@@pranjalshelar3830 I’d bet that an angry dragon, whatever’s in the black lake, and a maze that tries to kill you is just about as dangerous to a 14 year old as a homeless wandless grown wizard would be to a 13 year old. Sirius didn’t have a wand until he stole Ron’s in the shack. Don’t forget Harry had physically beat and was about to straight up kill Sirius before crookshanks stalled and lupin showed up.
@@jar-jarsforceghost1352 what are you saying i have no idea what are you saying.... And harry was not going to kill serious obviously... He don't use the killing curse plus his principles... Otherwise what comparisons are you making is out of my reach🤣😂😂🤣
I think they are, because they’re only handling the clothes. In order to release a house elf, you have to specifically present the clothes to them, which Malfoy does when he specifically hands Dobby the diary. If they’re just touching clothes that aren’t being presented to them though, than that is not grounds for release
Charlotte Hardman Not really. Remember when Hermione tried placing garments everywhere in the Griffindor common room in order to get any unsuspecting house elf to be set free? No house eleves ever wanted to go there anymore. This means that you dont have to actually physically give them the clothes to set them free. Unless the house eleves somehow could “sense” Hermione’s intention through these garments hence why they didn’t dare touch them? Idk
@@ImALefty08 the house elves likely have both rules and zuperstitious feelings. The rules would allow then to be given clothes by students, because the students aren't allowed to free them, but they know the intention and dont want to do something that could be misconstrued to give them freedom. You can most likely give a elf clothing with the explicit instruction that it is laundry. Dobby likely took the rule literally when he interpreted that as being presented him with clothing. That's also why dobby wore the sock, to show he interpreted it as something for him to wear.
That or it's a really wasted opportunity... It's nice that Krum participated... Pity Harry just sat there like a bump on a log and burned to death... Real shame there.
Hermione Said “I'm going to bed before either of you think up of a clever idea to get us killed. Or worse, expelled!” So being expelled is worst than death that was it. He would been expelled from hogwarts
@@adamlolham1895 Adam He/She was probaly joking but I thing Hermione loves school that she finds being expelled worst then DeAtH (Never ask Voldemort to plan your wedding)
But immediately after Hermione says that, Ron says "She needs to sort out her priorities." Meaning that death is worse in anyone's eyes except Hermione's
All jokes aside, I think that expulsion really does seem pretty reasonable as a punishment. Like, if you didn't want to compete then don't put your name in the cup. Granted, Harry himself didn't have a choice in the matter so maybe they could have worked something out but nonetheless...
So the Goblet of Fire cannot recognize forgery/having someone else putting your name in the goblet? How can you be in a contract if someone forged your name?
phoenixrising7777 I think all the cups magical powers are concerning about age. Because the Weasleys enter their names but since they were using a spell the ring around the Goblet knew they weren't of age. The thing about forgery I think they got a paper that Harry signed and used that to submit in the Goblet
phoenixrising7777 The verbiage of the contract states putting your name in the cup is the obligating action. Harry never put the paper in the cup, so he shouldn't be obliged to compete. If anything Barth Crouch Jr. should be forced to compete.
Tylerian Pineapple The cup rules of the cup state that you must of a certain age and put a piece of paper with your name. The paper had Harry's name on it and a person of age or it in there. The Goblet had the ability to know the age of someone just not the actual person. I think the reason Harry's was last is because a charm was put on either the paper or the Goblet itself
Ty Villarreal True but no one thought that they should have a way to prevent/protect against forgery or having someone's name unwillingly put in the goblet given how they time and time again emphasized how deadly the competition is and how binding the contract is? How did no one think about that especially if they were worried about people under 17 competing?......A 17-year-old student could have put in another student's name who was going on vacation during the tournament and boom...now they suffer the consequences of “breaking the contract”.
If Harry didn't compete, he would never be able to use a cup. He would have to drink directly from bottles or currents for the rest of his life. Truly, a fait worse than death.
Voldemort just needed Harry's blood, not Harry himself, for the restoration potion. He could have just had someone obtain a little blit of Harry's blood for him.
Definitely. Say he did need Harry himself for some reason though, why didn't Moody/Crouch Jr just turn something like Harry's quill into a portkey instead? He was a teacher at Hogwarts so could have basically sent Harry to Voldemort when he was ready and not worry about the Tournament at all.
I'm sure given that the potion he used was dark magic, it had to be forcibly taken from Harry, as in when he was a hostage or captive or something. It's probably a condition that makes the potion work. Just getting some of Harry's blood from a scrap on his knee would probably not have as much power behind it.
@@TheEternalPheonix what about that part where Nicholas says that he can’t say that tell Harry what it’s like dying cos as a ghost he’s never actually died
According to Dumbledore, placing your name in the cup constitutes to contract, but Harry didn't place his name in the Goblet of Fire, Barty Crouch Jr. did, so there is no contract. Dumbledore and the other teachers only thought that Harry put his name in the cup, but really, nothing would have happened if Harry didn't complete.
I think the cup is aware of if the entriee is valid, becaus the weasley twins' name got rejected as they werent of age. Harry was 14 during goblet of fire which meant he also wasn't of age, so his name should've been rejected too. I don't think it matters who's name you put in as long as the person putting it in is of age because barty crouch jr was more than old enough and put Harry's name in and it was accepted..
The Goblet doesn't care how old you are. The regulation that only 7th-years can compete was added later for "safety" (Ha!). It was the "age line" that Dumberdore drew around the Goblet that prevented younger wizards from putting their names in. Otherwise, the Weasly twins wouldn't have bothered trying to fool the Age Line.
It could of easily been pulled having lily or james potter be the secret keeper and having voldemort attack and voldemort could use a tremendous amount of his power to pull of an advanced scrying spell that adds a little bit of dark magic in to get around the secret and then we continue the normal story from there
I like the idea that the consequence for breaking the Cup's contract was that the wizard would have their magic removed. This means it's incredibly dangerous for Harry to not compete - Albus wouldn't believe a Muggle could defeat Voldemort, and the Ministry would force him to compete too, since Harry's a celebrity in the magical world. Voldemort wants Harry to win (hence why Barty is so helpful) so that he can prove that he wasn't just defeated by an ordinary child.
I think it’s like the Unbreakable Vow, you must try your best to win. The very definition of competing is that you try to best others, so therefore you must fulfill that agreement.
But what happens if you don't? Or CAN you even choose not to? And if the price for not doing it is death, why on Earth would that be something you'd use for a contract in a school's competition? I mean, what if one of the students gets sick and can't compete?
We in the real world can re attach an arm that's been cut off. And yet the common cold is still a thing. Not to mention magical illnesses we know exist. The kind of stuff like the slug vomiting from Chamber of Secrets.
Lenia N. Ldzn it might need a tap/incantation from the champions wand on the paper that will be submitted into the cup. that's why Crouch stole Harry's wand in the Quidditch World Cup.
Does Dobby actually break any actual rules? I've been under the impression that since he cannot break them, he tries his best to outsmart them, which logically goes against their meaning, but not their wording, meaning he punishes himself for "bending" the rules rather than breaking them.
TheBrownie she left because Barty Crouch Jr told her to, and he is her master just as much as his father, Barty Crouch Sr. So she was following her master's orders by leaving.
Definitely. Malfoys never forbidden Doby from informing others because such lowly being is underneath their notice. Still for him it was pretty much betraying his masters hence the self-punishment, that he often got assigned by them anyway. Similar things happened with Kreacher which resulted in Sirius death.
Voldemort didn't let Harry die in the tournament because he wants to kill Harry himself Probably so he can do what he did in the deathly gallows where he was like "I killed Harry Potter I'm the best"
Neville should've just said Congrats... You killed a teenager on your 3rd attempt... Oh and look he's back.. Real nice work... Cause that's the amount of sass he gained in just one effing School Break...
I'm actually more concerned by the fact that Harry did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and yet somehow is part of a binding magical contract! Surely there's a way to prove that the contract doesn't count since HE HIMSELF did not sign his name. Perhaps using, I don't know, magic?! And if not, then Why didn't Dumbledore put Voldemort's name in the cup, thereby forcing him out of hiding. Or maybe that's a bold plan, but surely SOMEONE would use this to commit some kind of murder other than just voldemort?
Dustin Roehrig - Right? That's always bothered me. I don't expect everything to be consistent, but some things like this are SO logically inconsistent that it makes my brain hurt. If they could put an enchantment on a cup that made it so powerful as to automatically command obedience but was still dumb enough to be fooled if someone put another person's name in it, how could they not create a similar enchantment to suss out dark wizards? However, keep in mind that most didn't believe ol' Voldy was back yet. Dumbledore even had his doubts, iirc.
