punk and hard core metal only. I loved when grunge came along.
Not as brutal as dating apps are to men
@@HamzaAgha-b6l Way to connect 90s rock music with an incel perspective
I don't think Nirvana killed Glam metal, I think Dr. Dre did. After the Satanic paranoia faded in the US and the plethora of power ballads from supposedly heavy metal bands, rock was no longer dangerous.
Then, in 1992 the LA riots plus the release of danceable Gangsta rap made Hip-Hop both fun for kids and scary for parents. That's the recipe for popular music.
A video going through 90s bands trying to survive in the 2000s would be really interesting
2000s bands surviving in the 2010s would be cool too, considering rock wasn't very popular in the 10s
Hey grandpa rock was still a thing in the 2000s
I mean if you’re talking grunge bands that’s kinda tricky since most of the big ones split before the 90s ended. You’ve basically only got Pearl Jam and that bizarre dance pop album from Chris Cornell
Edit: I completely forgot that Chris Cornell had Audioslave in the 2000s
90s bands couldn't even survive the 90s lmao.
A lot of sophomore albums slumped, bands were dropped by majors as quickly as they'd been signed (see: Local H with Pack up the Cats). The grunge/alternative bubble burst somewhere toward the end of 1996.
When Kurt died, grunge died. It did linger a couple of years later, but post-grunge, nu metal, and pop punk was the next wave for the second half of the decade.
Post-grunge carried the self-pity but lacked any soul and was cookie cutter Pearl Jam knockoffs.
1991 and 1992 are two of my favorite music years, mostly in part because both metal and grunge could be successful and co-exist, rather than just having to be alternative rock from 1993 onwards.
Agreed
93 was still ok it all went downhill mid 94 onwards- Post Cobain’s death
My man what the fuck are you talking about, 1990 to 1995 was some of the greatest years in metal. Death metal and black metal ruled, doom metal was getting its laurels, alt metal was a thing.
In 91-92 Alice in Chains would be played on both Headbangers Ball and 120 Minutes.
@@coyotebillkc9185 Sure but they were the closest thing to Metal - What say you?
I do remember that almost everyone had Skid Row's 'Slave To The Grind' CD despite it being the height of grunge back in high school. It was such a heavy hitter it was totally legit.
We can't deny that Bon Jovi's "It's my life" became a worldwide hit. My conclusion: They grew in their own pop rock style.
But it does suck lol.
But came way after grunge at it's peak.
In the case of Bon Jovi a fair comparission is with Keep The Faith from 1992 and These Days from 1995.
They adapted by appealing to the older generation, not the raging youth of the 90s
Grew? Bon Jovi copied every trend that came out. Musically and visually.
"It's My Life" is just watering down a mid tempo hair band song as far down to adult contemporary mainstream as possible for $$$. Don't get me wrong; I actually love tons of top 40 pop hits but songs like that are the worst of both worlds and just annoying.... Def Leppard did the same thing after Hysteria in the 90's...
Awesome video. Bon Jovi were the real ones that seamlessly stormed into success in the 90s via the Keep the Faith album. I dont know exactly how it fared in America overall, but in Europe they actually became even bigger than before. MTV Europe rotated the 'Jovi all the time and over here in general, they were side to side with Grunge, and the likes of Guns n Roses in terms of continuous popularity. Im Irish, and remember hard rock like Bon Jovi not getting sidelined by Grunge on MTV here. It was a huge mixed bag of everything.
I don't think grunge was nearly as big a phenomenon in Europe as in the States. Around my parts it felt less like grunge replaced metal than metal simply disappearing just as I got into it for no apparent reason. Apparently they did sell enough records to chart fairly highly, but I have no idea who were buying them.
Actually, Jon himself admitted that Always was their top selling single. Which was what, 93-94? However, while MTV played their songs a lot in the US, Im struggling to recall anything coming out after 96.
As, in 2000 when It's My Life came out, I recall thinking it had been a while since Bon Jovi put anything out. Annnnnd you could not ESCAPE that song at all that summer. It was everywhere.
@@AnthonySforzathey took a break after these days Sambora and Jon put out solo stuff they came back with Real Life and after the Crush album !
That’s what I said on my last post. They were the biggest band from that scene to survive and become bigger, especially internationally, in terms of album sales and stadium tours. Many of their peers tried to follow, some succeeded, most failed. They stayed culturally relevant for a longer time too, whereas most of their peers faded into nostalgia. For example, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, and poison did a stadium tour together in recent years, but could only do so billed as co-headliners. Bon Jovi have been headlining their own stadium tours globally for over 3 decades.
Edit: Sorry if that was a little long. lol
@@AnthonySforzaWho says you can't go home from 2005 and Who says you can't go home from 2016.
Is most grunge singers didn't even get to live to see 2016 let alone have a hit.
Bon Jovi,Madonna,U2 and Duran Duran are the quadfecta of Gen X artists who stayed relevant the longest.
I was never a fan of Poison but really, they tried changing their sound and direction before Grunge broke big. They seemed to be influenced more by the Black Crowes than Nirvana. So much so that I remember seeing an ad in the early 90's for something called "The Southern Rock Festival" and Poison was the headliner. With Lynyrd Skynyrd playing right before them.
Yes! I have been saying for years that I think Poison would have gone down an Americana route if Grunge had never happened. There was always a bit of country to the sound of their ballads, which I suspect helped ease rock audiences into Garth Brooks, who broke big the same year as Nirvana.
That’s sad that Skynyrd had to play before a band like that. At least they’ve had a better legacy.
Native Tongue... my favourite Poison album with no doubt!!
Get this… Bret is from Pennsylvania, but if you hear him talk, he has a straight up southern accent. I’m from SC and he sounds like he could be from right down the road. I always though poison had kind of a blue collar/southern thing going on, in the modern day more than ever.
@@LemmyLawless I agree that No Doubt was a huge 90s band, but I don't think Gwen sang on any Poison albums. =o)
Honorable mention of strong 90's albums by 80's bands...
