Most Wizards use magical locks that cannot be undone with alohomora but since filch is a squib he needs regular locks in Hogwarts to be able to operate.
Why would it matter if they were resistant to alohomora? Filch cant cast alohomora, and on top of that he cant pick locks either. To Filch all locks are the same. And he has the keys so whether they were resistant to alohomora or not is a moot point.
maybe it's because every lock that was ever opened, was opened usually by the main characters (surprise surprise); and that furthermore, they were led to do so by the machinations of dumbledore, in a series of, if you will, many miniature "wizard challenges" to guide harry, ron, and hermione to get ready for the time to come.
I think it's simple. The first rule of the Sorting Hat is: No one talks about the Sorting Hat. The second rule of the Sorting Hat is: No one talks about the Sorting Hat.
Well, someone's a rule breaker...well a few people actually and they not only broke one rule but two at once, for those of you unaware that's advanced level rule breaking and also a foul for mixing separate fandoms.
Regarding Sirius's plan: perhaps he wanted to bait Voldemort into thinking that he was the Secret Keeper because if he killed him the Fidelius charm would have still worked? We know that if the Secret Keeper dies, everyone he told about the secret becomes a Secret Keeper, and that would have been quite an issue for the Potters; while if Voldemort had killed Sirius, the Fidelius charm would have been still intact and that would have at least bought the Potters some time.
Wow, yeah that solves it. Until now I just thought it didn't make sense, but that explains it perfectly; if Voldemort kills the secret keeper then he only needs to turn one person who knows the location (Perhaps Snape? At the very least, Pettigrew).
I’ve always wondered, when Arthur said “don’t trust something if you can’t see where it keeps it’s brain” would the hat be included in that. Is the sorting hat full of dark magic? Could be why it’s protected too?
Obviously, it's a Matter of Skill. Obviously (yes, i use that word twice; deal with it) you COULD conceal the Knowledge about Doorknobs IF you have way more Skill than Dumbledore and Voldemort TOGETHER. Get it?
(In the movie, not sure about the book) Doesn’t the hat tell Harry how he’s sorted? If the hat is it’s own secret keeper and he told Harry the secret, this allows Harry to tell his son. Right?
Something that has bothered me about the fidelious charm, specifically the one used to hide the Potters is why they chose to make one of their friends the secret keeper in the first place. Would it not have made more sense to make James and/or Lily their own secret keepers and thus securing their safety; after all, Voldermort could hardly get the secret if the secret keepers were the ones protected by the charm.
I think the whole point of the Fidelius Charm is to have to trust someone else with your secret, because if you make yourself the Secret-Keeper, it would kind of negate the effect of the charm. The whole point is to HAVE to trust someone else, since that's where the chain's power lies, not in yourself but in the trust you have for other people. Does that make sense?? I kind of knew how to word my reply when I saw your comment, but it flew out of my head when I started typing lol. If I think of what else I wanted to say, I'll come back later, but interesting theory!!
The problem with that explanation is that in Deathly Hallows Bill is the secret keeper for Shell Cottage where he and Fluer are living and Arthur is the secret keeper for Aunty Muriel's home where he and the rest of the Weasleys are living so there's no rule within the spell saying that the secret keeper has to be someone who doesn't reside at the hidden location.
@@composerbeef I think you might be overlooking the metaphorical implications of the fidelius charm. Remember, Rowling (being the good classics student she is) named the fidelious charm after the latin word fidelus, which means something like faithful or true-hearted. By making Wormtail the secret keeper, Rowling was creating the possibility that he would never betray the Potters, even if he was weak. Of course, if Wormtail had never betrayed the Potters, the series could never had played out as it did, but the choice was still Wormtail's choice. This is true of Bill and Arthur as well: even though they are keeping their own secret, they are also protecting other people; they are being faithful when they could just protect their own skin. Personally, I think it was a brilliant move on Rowling's part to make Wormtail the secret keeper. It gave him a moral dilemma (which showed us his inclinations and motivations) and it gave him free-will: he didn't have to betray the Potters. He could still have been faithful to them. Wormtail is a pathetic little man, but he could just as easily have been a hero.
I've been thinking ever since seeing the third movie, why didn't James or Lily just make the other their secret keeper. If trusting someone else is the problem, they would still be trusting the other person. Honestly, this is why neither of them were in Ravenclaw.
The didnt make Peter their secretkeeper. They gave the Sekret to Sirius because they trusted him more then themselfes. Sirius decided to pass it on to the weakest member of the order of the phoenix, without their knowledge, because he thought Peter would be the least likely target?? Please correct me if im wrong
Considering books are written by people it’s possible that the book didn’t cover the hat because the hat was of no interest of the writer. They wanted to cover topics that fascinated them. Or maybe the hat never came to Hogwarts until after the book was written
No way would everyone just keep a tradition secret for that long. One drunken family meal or post-Quidditch celebration party would be all it takes to spill the beans.
@@jfg1787 No, you just have to want to keep something secret. People that knew where Harry's parents lived suddenly just forgot and only people they told would've known
"It's very likely that all people who already knew the information before the spell is cast automatically become secondary keepers upon casting, even if they are unaware of the fact. That renders them uncapable of sharing the information, but they still remember it themselves. Otherwise the Fidelius Charm could be used as a powerful brainwashing spell that affects all living humans, up to making well-known facts forgotten and impossible to rediscover." That's from the Harry Potter wiki anyway. We can agree to disagree
The wiki page on the Fidelius Charm says that it's highly likely that anyone that was aware of the information before the Charm was cast would continue to be so, but would merely be incapable of passing it on to anyone else unless the original Secret Keeper dies, because otherwise the Charm could be used as a powerful brainwashing tool to make well known facts forgotten
About the Secret keeper stuff... You answered your own question without realizing it. Riddle was sure to come after Sirius yea? At least that's what Sirius believed. Say that happened, and he's really the secret keeper. Riddle would kill him, and then everyone who knew about the house would immediately become secret keepers themselves. See the problem yet? But if Peter is the secret keeper, and he doesn't betray the Potters... Riddle still goes after Sirius, kills him, but the original secret keeper is still alive. And Riddle would have no way of knowing that. It was a pretty smart plan. Too bad Peter was a Rat, in every sense of the word. It would have made way more sense to use some Squib. Riddle would NEVER in a million years suspect a Squib as a secret keeper.
I didn't mean Peter was a Squib, I meant they'd have been better off choosing a squib as Secret Keeper. Since that's the Last thing Riddle would expect.
I still don't understand why James or Lily couldn't be their own secret keepers? That way Voldemort couldn't find them as long as they stayed hidden & didn't go out & get caught by a death eater. As long as ey stayed home, they'd be safe. No chance to be betrayed, but I guess then there wouldn't have been a story. Lol
Maybe because they wanted at least one of their friends to know where they were just in case something bad happened to them, and for someone to take care of Harry? Think about it. If they would have died and nobody would have known where they were, then even their own friends wouldn't know if they were dead or not, let alone a way to check on them. Somebody needed to take care of Harry just in case something happened, so Harry woulndn't be stranded with his dead parents.
if all Malfoys had the same love of hair gel or hair product as Draco, I think it's just a case of the Hat listens out for the name 'Malfoy' and just shouts out Slytherin to avoid being put on an overly gelled head XD
They are the professors at Hogwarts for muggle studies and they're teaching us Muggles how to understand witches and wizards so that when the Wizarding Community finally drops the veil we're already intertwined properly so there's no f****** War it's brilliant oh my God
Gahngis pretty sure it’s something to do with the eyes being seen as the window to the soul and you don’t mess with the soul because it can go horribly wrong. Feel like I read it somewhere (maybe pottermore) but I could be wrong
Fixing glasses is the the same as fixing any other object. Fixing your eyes would be much more complicated and require neurological healing. But still though, you'd think with hundreds of generations of witches and wizards someone would of figured out how to fix eyesight.
I guess JK Rowling didn’t think through about the possibility that people would discuss minutiae like that in the future with such zeal and enthusiasm 😀😀😀
Yup. It's said that an author can save a lot of time by omitting such details, as fans will spin their own theories and explanations, and it'll likely be a better idea than anything the author was able to conjure up.
It is implied that it works for non-sentient objects retaining the information (like taxes). The actual line in the paper (or Excel table) is still written in the same place of the paper (or magnetic_reactive_surface of the harddrive), but any person who tries to read it will only see gibberish [perhaps not everyone reads the exact same thing, so you could at least "detect" the presence of protected information this way, even if you can not "decode it"]. -> At most, you may be able to pinpoint the "general area" by retracing known behaviors/protocols of whoever was supposed to write that originally [like if the entire page has the same handwritting or if the file was updated at a certain timestamp]; but never enough to set "a camp" in front of the two places NEXT to the thing that is hidden (that look like if they are touching each others).
Well that would be issue with Grimmauld place, since at least Bellatrix and Narcissa would definetely know its location prior it was made to head quarters of Order of the Phoenix.
@@asada135 well it doesnt matter if they know about grimmauld place, they doesnt know and wont be able to know that grimmauld place is the head quarter of Order of the Phoenix.
Hermione is shown to be an inquisitive and studious person, and she admitted to studying a large number of spells in preparation for the Sorting "test". The fact that she knows Alohamora doesn't mean it's a spell that *every* first-year is going to know. There's also the possibility that most students will just assume that the locks around Hogwarts are enchanted in some way to prevent the spell from working.
Groundlord didn’t she say it’s from The Standard Book of Spells? Chapter 7 to be precise. That’s a book that’s on their list of school supplies so every first year should know it.
Sometimes I feel like my professors have hidden information that will be on the test with the Fidelius Charm. I read the textbook chapters over and over, and the information is not there...I take the test, don't know how to answer that question, then go back to the book after the exam, and BAM, there is is, right on the page, plain as day... :P
I always figured the specifics of the sorting ceremony was a "secret" by tradition. Just something all the parents didn't tell their children so they would still be surprised by it. This wouldn't be particularly surprising considering how serious wizards can be about their traditions.
furthermore, its something our society already does (cofocofsantaclauscofcof), so its not like the wizards are super eccentric keeping such a tradition.
That makes sense except for Draco. There's no reason to believe Lucius wouldn't tell Draco if he thought it might give Draco an advantage during the ceremony (or, frankly, just have some insider knowledge he can lord over the other kids so they think he's special just because he's a Malfoy, which is definitely something Lucius would do). So for Draco to not know what the ceremony is, the answer is even simpler: Rowling wanted the reader to share a sense of wonderment with the characters and didn't think that decision all the way through, which is a reasonable conclusion as there's no way she could have known how popular her books would get, especially while writing the first book.