Yes, finally. A contract can't force you to do anything if you didn't yourself sign it. Really strange that he had to honor it despite not entering a contract, would've liked some explanation for this in the book. Or in this video, for that matter.
As to that, while "why don't they use this against criminals?" is certainly a good question... The guys was pretending to be a teacher. All he'd really have to do is tear Harry's signature off of some school paper. But really the goblet's pure brokenness is perhaps the biggest plot-holes in all of Harry Potter... And THAT is saying something
The Goblet was put under a very powerful Confundus Charm, according to Moody/Crouch Jr. This charm could have, and probably did, trick the Goblet into thinking that Harry had added his name in himself, taking care of the Goblet. Second, Barty Crouch Jr could have potentially swiped a piece of parchment on which Harry had written his name (He was disguised as a professor at the time, and he was known to wander the halls at night, and he DID add Harrys name to the Goblet), so if there was a way to check who wrote his name on the paper, it would still point back to Harry. This obviously wouldn't work with Voldemort unless you happen to find a piece of paper with his name written on it that he wrote AND you trick the Goblet into thinking it was Voldemort that added his name into the Goblet AND since he already kind of technically, but not fully, "died" by this point, he may not even be compelled at all, as he, for all intensive purposes, isn't alive anyway. The Goblet is also not just brought out for any regular occasion as well, meaning that it's misuse is pretty minimal at best.
Umm voldy couldn't let harry die. He needed his blood. Why? The spell to revive voldy specifically called for the blood of his enemy. Voldy could technically have used the blood of anyone that hates him (wormtail points this out), but he's too proud to use anyone but his most hated enemy. The only other candidate would have been dumbledore... and good luck with that one, voldy.
And that was his downfall. If he had of used anyone elses blood, he woud not of been as powerful, but would of succeeded in killing harry in the forbidden forest.
U know... Voldy does care about Harry's schoolreputation and points He always waits 'till the end of the year to attac so that Harry can finish his lessons first
But why did Voldemort need Harry in the Triwizard tournament in the first place? Why was the Triwizard Cup the only thing Barty Crouch jr. could've turned into a portkey?
One answer is that is how J. K. Rowling wrote it, but the other that makes sense within the universe the books take place in is that Voldemort was simply obsessive as all hell with Harry and the prophecy surrounding him (and likely anyone else that fits the prophecy's criteria if he ended up branding them instead of Harry as his 'equal'). I'd definitely say to the point that he himself wanted to be the one to kill Harry. He didn't want it to be any other way than by his own hand. It's why he even wanted Harry's blood to restore himself. He wanted it so that he could actually harm Harry with what ever he personally had at his disposal for magic. In short, he's an obsessive nutcase with vast magical knowledge and prowess. Nothing more, nothing less.
This drives me crazy. I mean, Barty Jr. went undercover for a YEAR under Dumbledore's nose and hijacked a complicated and rare magical tournament to do this. The fourth book should go like this: Day 1 of Defense Against the Dark Arts. FAKE MOODY: Harry, would you pass me that paperclip? *skip to chapter 32: the graveyard, minus Cedric dying* Moral: Don't hire Voldemort OR Barty Crouch Jr. to plan your wedding.
The idea was that Harry would simply show up dead in the maze & everyone would just assume that he'd died in the course of the tournament, thus keeping Voldemort's return secret. However, I still don't see why someone couldn't have just pricked Harry's finger while he was sleeping or something.
.... yes. Yes it was. You all realise that Dumbledore is the only one capable of making portkeys in and out of Hogwarts right? As the Triwizard Cup was a portkey and it was meant to take the winner from the middle of the maze to the podium. Therefor Dumbledore had to have been the one to turn it into a portkey. Barty junior just.... hijacked it and added a destination. It wasn't a return portkey it just used up its last destination.
Also, if I were Barty Crouch Jr, I would have just made the egg a portkey, just with a time limit, so like during the night when Harry is trying to figure it out in bed, it just transports him to Voldemort. But that's just me
Annabeth Granger : Indeed. Once you get someone outside the wards of Hogwarts, you can use any old thing as a Portkey, and Harry's so naïve that he'll touch anything you give him. ‘Harry was wondering exactly how they'd get there when Professor Quirrell said "Catch!" and threw a bronze Knut at him, and Harry caught it without thinking. A giant intangible hook caught at Harry's abdomen and yanked him back, hard, only without any sense of acceleration, and an instant later Harry was standing in the middle of Diagon Alley.’ (From the fanfic Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. Granted, that's a first-year AU Harry, but 4th-year canon!Harry would have fallen for it just as easily.)
Crouch Jr. never had access to the eggs, so he couldn't tamper with them. He was able to do so with the Triwizard Cup since it literally sat in a hall, day and night, out in the open, no supervision whatsoever.
soccerjonesy don't you remember when Filch and Snape almost caught Harry at night because he dropped the egg and Maurader's Map and Moody (Who was actually Crouch Jr.) took the egg and then gave it to Harry later?
i thought of that aswell. The only explanation (as far as i am concerned) is that Barty couldnt get to the egg before Harry. +Toby Bartels What you describe is a reflex-thing. Pretty much everyone would "fall" for it. Also book-Harry is quite a bit smarter than "movie-Harry". In book4 when he discovers the pensieve it first thinks of touching the silvery-substance inside but then decides to not do so because he knows that touching everything in the wizarding world is dangerous. So its pretty clear at that point that he would touch something "magical" if he has time to think about his action beforehand.
The best explanation for why Crouch doesn't just throw any random portkey at Harry at any point throughout the year is that creating them undetected from the Ministry isn't feasible. They reference this in the next book when Dumbledore portkeys them out of his office. The cup was always intended to be a portkey anyway so Fake!Moody got the rights to create one, he just modified the spell under the radar of the ministry to send it on a little detour before making it's way back to the outside of the maze. Now that satisfactory explanation still doesn't explain why Crouch didn't apparate Harry out of Hogsmeade or simply just steal a pint of blood at any point throughout the year.
I think the Goblet compels you to try your best. It's a very strong magic, you have no choice of backing out or slacking off. So either you win or you die trying to win. Fleur must be a powerful witch to be able to resist it and give up. Like in the scene when both Cedric and Harry are running towards the cup they kind of push each other to get ahead which is very against their nature. And Harry who himself said he doesn't want glory ends up contemplating between seeking the cup ie eternal glory vs saving his friend.
Amazing theory! Think that might be it, and Dumbledore might’ve decided to use the cup to test Harry’s resilience towards magical mind control once again
As for Snape letting Draco fail twice before interfering, I have a theory: the first two attempts weren't part of the plan, they were Draco's own ideas. The plan was always the repairing of the Vanishing Cabinet, to sneak Bellatrix Lestrange & co. into Hogwarts, and witness Draco's murder (or failure at it) of Dumbledore. Draco, however, feared he would fail at killing Dumbledore in cold blood in front of Voldemort's most loyal followers. So, he came up with ideas so that he wouldn't have to get there. The only way for that was to make Dumbledore dead before the Cabinet is fully repaired. So, he tried twice, and only had to get up at the tower because both tries failed. As the plan for the tower was still about to unfold, the first two attempts didn't force Snape to interfere, as as long as he still kills Dumbledore in the tower, the vow is fulfilled. He also didn't want to help Draco because he also needed to kill Dumbledore in front of the witnesses. Otherwise he, knowing about the plan, would have come up with something, but if Dumbledore dies before Bellatrix and the others can witness it, his plan to prove himself fails.
I’d always assumed that the punishment for breaking a magical contract was to lose your magic, considering how little most magicals know about muggles having to live like one would be quite a punishment.
Given that Dumbledore was using the pensive with the memory of Crouch's trial, I think that he would have known that Moody was Crouch and he made Harry compete so that he'd find out about Voldemort's return and try to stop it. It is implied (if not stated) in the novels that Dumbledore cares more about killing Voldemort than harry's own well being.
The reason Voldemort brought Harry to him rather than just have him killed during the Tournament was because he desired to kill Harry directly. It would have proved that he could defeat the child who had nearly killed him before. Not only would that have bolstered morale among Voldemort's followers, but may have had a magical influence as well. Also, Harry didn't have to compete: the teachers could have worked some magic to break the contract. That is what Prof McGonnagall advocated. But Prof Snape and Prof Dumbledore wanted to let Harry compete in order to use him as bait.