Dog Eat Dog -- Warrant
Dysfunctional -- Dokken
Carnival Of Souls -- Kiss
Show Business -- Kix
3 -- Firehouse
Still Climbing -- Cinderella
Waiting For The Punchline -- Extreme
Collage -- Ratt
Louder Than Hell -- Manowar
Crack A Smile -- Poison
Hear In The Now Frontier -- Queensryche
Still Not Black Enough -- W.A.S.P.
Let It Rock -- Great White
Za Za -- Bulletboys
Warrant's Dog Eat Dog is severely underrated. I think it slipped by a lot of folks at the time.
tell the truth billy squier from 1993 is an incredible album
@@magicstuff Dog Eat Dog is the best Warrant album if you ask me. A more mature and slightly heavier take on the 80's heavy metal sound, but still respecting the band's roots and not taking the pretentious grunge route.
Firehouse 3rd album is very banger..
I can't agree with this list enough. Although Ultraphobic caught me off guard, I slowly loved it. Belly to Belly not so much.
Once Steve Clark died in early ‘91, Def Leppard was never the same. Adrenalize (which I’m pretty sure is the last 80’s Hair/Glam Metal album to go #1 on the Billboard 200 in 1992) was the finish line for them.
I wonder how the 90’s would’ve went for them if he didn’t die and it’s crazy how he didn’t even live to see the grunge takeover, he died while they were still on top.
Yeah I love Adrenalize and see it as pure 80s arena/hair metal in the Hysteria style. Maybe "make love like a man" was the one sorta 90s sounding track.
Never thought how their trajectory could have been way different if Steve Clark lived. Maybe their 90s output would have been closer to Euphoria (99), like just a slightly edgier and more modern 80s sound
He was a riff machine and would have been fine if he could have gotten sober who knows? I wonder what Van Halen would have been if Dave never left and got into the 90s
Oh that period of hard rock - Post-Nirvana/Pre-Korn. I call it...
WAYNE’S WORLD ROCK 😄
The movie Airheads exemplified that period
I ain't fartin' on no snare drum!
1994 was a pivotal year for sure.
Party time! Excellent!
W.A.S.P. deserves an award for their catalogue alone, they tried getting heavier and deeper with their songs back in 1989, then did a concept album, then a queen inspired album, and finally of all the bands trying to fit in with grunge, wasp took the industrial metal route and made some of the darkest music at the time. All of this during the 90s which basically made fun of people like him.
Though the 90s had some great music, I never thought Grunge was a part of the great. To me, Grunge sucked. It was depressing and boring. Give me the hard rock bands of the 80s any day, including the hair bands.
I hate how a lot of videos separate by decades. When they all pretty much coexisted with each other. I was there those years. They all overlapped decades,
Glam/hair rock you had it started in the '70s, rolled over into the '80s and '90s. Popular ALL 3 decades. Just that popularity wavered off during the mid '90s. Mainstream kind of rock. Hard rock blues based.
"Grunge" , a silly term pushed by the national media, was/is basically garage rock, punk rock with heavier distorted guitars and slower tempo. Also existed already , late '70s, '80s as underground music in certain scenes, played just on college radio, independent/alternative radio stations and late night videos on MTV. Harder to see and hear these kind of bands. The alt rock explosion during the late '80s and early '90s helped propel bands like these into mainstream. So, alt/indie rock which was mainly underground during the '70s and '80s, exploded into mainstream during the '90s , '00s. Overlap. Lot of good alt rock. The ones that were labeled grunge tends to be more whiney, emo, depressing. Gets boring after awhile.
But, you also had more upbeat , energetic rock like punk, ska, etc and multiple punk subgenres. And Metal. Nu metal, rap metal, multiple metal subgenres, etc. All also coexisted back then overlapping decades and recent years. And also other good fun genres coming out back then multiple decades, rap, funk, R&B, etc.
Skid Row Subhuman Race was a solid album. Skid Row was more of a metal band than most of the other bands that were their contemporaries. Which is surprising since they were late to the scene. But they also fell victim to the rocker followed by ballad formula. And frankly, they did the ballad as good, if not better, than the rest. The power ballad definitely had an element of cheese. But Skid Row seemed to do it with less cheese than the others.
Agreed
It IS a solid album. I still play it to this day. Subhuman race is a masterpiece.
Skid Row definitely fared better than most. I remember they toured with Pantera in 1992.
I agree, Skid Row was right there with GnR. Dirty hard rock. Not hair metal.
100%
I am a massive 80s hard rock fan, and even I am in doubt whether Bon Jovi became even better in the 90s. I love me a good ballad, and Bed of Roses, Always, This Ain't a Love Song are just gold. I even enjoy their 2000s stuff a lot. They truly trascended time.
They matured musically and lyrically better than most of their peers. That’s why they’re still on top and stayed culturally relevant for a longer period of time.
As a Boyband connesieur/historian, I often compare the late 90s/early 00s boyband craze to that of the 80s/ really early 90s hair mania. The parallels are really uncanny.
Looks like Kpop occupies that space
there was also landfill amounts of boy bands in the 00's in the UK until One Direction decimated them and the girl groups simultaneously. There's definitely a comparison there. Also indie acts before the Arctic Monkeys ended all that with their debut. Both the boy bands and indie landfill occupy a nostalgia place and only play their hits whenever they tour just like the 80's hair metal bands.
@davequiquegg oh I know...
Boyzone
East 17
Code Red
Take That
5ive
911
Westlife.... just to name a few.
Comparing hair bands to boy bands is kinda vague. Because hair bands actually had talent and made somewhat quality music. A more accurate comparison would be comparing boy bands to pop punk and emo bands. Both styles of music are extremely overrated teenybopper crap. The parallels are uncanny.
@carpenoctem775 well the comparison has more to do with the meteoric rise and fall and in the height, the manufacturing of it all.
Emo/pop punk had a gradual rise, stuck around for quite a while and even inspired what music would sound like roughly around the late 00s.
