Martin Scorsese on 'Theme Park' Marvel Movies, Netflix, & Streaming
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ต.ค. 2019
- During the press conference for The Irishman, Director Martin Scorsese talks about his thoughts on Netflix streaming services and 'Theme Park' Marvel movies. The director's remarks have caused controversy with MCU directors James Gunn and Joss Whedon defending their movies.
You can see the London Film Festival press conference in full here which was also attended by cast members Robert De Niro, Al Pacino and Producers Jane Rosenthal & Emma Tillinger Koskoff: • Robert De Niro, Al Pac...
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After actually hearing him speak, I finally realized how much the press has blown his comments out of proportion...
of course they would, I mean that's what the press does
Yes!!! It wasn't that bad... He didn't attack marvel he gave an answer, that in it he used marvel movies as an example for what he was trying to say.... I understand what he Means, but I do think marvel movies are cineama
Exactly what I was thinking they made it seem like he slandered the movies all together he just said they're different and now everyone is in outrage about it but he was very fair and thoughtful in his assessment
So he didn't use the words in question. What about Coppola or Jennifer Aniston pile on?
He's still wrong though. He's claiming that they aren't cinema because they aren't substantive narrative films, instead they are "theme parks." This is wrong. Marvel movies absolutely are narrative films. The fact that there are expensive and thrilling cgi scenes doesn't change that.
The dude's not saying never eat donuts. He's just saying junk food is not a sound basis for a diet.
Ha ha ha ha no
@@themadtitan7603 Oh, go be "inevitable" someplace else! 😂
(joking with ya!)
@@jjbb84x lol
Neither is 8 glasses of water like everyone else says
Well put!
If you think about it. Hollywood is saturated with Superhero films, movie franchises, Sequels, prequels, Remakes. Production companies don't want to back young filmmakers who want to make their own "Taxi Driver" or real cinema type film. Even Scorcese had a very difficult time trying to get funding for the Irishman
Exactly. Besides he was just taking about different viewing experiences and whether or not they will affect the traditional cinema experience
how is that marvels fault? 3 movies a year n about 4% of all movies in a year are "invading cinemas"
when i get denied for W/E reason i dont go around pointing fingers....with a movie thats 3 hrs 45mins thats good enough reason for theaters to back off... plus WE the people decide on what we want to spend our money. Good movies make money...not superhero movies. If that was the case how come the justice league did so poorly?
IMO quality is objective to the viewer. viewers decide whats good quality by investing in it. if their product is not wanted maybe they should redefine their understanding of quality and adapt. because at the end of day its about making money n pleasing movie fans. SO dont blame marvel...BLAME the peolple
@@Valuemeal_papi well said but I do feel like releasing one mcu film a year can reduced the comic book fatigue some people are feeling
@@Valuemeal_papi The statement "good movies make money" doesn't really hold up today when you see garbage like the live action Beauty and the beast and the lion king make a billion dollars. Also factor in the live action Alvin and the chipmunks 4 films, the 3 smurf movies with Neil Patrick Harris, and marvel films like Captain Marvel. Let's get this straight I dont have a problem with marvel (I think the formula is a little repetitive) but i have no real problem with them the bottom line is sometimes the bad product over shadows the good because they certain buzz words are used like "strong female" or "first black hero" and that makes the people of those demographics buy tickets regardless of the quality of the film because they want to "support their people", also nostalgia plays a huge role these days people will buy a ticket to a movie they know they're not going to like just to make an hour long TH-cam rant on why it was terrible, so sometimes the good movie doesn't win. Just like how teen titans go has better ratings than the original teen titans. Does that mean it's the better show?
@@Valuemeal_papi "good movies make money" lol good one
Al Pacino looks like a friggin' rockstar.
leonardo h he is 😎
He is god of acting, with the boy de niro near him
He is
@@settagashista142 I agree with everything except one thing that he's boy
He is bigger than rockstar
I don’t know why people treat Scorsese so harshly... he’s so sincere and passionate about his art form. He’s so supportive to other filmmakers. He gave praise to Wes Anderson at the beginning of his career and Ari aster at the beginning of his....