Hello fellow slytherin. I just wanted to tell you, that you made a fine comment. Didn't remember that Snape and Dumbledore wanted to use Harry as bait. Time for me to read the fourth book again, I guess.
The book is a bit more subtle, but the movie uses that exact word: Professor Snape: Headmaster I too find it difficult to believe this mere coincidence, however, if we are to truly discover the meaning of these events, perhaps we should, for the time being, let them unfold. Professor McGonagall: Do nothing? Offer him up as bait? Potter is a boy! Not a piece of meat! Dumbledore: I agree with Severus.
Remember that crouch senior was under the imperious curse from moody/ crouch Jr and he needed to make sure harry got into the tournament so he made his dad say magical binding contract
Ok you're comment just explained it all to me, everything makes perfect sense now. (no sarcasm here, being genuine) Barty Crouch Snr being made to say magical binding contract and convincing all other teachers and Ludo Bagman that this is law is actually brilliant, he could easily convince them, he is one of the more senior members of the Ministry. I never once thought when Barty Crouch snr. said this that he was not being untruthful, but now..... Genius. :)
@@devanyehansen2162 Late to the discussion, but what if the rules actually were unclear and it took a judge, Barty Crouch Snr. to interprete the law. If breaking a magical binding contract is punished by law and not the goblet of fire itself, one could not easily circumvent that decision. If Harry didn't participate this might have meant expelling or Azkaban. And Dumbledore wouldn't have had any power to prevent that.
Actually, I think the reason the Goblet picked two people from Hogwarts is because Barty Crouch jr. put Harry’s name under a fake school. The goblet didn’t know Harry was another Hogwarts student. Barty also probably used some form of dark magic to trick the goblet into accepting Harry’s name, altering the contract so Harry didn’t need to be the one who put his name in.
Harry didn’t put it in himself, though. He didn’t enter the contract. If I buy a car and sign your name on the loan, you’re not responsible for the loan. You didn’t sign the contract. Harry didn’t sign the contract because he didn’t enter himself. Barty Crouch Jr entered him- without his permission. Identity theft. Yet, Harry is held to a contract he never entered into.
Barty did have access to Harry's handwriting. He could have ripped Harry's name off of his homework and put that in the goblet. That would at least take care of having the name written by Harry.
SakurakoO.O That legitimately why. He just wanted to kill Harry himself, because he hated people calling him "The boy who lived" and saying how he beat him.
TBH Voldemort's like a teenaged girl... He has a diary, a special cup, a fancy ring, a locket, a crown, a pet he adores, and an obsession with a famous teenaged boy...
Delaney Strandberg The job positions in the books are so limited! Most jobs I see in the books seem like only one person is needed to do them in all of the UK. How many wand makers do you need for the population of magical UK? Seems to be only one or maybe two if there's someone in Knockturn. Same goes for taxi service, the only job as a driver seems to be the Knight Bus, so maybe there's Stan and couple other other wizards/witches for his off hours, but that's it. In all of Hogwarts there are only, what, twelve or thirteen adults running the whole school plus part-time position of the school governors, that's it. Everything else is mostly shop clerks (eg any of the shops gone to for school supplies) and some skilled repair services (eg tailors). We mostly see people in food service, including the candy trolley hag on the train. Then there's curse breaking, the press/entertainment, magical animal management, and government bureaucracy, and the Aurors. There is the shape to society here, but...it doesn't look like there's a lot of space for people. There's not enough positions and varied types of jobs. I don't think everyone who goes to Hogwarts can expect to find a job anywhere. Who's hiring?
All jobs a society would have are represented in there. Any job that exists pre-industrial age definitely exists in the Harry Potter universe. Why? Because they are entirely disconnected from it. Sure they'll trade over Muggle parents money to wizard money, but they don't even understand how they dress, to a degree that it is extremely insulting, especially since it isn't even all that confusing. But whatever. Point stands, all pre-industrial age jobs are available for sure.
Have you heard the theory that the reason Harry survived as a baby was bc Snape made an unbreakable vow with Voldy that he wouldnt kill Lily? And he did so thats what made his next spell backfire and kill him (or wouldve if he didnt have horcruxes) Sorry i didnt credit whoever came up with this but idk who it was #especiallythezefronposter
So Snape, a powerful wizard, would be on his side. Tom would never consider much of it, only thinking it it was a foolish sentiment that was worth having one of the world's greatest potion masters on his side.
Voldemort never trusted anyone completely. He only trusted Snape in HBP when he killed Dumbledore. Voldemort worked alone. He had the death eaters but they were always second to him. He would never make a vow that would threaten his life with someone else, especially since snape wasn't that valuable to him at the time.
Que The Sparkle imho it is the dumbest theory ever and goes against all the lore from the books. I will admit to being a book purist and I really loved the books while feeling rather bland about the movies and again imho this is why reading the books is much more informative than just watching the movies. the reason why SCB make sound theories and are able to analyze them so well is that they have read and reread the books.
The fact that Harry was not the person who put his name in the goblet should have immediately made any contract null and void. Harry didn't put his name in so he didn't enter into a contract. But hey poor writing beats common sense
For the prestige and the 1000 wizard Galleons of course! The prestige of winning (i.e. surviving) the first Tri-Wizard championship in ages? Hells yeah! Think of the groupies...think of the Galleons!
exactly. Also think of quidditch. Everyon totally loves to play it but if u think about it its incredibly dangerous... and u dont get a lot of reward of it. I guess the wizarding world is just a lot more into risking ones life than our muggle-world. Cultural disparity i would suggest XD
6:00, with the help he got and kid skill as a wizard, they seemed assured in his survival, until Voldemort got his chance to kill him. Sure it was risky but the tournament was also a way to disguise their plans for harry. They couldn’t have just tried abducting Harry or else his allies found find out quickly, and the peril that Harry was already going through in the tasks served as a distraction to hide the true motives of Harry even being put in the tournament. Everyone including Harry was focused more on him surviving the tasks than what was going on in the shadows. Also thinking back on the final task, with how Cedric attempted to attack a bewitched Krum and then struggled with harry as they were racing to the cup and how harry almost didnt help Cedric makes it seem plausible that the contract, or at the very least, the maze, is able to influence the actions and behavior of its participants, like a playable chapter in a video game, controlled by a script of the games progression system.
Maybe it's like "swearing on the River Styx" in the Percy Jackson universe, where you are put in a year-long coma filled with nightmares that are "worse than death". So scary they can permenantly damage your mind.
Usually contracts have to be signed by the person entering them, he shouldn't have been required to compete if he didn't write his name on the parchment that was submitted. Moody could have taken it from some homework, I don't think they specify whose writing it is, but if Moody just wrote his name and put it in, then Harry shouldn't have been entered.
I always assumed (from book snippets, interviews and possibly a little too much fanfiction) that: 1 - The Goblet was tricked - not easily, with a very complex spell - to accept a new school and that Harry was its sole student - I think it was a strong Confundus charm but I can't remember exactly. To be honest, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that schools could be added or removed from the competition (even if that implies a name change for the actual tournament) but that might require the cooperation of all Headmasters. 2 - Fake Moody/Crouch Jr used his position as a teacher to steal Harry's name from his DADA homework - so technically, Harry did sign his name on a piece of parchment out of his own free will and that paper was then entered into the Goblet of Fire - so, I assume, the Goblet does not recognize intent or maybe it was just tricked again. 3 - When they say magically binding contract, I always assumed the consequences for breaking it would be dire - death or losing one's magic (the latter would be a wizard's worst nightmare, I think, especially those of the old pureblood lines). I suppose Magic can be a little unforgiving in this world... 4 - I have never considered what would happen if Harry hadn't actually tried to win, participating as little as possible (that is interesting!). I do think that Dumbledore was a proud man, confident in his own power and I think, for all that he liked Harry, that he was willing to use him as bait to find the dark wizard that had infiltrated his school. In his defense, he might've considered that Harry was safest at Hogwarts, surrounded by his teachers. I also think Dumbledore could've found a way around the contract if he really, really wanted but then the threat to Harry would still be present, hiding in the shadows (the tournament rules are more like guidelines few follow so I'm pretty sure Dumbledore could've helped Harry and made sure he was safe during each task - was he testing him? Preparing him for his prophesied showdown with Voldy? Who knows). We know why Harry participated in the first two tasks: he HAD to get the golden egg to get away from the dragon as quickly as possible and he will always try to save his friend. The third task... well, that one might've been his choice or a compulsion to keep moving forward placed within the maze. Or maybe Harry was just tired of being the spare champion and he really wanted to win. Perhaps, in good Harry fashion, it never even crossed his mind not to try. Okay... that turned out way longer than I expected.