I'm gonna be honest, 80s rock/metal bands transitioning into the 90s is probably my favorite genre of music. There is just something unendingly interesting about listening to the sounds of someone who was riding the waves like a master trying to adjust to changing tides. I stand by Keep the Faith and These Days being overall better albums than New Jersey and Slippery, even if there are a couple singles out of the 80s albums that I prefer over the majority of both albums (namely Wanted and Lay Your Hands on Me, but they still don't match the best songs on the 90s albums imo).
Skid Row broke out of the glam phase with Slave to the Grind - I mean that one was Super Heavy . Much Heavier and more Metallic than their self titled first one
@mikedavis8008 Absolutely 🤘🤘
It’s such a good album.
But the glam album had better songs.
@@crushingalldeceivers are you serious?? The heavier album was more Realistic in terms of both the music and lyrics
Yeah great album fucking love the last track wasted time such a catchy riff and vocals
i always wondered how that transition happened. i feel like everyone associates that big, long hair with the 80s. and then it just immediately disappeared in the 90s. trends are weird
Everyone says rock changed in 91-92 when Nevermind hit, and it did, ... but if you were paying attention hair metal was in its last throes in 89-90. Mainstream rock stations were still playing Crue, Poison & Ratt but every city had an alternative station that was playing NIN Pretty Hate Machine, Janes Addiction, the Cure Disintegration , etc.
I remember hearing The Mountain Song in a bar and going 'omg wtf is this', and bought Nothings Shocking in 89 ... Gish came out 6 months before Nevermind but only college rock stations played SP... The music industry got smart , everyone was begging for a big change 🎶🎸
I had always rally wondered about this. Thanks for making a majustic video on it
Whilst it isn't mentioned here, it should be added that Vince Neil released what is arguably the best album to spring out of the Mötley Crüe family tree right in the middle of grunge, viz., his first solo album, Exposed. It is musically a far richer album than anything he had tried before, and the material is thoroughly strong (half of it was written to be a follow-up to Ozzy's The Ultimate Sin). It did decently well, but really deserves to be heard by more. It also makes absolutely no concessions to grunge.
Yeah but that because its lead single was on encino man.
@@firesideshats That may have had some effect, but Vince's name and the strength of the album itself should have been enough to draw many listeners in by themselves, even in 1993.
Exposes is an Amazing album!
A Stevie Stevens project with Vince on vocals, really.
@@aelfredrex8354 Well, Soussan came with half of the songs, but if it IS a Stevens project, it certainly blows Atomic Playboy out of the water.
Bon Jovi coming back with “It’s My Life” was a big success, though.
Bon Jovi has been able to keep their fan base and bring in new fans over the years. They haven't necessarily changed
These hair metal bands were in a weird bind. It was too soon for 80s nostalgia and they didnt fit in with a more serious sound. Meanwhile all those punk and alternative bands that were ignored in the 80s suddenly had a new following.
also alternative/indie bands music in the 80's have aged better than a lot of 80's hair/glam. A lot of these are left to the past.
@@gx1tar1erThats a preference and a preference that isn’t the general consensus at that. Most of the public would disagree with you, but you are entitled to your own opinion. It’s just an opinion, and it’s not objective especially since most of the public would tend to disagree with you. When people thinks 80s rock, they think glam and hair metal. Alternative/Indie is 90s/modern aged rock
I've got a suggestion for a video: how about '70s hard rock bands adapting to the '80s. For starters, there's Aerosmith - originally their songs were heavy and gritty, but by the '80s they completely got onboard with power ballads written by Desmond Child, just in time for the MTV era. AC/DC with Bon Scott were also very gritty, rough, and blues-inspired - but in the '80s with Brian Johnson on lead, they were a total arena rock band. I'd also include Heart with their heavier stuff like "Barracuda" vs. their power ballads like "Alone" - and of course we can't forget KISS without their makeup.
I Saw Red is such a great song. And Jani Lane's songs on Warrant's debut are a showcase of excellent songwriting.
Uncle Tom's Cabin is my jam off of that album. For those slow ballady songs, I am often not in the mood for the slowness of them, they just make me feel sad. But Uncle Tom's Cabin has so much electric energy, it gives me goosebumps. I love the music video for that song too.
The bitter pill. Thin Disguise. I saw Red. Letter to a friend. Stronger Now. All my bridges are burning. Blind Faith. Jani was a great song writer. Very honest sounding voice aswell. Miss that guy
@@jasonlawson01 Mr. Rainmaker, also quite well imo :D
Totally agree but sadly people think of the Cherry Pie song when they think of Warrant and Jani Lane hated that song but of course the greedy music executives begged for a big sound cheesy instant hit and there it was but yes Jani Lane was a great singer/ songwriter
Bon Jovi's These Days is probably their best album. Kind of gritty, adult contemporary, very introspective and sometimes even reflecting of internal conflicts, their musicianship peaked there. Richie's bluesy style ruled all over the album, I think it features some of the heaviest plays by Tico. And what about the production qualities?, I mean, listen closely to the classical parts in This Ain't A Love Song. That song is amazing.
It's a shame the album didn't sell as well, which prompted them to a more popy sound in Crush, which has been a defining album for their style in the last quarter of a century.
These Days was their last great album.
The 90s weren’t grungy. It just so happens. Grunge was the most main stream so everybody who wasn’t even born, yet has distorted reality that the entire era was pure grunge. The 90s were super eclectic and bizarre. You had bands like Jane’s Addiction and Primus that were like super far out there and you had crazy comedy bands like B-52’s or Primus again. Then you had alternative hip-hop, like Digable, planets and tribe, all the way to things like Swedish retro euro pop like the cardigans and even far out bands like the Squirrel Nut Zippers playing 1920s hot jazz going main stream. Then you had hard-core punk and Pop punk like Green Day and NOFX. You had the beastie boys doing crazy hip-hop, and then then you had British Pop like blur and oasis and 1 million other mellow dancy bands like happy Mondays and then you had stuff like Ned’s atomic dustbin and back. It was like every genre and everything. It was just fun and cool worked. The 90s were all about alternatives, and every alternative could go main stream in a heartbeat.
