In e12s as example I have to press rampart 20% shadow wall 30% then tbn I barely live if healers don't cast anything on me between the 2 hits of tank busters. But overall tbn is great.
My only complaint about the Dark Knight gameplay-wise is that you don't get Stalwart Soul(the second part of the AOE combo) until level 72. AOE feels terrible before that point, as you are just spamming one button while using your off globals. AOE flows really well once you get it.
this is seriously one of my biggest gripes as well. DRK AOE feels really nice at 72, but the fact that from lv 12 to 72, we only have 10 seconds of blood weapon and a measly 600mp from carve and spit to generate mana while in AOE makes it so clunky. I wish stalwart was moved to lv 40 to match the other tanks, as well as giving BW at lv 30 to help build mana with Flood, so that Edge can be moved to 35. it really would be one of the simplest changes to implement that wouldn't ruin the balance at lv 80, yet would make the level sync experience exponentially better. they could even give it a trait at lv 72 to buff its potency and mana generation, since it feels sort of underpowered for a lv 72 skill (which makes me think even more that it should be moved to lv 40)
Warriors: FELL CLEAVE! Dark Knight: tbn Warrior: * nods * fell cleave fell Dark: t. Bn. Tbn War: * laughs * cleeeeave Or simply put dark knights and warriors sound like freaking Pokemon. I love them for it.
I love DRK because of the play style of being busy with ogcd, it feels like a lowkey dps job but i still dont get why salty earth got heavily nerfed and not just removed from the game from how weak it is, also the dislikes are probably healers who hate healing LD
Have to add as a rule of thumb when running dungeons with a WHM, do not use TBN during WHM holy spams cause the aoe stuns will cause you not to take dmg thus wasting the TBN. Safe to use TBN when the mobs can no longer be stunned. I feel so bad whenever I see a DRK pop TBN while I'm spamming holy.
you have no idea how much i hated WHM in HW due to them spamming holy and me loosing on my mana regen which results in me not keeping up with aggro from lack of aoe skills
Yeah, I found this out the hard way after several runs. So much so that I'm beginning to hate that WHM icon. It's pure muscle memory to pop TBN when pulling. That and other healers bitch you out for not doing so ("lol ur bad not popping cooldowns xDDDD").
I don't know what is their problem. It's just Regen > Divine Benison + Assize > Spam Holy until Regen runs out. Most of the time mobs die just after that. What is hard about doing this that quite a handful of healers have a problem doing it?
Thanks for making this, I’m new to XIV and your tank videos have been extremely helpful and informative. I’ve been planning to pick up DRK as soon as I can so an up-to-date video is awesome.
Thank you for the great over-view! It's good to hear about the ups and downs of TBN (since you usually only hear the upsides). Defs sounds more strategic than just "you don't take damage anymore". Was thinking of leveling DRK as my alt tank and I think I'm gonna go for it! Especially since my static is heavily progging still currently.
anyone who is thinking about leveling drk, the questline was written by the same lady who wrote shadowbringers and is one of the best questlines in the game. it's really interesting and also gave me chills a few times
Glad you made this video. I have always had some thoughts about how to change Dark Knight and I would love your thoughts on it if you have the time. 1) Make it so that Edge, Flood, and TBN cost 2500 instead of 3000 and adjust the mana regen effects to give 500 instead of 600. This gives you whole extra cast which would be a huge impact on things. 2) Make abyssal drain have a 25 second cooldown. Since we already have budget IR might as well have Budget NF. This would help out greatly in dungeon pools as the healing is desperately needed as the class has no healing skills to make up for how much shielding we have. 3) I would make it so Salted Earth either A did more damage per tick as its long cool-down doesn't justify how its out damaged by GNB AOE dot and PLD, or B it had a secondary effect where you gained mp and or small life regen while its dot is active on a target. This adds more utility and could justify its 90 second CD. 4) Delirium like you mentioned is a worse IR in every way so I was thinking it would give you much more mana per use. This way you could throw out Edge and or Floods between each swing. 5) Living Dead like you said almost feels more like a Burden on healers then a button used to save your life and the pull. There should be a different draw back then heal to full my 140k hp in ten seconds while keeping everyone alive. Maybe make it so you gain a leaching effect and all your damage dealt out heals you. You then have to heal yourself back up through your damage out put to remove the doom effect? 6) TBN is far to punishing of a skill if it doesnt break. Its an awful feeling I think going from 7s to 10s could make a world of difference. 7) Lastly I would like Darks Arts to have more utility. Maybe Dark Arts can act like Infuriate when its active, so certain moves get enhanced properties like Guaranteed Critical Directs on Edge and Flood, or enhanced healing or MP regen on other moves. Sorry for the rambling these ideas have just been in my head for a while. Most of these probably arent great ideas but would like to hear any feedback you might have.
I ended up switching from Warrior to Dark Knight once Shadowbringers dropped because of how similar the two jobs became with their dps skill sets 🤣 Yes, I still miss those Fell Cleave crits, but nothing beats throwing the occasional TBN on your healer during those particularly spicy boss mechs to get a free Edge of Shadow in lol
Great video! One thing I wanted to throw out there is that tbn gets another point in it's already massive collum because you can put it on party members. Playing drk as off tank feels totally fine where as playing war as ot is a little awkward to me. This is actually what made me swap my main to drk. :D
I've been a dark knight main since its release in heavensward and while having living shadow and TBN is really great and all but I wish dark knight could go back to its heavensward days the job just hasnt been as strong as it used to be
DRK is a tank role that I've found relies a looooooot on the healer throughout ShB. If the healer is not that great, the DRK will probably suffer and die on big pulls. It's the one massive advantage that WAR and PLD have over it. Now with that being said, it's one of my favorite tanks because of how busy it is. And the job quest is god-tier
How can you have you the best dmg mitigation and rely on a healer at the same time? Ontop of that DRK has a handful of skills for healing, one being a part of their combo. Use your OGCDs....I've never had an issue with healers and easily can keep myself alive without making my healers work harder than they have too. Hate to be that guy, but the issue is you and not healers. You should be making your healers work less, not more. Invuls are a last resort for any tank, no excuse either to why you die.
