This is the best, honest review I've seen in the past week checking alot of T128, T248, G29/920, G923 reviews out there. Congrats for keeping it real, detailed, and for everyone, begginers, casuals and elites :) Keep it up! Just ordered it today on Amazon for 129euros on BF sale. Haven't played a driving game since MW2 more then a decade ago, but I used to play all of them arcade driving back then. Was having an ich for a wheel feeling, never used one, and this sale price actually made me order it since at that price, for me, it seems best budget wheel with 900 degrees rotation and okish FFB.
The reviewer on wheels bare none . Coming from controller to T128 feels awesome because you no no different which all reviewers fail to acknowledge because they have forgotten when they first started ,it passes me of ! Well done 👏
This is the only review that people need to watch for this wheel. Thank you for the excellent video and demonstrating it on 2 different games. I haven't used any high end racing wheels, but your thoughts seem similar to my impressions of the T128. If you want to drive with a wheel, but are on a tight budget, this will do the job, but you won't be beating many times set by high end equipment. For the price, it's a nice piece of kit honestly.
Great in depth review as usual. As you said, the product is ok if you're a new to simracing or on a budget. What's impressive though is the silence of the FF, that's a really good point for this wheel. Maybe a driver update will fix the differences in feeling between games.
The interior is quite well thought out and tightly build, very nice. Man, can't wait for your review of the new T818 and Logitech G Pro! Sim Racing Garage is the real deal!
@@awsomestleaperd78 Even the T248 will not replace the T300. It has no ability to switch out the steering wheel as well as it's too slow in rotational speed when compared to the T300 so you have "throw" the steering wheel yourself when you want to drift or do a quick reaction
@@Sithhy Honestly the replaceable steering wheel part is not important with thrustmaster. I doubt theres many people buying thrustmasters rims when they have a t300, they would upgrade the wheelbase first. However, the speed thing definitely seems of concern
Especially the entry/cheap wheels you are coming at it from a Racing Car Simulator, where the rumble strips are important, feeling is winning, but many casual gamers or those JUST starting with FFB run driving games, not simulators. Not merely Forza, but three other options may well work differently and be a bigger draw for people buying those wheels, and not "needing" to get off their controller/keyboard. Euro Truck Simulator 2/American Truck simulator (same engine), Snow Runner and Farming Simulator 22. The first is on sale and merely the base game gets you most of the way there. It is all about feeling some feedback when you are losing direction or contact, if the FFB informs, then to an extent it is working. Snow Runner is slow and based on offroad, poor traction, and the FFB is about helping you find the grip that takes you up (or safely down) a slope. If FFB helps you find that route, it is working. Farm Sim 22 only recently got FFB abilities, and as a more recent release it is not cheap either. FFB is more about steering safely (you're mostly in a tractor on "farmland" or roads). FS22 also has a problem that you need a lot more buttons to press and FFB isn't a selling point for the game, using a tractor IS. All those games are not so much racing simulators, not even racing GAMES (even silly gaming game types like Wipeout or whatever), but is a large market that might do with merely a cheaper option because the game isn't delivering the force feedback that makes a racing game so going a grand worth of direct drive kit is almost wasted compared to even rubber band systems for that type, but COULD lead to trying other, more racing, games because they found *a* difference using FFB on those, and other games reward better, but more expensive, alternatives, by needing more feed back to the person via their wheel whilst the games I suggested have a lower need and a lower reward (for example, you are not competing with other humans, so "better wheel" doesn't mean "win against someone trying to get ahead of you").
Which one should be preferred between Logitech G29 and Thrustmaster T128? Material quality and clutch will not affect my decision. What I'm curious about is FFB and steering feel. The T128 has a hybrid system, the G29 has a fully geared system, so I'm closer to the T128 but haven't decided yet.
Too bad they didn't add at least a slight rubber grip/wrap like the t150/tmx has around the hand position areas. But yeah, obvious where they spent the money and where they cut the corners to hit the low price point target. But exactly for that target market, it really doesn't seem that bad.
So this one is around 200USD and the older Logitech G29 goes on sale for 200 bucks which is the better bet? The logitech is older design but still new.
Any tips on how you got the wheel open? Looks like I removed all of the screws you've removed to open it up but still couldn't get it open. Thanks in advance!
