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I managed to get a credit Idris in Wave 1, and i wasnt even really trying. I melted a couple ships to get the credit together and just thought "what the hell, lets see what happens, if I dont get it I'll just get the other ships back once their manufacturers day rolls around." One crashed shopping cart later, I was staring at my screen dumbfounded, as the Idris was sitting in my hangar. I tried and failed 5 consecutive years until I managed to get a Kraken, and now I picked up an Idris first try. Didnt know wether to laugh or cry.
Wish you luck in your Kraken hunt Thanator! In particular the vanilla Kraken credit verison is the most difficult to get due to its price and more well-rounded less niche buildout.
@@RedJay thank you, I don't even know how I was able to still till today. Have fun with yours when we can finally look at it in full detail when it us released. Take care thank you for the video
I have two thoughts here: -Rich shadowy crime boss might have a prototype Kraken -Next Squadron game would be set further into future I don't think the presence of Kraken will be predicated on official launch for sale to public date, especially when the UEE Navy did not buy any so could be slid around a bit lore wise without a heavy lift.
The only reason I'm not melting some of my ships to get a Kraken or Idris is because once the game is in a better state and we are able to buy these in game, that's my goal to acquire one of these ships, preferably the Kraken. If I just get it outright, I kinda lose all the progression in the game for me.
I respect that Smoke, some players prefer to the journey to get to capital ships and earning them. And as Kreathyr mentioned, it will be a big UEC in-game money pickup and I'll add reputation gate to earn the right to buy one, but will say it will not be impossible for dedicated players. Best of luck in your Journey in the verse man.
@@FindtheShrooms I'm just going to say right from the start that this is my guess for how much these big capships would be at launch and therefore should be taken with a grain of salt. All the ships that we can buy in game right now are heavily discounted, they are not indicative of their final UEC price when/if the game hits 1.0. I also heard from inforunners that the price increase is not uniform for all ships but rather is larger depending on the ship size for example while the mustang alpha will probably remain at its current price or only slightly more expensive when/if we hit 1.0, the prospector might be 2x to 3x more expensive, the carrack might be 4x to 6x more expensive and the 890J might be 6x to 8x more expensive. With that said the current inggame aUEC pricing for the Idris and Kraken are not known but considering that they are both about 25% bigger than the 890 and also have far more capability than the 890. We can then draw parallels with the 600i and carrack because both ships are vaguely similar. the carrack has way more functionality than the 600i. The carrack is also around 25% larger than the 600i. The 600i is 9.5 million aUEC while the carrack is 26.7 million aUEC. if we apply that to the 890J in comparison to the Idris P then a speculative in game Idris P price for patch 3.21.1 would be 32 million aUEC(price of 890) multiplied by 2.8 = 121 million aUEC. Then when/if the game hits 1.0 we then multiply that by a speculative 6-8 times more for a price range of 729 million UEC - 968 million UEC. the Kraken of course would be more than that. Considering that CIG looks as if they want players who play optimally to earn around 500k aUEC per hour based on the different gameplay loops and the nerfs and buffs we've had through the years assuming one is willing to play 8 hours a day 365 days a year. Using this admittedly pure guesstimate of what the price for the Idris would be one would have to play somewhere in between 200 days to 250 days to earn one using a min maxed optimal gameplay loop for 8 hours a day.
So here is something you might of didn't know. If you buy a vehicle and melt it into you buy backs it's price is permanent. For example I have a Constellation Taurus in my buy backs right now. I bought it before it was released at $150. After it's released it sales at $190. I can still buy it back at the pre released price. Another tip on how I got my Javelin, Idris-P, Kraken, and Kraken Privateer is I typed in the name before they went on sale. Then refresh the page seconds before they went on sale. The search bar doesn't empty and the ship pops right into view. Saving time to buy. Another thing I did have the same question about price changes for the Idris after release and used my Concierge chat to ask them directly about it. They informed me after the released of the Idris for now they don't see a price change coming. That the Idris-M is staying at $1000 and the Idris-P is staying at $1300.
For ships in buyback at any point CIG could roll out the same change they did for CCUs and suddenly the safe value lock in is gone. In particular the risk is greatest for non-Warbond credit purchased then melted ships... but yes it is another holding tool to lock in the ship. I myself have a few capital ships in buyback as well to move pieces around. Yes this is all just possibilities but with such a large purchase consistency is really desirable. On the Idris-M price, there is no planet it would remain at its 1,000 USD value if it was offered in limited sale. It would cut at the knees Idris-P and K-Kit sales. Price points around the Krakens would be likely. Search tip on store is a good one!
@RedJay ya, I do predict that if the Idris-M goes on sale, it will be in an event, and it might be the same or higher price as the Idris-P. Like they did for the F8C Lightning Golden ticket event. Also, I predict that they will hand out custom skins for the original sold Idris-M owners.