I think the wording might be slightly off key but I get what you're saying. Drk needs more care than the other tanks. Tbn might be cool but a war with all their heals enables a healer to relax more and deal more damage. They do more dmg than a war , yeah but a wars healing saves on a healers mp usage and makes for better planning during raid which enables far more dps. Going from literally 7 or so regens to 0 makes a dramatic difference in dps
I want to call utter BS on relying a lot on healers. with the right timing on tbn and your mitigation skills, you could pretty much pull as hard as any other tank can
@@itsspookie Invuls in dungeons should not be only a last resort. You can plan your pulls with an invuln and have crazy value out of it. That being said, living dead is the worst one for that.
@@isateasane I've never had to use Living Dead in ANY dungeon as a DRK and I can wall to wall pull easily without over working my healers. Please explain to me how I can pull without Living Dead but you need it in your pull? Read your skills & use your cds accordingly, if you're relying on Invul in SIMPLE dungeons. You need to reflect on your own play style and not point blame to others. The only time a Tank should use an Invul in a dungeon is if dps is lacking on big pulls, you've popped ALL your mitigations, and the healer is literally out of mana.
Made me want to play DRK, which is impressive, considering I've fallen back in love with PLD ever since ShB dropped. Maybe I'll go edge all over some mobs.
I used to play FF XI and DK was one of my favorite classes. When I saw it introduced to 14 as a tank I initially said WTF but they soon became my favorite tank to play. They’re just SO. DAMN. COOL.
Thanks for the vid! I main Gnb. I leveled War and Drk looking for a secondary tank to play. Ended up like Drk way more than War (playstyle felt really clise to Gnb's for me). I am waaaay too addicted to uaing TBN tho >_> I really like ur point of it scaling with ur gear. How I viewed it when I was in dungeons and fights where it stopped breaking was mitigation anyway. Zero damage done to me is still a bonus. But yeah, always nice to get the dark arts off, or completely ignore Tank Busters and get rewarded with a free Edge or Flood.
I love the UCoB greatsword more than the UWU one; UWU looked pretty good before Shadowbringer,s but Edge/Flood of Shadow make it look like it's a nidhogg weapon clipping through it. But if you're not an Ultimate clearing DRK, Balmung (the sword) fits a lot of the animations really really nicely, and I do recommend checking it out.
I've never been one to care about my personal dps as a tank. I never really go through farms nor do I try to beat things as quickly as possible. So when my Blackest Night doesnt break my brain sees it as "I was completely invincible for 7 seconds!" though it sucks when you're trying to re-up darkside.
this is off topic but now that i think about it, any job that can summon a pet right now should have the ability to merge with it for a set time at lvl 90 to unlock a special rotation for like 20-25 seconds
i miss running through eureka just spamming abyssal drain on the biggest pulls known to man while regaining mana through that one skill that regenerated mana upon being hit
I love the dark knights particle effects, but I just can't stand how weightless it feels. Warriors attacks feel like they have impact, same with GNB idk maybe thats just me. Nice video though, maybe I'll try to learn DRK more.
Yeah I agree, the combo skills do feel like they carry weight though, the sword is dragging you along when you swing it. Bloodspiller though... I hate it.
I finally got DRK to 70 and got TBN, but damn... The 60-70 levels right now feel extremely bad. They are definitely missing some mitigation and/or sustain tools at those levels. I know it's only temporary, but I hope it gets fixed in Endwalker
Thank you for the video, Lynx. As a DRK main myself, it's pretty refreshing to hear all this come from a top tier raider. Haters can say what they will, but despite its drawbacks, DRK is in a good spot right now. I wouldn't say no to a small damage bump, but really the only thing that needs "fixed" with the job is LD. Convalescence *was* great for not having to rely on Benediction for a LD cleanse, and I'm still a little salty that SE took it away. I'd also like to see them give us Scourge back (if even just for E D G E/animation's sake), but that's a bit of a dream.
I miss sole survivor, LD is a pain as all the other tanks can pull themselves out of there invun's but Drk, you end up walking dead you need a bene. No other tank needs that. Still, i have fallen for the job and love the lore even if at times I feel they gloss over how violent it really is. Came from pld and I haven't looked back.
I’ve been a drk main since stormblood. I love it. Although I got both the mounts so now I’m trying to get the gnb mounts. My only complaint with this job is the lack of self heals. Souleater is the highest when compared to the heal attacks from war and gnb. I’ve just done feats with war and pld that I never could have done with drk. Like I solo’d the final 5% of health of the final boss of amaurot as pld, completely absorbing 2 full blasts of apokolypsis because there were no steps thanks to hallowed ground and pally-heals as well as midgarsormr in alphascape synced. I’ve also solo’d bosses as war after the party died. Both feats I couldn’t have done as drk because of the self heals. Even though, I still love drk. It is just so fun and I love the concept of it all
I don't use TBN on myself as much anymore. I pick someone during aoe, usually caster or healer because the shield is based on the target's HP not my own, and cast it on them instead. Almost always breaks because most boss aoes hit for more than 25% of a caster's HP! Obviously needs to be done with a mind for the next incoming tankbuster, but that's just a practice thing.
Playing the most edglord DRK possible is my sweet middle age crisis. The only thing I really dislike about DRK is the fact that Stalwart Soul is lvl 72... c'mon SE.
me: ooh dark knight looks cool imma level that next even though i've literally never tanked before fc: start tanking with paladin or warrior me: hmm..... *how bout i do anyway*
You need a level 50 class whichever you decide to start dark knight job questline. Once the dark knight job is available for you to play, it starts at level 30.
Hey all! I'm a returner after 6 years. Left off as a 50 DRG back in ARR. Leveled up a SCH to do MSQ but have now fallen in love with DRK. I have a question about grit. I see that it reduces damage? But the current one just says increases enmity? Is there a reason to keep this off? I'm mainly doing the 50 and below dungeons. But was just wondering as I know that DRK has gone through huge changes and expansions already.
Tank stances were overhauled in Shadowbringers, now they only improve the enmity you generate, and don't reduce damage at all. The only reason you would want it off now is if you want to let the other tank have aggro.
every time I pop TBN and get the TB, not only do I receive no damage, I get a free dps ogcd, and every time that happens (pretty often) I find myself saying "mitigatiioonnn babyyyyy"
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All tanks are balanced at the moment. Finding the "best" depends on your play style and whether your new to the role of tanking. PLD I find is a beginner friendly tank has a decent healing skill and can block most attacks. WAR if you like big axes and is more or less a damage dealer, than a tank. DRK if you like how it looks and has the best shield (The Blackest Night) out of all the tanks. GNB is a good mix of tank and a dps. Just make sure you let your healer know to heal you after you use your invulnerability skill. If your having trouble deciding, look for job guides or give them a try in game.