Hello there, Thank you for the review ! Do the pedals use separate axes (one for throttle and one for brakes) or they use a single combined axis ? This is very important for sim racing. Thank you.
I think it's only if the game supports it. My lights flash on start up so they obviously work but I'm playing Dirt 2.0 and WRC 9 and they don't do anything..
@@martynpope4078 I‘m playing them too! But also in Assetto Corsa and Project Cars 2 it does not work. I think, there’s a not right placed cable from the transport.🤷🏼♂️ or maybe it does just work with PC.
hi... I need help with this Thrustmaster T128P PS5 steering wheel, I want to buy it for my nephew ,I think it will be difficult for him to change gears on the steering wheel. Is it possible not to use the gears on the steering wheel? set it to be an automatic gear? Thank you very much.
T128 is a better build and well thought out wheel it seems. Some people are disappointed by the break and accelerator but even though it's small, it will last more compared to the older one.
I'm also wondering this. It seems Logitech isn't rushing to get any review units out, and that price might be keeping some reviewers from buying it for themselves
Question. For those who use the DD wheel at 15Nm and up, are they trying to get the feeling of no power steering (or v minimal) in race car setting? If one is driving road cars like in AC, is there need to dial up the torque to beyond 5nM?
That's a great question. For ACC I use a 17nm wheel at 100% in drivers, only 35% in game, and I'm not sure if have something set wrong, but it still clips under certain circumstances, so a higher power wheel would be good. So I imagine that is running about 6nm in reality? It's a nice weight, giving good weight and detail. You could have heavier steering for fun, but I doubt most would run it much higher for actual racing. So there is a difference between the general weight you're feeling, and the headroom the wheel has for some situations like large weight transfer or sliding around etc. To answer your question, it depends on what you want to do. Do you want the most accurate feeling of a modern power steered car in AC? Then you don't need too strong a wheel. Or do you want to drive that same car in game, but because this is a sim and not real life, want a greater range of ffb power so you get better feeling of small details and no clipping etc to help you drive it faster? In that case something like 12-15 nm up would be worth it. imho ;) Having said all that, aliens can blitz us on G25's or probably this wheel also! So more nm will not automatically make you faster obviously.
Personally, I'll never buy another TM product again. They basically lied to anyone who bought the T248 by telling them more was coming for the display on the wheel and things like that. Since then, they've been literally dead silent about any of it, and there's been little updates if ANY at all for the wheel. "Glad we got your $400, now fuck off..."
This is the best, honest review I've seen in the past week checking alot of T128, T248, G29/920, G923 reviews out there. Congrats for keeping it real, detailed, and for everyone, begginers, casuals and elites :) Keep it up!
Just ordered it today on Amazon for 129euros on BF sale. Haven't played a driving game since MW2 more then a decade ago, but I used to play all of them arcade driving back then.
Was having an ich for a wheel feeling, never used one, and this sale price actually made me order it since at that price, for me, it seems best budget wheel with 900 degrees rotation and okish FFB.
The reviewer on wheels bare none . Coming from controller to T128 feels awesome because you no no different which all reviewers fail to acknowledge because they have forgotten when they first started ,it passes me of ! Well done 👏
This is the only review that people need to watch for this wheel. Thank you for the excellent video and demonstrating it on 2 different games. I haven't used any high end racing wheels, but your thoughts seem similar to my impressions of the T128. If you want to drive with a wheel, but are on a tight budget, this will do the job, but you won't be beating many times set by high end equipment. For the price, it's a nice piece of kit honestly.
Great in depth review as usual. As you said, the product is ok if you're a new to simracing or on a budget. What's impressive though is the silence of the FF, that's a really good point for this wheel. Maybe a driver update will fix the differences in feeling between games.
The interior is quite well thought out and tightly build, very nice.
Man, can't wait for your review of the new T818 and Logitech G Pro! Sim Racing Garage is the real deal!
It seems to be satisfactory for those who will switch from xbox arm like me. It was an incredibly detailed review. Thank you.
Obrigado por seu testemunho e experimento desse novo volante T128.