@RedJay It would be the perfect way to hype the release of Squadron 42 (S42) release date. Think about it for a second. They gave us the F8C Lightning Golden Ticket Event just before announcing the development complete of S42. What other ships do we know of that are featured based in S42? The Bangel Carrier, Idris-M, and Javelin just to list a few. We know that the Bangels are going to be wrecked ship we have to repair to own. The Javelin is the same version that is up to buy, tho limited hulls. Which leaves the one ship that was sold at one point like the F8.
For the interior part, the idris is actually completed, hanger, main deck, argo hanger, even the medical bay is all completed (people can enter the ship via airlock and clip through in atmo/890). Only reason why the hanger/bridge is empty is not to spoil it too much. The javelin on the other hand is not really completed its like 40% completed as still needs to work on the hanger, bridge, lower part cargo, torp bay, and argo lift, etc.
My how time flies! I almost forgot I made that comment on Spectrum in regards to the size of the Kraken. Still looking forward to seeing those things in game!
Wild how things are relative in capital ships! Sourcing and discussion is long term spanning years be because info slowly comes out in hust gluts of info then nothing for sometimes over years. Absolutely looking forward to the Krakens reach game and hope sooner then later!
@@RedJay Agreed. In the concierge chat another dev was making comments about being excited for modularity to get into the game. They mentioned that once it becomes a thing they wanted to see if they could change up some other ships as well such as possibly swapping out the pool area of the 890 for a casino or something. Not that it is an assured thing but something they were contemplating. But otherwise yeah, info related to the capitals seems to just have to be pieced together over time.
I have long pushed for an 825a with a rack of PDS turrets banking reworked hangar doors (instead of a hangar its a defensive platform), uptiered turrets, and the whole interior turned into CIC and administrative military command areas. I can dream too haha. Others have suggested making it into a small hospital. Casino module for 890 much more likely though haha. @@Light-hawk
@@RedJay That 825a concept would be interesting but I think the Polaris is about as close as we will get to that. I could see a hospital variant though as Origin has that very sterile clean aesthetic. Regardless of what happens though the 890 definitely needs a rework at some point. Newer ships are showing lots of small minute details that the 890 lacks (light switches for example) making it show its age more and more each year.
Polaris has the light armor and "primary that S10 Torp chucker" problem. So it is more of a run and gunner on the battlefield swooping in and throwing a volley or two and exiting then coming back from another direction or chasing enemy who leave the field damaged then a stand on the field as a Combat Information Center ship. But yes I get it, 800 series will likely only be the "touring" module so to speak of the 890J which exists which is a shame. 890J was used in our Org and still is on occasion as a Cap ship trainer and the crew deck is a fantastic logistics and even combat deck, but yes in an aging platform and certainly will be quickly outdated without some love.@@Light-hawk
The big thing with the capital ships is that there should be a degree of marvel and mystique to having a real capship like a Kraken, Idris, or Javelin, and we need to have SC avoid the problem that EVE Online has, where the rarest ships in the galaxy, Titans, are trivial for anyone to own if you're just a dedicated grinder with access to the right area of space, you can get the money with just a few weeks of work. They should be obtainable, but frankly...there should be a limit. I just...don't know how to implement one that is fair, but also satisfactorily limits their number. I hope Idris hulls cost a huge amount ingame with UEC, just to limit them as much as possible, without putting a fixed number of them ingame.
In EVE another point to make with Supers, in particular Titans, was that you may own own logged off at a safe POS but to actually move it you needed a huge Alliance supporting it with a support fleet, eyes, spies, fueling support, POS deathstar network maintained (prior to dockable Supers)... it was not a simple feat for one person with an army of alts. In SC I think the multi-crew and fleet aspects will hard cap solo players and also the scale is bigger on these ships a Jav is a home for many players and NPCs (or at least one of a few homes for those players).
I picked up my Idris P on my phone last ILW. About five minutes before the sale I remembered the whole thing was happening. I waited a few minutes and refreshed the store page once. Sure enough both store credit and warbond options were there and available for purchase. I went with the warbond.
Warbond is still a good feat to pull off and no less on a phone. In later waves in most cases you have a couple minutes... and in warbond cases you can have even longer on last wave of event. Credit is a beast and especially early waves can dishearten everyone trying if they don't use the cart come back if fails method... but yes most events just being on ready will succeed. Glad it worked out for you Reclaimer at ILW!
somehow I think the idris-p and the kraken takes a lot more people to crew than even the javelin, due to the fighters and utility craft. I wonder how often people going to take out those big ships. I mean for javelin and kraken, you can do cargo trading, and javelin have 6 modules. kraken you also have the privateer. but for idris. 1000 scu of cargo is not too profitable. maybe exploration gameplay, which is a over kill. bounty hunting, which is also a over kill. I really dont think idris is all that practical to use in game, for something like the polaris, I think that is at a much better place for exploration, bounty hunting, it's much more practical to use
Idris Series shines at combat logistics. The Idris has a large ramp off the backdoors of the ship allowing for a large amount of vehicles to roll out into a fight and has the VTOL capabilities and Capital shields, armor, and brace of turrets/PDS/Missile Batteries to keep enemy heads down. For Offense it even has a S10 weapon platform to break enemy ships coming in or soften up fortifications (but of course needs to be tested, like for example a S10 Railgun likely one shots a Nova tank or Ballista but buildings are designed to not take damage by one as that would be overpowered etc etc.) Idris is a monster, as is Kraken is for combat logistics with flight ops.