I agree. I think it's a variation of the same spell used to create the Unbreakable Vow, except it's applied to an inanimate object instead of a pair of wizards.
The philosopher Gamer I think it's just because I've watched them and rewatched them so many times, and it's the same with series I watch, but I guess that's because you know exactly what's going to happen?
0:29 Lol he says this as a hat tells u where u live for 7 yrs. A book and quill judges if ur magical enough and a sword is like okay ur cool u can use me
"The placeing of your name in the goblet constitutes a binding, magical contract" However, harry never did place his name into it. So that means he's not under contract, whats-his-name who did put harry's name in should be under contract.
I think voldemort needed his blood cause the protective spell from lilys sacrifice made him untouchable by voldemorts magic as well. When he talks about it in the forth movie he gives the example "you see when lily potter gave her life to protect him she gave him the ultimate protection. I couldn't touch him". He makes it sound as his magic would never have worked on harry if he didn't have his blood to share the protection and therefor "touch" him
A fictional universe this intense and this big is bound to have some logical inconsistencies and errors... And certain things will always be for speculated and debated by the audience and never be explicitly stated
You, sir deserve a medal. This is exactly why I am able to enjoy Star Wars, MLP, Dragonball, Kingdom Hearts, and even Fairy Tail, despite their many writing flaws.
But here's the thing, this NEEDS an explanation. The only reason why this plan even works is the fact that Harry is forced to compete yet we don't have any indication of why other than magical contract. It could have easily been fixed by just having everyone tell Harry he can choose not to compete if he doesn't want to, he says he wants to, and despite Dumbledore's protest, by the rules of the Triwizard Tournament, there's nothing he can do to stop him. Simple and gives interesting development for Harry moving forward since he would technically be to blame for Voldemort's rebirth.
Zigginz I am too, when I saw the Instagram post of him with a chalkboard that was pointing to Beth's stomach that said ADVENTURE IS IN THERE!! I flipped out. I was so excited
There's one other thing that bothers me, I can't remember if it was explained in the books: all of the youngsters in the school dreamed about taking part in the competition, but they couldn't because of the spell that allowed only the 17 yo or older to put their names in the goblet. Then Harry's name is put there by Moody - so my question is: why all those teenagers, who dreamed of taking part in the tournament couldn't just ask older friends to put their names in the goblet?
Yep, it is even mentioned by Dumbledore, who asks Harry the exact same thing. Probably the other students just didn't realise it could be that simple, because the age restriction was used for the first time (there was no restriction in the previous competitions)
Can't go into town on field trip without permission slip from parents.
Forced into life or death tournament without his knowledge.
Ah yes, makes perfect sense!
Can't go into town on field trip without permission slip from *dead* parents*
Because serious black was in search that dear😒😒 thats the real reason
@@pranjalshelar3830 I’d bet that an angry dragon, whatever’s in the black lake, and a maze that tries to kill you is just about as dangerous to a 14 year old as a homeless wandless grown wizard would be to a 13 year old. Sirius didn’t have a wand until he stole Ron’s in the shack. Don’t forget Harry had physically beat and was about to straight up kill Sirius before crookshanks stalled and lupin showed up.
@@jar-jarsforceghost1352 what are you saying i have no idea what are you saying.... And harry was not going to kill serious obviously... He don't use the killing curse plus his principles... Otherwise what comparisons are you making is out of my reach🤣😂😂🤣
Triwizard cup: you play me, you die... You don't play me, you die too
Jigsaw: OMG! Did we just become best friends?
"I wanna play a game with you... Oh no, i have a better idea... a great tournament of many games!"
Harry: accio firebolt.
Clever people : accio egg
Best Idea ever.
And then he could have been like Accio Ron.
Itz tiny Kookie thx
Accio win lol
genius
"Is laundry like the one thing that house-elves can't do?"
omg i was wondering that too
I think they are, because they’re only handling the clothes. In order to release a house elf, you have to specifically present the clothes to them, which Malfoy does when he specifically hands Dobby the diary. If they’re just touching clothes that aren’t being presented to them though, than that is not grounds for release
You dont need to give them the clothes, you can order them to do laundry, and let them figure out where the dirty clothes are.
They can do the laundry. Even Ron says "Mom is always wishing we had a house elf to do the washing"
Charlotte Hardman Not really. Remember when Hermione tried placing garments everywhere in the Griffindor common room in order to get any unsuspecting house elf to be set free? No house eleves ever wanted to go there anymore. This means that you dont have to actually physically give them the clothes to set them free. Unless the house eleves somehow could “sense” Hermione’s intention through these garments hence why they didn’t dare touch them? Idk
@@ImALefty08 the house elves likely have both rules and zuperstitious feelings. The rules would allow then to be given clothes by students, because the students aren't allowed to free them, but they know the intention and dont want to do something that could be misconstrued to give them freedom.
You can most likely give a elf clothing with the explicit instruction that it is laundry. Dobby likely took the rule literally when he interpreted that as being presented him with clothing. That's also why dobby wore the sock, to show he interpreted it as something for him to wear.
Ben : How are you going to wake up dead?
Me : Professor Binns woke up dead , didn't he??
hehe, good one. Personally, I'd love to take Prof Binns class.
What about if you turn up missing?
cause you're alive when you go to sleep
Vanda Lecchino yesssssssssss
True
Maybe it's a moral thing. Wizards don't even think about breaking a magical contract, it's (lol) unthinkable.
That or it's a really wasted opportunity... It's nice that Krum participated... Pity Harry just sat there like a bump on a log and burned to death... Real shame there.
Hermione Said “I'm going to bed before either of you think up of a clever idea to get us killed. Or worse, expelled!” So being expelled is worst than death that was it. He would been expelled from hogwarts
@@adamlolham1895 Adam He/She was probaly joking but I thing Hermione loves school that she finds being expelled worst then DeAtH (Never ask Voldemort to plan your wedding)
But immediately after Hermione says that, Ron says "She needs to sort out her priorities." Meaning that death is worse in anyone's eyes except Hermione's
@@lilyjustham joke
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For harry, expelled was worse. He survived death.
All jokes aside, I think that expulsion really does seem pretty reasonable as a punishment. Like, if you didn't want to compete then don't put your name in the cup. Granted, Harry himself didn't have a choice in the matter so maybe they could have worked something out but nonetheless...
Never hire Voldemort to plan your wedding.
Ben 2017
TheD-Rock900 or George R.R. Martin
Yes. I am terrible with that kind of planning.
yep
TheD-Rock900 😂😂
I would lol 😂
"Never hire Voldemort to plan a wedding"
can we get that on a shirt?
Edgy Aspensnow Voldemort’s lateral career move.
But he's dead
oof master he’s not real.
YESSSS
@@TheWarrrenator Thewarrinator I'm aware of that I'm not 4
Seems horcruxes doesn't just Split Your soul.. But Your brain cells as well 😂😂
Dammit that one's good 😂 would you mind if I used it sometime? :D
MapleWoodTV HAAHHAAH
MapleWoodTV I don't get it
+Laven sure, go ahead 😂
Oh Snapith
*HARRY DID YA PUTT YOUR NAME IN THA GOBLET OF FIYAH!?*
Dumbledore asked calmly
*HARRY DIDHA PUT YA NAME IN DA GOBLET OF FIYAH?!?!*
Said calmly
Dumbledore asked calmly lol from the book
@@kndcrpr No sir
In the Goblet Of Fire
Me: Tri Wizard Tournament? More like Quad Wizard Tournament
So the Goblet of Fire cannot recognize forgery/having someone else putting your name in the goblet? How can you be in a contract if someone forged your name?
phoenixrising7777 I think all the cups magical powers are concerning about age. Because the Weasleys enter their names but since they were using a spell the ring around the Goblet knew they weren't of age. The thing about forgery I think they got a paper that Harry signed and used that to submit in the Goblet
phoenixrising7777 The verbiage of the contract states putting your name in the cup is the obligating action. Harry never put the paper in the cup, so he shouldn't be obliged to compete. If anything Barth Crouch Jr. should be forced to compete.
