British Rail-Carlisle Summer 1993
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- A vid from 1993 now showing an August Saturday lunchtime at Carlisle. A couple of railtours feature on this one with a pair of 26s & 31s and a 47. Also seen is a good mix of traction 08, 26, 31, 37, 47, 86/2, 86/6, 87 and HST on passenger, freight & light engine moves. All in all a good days filming! If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
Wonderful thanks Soi. Back when passengers travelled in comfort and CrossCountry ran practically everywhere.
Comfy seats cost money and the DFT don't like spending on that, cram them in is the way ahead, tube train style! As for Cross-Country, because of the Voyager Train farce that Virgin introduced, they only concentrate on the big busy flows and cut the 'too hard to run' bits! They could have kept more HST, lovely trains and loved by the travelling public but Branson binned them for his sexy new voyagers.
Soi Buakhao The Voyagers are rancid, stink of foul lavatories, mind you that’s all the and Pendolinos are! Nasty horrible things.
Soi Buakhao I’m sorry but I’m slightly gonna have to disagree here.
The HSTs night have been revolutionary in their time but they’re 40 years old now. I love a slammer and sticking my head out the droplight as much as the next gricer, but I’d suggest most normals would prefer such revolutionary things as powered doors. I’d also suggest that flushing waste into the track isn’t that well liked- the RMT certainly don’t like it. And as Scotrail/Watbech are finding out, bringing them into the 1990s is costing rather a lot in terms of time and money.
As for the voyagers, yes they’re too short. But the simple fact is that their performance profile leaves an HST for dead- acceleration and braking is so much superior that an HST simply cant keep to a Voyagers timings, which is why you can’t just simply take a load of them and use them on the XC network, especially the already-crowded ‘core’ between York and New St. Which neatly brings me to...
One of the favourite bugbears of the enthusiast is why XC services don’t serve the WCML north of Stafford anymore. Unfortunately, the WCML timetable has drastically changed since the timeframe of this video. Bach then, the off peak was something like 2tph to Brum (one terminating at International, the other running through to Wolves), 1tph Manchester (all via Stoke) 1tph Liverpool, 1tph Carlisle with an irregular service north thereof, and an irregular Chester/N Wales service. None running faster than 110mph, so you could easily slot in a few 90mph XC services. Compare it to now- 1tph to each of Liverpool, Chester and Glasgow, 3tph each to Manchester and Brum (one of the latter going to Scotland) and all times for dedicated 125 mph stock. And then factor in the much better service between Manchester and Glasgow/Edinburgh than ever ran under BR. Fitting a plodding XC service is amongst that is a non starter, and that’s going to stay the case until HS2 is built and takes the majority of the Manchester/Birmingham traffic off the classic WCML.
So yes, as a regular user of the WCML I’m quite happy with the WCML timetable as it is, thanks v much. Now where’s my tin hat....
Mate, i'm an ex loco driver so i really can't be bothered to get in to a long 'mess room' style debate! The main point is why has all new stock over the last 30 years been built too short? A voyager that was at least as long as an HST will do just fine, i ride on them into Euston from time to time, a 3 hour+ journey from where i live. They're ok but for busy runs way too short as a 5 car. The railway overall needs long trains, not short ones. I go to Derby from Crewe, a bloody 1 car tin rocket. The thing gets massively wedged at lot of the time, it's a joke. The HSTs were built by proper engineers along with input from the people who were actually going to operate the trains which is why they've last the test of time. But there's no actual experts in any railway field in the DFT which is why IEPs are another joke, 5 car units. When coupled together it's still 2 trains with connection between the two! Ian Warmsley (writes for Modern Railways) had it right when he said what was needed was loco hauled sets with a driving cab at each end and an auto coupler and stick a sparky loco one end and detached it at the end of the juice while a diesel is attaching at the other. Then you get a nice quiet coach with through communication from one end of the train to the other. But when did common sense ever work on the railways?
Soi Buakhao I totally agree Soi.
Also the ‘08’ reminded me of doing shunting paper trains at London Victoria, my word you wouldn’t to be doing the speed he was over points etc, as would bounce you out the cab LOL!😂😂🤓
Bloody uncomforatable things. When i worked on BR/EWS we used 09's to wire up the Heathrow Express, 9 hours on one of these was a pain. Then the long trundel back to Southall where the stock was replenished each day!
Depends how good the Pway gang are lol. Not the best ride quality in the 08.
My dad took me a few times , when he was on early mornings, few times I had a cab ride over the Central Wales line with him, . 0200 out of bed, 0400 depart Shrewsbury. Not many things got a lazy teen out of bed at that time. But a Cab ride with me Dad,,, I was up before him lol. 👍😎 Thanks for refreshing my memories.
Great vid and variety Soi. Love the fact you even filmed the Gronk. How we were spoilt back then.