@@RedJay I hope that idris's hanger works the same as C2 cargo bay, where it can also be used for cargo transport. that will bring so much more economic power to the idris. I actually have the armada pack in buy back(I think it is the cheapest pack that included an idris-p), Im very torn between getting my Idris back or keeping my kraken-p. I kind of judge all the ships based on its ability to make credit. (did a bunch of grinding in elite dangerous, Im skipping it this time, also the insurance for large ships are pretty high, that's why I think elite player want LTI). I bet a lot of player doesnt want the grind and does not want to pay tax for cap ships. I think when the rsi day comes. everyone and their mom will have a polaris. cant even imagine xenothreat after the polaris releases.
I checked idris-k actually have alot of pds, and the heavy armor does make idris a monster. it's probably like redeemer vs corsair. AHHH, now I have to make some tough decision. RED help me!!!!! kraken-p + polaris or idris-p + BMM, what would you choose to cover combat exploration and selling some of the retrieved good.
@@Shaundi1-l4e this is my other account (lol), yeah I know, Im planning to park it near a planet side astroid field with some nautilus mine surrounding it. the recent F8C lighting golden ticket event do make me kind of scared though. also the amount of polaris that had been sold out. Im pretty sure the F8C lighting gold ticket is a testing bed for the nav beacon of the privateer shop. did you see the pad ramming. that was insane. on the other hand the BMM does not use nav beacon and it have no pads. with make it a little safer to run I guess. then I looked at difference between the internals, realize idris is more a mission driven ship. kraken-p is way more civilian. yeah, I probably go with kraken-p. I just get so excited when people talking about big ships and theory crafting, also the big IAE sell. LOL
Yes. But you can pre-buy 24 hours or more before then melt... that being said credit verisons are much harder to get in particular the regular Kraken and cost more then warbond verison of each.
so glad I got the Kraken, tried to get Idris - no luck in all 3 waves, then wrote a script to automate purchasing, and after few mods of script managed to sneak a Kraken at last wave
Congrats on the fleet, honestly I have only ever had trouble on credit verison of the standard Kraken, Javelin, and Idris-P with the usual get it in cart in first wave and try to buy but actually finish up to succeed in subsequent Waves. Only tool I recommend is using a World Clock website to gurantee you get the right second to start reloading page with F5 and that does the job. Warbonds always are available, and Kraken Privateer credits are easy in subsequent waves too. Idris this particular event had incredible pressure (and Jav as well to a lesser extent) on their credit verisons due to Squadron 42 demand and, in my opinion, the widespread rumor that there will be a price hike with SQ42/Idris Flyable (which has not ever been suggested by CIG... but I get the rumor).
I did not pick one up this go around, and held a WB variant in my cart for testing between Waves 2 and 3. Even though I did not tie up the ship (the shopping cart check is where the "hold" on the ship is confirmed and sold out comes from ... i.e. when enough actual fully done purchases happen I did not want to even seem like I was impacting the credit buyers. I have a Idris-P and K kit from a few years back... also another one in buyback.
Hey i was able to get a steam deck in the first wave lmao..you think getting a idris was hard both me and my cousin tried to buy a SD at the same time in the same house on the same Internet i was able to get thru and get in first wave and he got thru and paid maybe 15 sec after me and he was in wave 3.. the Internet is a finicky thing when thousands and thousands of people are all trying to buy the same thing at the exact same time it's really just RNG in my opinion.. u either crap out or HIT DICE!!
The kraken is my absolute favorite ship in the game.. im bout dat space carrier sht.. theh probably will go up when they are flyable but its not going to be by multiple hundreds of dollars or anything. .they are already well ober a thousand dollars and the javelin is what 3 grand lol
Kraken is a bit more and Jav slightly less haha. All about priorities and what folks are willing to spend on hobby. I try my best to meet needs of new, returning, and ongoing players of all fleet sizes. When talking credit most players melt whole fleets and consolidate into one cap ship years of ship purchases for what its worth.