He’s so lovely.
He's besties with Spike Lee, his favorite movies aren't just in the late 20st century, he named Hereditary as his favorite horror movie of the year, like damn the horror movie that divided audiences but get tons of loves from critics. Hereditary is one of my favorite horror and the fact that it got praised from Scorsese, man i respect him more
@@Bjork4s also gave GDT’s Nightmare Alley a genuine seal of approval. Problem is getting butts in seats, though the preservation of the craft must come first. This streaming deal is a lifeline for directors but severely limits their artistic reach. I fear for when the OG’s of cinema are gone in 10 years
@@itsallgoodman4108 yeah and he also praised Ti West's Pearl and that movie disturbed him (and me and other people).
@@m.syauqiabdurahman2798X and Pearl were great saw them both on the big screen
yes he gave praise to something as amateur and shitty as an Ari Aster movie, and that is the pseudo intellectual equivalent of the anti intellectualism of saying MCU movies are art...but the latter is always criticized instead of the former because it requires to use your brain just a little bit more to understand how an Ari Aster movie is a melodramatic, amateur POS...and the fact that even Marty can't see that demonstrates fully the 100 year decline of western culture to think tangibly about any art...
people are now realising that martin was spot on.
He is absolutely correct. When you go to see a Marvel film, you do it for the sake of thrill and fun. After you leave the theater, you feel like you had a blast. It's like a visit to an amusement park.
Exactly. I’ll do a screenshot of your comment it’s so perfect
Yeah. But they are fun and we can learn teamwork from marvel movies and lifelessons from DC's Watchmen.
Doesn't mean it's not film it cinema though.
isnt that the whole point of films? to entertain?
@@erosion271 but as was stated there are different ways of entertaining and those are to be defined. Just as a serialized show is entertaining for example the first season of West World or perhaps Naoki Urasawa’s monster, they are still not what would be classified as a different way of telling a story, as was addressed by Scorsese in this very clip. And large expansive franchise films are the same way in the vastly different approach to how character arcs and progression is approached and with how narrative beats are utilized.
It’s like the short story vs the novella vs the novel vs book series, or the format of comic vs graphic novel vs light novel vs manga. It’s not an attack on marvel but the identification for the need for distinction and Scorsese just happened to choose the word marking the distinction as being called cinema for a current lack of a better word for describing this form of story telling medium.
Every sensible word is falling on deaf ears.
Exactly.
that is when you learn the art of not giving a f*** about anything anymore
@@alnasraltair8948 about most of the things
This aged extremely well
It is insane that a man that is making movies for 50 years needs to explain why he doesn't like cartoons with live actors that are otherwise called MCU.
Watch captain America winter soldier. That is no cartoon. Some movies feel that way I get it, but there is something for everyone in the MCU. Check out daredevil seasons 1-3, they got a 4th one coming soon
@@justice_productions_ What is so "deep" about Winter soldier?The supposed discussion about the surveillance state?
@@rankoorovic7904 The Price of Freedom is high, but it’s a price we should all be willing to pay.
There’s a lesson of trust too, I used to not like the movie for how it made sheild fall so early on in the MCU but as I’ve gotten older and wiser in my 20s I see it’s all a metaphor for our own government in the USA. Especially after epstein….there’s no doubt there’s a lot more we don’t know and it gets really messed up the deeper you look. Winter soldier is a masterpiece and that’s not even discussing cap putting aside his feelings for Bucky his best friend/ brother who he fought side by side with in world war 2 to save the word from that same evil. Being Hydra. They themselves a blend between the Nazi’s and todays Russia as we see a tyrant attempting to take land that is not his. Cap is a man of the people not the government and we see that shift in the movie when he realizes how things have changed in the modern world
@@justice_productions_ Surveillance doesn't work like that neither does resistance to it.Still a naive and childish movie a fun one but still a childish one.
