Hi all, a bit of a late upload this week because Tuesday was my birthday so I took some time off. I am now the big 22 which means I have no more age milestones to look forward to! Hooray... Anyways I hope you enjoy listening to my take on the "why I quit WoW" videos, as I am not your average FF14 story enjoyer and have a bit of a unique perspective. Thanks for watching :)
Gratz on the double digits Birthday 🥳 at 22! We honestly needs more of your unique and rarer perspective as both a high end player and content creator. Few creators occupy this space!
One often overlooked fact is that while old raid tiers are no longer relevant gear wise, you can go back to any of the old raid tiers and play them similarly to how they were when they were current content by using the minimum item level sync. If you're here for the challenge, there's tons of content you can get into.
And to some, this old content is STILL relevant! There are titles and equipment to earn that you can't get anywhere else for Glamour purposes. These titles and equipment signify to anyone who has been playing a while what you had to do in order to get it. It doesn't hurt that the equipment itself makes you look pretty awesome, either. Even if it isn't "current endgame" gear.
"When moving onto ultimate raids, It gets even crazier. Ultimate raids are, without a doubt, the hardest pieces of raiding content ever conceived in an MMO." *Alexander Prime casts Wormhole Formation* Yeah this guy knows.
@@NamesLynx The hard part of these videos is showing all the things you did/didn't do that would have immediately killed everyone. Like someone needs to take an ultimate clear video and say "yeah might look like he was just standing there, but if this guy was five inches in any other direction, everyone dies" Didn't hit Arm's Length? Give Living Liquid my regards.
Only things I can think would come close are the pre nerf versions of mythic end bosses in wow that only the top guilds really get to play with. Awesome video, you make me hyped to come back to ff14
is Ultimate really harder than Mythic? I havent played WoW but I swear to god this is one of the most mixed opinions ive seen in the comparisons between the games. Some say ultimate is harder others say mythic is harder
@@Wombeyy From what I've seen, people are always biased to their own games, as a ffxiv player I've never wanted to be biased as I just assumed WoW had a equivalent to ultimate. But hearing from vets of WoW who have done ultimates they seem to always say ultimate is on another level. I've done ultimates myself and after looking up Mythic gameplay idk... it looks more like a 4th fight savage level difficulty.
So I was in a top 50 US 200 world guild during wotlk and cata. I quit hardcore raiding after cata and with every wow xpac I buy it, try to commit to a more casual raiding guild/schedule and I'll be into it for the first tier of the xpac. Then.. the reality of the grind for resources in modern wow hits me and I give up on it before the second raid drops. Every time. I've heard a lot of talk about ff14 in passing, but I remember playing shortly after ARR came out, I played the tank class and the monotonous nature of any tanking class in the early game combined with the slow GCD made me give up. On the advice of a coworker and being on a classic final fantasy kick at the moment, I just picked up the game, initially with the free trial and now after playing again and watching these types or videos, I am extremely excited to get deep into this game. I picked possibly thr best and worst time to start playing (leaning toward worst with these queue times) as endwalker just came out. I refuse to boost so I do kind of wish I was already max level so I could be into the current shit with the crowd but I'm happy with the game I'm playing now. I'm looking forward to actually investing in raiding again because of the presence of pros and lack of cons you listed here. I'm fucking stoked
@@kiiturii I've seen the complaint enough to know it's not uncommon. It ranges from gearing being too straightforward, to substats being meaningless, crit being too important, lack of skill expression due to homogenization and inability to equip weapons other than the main one for your job. I personally don't mind it, i can see how it can be a bit dull, but i also realize that the price to pay for a more complex system would be balance. I also don't really care if my class underperforms, but lack of balance often means illusion of choice, skills that are never used, nerds obsessing over a meaningless meta.
it's a positive thing if you don't care about having to worry too much about gearing and just want to raid or play the game. It's a negative for people looking for more complexities in their gearing. It can be good or bad.
They only see the negative because they don't understand the concept of Job system. It is meant to gear you faster so that you are encouraged to move on to gear your next jobs. By the time you have geared all the jobs, I'd be surprise if anyone craves to do more.
there's def a huge idealization of high complexity systems. In the end having too many cute things just mean you need to go get the one that is the best. Also means more stuff to get, so more time spent playing. Devs have said so many times they are happy with player retention right now and would rather not increase it to allow people to take breaks. In my eyes the variety we get out of 14 is the ability to play any job anytime. We don't need obscure pieces of gear to achieve gameplay variety, it's built in the job system already
This is a pretty good encapsulation of why I love xiv. I'm also really into the story/lore, but without challenging gameplay it wouldn't be nearly as fun for me. My static just cleared TEA this week and it was such a rush I couldn't sleep. I skipped ultimates in SB but I'm really excited to tackle them with the group next week.
I always have a hard time trying to explain just how wonderfully challenging FFXIV fights can be. The issue is that you can't really digest the dozens of hours of wipes because one person took one step to the left when they shouldn't have in order to convince someone of it. The popular content creators only catch videos where everything is going perfectly and the consequences of errors are never seen. It really is something you just have to experience for yourself in order to understand. Great video, hope it gains traction!
Just always enjoy your perspective as a true high end caliber player. I’m always left wanting more in perspective as well Tanking. While their are many FF content creators and less as compared to WoW content creators their are seemingly few FF14 content creators with your particular perspective at the very high end as well often as a Tank. From a player as such we need more perspective that can help never players to the game ongoing. I’ve kindly asked Rin over on his channel who you had on your channel before as a guest to try and share his perspectives as well which again can help so many newer players. I just don’t know if he will. But never hurts to kindly ask!
Dude some one needs to share this with Asmongold! This really explains things quite well for people who are more end game oriented which is just as fair a way to play the game even if it's not how I prefer to play it.
Definitely feel like Asmon has only really been provided w the casual perspective on things, which isn't at all a good representation of how raiding actually is for those who are more interested in high-end content (which is seemingly what he has more interest in) so yeah, really appreciate Lynx's perspective here and think Asmon should watch it!
hey i totally skip ARR MSQ, some quest i just skip it and i'm having a blast in game. Garuda extreme is the one main reason why the game is so good to me. Then the rest is history.
Guys, please tweet/share this with Asmongold and/or others. Most people only talk about the casual experience of FFXIV, but I think he (and others like him) would enjoy listening to this perspective so much.
Just this!!! Other FF14 content creators are too focused on casual gameplay. When I told a WoW player from my guild that Ultimate fights on FF are harder than aything we had seen in WoW, he doubted me. Its also funny to watch WoW youtubers like Bellular, Asmon, etc, implying that FF14 is for casuals. WoW players in general should really watch this video. The fact that FF14 endgame can catter a lot of casual players with a variaty of activities, doesnt mean It's not a game with hardcore content. Now I am like you... cant play any other MMO because FF14 spoilled me.
I think the reason why so many people are saying that FF14 is more casual it's because raiding isn't the main focus of the game. Not that it's completely secondary but game simply expects that you will play it in your own, and more relaxed pace (I'm saying more about while-not-in-a-raid type of scenario) and, as result, it is much easier for casual players to get a hold of combat, role, how and what to do etc. etc. So yes, FF14 is WAY friendlier for casuals, but it doesn't mean it can't kick you in the nuts when it wants to.
During Pandaria I had a WoW friend trying FFXIV and OH BOY his screams dying at Titan EX were delicious "BUT HOW DO YOU DODGE THIS WITHOUT DEADLY BOSS MODS CALLS???"
why should WoW players believe someone that has never cleared end game mythic bosses? worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/malganis/kameli/achievements/feats-of-strength/raids
Honestly it just sounds like FF XIV respects your time and isn't afraid to tell the player that they're done and achieved something. Much better than the perpetual engagement-driven nonsense like borrowed power systems. Thanks for making this video, I needed to know there was something in the game for the sweaty boy I am.
well the game indeed designed to respect player time. it doesnt force player to keep playing all the time. even the director itself encourage players to unsub wherever they feels like, play other game or do other things, take rest etc before subs wherever you want. be it after months, or even a year.