These new trains have no Soul or Class.
I remember my dad losing two engines on a Swindon 4 car,, but we still made it home. Try that with a modern train. 👍😎
Oh yes, the old stock you could nurse along a bit and perhaps get out of trouble. But with new stock you have too much "computer says no!".... lol And i always loved to get Gronks on film, a nice real, link with the days of steam style traffic & workings...... There's a few other vids with Gronks in, one at Scunthorpe with 3 working at once in the yard behind the station......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbusthanks, will look
Thanks, Computers everywhere today.
Will look out for the Scunthorpe vid 👍😀
Lovely sounds from the 86 and the HST departing. (Interesting that of them all, the 37s are the ones that can most likely be seen there still today. And 47s, of course.)
fortunately those Pilkington liveried coaches were a passing fad.
I have the coaches on film on other tours, you certainly didn't miss them from a distance! Not sure why the steam locos were stabled there, on their way back to Carnforth perhaps?
Very good video. Carlisle is always a good place to visit. Great to see an 87 with a rake of mk 3's. Pendolino's may be faster, but I know which I prefer.
Same here.....I'm not sure what it's like today but i hope to visit again soon.....
It's fairly quiet compared to the late 90's.
Love that take off! of the HST at the start, could you imagine all the ‘purists’ of days allowing that LOL! also bit unusual that had buffer beams at one end, also what’s so amazing of the time is the amount of different liveries/ logos brilliant if your looking to model these periods, where was the unusual double header & rolling stock off to? amazing amount of other people there recoding also.🤓
The HST was one of those had been converted to work with class 91s. When the wires went live to Leeds they had 91's but no MkIV coaches+DVT's, so they converted some HST power cars to work with the 91's on rakes of MkIII's. The HST had to run at idel to work the electrics on the MkIII's as they weren't compatable to the 91's. The power cars were still able to run indepenantly (i was on a 91+HST set that ran over a bike and was disabled to a large degree, we ran at caution to Retford where the power car took the train into an unwired tamper siding) and when the MkIV sets arrived went back to working as normal HST's but they left the buffer gear there. Some are still at work on the MML, the ex Grand Central sets. The double headed train was a Pathfinder Tours special as was the 47 hauled IC set.
That must be Blue Peter in the loco sidings. And looks like a Princess Royal; that would be either Princess Elizabeth or Princess Margaret Rose.
great video as allways.
Thanks! More to come.
Exellent😊
Bit of digging and found this to be the 14th August '93 - just the one railtour here "The Waverley Wizard" (1Z39 06:30 Shrewsbury - Edinburgh/rtn) 26001 & 007 ran the Scottish leg of the tour. Fantastic footage, love old stuff!
Thank you. I have more footage from this day, the railtour that arrived with the pair of 31's had a trip with the gronk and left behind three class 20s! I'm not sure what the 47 & coaches was, ECS or a 'normal' day out trip?
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Sorry missed those ones mate! 47809 was on a 'Settle and Carlisle Thunderer' tour, and the 08 + 20s was the 'Triple Chopper Tripper' (Bristol - Carlisle/rtn) fantastic day there, I'd kill for variety like that today haha - info from here, just scroll to 14/08/93: www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/90s/ht1993.htm
@@DTPORT5723 totally agree, the variety we had back then was brilliant. Shame we used to take it all for granted. 👍😎
Nice vid buddy
Thank you.....
Are there two steam locomotives in the sidings to the right?
There could have been. I think later in the day a steam tour left heading south.
Carlisle station looks better today, certainly better than that awfully dilapidated looking exterior in this video. And the footbridge is still there! What the hell is that at 12:19?!
That's a class 08 shunting engine, known to rail enthusiasts as a 'Gronk'.....
Cool thanks! :)
@@chloejones1548 I dont think Soi was there for the Architecture !!! It might look better today. But there is nowhere near as much variety of Classic Diesel and Electric loco's. There is even 2 Steam engines in the far sidings.
This vid is a piece of History 👍
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus a Thrashing Claggy Gronk at that. Awesome disay from the little 08 👍
The 08 stopped quickly
Gronks are like that, you can whack the straight air brake hard they will stand on their nose! Lovely little engines to drive.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I've only ever driven 2. Both up and down a siding at Eastleigh works, on an Inter City Railway Society tour of the works, driver for a fiver! Great fun. I've also driven 07007, 73133 and 73201 at the same place. The 2 EDs were driver for a tenner. Can't wait for the next tour!
8:43 - Worst carriage livery, ever. Period. :P
Ah, yes. The pilkington set.....certainly never passed by un-noticed!....
The worst of its era but not worst ever. Theres been worse ones more recently
@@soundseeker63 Fair point; maybe there have been worst liveries since then, but this one in particular, I found to be most horrid (as some enthusiasts out there may possibly agree)...