That's not fair. Its a problem. Sure, it avoids the issue that EVE Online has with over 10,000 titans in the game spread out among 100+ or so major alliances, to the point where even a 50 man corp has one of these "rare" ultraships, but...this is the wrong way to do it. Sad part is, I don't have a better way.
i had to melt 12 ships that took me 2 years to collect CCUs to be best value as i got $1300 dollars returned to credit but in value it was if i add it up right 2700 in lost upgrade value but for me i had been thinking to start a corp so i will need the big toys if i do and of the 12 ships i lost many were duplicate or unused. who needs to wait or expedite insurance if you have 2 or 3 of same ship hahaha had like 3 eclipse but this year im also picking up a second endeavor its just to good of a ship to own only 1 as i think i want to run science task in 1 ship while running hospital in other. this is my real first melt but hope i didnt melt it only to fail at getting the monster i intend to get unfortunately for me the loaner ships are already in my line up
Best of luck with your Org planning! When we get around MISC day or just beyond it... be sure to stop back on this channel... Don't want to spoil the surprise haha. Limiting eclipses and moving into other ships in same price point that are bigger ships is very wise, even if just buy a CCU and hold not apply and don't melt it so enjoy smaller ships now later use the big released ships.
The CO Pioneer wont be out for years. Not even on ship building schedule and CIG has to 1st build out base building 1st which will only start January 2024
Pledges are supposed to be about supporting the game, thats the excuse they use to price ships at ridiculous prices. Its seen as if people want to support more with more money we'll give them bigger stuff in return. Yet by making them time and quantity limited its clear theyre treating them as regular sales items. Its not about pledging anymore, they actually pricing these digital items that high to sell them. Artifically creating a demand to create more sales. Its scummy. And why ships are the most bitter sweet thing about the game. I hope all of you who buy these high costing ships have the game ultimately ruined for yourselves on release.
I agree there should not be F5 Wars anymore, there is no need as these ships are not all powerful as originally seen and only so many backers can justify the purchase anyway. It would be better to just move capital ships into sale rotation. Disagree on the point that game is ruined for you upon having a cap ship, I spent many hours in EVE pulling everything from carriers/dreads around all the way up through Titans for bridge work and if anything I felt at home in them and the game started for me with cap ships of that makes sense. Sure, not everyone has that opinion and of course could choose to not buy them. Great discussion points Mark!
I pledged to both support this game and give my organization a bright future with buying the kraken. Why would you hope for me to get my game ruined for this?
A lot. I have a few myself and have heard many backers mention casually they have a cap or more... in buyback. When you have enough credit its just fun to do. @@the_steamtrain1642
That is the part I see it as - if you have the hobby money where this is not impacting your life it is a once in a lifetime pickup like a fancy set of golf clubs. Can you go golfing without fancy clubs? Sure! I use a mix of a garge sale set that fit me great and a clearence bag and some wedges... but I get those who want to invest in their hobby to be happy. With ships though especially of this size (ignoring price) I encourage backers to talk with Orgmates and friends in same timezone they often fly with to figure out what they really need and not end up with 7 Idris or Polaris and no support ships or industrial backbone etc.
@RedJay I mean not even just because of the price. Which is also expensive when we can just get in game but because they are sold out within seconds which forces me to believe that they're being bought out with bots and sold on 3rd party cites. I'd much rather buy ships like the hull e, crucible, etc. Then use the profits from those ships to buy and Idris, javelin or any other ship that are almost impossible to get your hands on.
@@wcagee101 I agree with you on the bots part. Althought some people (like me) planned this ahead for a long time and were really invested into buying this ship. I was one of the lucky few that were able to get their hands on the credited version. Warbond stayed on for more than 20 minutes. I will never sell it or exchange it because this is what I want for my organization in the future.
60 seconds???? You wish! I was in final payment screen in 3 seconds and it was gone. All 3 waves it was sold out in like 3 seconds. Where did you get the 60 seconds from?? I had it in my cart for wave 2 and 3. Was done with everything in 2 or 3 seconds, still it was sold out!
Congrats on the pickup Dream! You can see in the clip I had a view of Wave 2 from the Add Ons section showing stock indications. Sorry to hear it did not work out Malbino, ILW is next opportunity.
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I managed to get a credit Idris in Wave 1, and i wasnt even really trying.
I melted a couple ships to get the credit together and just thought "what the hell, lets see what happens, if I dont get it I'll just get the other ships back once their manufacturers day rolls around."
One crashed shopping cart later, I was staring at my screen dumbfounded, as the Idris was sitting in my hangar.
I tried and failed 5 consecutive years until I managed to get a Kraken, and now I picked up an Idris first try.
Didnt know wether to laugh or cry.
Same last years IAE I tried first time and it went throu on a kraken on my cellphone 😄.. now I can't wait for it to be released
Wish you luck in your Kraken hunt Thanator! In particular the vanilla Kraken credit verison is the most difficult to get due to its price and more well-rounded less niche buildout.
Danny seeing cellphone stories like that drives many crazy but congrats to you! Kraken will be an amazing ship, same waiting game here!