FF14 really does respect your time go in get BiS get out. Maybe farm Artifact weapons for skin but hell I didn't even do that I just go in to get BiS with my FC
Even in the story itself from time to time, other characters remind your warrior of light that there are other things to do with their life and to not forget about that.
Loved the wow vid. This video felt very well put together and I could keep up with it this time 😂 I wanted to see vids out there about the endgame content for both games but people kept talking about the casual stuff. That stuff is nice and all but I just started progging e4s recently and I love it so much. Even failing seems fun because I either learn if I did something correctly and it was someone else who caused the wipe, or I didn't stand in the correct position on time. I'm hyped to hopefully become a decent raider some day to be be on par with my high end friends and for the personal satisfaction of beating hard content in a game I love. Progging 1 savage fight feels fulfilling already and I've just barely scratched the surface of raiding.
Hey man I really appreciate you making this video from this perspective. I'm not as hardcore as you, but in WoW I gravitate mostly towards AoTC, and SOMETIMES I get my CE if I can tolerate the grind. I have been hoping someone with your kind of experience would lay it out like this, and now I am even more excited to start my new journey in a new game! Cheers!
This is fantastic. Thank you so much. I'm gonna link this video for ppl who has a similar gaming style and wants to know what end game FF raiding is like.
One thing you didn't bring up in terms of gearing is Relic Weapons, which are a semi-casual, somewhat grindy task to get what becomes the BIS weapon by the end of the expansion. And when the next expansion drops, you still have a neat looking item for Glamour/Transmog. Do you have to do this? Absolutely not. It's just another option for those who don't want to, or are not interested in grinding out Savage clears for that BIS weapon.
I'm so happy to have found this video! I am also a high-level PvE raider on another MMO (swtor) and I was eager to try FF XIV but I was wondering whether the game was made for people like us. I think I found my answer :) I'm also rushing through the story in order to get to raiding asap (I'll do the expansions again to enjoy the story later), I'm glad to see I'm not the only one!
i’m glad someone is saying this about ultimates. the degree of difficulty that personal accountability adds is nothing to sneeze at. also anything over 10ppl in a fight just feels bad to me now
This definitely neds to reach Asmongold yeah. A lot of WoW players need to watch this tbh. Thank you for this video, it was much needed! edit: yeah I'm currently progressing on TEA and my co-heal is away for a month... our MT's friend volunteered heavily to participate even though he's cleared all ultimates and doesn't need them at all. We're like "dude you're getting yourself into a new prog group for TEA when you already cleared it" and he's more than happy to join.
Finally! I love the story and I am not a hardcore raider but I do raid and I know for a fact that this content exists in the game and the fact that a lot of content creators new to FFXIV are acting as though it doesn’t exist and basing their difficulty comparison with WOW on Mythic Raids v. story-mode primals is infuriating. Next time this happens I can refer them to this video. Thank you for that.
This is simply one of the very best comparisons of WoW v. FF14 raiding I have ever seen. I say /one/ of the best in case my memory is failing me at the moment. Concise, extremely fair... Bravo good sir. This is exceptional work.
Happy late Birthday Lynx! And I for one am the same way, i skipped the whole story because raiding is what I enjoy, and I will always love raiding in 14, I love that no matter what I can always improve, I'm so glad you are back to playing 14 again, you are by far my favorite 14 creator, never stop being the best!
Fuck, thank you! I've always wanted to see a complete picture of this comparison after years from hearing bias opinions. The community needs to wake up and stop preading such superficial "yeah wow raids are better because thats what they do".
This needs to be circulated to more WoW influencers as I've seen a large amount of them ignoring or talking about the endgame as if it's a joke or casual. I think they're VASTLY underestimating how hard final fight savage and ultimates can be... glad to see someone finally touching on this. Once you've cleared an ultimate on FF other high end fights in WoW seem like a joke.
Ultimates are basically like the last ~2-3 mythic bosses of a new raid tier pre-nerfs. Ultimates being 8-man does allow for much more individually challenging mechanics for specific player. But as a whole, their difficulty seem comparable to fights like mythic Kiljaeden, Sire, Unaat, Argus, Aggramar, Guldan, Avatar of Sargeras et.c. I think one of the biggest differences is that Blizzard always nerf these incredibly difficuly bosses ~2 months in to allow non professional guilds to defeat those bosses. Saying that high end fights in wow are a joke compared to Ultimates is pretty dishonest. Mythic bosses in wow are known to cause massive burnout in alot of players and completely disband high end raiding guilds because of their difficulty. They're incredibly challenging.
@@henrikswanstrom9218 most of the people here in the comments havent touched wow at a high level. same as this youtuber. this is just another excuse for them to go ffxiv >>>>>>>>> wow. but failing to mention that there has only been 3 Ultimates in 4 years lmao
@@xpekzggsquaa4732 Homeboy says "I've been there", while also only being 22 years old. So no, he has no idea how hard pre nerf SWP is, Ulduar hard modes, ICC hard modes, were. Checking his armory, he has never seriously progressed through mythic raiding when it was current.
You can fall behind if you don't play for long time, but the systems to get back in track are super straigh forward and you will never be lost and you will be ready for raiding again super easy. I mean if you missed few patches with new content and stuff.
@@Grebeny tbf, the only time you can "fall behind" is right at the end of an expac. as at the start of one you have Poetic tomestone catchup gear to get you to the previous "max" item lvl for all but the weapon(the previous capped tomestone augmented gear) to get trough MSQ quickly(up to around halfway you dont need to think about your gear)in the middle you have the normal and first alliance raids starting with enough time to do them a few times to get your gear up to snuff before the next tier drops.. BUT at the end of an expac, you have capped augmented tomestones and savage gear. which is where you can fall behind, as your BiS will be a mix of savage and capped augmented tomestone gear. and you will only be able to get 2 maybe 3 pieces per week total along with the relic weapon grind being there in its entirety and thus requiring a good chunk of time
This is definitely hands down the best comparison video I've seen and as an on and off ffxiv player since heavensward I was able to finally clear an ultimate( TEA ) this year.. I can definitely say it feels sooooooo goood to be able to achieve this accomplishment after months of trial and error and finding the right group to celebrate/clear with.
When I started this video and you said you skipped the main story (which I personally love), I thought I wouldn't like the video, but, as a WoW refugee, you've said so many truths!! I love the video and I'll send it to my static comrades!
Hope Asmon watches this! I really appreciate Lynx' perspective on the game as somebody who also skipped the story but still enjoy the game a ton (played since Oct 2013).
Another layer of difficulty you could always choose to add is blind progging vs using guides on Savage. My raid group usually blind progs for at least one day on each fight to get a taste of it. We also tend to come up with our own ways of dealing with mechanics that work better for us than some of the established strats(though on some we just use the popular strats too).
As a mythic raider myself I started playing FF very casually about a month ago, just doing the MSQ. After this video maybe I'll push a little harder after progression ends this tier, tbh everything that you mentioned sounds incredible, the only thing I'd miss is pushing m+ score
this is gold, and this maybe not relevant but Japanese dev surely kown how to make a deep and complex mechanic game even seemingly very casual friendly
Glad to finally see a video like this. I enjoy the story and crafting but the reason i really play this game is the Savage and Ultimate raids and there is a big community playing just because of this content. Just hopefully we'll get more than one Ultimate Raid next Expansion.