Walking dead is a complicated debuff/buff you only need to receive heals equal to 100% of your current maximum health. You do not need to be at 100% max health before the debuff wears off. Hope this helps scholars and astrologians as you need to do is use strong healing CDs during it as dark knights take damage but will not count against the 100% healing received
I feel like another legitimate con of dark knight compared to the other tanks is just how reliant it is on healer support to function. Gunbreaker can kinda reasonably care for itself if the healer is not great or hurting. Paladin can outright just become the healer by itself. Warrior can reliably support itself AND the healer in a pinch. Not super important in raid content of course but I do think it’s worth a mention, especially after poor abyssal drain was cucked into the shadow realm.
Ahhhh. It's alright, but man they went about "balancing" DRK in the wonkiest way imaginable. I get why they thought putting Stalwart Soul so late was "fair" because we already have Flood of Shadows at that point, Salted Earth, Abyssal Drain and generic Decimate, but that killed the consistency of these abilities by having DRK mp generation in AoE situations awful and clunky until 72. Quietus is still just a disappointment. They removed the innate MP generation AND Blood Weapons mp generation specifically doesn't stack on multiple targets for "reasons?" Hell, I wouldn't mind Unleash, Unmend or Stalwart Soul costing MP if DRK could have that crazy MP generation it had before or upped the damage on them. And Abyssal Drain becoming an ogcd I don't really mind, again, it killed consistent AoE damage at that level though. But worst of all, it's pathetic on single targets for both damage and self healing. DRK already had another 60 second recast action that could've been their obligatory "tank self heal" in Blood Weapon since Blood Weapon heals anyway in other FF games. It could've been more of an active heal sort of deal that had a cure potency of 200 or 250 applied to each Weaponskill and spell landed under it's duration. So essentially it could reach a max cure potency of 1000 or 1250. And the self heal portion maybe was a trait you unlock in your Heavensward levels like PLD and WAR or right as you learn Living Dead. Because Living Dead is a reminder that not all healers are created equally in this game. It really sucks to throw your weight on the AST and SCH to heal you for for max HP. Frankly, the other tanks are all capable of getting their HP back up when they use their invuln and it feels so good to have a little self reliance as a tank. As for Abyssal Drain, it can instead become another avenue of MP generation every 60 seconds somewhat like Sol Survivor was when it got that Excog treatment. TBN has basically become to DRK what Trick Attack is to NIN. Memes and all. Except Trick Attack _gives_ damage opportunities while TBN _takes_ them away. And yes, as you get better gear, it does scale a little too well and becomes harder to break outside of tank busters (Dark Mind memes intensifies). I never asked for TBN to be this buffed. I don't think anyone did not was there any problems with it before. It worked fine as is during Stormblood and the other tanks as if late can survive content just as well as DRK without a super stronk shield. I'm not saying make TBN really weak, but it should be a better balance among DRK's kit of mitigation to give an overall consistent mitigation to all damage types. They can shave off TBN's shield from 25% of target's HP to be somewhere between 20% to 15%. Or reduce the MP cost on TBN to 2000.
All the tanks seem fun. What I mostly hear is that the Warrior job quests are rancid while the Dark Knight job quests are the best in the game, though.
as far as FF14 goes its useless to question if a class is good lol every class is awesome and has a place on FF14 that's what makes it the best MMO out there
in my static we run war dark ( i was the dark) and the healers keep asking for pld because they dont wana waste bene on LV. but now we changed things up and we have a PLD in TEA and now they are demanding DRK instead, the irony
im a dark knight main as well but you hit the nail on the head when you said ( want to annoy your healer ? "LIVING DEAD") i couldnt stop laughing at that part
I know this is a bit ubiquitous. But I don't like how we are kind of a discount WAR. Overall I like the ogcd gameplay. Drain abilities could be a bit more useful outside of dungeons. If they're going to make DRK an edgier WAR they might as well take the hp vampirism aspect and apply it 100 percent.
I used to main WAR from 4.2 when I first hit 70 right up until 5.1, and whilst the guaranteed crits for IR are great, the job now just feels too centred around them that everything else in the rotation is filler. I don't view DRK as a discount WAR, but instead a more rounded WAR with a great kit that balances fun OGCD's with unbeatable personal mitigation, Abyssal Drain needs way more love for dungeon pulls. The only thing I really miss is the weaker group mitigation compared to Shake it Off or Divine Vale. GNB has the same problem, but tbh when I play that I just go straight into selfish 'Blue DPS' mode (and that's why I love it!)
TBN is probably the only good thing left in DRK as in the previous expansions the Dark Knight was practically able to heal massive amounts of damage on Abyssal Drain along or a combo of Abyssal Drain and Dark Arts, now it's on a cooldown of 1 minute which is a long time in any battle especially when the Souleater combo doesn't give back as much health as it did in the previous expansions either, the damage on DRK's ultimate is disappointing and the only reason why I still main it myself was because I thought it'd be better than it was going to be when I chose to main it during leveling progression. Honestly I'd love to have the good old squishy tank of HW back over the slow combat that it is now, I picked it up originally in HW expansion 4 years ago because it was fast and had a fun balancing system of no and health which made it damn near invincible if a player knew how to pop their skills properly and I loved how I had more skills and spells to use than most people would know how to deal with. With my positive I'd take away with this current DRK, it's still a job I'd take over WAR and PLD, because of the creed and backstory I went through that I felt a immediate connection to, also I miss the original effect of Blood Price lol
In my personal opinion: PLD are best Main Tank WAR and DRK are flexible and make great either Main or Off Tank GNB are best Off Tank I played DRK when I Main Tank cause TBN is broken af and I play GBN when I’m Off Tanking cause the dps is nutty
the way you worded TBN's proc doesn't sound right. TBN doesn't refund (give back) mp.... it gives you a dark arts proc for edge/flood of shadow. also, walking dead doesn't require a full cure. just enough healing to equal your total hp amount, since, if your'e MT, you're still getting hit.