Good to see thrustmaster finally refresh their old t150, t300 lineup (T248 replacing t300) :)
also, thanks for the xbox code Barry XD
This one is a bit too distant to match the T300, so it's closer to a replacement for the T150/TMX
@@Sithhy Yeah I was referring to the T248 when i said replacing the t300
@@awsomestleaperd78 Even the T248 will not replace the T300. It has no ability to switch out the steering wheel as well as it's too slow in rotational speed when compared to the T300 so you have "throw" the steering wheel yourself when you want to drift or do a quick reaction
@@Sithhy Honestly the replaceable steering wheel part is not important with thrustmaster. I doubt theres many people buying thrustmasters rims when they have a t300, they would upgrade the wheelbase first. However, the speed thing definitely seems of concern
@@awsomestleaperd78 What even? People that buy TM Base are ofcourse swapping their Rims out.
The king has returned
Hi Barry ,when are you tearing down the new Logitech GPro wheel ?It's meant to be a game changer
Especially the entry/cheap wheels you are coming at it from a Racing Car Simulator, where the rumble strips are important, feeling is winning, but many casual gamers or those JUST starting with FFB run driving games, not simulators. Not merely Forza, but three other options may well work differently and be a bigger draw for people buying those wheels, and not "needing" to get off their controller/keyboard. Euro Truck Simulator 2/American Truck simulator (same engine), Snow Runner and Farming Simulator 22. The first is on sale and merely the base game gets you most of the way there. It is all about feeling some feedback when you are losing direction or contact, if the FFB informs, then to an extent it is working. Snow Runner is slow and based on offroad, poor traction, and the FFB is about helping you find the grip that takes you up (or safely down) a slope. If FFB helps you find that route, it is working. Farm Sim 22 only recently got FFB abilities, and as a more recent release it is not cheap either. FFB is more about steering safely (you're mostly in a tractor on "farmland" or roads). FS22 also has a problem that you need a lot more buttons to press and FFB isn't a selling point for the game, using a tractor IS.
All those games are not so much racing simulators, not even racing GAMES (even silly gaming game types like Wipeout or whatever), but is a large market that might do with merely a cheaper option because the game isn't delivering the force feedback that makes a racing game so going a grand worth of direct drive kit is almost wasted compared to even rubber band systems for that type, but COULD lead to trying other, more racing, games because they found *a* difference using FFB on those, and other games reward better, but more expensive, alternatives, by needing more feed back to the person via their wheel whilst the games I suggested have a lower need and a lower reward (for example, you are not competing with other humans, so "better wheel" doesn't mean "win against someone trying to get ahead of you").
Which one should be preferred between Logitech G29 and Thrustmaster T128? Material quality and clutch will not affect my decision. What I'm curious about is FFB and steering feel. The T128 has a hybrid system, the G29 has a fully geared system, so I'm closer to the T128 but haven't decided yet.
Nice review Barry!
Nice video , helps me understand things about this hobby .
Too bad they didn't add at least a slight rubber grip/wrap like the t150/tmx has around the hand position areas. But yeah, obvious where they spent the money and where they cut the corners to hit the low price point target. But exactly for that target market, it really doesn't seem that bad.
I would assume that you need to take this apart and replace the belt tensioner bushing with bearings the same as the T150 and T300.
My t248 loses calibration during the race. How can I solve this problem ❓
Are you going to do one on the Logitech G Pro wheel?
Ask logitech if they 're going to send a wheel to barry
Ok so the wheel attachment point is the same thing as the T150 nice, I bought an adapter for the T150 and it might work out
So this one is around 200USD and the older Logitech G29 goes on sale for 200 bucks which is the better bet? The logitech is older design but still new.
The Logitech, because the rim and pedals are much better. It is noisier, but apart from that it’s better in every way.
the g29 pricing is weird, I bought it late January 2020 for around 170 bucks, It has better pedals and less vague but probably less smooth ffb
Подскажите пожалуйста где можно купить на thrustmaster t 500 центральную плату?
can you swap the wheel on it?
The wheel button circuit board and membrane look like an old GM key fob button 😂
Inside the Buttons looked like my old Nokia 3330
Great review as always, now I am eagerly waiting for the Logitech G Pro review!
Regarding the mounting options, when you took out the back panel, is it possible to add our own threaded inserts inside?
after all it is like 150 aud at most stores lol, shouldnt need too much weight transfer since its a budget wheel.
Any tips on how you got the wheel open? Looks like I removed all of the screws you've removed to open it up but still couldn't get it open. Thanks in advance!