You know, sinse seeing this video I've been thinking about Sirius' "bluff", it always seemed to me to be weird but never could put my finger on why, and when seeing the video I was still feeling like there was a piece of info missing, and after much thought I think I have it: Sirius' plan was to die. Think about it. As you say, the information on where the Potters were hiding couldn't be tortured out of him, but once you die everyone you told suddenly can also tell the secret. Well, as members of the Order of the Pheonix, Aurors and just by virtue of their popularity he would have had to tell at least a few people, among them one who Sirius susected to be a traitor, so what to do about it? Simple (assuming you're one of the smartest characters in the canon) First, let some people you suspect about know where you're gonna be escaping to. Second, make someone else who noone would ever believe would be chosen for such a task be the keeper. Third, put up a hell of a fight and keep those sent after you persuing for as long as you possible can. (at this point it would make it clear who the traitor is, or at least significantly reduce the possibilities). Fourth, once you inevitably die, the real keeper will be long gone and nobody would know where to, keeping the secret much safer than having to rely on your ability to keep yourself alive against the worst people ever. Added bonus: If Voldemort decides to persue you himself you can give the order some much needed breathing room to keep strenghten themselves, but even if not, you're acting as a resource sink for the Death Eaters. Let me know what you think, I really want to know your thoughts on this.
So, I've been thinking about this and I think you are seriously (haha) undermining Serious's intentions here. He says he was prepared to die because I think he EXPECTED to. You keep saying it yourself, if the secret keeper dies then all who know become secret keepers which means that it's not very secret and the "worst kept" secret keeper being secret was that Serious Black was the secret keeper for the Potters. I mean, everyone "knew" that so even if the answer couldn't be tortured out of him Voldemort could just kill Serious and then get it out of just about every single member of the Order and so many more. I think Serious knew this and planned on it so he suggested making the secret keeper someone he saw as one of his closest confidants and trust-worthy friends for life (he doubted Remus at the time) and figured that no one would really suspect that Peter of all people would hold such an important role. Just saying. Give the guy his credit! He really was going to die for his friends and protect their secret even in death by never having been the one to hold it.
They SHOULD have just made a secret chain. Serious keeps the house secret. And the rat keeps the secret that serious has the secret. Or james/lilly could keep that secret even better.
Have you ever read the books? Because nobody who read the books (even if it was several years ago) would write "Serious" that way. The person you're referring to isn't called Serious Black but SIRIUS BLACK! That had to get out. And come on... Serious???
Exactly! I have a twist on that thought. We know that a part of all four founders was included into the hat. Now I'm not implying it's some kind of horcrux, since horcruxes rely on splitting the soul. But it may be a pseudo-horcrux, a splitting of the mind. Which could mean the sorting hat is literally a surviving part of the founders. Since a item like this would be super valuable, the founders would collectively put a spell on it to protect it. This spell could be the progenitor of the fedelius charm. It's quite possible that later wizards studied the hat and figured out a spell similar to the one that the hat uses. A spell that might work slightly different from the Fedelius charm. I believe the hat's charm doesn't stop you from telling the secret, but might stop the person from remembering it. So Hermione might read it, but after a few seconds forget it. So when Harry tell it to his son. His son may have forgotten the hat the moment the conversation was over, but will inly remember his father trying to comfort him.
LMAO tbh the Potters r so foolish XD They couldve hidden Sirius away using a Fedilius Charm too probably in the Potters house with them and the Potters couldve been SIRIUS' Secret Keeper whilst Sirius was THEIRS -_- Voldemort wouldve literally NEVER found them smh.
Going by the theory, maybe a phoenix. They are litteraly imortal. My inital thought was fawks, but maybe one of the founders had one and casted it upon the bird?
They'd die pretty soon though. So unless you werent planning to keep it for long it wouldnt be very effective. Youd need some immortal legendary being to keep it, and also be able to lock this unaging being for eternity to make sure it didnt get itself killed by factors other than age.
Okay here is what I think happened with Sirius changing the secret keeper... So the only people knowing of The Potters' location what's a select few including Remus. Sirius what's in a very paranoid State and wasn't thinking right. He believed since his family or Death Eaters and they knew James was his best friend they would Target him. If he died then everyone would become the Secret Keeper. This included Remus who he believed was the traitor. So if the Secret Keeper became Peter then people could suspect him and even kill him and The Potter's would be safe. Man were they wrong.
Your explanation makes sense, that it's just a plot hole. In Pottermore you can read how the girl that created ilvermorny knew what the hat was, without going to hogwarts ever.
@@0Maanu0 well theoreticalmy she doesn't actuallh know about the hat, just about the sorting I think. That's why Ilvermorny has a different sorting system I think
No guys, the true question and plothole is why it isnt written in history of hogwarts....if not that then i would agree that parents didmt tell them for the sake of pureness and unbiased choice of house
QUESTION!!??If a muggle sees Hogwarts as a ruin, what happens when they approach it? Walk around it? Go inside the ruins? Do the witches & wizards see the muggle wandering around Hogwarts or not? x
There are other charms working as well, such as one that makes the school unplottable on maps, and another makes electrical items stop functioning. Another of these charms makes muggles who approach the school think that they have some very very important task and they leave. It's in book 4.
Abby W wait if that was true the ruins would show up on a map. Another wizard could look at the map on Google knowing Hogwarts appears to be a ruin and then go there themselves.
So… I’m guessing Sirius’ plan is more in the line that if they killed him, the secret keeper’s location would be safe, and there wouldn’t become 5+ secret keepers ensuring that the Fidelius Charm retained its potency
As to why Sirius thought it would be a good bluff to use Pettigrew instead of himself: If Sirius was gone after because Voldemort thought he was the secret keeper and then killed, the people he had let in on the secret would then become secret keepers. This would give Voldemort more people to go after until he found one that would willingly give him the information. But with Sirius not being the secret keeper, it would prevent that from happening. Not that it was a great plan. Obviously it failed anyway. And Pettigrew would have become a secret keeper even if Sirius had been and then killed. But that was what I thought the reasoning would be. I could be wrong. But it made the most sense after knowing how the charm works.
Ashley Caulfield that's a great theory because Sirius might have mistakenly thought that it would be protecting his loved ones to not be the keeper because Voldemort would go after his loved ones e.g the people he told if he died and they became keepers.
Robin Bernardinis true, but harry was only a baby so no one would be able to get into the house because he probably couldn’t talk very well or maybe he could?
Actually it was never confirmed that unlock spell is taught in year 1, Hermione is the only one to use it and we know she taught herself spells before she went to Hogwarts
@@jaysondavis9693 She says in the first film that it's in 'Standard Book of Spells: Chapter 7'. Yes, I know that line is from the film rather than the book, but I think official policy is that the films are considered canon where they don't contradict the books, and there's nothing in the books to say that the spell ISN'T in that textbook, so it can therefore be taken as canon that it is
Regarding the rant about Sirius deciding to make Wormtail secret keeper for James and Lilly's location. If a person dies while secret keeper, as you pointed out yourself, then any who they have shared the secret with become the secret keepers. Sirius felt that, as the obvious choice, he might be targeted and killed. This would instantly enable a large number of additional secret keepers and give more opportunity for the secret to possibly be shared. He felt that Wormtail was much less likely to be suspected, and therefor safer... of course not knowing he was a sniveling coward that would betray them in a heartbeat ;)
Honestly I think it's just to have some extra "wow" factor when reading the story. You learn stuff as the characters experience it. It would've killed the impact of the hat if Hermione just laid it out for them before walking in there. No, it doesn't make any sense at all that Ron and Hermione wouldn't have known, but sometimes authors gotta auth. Wouldn't have been any fun if Ron came already knowing a hundred spells, having heard them used in his presence literally his entire life. I mean if you think about it, it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense having muggle-born kids who know literally nothing of magic being placed on the same level as pure blood children in the first place because those kids who grew up around it would already know SO MUCH information as well as many spells, even if they weren't able to cast them yet.
I mean sure, but I feel like this logic could be applied to a LOT of plotholes even outside of Harry Potter; and because of that, it just feels like a cop-out explanation.
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I think one of the founders was secret keeper then the secret was passed on to the headmasters and headmistresses and when dumbldore died evreyone who knew about it became secret keeper
I have a theory that the Fidelius charm works like an artificial invocation of a mental lapse. If one reads a sentence in Hogwarts a History that mentions the Sorting Hat, they would understand it like any regular person would. But when their eyes shift away from the sentence, they no longer retain the information or recall even coming across the sentence. Furthermore, I don't recall any text stating that people who have previously possessed the knowledge would forget the information once a keeper is selected. Perhaps Pettigrew was the one who casted the spell so no one beforehand knew the location. This should help tone down the idea that the spell has the ability invasively make 8 billion people forget how to breathe.
More plausible: The year that Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Malfoy started at Hogwarts was the 1st year that the knowledge was kept secret from all 1st Years. Sort of hazing. After the fall of Voldemort, Headmistress MacGonagle decided that it was no longer to be, and the Sorting Hat was made known within the Magical Community.
You’re getting confused over this curse, the secret keeper can still be tortured into telling the secret, but everyone else who is not the secret keeper cannot tell anyone, even if they are tortured
9:07 or Nicholas flamel because he dies at the end of the first book and it seems like everyone after that is aware that it is a hat that sorts them. Put your suggestions in the reply section
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When someone uses the fidelius charm on how to walk: “Bro I can’t move” “How do I get a snack if I can’t go to the kitchen” “How do you move your legs”
A person to whom the location has been revealed to can't have the secret tortured out of them. The secret keeper can because they can reveal the location to anyone person they want to.
Yes, this. The original secret keeper can tell them if he want but everyone else can tell the information and the torturer can't understand it, no matter how much they torture them. The Original Secret keeper, however has the power to share the information.
So I guess that means you could torture the Secret Keeper, which begs the question, why didn't 1 of the Potters just be the Secret Keeper of their house's location? Since they were hiding, they weren't going out of the house much anyway, so Voldemort couldn't have tortured whichever of them was the SK & the other couldn't have it tortured out of them.
"The Fidelius charm is too complex and advanced, a form of very deep magic, so it can’t be fooled with cheap tricks. The whole essence behind it is to put faith in a living soul, into a person other than yourself. It’s based on trust, loyalty, and fidelity, hence its name. It’s not about moving your wand and saying an incantation. If you want to hide, someone else must be the secret keeper, a person who wants to keep the secret in their mind, soul, and heart. Therefore, neither Lily nor James could play this part, as it was their lives that were in danger and their house that had to be protected." www.quora.com/Why-didnt-the-Potters-become-their-own-secret-keepers
r_and_om_me is this official? because it doesnt make sense at all. You can be the secret keeper of your own home, we can see this in part 7 when Lupin says that Bill is the secretkeeper of Shell Cottagel, where he(Bill) and Fleur live.
Sirius's plan was actually a good idea. If Voldemort went after Sirius, who he would have expected to be secret keeper anyways, as he was James best friend, Sirius would have died and the role of secret keeper would have been passed to all who knew about the secret, meaning the whole order. This would have made it so much harder for Voldemort to track down someone who would intentionally reveal the secret, as with the Fedelius charm, you need to have the person willingly give the secret to you without any magical means of persuasion, like the imperious curse or a confundus charm. There of course was the snag, aka, Peter Pettigrew, who was an insider in their group and part of the order. He would have snuck off to tell Voldemort the information (he could) anyways meaning Lily and James would have most likely died in the end. However, in the process of writing the comment, I realised something. Sirius, is no idiot, in fact, he's very smart. He would be no stranger to staying up late at night as he needed to do so every month at Hogwarts. This could have affected his sleeping habits, making it harder for him to get to sleep at night. Then, he would have heard Pettigrew sneak out around past midnight, the expected time for him to sneak out, and go to Voldemort. Since the order knew there was a spy in the Marauders group, he would have put two and two together, figuring out how Peter must have been the mole. However, putting the error aside, it would have been a brilliant idea, as who would suspect Pettigrew as the spy, as he was the weakling of the group, plus, if Voldemort did go after Sirius, then it would be one life lost instead of three (counting Harry as Sirius didn't know about Lily's protection) maybe even 4, as Lily was rumoured to be pregnant before she died.