Some criticism when talking about MMORPGs that go through major changes, talk about the previous iterations that you have played(if possible) and if there is one iteration you can't talk about because you didn't play it, get someone who has and maybe make a discussion video between you and the guest. Now for the topic of DRK in Shadowbringers(WARNING: WALL OF TEXT INCOMING! TL;DR is I don't like DRK this expansion for personal reasons for those who don't care what I have to say): DRK in Shadowbringers lacks a lot of "oomph!" that it used to have in Heavensward and Stormblood, and this is mostly because of how streamlined the tanks are as a role in general which takes away the individuality of the different tanks, so and the only things I really agree on the DRK is the downsides and the glamour potential. Then again I'm one of the few "weirdos" that prefer enmity combos on DRK, PLD, and WAR over the changes that was made to to enmity on those 3 specifically just to make GNB look way better than it probably is. But enmity combo that DRK had back in Heavensward and Stormblood had that visual "oomph!" but in Stormblood Power Slash combo needed at a least a few buffs to make me stop complaining about how bad Shadowbringers DRK is, whereas Heavensward DRK was pretty balanced and had some skills that actually worked really well when double dipping into Dark Arts; most notably Dark Dance and Dark Passenger(the only set of skills I wish was made into one button for Dark Arts usage in Stormblood but that's a broken dream) and Sole Survivor didn't get attention until it got buffed and I wish it got a Trick Attack effect in Shadowbringers over being axed completely. Blood Weapon got nerfed HARD! And the removal of Blood Price was unnecessary, and I also would have prefered a rework that screams "DRK Skill/Ability" And the "Unique Job Gauges" for DRK just end up being visual bloat more than anything really. Living Shadow job gauge was probably originally designed to be based on Darkside timer but it has its own separate timer, which makes me not liking Living Shadow at all. A lot of DRKs problems now stems from "future button bloat" going into Stormblood and my expectation was "Okay so we're getting a lot of traits for the next expansion. I can live with that." But the removal traits just soured my Stormblood experience on top of a bunch of other issues that really burned me out almost completely if not for the enmity combos and Eureka weapon for DRK. But Shadowbringers DRK is so bad, I got rid of all of my DRK glamour that I had worked hard to actually get(because of BS RNG) because of how ashamed I at the job/class for what it had become...a literal shadow of what it once, a literal shadow of what it could have been, and a literal discount shadow clone of WAR... all in the name of accessibility...
Been maining drk dince heavens ward and isn't fun as before. And no resource managment is kinda meh. No more lines marks beewten good drk. And crap drk.
I find GBN far easier to play than DRK. GBN is stronger, smoother and more damage mitigation skills. But TBN is def the single best tank skill in the game, it’s just so damn good knowing you can take on a tank buster without taking damage.
I often feel like that recurring joke about edgy teenagers makes a lot of interesting thoughts put into the job's lore just go unnoticed. Lyricism and braindead pathos are not the same thing though.
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Putting up shadow wall and TBN during a tankbuster and taking no damage makes me feel like a king.
In easy content yes tbn is great
@@L1vinDed how does it hold up in hard content?
In e12s as example I have to press rampart 20% shadow wall 30% then tbn I barely live if healers don't cast anything on me between the 2 hits of tank busters. But overall tbn is great.
@@L1vinDed yeah. I hear tanks get slapped around a lot in e12s. I see that most tanks use their invulnerability for that double hit tank buster.
@@oscara8454 Unfortunately you cant use invuln on all of them it will be on cooldown
My only complaint about the Dark Knight gameplay-wise is that you don't get Stalwart Soul(the second part of the AOE combo) until level 72. AOE feels terrible before that point, as you are just spamming one button while using your off globals. AOE flows really well once you get it.
this is one of those things that makes me glad that I levelled DRK to cap during stormblood, the nerf to abyssal drain hurts pre lvl 72
Not getting Fated Circle on GNB till 72 is the same kind of feelsbadman
NolaBell at least GNB has bow shock and demon slice and slaughter to compensate till you get fated circle.
this is seriously one of my biggest gripes as well. DRK AOE feels really nice at 72, but the fact that from lv 12 to 72, we only have 10 seconds of blood weapon and a measly 600mp from carve and spit to generate mana while in AOE makes it so clunky. I wish stalwart was moved to lv 40 to match the other tanks, as well as giving BW at lv 30 to help build mana with Flood, so that Edge can be moved to 35. it really would be one of the simplest changes to implement that wouldn't ruin the balance at lv 80, yet would make the level sync experience exponentially better. they could even give it a trait at lv 72 to buff its potency and mana generation, since it feels sort of underpowered for a lv 72 skill (which makes me think even more that it should be moved to lv 40)
Started DRK bc I'm a Berserk fan, but stayed for Blackest Knight lmao.
Keep up the good work, Lynx!
If your sword isn't bigger than you are, you're swording WRONG BOI
Warriors: FELL CLEAVE!
Dark Knight: tbn
Warrior: * nods * fell cleave fell
Dark: t. Bn. Tbn
War: * laughs * cleeeeave
Or simply put dark knights and warriors sound like freaking Pokemon. I love them for it.
I have never despised something I agreed with so much.
I love DRK because of the play style of being busy with ogcd, it feels like a lowkey dps job but i still dont get why salty earth got heavily nerfed and not just removed from the game from how weak it is, also the dislikes are probably healers who hate healing LD
Have to add as a rule of thumb when running dungeons with a WHM, do not use TBN during WHM holy spams cause the aoe stuns will cause you not to take dmg thus wasting the TBN. Safe to use TBN when the mobs can no longer be stunned. I feel so bad whenever I see a DRK pop TBN while I'm spamming holy.
I shed a single tear when I see that tbn go up, after im done with that first swiftcast holy i take a moment to hug them for their loss 😂
you have no idea how much i hated WHM in HW due to them spamming holy and me loosing on my mana regen which results in me not keeping up with aggro from lack of aoe skills
The problem is some WHM don't Holy, or do it early enough for me to not press my cooldowns.
Yeah, I found this out the hard way after several runs. So much so that I'm beginning to hate that WHM icon. It's pure muscle memory to pop TBN when pulling. That and other healers bitch you out for not doing so ("lol ur bad not popping cooldowns xDDDD").
I don't know what is their problem. It's just Regen > Divine Benison + Assize > Spam Holy until Regen runs out. Most of the time mobs die just after that. What is hard about doing this that quite a handful of healers have a problem doing it?