@@RedJay thank you, I don't even know how I was able to still till today. Have fun with yours when we can finally look at it in full detail when it us released. Take care thank you for the video
@@RedJay Oh I thank you but I actually succeeded last year. Just took 5 years to finally get it xD
Squadron 42 takes place in 2945. The Kraken was debuted by Drake in 2948. It can't feature in Squadron 42.
I have two thoughts here:
-Rich shadowy crime boss might have a prototype Kraken
-Next Squadron game would be set further into future
I don't think the presence of Kraken will be predicated on official launch for sale to public date, especially when the UEE Navy did not buy any so could be slid around a bit lore wise without a heavy lift.
The only reason I'm not melting some of my ships to get a Kraken or Idris is because once the game is in a better state and we are able to buy these in game, that's my goal to acquire one of these ships, preferably the Kraken. If I just get it outright, I kinda lose all the progression in the game for me.
I doubt that you will ever be able to get one of these via ingame money.
I respect that Smoke, some players prefer to the journey to get to capital ships and earning them. And as Kreathyr mentioned, it will be a big UEC in-game money pickup and I'll add reputation gate to earn the right to buy one, but will say it will not be impossible for dedicated players. Best of luck in your Journey in the verse man.
@@kreathyr8270 why?
@@FindtheShrooms I'm just going to say right from the start that this is my guess for how much these big capships would be at launch and therefore should be taken with a grain of salt. All the ships that we can buy in game right now are heavily discounted, they are not indicative of their final UEC price when/if the game hits 1.0. I also heard from inforunners that the price increase is not uniform for all ships but rather is larger depending on the ship size for example while the mustang alpha will probably remain at its current price or only slightly more expensive when/if we hit 1.0, the prospector might be 2x to 3x more expensive, the carrack might be 4x to 6x more expensive and the 890J might be 6x to 8x more expensive. With that said the current inggame aUEC pricing for the Idris and Kraken are not known but considering that they are both about 25% bigger than the 890 and also have far more capability than the 890. We can then draw parallels with the 600i and carrack because both ships are vaguely similar. the carrack has way more functionality than the 600i. The carrack is also around 25% larger than the 600i. The 600i is 9.5 million aUEC while the carrack is 26.7 million aUEC. if we apply that to the 890J in comparison to the Idris P then a speculative in game Idris P price for patch 3.21.1 would be 32 million aUEC(price of 890) multiplied by 2.8 = 121 million aUEC. Then when/if the game hits 1.0 we then multiply that by a speculative 6-8 times more for a price range of 729 million UEC - 968 million UEC. the Kraken of course would be more than that. Considering that CIG looks as if they want players who play optimally to earn around 500k aUEC per hour based on the different gameplay loops and the nerfs and buffs we've had through the years assuming one is willing to play 8 hours a day 365 days a year. Using this admittedly pure guesstimate of what the price for the Idris would be one would have to play somewhere in between 200 days to 250 days to earn one using a min maxed optimal gameplay loop for 8 hours a day.
So here is something you might of didn't know. If you buy a vehicle and melt it into you buy backs it's price is permanent. For example I have a Constellation Taurus in my buy backs right now. I bought it before it was released at $150. After it's released it sales at $190. I can still buy it back at the pre released price. Another tip on how I got my Javelin, Idris-P, Kraken, and Kraken Privateer is I typed in the name before they went on sale. Then refresh the page seconds before they went on sale. The search bar doesn't empty and the ship pops right into view. Saving time to buy. Another thing I did have the same question about price changes for the Idris after release and used my Concierge chat to ask them directly about it. They informed me after the released of the Idris for now they don't see a price change coming. That the Idris-M is staying at $1000 and the Idris-P is staying at $1300.
For ships in buyback at any point CIG could roll out the same change they did for CCUs and suddenly the safe value lock in is gone. In particular the risk is greatest for non-Warbond credit purchased then melted ships... but yes it is another holding tool to lock in the ship. I myself have a few capital ships in buyback as well to move pieces around. Yes this is all just possibilities but with such a large purchase consistency is really desirable. On the Idris-M price, there is no planet it would remain at its 1,000 USD value if it was offered in limited sale. It would cut at the knees Idris-P and K-Kit sales. Price points around the Krakens would be likely. Search tip on store is a good one!
@RedJay ya, I do predict that if the Idris-M goes on sale, it will be in an event, and it might be the same or higher price as the Idris-P. Like they did for the F8C Lightning Golden ticket event. Also, I predict that they will hand out custom skins for the original sold Idris-M owners.
Much like with Concerige F8C owners at both levels getting exclusive paint/variant for internal paint cockpit to keep them happy. @@redraptor418
@RedJay It would be the perfect way to hype the release of Squadron 42 (S42) release date. Think about it for a second. They gave us the F8C Lightning Golden Ticket Event just before announcing the development complete of S42. What other ships do we know of that are featured based in S42? The Bangel Carrier, Idris-M, and Javelin just to list a few. We know that the Bangels are going to be wrecked ship we have to repair to own. The Javelin is the same version that is up to buy, tho limited hulls. Which leaves the one ship that was sold at one point like the F8.