@@rankoorovic7904 Who are you to say fighting back doesn’t work? And I’ve seen Italian mob movies, fat privileged guys in suits acting tough….Good movies some of them… but only for people of that demographic.That gets old faster than multiple ongoing stories from decades of comics, shows and what not. The “western” comparison applies more towards the mafia movies. MCU is still going strong. Atleast 1 if not more of the MCU movies makes a billion and it triggers people like you and boomers like Martin who remember geeks being the losers when now it’s flipped LOL
Let's get this straight. Scorsese has been making 'great films' for well over 50 years, many of them 'masterpieces'. He is in his mid-70's and and still making great films at a pace of that of a man half his age. He may have made some films that you don't like but seriously, the man has NEVER made a bad film. Scorsese, literally....IS cinema. He breathes it, and teaches it. He knows more about cinema than YOU!!. I've seen A LOT of posts on how Scorsese is "out of touch". Some of the keyboard warriors I've read posts on will even have the audacity to think they know more about cinema than Scorsese!!!!! Well, you dont and not even close my friend. Thats something akin to Justin Bieber or Sid Vicious explaining music to Mozart!!! Scorsese's films are going to be remembered and studied a hundred years from now. I highly doubt the MCU universe films will be.
Mike Navis MCU it’s just pop culture trash nothing deep or relevant. It’s disposable sure it may be fun but it’s not art and there’s nothing deep there
People saying he is out of touch are right. He is out of touch. People like him, and you, can't seem to grasp the fact that Hollywood changed. It will ALWAYS change. He clearly can't accept that. He doesn't know much about cinema if he thinks he gets to define what cinema is. Also, quit overrating his movies. Some of them aren't actually that great.
LOL people are sheep, since he has opinion I must agree, and follow all he says.
Well said man actually they are immature as a viewer they just love the crap some guys saving the universe everytime.Martin scorsese is and will be the most influential director of all time Taxi driver,goodfellas,raging bull,gangs of newyork and every movie he made reflects a piece of an art.
All I'm saying is... If he had the same energy for the Star Wars movies in the late seventies then that is fine
He is right you know. Marvel is fun, like a theme park. And we love Marvel and theme parks. But MUC is not deep, it's not gut wrenching relatable human experiences. Some people go to the museum to see Rembrandt, some people go to see a flashy lights installation.
well unless you're god who can summon lightning, a tech and weaponry billionaire with an iron tech armor suit, a nerd scientist who can turn into a mean, green , fighting machine or anything around that ballpark....I highly doubt any real person would have much to relate to since these are highly unlikely to occur in any current human experience js.
Gotta disagree here, a man in a flying metal suit or a god who can summon lighting are merely the surface of these characters. They are very human and very relatable. They go through very human problems. Spider-Man just wants to be a kid and have a girlfriend and have fun. Iron man loses his control when he finds out his parents were murdered and wants to kill the person who did it to them, he also has PTSD after a traumatic experience in his life. Thor and Loki may not even be human but they have one of the most human struggles of all... one dude is a rebel who has to learn that the world isn’t about him and to care about other people, the other is an adopted son who just wants his father to love him.
I think to say that just because these characters have these steely impossible exteriors and ability’s, that means we can’t relate to them isn’t fair at all. And you can see this fact by all the people who have been touched emotionally by these movies. People who have laughed in these movies, people who have held their breath in these movies, people who have cried in these movies.
If what you say is true, that we can’t relate and therefore connect to these characters then you have to explain why people cried when Spider-Man died, or why people cried when iron man died, or why you could hear a pin drop in every theatre in the world when thanos succeeded in infinity war at killing half of everyone. It’s cause ppl have connected, ppl can relate, people do care about these characters. And isn’t that one of the biggest parts of cinema? And emotional connection with the characters your watching.