Ye it seemed the 90s had a lot going for it with music
Honorable mention. Early alt and nu metal like KoЯn, deftones, rage, tool. And goth industrial, NIN, Type O, Rammstein.
Cinderella & Great White are two bands that put music out in the grunge era 90s… they didn’t cave and just did what they always did which is hard rock infused w blues. That’s what sold millions of records in the 80s and early 90s and they didn’t waver just because it wasn’t “in” anymore. Two of the best bands ever in my opinion.
Great white released hooked in 91. Desert moon would’ve been a hit in the 80s for sure
Didn't take long before Cinderella fell down too though. Don't get me wrong, they're one of my favorite bands ever but
Cinderella are so much better than they get credit for. Their TERRIBLE name is what puts people off them
Wish more people listened to those bands, they are some of the best of that era (and all time) IMO
Some of my favorite albuims by these "hair bands" came out of the 90's
Motley made two great albums
Warrant delivered Ultraphobic & I loved that.
Skid Row's Subhuman Race is killer.
Even Dokken got back together, Dysfunctuional isn't my favorite Dokken album but it was refreshing to hear in 1995.
Def Leppard's Slang is really good as is Bon Jovi's These Days.
I just wish these albums received some airplay so the masses heard them.
Great video. It always bugged me how the 80s guys tried to save themselves when the new thing hit. It's not like OG car manufacturers moving to electric cars or businesses moving to online shops or whatever, it's the guys admitting they were never the cool transgressors that don't care about anything they tried to show they were, their personalities were just a product of their management/marketing team lol.
"It's like a mullet became self-aware and adapted itself into a superior coif." This is perhaps the funniest thing I've heard all year. Well done.
i have to say i never saw Skid row as a "Hair Metal band" they were always very heavy but i guess the ballads made them be thrown into the Glam Metal side.
@@bozhno yes i agree.
That and their association with Bon Jovi in the late 1980s is my guess why they remain hair metal in our memories.
Poison/Richie Kotzen's Until You Suffer Some (Fire and Ice) is a great freaking song. Native Tongue is a criminally underrated and underappreciated album.
Super interesting topic. Some bands sure got it and sounded alright. Very cool and well-done video!
“Don’t think there’s alot to go back for the poison album” That album is incredible.
Bon Jovi survive the 90s they still sell millions of album in the US andmore popular in Asia and europe in the 90s.
"Grunge" (specifically talking about seattle bands) by itself was short-lived, from 1991 to roughly 1993 (the chicago bull years), it quickly got absorbed into the greater Alt bubble
Short lived? It started in the mid-80s. It's not just Nirvana.
Great Video! I grew up in the 80s with all those Hair Metal Bands (Or during that time was just Rock Bands) and by the time the 90s came around I had completely forgotten about them at that point. So many great bands to emerge from the 90s; who had time for the bands anymore. Thank you again for posting.....
Jackyl are a great band. They formed in 1991 so they technically aren't an 80s band but they played some killer southern tinged hard rock. Jackyl's first 2 albums are definitely worth checking out. Headed For Destruction is a badass tune. There's a great version of it from Woodstock 94. Also don't forget Guns N Roses. The Use Your Illusion albums were a massive success and their tour with Metallica in 1992 was selling out stadiums.
Jackyl was awesome!!!!
Thanks for the tip! gonna check them out.
@@y_s4021 No problem. 👍
Jackyl pees all over GnR.
Genius video man. Very rarely touched topic, people always talk about how grunge killed hair bands but none talked about what happened to most of the hair bands trying to survive the 90s.
Dude, I was lucky enough to see the Crue with Warrant in February of 92. I was only 14 and Dr Feelgood had come out a couple years prior and I was absolutely in love with the whole album.
They had the dopest laser light hologram of the crazy doctor from the cd/cassette inserts Introducing them.
The kicker is my parents fuckin took us to the show(literally watching the entirety of both bands)which we got tickets from them for xmas. It was insane.
Dr feelgood came out in 1989
@@stephenhamel9464 thanks man, it's fixed.
Lucky kid
Ultimately, for my money, the 80s rock bands' music has aged better than 90s grunge. When you've had a beer or two and are having fun, do you want to hear Motley Crue or do you want to feel bad for yourself and listen to Pearl Jam?
Depends on the beers. If they are coors or bud, or whatever is on tap Motley Crue. If it’s craft brew, with some fancy cheese, than Pearl Jam.
I much prefer Pearl Jam. Motley Crue sucks.
Bro there's a lot of heavy rocking out grunge songs
I think Bon Jovi is the only band that made the right decision on how to evolve. As all those other bands tried to stay cool and relevant with metal kids, (which is like when your dad tries to be cool), Bon Jovi targeted middle aged moms. They were the only band smart enough to realize that they weren't going to be accepted by the new generation of music lovers and their best course is to stick with their aging fan base and just write music they'll like.
This video was awesome! I would love to see a video about the transition for bands from the 70s to the 80s as there were some big changes then as well
Winger and Warrant made their two best and heaviest albums in the 90s with 'Pull' and 'Dog Eat Dog'. Both awesome albums.
Winger is criminally underrated. Great musicians, great songs. Sure deserved better.
Hahahah
Down incognito, I really love that song
How interesting that all through the 90's a lot of these bands were mocked for having no staying power, and here we are almost 30 years later and many of them are still filling up stadiums because people can't get enough of that nostalgia from their 80's heyday. I don't think too many grunge bands are out there packing 40,000+ seat stadiums like we saw last summer with the Motley/Leppard/Poison tour. Of course Bon Jovi still packs 'em in too. It's funny how things work out over the long term.
80s bands lost the battle but won the war
It also doesnt help that music today objectively sucks, en masse. So people began looking backward. What's really cool, is that obscure bands or the late 80s/Early 90s, like Roxy Blue, Wildside, Vain, Britney Foxx, etc etc, who never got the time of day, are actually having their own moments in the sun, finally.