For the interior part, the idris is actually completed, hanger, main deck, argo hanger, even the medical bay is all completed (people can enter the ship via airlock and clip through in atmo/890). Only reason why the hanger/bridge is empty is not to spoil it too much. The javelin on the other hand is not really completed its like 40% completed as still needs to work on the hanger, bridge, lower part cargo, torp bay, and argo lift, etc.
Idris lives and dies by its primary hangar. I look forward to seeing the Idris series in all their glory patrolling the Systems of Stanton and Pyro.
My how time flies! I almost forgot I made that comment on Spectrum in regards to the size of the Kraken. Still looking forward to seeing those things in game!
Wild how things are relative in capital ships! Sourcing and discussion is long term spanning years be because info slowly comes out in hust gluts of info then nothing for sometimes over years. Absolutely looking forward to the Krakens reach game and hope sooner then later!
@@RedJay Agreed. In the concierge chat another dev was making comments about being excited for modularity to get into the game. They mentioned that once it becomes a thing they wanted to see if they could change up some other ships as well such as possibly swapping out the pool area of the 890 for a casino or something. Not that it is an assured thing but something they were contemplating. But otherwise yeah, info related to the capitals seems to just have to be pieced together over time.
I have long pushed for an 825a with a rack of PDS turrets banking reworked hangar doors (instead of a hangar its a defensive platform), uptiered turrets, and the whole interior turned into CIC and administrative military command areas. I can dream too haha. Others have suggested making it into a small hospital. Casino module for 890 much more likely though haha. @@Light-hawk
@@RedJay That 825a concept would be interesting but I think the Polaris is about as close as we will get to that. I could see a hospital variant though as Origin has that very sterile clean aesthetic. Regardless of what happens though the 890 definitely needs a rework at some point. Newer ships are showing lots of small minute details that the 890 lacks (light switches for example) making it show its age more and more each year.
Polaris has the light armor and "primary that S10 Torp chucker" problem. So it is more of a run and gunner on the battlefield swooping in and throwing a volley or two and exiting then coming back from another direction or chasing enemy who leave the field damaged then a stand on the field as a Combat Information Center ship. But yes I get it, 800 series will likely only be the "touring" module so to speak of the 890J which exists which is a shame. 890J was used in our Org and still is on occasion as a Cap ship trainer and the crew deck is a fantastic logistics and even combat deck, but yes in an aging platform and certainly will be quickly outdated without some love.@@Light-hawk
The big thing with the capital ships is that there should be a degree of marvel and mystique to having a real capship like a Kraken, Idris, or Javelin, and we need to have SC avoid the problem that EVE Online has, where the rarest ships in the galaxy, Titans, are trivial for anyone to own if you're just a dedicated grinder with access to the right area of space, you can get the money with just a few weeks of work. They should be obtainable, but frankly...there should be a limit. I just...don't know how to implement one that is fair, but also satisfactorily limits their number. I hope Idris hulls cost a huge amount ingame with UEC, just to limit them as much as possible, without putting a fixed number of them ingame.
In EVE another point to make with Supers, in particular Titans, was that you may own own logged off at a safe POS but to actually move it you needed a huge Alliance supporting it with a support fleet, eyes, spies, fueling support, POS deathstar network maintained (prior to dockable Supers)... it was not a simple feat for one person with an army of alts. In SC I think the multi-crew and fleet aspects will hard cap solo players and also the scale is bigger on these ships a Jav is a home for many players and NPCs (or at least one of a few homes for those players).
Yea got my Idris-K this IAE, if it goes up in price then I will be glad I dodged it.
No idication of a price hike, but who knows with 2024. Congrats on your Fleet Jay.
I picked up my Idris P on my phone last ILW. About five minutes before the sale I remembered the whole thing was happening. I waited a few minutes and refreshed the store page once. Sure enough both store credit and warbond options were there and available for purchase. I went with the warbond.
Warbond is still a good feat to pull off and no less on a phone. In later waves in most cases you have a couple minutes... and in warbond cases you can have even longer on last wave of event. Credit is a beast and especially early waves can dishearten everyone trying if they don't use the cart come back if fails method... but yes most events just being on ready will succeed. Glad it worked out for you Reclaimer at ILW!
So will Sq42 part 1 2 and 3 not release at the same time?