Nic Rock thanks for the post dude. I don’t know man. I think the writing and connection thing is a matter of opinion. A lot of ppl feel the way you do and a lot feel the way i do. But one thing u brought up was a comparison to Sam Raimis Spider-Man movies (which I also love, even more than the Tom Holland movies). Remember the question is “Is Martin S. Correct in calling them theme park movies. I mentioned the connection to the characters as a point to say that no he is wrong they are real cinema. You brought up a previous Spider-Man movie. I’d bet everything I have that Martin S. Would say Sam Raimis Spider-Man movies were “theme park movies” also. Cause he isn’t say they aren’t real cinema cause (like we debated) you can’t connect to the characters. He clearly has his own description of what he feel real cinema is and neither the marvel movies or Sam Raimis movies (I’d bet) would fall in that category. So now tell me would you agree with Martin S. That spider man 1 and 2 (Toby M.) are “Theme park movies”? If not then you understand why I say he is wrong about the marvel movies. Because every reason you might come up with in your mind to disagree with him about the spidey movies and say they are real cinema. Those are the reasons I say marvel movies are Cinema.
Their characters are really overshadowed by their alter egos. They truly go through great and deep character arcs from the beginning to end. Some people just need to open their eyes to these kinds of things
@@Northshoreboy135 Finally, an actual reasonable person.
Thank you!
This aged so well
People are now getting the point of understanding of what is happening with Hollywood now. What these Disneyfied movies are doing to real cinematic experience. Thank you Mr. Scorsese.
@avto walley who hurt you?
@@greysoul8109 Reddit
This is true and Scorsese experienced this. Because people are so obsessed wih franchise films, no studio would ever want to fund The Irishman. Took him and De Niro 2 decades to get The Irishman to the big screen. It's sad what movie studios had become, they care much more on money than making a good quality movie
Marvel man-children keyboard warriors thinking they know more about cinema than the greatest filmmaker of all time lol
One of , have you not heard of Kubrick or whats his face that made 7 samurai
Scorsese is 100% the greatest filmmaker alive. There are some other filmmakers that have made iconic films and have influenced cinema: those mostly being kubrick, kobayashi, tarkovsky and the guy that made seven samurai named akira kurosawa
@@andrewcruzsmith2343 Akira Kurosawa
@@thbledar4774 dude you straight bugging Kubrick is the better film maker
andrew cruz smith Yes. Of course he is. When did i ever say that he wasn’t? We were talking about the greatest filmmaker alive and Kubrick died in 1999 while Scorsese is still alive and well.
MCU Movies are like the song Despacito, it's the most watched music video of all time but it does not mean that is a masterpiece song, do you know what I mean?
some nice example right here
Yeah i get it
avto walley world would be silent if beethoven’s music are masterpiece. But world would go to war if they should agree on despacito is an masterpiece.
avto walley world would be silent if beethoven’s music are masterpiece. But world would go to war if they should agree on despacito is an masterpiece.
@avto walley Yeah but despacito is not Bohemian Rapsody, is not 9th symphony, is the masterpiece of regeaton but it doesnt have the hard work or quality or genius . You can say Despacito is Avengers: Endgame, Bohemian Rapsody is The Godfather. they are not bad but is a different process and one has more quality than the other
His comments really weren't that serious. Like Samuel L Jackson said everyone has their own opinion.
Even Jon Favreau agreed with his opinions. Scorsese is his biggest influence in filmmaking and he respects his master and people should respect Scorsese too. RDJ has no problem at all as he said "He's Martin Scorsese" man can people just take this as a normal valid criticism
With that statement you're automatically placing Scorsese's opinion at the same level as any other dumb virgin out there on the internet. People just need to shut up instead of spitting endless opinions about something they are not educated at, Socrates warned us about the danger of abusing our democratic power.