But then why not just make Dumbledore the Secret Keeper? Voldemort actively avoids confrontation with Dumbledore because he fears him. Really, this just always bothered me - Dumbledore seems to be the perfect Secret Keeper; he becomes the Secret Keeper for the Order, so why not Godric's Hollow?
- - That's a fair point. However, we know how persistent Tom is. Lily and James's death would have been delayed but Dumbledore's death would have been earlier. It would have changed the plotline immensely but Harry would have still received the scar as Tom would have killed Dumbledore, making everyone who knew the Secret Keepers. Then, Peter would have told Tom the location and the story would resume.
But the Secret Keeper's identity was, itself, a secret. Nobody knew Peter was the Secret Keeper except James, Lily, Sirius and Peter. If they had gone with Sirius the only people who would have known would have been James, Lily and Sirius (Sirius even went into hiding in canon to play up expectations of him being the real Secret Keeper since he was the obvious choice). Sirius and Dumbledore are the obvious choices, and the only reason Voldemort ever knew neither were the Secret Keeper was because the Secret Keeper himself told him. Voldemort would have wanted to prepare for telling Dumbledore, since Dumbledore was the only wizard he ever feared and he would have wanted to take no chances. In the meantime anything could have happened. Regulus could have fled with Kreacher to the Order instead of staying in the Cave to die, leaking the secret of the Horcruxes and sparking the hunt for them much earlier. The tide of war could have turned, beating down the Death Eaters to a negligible force. Hell, the Statute of Secrecy may well have been broken and the wizarding world revealed, which is a whole other story. At the end of the day, Dumbledore still would have made the most sensible choice for Secret Keeper.
- - I agree that Dumbledore would have been the best choice for Secret Keeper, but for the sake of the original story, I'd like to make a few points. Regulas would not know the location of the Order, as they purposefully kept themselves hidden, so they wouldn't be attacked by death eaters. He would have to be looking around constantly, and there would have been a very small chance that he would find them. The plan to kill Dumbledore was a fairly simple one. Finding a time when Dumbledore was distracted, using this opportunity to go through the loophole that had been previously found (eg: the vanishing cabinet), and launching a mass attack. At this time, Voldemort was at his prime. He had several hundred followers who, by strength in numbers, could have easily taken out the Order. They would have cast the Dark Mark then as well. Dumbledore, upon seeing the Dark Mark over the Orders safe house, would obviously investigate to see if everyone was okay. There, he could be disarmed or stunned, and Voldemort could finish him off. Then, Peter could reveal the secret to him and the story would carry on. You may be saying, if Regulas couldn't find the Order's location, then how could Voldemort? Well, Regulas is one man and Voldemort has an exceptional mind, plus several followers to offer some brainpower. We even know in the Deathly Hallows, that the death eaters know/strongly suspect the location of Harry, Ron and Hermione. As for the loophole, there would be some magical object that the Fedelius Charm doesn't guard against, as the Fedelius charm is a rather old spell that may not guard against modern magical means. (Just adding right now, it's a lot of fun to debate on the more complex aspects of Harry Potter with a hardcore fan like me XD)
Every time people mention muggles seeing hogwarts they say all they will see is ruins, what if a muggle is fascinated by ruins and wants to examine them, will they pass through the barrier or will they be able to interact with said ruins??
Keika actually, there are a number of places on Google Maps and Google Earth that are blanked out or pixelated out for different reasons, like security.
4:32 What Sirius means by a “bluff” is that Peter was the Secret Keeper. They would think no-one use a “weak, untalented” person. Kinda easy to understand tho-
4:03 If the information can’t be tortured out of you, it means that Peter Pettigrew was so terrified of Voldemort that he gave up the information before Voldemort tried to do anything. If he had just been brave there’s nothing Voldemort could have done.
I am so grateful this isn’t a “The Hat is secretly a Horcrux” I’ve been seeing a lot of crackpot theorists coming up with crazy Horcrux theories lately And this channel has a record cof Fawkes cof
About Sirius and his decision not to be secret keeper. Regulus had died before James and Lily died. After his death Sirius appreciated his brother more. Maybe even felt guilty that he wasn't there for his brother like he had before they had started Hogwarts. So maybe Sirius was afraid that he'd let down his other brother, soul-brother James.
Wouldnt you think that it's the headmaster who is th secret keeper if so when Dumbledore is killed, instead of dying naturally and appointing a new secret keeper, isnt the charmed broken which would make it so that harry would be able to talk about it cuz the charm broke with Dumbledore's death
Possibility: it's not headmaster as a person, but instead headmaster (or headmaster and staff) as position - meaning that person with the title of headmaster is the secret keeper. By that, secret is transfer only when "position" dies (so, gets removed/canceled) or possibly gets empty - in case of which I assume Dumbledore had his successor already set as Snape, so effectively (school's magic - including headmaster portraits being obedient) immediately passed on.
Sirius's plan is actually pretty good. Had Peter not told Voldemort the location, Voldemort would have probably gone after Sirius. If Sirius was killed and he was the Secret Keeper, everyone who knew the secret would have become Secret Keeper, thus diluting the Fidelius Charm's power.
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't have been best for either James or Lily to be the keeper. They could still have told someone if they needed to know, but that person couldn't have told anyone else. On top of that if James or Lily died it would probably mean the charm wasn't needed anymore. Also, can you double up on the charm? For example make Lily the Secret keeper, but then make James the secret keeper for the knowledge that they even used the charm. That way they couldn't even tell anyone that the charm was used. Or make the secret the knowledge of the prophecy that caused the problem. Or both. All in all, I think they bungled the use of this charm in a number of ways.
andscifi that is all true, but maybe James or Lily weren't made secret keepers because, if one of them was captured and killed (assuming they wouldn't have stayed home all the times), the charm's power would have been diluted and baby Harry's safety would be compromised. But I agree the best option would be to choose either Lily or James (or both) to be secret keeper(s). But what if the Fidelius Charm doesn't wprk when one is his own secret keeper?
Ah! but they would have to leave the house to let people know the secret in order to have visitors or get supplies because, you know, you can't create food with magic.
Question - If someone who didn’t know a secret being kept was eavesdropping on a conversation between two people who did know of the secret and were talking about it, would they be inaudible to the person who didn’t know the secret? Sorry if it’s confusing, I was just wondering what happens in that situation
I would imagine that if someone was eavesdropping on a conversation that came into a subject or secret under the fidelus charm then that part of the conversation would get muffled or for some reason be inaudible (the eavesdropper would suddenly get a raging case of tinnitus or something).
it's entirely possible the fidelius charm acts as a perfect counter to spies because if you become unable to discuss certain topics by some compelling magic, you know you're being listened to.
Also, given that the sorting hat belonged to gryffindor and has such a strong connect with the house, I think the actual secret keeper of the sorting hat would be a real loyal gryffindor who could pull the sword out of the hat, which would add so much more meaning to the hats secret as just as Slytherin left behind a special chamber for a loyal slytherin (sounds like an oxymoron, but let's just keep it that way), even gryffindor left behind a secret for the bravest of gryffindors (heir of gryffindor, anyone ?) And given that Slytherin valued bloodlines, so it's obvious that his descendants would be the heir to him, gryffindor valued bravery and it only makes sense to entrust his greatest secret upon the bravest of his house. Maybe the other founders didn't even know about this. If Voldemort killed the sorting hat it would raise too many complications, given the hat was just an ordinary hat enchanted by the four founders who were very skilled wizards and witches. Who would enchant the hat now ? So I think it fits that a true gryffindor, one who could pull out the sword from the hat can say this. Furthermore, this adds so much more meaning to the fact that Albus is the only person Harry shares this bit of information with, because he is not only sharing the information of the fact that the sorting hat is partial, but this is one of the very very few people that know what's coming before the sorting. This is how close Albus and harry were, and this is how brilliant a father harry was. Screw you cursed child.
how did everyone else find out about the sorting hat at the ceremony if there were no brave gryffindors to tell them? they wouldn’t be able to see the sorting hat and they couldn’t find out about it. no one else would be a secret keeper, and even if they did know about it, they wouldn’t be able to pass on the information.
even though all that seems really possible and pretty cool, i feel like considering this was at the start of the first book, jk didnt know at the time that her plot points would be so closely examined and was a little more careless with it, maybe only adding the mystery of the hat just for the reader's experience but idk i could be wrong considering that theory adds up really well
A theory on why they keep it hidden from students, is because their traits will be more dominant. Think about it -- when you're happy, are you more likely to conquer anything with bravery, wisdom, loyalty, or ambition, or would you be more likely to do that with fear? Fear pulls out our primal need to protect yourself, [and sometimes friends,] through our personality.
I am SOOO sick of people discriminating Hufflepuff house, I mean it is the house that "takes the rest" but that is because Helga Hufflepuff didn't discriminate anyone she was very excepting person no matter who you are and no one takes it seriously!!! Its like we are house of the average boring people, I cant stand Hufflepuff discrimination arrrggggg but I love this channel to much so sorry for the long paragraph.
The song doesn't even say that. It says that Helga Hufflepuff will "Take the lot, and treat them all the same". The Sorting Hat NEVER makes mention that Hufflepuff "takes the rest".
PEHeventing perhaps because once the keeper dies others become keepers then dumbledore was a keeper and those he told like harry became keepers as well and could pass that information onto his son
Dumbledore would have been the secret keeper and after his death wouldn't everyone that has gone through Hogwarts and gone through the sorting ceremony become the secret keepers of the sorting hat?
He addressed that near the end of the video, broskis. I don't know if his theory is correct or not, but it makes the most sense to me so I think it is.
Maybe this... the current headmaster is the secret keeper. One Dumbledore is the secret keeper he tells snape. Snape dies, but he told harry, sobnow harry is secret keeper
Gadolinium64 no.. if the secret keeper dies, all those who know about the secret become secret keepers, and the power of the fidelius charm dilutes. So not just Harry, everyone else who got sorted would be the secret keeper.
Not sure, because if Dumbeldore , than Snape were the secret keepers, no one actually told to the students. But nape did not tell Harry so there goes that. Maybe Nicolas or his wife were the secret keeper.
TheBrony/GamerPerson Hmm, I suppose only telling agency employees who aren't werewolves about the moon would be discrimination... but might solve the issue from a technical standpoint...
Jordan - yes! So is Eddie Redmayne IRL. Author and smart, compassionate human John Green is a Hufflepuff, as is Dwayne Johnson. And Jo Rowling has said "in many, many ways, Hufflepuff is my favorite house."