Tylerian Pineapple The cup rules of the cup state that you must of a certain age and put a piece of paper with your name. The paper had Harry's name on it and a person of age or it in there. The Goblet had the ability to know the age of someone just not the actual person. I think the reason Harry's was last is because a charm was put on either the paper or the Goblet itself
phoenixrising7777 I
Ty Villarreal True but no one thought that they should have a way to prevent/protect against forgery or having someone's name unwillingly put in the goblet given how they time and time again emphasized how deadly the competition is and how binding the contract is? How did no one think about that especially if they were worried about people under 17 competing?......A 17-year-old student could have put in another student's name who was going on vacation during the tournament and boom...now they suffer the consequences of “breaking the contract”.
If Harry didn't compete, he would never be able to use a cup. He would have to drink directly from bottles or currents for the rest of his life.
Truly, a fait worse than death.
Voldemort just needed Harry's blood, not Harry himself, for the restoration potion. He could have just had someone obtain a little blit of Harry's blood for him.
Definitely. Say he did need Harry himself for some reason though, why didn't Moody/Crouch Jr just turn something like Harry's quill into a portkey instead? He was a teacher at Hogwarts so could have basically sent Harry to Voldemort when he was ready and not worry about the Tournament at all.
I'm sure given that the potion he used was dark magic, it had to be forcibly taken from Harry, as in when he was a hostage or captive or something. It's probably a condition that makes the potion work. Just getting some of Harry's blood from a scrap on his knee would probably not have as much power behind it.
he didnt even need Harry's blood anyother blood will work as well! he wanted to kill Harry himself! As an unfinished buisiness from the past !
Right he could have just stolen his used bandages from the hospital wing.
(Gross lol)
@@HunterBelkiran yes I do believe you're right. I think the exact line is 'blood of the enemy, forcibly taken.'
Every ghost wakes up dead... every day
Do ghost sleep tho
Aren’t ghosts like technically not dead
@@enderreaper1482 No, ghosts are definitely dead.
@@TheEternalPheonix what about that part where Nicholas says that he can’t say that tell Harry what it’s like dying cos as a ghost he’s never actually died
@@enderreaper1482 I think that this is just a misconception that he holds, probably due to some religious conviction of some sort.
According to Dumbledore, placing your name in the cup constitutes to contract, but Harry didn't place his name in the Goblet of Fire, Barty Crouch Jr. did, so there is no contract. Dumbledore and the other teachers only thought that Harry put his name in the cup, but really, nothing would have happened if Harry didn't complete.
It didn't matter whether he put his name in or not. As long as his name was entered and selected he would have to compete
I think the cup is aware of if the entriee is valid, becaus the weasley twins' name got rejected as they werent of age. Harry was 14 during goblet of fire which meant he also wasn't of age, so his name should've been rejected too. I don't think it matters who's name you put in as long as the person putting it in is of age because barty crouch jr was more than old enough and put Harry's name in and it was accepted..
The entry was valid, but the contract wasn't is what I'm saying.
The Goblet doesn't care how old you are. The regulation that only 7th-years can compete was added later for "safety" (Ha!). It was the "age line" that Dumberdore drew around the Goblet that prevented younger wizards from putting their names in. Otherwise, the Weasly twins wouldn't have bothered trying to fool the Age Line.
Dumbelodre knew Harry didn't put his name in. He used legimens on Harry when asking if he put the cup in.
-Death is better than definite death
Best quote of 2017
ilia zamanabadi Maybe death is better than definite death
Best quote of 2017
maybe death is better than definit death
Actually, i think i want Voldemort to plan my wedding.
He seems to know how to make things exiting
But then he will want to touch you.
He definitely has a flair for the dramatics...
Wouldn't it just be easier if lily or james were their own secret keeper? Could have avoided this whole thing
or dumbledore.
Zoe MacDonald would it then be a story, the answer is no
@@gustavstrom4349 would have saved them a lot of trouble in the long run tho lol
It could of easily been pulled having lily or james potter be the secret keeper and having voldemort attack and voldemort could use a tremendous amount of his power to pull of an advanced scrying spell that adds a little bit of dark magic in to get around the secret and then we continue the normal story from there
Also if Voldemort had been the secret keeper for the Gaunt house and that cave by the sea he could've saved himself from being killed
I like the idea that the consequence for breaking the Cup's contract was that the wizard would have their magic removed. This means it's incredibly dangerous for Harry to not compete - Albus wouldn't believe a Muggle could defeat Voldemort, and the Ministry would force him to compete too, since Harry's a celebrity in the magical world.
Voldemort wants Harry to win (hence why Barty is so helpful) so that he can prove that he wasn't just defeated by an ordinary child.
I think it’s like the Unbreakable Vow, you must try your best to win. The very definition of competing is that you try to best others, so therefore you must fulfill that agreement.
But what happens if you don't? Or CAN you even choose not to? And if the price for not doing it is death, why on Earth would that be something you'd use for a contract in a school's competition? I mean, what if one of the students gets sick and can't compete?
Sean Black IDK man LOL.
Sean Black Harry grew back the bones in his arm what makes you think sick is a problem?
We in the real world can re attach an arm that's been cut off. And yet the common cold is still a thing. Not to mention magical illnesses we know exist. The kind of stuff like the slug vomiting from Chamber of Secrets.
Lenia N. Ldzn it might need a tap/incantation from the champions wand on the paper that will be submitted into the cup.
that's why Crouch stole Harry's wand in the Quidditch World Cup.
"...your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness..” - Dumbledore
For example, being expelled!
“How ya gonna wake dead?” I’m dead now😂😂
Mr. Mustache But did you wake up that way?
OptimusPhillip yes I’m a zombie 🧟♂️
If your dead then how did you type this nearly headless nick
Montes Montes He said he's dead, not dumb. Some ghosts can interfere with physical world objects.
4:28
Does Dobby actually break any actual rules? I've been under the impression that since he cannot break them, he tries his best to outsmart them, which logically goes against their meaning, but not their wording, meaning he punishes himself for "bending" the rules rather than breaking them.
What about Winky leaving the Quidditch Match against the Orderst of her master?
TheBrownie she left because Barty Crouch Jr told her to, and he is her master just as much as his father, Barty Crouch Sr. So she was following her master's orders by leaving.
Definitely. Malfoys never forbidden Doby from informing others because such lowly being is underneath their notice. Still for him it was pretty much betraying his masters hence the self-punishment, that he often got assigned by them anyway.
Similar things happened with Kreacher which resulted in Sirius death.
Voldemort didn't let Harry die in the tournament because he wants to kill Harry himself
Probably so he can do what he did in the deathly gallows where he was like "I killed Harry Potter I'm the best"
Mappy Dog don't forget the laugh he does when saying it
Matthew Hay EH HEH HEH
Neville should've just said Congrats... You killed a teenager on your 3rd attempt... Oh and look he's back.. Real nice work... Cause that's the amount of sass he gained in just one effing School Break...
Never let Voldemort plan your funeral because it’ll be everyone’s
"How do you even wake up dead?"
Ask prof binns lol
I'm actually more concerned by the fact that Harry did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and yet somehow is part of a binding magical contract! Surely there's a way to prove that the contract doesn't count since HE HIMSELF did not sign his name. Perhaps using, I don't know, magic?! And if not, then Why didn't Dumbledore put Voldemort's name in the cup, thereby forcing him out of hiding. Or maybe that's a bold plan, but surely SOMEONE would use this to commit some kind of murder other than just voldemort?
Dustin Roehrig - Right? That's always bothered me. I don't expect everything to be consistent, but some things like this are SO logically inconsistent that it makes my brain hurt.
If they could put an enchantment on a cup that made it so powerful as to automatically command obedience but was still dumb enough to be fooled if someone put another person's name in it, how could they not create a similar enchantment to suss out dark wizards?
However, keep in mind that most didn't believe ol' Voldy was back yet. Dumbledore even had his doubts, iirc.
Yes, finally. A contract can't force you to do anything if you didn't yourself sign it. Really strange that he had to honor it despite not entering a contract, would've liked some explanation for this in the book. Or in this video, for that matter.
As to that, while "why don't they use this against criminals?" is certainly a good question... The guys was pretending to be a teacher. All he'd really have to do is tear Harry's signature off of some school paper.
But really the goblet's pure brokenness is perhaps the biggest plot-holes in all of Harry Potter... And THAT is saying something
The Goblet was put under a very powerful Confundus Charm, according to Moody/Crouch Jr. This charm could have, and probably did, trick the Goblet into thinking that Harry had added his name in himself, taking care of the Goblet. Second, Barty Crouch Jr could have potentially swiped a piece of parchment on which Harry had written his name (He was disguised as a professor at the time, and he was known to wander the halls at night, and he DID add Harrys name to the Goblet), so if there was a way to check who wrote his name on the paper, it would still point back to Harry.