Yes Squadron 42 story has been split into 3 parts essentially different games.
somehow I think the idris-p and the kraken takes a lot more people to crew than even the javelin, due to the fighters and utility craft. I wonder how often people going to take out those big ships. I mean for javelin and kraken, you can do cargo trading, and javelin have 6 modules. kraken you also have the privateer.
but for idris. 1000 scu of cargo is not too profitable. maybe exploration gameplay, which is a over kill. bounty hunting, which is also a over kill. I really dont think idris is all that practical to use in game,
for something like the polaris, I think that is at a much better place for exploration, bounty hunting, it's much more practical to use
Idris Series shines at combat logistics. The Idris has a large ramp off the backdoors of the ship allowing for a large amount of vehicles to roll out into a fight and has the VTOL capabilities and Capital shields, armor, and brace of turrets/PDS/Missile Batteries to keep enemy heads down. For Offense it even has a S10 weapon platform to break enemy ships coming in or soften up fortifications (but of course needs to be tested, like for example a S10 Railgun likely one shots a Nova tank or Ballista but buildings are designed to not take damage by one as that would be overpowered etc etc.) Idris is a monster, as is Kraken is for combat logistics with flight ops.
@@RedJay I hope that idris's hanger works the same as C2 cargo bay, where it can also be used for cargo transport. that will bring so much more economic power to the idris. I actually have the armada pack in buy back(I think it is the cheapest pack that included an idris-p), Im very torn between getting my Idris back or keeping my kraken-p. I kind of judge all the ships based on its ability to make credit. (did a bunch of grinding in elite dangerous, Im skipping it this time, also the insurance for large ships are pretty high, that's why I think elite player want LTI).
I bet a lot of player doesnt want the grind and does not want to pay tax for cap ships. I think when the rsi day comes. everyone and their mom will have a polaris. cant even imagine xenothreat after the polaris releases.
I checked idris-k actually have alot of pds, and the heavy armor does make idris a monster. it's probably like redeemer vs corsair. AHHH, now I have to make some tough decision. RED help me!!!!! kraken-p + polaris or idris-p + BMM, what would you choose to cover combat exploration and selling some of the retrieved good.
you still need security escort for your kraken if you wanna do cargo. dont expect doing solo kraken
@@Shaundi1-l4e this is my other account (lol), yeah I know, Im planning to park it near a planet side astroid field with some nautilus mine surrounding it. the recent F8C lighting golden ticket event do make me kind of scared though. also the amount of polaris that had been sold out.
Im pretty sure the F8C lighting gold ticket is a testing bed for the nav beacon of the privateer shop. did you see the pad ramming. that was insane. on the other hand the BMM does not use nav beacon and it have no pads. with make it a little safer to run I guess.
then I looked at difference between the internals, realize idris is more a mission driven ship. kraken-p is way more civilian. yeah, I probably go with kraken-p.
I just get so excited when people talking about big ships and theory crafting, also the big IAE sell. LOL
Do you have to be concierge to buy kraken ?
Yes. But you can pre-buy 24 hours or more before then melt... that being said credit verisons are much harder to get in particular the regular Kraken and cost more then warbond verison of each.
so glad I got the Kraken, tried to get Idris - no luck in all 3 waves, then wrote a script to automate purchasing, and after few mods of script managed to sneak a Kraken at last wave
Congrats on the fleet, honestly I have only ever had trouble on credit verison of the standard Kraken, Javelin, and Idris-P with the usual get it in cart in first wave and try to buy but actually finish up to succeed in subsequent Waves. Only tool I recommend is using a World Clock website to gurantee you get the right second to start reloading page with F5 and that does the job. Warbonds always are available, and Kraken Privateer credits are easy in subsequent waves too.
Idris this particular event had incredible pressure (and Jav as well to a lesser extent) on their credit verisons due to Squadron 42 demand and, in my opinion, the widespread rumor that there will be a price hike with SQ42/Idris Flyable (which has not ever been suggested by CIG... but I get the rumor).
RedJay were you able to buy the Idris P?
I did not pick one up this go around, and held a WB variant in my cart for testing between Waves 2 and 3. Even though I did not tie up the ship (the shopping cart check is where the "hold" on the ship is confirmed and sold out comes from ... i.e. when enough actual fully done purchases happen I did not want to even seem like I was impacting the credit buyers. I have a Idris-P and K kit from a few years back... also another one in buyback.
Hey i was able to get a steam deck in the first wave lmao..you think getting a idris was hard both me and my cousin tried to buy a SD at the same time in the same house on the same Internet i was able to get thru and get in first wave and he got thru and paid maybe 15 sec after me and he was in wave 3.. the Internet is a finicky thing when thousands and thousands of people are all trying to buy the same thing at the exact same time it's really just RNG in my opinion.. u either crap out or HIT DICE!!
Fair enough haha!
The kraken is my absolute favorite ship in the game.. im bout dat space carrier sht.. theh probably will go up when they are flyable but its not going to be by multiple hundreds of dollars or anything. .they are already well ober a thousand dollars and the javelin is what 3 grand lol
Kraken is a bit more and Jav slightly less haha. All about priorities and what folks are willing to spend on hobby. I try my best to meet needs of new, returning, and ongoing players of all fleet sizes. When talking credit most players melt whole fleets and consolidate into one cap ship years of ship
purchases for what its worth.