Where Bobby Blotzer was talking about Ratt's catalog being "En fuego" as he put it, where it took ten years for Detonator to go gold, then just hovered there, but then after the insurance commercial, took less than two years to go from just over gold, to platinum.
Yeah who the fuck even cares about Pearl Jam, Peppers, Stone Temple Pilots, and all the other dated 90s trend bands anymore?
Well alot of the big grunge bands can't tour for obvious reasons.
@@Beeraltar grunge and nostalgia dont mix very well. it would be kinda of odd seing a 48 yr old wearing a zero t shirt and talking about how much he hates his parents 🤣
Motley Crue’s album with John Corabi was a killer record.
Agreed. After Too fast for Love and Shout at the Devil.
3rd best record.
Better that everything else they recorded imho.
Couldnt agree more. It demonstrated that the band was more than just glam.
It’s alright. The Crue is just better sounding when they’re glam/hair metal band
Harem Scarem, Vicious Rumors, Badlands, Kix, Crimson Glory, Lynch Mob... The great hair bands of the 90's that almost no one remembers.
The Native Tongue record is actually pretty damn incredible:
Stay Alive
Stand
Until You Suffer Some
Strike Up The Band
Theatre Of My Soul
Ain’t That The Truth
7 Days Over You
Also, the Motely Crue self titles isn’t all that great, but the things that are good are as good as anything Crue ever did:
Hooligan’s Holiday
Misunderstood
Uncle Jack
Welcome To The Numb
Loveshine
Winger - Pull is just one of the most underrate albums of all times, its a masterpiece
Pull is fucking awesome! Probably best album of '93. Anybody who laughs at Winger should listen to Junkyard Dog.
Hahaha, I remember hearing In Cognito for the first time, like "Wait... the DJ said this was new Winger?" Love that song.
OK Stewart
Shut up Stewart
Honestly, I think I like today's heavier Winger way more than their prime. One of my favorite bands actually. They made so many cool songs after they went heavy, even their hard rock got better. Kip and Reb Beach are so good.
Bon Jovi still works in the 90s
People forget 1992 and early 93 still a lot of hair metal and power ballads, it didn't just fade away the instant "Teen spirit" was released.
Winger and Warrant had surprisingly heavy albums in 1993 too. I don't see them as grunge (though they were more in league with that style), just gritty hard rock.
Vince Neil exposed is freaking awesome too, another 93 album that would have been huge if it was 87-91
Bon Jovi's These Days is very adult. If this album were written by someone else, it'd be considered a masterpiece.
I prefer These Days over any 80's Bon Jovi. Great CD. I have said many times, if it was anyone else who made that CD, it would have been much bigger!
You use that word masterpiece but I don't think you know what it means.
Ironically, he doesn't mention the grunge songs from Bon Jovi's These Days album, such as - Hey God - or - My guitar lies bleeding in my arms. unbelievable
It was probably their most introspective album lyrically.
I agree 1000 percent with you. As a guitarist I love and have researched a lot of the guitar legends such as EVH, Brian May and so on. I feel like Ritchie was one of the most UNDERRATED guitarists of all time. You’re never gonna see him on a top 10 list and I feel like a big part of that is because Richies best playing (in my opinion) was on their more 90s albums. The man was a blues guy, and you can really see him embracing that on the These days album specifically. Me and a friend of mine whose also a guitarist talk about the album all the time and we both feel that it just came out at a time when eyes were not directed towards Bon Jovi. Also I feel like it’s one of those albums where his playing was well placed and blended on most of the songs. So his playing was not as noticeable to people who don’t have an ear for music and have a hard time distinguishing and picking out each individual instrument. Then let’s not even get started on Jon’s voice (the perfect blend of rasp, toughness and sweetness).With all this being said I’m with you! It’s a true masterpiece! I could talk about this album all day, so imma end with this… These days (masterpiece of a album), Dry County from Keep the faith album… Phenomenal guitar solo!!!! Or solos if you wanna take into account that he starts with a bluesy solo that he could have ended on but instead chooses to ride into another more classic Bon Jovi shredder solo! 🤯
Correction: Mutt Lange wasn't necessary too busy producing Bryan Adams and Shania Twain albums, he was too busy boinking Shania Twain!!! And hell, no sane guy could ever blame him for one minute!!!
Never ever thought I'd hear Warrant and King's X compared in the same sentence, but now I hear it.
I had a friend take me to a Def Leppard show in 2003 or so. Packed house and they gave the audience exactly what they wanted. I'd say they weathered the 90s fairly well.
Worth mentioning though that these 80s bands may have done weird stuff to fit in in the 90s, but almost all of them are still filling stadiums today. How many 90s bands can you say that about? In fact, apart from Pearl Jam, what 90s bands are still going?
Smashing Pumpkins still puts out albums and tours. Alice in chains doing fine with new singer for past 15 years. Soundgarden reunited in late 2000s, recorded album and toured until Chris Cornell suicide just after their gig in 2017. Stone Temple Pilots also reunited with original singer Scott Weiland in late 2000s but fired him again in 2013 and in 2015 he died from overdose. They are still exist but not as successful
most of the bands associated with grunge are no more or went through a hiatus that virtually ended their story as we know, but emerged as something different, not so hungry. I don't blame the bands really. None of the ones that became active again played nostalgia angle unlike KISS or 80's bands.
- Nirvana: Obviously done with Kurt's suicide. We got Foo Fighters out of it though, which is undoubtably one of the biggest arena band.
- Alice in Chains: Long hiatus after their frontman Layne, came back years later with high quality albums, but didn't really attempt to grow their audience.
- Soundgarden: Disbanded before even 90;s were over. Chris Cornell came back with a successful solo album and went on to form Audioslave, which was a massive success and arena band. Soundgarden reformed in 2012 but again, they didn't really attempt to grow their audience or make nostalgia tours.
- Stone Temple Pilots: Similar to Alice in Chains really, frontman dies, new frontman comes, they don't really play nostalgia angle. But the new frontman dies as well. cursed band really.