Man, this should be upped more to be heard. This was the only reason I still play FF14 now, the gearing for ff14 is simple enough that I can get BiS and have enough time to play WoW. Since I'm similar to you since 2.0 I skip story, rush to end-game get the best gear, log out and wait until the next raid content comes in. Savage is exactly how you said it is late heroic early mythic, its difficult but for a regular mythic WoW raider it should be easy enough, but Ultimates, First time i stepped UWU during SB i was definitely put in my place and NOTHING in WoW is as hard or as exhilarating as that. Keep up the good work!
I enjoy a raid or trial, even if all the group wipe cause everyone is trying their best and creating strategies and interacting, also, it's so satisfactory when we finally kill the boss.
Personally I love how easy it is to get into the endgame raiding for 14. I've never been the hardcore type of player in mmo's but wanted to try out savage raiding in 14 since im good at picking up mechanics. So a personal friend of mine got a group together with the intent of trying to beat UwU and they needed an 8th. He came to me saying that I would have to gear up in savage so that weekend we went in. Even though it wasn't on release and echo exists I did get my first savage clear of an on tier raid and it felt pretty good. Even though e9s is really easy I'm looking forward to fully gearing up through the rest of eden, then maybe finally getting the drk ultimate weapon.
If you ever watch skill up he says leave a like if you liked video and a dislike so he knows how to do better for next time with most of his game reviews like him or hate him he looks at it very criticality and a lot of people hate on him but he is giving his opinion and I think a lot of people forget that most TH-cam creators are giving there opinions and we all don’t agree on everything but some do have good points
RNG with mythic raiding was one of the things I hated most about WoW. I feel like they made it that way on purpose so you’d feel like you couldn’t miss anything. Also hated they forced PvP on PvE players. I’m happy this drama between Blizz devs and Asmon happened so I could discover what a fantastic game FF14 is!
Love the video, while most other videos focus more on the casual side of FF14, we need more videos like this to draw the hardcore players. Too much casual focused can be a turn off sometimes, and knowing that there is a solid raiding community is good for those who are looking for that.
honestly while i can see where people come from when they get angry at people skipping - if you genuinely have no interest in the story and just want the content, there’s no issue with it tho. what pisses me off abt it is when people skip the story and expect to still be able to understand it lmao. glad you’ve been enjoying high end xiv content tho! welcome to eorzea!
THANK YOU THANK THANK YOU Great video and im so glad you mentioned that you really dont have to care about the story/glamour ect if you want to enjoy the game
I love 8 man raiding because everyone feels like a close friend in the group, in 20 man raids most people are in their little cliques of 5 that do m+ together and the group can feel very segregated.
@@NamesLynx i agree, i would think its a much better raid size, as i get some of the same feeling when doing 10-man karazhan in tbc classic (even tho thats now hard content).
Much of what you talk about here is also why as a relax raid player I like ff14 more. I hated the feeling in WoW where I was forced to do stuff I did not enjoy and pugs caused me to much stress.
Nice to see you doing vids again not really a consistent viewer but going back to game your hud layout and skills on hotbars vid really helped me out on enjoying the game more.that aside this is also a great vid that more people thinking of joining the game should look at.
In regards to the replayability of old bosses, while incredibly niche/part of a minority of players in ff14, Blue Mage has personally been a huge incentive for me to go back and do the older content I never cleared. I started savage raiding this expac in Shadowbringers and never had a group to do the old raids Omega, Alex, or coils when they were relevant. But thanks to the Blue discord I've had a ton of fun progging fights like T13 and A12S to get more cosmetics and titles, and this requires no echo and synced item level so you mostly have to do the fights properly like they were intended (barring a few changes due to the nature of the job).
@@ecchidragon8038 Once you beat the level 50 main story, a quest for Blue Mage should unlock in Limsa by the Aetheryte called Out of the Blue where you can begin!
Great closing. The slowness at the beginning makes a lot of people quite FF14 early. But I always reccomend to play with someone you know to prog through it and once you get near the end, it's hard to stop playing.
Great video! Personally I feel Extreme Trials are way harder than "early Heroic" in WoW. I remember getting my Uncorrupted Voidwing on Heroic N'Zoth (as a healer) at 1st try, after stopping the game for months, and Extreme Hades or Titania are way harder than, let's say, Heroic Grong/Xanesh/Shad'ar from BFA. It would be closer to Heroic Jaina and Azshara. On the other hand, I also think Savage would be between late Heroic and late Mythic, but maybe not the lass boss which is often way harder than the rest. Ultimate would be "World 1st race" difficulty for a harder Uu'nat, with hundreds of pulls xD
Bro BJCC with the nisei took me forever to prog. Biggest roadblock phase ever. Ultimate makes savage look like chump change. Also big point about the replayability factor. I'm trying to get good at every single role. You just keep practicing to get good. Satisfied with that performance time to move onto the next role
True, I made it a personal goal of mine to be able to play every class proficiently. Not perfectly, but I learned the opener & rotation to every single class in the game, and spent many many hours at the striking dummy to do that.
I like hearing your perspective on this topic. I'm a hardcore FILTHY CASUL because I don't have the time to commit to raiding like I did back when I played endgame SWTOR. I'm here for the casual content primarily (glamour is my endgame), but I like seeing that hardcore raiders are having as much fun with their aspect of the game as I am with mine.
Great video for this time when a lot of WoW players are considering FFXIV. I think FFXIV will bring a ton of casuals and satisfy them, but this is a good argument on why hardcore raiders can enjoy FFXIV the same way.
Most raiders in wow do raids for gear though, not for the challenge of extremely hard bosses. That's why only a dozen of guilds manage to kill the last boss of a mythic raid tier. If ultimate bosses are as hard as the creator of this video says, then very few wow players will be attracted by the endgame raiding of FFXIV.
@@henrikswanstrom9218 There's still savage raids.; But yes, if your main goal to raiding is a longer treadmill of getting gear than FFXIV will have less of it. And as explained in the video, BiS is much easier to attain (for better or worse).
Imagine actually not wasting your players time but rather giving them a choice of diverse content to earn their currency and gear themselves. Not only that, but this is also clear prove an mmo doesnt need to timegate their players from fun activities to keep them in the game and a proof that cosmetic rewards and bragging rights is enough to motivate players to tackle conten, provided the content is good. I wish WoW devs would actually understand this, then we could - once again - enjoy both games.
I remember doing the bahamut when it first released, i played in Japan server, i had to Party finder, every run, with no fixed party.. finally got that title after 1 year PF-ing😭😭 best feeling ever😭
So, I only do savage raiding, because ultimates scare the shit out of me. I am content with having beaten all 12 bosses of shadowbringers and knowing I could perform well enough, even though I switched from DRK to MCH at the end of second tier. I appreciate your insight and have to give you credit, because ultimates are, as you said, the hardest content ever made. If I had to do 20 minutes of E12S Phase 1 mechanics, mixed in with some Shiva for good measure, I think I'd go insane.
I'm not sure if anyone will read this comment or more specfically question, but I have an honest question since you've done content in both games and thats in regards to difficulty. I'm a heroic raider and was never really good at it. Take a long time to learn mechanics compared to others, always being pretty low on dps and when I started to try FF, by the time I got to EW I've found a lot of the fights to be harder then what I ended up doing in Heroic. So my question being if I had such a hard time with something as easy as heroic raiding, Do I really have a chance in extreme or savage content when I can barely do the easiest difficulty of these fights?
Hey Lynx thank you for this video. As someone who is new to Ff 14 and started back in January (just reached 5.2) I am enjoying the game. However, I am looking to get into the harder boss fights and raids on the game, and I have tanking anxiety. As a Dragoon main, I am looking to get into tanking while also trying to master harder content. But I just catheter over that mental and sometimes physical hurdle of being a tank. What should I do? Thank you for everything and love your videos!