Sirius' idea does make since if you look at it from the point of if Sirius died everyone who had known would then be a secret keeper so a secret keeper who wouldn't be though of as the secret keeper would be safer
What if you use the fidelius charm to copyright spells. 1. create a spell. 2. use the fidelius charm to stop others from knowing how to cast it. 3. advertise it using a nickname. 4. make serious galleons. 5. pay other spellcaster for the rights to their spells under the fidelius charm. 6. create a commercial spell empire and become the wealthiest wizard in the world.
7:44 How dare you betray the Glorious HufflePuff!!! We shall fight back to it by roasting Slytherin! (I'm a Hufflepuff / Ravenclaw, I don't know any roasts. Pls help)
In case you haven't seen this: www.pottermore.com/news/fantastic-beasts-film-title-revealed-the-crimes-of-grindelwald It says that "Newt’s older brother, Theseus Scamander (Callum Turner), and his fiancée, Leta Lestrange (Zoë Kravitz)" What do you guys think about that? We already know that Newt isn't exactly fond of his older brother and now his possible friend/love interest is Theseus's fiancée, that's going to lead to some tension between the two siblings. Any theories? @SuperCarlinBrothers
I do have a question. Could somebody who doesn’t have the secret learn the information for themselves? For example, in the doorknob anecdote, I’m sure somebody would figure out to put their hand on the knob, turn and push. How would that work? Would they become secret keepers too?
Quing beE Interesting question, but that could be the exception not the rule as one of my best teachers have told me. Maybe the magic would stop them from finding out?
No. The book specifically says that even if Voldemort was looking into the Potters' living room window he would still not know they lived there because he didn't know the secret. As such I don't think you can "learn" the secret without being told it.
You said something that made me realize another thing about Harry, he's technically a seventh son. The Weasley family took him in and started treating him like a son in the second book. It is also possible that he is the seventh son of a seventh son, even though we don't don't hear anything about Arthur's family. What we do know is that there is a lot of them. Lol
Ulti184 the kids. I have a meeting with the kids. I have a meeting with the kids are in a strangers car insurance Quote from the airport and your family and friends of the year! This is a great day and night and day out of my favorite part was the only thing I can see the difference between the two most important thing is that you can get a free shopping cart and the kids are in a strangers car. The kids are at the same time as a whole lot of fun and exciting news you'd be able to do the booty scooty.
When the secret keeper dies, it dilutes the effect to everyone who was trusted before. Like when the whole order becomes secret keepers for Sirius' house after his death. I think Sirius' bluff was based on the idea that if he died, this would happen.
In the movie (Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone), Ron used 'Alohomora' on a door but it didn't work. He had to find a specific flying key in order to unlock the door.
What do you think? Is it a big Secret?
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Most Wizards use magical locks that cannot be undone with alohomora but since filch is a squib he needs regular locks in Hogwarts to be able to operate.
How comes I've never realised this? Thank you.
Try alohamora
Wow I'd never thought of it that way
Why would it matter if they were resistant to alohomora? Filch cant cast alohomora, and on top of that he cant pick locks either. To Filch all locks are the same. And he has the keys so whether they were resistant to alohomora or not is a moot point.
maybe it's because every lock that was ever opened, was opened usually by the main characters (surprise surprise); and that furthermore, they were led to do so by the machinations of dumbledore, in a series of, if you will, many miniature "wizard challenges" to guide harry, ron, and hermione to get ready for the time to come.
I think it's simple. The first rule of the Sorting Hat is: No one talks about the Sorting Hat. The second rule of the Sorting Hat is: No one talks about the Sorting Hat.
Jeremiah H Well Potter has always shown a disregard for the rules. Snape had a point.
The first rule of fight club
I thought rule two was “refer to rule one”...
mr popo created the sorting hat
Well, someone's a rule breaker...well a few people actually and they not only broke one rule but two at once, for those of you unaware that's advanced level rule breaking and also a foul for mixing separate fandoms.
Regarding Sirius's plan: perhaps he wanted to bait Voldemort into thinking that he was the Secret Keeper because if he killed him the Fidelius charm would have still worked? We know that if the Secret Keeper dies, everyone he told about the secret becomes a Secret Keeper, and that would have been quite an issue for the Potters; while if Voldemort had killed Sirius, the Fidelius charm would have been still intact and that would have at least bought the Potters some time.
Re Creso I think that’s exactly it, cause if he died then Voldemort could’ve tortured the information out of someone like Bathilda Bagshot
Yeah, that's the thing, you got it man
Good point
Wow, yeah that solves it. Until now I just thought it didn't make sense, but that explains it perfectly; if Voldemort kills the secret keeper then he only needs to turn one person who knows the location (Perhaps Snape? At the very least, Pettigrew).
Step 1: become the secret keeper
Step 2: don't tell anybody.
Works every time.
I’ve always wondered, when Arthur said “don’t trust something if you can’t see where it keeps it’s brain” would the hat be included in that. Is the sorting hat full of dark magic? Could be why it’s protected too?
Molly says that, not Arthur. I think
esqimo It’s Arthur in the Chamber of Secrets.
Obviously, it's a Matter of Skill.
Obviously (yes, i use that word twice; deal with it) you COULD
conceal the Knowledge about Doorknobs IF you have
way more Skill than Dumbledore and Voldemort TOGETHER.
Get it?
@@slevinchannel7589 I don’t get it, mostly because I don’t see how your comment pertains to my comment at all, but go off. 😂
WHERE IS HIS BRAIN?
The only thing that confuses me is the fact that Harry told Albus about the hat.
I think he mentions it near the end (Voldemort lit the Hat on fire on Neville’s head) and the charm was broken
@@kiyomiii1087 It might be an oversight on Rowling's part.
Mira Smit true. I was just saying that Ben explains his theory in the video
As soon as I saw this Vid I thought of it too
(In the movie, not sure about the book) Doesn’t the hat tell Harry how he’s sorted? If the hat is it’s own secret keeper and he told Harry the secret, this allows Harry to tell his son. Right?
Something that has bothered me about the fidelious charm, specifically the one used to hide the Potters is why they chose to make one of their friends the secret keeper in the first place. Would it not have made more sense to make James and/or Lily their own secret keepers and thus securing their safety; after all, Voldermort could hardly get the secret if the secret keepers were the ones protected by the charm.
I think the whole point of the Fidelius Charm is to have to trust someone else with your secret, because if you make yourself the Secret-Keeper, it would kind of negate the effect of the charm. The whole point is to HAVE to trust someone else, since that's where the chain's power lies, not in yourself but in the trust you have for other people. Does that make sense?? I kind of knew how to word my reply when I saw your comment, but it flew out of my head when I started typing lol. If I think of what else I wanted to say, I'll come back later, but interesting theory!!
*the charm whoops
The problem with that explanation is that in Deathly Hallows Bill is the secret keeper for Shell Cottage where he and Fluer are living and Arthur is the secret keeper for Aunty Muriel's home where he and the rest of the Weasleys are living so there's no rule within the spell saying that the secret keeper has to be someone who doesn't reside at the hidden location.
Maybe they just overthought it, and later Dumbledore is like “Oh wait... DUH!!!”
@@composerbeef I think you might be overlooking the metaphorical implications of the fidelius charm. Remember, Rowling (being the good classics student she is) named the fidelious charm after the latin word fidelus, which means something like faithful or true-hearted. By making Wormtail the secret keeper, Rowling was creating the possibility that he would never betray the Potters, even if he was weak. Of course, if Wormtail had never betrayed the Potters, the series could never had played out as it did, but the choice was still Wormtail's choice. This is true of Bill and Arthur as well: even though they are keeping their own secret, they are also protecting other people; they are being faithful when they could just protect their own skin. Personally, I think it was a brilliant move on Rowling's part to make Wormtail the secret keeper. It gave him a moral dilemma (which showed us his inclinations and motivations) and it gave him free-will: he didn't have to betray the Potters. He could still have been faithful to them. Wormtail is a pathetic little man, but he could just as easily have been a hero.
The title sounds like a Rita Sceeter article
Skeeter
Oh wow, it does
Loved this comment
soooo click baity?
No, she'd use some kind of lame alliteration, like "Sorting Hat, or Sordid Headgear?"
I've been thinking ever since seeing the third movie, why didn't James or Lily just make the other their secret keeper. If trusting someone else is the problem, they would still be trusting the other person. Honestly, this is why neither of them were in Ravenclaw.
I know that this is possible because for Bill And Fluer’s Shell Cottage the secret keeper is Bill
@@jimmyjones6962 YES! It makes no sense that peter was secret keeper. Dumbledore definitely had something to do with it...
Were they morons?
The didnt make Peter their secretkeeper.
They gave the Sekret to Sirius because they trusted him more then themselfes.
Sirius decided to pass it on to the weakest member of the order of the phoenix, without their knowledge, because he thought Peter would be the least likely target??
Please correct me if im wrong
literally I thought the same thing 😂 like come on guys
Hogwarts: a history? More like Hogwarts: a mystery
Katya Ivanova that ...a game
Lol 😂
HHAHAHAHAHAHA ios game you mentionin' brother?
This is probably the name of one of Rita’s articles
Considering books are written by people it’s possible that the book didn’t cover the hat because the hat was of no interest of the writer. They wanted to cover topics that fascinated them. Or maybe the hat never came to Hogwarts until after the book was written
Seems like the Sorting Hat is a tradition and everyone keeps the secret as part of the tradition.
No way would everyone just keep a tradition secret for that long. One drunken family meal or post-Quidditch celebration party would be all it takes to spill the beans.
I can summarize both of your ideas
Sorting hat : wizards/witches = santa : muggles
@@simonestefani9499 Yeah but nobody still believes in Santa at 11 years old
@@samylemzaoui2298 Speak for yourself. I, for one, continue to believe in the Sacred Fraternal Order of Santas.
Or to freak them out in the waiting room
Imagine some Ravenclaw just deciding, "Only a Ravenclaw must possess knowledge" and then casting the Fideleus Charm to make reading a secret
Think it actually has to be a secret. Reading and opening doors aren't secrets
@@jfg1787 No, you just have to want to keep something secret. People that knew where Harry's parents lived suddenly just forgot and only people they told would've known
Had to be a way of keeping it from being abused. I'm no expert tho never considered any of this before
"It's very likely that all people who already knew the information before the spell is cast automatically become secondary keepers upon casting, even if they are unaware of the fact. That renders them uncapable of sharing the information, but they still remember it themselves. Otherwise the Fidelius Charm could be used as a powerful brainwashing spell that affects all living humans, up to making well-known facts forgotten and impossible to rediscover."
That's from the Harry Potter wiki anyway. We can agree to disagree
Pfft-
Lol he says “be prepared to be stuck behind doors everyone” and then two years later we actually are all stuck behind doors
Either prophecy or foreshadowing 🤔😂
except for people who use door levers, buttons or, wait for it, HANDLES. Because, you know, 90% of the world except for the US uses door handles...