Thanks for making this, I’m new to XIV and your tank videos have been extremely helpful and informative. I’ve been planning to pick up DRK as soon as I can so an up-to-date video is awesome.
Glad I could help!
@Dan the Axolotl DRK is the abbreviation for dark knight
@@Azeur He was responding to someone who called Lynx a name, the comment was removed though.
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Thank you for the great over-view! It's good to hear about the ups and downs of TBN (since you usually only hear the upsides). Defs sounds more strategic than just "you don't take damage anymore". Was thinking of leveling DRK as my alt tank and I think I'm gonna go for it! Especially since my static is heavily progging still currently.
anyone who is thinking about leveling drk, the questline was written by the same lady who wrote shadowbringers and is one of the best questlines in the game. it's really interesting and also gave me chills a few times
Watching your vids makes me want to level Dark Knight next!
Ah yes, the Dark Knight Idealized set. Otherwise known as the Batman set.
But is it dyed Gunmetal? O.O
@@MinzyKhaos I dont think its dyeable
Idealized is dyeable.. Weathered isn't.
The crazy part is as the game goes on, if they dont tweak TBN then DRK is going to get better and better. As our health grows, so does that shield
Good. Let's keep it that way.
I mean, so does the damage of the enemies
All those tankbusters in SB hitting dps for 100k+ will be easily survivable by the end of ShB
Kinda scary to think about
I wont say "better" since if the shield don't break you don't get your mp back...
So does the damage. It is balanced.
Glad you made this video. I have always had some thoughts about how to change Dark Knight and I would love your thoughts on it if you have the time.
1) Make it so that Edge, Flood, and TBN cost 2500 instead of 3000 and adjust the mana regen effects to give 500 instead of 600. This gives you whole extra cast which would be a huge impact on things.
2) Make abyssal drain have a 25 second cooldown. Since we already have budget IR might as well have Budget NF. This would help out greatly in dungeon pools as the healing is desperately needed as the class has no healing skills to make up for how much shielding we have.
3) I would make it so Salted Earth either A did more damage per tick as its long cool-down doesn't justify how its out damaged by GNB AOE dot and PLD, or B it had a secondary effect where you gained mp and or small life regen while its dot is active on a target. This adds more utility and could justify its 90 second CD.
4) Delirium like you mentioned is a worse IR in every way so I was thinking it would give you much more mana per use. This way you could throw out Edge and or Floods between each swing.
5) Living Dead like you said almost feels more like a Burden on healers then a button used to save your life and the pull. There should be a different draw back then heal to full my 140k hp in ten seconds while keeping everyone alive. Maybe make it so you gain a leaching effect and all your damage dealt out heals you. You then have to heal yourself back up through your damage out put to remove the doom effect?
6) TBN is far to punishing of a skill if it doesnt break. Its an awful feeling I think going from 7s to 10s could make a world of difference.
7) Lastly I would like Darks Arts to have more utility. Maybe Dark Arts can act like Infuriate when its active, so certain moves get enhanced properties like Guaranteed Critical Directs on Edge and Flood, or enhanced healing or MP regen on other moves.
Sorry for the rambling these ideas have just been in my head for a while. Most of these probably arent great ideas but would like to hear any feedback you might have.
I ended up switching from Warrior to Dark Knight once Shadowbringers dropped because of how similar the two jobs became with their dps skill sets 🤣 Yes, I still miss those Fell Cleave crits, but nothing beats throwing the occasional TBN on your healer during those particularly spicy boss mechs to get a free Edge of Shadow in lol
Great video! One thing I wanted to throw out there is that tbn gets another point in it's already massive collum because you can put it on party members. Playing drk as off tank feels totally fine where as playing war as ot is a little awkward to me. This is actually what made me swap my main to drk. :D
Warrior is definitely a main tank since their nascent flash heals them more than the person they give it to
Lynx Kameli not to mention vengeance is not just a 30% dmg reduction unlike sentinel, nebula and shadow wall.
My only complaint about fully level DRK is delirium. I don't know what to change it too, but it's too similar to Warrior's inner release.
Really like your tank vids. Is it wierd I just watched them all back to back to back.....? You put them together really well, thanks.
I've been a dark knight main since its release in heavensward and while having living shadow and TBN is really great and all but I wish dark knight could go back to its heavensward days the job just hasnt been as strong as it used to be
DRK is a tank role that I've found relies a looooooot on the healer throughout ShB. If the healer is not that great, the DRK will probably suffer and die on big pulls. It's the one massive advantage that WAR and PLD have over it.
Now with that being said, it's one of my favorite tanks because of how busy it is. And the job quest is god-tier
How can you have you the best dmg mitigation and rely on a healer at the same time? Ontop of that DRK has a handful of skills for healing, one being a part of their combo.
Use your OGCDs....I've never had an issue with healers and easily can keep myself alive without making my healers work harder than they have too.
Hate to be that guy, but the issue is you and not healers. You should be making your healers work less, not more.
Invuls are a last resort for any tank, no excuse either to why you die.
I think the wording might be slightly off key but I get what you're saying. Drk needs more care than the other tanks. Tbn might be cool but a war with all their heals enables a healer to relax more and deal more damage. They do more dmg than a war , yeah but a wars healing saves on a healers mp usage and makes for better planning during raid which enables far more dps. Going from literally 7 or so regens to 0 makes a dramatic difference in dps
I want to call utter BS on relying a lot on healers. with the right timing on tbn and your mitigation skills, you could pretty much pull as hard as any other tank can
@@itsspookie Invuls in dungeons should not be only a last resort. You can plan your pulls with an invuln and have crazy value out of it. That being said, living dead is the worst one for that.
@@isateasane I've never had to use Living Dead in ANY dungeon as a DRK and I can wall to wall pull easily without over working my healers. Please explain to me how I can pull without Living Dead but you need it in your pull?
Read your skills & use your cds accordingly, if you're relying on Invul in SIMPLE dungeons. You need to reflect on your own play style and not point blame to others.
The only time a Tank should use an Invul in a dungeon is if dps is lacking on big pulls, you've popped ALL your mitigations, and the healer is literally out of mana.
Made me want to play DRK, which is impressive, considering I've fallen back in love with PLD ever since ShB dropped. Maybe I'll go edge all over some mobs.
I used to play FF XI and DK was one of my favorite classes. When I saw it introduced to 14 as a tank I initially said WTF but they soon became my favorite tank to play. They’re just SO. DAMN. COOL.