I've been tanking since I started and also had anxiety to begin with. The best thing you can do is just to remember that the fact that you're a tank doesn't mean much. You're basically just a blue DPS that's going to be taking the hits instead of someone else. It's true that you set the pace in dungeons etc, and that you'll have to move the boss around, but it's best to still think about it as a DPS. For example, learning from your time as a Dragoon, where do you want the boss to be? You know that if it were you, you'd want easy access to flanks and for the boss not to move much and face roughly the same direction most of the time. Same principle for trash in dungeons - you'd want them all bunched up and with multiple pulls worth so you get the most out of your cooldowns. Work backwards from the DPS mentality and you'll feel much more comfortable about it eventually. Hope that helps!
They made tanking a whole lot easier when shadowbringers dropped, that being said it helps having a veteran tank in raid content that you can trust to have your back. I actually stepped up and played a tank in raid content during ShB and found it less stressful than DPS'ing.
Thanks for the informative video. Do you think FF14 will ever reach the same level of endgame competition that exists in WoW via the world first race? Would love to see a Limit vs. Echo equivalent
I don’t think so. FF is a very personal game and this is indicative of the low viewcount on twitch (outside of this asmongold boom). The game is really fun to play, but not very fun to watch. Method, before they exploded, actually did host a world first race for the second savage tier of this expansion. It only reached around 5k viewers peak, as opposed to wow’s hundreds of thousands of viewers. The game still gets a ton of viewership on ultimate releases, but I don’t think the world first race will be streamed or have a community around it.
There actually is a community around "world first" it's just not streamed do to Certain things we won't mention bc yoship might be listening 😉. But there is a community and ranking system for world first
Hi, I actually have an issue with dungeons - that there are just not much reason to run most of the lvl50/60/70 dungeons. By far my favorite FFXIV dungeon is Swallow's compass, but as a player who joined in ShB, I find very little reason to run even the lvl50/60/70 roulette and seeing it was even rarer after running it for the first time.
Oh my God thank you. Just THANK YOU. My face is literally blood angels red from facepalms when another fucking youtuber says that if you want to raid maybe XIV is not the choice. Dont get me wrong story and side content is great but raids and combat gameplay flow is why i play this game. Even difficulty and gear aquisition aside - i just enjoy XIV rotation and class gameplay so much that i cant play other MMOs anymore. Even when i dont play it for some time i have an itch to come back and sit for 5-10 min on dummy cos it is just pure extazy for my fingers. Now empower all this with very good balance where you REALLY can play what you like( hello wow ), interesting as fuck savage/ultimate fights, good gear aquisition, better socialization ( beacause you know, it is much easier and healthier to be friends with 7 people and get to know them then with 19 baboons ), awesome feel of reward after boss kill when you master your rotation and can dance the fight without braking it and much more! I just wish more people see this video and more videos like this produced. If you are raider and feel sceptical because of all this - wow have better raiding nonsense - dude just try 14, dont rush it , have your time and you will get miracle level of enjoyment at the end content. Cheers.
You pointed out one thing that Lynx didn't really touch on but for me is my No. 1 motivation for playing FF14 over other MMOs. And that is honestly the class design. There are a few jobs that I'm kind of 'meh' on, but I can think of 7 jobs in FF14 that I absolutely adore playing. I compare this to WoW, and...while I LIKE a lot of the WoW classes, I don't love a single one like I do Samurai, Scholar, White Mage or Red Mage. The rotations are so fluid, less proc based (aside from dancer and bard maybe?), and the animations look soooo much better than WoW's combat animations IMO. And the best part of this, you can play any of the classes in the game right now at a high level, because they're all balanced.
Hey! Thanks for video. I was looking for a video just like this but I was also wondering about M+? I really only play WOW for mythic prog and high M+ so I'm curious if this game has the right content to keep me going. I don't really care about all the other stuffin the game lol
My friends and I are more casual players who do play mostly for the story and glamor and those things. We have been doing Savage in Shadowbringers but didn't manage to clear Shiva, and are still trying to prog E12S. So not the best in the world by far. Still, I liked hearing the perspective of someone who is here for the raiding because you're right, not a lot of people talk about it. Just like there's a smaller but very active community for PVP, there's another community dedicated to raiding. The game is what you make it.
Asmon dropped me off here. GREAT video with TONS of great info. Im actually doin the SAME thing you are in game... im just slower. Thank you for this content, bruh
Hi, I just wanted to say I really love your content, and I especially enjoyed your "A Realm Rebored" video series where to poke fun at the MSQ, and hope you could continue that series to maybe even the expansions. Your humor in those videos are great!
I still have the character and could pick up the series but I'm not sure if I will since so much time has passed. I'll definitely put some thought into it, though.
Thanks for the video! I've been back and forth about whether or not to switch to FF14 and I've made the decision to do it. I'm looking forward to doing all of the Savage/Ultimate content the game has to offer. I am curious about how you define a hardcore raider in WoW. Getting CE is most definitely a great accomplishment, but there is a big difference between getting CE late tier and consistently getting into the Hall of Fame. What was your experience like as a Mythic raider?
Hi all, a bit of a late upload this week because Tuesday was my birthday so I took some time off. I am now the big 22 which means I have no more age milestones to look forward to! Hooray... Anyways I hope you enjoy listening to my take on the "why I quit WoW" videos, as I am not your average FF14 story enjoyer and have a bit of a unique perspective. Thanks for watching :)
lynx kameli
Happy birthday
Happy birthday! Gratz on your big 22
Gratz on the double digits Birthday 🥳 at 22!
We honestly needs more of your unique and rarer perspective as both a high end player and content creator. Few creators occupy this space!
Happy birthday Lynx!
One often overlooked fact is that while old raid tiers are no longer relevant gear wise, you can go back to any of the old raid tiers and play them similarly to how they were when they were current content by using the minimum item level sync. If you're here for the challenge, there's tons of content you can get into.
And to some, this old content is STILL relevant! There are titles and equipment to earn that you can't get anywhere else for Glamour purposes. These titles and equipment signify to anyone who has been playing a while what you had to do in order to get it.
It doesn't hurt that the equipment itself makes you look pretty awesome, either. Even if it isn't "current endgame" gear.
"When moving onto ultimate raids, It gets even crazier. Ultimate raids are, without a doubt, the hardest pieces of raiding content ever conceived in an MMO."
*Alexander Prime casts Wormhole Formation*
Yeah this guy knows.
I'm glad someone caught that :)
@@NamesLynx The hard part of these videos is showing all the things you did/didn't do that would have immediately killed everyone. Like someone needs to take an ultimate clear video and say "yeah might look like he was just standing there, but if this guy was five inches in any other direction, everyone dies"
Didn't hit Arm's Length? Give Living Liquid my regards.
Only things I can think would come close are the pre nerf versions of mythic end bosses in wow that only the top guilds really get to play with. Awesome video, you make me hyped to come back to ff14
is Ultimate really harder than Mythic? I havent played WoW but I swear to god this is one of the most mixed opinions ive seen in the comparisons between the games. Some say ultimate is harder others say mythic is harder
@@Wombeyy From what I've seen, people are always biased to their own games, as a ffxiv player I've never wanted to be biased as I just assumed WoW had a equivalent to ultimate. But hearing from vets of WoW who have done ultimates they seem to always say ultimate is on another level. I've done ultimates myself and after looking up Mythic gameplay idk... it looks more like a 4th fight savage level difficulty.
So I was in a top 50 US 200 world guild during wotlk and cata. I quit hardcore raiding after cata and with every wow xpac I buy it, try to commit to a more casual raiding guild/schedule and I'll be into it for the first tier of the xpac. Then.. the reality of the grind for resources in modern wow hits me and I give up on it before the second raid drops. Every time.