The wiki page on the Fidelius Charm says that it's highly likely that anyone that was aware of the information before the Charm was cast would continue to be so, but would merely be incapable of passing it on to anyone else unless the original Secret Keeper dies, because otherwise the Charm could be used as a powerful brainwashing tool to make well known facts forgotten
About the Secret keeper stuff... You answered your own question without realizing it. Riddle was sure to come after Sirius yea? At least that's what Sirius believed. Say that happened, and he's really the secret keeper. Riddle would kill him, and then everyone who knew about the house would immediately become secret keepers themselves. See the problem yet?
But if Peter is the secret keeper, and he doesn't betray the Potters... Riddle still goes after Sirius, kills him, but the original secret keeper is still alive. And Riddle would have no way of knowing that. It was a pretty smart plan. Too bad Peter was a Rat, in every sense of the word. It would have made way more sense to use some Squib. Riddle would NEVER in a million years suspect a Squib as a secret keeper.
Blade1301 Peter Pettigrew wasn't a squib, just saying.
I didn't mean Peter was a Squib, I meant they'd have been better off choosing a squib as Secret Keeper. Since that's the Last thing Riddle would expect.
I still don't understand why James or Lily couldn't be their own secret keepers? That way Voldemort couldn't find them as long as they stayed hidden & didn't go out & get caught by a death eater. As long as ey stayed home, they'd be safe. No chance to be betrayed, but I guess then there wouldn't have been a story. Lol
You mean other than JKR not being as clever as she thinks she is?
Maybe because they wanted at least one of their friends to know where they were just in case something bad happened to them, and for someone to take care of Harry? Think about it. If they would have died and nobody would have known where they were, then even their own friends wouldn't know if they were dead or not, let alone a way to check on them. Somebody needed to take care of Harry just in case something happened, so Harry woulndn't be stranded with his dead parents.
if all Malfoys had the same love of hair gel or hair product as Draco, I think it's just a case of the Hat listens out for the name 'Malfoy' and just shouts out Slytherin to avoid being put on an overly gelled head XD
I dunno how this doorknob works. Stuck behind door, send halp plz.
DesolatorMagic did you try pushing instead of pulling (congrats new secret keeper)
Does running into the door count as pushing?
Dude if he's the new secret keeper that means you died.
Go out the window or ram something big and heavy into the door.
Try Confringo.
I love how he says: “Why do WE teach first years...” new conspiracy: both of the Carlin Brothers are Hogwarts teachers 🤯
They’d muggle studies
😂 They tag-team, since they’re twins and looked more identical they were younger, and it’s just stuck over the years.
@@theamericanyoutuber they aren’t twins tho. J is older by i think two years.
They are the professors at Hogwarts for muggle studies and they're teaching us Muggles how to understand witches and wizards so that when the Wizarding Community finally drops the veil we're already intertwined properly so there's no f****** War it's brilliant oh my God
🤯🤯
Why is there a spell to fix glasses but not eyes.
Gahngis You sir (or lady) (or attack helicopter) are one of many people asking
Maybe it's still limited by science? There's VERY LITTLE we know about medical magic in the books.
Gahngis pretty sure it’s something to do with the eyes being seen as the window to the soul and you don’t mess with the soul because it can go horribly wrong. Feel like I read it somewhere (maybe pottermore) but I could be wrong
Fixing glasses is the the same as fixing any other object. Fixing your eyes would be much more complicated and require neurological healing.
But still though, you'd think with hundreds of generations of witches and wizards someone would of figured out how to fix eyesight.
It's because different prescriptions are not maladies.
I guess JK Rowling didn’t think through about the possibility that people would discuss minutiae like that in the future with such zeal and enthusiasm 😀😀😀
Yup. It's said that an author can save a lot of time by omitting such details, as fans will spin their own theories and explanations, and it'll likely be a better idea than anything the author was able to conjure up.
@Fizz not as a writer for me but as a person.
@@mauer1 Why?
The text doesn't say people who already know the secret suddenly forget it, it says they become unable to pass it on.
It is implied that it works for non-sentient objects retaining the information (like taxes).
The actual line in the paper (or Excel table) is still written in the same place of the paper (or magnetic_reactive_surface of the harddrive), but any person who tries to read it will only see gibberish [perhaps not everyone reads the exact same thing, so you could at least "detect" the presence of protected information this way, even if you can not "decode it"].
-> At most, you may be able to pinpoint the "general area" by retracing known behaviors/protocols of whoever was supposed to write that originally [like if the entire page has the same handwritting or if the file was updated at a certain timestamp]; but never enough to set "a camp" in front of the two places NEXT to the thing that is hidden (that look like if they are touching each others).
I'm the 69th comment 😂
Well that would be issue with Grimmauld place, since at least Bellatrix and Narcissa would definetely know its location prior it was made to head quarters of Order of the Phoenix.
@@asada135 well it doesnt matter if they know about grimmauld place, they doesnt know and wont be able to know that grimmauld place is the head quarter of Order of the Phoenix.
Phew, I can preserve my ability to open doors!
Hermione is shown to be an inquisitive and studious person, and she admitted to studying a large number of spells in preparation for the Sorting "test". The fact that she knows Alohamora doesn't mean it's a spell that *every* first-year is going to know.
There's also the possibility that most students will just assume that the locks around Hogwarts are enchanted in some way to prevent the spell from working.
Groundlord didn’t she say it’s from The Standard Book of Spells? Chapter 7 to be precise. That’s a book that’s on their list of school supplies so every first year should know it.
Edie &Andy yes. Even at Hogwarts Mystery (Its canon) we learn Alohomora in our first year
or it's a plot contrivance
Alohamora is a basic spell so most people who do “light reading” would know the spell
@@CommanderCodey but there is a counterspell to alohomora, that even umbridge can perform
Sometimes I feel like my professors have hidden information that will be on the test with the Fidelius Charm. I read the textbook chapters over and over, and the information is not there...I take the test, don't know how to answer that question, then go back to the book after the exam, and BAM, there is is, right on the page, plain as day... :P
omg YES! Are they infiltrated wizards/witches???
Ikrrr!!! I think its plausible since one of my teachers liked reading Harry Potter
Maybe she’s a witch in disguise 😮
OMG! SOOOO RELATABLE!!! Actually not relatable at all.
No
@@azzahrahanamayindra7253 Yeah but probably not...
I always figured the specifics of the sorting ceremony was a "secret" by tradition. Just something all the parents didn't tell their children so they would still be surprised by it. This wouldn't be particularly surprising considering how serious wizards can be about their traditions.
This. I feel like this video just overcomplicated it.
furthermore, its something our society already does (cofocofsantaclauscofcof), so its not like the wizards are super eccentric keeping such a tradition.
That makes sense except for Draco. There's no reason to believe Lucius wouldn't tell Draco if he thought it might give Draco an advantage during the ceremony (or, frankly, just have some insider knowledge he can lord over the other kids so they think he's special just because he's a Malfoy, which is definitely something Lucius would do). So for Draco to not know what the ceremony is, the answer is even simpler: Rowling wanted the reader to share a sense of wonderment with the characters and didn't think that decision all the way through, which is a reasonable conclusion as there's no way she could have known how popular her books would get, especially while writing the first book.
5:29 "Be prepared to be stuck behind doors everyone."
It's 2020 and I wish I did prepare.
yeah me to
You know, sinse seeing this video I've been thinking about Sirius' "bluff", it always seemed to me to be weird but never could put my finger on why, and when seeing the video I was still feeling like there was a piece of info missing, and after much thought I think I have it:
Sirius' plan was to die.
Think about it. As you say, the information on where the Potters were hiding couldn't be tortured out of him, but once you die everyone you told suddenly can also tell the secret. Well, as members of the Order of the Pheonix, Aurors and just by virtue of their popularity he would have had to tell at least a few people, among them one who Sirius susected to be a traitor, so what to do about it? Simple (assuming you're one of the smartest characters in the canon)
First, let some people you suspect about know where you're gonna be escaping to.
Second, make someone else who noone would ever believe would be chosen for such a task be the keeper.
Third, put up a hell of a fight and keep those sent after you persuing for as long as you possible can. (at this point it would make it clear who the traitor is, or at least significantly reduce the possibilities).
Fourth, once you inevitably die, the real keeper will be long gone and nobody would know where to, keeping the secret much safer than having to rely on your ability to keep yourself alive against the worst people ever.
Added bonus: If Voldemort decides to persue you himself you can give the order some much needed breathing room to keep strenghten themselves, but even if not, you're acting as a resource sink for the Death Eaters.
Let me know what you think, I really want to know your thoughts on this.
Juan Moreno that was probably the idea but it failed
Juan Moreno as much as i love sirius, i hate him for the change of plan..at least, this could be an explanation 🙂
"Once the Secret Keeper dies, all other whom the Secret Keeper told the secret to become a Secret Keeper themselves."
Juan Moreno they shouldve just made Tom Riddle the secret keeper
James or Lily as secret keeper would have been the best for everyone
This makes so much sense and now I'm so much sadder
I would have put Lily and James location in Sirius, and put Sirius location in Lily and James. But that is just Ravenclaw logic.
kristopher barker That's smart! I'm in Ravenclaw too!
It's too bad none of them are Ravenclaws, or they might have thought of that. I'm a Ravenclaw too, btw
Ravenclaw here too. Definitely agree!
kristopher barker
Ah yes. I've thought of that flaw before.
Also, hello fellow Ravenclaws
What is this logic? I’m Gryffindor lol
So, I've been thinking about this and I think you are seriously (haha) undermining Serious's intentions here. He says he was prepared to die because I think he EXPECTED to. You keep saying it yourself, if the secret keeper dies then all who know become secret keepers which means that it's not very secret and the "worst kept" secret keeper being secret was that Serious Black was the secret keeper for the Potters. I mean, everyone "knew" that so even if the answer couldn't be tortured out of him Voldemort could just kill Serious and then get it out of just about every single member of the Order and so many more. I think Serious knew this and planned on it so he suggested making the secret keeper someone he saw as one of his closest confidants and trust-worthy friends for life (he doubted Remus at the time) and figured that no one would really suspect that Peter of all people would hold such an important role. Just saying. Give the guy his credit! He really was going to die for his friends and protect their secret even in death by never having been the one to hold it.
LLover166 Yes! Exactly.
Saved me typing this
They SHOULD have just made a secret chain. Serious keeps the house secret. And the rat keeps the secret that serious has the secret. Or james/lilly could keep that secret even better.
@@Sorestlor secretception. Dam you got secrets on secrets
Have you ever read the books? Because nobody who read the books (even if it was several years ago) would write "Serious" that way. The person you're referring to isn't called Serious Black but SIRIUS BLACK! That had to get out. And come on... Serious???
the sorting hat could have had its own spell, different from the fidelius charm, but similar.
Omg 😱 theory twist! Best one I’ve seen by far it does not say it is protected by fedelious charm
Exactly! I have a twist on that thought. We know that a part of all four founders was included into the hat. Now I'm not implying it's some kind of horcrux, since horcruxes rely on splitting the soul. But it may be a pseudo-horcrux, a splitting of the mind. Which could mean the sorting hat is literally a surviving part of the founders. Since a item like this would be super valuable, the founders would collectively put a spell on it to protect it. This spell could be the progenitor of the fedelius charm. It's quite possible that later wizards studied the hat and figured out a spell similar to the one that the hat uses. A spell that might work slightly different from the Fedelius charm. I believe the hat's charm doesn't stop you from telling the secret, but might stop the person from remembering it. So Hermione might read it, but after a few seconds forget it. So when Harry tell it to his son. His son may have forgotten the hat the moment the conversation was over, but will inly remember his father trying to comfort him.