- Smashing Pumpkins: Musically most flexible of these bands, but they couldn't retain the quality songwriting with new songs. Many lineup changes, inconsistent band overall.
Tool’s 2019 album went to Number 1 on the pop charts, briefly beating Taylor Swift
The biggest 90s bands all lost their frontmen...and AIC is still pulling huge numbers nowadays
the one band who was very interesting is Firehouse, as in 1994 they had that hit "I Live My Life For You", and it charted high, waaaaay past hair metal's prime days. It was able to enter that adult contemporary vein just like Bon Jovi and the Goo Goo Dolls
'94 Motley Crue is a 7/10
Subhuman Race is an 8/10
Native Tongue is a 7/10
I really dig them all
Love this video idea!! I’d like to see the same with other decades!!
80s hair bands rule! Idk why they get so much hate from music fans.
It's a cycle, happens to the best of us. Blues, Disco, Metal, Gangsta Rap, etc. One day you are the god of cool, tomorrow you are a joke and have to rely on your second career choice to pay the bills.
Then one day if you wait long enough a new generation discovers you and no one listens to the previous generation bitch about how it sucks because they got old so who cares and the retro sounds refreshing compared to anything new that is pumped out.
They are 80s rock bands...."hair metal" is a silly derisive term and one of the reasons why people perceive 80s rock bands in a negative way
I was a teen all through the 80s and when the 90s came I was disillusioned by my favorite bands chasing new sounds. Now that I'm 50, I find I listen to the 90s output pretty frequently. It has just enough maturity in it (especially Def Leppard's Slang and Winger's Pull) to hold my interest with my much broader musical tastes now.
Great video!! I just happened to stumble upon it but have immediately subscribed. As a lover of 80s hard rock, and owner of
most of these albums too, I reckon you’ve given a very fair assessment. Great work all round and I’m looking forward to the second part of this! Keep up the great work!
Thanks KURT!!!!!! The alternative and underground music Revolution!
3:00 Grudgey adaption, skid row. 80s rock purest hate it. 5:15 Poison same thing. 6:30, Another trying to be relevant, falsely. 9:02 pathetic sound.11:00 gawd ... wow glad I stop listening to these bans in 1991. Hope Def doesn't' play any of these albums in the 1990s at concerts.... awesome critique.
Alternative Revolution happened in the late 70s. Nirvana turned Alternative Rock into another form of Corporate Rock.
The 90's were the best of times and the worst of times. The good, the bad and the ugly made it a wild time to be a teenager.
Def Leppard’s Slang album contained a lot of emotion. It’s like it was meant to happen - and it’s a masterpiece. Work It Out is one of the best songs they ever produced. 🤘
I'm still pissed they made Move With Me Slowly a Japanese only track for the album and putting out as a B-side. Such a great track.
Loved 'Slang'!
Slang is extremely underrated…
@@retropyroi love absolutely love the groove on this track as well as the guitar solo between Phil and Viv! 🔥🚀
I remember reading a magazine and in an article the writer said, "in 1991 Nirvana released their debut LP Nevermind and hair metal melted overnight." I thought that just about summed it up.
It’s funny. I listened to Hysteria on repeat. 1 of my fav albums but my now fav Def Lep song is AlI want is Everything. Great trip down memory lane from high school to working years for me.
Weird he mentioned Adrenalize, but not Retro-Active.
A few hair metal/glam rock bands thrived in the 90s. Showing us that quality will win over any trend in genres.
*Aerosmith* - They released GET A GRIP and NINE LIVES, both albums sold great, appeared in movies and television all the time, touring the world and more or less owned the hard rock scene in the early/mid 90s, even though their music still was very much 80s power rock.
*RHCP* - They made a very stripped down album in 91 (Blood Sugar Sex Magik) which can`t really be called 80s rock, but in the 80s, they were very much a 80s type of funky rock band. After the Blood Sugar Sex Magik album, they went more or less back to their 80s style on ONE HOT MINUTE (95) and CALIFORNICATION (99).
*KISS* - They released REVENGE in 1991, in the middle of the grunge mania and actually pulled it off. The music was typical KISS with a more heavy mix. Very much 80s style also the way they looked. The album waas a huge success until they did the reunion.
*EXTREME* - Basic hair metal band, releaseing two great albums PORNOGRAFITTI (90) and III SIDES TO EVERY STORY (92) that sold millions, having radio hits, music videos on MTV and toured the world like there was no such thing as grunge in their way.
*FAITH NO MORE* - Although they are more alternative metal than a hair band, FNM was indeed a hair metal funk band like RHCP in the 80s and a bit into the 90s. They released ANGEL DUST (92) and KING FOR A DAY.. (95). Far away from anything grungy and the 90s was in fact their best decade.
.. there`s more but these are some bands that "should have" been buried in the 80s hair metal dumpster, but survived because they released great music.
Aerosmith gets a pass because they weren't part of the scene---they INVENTED the scene! And there were few others like them in the 1970s---which means that pioneers like them, KISS, and Van Halen are able to transcend generations
Now, this is a cool subject. I have to say Poison and Skid Row did a good job transitioning into the 90s. Where as someone like David Coverdale and the Whitesnake camp just said fuck it all together disbanded and threw in the towel. Didn’t even attempt. Which was really smart. Honestly. Dave came back with Coverdale/Page. Which was Killer.. Queensryche also did good transitioning from the 80’s to 90’s
Queensrÿche's Promised Land was strangely awesome, kind of defiant and acknowledging at the same time. I never had that Coverdale/Page record that's one I should check out all these years later!
@@MadSciRexieFi It’s very bluesy and groovy to say the least. Hell, Jimmy Page is playing guitar on it, so you already know. Yes, that Promised Land is killer.
To be fair to Dave, he folded Whitesnake before grunge blew up bigtime, so I don't think there is a casual link there. What IS true is that a lot of the big glam acts were MIA as grunge made it big, which probably facilitated grunge taking their place.