I've heard a lot of talk about ff14 in passing, but I remember playing shortly after ARR came out, I played the tank class and the monotonous nature of any tanking class in the early game combined with the slow GCD made me give up.
On the advice of a coworker and being on a classic final fantasy kick at the moment, I just picked up the game, initially with the free trial and now after playing again and watching these types or videos, I am extremely excited to get deep into this game. I picked possibly thr best and worst time to start playing (leaning toward worst with these queue times) as endwalker just came out. I refuse to boost so I do kind of wish I was already max level so I could be into the current shit with the crowd but I'm happy with the game I'm playing now. I'm looking forward to actually investing in raiding again because of the presence of pros and lack of cons you listed here. I'm fucking stoked
The gearing being so straight forward in FFXIV tends to be a criticism of the game, but I also only find it as a positive.
@@kiiturii I've seen the complaint enough to know it's not uncommon. It ranges from gearing being too straightforward, to substats being meaningless, crit being too important, lack of skill expression due to homogenization and inability to equip weapons other than the main one for your job. I personally don't mind it, i can see how it can be a bit dull, but i also realize that the price to pay for a more complex system would be balance. I also don't really care if my class underperforms, but lack of balance often means illusion of choice, skills that are never used, nerds obsessing over a meaningless meta.
@@tomasmyskin yeah and if we got all of that people would just find the meta and everyone would follow that making it overly complicated for no reason
it's a positive thing if you don't care about having to worry too much about gearing and just want to raid or play the game. It's a negative for people looking for more complexities in their gearing. It can be good or bad.
They only see the negative because they don't understand the concept of Job system. It is meant to gear you faster so that you are encouraged to move on to gear your next jobs. By the time you have geared all the jobs, I'd be surprise if anyone craves to do more.
there's def a huge idealization of high complexity systems. In the end having too many cute things just mean you need to go get the one that is the best. Also means more stuff to get, so more time spent playing. Devs have said so many times they are happy with player retention right now and would rather not increase it to allow people to take breaks. In my eyes the variety we get out of 14 is the ability to play any job anytime. We don't need obscure pieces of gear to achieve gameplay variety, it's built in the job system already
This is a pretty good encapsulation of why I love xiv. I'm also really into the story/lore, but without challenging gameplay it wouldn't be nearly as fun for me. My static just cleared TEA this week and it was such a rush I couldn't sleep. I skipped ultimates in SB but I'm really excited to tackle them with the group next week.
Good luck! When my group cleared UWU, it was a huge rush for us as well as it was all of our first ultimate clear. We're currently working on TEA!
I always have a hard time trying to explain just how wonderfully challenging FFXIV fights can be. The issue is that you can't really digest the dozens of hours of wipes because one person took one step to the left when they shouldn't have in order to convince someone of it. The popular content creators only catch videos where everything is going perfectly and the consequences of errors are never seen. It really is something you just have to experience for yourself in order to understand.
Great video, hope it gains traction!
Just always enjoy your perspective as a true high end caliber player. I’m always left wanting more in perspective as well Tanking. While their are many FF content creators and less as compared to WoW content creators their are seemingly few FF14 content creators with your particular perspective at the very high end as well often as a Tank. From a player as such we need more perspective that can help never players to the game ongoing. I’ve kindly asked Rin over on his channel who you had on your channel before as a guest to try and share his perspectives as well which again can help so many newer players. I just don’t know if he will. But never hurts to kindly ask!
Excellent video Lynx. Covers a lot of aspects of the FFXIV raiding process that a lot of other videos have been skipping over lately.
Dude some one needs to share this with Asmongold! This really explains things quite well for people who are more end game oriented which is just as fair a way to play the game even if it's not how I prefer to play it.
Definitely feel like Asmon has only really been provided w the casual perspective on things, which isn't at all a good representation of how raiding actually is for those who are more interested in high-end content (which is seemingly what he has more interest in) so yeah, really appreciate Lynx's perspective here and think Asmon should watch it!
I was going to say the same thing! Does anyone know how/where to share this with him?
I'm pretty sure he did a video on this one already
@@collinsorenson2151 already? This came out 5 hours ago
hey i totally skip ARR MSQ, some quest i just skip it and i'm having a blast in game. Garuda extreme is the one main reason why the game is so good to me. Then the rest is history.
Hey man awesome video, hope that the raiding comunity gets a great ultimate i love seeing how good people can get in the game
Waiting for baldie to react to this, great video by the way :)
He already did :)
@@tigrex7403 Got a link?
@@masterost1994 www.twitch.tv/videos/1075486022?t=1h02m
@@Kroliiath cheers
Guys, please tweet/share this with Asmongold and/or others. Most people only talk about the casual experience of FFXIV, but I think he (and others like him) would enjoy listening to this perspective so much.
Whelp it has happened.
@@MrLyramion We did it!
As a prior Mythic raider myself, I'm glad I jumped ship to FFXIV. Best gaming decision I ever made.
Just this!!! Other FF14 content creators are too focused on casual gameplay. When I told a WoW player from my guild that Ultimate fights on FF are harder than aything we had seen in WoW, he doubted me. Its also funny to watch WoW youtubers like Bellular, Asmon, etc, implying that FF14 is for casuals. WoW players in general should really watch this video. The fact that FF14 endgame can catter a lot of casual players with a variaty of activities, doesnt mean It's not a game with hardcore content. Now I am like you... cant play any other MMO because FF14 spoilled me.
I think the reason why so many people are saying that FF14 is more casual it's because raiding isn't the main focus of the game. Not that it's completely secondary but game simply expects that you will play it in your own, and more relaxed pace (I'm saying more about while-not-in-a-raid type of scenario) and, as result, it is much easier for casual players to get a hold of combat, role, how and what to do etc. etc.
So yes, FF14 is WAY friendlier for casuals, but it doesn't mean it can't kick you in the nuts when it wants to.
During Pandaria I had a WoW friend trying FFXIV and OH BOY his screams dying at Titan EX were delicious "BUT HOW DO YOU DODGE THIS WITHOUT DEADLY BOSS MODS CALLS???"
why should WoW players believe someone that has never cleared end game mythic bosses?
worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/malganis/kameli/achievements/feats-of-strength/raids
Honestly it just sounds like FF XIV respects your time and isn't afraid to tell the player that they're done and achieved something. Much better than the perpetual engagement-driven nonsense like borrowed power systems. Thanks for making this video, I needed to know there was something in the game for the sweaty boy I am.
well the game indeed designed to respect player time. it doesnt force player to keep playing all the time. even the director itself encourage players to unsub wherever they feels like, play other game or do other things, take rest etc before subs wherever you want. be it after months, or even a year.
FF14 really does respect your time go in get BiS get out. Maybe farm Artifact weapons for skin but hell I didn't even do that I just go in to get BiS with my FC
Even in the story itself from time to time, other characters remind your warrior of light that there are other things to do with their life and to not forget about that.
Loved the wow vid. This video felt very well put together and I could keep up with it this time 😂 I wanted to see vids out there about the endgame content for both games but people kept talking about the casual stuff. That stuff is nice and all but I just started progging e4s recently and I love it so much. Even failing seems fun because I either learn if I did something correctly and it was someone else who caused the wipe, or I didn't stand in the correct position on time. I'm hyped to hopefully become a decent raider some day to be be on par with my high end friends and for the personal satisfaction of beating hard content in a game I love. Progging 1 savage fight feels fulfilling already and I've just barely scratched the surface of raiding.
Hey man I really appreciate you making this video from this perspective. I'm not as hardcore as you, but in WoW I gravitate mostly towards AoTC, and SOMETIMES I get my CE if I can tolerate the grind. I have been hoping someone with your kind of experience would lay it out like this, and now I am even more excited to start my new journey in a new game! Cheers!