This obviously wouldn't work with Voldemort unless you happen to find a piece of paper with his name written on it that he wrote AND you trick the Goblet into thinking it was Voldemort that added his name into the Goblet AND since he already kind of technically, but not fully, "died" by this point, he may not even be compelled at all, as he, for all intensive purposes, isn't alive anyway.
The Goblet is also not just brought out for any regular occasion as well, meaning that it's misuse is pretty minimal at best.
I don't think this has been proven but I believe that the Goblet can't just take any name. It must be someone who attends one of the three schools.
Ben: oh is that... oh, nope it's just that... light breeze again🙁
Me: I'm dead 😂😂😂
At first, I loved these theory videos. But now they're starting to make me see all the holes in one of my favorite things ever...
3:46 Why does this dragon breathing fire remind me of the Air Nomad Genocide in Avatar: The Last Airbender?
Umm voldy couldn't let harry die. He needed his blood.
Why? The spell to revive voldy specifically called for the blood of his enemy. Voldy could technically have used the blood of anyone that hates him (wormtail points this out), but he's too proud to use anyone but his most hated enemy. The only other candidate would have been dumbledore... and good luck with that one, voldy.
I know it's late but Dumbledore did give him his blood in the cave in Half Blood Prince
Once again Voldy's life is complicated by his need for drama
And that was his downfall. If he had of used anyone elses blood, he woud not of been as powerful, but would of succeeded in killing harry in the forbidden forest.
U know...
Voldy does care about Harry's schoolreputation and points
He always waits 'till the end of the year to attac so that Harry can finish his lessons first
@@alexisdaly1051 Yep
But why did Voldemort need Harry in the Triwizard tournament in the first place? Why was the Triwizard Cup the only thing Barty Crouch jr. could've turned into a portkey?
One answer is that is how J. K. Rowling wrote it, but the other that makes sense within the universe the books take place in is that Voldemort was simply obsessive as all hell with Harry and the prophecy surrounding him (and likely anyone else that fits the prophecy's criteria if he ended up branding them instead of Harry as his 'equal'). I'd definitely say to the point that he himself wanted to be the one to kill Harry. He didn't want it to be any other way than by his own hand. It's why he even wanted Harry's blood to restore himself. He wanted it so that he could actually harm Harry with what ever he personally had at his disposal for magic.
In short, he's an obsessive nutcase with vast magical knowledge and prowess. Nothing more, nothing less.
Jappy Stache why not his breakfast waffles
This drives me crazy. I mean, Barty Jr. went undercover for a YEAR under Dumbledore's nose and hijacked a complicated and rare magical tournament to do this. The fourth book should go like this:
Day 1 of Defense Against the Dark Arts.
FAKE MOODY: Harry, would you pass me that paperclip?
*skip to chapter 32: the graveyard, minus Cedric dying*
Moral: Don't hire Voldemort OR Barty Crouch Jr. to plan your wedding.
The idea was that Harry would simply show up dead in the maze & everyone would just assume that he'd died in the course of the tournament, thus keeping Voldemort's return secret. However, I still don't see why someone couldn't have just pricked Harry's finger while he was sleeping or something.
.... yes. Yes it was. You all realise that Dumbledore is the only one capable of making portkeys in and out of Hogwarts right? As the Triwizard Cup was a portkey and it was meant to take the winner from the middle of the maze to the podium. Therefor Dumbledore had to have been the one to turn it into a portkey. Barty junior just.... hijacked it and added a destination. It wasn't a return portkey it just used up its last destination.
So basically, if Harry doesn't compete then he definitely dies, but if he does compete then there's a possibility that he might live.
Cool
Ben : How are u going to wake up dead
Me: hector from coco woke up dead
tru
harry: what do you want from me?!
the goblet of fire: i want to play a game. live or die, make your choice
Also, if I were Barty Crouch Jr, I would have just made the egg a portkey, just with a time limit, so like during the night when Harry is trying to figure it out in bed, it just transports him to Voldemort.
But that's just me
Annabeth Granger : Indeed. Once you get someone outside the wards of Hogwarts, you can use any old thing as a Portkey, and Harry's so naïve that he'll touch anything you give him.
‘Harry was wondering exactly how they'd get there when Professor Quirrell said "Catch!" and threw a bronze Knut at him, and Harry caught it without thinking. A giant intangible hook caught at Harry's abdomen and yanked him back, hard, only without any sense of acceleration, and an instant later Harry was standing in the middle of Diagon Alley.’
(From the fanfic Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. Granted, that's a first-year AU Harry, but 4th-year canon!Harry would have fallen for it just as easily.)
Crouch Jr. never had access to the eggs, so he couldn't tamper with them. He was able to do so with the Triwizard Cup since it literally sat in a hall, day and night, out in the open, no supervision whatsoever.
soccerjonesy don't you remember when Filch and Snape almost caught Harry at night because he dropped the egg and Maurader's Map and Moody (Who was actually Crouch Jr.) took the egg and then gave it to Harry later?
i thought of that aswell. The only explanation (as far as i am concerned) is that Barty couldnt get to the egg before Harry.
+Toby Bartels
What you describe is a reflex-thing. Pretty much everyone would "fall" for it. Also book-Harry is quite a bit smarter than "movie-Harry".
In book4 when he discovers the pensieve it first thinks of touching the silvery-substance inside but then decides to not do so because he knows that touching everything in the wizarding world is dangerous. So its pretty clear at that point that he would touch something "magical" if he has time to think about his action beforehand.
The best explanation for why Crouch doesn't just throw any random portkey at Harry at any point throughout the year is that creating them undetected from the Ministry isn't feasible. They reference this in the next book when Dumbledore portkeys them out of his office. The cup was always intended to be a portkey anyway so Fake!Moody got the rights to create one, he just modified the spell under the radar of the ministry to send it on a little detour before making it's way back to the outside of the maze.
Now that satisfactory explanation still doesn't explain why Crouch didn't apparate Harry out of Hogsmeade or simply just steal a pint of blood at any point throughout the year.
The book would be boring if Harry did not play in the Triwizard tournament.
that’s the real reason
*P L O T*
It's name would be Harry Potter and watching the tri wizard tournament and doing boring school stuff
Well then the triwizard tournament wouldn’t have happened.
No, I’m sure it would be spellbinding to wait for convenient breezes to ruffle water and hedges 🧘♀️
I think the Goblet compels you to try your best. It's a very strong magic, you have no choice of backing out or slacking off. So either you win or you die trying to win. Fleur must be a powerful witch to be able to resist it and give up.
Like in the scene when both Cedric and Harry are running towards the cup they kind of push each other to get ahead which is very against their nature.
And Harry who himself said he doesn't want glory ends up contemplating between seeking the cup ie eternal glory vs saving his friend.
Amazing theory! Think that might be it, and Dumbledore might’ve decided to use the cup to test Harry’s resilience towards magical mind control once again
Watching this makes me realise that Voldemort's plan in _The Goblet of Fire_ is both a brilliant and horrible plan.
What if he turned into a muggle if he didn't play
Alaya Metwally you can't turn into muggle 😂
Sam Love Well, nothing comfirm it actually... Maybe It's a possebility?
Claire Aquos If anything he'd turn into a Squib
NeonFish710 A squib??? (Btw, english isn't my language)
NeonFish710 Oh Wait, is it what we name a person who has Wizard parents, but doesn't have any magical Power?
As for Snape letting Draco fail twice before interfering, I have a theory: the first two attempts weren't part of the plan, they were Draco's own ideas.
The plan was always the repairing of the Vanishing Cabinet, to sneak Bellatrix Lestrange & co. into Hogwarts, and witness Draco's murder (or failure at it) of Dumbledore.
Draco, however, feared he would fail at killing Dumbledore in cold blood in front of Voldemort's most loyal followers. So, he came up with ideas so that he wouldn't have to get there. The only way for that was to make Dumbledore dead before the Cabinet is fully repaired. So, he tried twice, and only had to get up at the tower because both tries failed. As the plan for the tower was still about to unfold, the first two attempts didn't force Snape to interfere, as as long as he still kills Dumbledore in the tower, the vow is fulfilled. He also didn't want to help Draco because he also needed to kill Dumbledore in front of the witnesses. Otherwise he, knowing about the plan, would have come up with something, but if Dumbledore dies before Bellatrix and the others can witness it, his plan to prove himself fails.