@@kospandx I must say your right about David Coverdale’s decision to disband Whitesnake in 90. It was shortly after Monsters of Rock. I don’t think Nirvana had dropped yet. David definitely had foresight. Cause he went back to the blues with Coverdale/Page. He knew the glam era was done.
The "cowboy flair" with which Bon Jovi is credited was actually started in 1984 when Ratt released "Wanted Man." Bon Jovi's "Wanted: Dead or Alive" was released in 1987, but being the quintessential "hair band," Bon Jovi got the credit.
KISS had an interesting entry to the grunge genre but reunited mid-production and it just got absolutely steamrolled by the reunion. Definitely a valiant attempt. Some great tunes. I don't know if it ever would have been a commercial success, but on music alone, I really dig the album.
Not to mention "Revenge" was their best album in over a decade, in my opinion.
Cool seeing Ace and Peter back in the band, but considering what happened after, the reunion cursed the band.
I didn`t even bother to listen to the album back then bc everyone said it was just KISS doing grunge. Under the pandemic I dug into a lot of music I ignored for stupid reasons in my 20s (I was 20 in 1990) and CARNIVAL OF SOUL is actually not a bad album and has some really good and some really interesting songs on it. Probably because they TRIED to make a grunge album but failed on the grunge style, but it became almost a new genre of it`s own. Like a hybrid of alternative metal and glam metal.
They should have gone back to this after 5-6 years on the reunion thing. Being a KISS fan today is almost as embarrassing as in the 80s.
I like most of carnival of souls personally I think it's a solid record
Carnival of Souls was meant to be released in 1994 but named "Head".
The record got rejected by Mercury and later reworked in late 1995 as a Plan B if the reunion didn't came to fruition.
I talked to Janie not long before he was gone, and he told me he absolutely HATED "Cherry Pie"...RIP Janie
Ultraphobic by Warrant is an awesome album in my opinion. Also, I think you summed up Bon Jovi wrong they just went down the classic rock road. These Days is an awesome album as was Keep The Faith. Def Leppards Slang is also a fine album.
Poison's Stay was a hell of a single.
Bon Jovi were the only ones that were able to dribble the 90s seamlessly.They did grow up, IMO
Kurt was so epic
You have a great sense of humor about these bands. Nailed the Bon Jovi part.
What if any of these bands adapted to a Power Metal sound? Which was becoming a huge thing in Europe. That would have been cool!
Blind guardian CARRIED the European power metal movement
Trouble is they aren’t in Europe
@@blakchristianbale back in the 90s & early 00s it was a big thing, they even claimed that they viewed grunge as competition on their careers
Malmsteen went Power Metal with The Seventh Sign
Absolutely fantastic content 💯💯👏💯💯
I love all the hair metal bands. But so do I love Nirvana and Alice In Chains. And Guns n Roses was and still is my favorite band with the Misfits. I love punk. Fuck man I love outlaw country. I love all music! Hip hop too. It's the best way to be. I got to give the narrator credit for what he said about the mullet becoming self-aware on the bon Jovi part. I was almost going to wreck the guy but he actually did a good job. His words were well chosen and he was right with about every band he talked about
Great work on this, really nicely put together, and funny too
It all makes sense when you figure “hair to grunge” was an ‘implementation’ rather than an organic musical progression. Otherwise, no reason music of all genres couldn’t coexist simultaneously, just like in the 80’s
Thanks for this - it was super interesting. I knew what Crüe had done but it's great to see it in context compared to the other contemporary bands.
Crüe 94 was TOTALLY AMAZING. Generation Swine had 1 or 2 listenable songs. Skid Row 95 SOOOOO heavy and good! Gonna listen to it today!!! Poison 93 failed, sadly. Saw Warrant 3x during this era… KINGS X YES!!! (Nice reference) Poor Jani, though. Bon Jovi heavy hair fail! Leppard’s Slang… Failed.
Much better video than I expected. Great job!
The grunge era made the 80's glam groups feel and look silly. Man spoke about how silly it made the scene look.
The aim of 80s glam rock was to have fun - they were not trying to look cool.
Having said that it was still better than wearing flannel shirts and singing about getting raped by your stepdad.
Listen to Motley Crue 94 today and it’s a pretty good album, it was ahead of its time and some one could probably argue it’s their best creative and performance wise, the drums and guitars are somehow even bigger than on Feelgood . If that album came out around the year 2000 and it wasn’t known that it was Motley it would’ve fit in with rock radio perfectly from 2000-2010 , it’s kinda a proto Nickelback lol
I love the first two Skid Row albums and everyone says Subhuman Race is good but I can’t get into it. I’ll be the first to admit I really didn’t take them seriously until I saw them in The Vulgar Video, Skip Rope ha ha and Dime and Vinny loved Nickelback too
Richie Kotzen is one of the baddest guitarists to walk the earth.
The craziest thing in all of this is all of these glam guys who celebrated the excess of rock n roll are still alive raking in cash touring on nostalgia and people coming back to music that’s just fun. The saddest part is a lot of our grunge heroes are dead, the “big four”
of grunge only has one front man still standing, RIP , Layne, Kurt, and Chris.
Hard to believe Cherry Pie is on the same album as Uncle Tom’s Cabin not hard to believe the record company chose Cherry Pie over Uncle Tom’s Cabin and a year later were really pushing AIC, instead of Warrant
Great to look back on this
Shotgun Messiah is a great example as Tim Skold went on to KMFDM and Marilyn Manson.
Really surprised that you’ve only got 800 subs. Glad that I was recommended this video. Subscribed!
Warrants dog eat dog album in 1992 is badass.
Yeah. I don't know how they skipped this album and went to Ultraphobic
I binged a few videos of your videos and I love it. Your bit about Bon Jovi was amazing and hilarious. Subscribed.
Well, I have to say that I was in high school when "grunge" broke. However, I started listening to bands like Mother Love Bone, Jane's Addiction, AIC, and Soundgarden while I also listened to the bands from the 80s. Bands like Skid Row, GnR, Metallica, Ozzy and Danzig to name a few at the same time to me gave those "grunge" bands a run for their money. Let's also not forget that a lot of those 80s hard rock bands had a resurgence by the late 90s into the early 00s. I never saw a resurgence for the "grunge bands.