Something tells me I'll see your video again on Asmongold's stream.
Great video dude. Much needed.
This is fantastic. Thank you so much. I'm gonna link this video for ppl who has a similar gaming style and wants to know what end game FF raiding is like.
One thing you didn't bring up in terms of gearing is Relic Weapons, which are a semi-casual, somewhat grindy task to get what becomes the BIS weapon by the end of the expansion. And when the next expansion drops, you still have a neat looking item for Glamour/Transmog. Do you have to do this? Absolutely not. It's just another option for those who don't want to, or are not interested in grinding out Savage clears for that BIS weapon.
he also forgot about the Bozja 24 man and the savage 48 man raid!
I'm so happy to have found this video! I am also a high-level PvE raider on another MMO (swtor) and I was eager to try FF XIV but I was wondering whether the game was made for people like us. I think I found my answer :)
I'm also rushing through the story in order to get to raiding asap (I'll do the expansions again to enjoy the story later), I'm glad to see I'm not the only one!
This is a really helpful video, helped sell me on the idea of moving over to ff14. Thanks!
i’m glad someone is saying this about ultimates. the degree of difficulty that personal accountability adds is nothing to sneeze at. also anything over 10ppl in a fight just feels bad to me now
This definitely neds to reach Asmongold yeah. A lot of WoW players need to watch this tbh. Thank you for this video, it was much needed!
edit: yeah I'm currently progressing on TEA and my co-heal is away for a month... our MT's friend volunteered heavily to participate even though he's cleared all ultimates and doesn't need them at all. We're like "dude you're getting yourself into a new prog group for TEA when you already cleared it" and he's more than happy to join.
@@horus666tube He didn't know who I was when he joined. It's kinda sad to assume that would be the first reason
@@ZYaruru well it was more kinda fun ... 🙊 could have been true though 😜
Finally! I love the story and I am not a hardcore raider but I do raid and I know for a fact that this content exists in the game and the fact that a lot of content creators new to FFXIV are acting as though it doesn’t exist and basing their difficulty comparison with WOW on Mythic Raids v. story-mode primals is infuriating. Next time this happens I can refer them to this video. Thank you for that.
Thanks for making this video, was watching on Asmongolds stream and it really filled in the question gaps I think most of us had about end game.
Thank you very much for this video! We are very fortunate to have you back with us.
This is simply one of the very best comparisons of WoW v. FF14 raiding I have ever seen. I say /one/ of the best in case my memory is failing me at the moment. Concise, extremely fair... Bravo good sir. This is exceptional work.
asmon needs to see this
people link it to him!
100%
He already did, watch the first stream.
This comment aged perfectly
Happy late Birthday Lynx! And I for one am the same way, i skipped the whole story because raiding is what I enjoy, and I will always love raiding in 14, I love that no matter what I can always improve, I'm so glad you are back to playing 14 again, you are by far my favorite 14 creator, never stop being the best!
Wow! this was a well worded and balanced comparison between both games bravo! love the vid.
Fuck, thank you! I've always wanted to see a complete picture of this comparison after years from hearing bias opinions. The community needs to wake up and stop preading such superficial "yeah wow raids are better because thats what they do".
This needs to be circulated to more WoW influencers as I've seen a large amount of them ignoring or talking about the endgame as if it's a joke or casual. I think they're VASTLY underestimating how hard final fight savage and ultimates can be... glad to see someone finally touching on this. Once you've cleared an ultimate on FF other high end fights in WoW seem like a joke.
Hard agree.
Un'aat and Kil'Jaden are ultimates on their own
Ultimates are basically like the last ~2-3 mythic bosses of a new raid tier pre-nerfs.
Ultimates being 8-man does allow for much more individually challenging mechanics for specific player.
But as a whole, their difficulty seem comparable to fights like mythic Kiljaeden, Sire, Unaat, Argus, Aggramar, Guldan, Avatar of Sargeras et.c.
I think one of the biggest differences is that Blizzard always nerf these incredibly difficuly bosses ~2 months in to allow non professional guilds to defeat those bosses.
Saying that high end fights in wow are a joke compared to Ultimates is pretty dishonest. Mythic bosses in wow are known to cause massive burnout in alot of players and completely disband high end raiding guilds because of their difficulty. They're incredibly challenging.
@@henrikswanstrom9218 most of the people here in the comments havent touched wow at a high level. same as this youtuber. this is just another excuse for them to go ffxiv >>>>>>>>> wow. but failing to mention that there has only been 3 Ultimates in 4 years lmao
@@xpekzggsquaa4732 Homeboy says "I've been there", while also only being 22 years old. So no, he has no idea how hard pre nerf SWP is, Ulduar hard modes, ICC hard modes, were. Checking his armory, he has never seriously progressed through mythic raiding when it was current.
I love the fights in FF for how thematic every encounter is. Every boss has their own boss theme and arena.
Have you heard of this Lynx Kameli guy? He's kind of a gamer.
Knowing that it isn't possible to "fall behind" in this game was really nice to hear. Great work on this video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
You can fall behind if you don't play for long time, but the systems to get back in track are super straigh forward and you will never be lost and you will be ready for raiding again super easy. I mean if you missed few patches with new content and stuff.
@@Grebeny tbf, the only time you can "fall behind" is right at the end of an expac. as at the start of one you have Poetic tomestone catchup gear to get you to the previous "max" item lvl for all but the weapon(the previous capped tomestone augmented gear) to get trough MSQ quickly(up to around halfway you dont need to think about your gear)in the middle you have the normal and first alliance raids starting with enough time to do them a few times to get your gear up to snuff before the next tier drops.. BUT at the end of an expac, you have capped augmented tomestones and savage gear. which is where you can fall behind, as your BiS will be a mix of savage and capped augmented tomestone gear. and you will only be able to get 2 maybe 3 pieces per week total along with the relic weapon grind being there in its entirety and thus requiring a good chunk of time
Really like your more unique perspective. Hope you continue to enjoy what you do.
This is definitely hands down the best comparison video I've seen and as an on and off ffxiv player since heavensward I was able to finally clear an ultimate( TEA ) this year.. I can definitely say it feels sooooooo goood to be able to achieve this accomplishment after months of trial and error and finding the right group to celebrate/clear with.
I just hit 520 after starting playing FF during quarantine, I’m super excited to try and clear stuff like Eden’s
When I started this video and you said you skipped the main story (which I personally love), I thought I wouldn't like the video, but, as a WoW refugee, you've said so many truths!!
I love the video and I'll send it to my static comrades!
Hope Asmon watches this! I really appreciate Lynx' perspective on the game as somebody who also skipped the story but still enjoy the game a ton (played since Oct 2013).
We should do as much as we can to share this with him!
Another layer of difficulty you could always choose to add is blind progging vs using guides on Savage. My raid group usually blind progs for at least one day on each fight to get a taste of it. We also tend to come up with our own ways of dealing with mechanics that work better for us than some of the established strats(though on some we just use the popular strats too).
As a mythic raider myself I started playing FF very casually about a month ago, just doing the MSQ. After this video maybe I'll push a little harder after progression ends this tier, tbh everything that you mentioned sounds incredible, the only thing I'd miss is pushing m+ score
this is gold, and this maybe not relevant but Japanese dev surely kown how to make a deep and complex mechanic game even seemingly very casual friendly
Great video man! Love the wow refuge’s with their own vieuw in things
Glad to finally see a video like this. I enjoy the story and crafting but the reason i really play this game is the Savage and Ultimate raids and there is a big community playing just because of this content. Just hopefully we'll get more than one Ultimate Raid next Expansion.