LMAO tbh the Potters r so foolish XD They couldve hidden Sirius away using a Fedilius Charm too probably in the Potters house with them and the Potters couldve been SIRIUS' Secret Keeper whilst Sirius was THEIRS -_- Voldemort wouldve literally NEVER found them smh.
Actually, that's genius!
I think we found a true Ravenclaw worthy of Order of Merlin 1st class
They could have just taken Dumbledore up on his offer to be their keeper.
this is brilliant !!
Or they can themselves have been the secret keeper
Can you make your secret keeper an animal? if so, make your pet (or even better, a random bunny or crow) your secret keeper! they'll never tell.
Going by the theory, maybe a phoenix. They are litteraly imortal. My inital thought was fawks, but maybe one of the founders had one and casted it upon the bird?
Liza Piashko Yeah unfortunately it has to be cast on a living person, so at least something that is sentient like a human
Minimani Could you make a centaur a secret keeper? Or aragog?
RLucas3000 Hm, I’d say possibly. I don’t see any reason that it wouldn’t work but maybe i missed something
They'd die pretty soon though. So unless you werent planning to keep it for long it wouldnt be very effective. Youd need some immortal legendary being to keep it, and also be able to lock this unaging being for eternity to make sure it didnt get itself killed by factors other than age.
Okay here is what I think happened with Sirius changing the secret keeper...
So the only people knowing of The Potters' location what's a select few including Remus. Sirius what's in a very paranoid State and wasn't thinking right. He believed since his family or Death Eaters and they knew James was his best friend they would Target him. If he died then everyone would become the Secret Keeper. This included Remus who he believed was the traitor. So if the Secret Keeper became Peter then people could suspect him and even kill him and The Potter's would be safe. Man were they wrong.
I just don’t understand why the Potters didnt want to use Dumbledore as their secret keeper🤷🏼♀️
Maybe because it would be to obvious? Then again Voldemort was scared of Dumbledore, soooo......
They should have made their cat their secret keeper lol
Cuz jk forgets her own rules
Why didn't they just make each other their secret keepers?
@@cellblocknine5385 oh my god that’s ingenious
Or... it’s a tradition people would rather have their children experience for themselves rather than tell them what to expect.
Your explanation makes sense, that it's just a plot hole.
In Pottermore you can read how the girl that created ilvermorny knew what the hat was, without going to hogwarts ever.
Every child? Everyone? Highly unlikely.
@@0Maanu0 well theoreticalmy she doesn't actuallh know about the hat, just about the sorting I think. That's why Ilvermorny has a different sorting system I think
It’s like Santa Clause
No guys, the true question and plothole is why it isnt written in history of hogwarts....if not that then i would agree that parents didmt tell them for the sake of pureness and unbiased choice of house
QUESTION!!??If a muggle sees Hogwarts as a ruin, what happens when they approach it? Walk around it? Go inside the ruins? Do the witches & wizards see the muggle wandering around Hogwarts or not? x
There are other charms working as well, such as one that makes the school unplottable on maps, and another makes electrical items stop functioning. Another of these charms makes muggles who approach the school think that they have some very very important task and they leave. It's in book 4.
Thanks for that, now you mention I think I briefly recall it now but I'm dyslexic so its a smaller detail I probably wouldn't retain. Thanks again! x
But what happens when the Google Truck goes by it? Or a satellite maps the area? I'm pretty sure people are going to notice a large gap in their data.
TheBrony/GamerPerson it will probably replace the emptiness with the ruins...
Abby W wait if that was true the ruins would show up on a map. Another wizard could look at the map on Google knowing Hogwarts appears to be a ruin and then go there themselves.
What about the scarf of sexual preference?
Luke William What about the scarf of the goddess of Wisdom (Greek from Percy Jackson) 😂
Watch this and then thank me later. th-cam.com/video/wmwM_AKeMCk/w-d-xo.html
McKenzie Hayes it was the goddess of love's (Aphrodite's) scarf. Not Athena ' s .
Luke William Thank you! ^^
Ahaha yeah
So… I’m guessing Sirius’ plan is more in the line that if they killed him, the secret keeper’s location would be safe, and there wouldn’t become 5+ secret keepers ensuring that the Fidelius Charm retained its potency
As to why Sirius thought it would be a good bluff to use Pettigrew instead of himself: If Sirius was gone after because Voldemort thought he was the secret keeper and then killed, the people he had let in on the secret would then become secret keepers. This would give Voldemort more people to go after until he found one that would willingly give him the information. But with Sirius not being the secret keeper, it would prevent that from happening. Not that it was a great plan. Obviously it failed anyway. And Pettigrew would have become a secret keeper even if Sirius had been and then killed. But that was what I thought the reasoning would be. I could be wrong. But it made the most sense after knowing how the charm works.
Ashley Caulfield that's a great theory because Sirius might have mistakenly thought that it would be protecting his loved ones to not be the keeper because Voldemort would go after his loved ones e.g the people he told if he died and they became keepers.
What I’ve always wondered though is why James or Lily couldn’t have been the secret keeper?
Liv Jones Or Harry.
Robin Bernardinis true, but harry was only a baby so no one would be able to get into the house because he probably couldn’t talk very well or maybe he could?
Liv Jones Maybe you have to be mature enough to be able to understand the charm for it to work on you.
Actually it was never confirmed that unlock spell is taught in year 1, Hermione is the only one to use it and we know she taught herself spells before she went to Hogwarts
But she learned it from the first year textbook
@@timeamajor2081 citation needed
@@timeamajor2081 How do you know? Knowing Hermione, she is reading advanced wizard if months before even going into Hogwarts
@@jaysondavis9693 She says in the first film that it's in 'Standard Book of Spells: Chapter 7'. Yes, I know that line is from the film rather than the book, but I think official policy is that the films are considered canon where they don't contradict the books, and there's nothing in the books to say that the spell ISN'T in that textbook, so it can therefore be taken as canon that it is
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz that would be headcannon, not cannon.
Here's my question: With so many kids wearing it, does the Sorting Hat contain lice?
anti lice charm, you learn it third year.
nice magic is nice
The lice would be on the sword of gryffindor
As a magical object, I'm sure there's a way it doesn't have lice
it eats them
Regarding the rant about Sirius deciding to make Wormtail secret keeper for James and Lilly's location. If a person dies while secret keeper, as you pointed out yourself, then any who they have shared the secret with become the secret keepers. Sirius felt that, as the obvious choice, he might be targeted and killed. This would instantly enable a large number of additional secret keepers and give more opportunity for the secret to possibly be shared. He felt that Wormtail was much less likely to be suspected, and therefor safer... of course not knowing he was a sniveling coward that would betray them in a heartbeat ;)
Yes, absolutely my thoughts!!!
Can't wait for Fantastic Beast: The Crimes of Grindelwald!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TurtwigLover4 me neither! The first Fantastic Beasts was a great movie, and I trust the Crimes of Grindelwald will be a great movie too.
Wouldn't this make anyone who's seen the movie... now a "Secret Keeper"? Hmm.
Marc A. Mercier no because the charm isn’t real
JonIsPatented Ur kidding right. Marc was joking.
Eli the Cacti of course
Marc A. Mercier or read the books
No, because Hogwarts isn't real
James should have done it to Lilly and Lilly should have told James or vice versa.
Zade Moadi I agree
I think maybe they needed it to be someone else so they could bring like food and stuff
Honestly I think it's just to have some extra "wow" factor when reading the story. You learn stuff as the characters experience it. It would've killed the impact of the hat if Hermione just laid it out for them before walking in there. No, it doesn't make any sense at all that Ron and Hermione wouldn't have known, but sometimes authors gotta auth. Wouldn't have been any fun if Ron came already knowing a hundred spells, having heard them used in his presence literally his entire life. I mean if you think about it, it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense having muggle-born kids who know literally nothing of magic being placed on the same level as pure blood children in the first place because those kids who grew up around it would already know SO MUCH information as well as many spells, even if they weren't able to cast them yet.
I mean sure, but I feel like this logic could be applied to a LOT of plotholes even outside of Harry Potter; and because of that, it just feels like a cop-out explanation.
In HP related talk, the new Fantastic Beasts movie looks super interesting! Nice video Ben!
Wotso Videos ha how are you. I can't believe more people didn't notice such an amazing TH-camr
I'm doing good kid lightning! I really appreciate the compliment, but I don't expect anyone to notice! People are busy soaking up the awesomeness of the Super Carlin Brothers!
Wotso Videos I really enjoyed the first movie, can’t wait for the next.
Too bad JK Rowling profits from it
Mr. ElectriDictator what do you mean? She wrote it, of course she profits from it.
count on j and ben to expose the holes of the hp universe lmao omg
eli m. Expose the holes and then fix them.
Holes or well thought quirks?
Thank you, Ben and Jay, for amazing videos. I found your channel two years ago and have watched every video since. I am a huge fan of Harry Potter and Disney/Pixar, so this is just the perfect channel for me! Keep up the amazing work!
I think one of the founders was secret keeper then the secret was passed on to the headmasters and headmistresses and when dumbldore died evreyone who knew about it became secret keeper
I have a theory that the Fidelius charm works like an artificial invocation
of a mental lapse. If one reads a sentence in Hogwarts a History that mentions the Sorting Hat, they would understand it like any regular person would. But when their eyes shift away from the sentence, they no longer retain the information or recall even coming across the sentence. Furthermore, I don't recall any text stating that people who have previously possessed the knowledge would forget the information once a keeper is selected. Perhaps Pettigrew was the one who casted the spell so no one beforehand knew the location. This should help tone down the idea that the spell has the ability invasively make 8 billion people forget how to breathe.
Yik Long Tay not everyone is as stupid as you and are likely to forget what they just read 2 seconds after reading it
so basically it works like the silence
"Sirius, I have a secret for you.
THAT IS A *STUPID* PLAN."
I died XD
Can you do video on Greek mythology in Harry Potter
hippogriff, sphinx, Etc.
More plausible: The year that Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Malfoy started at Hogwarts was the 1st year that the knowledge was kept secret from all 1st Years. Sort of hazing. After the fall of Voldemort, Headmistress MacGonagle decided that it was no longer to be, and the Sorting Hat was made known within the Magical Community.
It makes sense as the hat (if going to accurately put someone In a house) needs to find what values the said student puts above all else
Jack the lad how does that make sense? Whatever.
Waifu Laifu whatever I don't really care.
+Matt Jerman
If you do not care, why the hell did you bring this stuff up???
Literally you are TRYING to start an argument.
What the f**k just happened?
Why didn’t Harry’s parents put the fidelius charm on harry. It’s not like harry will tell people where they live.
Choco Mousse his parents wouldn't be able to find harry either unless he told them.
And Harry would not have been able to tell the Order where they were.