Hi!! broo can you please put the names of those greatswords you talk about!! i didnt understand quite well the names! please! and ty(:
Really interesting Video! Keep going, pog! 👍🏼
You're pog!
On point man love the vid keep it up
Glad you enjoyed
Thanks for the vid!
I main Gnb. I leveled War and Drk looking for a secondary tank to play. Ended up like Drk way more than War (playstyle felt really clise to Gnb's for me).
I am waaaay too addicted to uaing TBN tho >_>
I really like ur point of it scaling with ur gear. How I viewed it when I was in dungeons and fights where it stopped breaking was mitigation anyway. Zero damage done to me is still a bonus. But yeah, always nice to get the dark arts off, or completely ignore Tank Busters and get rewarded with a free Edge or Flood.
I love the UCoB greatsword more than the UWU one; UWU looked pretty good before Shadowbringer,s but Edge/Flood of Shadow make it look like it's a nidhogg weapon clipping through it.
But if you're not an Ultimate clearing DRK, Balmung (the sword) fits a lot of the animations really really nicely, and I do recommend checking it out.
Eww the ucob greatsword aka the yellow letter opener! XD
Hey man really good video my only criticism is you forgot to mention this crazy ability called The Blackest Night ever heard of it?
Holy shit I can't believe I left that out of the video you're right I'll make an updated one tomorrow and include The Blackest Night
I love dork knight with all my heart, but pld is just so good at keeping itself alive when it all goes to shit
Does anyone know which race looks best as a dark knight?
What’s the blue white sword at the end
Amazing video... Thank you so much !!!
Glad you liked it!
I've never been one to care about my personal dps as a tank. I never really go through farms nor do I try to beat things as quickly as possible. So when my Blackest Night doesnt break my brain sees it as "I was completely invincible for 7 seconds!" though it sucks when you're trying to re-up darkside.
this is off topic but now that i think about it, any job that can summon a pet right now should have the ability to merge with it for a set time at lvl 90 to unlock a special rotation for like 20-25 seconds
What is the blue weapon in the thumbnail
Deathbringer Ultima
i miss running through eureka just spamming abyssal drain on the biggest pulls known to man while regaining mana through that one skill that regenerated mana upon being hit
I love the dark knights particle effects, but I just can't stand how weightless it feels. Warriors attacks feel like they have impact, same with GNB idk maybe thats just me. Nice video though, maybe I'll try to learn DRK more.
Yeah I agree, the combo skills do feel like they carry weight though, the sword is dragging you along when you swing it. Bloodspiller though... I hate it.
Kinda feels/looks like drks can barely swing their weapon because it's too heavy lol
well maybe they use magic to assist with swinging their weapons
@@Runeknight101 the dark magic perhaps. I just think how it was in FFXI but w FFXIV effects.
the video ive been waiting for but never asked for
I finally got DRK to 70 and got TBN, but damn... The 60-70 levels right now feel extremely bad. They are definitely missing some mitigation and/or sustain tools at those levels. I know it's only temporary, but I hope it gets fixed in Endwalker
What is the sword used in the beginning of the video?
Thank you for the video, Lynx. As a DRK main myself, it's pretty refreshing to hear all this come from a top tier raider. Haters can say what they will, but despite its drawbacks, DRK is in a good spot right now. I wouldn't say no to a small damage bump, but really the only thing that needs "fixed" with the job is LD. Convalescence *was* great for not having to rely on Benediction for a LD cleanse, and I'm still a little salty that SE took it away. I'd also like to see them give us Scourge back (if even just for E D G E/animation's sake), but that's a bit of a dream.
I really loved heavensward's delirium animation
petition to replace soul eater animation with pwr slash/scourge
I miss sole survivor, LD is a pain as all the other tanks can pull themselves out of there invun's but Drk, you end up walking dead you need a bene. No other tank needs that.
Still, i have fallen for the job and love the lore even if at times I feel they gloss over how violent it really is. Came from pld and I haven't looked back.
@@TheComradeuri honestly if they took off abyssal drain's absurd CD massive pulls that had tank busters would at least be more manageable
Just found your channel, I love your videos, keep up the good work 😊
I’ve been a drk main since stormblood. I love it. Although I got both the mounts so now I’m trying to get the gnb mounts. My only complaint with this job is the lack of self heals. Souleater is the highest when compared to the heal attacks from war and gnb. I’ve just done feats with war and pld that I never could have done with drk.
Like I solo’d the final 5% of health of the final boss of amaurot as pld, completely absorbing 2 full blasts of apokolypsis because there were no steps thanks to hallowed ground and pally-heals as well as midgarsormr in alphascape synced. I’ve also solo’d bosses as war after the party died. Both feats I couldn’t have done as drk because of the self heals.
Even though, I still love drk. It is just so fun and I love the concept of it all
the ms paint bit made me subscribe.
Thanks i put a lot of work into that segment
between DRK and GnB which one has the best glamours for you?? And which one uses the most skills? I like to stay active and look good too haha
what weapon glamor is that?
I am new to FF14, I just leveled up my GLD/PLD.
I was on the fence between DK and MRD/WAR, which one would be better to level up first?
I don't use TBN on myself as much anymore. I pick someone during aoe, usually caster or healer because the shield is based on the target's HP not my own, and cast it on them instead. Almost always breaks because most boss aoes hit for more than 25% of a caster's HP! Obviously needs to be done with a mind for the next incoming tankbuster, but that's just a practice thing.
"Well, CLEARLY, if I main it." Ok, I laughed.
Playing the most edglord DRK possible is my sweet middle age crisis. The only thing I really dislike about DRK is the fact that Stalwart Soul is lvl 72... c'mon SE.
How is DRK solo potential compared to other tanks, especially Paladin ?
Hey. Nice videos. You should make a playlist for this series so its easier to folliw
Good idea
That MS paint math lesson was great
What sword is that in the video? Leveling a drk now
me: ooh dark knight looks cool imma level that next even though i've literally never tanked before
fc: start tanking with paladin or warrior
me: hmm.....
*how bout i do anyway*
I started with gunbreaker
B3ardeDragon ho boi
@@lilrockstar8170 the downside is every other tank job seems much slower paced.
So question I'm a new player can I unlock dk at level 30? Or do I have to get to level 50?