I’d always assumed that the punishment for breaking a magical contract was to lose your magic, considering how little most magicals know about muggles having to live like one would be quite a punishment.
it reminds me of wizards of waverly place
Given that Dumbledore was using the pensive with the memory of Crouch's trial, I think that he would have known that Moody was Crouch and he made Harry compete so that he'd find out about Voldemort's return and try to stop it. It is implied (if not stated) in the novels that Dumbledore cares more about killing Voldemort than harry's own well being.
This proves muggles can't understand magic cups and their contracts.
catgamer 321 And wizards can't learn grammar ?
Dolores Umbridge considering they don't go to school until they are 11, are you surprised?
You, my dear, have my respect.
This is basically the truest answer there can be
Davis Brethen that was an epic reply. 😎
4:25 Professor Binns did.
Ben: How are you going to wake up dead?
Me: By being Ben Hargreeves
The reason Voldemort brought Harry to him rather than just have him killed during the Tournament was because he desired to kill Harry directly. It would have proved that he could defeat the child who had nearly killed him before. Not only would that have bolstered morale among Voldemort's followers, but may have had a magical influence as well.
Also, Harry didn't have to compete: the teachers could have worked some magic to break the contract. That is what Prof McGonnagall advocated. But Prof Snape and Prof Dumbledore wanted to let Harry compete in order to use him as bait.
Hello fellow slytherin.
I just wanted to tell you, that you made a fine comment.
Didn't remember that Snape and Dumbledore wanted to use Harry as bait. Time for me to read the fourth book again, I guess.
First paragraph sounds like your typical male. xD
Voldemort is a drama queen
also, #SLYTHERINPRIDE
SlytherinLectures bait?
The book is a bit more subtle, but the movie uses that exact word:
Professor Snape: Headmaster I too find it difficult to believe this mere coincidence, however, if we are to truly discover the meaning of these events, perhaps we should, for the time being, let them unfold.
Professor McGonagall: Do nothing? Offer him up as bait? Potter is a boy! Not a piece of meat!
Dumbledore: I agree with Severus.
Remember that crouch senior was under the imperious curse from moody/ crouch Jr and he needed to make sure harry got into the tournament so he made his dad say magical binding contract
Ok you're comment just explained it all to me, everything makes perfect sense now. (no sarcasm here, being genuine) Barty Crouch Snr being made to say magical binding contract and convincing all other teachers and Ludo Bagman that this is law is actually brilliant, he could easily convince them, he is one of the more senior members of the Ministry. I never once thought when Barty Crouch snr. said this that he was not being untruthful, but now..... Genius. :)
I'd be really willing to believe that (
@@devanyehansen2162 Late to the discussion, but what if the rules actually were unclear and it took a judge, Barty Crouch Snr. to interprete the law. If breaking a magical binding contract is punished by law and not the goblet of fire itself, one could not easily circumvent that decision. If Harry didn't participate this might have meant expelling or Azkaban. And Dumbledore wouldn't have had any power to prevent that.
Is it only me who laughs at the way Ben says "Hey Brother"? 😂😂
ben: CUPS AND THEIR EVIL GAMES...
me: president Snow was a cup
But Harry didn’t put his name in. How could there even be a contract?
Please comment me 😀😊😇🐶🐩🐕
L H I know like can anybody who is of age just put anyone’s name in? That seems like a major design flaw lol
Actually, I think the reason the Goblet picked two people from Hogwarts is because Barty Crouch jr. put Harry’s name under a fake school. The goblet didn’t know Harry was another Hogwarts student. Barty also probably used some form of dark magic to trick the goblet into accepting Harry’s name, altering the contract so Harry didn’t need to be the one who put his name in.
Harry didn’t put it in himself, though. He didn’t enter the contract. If I buy a car and sign your name on the loan, you’re not responsible for the loan. You didn’t sign the contract.
Harry didn’t sign the contract because he didn’t enter himself. Barty Crouch Jr entered him- without his permission.
Identity theft. Yet, Harry is held to a contract he never entered into.
Barty did have access to Harry's handwriting. He could have ripped Harry's name off of his homework and put that in the goblet. That would at least take care of having the name written by Harry.
*that dang breeze*
Lol
right
house elves can do laundry just not hats or socks
I love how you talk about things that don't make sense.... In a movie about magic
Maybe the house elves have an amount of times they can break rules then they physically can’t break rules
Why? Because Voldemort is a drama queen
SakurakoO.O That legitimately why. He just wanted to kill Harry himself, because he hated people calling him "The boy who lived" and saying how he beat him.
TBH Voldemort's like a teenaged girl... He has a diary, a special cup, a fancy ring, a locket, a crown, a pet he adores, and an obsession with a famous teenaged boy...
I saw it on something....
Raven Harville
Teenager Post, right?
i clicked on this video expecting to get answers, but now i only have more questions
Why didn't Voldemort just Indiana jones harrry with a .45?
(I know, muggle stuff, but still funny to think in about).
"How you gonna wake up dead??"
Well, Professor Binns woke up dead one day and went to teach class as a ghost. So probably like that.
You guys should do a video on all of the different jobs you can have in the wizarding world.
Delaney Strandberg The job positions in the books are so limited! Most jobs I see in the books seem like only one person is needed to do them in all of the UK. How many wand makers do you need for the population of magical UK? Seems to be only one or maybe two if there's someone in Knockturn. Same goes for taxi service, the only job as a driver seems to be the Knight Bus, so maybe there's Stan and couple other other wizards/witches for his off hours, but that's it. In all of Hogwarts there are only, what, twelve or thirteen adults running the whole school plus part-time position of the school governors, that's it. Everything else is mostly shop clerks (eg any of the shops gone to for school supplies) and some skilled repair services (eg tailors). We mostly see people in food service, including the candy trolley hag on the train. Then there's curse breaking, the press/entertainment, magical animal management, and government bureaucracy, and the Aurors. There is the shape to society here, but...it doesn't look like there's a lot of space for people. There's not enough positions and varied types of jobs. I don't think everyone who goes to Hogwarts can expect to find a job anywhere. Who's hiring?
All jobs a society would have are represented in there. Any job that exists pre-industrial age definitely exists in the Harry Potter universe. Why? Because they are entirely disconnected from it. Sure they'll trade over Muggle parents money to wizard money, but they don't even understand how they dress, to a degree that it is extremely insulting, especially since it isn't even all that confusing. But whatever. Point stands, all pre-industrial age jobs are available for sure.
Delaney Strandberg Yaaaasssssssssssssss
What would happen if the goblet chose a name and there were two people with that name
Marnae Be lit I know but still
Good question
Last names exist you know
You'd have to tell them apart by handwriting
2 with the exact first and last name in our year at school
In the books, the quidditch stadium IS turned into the hedge maze!
5:36 my favorite quote 😂
When you don't even need notifications just because you're on TH-cam that much
Have you heard the theory that the reason Harry survived as a baby was bc Snape made an unbreakable vow with Voldy that he wouldnt kill Lily? And he did so thats what made his next spell backfire and kill him (or wouldve if he didnt have horcruxes)
Sorry i didnt credit whoever came up with this but idk who it was
#especiallythezefronposter
Que The Sparkle That's a cool idea.
Que The Sparkle why would "Voldy" make an unbreakable vow with Snape
So Snape, a powerful wizard, would be on his side. Tom would never consider much of it, only thinking it it was a foolish sentiment that was worth having one of the world's greatest potion masters on his side.
Voldemort never trusted anyone completely. He only trusted Snape in HBP when he killed Dumbledore. Voldemort worked alone. He had the death eaters but they were always second to him. He would never make a vow that would threaten his life with someone else, especially since snape wasn't that valuable to him at the time.
Que The Sparkle imho it is the dumbest theory ever and goes against all the lore from the books. I will admit to being a book purist and I really loved the books while feeling rather bland about the movies and again imho this is why reading the books is much more informative than just watching the movies. the reason why SCB make sound theories and are able to analyze them so well is that they have read and reread the books.
Could you’ve just done Wingardium Leviosa on the piece of paper and make it enter the goblet of fire in case your under age
The fact that Harry was not the person who put his name in the goblet should have immediately made any contract null and void. Harry didn't put his name in so he didn't enter into a contract. But hey poor writing beats common sense
Harry and others didn’t know that. Maybe contract was null, but they didn’t think to “disobey” it.
Hey Voldemort can you plan my funeral.
Hey voldemort, could you plan my wedding, my so very cheerful wedding?
He can't plan the funeral but he can cause it.
My only question is
Why was every one so eager to sign up for certain death 😲😲
glory
bc it clearly wasnt certain, as only one out of four of them died, at that wasnt even bc of the tasks...