I never understood why they didn't just use it on James. He was hiding inside the house anyway
Because the secret keeper needs to accept being the secret keeper.
Choco Mousse If harry died, everyone who had known where the Potter's lived would now be the secret keepers
You’re getting confused over this curse, the secret keeper can still be tortured into telling the secret, but everyone else who is not the secret keeper cannot tell anyone, even if they are tortured
9:07 or Nicholas flamel because he dies at the end of the first book and it seems like everyone after that is aware that it is a hat that sorts them. Put your suggestions in the reply section
If the Sorting Hat was killed, then there would be a lot of Secret Keepers!
Me: holding up a pair of Scissors: WHERES THE HAT CHILDREN
OR, and I'm just pulling this out of the usual place: writers are human and JK Rowling didn't think about it while writing the books.
Just saying.
She'd amend it with a tweet.
Rowling is a very smart writer who thinks of everything. And even if she did make a mistake she would tweet it or somethin, or change the books.
Henk Kalveren she’s only human don’t put her on some impossible pedestal
Yeah but it's always fun to try and think of an in-universe explanation.
@@darkassassinkantafly lol
Nice Coco guitar, Ben. I also love the Pua plushie. He was my favorite part of Moana and i was bummed Hei-hei went instead of him. Thank you for making great videos and tell Jay i said hi!
Thank you for correcting me. The Hufflepuff in me made me say thank you!
When someone uses the fidelius charm on how to walk:
“Bro I can’t move”
“How do I get a snack if I can’t go to the kitchen”
“How do you move your legs”
Everyone would have to crawl
>:)
Last time I was this early the 4 founders of Hogwarts were still sorting their students by hand
A person to whom the location has been revealed to can't have the secret tortured out of them. The secret keeper can because they can reveal the location to anyone person they want to.
Yes, this. The original secret keeper can tell them if he want but everyone else can tell the information and the torturer can't understand it, no matter how much they torture them. The Original Secret keeper, however has the power to share the information.
Whom*
So I guess that means you could torture the Secret Keeper, which begs the question, why didn't 1 of the Potters just be the Secret Keeper of their house's location? Since they were hiding, they weren't going out of the house much anyway, so Voldemort couldn't have tortured whichever of them was the SK & the other couldn't have it tortured out of them.
"The Fidelius charm is too complex and advanced, a form of very deep magic, so it can’t be fooled with cheap tricks. The whole essence behind it is to put faith in a living soul, into a person other than yourself. It’s based on trust, loyalty, and fidelity, hence its name. It’s not about moving your wand and saying an incantation. If you want to hide, someone else must be the secret keeper, a person who wants to keep the secret in their mind, soul, and heart. Therefore, neither Lily nor James could play this part, as it was their lives that were in danger and their house that had to be protected."
www.quora.com/Why-didnt-the-Potters-become-their-own-secret-keepers
r_and_om_me is this official? because it doesnt make sense at all. You can be the secret keeper of your own home, we can see this in part 7 when Lupin says that Bill is the secretkeeper of Shell Cottagel, where he(Bill) and Fleur live.
Sirius's plan was actually a good idea. If Voldemort went after Sirius, who he would have expected to be secret keeper anyways, as he was James best friend, Sirius would have died and the role of secret keeper would have been passed to all who knew about the secret, meaning the whole order. This would have made it so much harder for Voldemort to track down someone who would intentionally reveal the secret, as with the Fedelius charm, you need to have the person willingly give the secret to you without any magical means of persuasion, like the imperious curse or a confundus charm. There of course was the snag, aka, Peter Pettigrew, who was an insider in their group and part of the order. He would have snuck off to tell Voldemort the information (he could) anyways meaning Lily and James would have most likely died in the end. However, in the process of writing the comment, I realised something. Sirius, is no idiot, in fact, he's very smart. He would be no stranger to staying up late at night as he needed to do so every month at Hogwarts. This could have affected his sleeping habits, making it harder for him to get to sleep at night. Then, he would have heard Pettigrew sneak out around past midnight, the expected time for him to sneak out, and go to Voldemort. Since the order knew there was a spy in the Marauders group, he would have put two and two together, figuring out how Peter must have been the mole. However, putting the error aside, it would have been a brilliant idea, as who would suspect Pettigrew as the spy, as he was the weakling of the group, plus, if Voldemort did go after Sirius, then it would be one life lost instead of three (counting Harry as Sirius didn't know about Lily's protection) maybe even 4, as Lily was rumoured to be pregnant before she died.
But then why not just make Dumbledore the Secret Keeper? Voldemort actively avoids confrontation with Dumbledore because he fears him. Really, this just always bothered me - Dumbledore seems to be the perfect Secret Keeper; he becomes the Secret Keeper for the Order, so why not Godric's Hollow?
- - That's a fair point. However, we know how persistent Tom is. Lily and James's death would have been delayed but Dumbledore's death would have been earlier. It would have changed the plotline immensely but Harry would have still received the scar as Tom would have killed Dumbledore, making everyone who knew the Secret Keepers. Then, Peter would have told Tom the location and the story would resume.
But the Secret Keeper's identity was, itself, a secret. Nobody knew Peter was the Secret Keeper except James, Lily, Sirius and Peter. If they had gone with Sirius the only people who would have known would have been James, Lily and Sirius (Sirius even went into hiding in canon to play up expectations of him being the real Secret Keeper since he was the obvious choice). Sirius and Dumbledore are the obvious choices, and the only reason Voldemort ever knew neither were the Secret Keeper was because the Secret Keeper himself told him.
Voldemort would have wanted to prepare for telling Dumbledore, since Dumbledore was the only wizard he ever feared and he would have wanted to take no chances. In the meantime anything could have happened. Regulus could have fled with Kreacher to the Order instead of staying in the Cave to die, leaking the secret of the Horcruxes and sparking the hunt for them much earlier. The tide of war could have turned, beating down the Death Eaters to a negligible force. Hell, the Statute of Secrecy may well have been broken and the wizarding world revealed, which is a whole other story.
At the end of the day, Dumbledore still would have made the most sensible choice for Secret Keeper.
- - I agree that Dumbledore would have been the best choice for Secret Keeper, but for the sake of the original story, I'd like to make a few points.
Regulas would not know the location of the Order, as they purposefully kept themselves hidden, so they wouldn't be attacked by death eaters. He would have to be looking around constantly, and there would have been a very small chance that he would find them.
The plan to kill Dumbledore was a fairly simple one. Finding a time when Dumbledore was distracted, using this opportunity to go through the loophole that had been previously found (eg: the vanishing cabinet), and launching a mass attack. At this time, Voldemort was at his prime. He had several hundred followers who, by strength in numbers, could have easily taken out the Order. They would have cast the Dark Mark then as well.
Dumbledore, upon seeing the Dark Mark over the Orders safe house, would obviously investigate to see if everyone was okay. There, he could be disarmed or stunned, and Voldemort could finish him off. Then, Peter could reveal the secret to him and the story would carry on.
You may be saying, if Regulas couldn't find the Order's location, then how could Voldemort? Well, Regulas is one man and Voldemort has an exceptional mind, plus several followers to offer some brainpower. We even know in the Deathly Hallows, that the death eaters know/strongly suspect the location of Harry, Ron and Hermione. As for the loophole, there would be some magical object that the Fedelius Charm doesn't guard against, as the Fedelius charm is a rather old spell that may not guard against modern magical means.
(Just adding right now, it's a lot of fun to debate on the more complex aspects of Harry Potter with a hardcore fan like me XD)
Why the heck did they just not make James or Lily the Secret Keeper as far as I know there is no rule forbidding this and it's foolproof???
Ben: "Houses are unique to Hogwarts."
Ilvermorny: "Am I a joke to you?"
6:40 "when will my reflection show who I am inside"
I'm pretty sure the scarf of sexual preference was the secret keeper
Hannah L exactly
SCARFYYYY
I was just scrolling through the comments, taking a sip of Dr Pepper and then *snorts* which soon turned into *chokes*
Hazelmykitten that sounds so painful 😂
SCARFY!!
Rest in peace bud.
Every time people mention muggles seeing hogwarts they say all they will see is ruins, what if a muggle is fascinated by ruins and wants to examine them, will they pass through the barrier or will they be able to interact with said ruins??
SomeEnglishGuy there's also muggle repelling charms so if they get close they would remember something else they were supposed to do and go away
Keika They're going to bring the wizarding world into the 21st century, kicking and screaming if they have to.
Keika actually, there are a number of places on Google Maps and Google Earth that are blanked out or pixelated out for different reasons, like security.
Tig Ol' Bitties but what if they have nothing else to do? Wizards are just dicks to muggles
Also, aren't Squibs technically Muggles?
4:32 What Sirius means by a “bluff” is that Peter was the Secret Keeper. They would think no-one use a “weak, untalented” person. Kinda easy to understand tho-
or nicholas flamel could be the secret keeper
Grace Durden 1: he’s not as old as the school.
2: he died shortly after Book 1.
David Spring F
flamel went to durmstrang
Joesaka vlogs. He went to Beauxbatons Academy according to Pottermore
he went to beauxbatons, not durmstrang.
_Loving_ the *Harry Potter* vids!!! 😍 You're the best!!
Krgood 7 I like Harry Poter
You've added a guitar for Coco. Thats so cool! I can't wait for this movie!
Plamena Radevska When does it get released in there?
4:03 If the information can’t be tortured out of you, it means that Peter Pettigrew was so terrified of Voldemort that he gave up the information before Voldemort tried to do anything. If he had just been brave there’s nothing Voldemort could have done.
I am so grateful this isn’t a “The Hat is secretly a Horcrux”
I’ve been seeing a lot of crackpot theorists coming up with crazy Horcrux theories lately
And this channel has a record cof Fawkes cof
About Sirius and his decision not to be secret keeper. Regulus had died before James and Lily died. After his death Sirius appreciated his brother more. Maybe even felt guilty that he wasn't there for his brother like he had before they had started Hogwarts. So maybe Sirius was afraid that he'd let down his other brother, soul-brother James.
Maybe when Harry told Albus all Albus heard was gibberish, or was incapable of putting what he heard into memory.
TheJaredtheJaredlong No the nature of the fidelius charm would prevent him from talking about it, period, unless he's the secret keeper.
Harry: The Sorting Hat takes your choice into account
Albus * hears *: the iugfdi isfgviduysdfiv takes your choice into account
albus: Ok
Wouldnt you think that it's the headmaster who is th secret keeper if so when Dumbledore is killed, instead of dying naturally and appointing a new secret keeper, isnt the charmed broken which would make it so that harry would be able to talk about it cuz the charm broke with Dumbledore's death
Possibility: it's not headmaster as a person, but instead headmaster (or headmaster and staff) as position - meaning that person with the title of headmaster is the secret keeper. By that, secret is transfer only when "position" dies (so, gets removed/canceled) or possibly gets empty - in case of which I assume Dumbledore had his successor already set as Snape, so effectively (school's magic - including headmaster portraits being obedient) immediately passed on.
Sirius's plan is actually pretty good. Had Peter not told Voldemort the location, Voldemort would have probably gone after Sirius. If Sirius was killed and he was the Secret Keeper, everyone who knew the secret would have become Secret Keeper, thus diluting the Fidelius Charm's power.