You need a level 50 class whichever you decide to start dark knight job questline. Once the dark knight job is available for you to play, it starts at level 30.
Hey all! I'm a returner after 6 years. Left off as a 50 DRG back in ARR. Leveled up a SCH to do MSQ but have now fallen in love with DRK. I have a question about grit. I see that it reduces damage? But the current one just says increases enmity? Is there a reason to keep this off? I'm mainly doing the 50 and below dungeons. But was just wondering as I know that DRK has gone through huge changes and expansions already.
Tank stances were overhauled in Shadowbringers, now they only improve the enmity you generate, and don't reduce damage at all.
The only reason you would want it off now is if you want to let the other tank have aggro.
TBN: suffering from sucess
every time I pop TBN and get the TB, not only do I receive no damage, I get a free dps ogcd, and every time that happens (pretty often) I find myself saying "mitigatiioonnn babyyyyy"
Having a great time playing it and want all the cool greatswords. Do you have any guides covering rotations?
Want to annoy your healer LEAVING DEAD!
i find super bolide more annoying
Would u mind telling me the Ost u used in the background (asked by a Drk main)
They're just a couple of copyright-free metal songs I found on youtube. I don't remember the exact songs but searching copyright-free metal should help you find them pretty quick.
@@NamesLynx thanks Budd' and awesome video!
Im new to this game this month , which tank is the best , or are they somewhat balanced
All tanks are balanced at the moment. Finding the "best" depends on your play style and whether your new to the role of tanking. PLD I find is a beginner friendly tank has a decent healing skill and can block most attacks. WAR if you like big axes and is more or less a damage dealer, than a tank. DRK if you like how it looks and has the best shield (The Blackest Night) out of all the tanks. GNB is a good mix of tank and a dps. Just make sure you let your healer know to heal you after you use your invulnerability skill. If your having trouble deciding, look for job guides or give them a try in game.
I'm really looking forward to your take on Paladin. Do you think you'll make one?
Yes!
Walking dead is a complicated debuff/buff you only need to receive heals equal to 100% of your current maximum health. You do not need to be at 100% max health before the debuff wears off. Hope this helps scholars and astrologians as you need to do is use strong healing CDs during it as dark knights take damage but will not count against the 100% healing received
Are you planning on doing Palading and gunbreaker next? I would like to see that
Gunbreaker then paladin most likely
I feel like another legitimate con of dark knight compared to the other tanks is just how reliant it is on healer support to function. Gunbreaker can kinda reasonably care for itself if the healer is not great or hurting. Paladin can outright just become the healer by itself. Warrior can reliably support itself AND the healer in a pinch. Not super important in raid content of course but I do think it’s worth a mention, especially after poor abyssal drain was cucked into the shadow realm.
Ahhhh. It's alright, but man they went about "balancing" DRK in the wonkiest way imaginable. I get why they thought putting Stalwart Soul so late was "fair" because we already have Flood of Shadows at that point, Salted Earth, Abyssal Drain and generic Decimate, but that killed the consistency of these abilities by having DRK mp generation in AoE situations awful and clunky until 72. Quietus is still just a disappointment. They removed the innate MP generation AND Blood Weapons mp generation specifically doesn't stack on multiple targets for "reasons?" Hell, I wouldn't mind Unleash, Unmend or Stalwart Soul costing MP if DRK could have that crazy MP generation it had before or upped the damage on them. And Abyssal Drain becoming an ogcd I don't really mind, again, it killed consistent AoE damage at that level though. But worst of all, it's pathetic on single targets for both damage and self healing. DRK already had another 60 second recast action that could've been their obligatory "tank self heal" in Blood Weapon since Blood Weapon heals anyway in other FF games. It could've been more of an active heal sort of deal that had a cure potency of 200 or 250 applied to each Weaponskill and spell landed under it's duration. So essentially it could reach a max cure potency of 1000 or 1250. And the self heal portion maybe was a trait you unlock in your Heavensward levels like PLD and WAR or right as you learn Living Dead. Because Living Dead is a reminder that not all healers are created equally in this game. It really sucks to throw your weight on the AST and SCH to heal you for for max HP. Frankly, the other tanks are all capable of getting their HP back up when they use their invuln and it feels so good to have a little self reliance as a tank. As for Abyssal Drain, it can instead become another avenue of MP generation every 60 seconds somewhat like Sol Survivor was when it got that Excog treatment.
TBN has basically become to DRK what Trick Attack is to NIN. Memes and all. Except Trick Attack _gives_ damage opportunities while TBN _takes_ them away. And yes, as you get better gear, it does scale a little too well and becomes harder to break outside of tank busters (Dark Mind memes intensifies). I never asked for TBN to be this buffed. I don't think anyone did not was there any problems with it before. It worked fine as is during Stormblood and the other tanks as if late can survive content just as well as DRK without a super stronk shield. I'm not saying make TBN really weak, but it should be a better balance among DRK's kit of mitigation to give an overall consistent mitigation to all damage types. They can shave off TBN's shield from 25% of target's HP to be somewhere between 20% to 15%. Or reduce the MP cost on TBN to 2000.
I agree with this so much
Sword name in the thumbnail?
Deathbringer Ultima
Lynx Kameli thank you !
All the tanks seem fun. What I mostly hear is that the Warrior job quests are rancid while the Dark Knight job quests are the best in the game, though.
as far as FF14 goes its useless to question if a class is good lol every class is awesome and has a place on FF14 that's what makes it the best MMO out there
Tfw when you blink and your tank is at 1hp :sweats:
YOOOO, that sword looks hella cool. What is it called?!
My favorite tank is gun breaker I like drk but I hate diet inner release it doesn’t feel good in my opinion mostly because the ping issues.
Ooc, what’s your gcd speed when playing Dark Knight?
Right now 2.40, but it depends on the tier and what the raid bosses are catered towards
I had a friend say that Paladin was the best tank, I think Dark Knight is.
Tier List wise, Paladin is. Everything else wise, they're wrong.
As a healer, Paladin make me wet, but drk's living dead stressed me. Love it when paladin heal me. XD
in my static we run war dark ( i was the dark) and the healers keep asking for pld because they dont wana waste bene on LV. but now we changed things up and we have a PLD in TEA and now they are demanding DRK instead, the irony
im a dark knight main as well but you hit the nail on the head when you said ( want to annoy your healer ? "LIVING DEAD") i couldnt stop laughing at that part
I know this is a bit ubiquitous.