Does these pedals work with t300 base?
make a pxn v10 disassembly too
Is it possible to buy the sensor seen at 38:41?
Great review by the way!
Hello there,
Thank you for the review !
Do the pedals use separate axes (one for throttle and one for brakes) or they use a single combined axis ? This is very important for sim racing. Thank you.
I have found it in the review, 46:15. The pedals use separate axes and this is great.
Can you replace the wheel on it for the thrustmaster f1 add on wheel?
I be seeing people talking about updating the T248. How do you update it on PS5?
Great job!
Hello! I heard T248's paddle shifters are very loud. Are T128's paddle shifters quieter than T248 ones?
Yes
Been using a T150 for years and am getting the itch to upgrade. Looks like I'll save some more and go DD.
The t300 is very good if you don't have the money for dd
Is it good for that price? What about feedback, is it good?
Will you be making a Logitech PRO wheel review any time soon?
How do the LEDs work? My LEDs won’t turn on.
I think it's only if the game supports it. My lights flash on start up so they obviously work but I'm playing Dirt 2.0 and WRC 9 and they don't do anything..
@@martynpope4078 I‘m playing them too! But also in Assetto Corsa and Project Cars 2 it does not work. I think, there’s a not right placed cable from the transport.🤷🏼♂️ or maybe it does just work with PC.
hi...
I need help with this Thrustmaster T128P PS5 steering wheel, I want to buy it for my nephew ,I think it will be difficult for him to change gears on the steering wheel.
Is it possible not to use the gears on the steering wheel? set it to be an automatic gear?
Thank you very much.
Yes he can play on automatic
Thank you@@brianedwards4891
Can you plug in a TH8A shifter on the back of the wheel?
Yes, you can also change out the pedals to any of the Thrustmaster offerings as well.
I want to buy a wheel but I don’t know which one is better if the t150 or the new t128
T128 is a better build and well thought out wheel it seems.
Some people are disappointed by the break and accelerator but even though it's small, it will last more compared to the older one.
Have you got hold of a Logitech G Pro yet?
I'm also wondering this. It seems Logitech isn't rushing to get any review units out, and that price might be keeping some reviewers from buying it for themselves
black week deal 130 usd here
does it work for a ps4/ps5?
Is this the T128X or T128P?
900 degrees?
Yes
Question. For those who use the DD wheel at 15Nm and up, are they trying to get the feeling of no power steering (or v minimal) in race car setting? If one is driving road cars like in AC, is there need to dial up the torque to beyond 5nM?
For road cars you don't need more than 3-5Nm
12 nm is enough
That's a great question. For ACC I use a 17nm wheel at 100% in drivers, only 35% in game, and I'm not sure if have something set wrong, but it still clips under certain circumstances, so a higher power wheel would be good. So I imagine that is running about 6nm in reality? It's a nice weight, giving good weight and detail. You could have heavier steering for fun, but I doubt most would run it much higher for actual racing. So there is a difference between the general weight you're feeling, and the headroom the wheel has for some situations like large weight transfer or sliding around etc. To answer your question, it depends on what you want to do. Do you want the most accurate feeling of a modern power steered car in AC? Then you don't need too strong a wheel. Or do you want to drive that same car in game, but because this is a sim and not real life, want a greater range of ffb power so you get better feeling of small details and no clipping etc to help you drive it faster? In that case something like 12-15 nm up would be worth it. imho ;) Having said all that, aliens can blitz us on G25's or probably this wheel also! So more nm will not automatically make you faster obviously.
It's just for fun and immersion. Also, 5Nm is nothing. I use 10Nm minimum unless I'm driving a road car.
An hour to review a wheel?
I'm still using a T150 with T3PA TG 2 pedals, and still beat peeps with better stuff....As for that new one....No Thanks...!"
Personally, I'll never buy another TM product again. They basically lied to anyone who bought the T248 by telling them more was coming for the display on the wheel and things like that. Since then, they've been literally dead silent about any of it, and there's been little updates if ANY at all for the wheel. "Glad we got your $400, now fuck off..."
Where did they ever promise to have Display Settings on the small Display? Cant remember anything about that
Not to mention the terrible thrustmaster QC
I do not like the wheel shape. Even though its base grade, it should still be styled half decent.
😸✌🏻
Its a top wheel 🎉