You are my hero my dude! Finally a person compares “raids” actually talk abt savage and ultimate 😂😂😂
Man, this should be upped more to be heard. This was the only reason I still play FF14 now, the gearing for ff14 is simple enough that I can get BiS and have enough time to play WoW. Since I'm similar to you since 2.0 I skip story, rush to end-game get the best gear, log out and wait until the next raid content comes in.
Savage is exactly how you said it is late heroic early mythic, its difficult but for a regular mythic WoW raider it should be easy enough, but Ultimates, First time i stepped UWU during SB i was definitely put in my place and NOTHING in WoW is as hard or as exhilarating as that.
Keep up the good work!
I enjoy a raid or trial, even if all the group wipe cause everyone is trying their best and creating strategies and interacting, also, it's so satisfactory when we finally kill the boss.
Personally I love how easy it is to get into the endgame raiding for 14. I've never been the hardcore type of player in mmo's but wanted to try out savage raiding in 14 since im good at picking up mechanics. So a personal friend of mine got a group together with the intent of trying to beat UwU and they needed an 8th. He came to me saying that I would have to gear up in savage so that weekend we went in. Even though it wasn't on release and echo exists I did get my first savage clear of an on tier raid and it felt pretty good. Even though e9s is really easy I'm looking forward to fully gearing up through the rest of eden, then maybe finally getting the drk ultimate weapon.
In my over 12 years of TH-cam, this is the first time I have ever heard anyone say if you didn't like the video leave a dislike. Nice.
If you ever watch skill up he says leave a like if you liked video and a dislike so he knows how to do better for next time with most of his game reviews like him or hate him he looks at it very criticality and a lot of people hate on him but he is giving his opinion and I think a lot of people forget that most TH-cam creators are giving there opinions and we all don’t agree on everything but some do have good points
A really well put together video! I've been wondering what the end game is like, and this makes it all understandable.
RNG with mythic raiding was one of the things I hated most about WoW. I feel like they made it that way on purpose so you’d feel like you couldn’t miss anything. Also hated they forced PvP on PvE players. I’m happy this drama between Blizz devs and Asmon happened so I could discover what a fantastic game FF14 is!
Love the video, while most other videos focus more on the casual side of FF14, we need more videos like this to draw the hardcore players. Too much casual focused can be a turn off sometimes, and knowing that there is a solid raiding community is good for those who are looking for that.
As someone who plays WoW exclusively for the raids/M+, and FFXIV for the chill, community and story content, that was very interesting to listen to.
I’m only now getting into Savage raiding, first time doing high end content in any MMO. I’m glad to know FFXIV is a good place to invest that time. :)
So Lynx what your saying is our Savage Coffers are like schrodingers cat for gear 😂
Schrodinger's gear implies the possibility that the box is empty, which cannot be.
I’m just really happy you mentioned alliance raiding. For some players that’s the deepest they’ll go into raiding content.
honestly while i can see where people come from when they get angry at people skipping - if you genuinely have no interest in the story and just want the content, there’s no issue with it tho. what pisses me off abt it is when people skip the story and expect to still be able to understand it lmao.
glad you’ve been enjoying high end xiv content tho! welcome to eorzea!
This video made my mouth water for this content!
THANK YOU THANK THANK YOU
Great video
and im so glad you mentioned that you really dont have to care about the story/glamour ect if you want to enjoy the game
I would argue it's way easier to find 8 capable people instead of 20 in turn making the fight easier. Just the reduced blame drama must be fantastic.
I love 8 man raiding because everyone feels like a close friend in the group, in 20 man raids most people are in their little cliques of 5 that do m+ together and the group can feel very segregated.
@@NamesLynx i agree, i would think its a much better raid size, as i get some of the same feeling when doing 10-man karazhan in tbc classic (even tho thats now hard content).
Dam that's sounds amazing. Still leveling my WM and now I'm also looking forward for endgame heck yea!
Great video, I was wondering if there's a possibility to get a pic of ur UI, it seems really comfortable and nice to the eye.
Much of what you talk about here is also why as a relax raid player I like ff14 more. I hated the feeling in WoW where I was forced to do stuff I did not enjoy and pugs caused me to much stress.
more than the dificult, ultimate raids give cool xmogs for you to flex in limsa lominsa
Nice to see you doing vids again not really a consistent viewer but going back to game your hud layout and skills on hotbars vid really helped me out on enjoying the game more.that aside this is also a great vid that more people thinking of joining the game should look at.
Thank you so much for this amazing video!
In regards to the replayability of old bosses, while incredibly niche/part of a minority of players in ff14, Blue Mage has personally been a huge incentive for me to go back and do the older content I never cleared.
I started savage raiding this expac in Shadowbringers and never had a group to do the old raids Omega, Alex, or coils when they were relevant. But thanks to the Blue discord I've had a ton of fun progging fights like T13 and A12S to get more cosmetics and titles, and this requires no echo and synced item level so you mostly have to do the fights properly like they were intended (barring a few changes due to the nature of the job).
Personally, I'm really looking foward to when I unlock Blue Mage...
When/How was it you unlocked it again? ^_^;
@@ecchidragon8038 Once you beat the level 50 main story, a quest for Blue Mage should unlock in Limsa by the Aetheryte called Out of the Blue where you can begin!
@@NeoMusicGamer Thanks! :D
Great closing. The slowness at the beginning makes a lot of people quite FF14 early. But I always reccomend to play with someone you know to prog through it and once you get near the end, it's hard to stop playing.
sad to see someone who made such a good video follow it up 2 years later with a 10 piece combo of complete trash
Hardcore competitive Blue Mage Raider here. Really glad you did not scare off wow only raiders with the truest of raiding content.
Great video! Personally I feel Extreme Trials are way harder than "early Heroic" in WoW. I remember getting my Uncorrupted Voidwing on Heroic N'Zoth (as a healer) at 1st try, after stopping the game for months, and Extreme Hades or Titania are way harder than, let's say, Heroic Grong/Xanesh/Shad'ar from BFA. It would be closer to Heroic Jaina and Azshara. On the other hand, I also think Savage would be between late Heroic and late Mythic, but maybe not the lass boss which is often way harder than the rest. Ultimate would be "World 1st race" difficulty for a harder Uu'nat, with hundreds of pulls xD
Man i missed you lynx, i love your perspectives on the game and not being afraid of criticizing what needs to be criticized.
Great video. Im a raider in wow n was thinking about if i could be a raider in ffxiv like in wow. Your video answered just what i was looking for.
Recently doing a lot of ShB EX and even savage, its been fun honestly :)
This is everything I needed to hear about 14!
Bro BJCC with the nisei took me forever to prog. Biggest roadblock phase ever. Ultimate makes savage look like chump change.
Also big point about the replayability factor. I'm trying to get good at every single role. You just keep practicing to get good. Satisfied with that performance time to move onto the next role
True, I made it a personal goal of mine to be able to play every class proficiently. Not perfectly, but I learned the opener & rotation to every single class in the game, and spent many many hours at the striking dummy to do that.
tbh dealing with trash encounters these days is just anoying, gimme the bosses
I like hearing your perspective on this topic. I'm a hardcore FILTHY CASUL because I don't have the time to commit to raiding like I did back when I played endgame SWTOR. I'm here for the casual content primarily (glamour is my endgame), but I like seeing that hardcore raiders are having as much fun with their aspect of the game as I am with mine.
Great video for this time when a lot of WoW players are considering FFXIV. I think FFXIV will bring a ton of casuals and satisfy them, but this is a good argument on why hardcore raiders can enjoy FFXIV the same way.
Most raiders in wow do raids for gear though, not for the challenge of extremely hard bosses.
That's why only a dozen of guilds manage to kill the last boss of a mythic raid tier.
If ultimate bosses are as hard as the creator of this video says, then very few wow players will be attracted by the endgame raiding of FFXIV.