I agree, assuming anyone else actually knew their location. If not, then it would have been better for James or Lily to be the secret keeper.
Morganachan Wormtail, Lupin and Dumbledore (at least) knew
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't have been best for either James or Lily to be the keeper. They could still have told someone if they needed to know, but that person couldn't have told anyone else.
On top of that if James or Lily died it would probably mean the charm wasn't needed anymore.
Also, can you double up on the charm? For example make Lily the Secret keeper, but then make James the secret keeper for the knowledge that they even used the charm. That way they couldn't even tell anyone that the charm was used. Or make the secret the knowledge of the prophecy that caused the problem. Or both.
All in all, I think they bungled the use of this charm in a number of ways.
andscifi that is all true, but maybe James or Lily weren't made secret keepers because, if one of them was captured and killed (assuming they wouldn't have stayed home all the times), the charm's power would have been diluted and baby Harry's safety would be compromised. But I agree the best option would be to choose either Lily or James (or both) to be secret keeper(s). But what if the Fidelius Charm doesn't wprk when one is his own secret keeper?
Ah! but they would have to leave the house to let people know the secret in order to have visitors or get supplies because, you know, you can't create food with magic.
Question - If someone who didn’t know a secret being kept was eavesdropping on a conversation between two people who did know of the secret and were talking about it, would they be inaudible to the person who didn’t know the secret? Sorry if it’s confusing, I was just wondering what happens in that situation
I would imagine that if someone was eavesdropping on a conversation that came into a subject or secret under the fidelus charm then that part of the conversation would get muffled or for some reason be inaudible (the eavesdropper would suddenly get a raging case of tinnitus or something).
Astrid Summers they would be like every one else they would hear It and know it but be physically incapable of sharing said information
Or at least that seems logical then again that us muggel logic and thus Is rendered issues though it does not make it untrue
+Drewzee well no cause anyone who's not a secret keeper can't pass along the secret making your statement impossible
it's entirely possible the fidelius charm acts as a perfect counter to spies because if you become unable to discuss certain topics by some compelling magic, you know you're being listened to.
Also, given that the sorting hat belonged to gryffindor and has such a strong connect with the house, I think the actual secret keeper of the sorting hat would be a real loyal gryffindor who could pull the sword out of the hat, which would add so much more meaning to the hats secret as just as Slytherin left behind a special chamber for a loyal slytherin (sounds like an oxymoron, but let's just keep it that way), even gryffindor left behind a secret for the bravest of gryffindors (heir of gryffindor, anyone ?) And given that Slytherin valued bloodlines, so it's obvious that his descendants would be the heir to him, gryffindor valued bravery and it only makes sense to entrust his greatest secret upon the bravest of his house. Maybe the other founders didn't even know about this. If Voldemort killed the sorting hat it would raise too many complications, given the hat was just an ordinary hat enchanted by the four founders who were very skilled wizards and witches. Who would enchant the hat now ? So I think it fits that a true gryffindor, one who could pull out the sword from the hat can say this. Furthermore, this adds so much more meaning to the fact that Albus is the only person Harry shares this bit of information with, because he is not only sharing the information of the fact that the sorting hat is partial, but this is one of the very very few people that know what's coming before the sorting. This is how close Albus and harry were, and this is how brilliant a father harry was. Screw you cursed child.
Hriday Mehta thats a gooone @supercarlin brothers
This means that Neville is a secret keeper too
Oh god, now everyone's gonna know!
how did everyone else find out about the sorting hat at the ceremony if there were no brave gryffindors to tell them? they wouldn’t be able to see the sorting hat and they couldn’t find out about it. no one else would be a secret keeper, and even if they did know about it, they wouldn’t be able to pass on the information.
Seems to me that Fred just wanted to mess with Ron and that the sorting hat never really got properly documented.
even though all that seems really possible and pretty cool, i feel like considering this was at the start of the first book, jk didnt know at the time that her plot points would be so closely examined and was a little more careless with it, maybe only adding the mystery of the hat just for the reader's experience but idk i could be wrong considering that theory adds up really well
There's this thing on my door! WHAT IS IT!!!???
BennyisaChicken It’s Dumble
@@Lauren-vf4ft Dore
@@themaskedone9134 you need more likes
@Srikar Baru Oh My God How Do You Not Get This.
Its When He Said What If We Had A Secret Keeper On A Doorknob its A Joke ok
@@bamb1etta_basterb1ne woosh
A theory on why they keep it hidden from students, is because their traits will be more dominant.
Think about it -- when you're happy, are you more likely to conquer anything with bravery, wisdom, loyalty, or ambition, or would you be more likely to do that with fear? Fear pulls out our primal need to protect yourself, [and sometimes friends,] through our personality.
5:15 store the information about how to breathe, to make an apocalipse.
I am SOOO sick of people discriminating Hufflepuff house, I mean it is the house that "takes the rest" but that is because Helga Hufflepuff didn't discriminate anyone she was very excepting person no matter who you are and no one takes it seriously!!! Its like we are house of the average boring people, I cant stand Hufflepuff discrimination arrrggggg but I love this channel to much so sorry for the long paragraph.
The song doesn't even say that. It says that Helga Hufflepuff will "Take the lot, and treat them all the same". The Sorting Hat NEVER makes mention that Hufflepuff "takes the rest".
potter_crashers Slytherin ftw
Sorry to be such a Ravenclaw but *accepting
Amen! #Hufflepuffpride!
we got newt scammander, tonks and deadpool in our house just sayin
However at the end of the last movie doesn't Harry tell his son about the hat when he was worried where he would be sorted?!?
He said in the video that the house was damaged by Voldemort enough that the Fidelius Charm broke.
PEHeventing perhaps because once the keeper dies others become keepers then dumbledore was a keeper and those he told like harry became keepers as well and could pass that information onto his son
Dumbledore would have been the secret keeper and after his death wouldn't everyone that has gone through Hogwarts and gone through the sorting ceremony become the secret keepers of the sorting hat?
He addressed that near the end of the video, broskis.
I don't know if his theory is correct or not, but it makes the most sense to me so I think it is.
u r right...didnt think bout it that way..... "nice one James"
Maybe this... the current headmaster is the secret keeper. One Dumbledore is the secret keeper he tells snape. Snape dies, but he told harry, sobnow harry is secret keeper
Gadolinium64 no.. if the secret keeper dies, all those who know about the secret become secret keepers, and the power of the fidelius charm dilutes. So not just Harry, everyone else who got sorted would be the secret keeper.
The secret keeper is the sorting hat. if the hat dies then there's no reason to try and find out in the first place, the ultimate contingency.
Not sure, because if Dumbeldore , than Snape were the secret keepers, no one actually told to the students. But nape did not tell Harry so there goes that. Maybe Nicolas or his wife were the secret keeper.
No one:
JK Rowling: The sorting hat is gay
Gay for Scarfy ;)
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Opening doors? No, too small, protect the moon with the Fidelius charm. Poor werewolves.
Joel Dowdell
Omg, what a clever idea!
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But how do you think all the space agencies would feel when they suddenly couldn't calculate their missions?
TheBrony/GamerPerson
Hmm, I suppose only telling agency employees who aren't werewolves about the moon would be discrimination... but might solve the issue from a technical standpoint...
This is the kind of quality HP content I live for
Edit: WHY THE HUFFLEPUFF HATE?
Shea Pierson wasn't Newt Scamander a Hufflepuff? He's pretty smart and brave imo
Jordan - yes! So is Eddie Redmayne IRL. Author and smart, compassionate human John Green is a Hufflepuff, as is Dwayne Johnson. And Jo Rowling has said "in many, many ways, Hufflepuff is my favorite house."
Sirius' idea does make since if you look at it from the point of if Sirius died everyone who had known would then be a secret keeper so a secret keeper who wouldn't be though of as the secret keeper would be safer
What if you use the fidelius charm to copyright spells.
1. create a spell.
2. use the fidelius charm to stop others from knowing how to cast it.
3. advertise it using a nickname.
4. make serious galleons.
5. pay other spellcaster for the rights to their spells under the fidelius charm.
6. create a commercial spell empire and become the wealthiest wizard in the world.
7:44
How dare you betray the Glorious HufflePuff!!! We shall fight back to it by roasting Slytherin!
(I'm a Hufflepuff / Ravenclaw, I don't know any roasts. Pls help)
In case you haven't seen this: www.pottermore.com/news/fantastic-beasts-film-title-revealed-the-crimes-of-grindelwald
It says that "Newt’s older brother, Theseus Scamander (Callum Turner), and his fiancée, Leta Lestrange (Zoë Kravitz)" What do you guys think about that? We already know that Newt isn't exactly fond of his older brother and now his possible friend/love interest is Theseus's fiancée, that's going to lead to some tension between the two siblings. Any theories? @SuperCarlinBrothers
Ooooo I didn't know that yet! Intriguing!
Yazmina Robinson wow
Well the fiancée’s last name is lestrange that name is the last name of bellatrix one of Voldemort’s most loyal servant
Dabula Technically Bellatrix is only a Lestrange by marriage, by blood she is a Black. It’s Rodolphus that was a Lestrange by blood.
VoltrixHD is that A theory?
I do have a question. Could somebody who doesn’t have the secret learn the information for themselves? For example, in the doorknob anecdote, I’m sure somebody would figure out to put their hand on the knob, turn and push. How would that work? Would they become secret keepers too?
Quing beE Interesting question, but that could be the exception not the rule as one of my best teachers have told me. Maybe the magic would stop them from finding out?
No. The book specifically says that even if Voldemort was looking into the Potters' living room window he would still not know they lived there because he didn't know the secret. As such I don't think you can "learn" the secret without being told it.
Oh, thank you very much!
It's like muggles not seeing the leaky cauldron, they just can't do anything with that place because they can't see it.
so in the case of the doorknob would you just not be able to see the entire doorknob?
You said something that made me realize another thing about Harry, he's technically a seventh son. The Weasley family took him in and started treating him like a son in the second book. It is also possible that he is the seventh son of a seventh son, even though we don't don't hear anything about Arthur's family. What we do know is that there is a lot of them. Lol
4:43 does that make us secret keepers?
andkon159 so that means that Ben is the “real” secret keeper now...
WOOAAAHHHH 😨
I have forgot how to open a door
Emil Johannesson alohamora
Emil Johannesson yeah me to, or I'm just lazy
Ulti184 the kids. I have a meeting with the kids. I have a meeting with the kids are in a strangers car insurance Quote from the airport and your family and friends of the year! This is a great day and night and day out of my favorite part was the only thing I can see the difference between the two most important thing is that you can get a free shopping cart and the kids are in a strangers car. The kids are at the same time as a whole lot of fun and exciting news you'd be able to do the booty scooty.
alohamora
When the secret keeper dies, it dilutes the effect to everyone who was trusted before. Like when the whole order becomes secret keepers for Sirius' house after his death. I think Sirius' bluff was based on the idea that if he died, this would happen.
In the movie (Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone), Ron used 'Alohomora' on a door but it didn't work. He had to find a specific flying key in order to unlock the door.