I grabbed 1 and i had to move fast. As i told my friend when i missed it in the first wave. "I didn't click fast enough"
Was particularly snappy this year the site. Carting one is more then half the battle with how the site is acting in these events this year...
That's not fair. Its a problem. Sure, it avoids the issue that EVE Online has with over 10,000 titans in the game spread out among 100+ or so major alliances, to the point where even a 50 man corp has one of these "rare" ultraships, but...this is the wrong way to do it. Sad part is, I don't have a better way.
i had to melt 12 ships that took me 2 years to collect CCUs to be best value as i got $1300 dollars returned to credit but in value it was if i add it up right 2700 in lost upgrade value but for me i had been thinking to start a corp so i will need the big toys if i do and of the 12 ships i lost many were duplicate or unused. who needs to wait or expedite insurance if you have 2 or 3 of same ship hahaha had like 3 eclipse but this year im also picking up a second endeavor its just to good of a ship to own only 1 as i think i want to run science task in 1 ship while running hospital in other. this is my real first melt but hope i didnt melt it only to fail at getting the monster i intend to get unfortunately for me the loaner ships are already in my line up
Best of luck with your Org planning! When we get around MISC day or just beyond it... be sure to stop back on this channel... Don't want to spoil the surprise haha. Limiting eclipses and moving into other ships in same price point that are bigger ships is very wise, even if just buy a CCU and hold not apply and don't melt it so enjoy smaller ships now later use the big released ships.
The CO Pioneer wont be out for years. Not even on ship building schedule and CIG has to 1st build out base building 1st which will only start January 2024
Loaner will be Galaxy with the construction module, the second best builder and next big ship after Polaris slated to be flyable.
Pledges are supposed to be about supporting the game, thats the excuse they use to price ships at ridiculous prices. Its seen as if people want to support more with more money we'll give them bigger stuff in return. Yet by making them time and quantity limited its clear theyre treating them as regular sales items. Its not about pledging anymore, they actually pricing these digital items that high to sell them. Artifically creating a demand to create more sales. Its scummy. And why ships are the most bitter sweet thing about the game. I hope all of you who buy these high costing ships have the game ultimately ruined for yourselves on release.
I agree there should not be F5 Wars anymore, there is no need as these ships are not all powerful as originally seen and only so many backers can justify the purchase anyway. It would be better to just move capital ships into sale rotation. Disagree on the point that game is ruined for you upon having a cap ship, I spent many hours in EVE pulling everything from carriers/dreads around all the way up through Titans for bridge work and if anything I felt at home in them and the game started for me with cap ships of that makes sense. Sure, not everyone has that opinion and of course could choose to not buy them. Great discussion points Mark!
I pledged to both support this game and give my organization a bright future with buying the kraken. Why would you hope for me to get my game ruined for this?
honestly I do wonder how many of these limited ships are now just buybacks
A lot. I have a few myself and have heard many backers mention casually they have a cap or more... in buyback. When you have enough credit its just fun to do. @@the_steamtrain1642
Buying those ships arent worth buying with cash.
Neither is buying beer or cigarettes yet people spend tens of thousands 🤔
@@danny1988221Its as if people buy things they enjoy, crazy right.
That is the part I see it as - if you have the hobby money where this is not impacting your life it is a once in a lifetime pickup like a fancy set of golf clubs. Can you go golfing without fancy clubs? Sure! I use a mix of a garge sale set that fit me great and a clearence bag and some wedges... but I get those who want to invest in their hobby to be happy. With ships though especially of this size (ignoring price) I encourage backers to talk with Orgmates and friends in same timezone they often fly with to figure out what they really need and not end up with 7 Idris or Polaris and no support ships or industrial backbone etc.
@RedJay I mean not even just because of the price. Which is also expensive when we can just get in game but because they are sold out within seconds which forces me to believe that they're being bought out with bots and sold on 3rd party cites. I'd much rather buy ships like the hull e, crucible, etc. Then use the profits from those ships to buy and Idris, javelin or any other ship that are almost impossible to get your hands on.
@@wcagee101 I agree with you on the bots part. Althought some people (like me) planned this ahead for a long time and were really invested into buying this ship. I was one of the lucky few that were able to get their hands on the credited version. Warbond stayed on for more than 20 minutes. I will never sell it or exchange it because this is what I want for my organization in the future.
I hate fomo and their store
So say we all.
@@RedJay *SO SAY WE ALL!*
60 seconds???? You wish! I was in final payment screen in 3 seconds and it was gone. All 3 waves it was sold out in like 3 seconds. Where did you get the 60 seconds from?? I had it in my cart for wave 2 and 3. Was done with everything in 2 or 3 seconds, still it was sold out!
Got mine with credits in 4 seconds, funny enough my hand was shaking after that...
Congrats on the pickup Dream! You can see in the clip I had a view of Wave 2 from the Add Ons section showing stock indications. Sorry to hear it did not work out Malbino, ILW is next opportunity.
Sounds like network latency.