The inventors stayed though, just went back underground, the pixies, belly, the breeders, throwing muses still going, mother love one probably would to if dude wasn’t dead. Sound garden and Pearl Jam played neoclassical rock imo , gnr was grunge before grunge. When I think of hair bands I think of the industry produced stuff like motley crew and poison and all the bands that were like that. I don’t think of Ozzie who was metal before there was such a thing.
I think there has never been a resurgence because there was never a backlash. The nineties is the first post-war decade that was not really criticised after the fact, so a revaluation of them has never really been relevant.
Danger Danger - Dawn & Shotgun Messiah's Violent New Breed are other great examples. Good video!
Interesting note on that latter band: Bassist Tim Skold of Shotgun Messiah went the industrial route after SM broke up. He toured as a solo artist and was also a member of KMFDM and Marilyn Manson. I like his industrial sound a lot more than anything from Shotgun Messiah.
If you do another video on this, should have Faster Pussycat turning into the Newly Deads
This was a really well produced video and I enjoyed watching it. Keep up the good work and I mean it in the most genuine way!
Remember what tenacious d said, " Grunge tried to kill the metal, they failed as they were thrown to the ground. "
That's pretty fucking laughable. Nevermind and Ten sold 10 and 13 million a piece and are considered all-time classics today. What is the legacy of these hair-bands beyond being a punchline?
@@daveidmarx8296 🤷♂️ They obviously never grew up in the era and will never understand when grunge ruled.
Metal will always get me going and I will always be a fan, but grunge will always be in my heart.
@@daveidmarx8296 Well, Guns N' Roses and the Crue/Def Leppard tours surely have to be some of the most profitable live music circuses these days? Speaking of GNR, I don't think Nevermind has yet managed to outsell Appetite for Destruction, in spite of the former having been pimped more than any other record by music journalists for three solid decades by now.
All forms of music that get popular grows its fairweather fan base. Pop culture works like that. So the metalheads that liked metal cause it was "cool" in the mid- late 80's stopped supporting the bands. It's their fault, not Nirvana's. Also there was a lot of bad metal ballads being forced down our throats at the time. Most of the 90s records by " hair" bands was bands selling out and trying to jump on a bandwagon they were not ready for. The true bands just kept their sound for the most part and kept rocking from their hearts.
1993 Pull by Winger is the odd case when they did their best album ever in between the grunge wave.
Cockroach by Danger Danger despite being released in 2001 is another great example, since it was meant to be released in 1993 but Ted Poley being fired and then suing the band prevented them to release the album back then..
Religious Fix by Tuff from 1995 too, after being the final hair metal band who achieved a smash MTV hit with I Hate Kissing You Goodbye just weeks before Smells Like Teen Spirit changed it all, their second album already suffered the sign of the times effect on their sound.
One band you missed that I think actually did the best transition was Winger. You know, that band that Metallica and Beavis and Butthead made it cool to hate on? The thing is, Winger had hidden depths, some people saw it but a lot didn't and the thing is, Grunge was the best thing that could have happened to Winger in terms of their music, if not their popularity.
Their response to Grunge was to throw together a darker, heavier, more progressive leaning album in "Pull" which is a LOT better than their two 80s albums. It's my favourite of the "post grunge 80s" albums. They got even better in the 2010s too, but yeah. Winger are stupidly underrated thanks to their most popular output being objectively worse than what came after.
IS there really that much grunge influence on Pull? I do hear some thrash influence in there, especially on Junkyard Dog, but grunge? Not really. I suspect that this is one of those stories that have come to be after the fact.
@@kospandx I never said the album was grunge, but that it was a direct response to the grunge movement.
@@WillRock07 On what grounds? When it sounds nothing like grunge but has influences from thrash in it, you would think that is what it is a response to, right? I am not so sure that EVERYTHING that was made in the nineties that doesn't sound like it was made in the eighties had to be a response to grunge, and unless I am missing something, I think that this album is a perfect example.
@@kospandx What grounds? The whole point of this video is that all the Glam Metal bands had to adapt because of grunge. Nirvana opened the floodgates and completely changed the musical landscape and all these bands suddenly weren't getting airplay anymore. So they had to change. Doesn't mean they all went grunge but they had to find a way to fit in. As an example in this video, Bon Jovi didn't go grunge but don't think Grunge wasn't the cause of Bon Jovi's change.
A quote from Jon Bon Jovi - "We'd been kicked in the teeth by Nirvana, but we didn't pay attention to that. We got rid of the clichés, wrote some socially conscious lyrics and got a haircut. I didn't do a grunge thing and I didn't do a rap thing. But I knew I couldn't re-write 'Livin' on a Prayer' again, so I didn't try. And it paid off."
So yeah... with all of these bands, Winger included, it was a response to the Grunge movement. If Grunge never came along, and Glam Metal was still a big thing in the 90s and onwards, I guarantee you that they'd have continued doing what they were doing in the 80s.
@@WillRock07 In other words:
Major premise: Winger's Pull was a step in a heavier direction, with explicit references to thrash.
Minor premise: Jon Bon Jovi said in 2007 that they changed their sound because of grunge.
Conclusion: Winger wrote the Pull album as a response to grunge.
See the problem? At the time that Pull was written grunge was not the only game in town, and to claim that they were and that every album that didn't sound like it was recorded in 1988 HAD to be a response to grunge SPECIFICALLY, even when the evidence for it is as weak as this, is pretty poor history, don't you agree?
According to Warrant frontman Jani Lane, he remembers when he walked into Columbia Records HQ in New York City in 1990, where he found in the main lobby’s wall was a poster promoting their album, “Cherry Pie”.
Two or three years later, when “Dog Eat Dog”, their upcoming album, was about to be released, Lane visited Columbia Records again, only this time, there’s a poster promoting Alice in Chains’ newest album, “Dirt”.
Lane literally saw the writing on the wall, except it was a poster.