@@henrikswanstrom9218 There's still savage raids.; But yes, if your main goal to raiding is a longer treadmill of getting gear than FFXIV will have less of it. And as explained in the video, BiS is much easier to attain (for better or worse).
Great video, exactly what you should know without the fluff. This should be required reading for most of the WoW raiders looking at the game
Thank you for the video! I always see FFXIV WOW Videos and everyone forgot the Raids in FF....
Imagine actually not wasting your players time but rather giving them a choice of diverse content to earn their currency and gear themselves.
Not only that, but this is also clear prove an mmo doesnt need to timegate their players from fun activities to keep them in the game and a proof that cosmetic rewards and bragging rights is enough to motivate players to tackle conten, provided the content is good.
I wish WoW devs would actually understand this, then we could - once again - enjoy both games.
I remember doing the bahamut when it first released, i played in Japan server, i had to Party finder, every run, with no fixed party.. finally got that title after 1 year PF-ing😭😭 best feeling ever😭
So, I only do savage raiding, because ultimates scare the shit out of me. I am content with having beaten all 12 bosses of shadowbringers and knowing I could perform well enough, even though I switched from DRK to MCH at the end of second tier.
I appreciate your insight and have to give you credit, because ultimates are, as you said, the hardest content ever made. If I had to do 20 minutes of E12S Phase 1 mechanics, mixed in with some Shiva for good measure, I think I'd go insane.
I'm not sure if anyone will read this comment or more specfically question, but I have an honest question since you've done content in both games and thats in regards to difficulty. I'm a heroic raider and was never really good at it. Take a long time to learn mechanics compared to others, always being pretty low on dps and when I started to try FF, by the time I got to EW I've found a lot of the fights to be harder then what I ended up doing in Heroic. So my question being if I had such a hard time with something as easy as heroic raiding, Do I really have a chance in extreme or savage content when I can barely do the easiest difficulty of these fights?
Hey Lynx thank you for this video. As someone who is new to Ff 14 and started back in January (just reached 5.2) I am enjoying the game.
However, I am looking to get into the harder boss fights and raids on the game, and I have tanking anxiety. As a Dragoon main, I am looking to get into tanking while also trying to master harder content. But I just catheter over that mental and sometimes physical hurdle of being a tank. What should I do?
Thank you for everything and love your videos!
I've been tanking since I started and also had anxiety to begin with. The best thing you can do is just to remember that the fact that you're a tank doesn't mean much. You're basically just a blue DPS that's going to be taking the hits instead of someone else. It's true that you set the pace in dungeons etc, and that you'll have to move the boss around, but it's best to still think about it as a DPS.
For example, learning from your time as a Dragoon, where do you want the boss to be? You know that if it were you, you'd want easy access to flanks and for the boss not to move much and face roughly the same direction most of the time. Same principle for trash in dungeons - you'd want them all bunched up and with multiple pulls worth so you get the most out of your cooldowns. Work backwards from the DPS mentality and you'll feel much more comfortable about it eventually. Hope that helps!
They made tanking a whole lot easier when shadowbringers dropped, that being said it helps having a veteran tank in raid content that you can trust to have your back. I actually stepped up and played a tank in raid content during ShB and found it less stressful than DPS'ing.
Awesome video bro, i was skeptical about raiding in ff14 i honestly wasn't sure if i would like it but you've convinced me to give it a go.
I am lvl 15 conjurer on trial game and not playing a lot really as I'm still in everquest. But this video has really sold the game to me like no other
Thanks for the informative video. Do you think FF14 will ever reach the same level of endgame competition that exists in WoW via the world first race? Would love to see a Limit vs. Echo equivalent
I don’t think so. FF is a very personal game and this is indicative of the low viewcount on twitch (outside of this asmongold boom). The game is really fun to play, but not very fun to watch. Method, before they exploded, actually did host a world first race for the second savage tier of this expansion. It only reached around 5k viewers peak, as opposed to wow’s hundreds of thousands of viewers. The game still gets a ton of viewership on ultimate releases, but I don’t think the world first race will be streamed or have a community around it.
There actually is a community around "world first" it's just not streamed do to Certain things we won't mention bc yoship might be listening 😉. But there is a community and ranking system for world first
Hi, I actually have an issue with dungeons - that there are just not much reason to run most of the lvl50/60/70 dungeons.
By far my favorite FFXIV dungeon is Swallow's compass, but as a player who joined in ShB, I find very little reason to run even the lvl50/60/70 roulette and seeing it was even rarer after running it for the first time.
It can be useful to up other jobs. Even if it's not the best at last you get a change of mood. But I understand, I don't do them a lot too.
What world ranking was your guild in WoW?
Oh my God thank you. Just THANK YOU. My face is literally blood angels red from facepalms when another fucking youtuber says that if you want to raid maybe XIV is not the choice. Dont get me wrong story and side content is great but raids and combat gameplay flow is why i play this game. Even difficulty and gear aquisition aside - i just enjoy XIV rotation and class gameplay so much that i cant play other MMOs anymore. Even when i dont play it for some time i have an itch to come back and sit for 5-10 min on dummy cos it is just pure extazy for my fingers. Now empower all this with very good balance where you REALLY can play what you like( hello wow ), interesting as fuck savage/ultimate fights, good gear aquisition, better socialization ( beacause you know, it is much easier and healthier to be friends with 7 people and get to know them then with 19 baboons ), awesome feel of reward after boss kill when you master your rotation and can dance the fight without braking it and much more! I just wish more people see this video and more videos like this produced. If you are raider and feel sceptical because of all this - wow have better raiding nonsense - dude just try 14, dont rush it , have your time and you will get miracle level of enjoyment at the end content. Cheers.
You pointed out one thing that Lynx didn't really touch on but for me is my No. 1 motivation for playing FF14 over other MMOs. And that is honestly the class design. There are a few jobs that I'm kind of 'meh' on, but I can think of 7 jobs in FF14 that I absolutely adore playing. I compare this to WoW, and...while I LIKE a lot of the WoW classes, I don't love a single one like I do Samurai, Scholar, White Mage or Red Mage. The rotations are so fluid, less proc based (aside from dancer and bard maybe?), and the animations look soooo much better than WoW's combat animations IMO. And the best part of this, you can play any of the classes in the game right now at a high level, because they're all balanced.
Hey! Thanks for video. I was looking for a video just like this but I was also wondering about M+? I really only play WOW for mythic prog and high M+ so I'm curious if this game has the right content to keep me going. I don't really care about all the other stuffin the game lol
Watch Limit raid progression in FFXIV and listen to his comments on Ffxiv raid I guess.
My friends and I are more casual players who do play mostly for the story and glamor and those things. We have been doing Savage in Shadowbringers but didn't manage to clear Shiva, and are still trying to prog E12S. So not the best in the world by far. Still, I liked hearing the perspective of someone who is here for the raiding because you're right, not a lot of people talk about it. Just like there's a smaller but very active community for PVP, there's another community dedicated to raiding. The game is what you make it.
Asmon dropped me off here. GREAT video with TONS of great info. Im actually doin the SAME thing you are in game... im just slower. Thank you for this content, bruh
Hi, I just wanted to say I really love your content, and I especially enjoyed your "A Realm Rebored" video series where to poke fun at the MSQ, and hope you could continue that series to maybe even the expansions. Your humor in those videos are great!
I still have the character and could pick up the series but I'm not sure if I will since so much time has passed. I'll definitely put some thought into it, though.
Thanks for the video! I've been back and forth about whether or not to switch to FF14 and I've made the decision to do it. I'm looking forward to doing all of the Savage/Ultimate content the game has to offer.
I am curious about how you define a hardcore raider in WoW. Getting CE is most definitely a great accomplishment, but there is a big difference between getting CE late tier and consistently getting into the Hall of Fame. What was your experience like as a Mythic raider?