But I don't like how we are kind of a discount WAR.
Overall I like the ogcd gameplay. Drain abilities could be a bit more useful outside of dungeons. If they're going to make DRK an edgier WAR they might as well take the hp vampirism aspect and apply it 100 percent.
Magic Warrior drk may have discount war skill but drk is finding a lot more use than WAR
I used to main WAR from 4.2 when I first hit 70 right up until 5.1, and whilst the guaranteed crits for IR are great, the job now just feels too centred around them that everything else in the rotation is filler.
I don't view DRK as a discount WAR, but instead a more rounded WAR with a great kit that balances fun OGCD's with unbeatable personal mitigation, Abyssal Drain needs way more love for dungeon pulls. The only thing I really miss is the weaker group mitigation compared to Shake it Off or Divine Vale.
GNB has the same problem, but tbh when I play that I just go straight into selfish 'Blue DPS' mode (and that's why I love it!)
WillE Wants his title back
TBN is probably the only good thing left in DRK as in the previous expansions the Dark Knight was practically able to heal massive amounts of damage on Abyssal Drain along or a combo of Abyssal Drain and Dark Arts, now it's on a cooldown of 1 minute which is a long time in any battle especially when the Souleater combo doesn't give back as much health as it did in the previous expansions either, the damage on DRK's ultimate is disappointing and the only reason why I still main it myself was because I thought it'd be better than it was going to be when I chose to main it during leveling progression. Honestly I'd love to have the good old squishy tank of HW back over the slow combat that it is now, I picked it up originally in HW expansion 4 years ago because it was fast and had a fun balancing system of no and health which made it damn near invincible if a player knew how to pop their skills properly and I loved how I had more skills and spells to use than most people would know how to deal with.
With my positive I'd take away with this current DRK, it's still a job I'd take over WAR and PLD, because of the creed and backstory I went through that I felt a immediate connection to, also I miss the original effect of Blood Price lol
my favorite greatsword is the zurvanite greatsword.
More vids covering the other classes plz
okay
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING!
In my personal opinion:
PLD are best Main Tank
WAR and DRK are flexible and make great either Main or Off Tank
GNB are best Off Tank
I played DRK when I Main Tank cause TBN is broken af and I play GBN when I’m Off Tanking cause the dps is nutty
DRK is a great tank overall. It just has the worst invul of the tanks.
I would remove salted earth and bring back power slash as a dot ;d
the way you worded TBN's proc doesn't sound right. TBN doesn't refund (give back) mp.... it gives you a dark arts proc for edge/flood of shadow. also, walking dead doesn't require a full cure. just enough healing to equal your total hp amount, since, if your'e MT, you're still getting hit.
Lol. Inside there’s pain and emotion haha... drk is pretty fun. Enjoy their gauge and mp management
Dork Knight: I'm edgy!
Dork Knight story line: But the answer is LOOOOVE~!
This is *MOTIVATION*
Some criticism when talking about MMORPGs that go through major changes, talk about the previous iterations that you have played(if possible) and if there is one iteration you can't talk about because you didn't play it, get someone who has and maybe make a discussion video between you and the guest.
Now for the topic of DRK in Shadowbringers(WARNING: WALL OF TEXT INCOMING! TL;DR is I don't like DRK this expansion for personal reasons for those who don't care what I have to say):
DRK in Shadowbringers lacks a lot of "oomph!" that it used to have in Heavensward and Stormblood, and this is mostly because of how streamlined the tanks are as a role in general which takes away the individuality of the different tanks, so and the only things I really agree on the DRK is the downsides and the glamour potential.
Then again I'm one of the few "weirdos" that prefer enmity combos on DRK, PLD, and WAR over the changes that was made to to enmity on those 3 specifically just to make GNB look way better than it probably is.
But enmity combo that DRK had back in Heavensward and Stormblood had that visual "oomph!" but in Stormblood Power Slash combo needed at a least a few buffs to make me stop complaining about how bad Shadowbringers DRK is, whereas Heavensward DRK was pretty balanced and had some skills that actually worked really well when double dipping into Dark Arts; most notably Dark Dance and Dark Passenger(the only set of skills I wish was made into one button for Dark Arts usage in Stormblood but that's a broken dream) and Sole Survivor didn't get attention until it got buffed and I wish it got a Trick Attack effect in Shadowbringers over being axed completely.
Blood Weapon got nerfed HARD! And the removal of Blood Price was unnecessary, and I also would have prefered a rework that screams "DRK Skill/Ability"
And the "Unique Job Gauges" for DRK just end up being visual bloat more than anything really. Living Shadow job gauge was probably originally designed to be based on Darkside timer but it has its own separate timer, which makes me not liking Living Shadow at all.
A lot of DRKs problems now stems from "future button bloat" going into Stormblood and my expectation was "Okay so we're getting a lot of traits for the next expansion. I can live with that." But the removal traits just soured my Stormblood experience on top of a bunch of other issues that really burned me out almost completely if not for the enmity combos and Eureka weapon for DRK.
But Shadowbringers DRK is so bad, I got rid of all of my DRK glamour that I had worked hard to actually get(because of BS RNG) because of how ashamed I at the job/class for what it had become...a literal shadow of what it once, a literal shadow of what it could have been, and a literal discount shadow clone of WAR... all in the name of accessibility...
Dark Knight a.k.a "tankbuster? the fuck is that?" job
Too bad classes with no shields are tanks... I was forced to play Lancer to dps instead of Marauder. Well I just must learn diffrences.
Been maining drk dince heavens ward and isn't fun as before. And no resource managment is kinda meh. No more lines marks beewten good drk. And crap drk.
Comments, for the algorithm
I find GBN far easier to play than DRK. GBN is stronger, smoother and more damage mitigation skills. But TBN is def the single best tank skill in the game, it’s just so damn good knowing you can take on a tank buster without taking damage.
dw, if your tbn isnt breaking, all you have to do is PULL MORE, HIT MORE, KILL MORE, TAKE MORE AOE
I often feel like that recurring joke about edgy teenagers makes a lot of interesting thoughts put into the job's lore just go unnoticed. Lyricism and braindead pathos are not the same thing though.
All these tools and yet we're still outpowered by a off-tank-on-paper (Paladin) and a selfish tank class (Gunbreaker).