For the prestige and the 1000 wizard Galleons of course! The prestige of winning (i.e. surviving) the first Tri-Wizard championship in ages? Hells yeah! Think of the groupies...think of the Galleons!
Yeah! Think of the big TV movie deals, too!
exactly. Also think of quidditch. Everyon totally loves to play it but if u think about it its incredibly dangerous... and u dont get a lot of reward of it.
I guess the wizarding world is just a lot more into risking ones life than our muggle-world. Cultural disparity i would suggest XD
Professor Binns may be able to explain waking up dead. 🤷🏼♀️
I just wanna say IM so happy you brought up the house elves and laundry issue. Its a debate me and my friends have had countless times.
6:00, with the help he got and kid skill as a wizard, they seemed assured in his survival, until Voldemort got his chance to kill him. Sure it was risky but the tournament was also a way to disguise their plans for harry. They couldn’t have just tried abducting Harry or else his allies found find out quickly, and the peril that Harry was already going through in the tasks served as a distraction to hide the true motives of Harry even being put in the tournament. Everyone including Harry was focused more on him surviving the tasks than what was going on in the shadows.
Also thinking back on the final task, with how Cedric attempted to attack a bewitched Krum and then struggled with harry as they were racing to the cup and how harry almost didnt help Cedric makes it seem plausible that the contract, or at the very least, the maze, is able to influence the actions and behavior of its participants, like a playable chapter in a video game, controlled by a script of the games progression system.
Why did Harry have to compete in the tournament?
Plot.
" so in summary, light breezes make hedges and water more interesting" lmao. one of your funniest videos
" and why would you want to touch him anyway you have a wand" i cant stop laughing at that
I always click on the HP theories so fast. Btw nice hat!
Maybe it's like "swearing on the River Styx" in the Percy Jackson universe, where you are put in a year-long coma filled with nightmares that are "worse than death". So scary they can permenantly damage your mind.
That light breeze remark had me laughing out loud. Thanks for that!
Usually contracts have to be signed by the person entering them, he shouldn't have been required to compete if he didn't write his name on the parchment that was submitted. Moody could have taken it from some homework, I don't think they specify whose writing it is, but if Moody just wrote his name and put it in, then Harry shouldn't have been entered.
Super Carlin Bros + MatPat = Awesome vid. + Seamus Gorman = Super Awesome Vid.
I always assumed (from book snippets, interviews and possibly a little too much fanfiction) that:
1 - The Goblet was tricked - not easily, with a very complex spell - to accept a new school and that Harry was its sole student - I think it was a strong Confundus charm but I can't remember exactly. To be honest, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that schools could be added or removed from the competition (even if that implies a name change for the actual tournament) but that might require the cooperation of all Headmasters.
2 - Fake Moody/Crouch Jr used his position as a teacher to steal Harry's name from his DADA homework - so technically, Harry did sign his name on a piece of parchment out of his own free will and that paper was then entered into the Goblet of Fire - so, I assume, the Goblet does not recognize intent or maybe it was just tricked again.
3 - When they say magically binding contract, I always assumed the consequences for breaking it would be dire - death or losing one's magic (the latter would be a wizard's worst nightmare, I think, especially those of the old pureblood lines). I suppose Magic can be a little unforgiving in this world...
4 - I have never considered what would happen if Harry hadn't actually tried to win, participating as little as possible (that is interesting!). I do think that Dumbledore was a proud man, confident in his own power and I think, for all that he liked Harry, that he was willing to use him as bait to find the dark wizard that had infiltrated his school. In his defense, he might've considered that Harry was safest at Hogwarts, surrounded by his teachers. I also think Dumbledore could've found a way around the contract if he really, really wanted but then the threat to Harry would still be present, hiding in the shadows (the tournament rules are more like guidelines few follow so I'm pretty sure Dumbledore could've helped Harry and made sure he was safe during each task - was he testing him? Preparing him for his prophesied showdown with Voldy? Who knows). We know why Harry participated in the first two tasks: he HAD to get the golden egg to get away from the dragon as quickly as possible and he will always try to save his friend. The third task... well, that one might've been his choice or a compulsion to keep moving forward placed within the maze. Or maybe Harry was just tired of being the spare champion and he really wanted to win. Perhaps, in good Harry fashion, it never even crossed his mind not to try.
Okay... that turned out way longer than I expected.
So... Pearls (from Steven Universe) are basically elves?
*GASP*
I agree. I think it's a variation of the same spell used to create the Unbreakable Vow, except it's applied to an inanimate object instead of a pair of wizards.
Ya maybe he would be killed but I think it's something worst.
Being expelled.
Luna_does_Makeup_ 22 Get your priorities straight Hermione!!!
In a way I want to rewatch all of the Harry Potter series again, but in a way I don't, anyone else have this problem?
The Lord I do
The philosopher Gamer I think it's just because I've watched them and rewatched them so many times, and it's the same with series I watch, but I guess that's because you know exactly what's going to happen?
No. No matter how many times I watch the films, it will never be enough or too much.
Its called time my friend.
The Lord You know nothing Jon Snow
0:29 Lol he says this as a hat tells u where u live for 7 yrs. A book and quill judges if ur magical enough and a sword is like okay ur cool u can use me
6:44 “Never hire Voldemort to plan your wedding... Or anything for that matter. “
I see a cup. I put food in it. I eat it.
I love Harry Potter
is the best saga
Star Wars > Harry Potter
Epic Music Movie We all do
Epic Music Movie Don't we all
léo jean a saga is four, Harry Potter is a series
"The placeing of your name in the goblet constitutes a binding, magical contract"
However, harry never did place his name into it. So that means he's not under contract, whats-his-name who did put harry's name in should be under contract.
I think voldemort needed his blood cause the protective spell from lilys sacrifice made him untouchable by voldemorts magic as well. When he talks about it in the forth movie he gives the example "you see when lily potter gave her life to protect him she gave him the ultimate protection. I couldn't touch him". He makes it sound as his magic would never have worked on harry if he didn't have his blood to share the protection and therefor "touch" him
Me: Hello? Voldemort? Can you by any chance plan my wedding? Voldemort: YOU DARE SPEAK MY NAME?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Me: Ok, you want it that way... Mr Riddle, can you... Voldemort: Ok... (with resignation) you can call me Voldemort...
"Maybe death is better than definite death... is a fact" -Ben Cerlin 2017
1:40 Thank you Ben, I'm not the only one!
cups and their evil games is the best sentence i've heard all week
A fictional universe this intense and this big is bound to have some logical inconsistencies and errors... And certain things will always be for speculated and debated by the audience and never be explicitly stated
You, sir deserve a medal. This is exactly why I am able to enjoy Star Wars, MLP, Dragonball, Kingdom Hearts, and even Fairy Tail, despite their many writing flaws.
But here's the thing, this NEEDS an explanation. The only reason why this plan even works is the fact that Harry is forced to compete yet we don't have any indication of why other than magical contract. It could have easily been fixed by just having everyone tell Harry he can choose not to compete if he doesn't want to, he says he wants to, and despite Dumbledore's protest, by the rules of the Triwizard Tournament, there's nothing he can do to stop him. Simple and gives interesting development for Harry moving forward since he would technically be to blame for Voldemort's rebirth.
no its not bound.
This is d reason i enjoy alot of books n movies series...the so enjoyable discussion n arguements!😁👍
Palash Kale wow i never thought that someone that writes in these comments could be so smart!👍🏼
When I was this early last Jay wasn't a dad! 😁
Zigginz well technically he's not a dad yet, Beth is only a month pregnant
Star Wars Nerd Yeah I know but he is still in the running for a dad! I am so excited for Jay
Zigginz I am too, when I saw the Instagram post of him with a chalkboard that was pointing to Beth's stomach that said ADVENTURE IS IN THERE!! I flipped out. I was so excited
Star Wars Nerd I know right 😀😀😀😀😀
"How you gonna wake up dead?"
Duh, wake up as a ghost
There's one other thing that bothers me, I can't remember if it was explained in the books: all of the youngsters in the school dreamed about taking part in the competition, but they couldn't because of the spell that allowed only the 17 yo or older to put their names in the goblet. Then Harry's name is put there by Moody - so my question is: why all those teenagers, who dreamed of taking part in the tournament couldn't just ask older friends to put their names in the goblet?
Yep, it is even mentioned by Dumbledore, who asks Harry the exact same thing. Probably the other students just didn't realise it could be that simple, because the age restriction was used for the first time (there was no restriction in the previous competitions)