@@fulippuannaghiti1965 well it IS an opinion is it not? hes not some sort of omnipotent being (debatable) that says something and were required to take it into consideration and ponder on it lol. you can heed his words or ignore em just like you can with anyone else
@@dr-johnnysins what you fail to understand is that the person who's expressing the opinion is an expert in the field. The problem is not whether he's expressing an opinion or not. It's undeniable Scorsese's expertise level in the cinematographic industry, you probably weren't even in this planet when Scorsese started his career, and still you consider Scorsese's opinion the same as anyone else.
I'm not going to lie, it's basically Fine Dining v Fast food
That was pretty accurate ngl
Perhaps the best comparison, you could also say it's Biber vs Bach.
I agree with Martin Scorsese the majority of Marvel films won't stand the test of time.
I don't think any of them will. Not even the really good ones.
Same with the original Star Wars trilogy. The effects dont hold up, but the story telling and characters do. 20-30 years from people will love the first 22 MCU movies because of the story and characters they developed.
Star Wars is original, even though the effects don't hold up, the story and characters do.
facts
Endgame will be remembered for being the highest grossing movie, just like Avatar thats it. Movies like TDK,Logan, Star Wars even the Raimi Triology, (Iron Man 1,Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War) will be remembered decades later.
How did I ever get so worked up about this? He never said Marvel movies were bad. He never even said anything negative about them. Just don't watch only Marvel movies, which I've always agreed with
I'm glad you can recognize that you worked yourself up over it, and come to a mature understznding. Not many people can do that.
I am a Marvel fan, but the man has a point.
Exactly. He didn't say marvel is bad, he said that disney is monopolizing the industry.
I think he deals with more realistic movies. Marvel movies were never gonna be his thing.
Exactly. He’s just not on the same wavelength, and that’s okay.
Avatar is not realistic, yet it's a masterpiece under many aspects. The difference between Marvel movies and Scorsese's is that the first focus on entertainment and the second on contemplation. Today people are too shallow and lazy to go for the second I guess .
I like Marvel a lot, and I like comic hero characters but I also agree with Martins points on the MCU.
Dont get me wrong, I really enjoy the MCU. (Guardians of the Galaxy being one of my favorites) but I totally see what Scorsese talking about.
MCU films are very formulaic. If you see one you pretty have an idea of what the all the others are going to be like. After a while they do start to become an overused gimic and more of a fashion fad at the moment. Just like how shoot'em up Westerns, B-sci-fi movies and the classic Universal Monsters were the film fads of their times.
Also, the MCU is owned by Disney which in many ways puts some real limits on what kind of stories they can tell on the big screen. They need to keep a "kid" or "family" friendly reputations and avoid "offending" anyone. As a result, you'll never see an MCU film like "Joker" that is made "exclusively" for adults that want to be challenged. Even Deadpool wasn't green lighted by Disney and that was made more for rebellious teenagers.
Gaurdians of the Galaxy, in my opinion, is one of the best movies of all time.
I’ve seen many of the greats. It just happens to be that I enjoy my movies being a bit more fantastical and weird while also being a bit more straightforward as well.
All the people who are calling these movies garbage...? I doubt they’ve watched more than two marvel movies.
And Dark Knight, Inception, and Prestige are the best movies though.
@@calvinjohnson6242 I've watched every mcu movie and series and all of them are cash grabs not cinema
@@fhinpus Even if the corporation itself makes these movies for money, which is essentially why all movies are made, the directors and the producer, Kevin Feige, are putting their heart and soul into these movies.
Even if you don’t like them, they are unarguably art that was made by artists, and art that many people love. If you disagree with that, you are blind to the way society works.
Comics as a genre was never meant to be super meaningful and perfect. It was supposed to be fun. People have FUN making them and watching them.
Anyone who hates these movies on a basis that they are “all the same” is flat out wrong, as many have had completely different tones and genres. Ant Man is a Heist movie. Guardians is a space opera. Winter Soldier is a spy thriller.
There is no universe where the way you treat these movies is not pretentious and arrogant. So please, shut up.
Cinema means MOVIE. All movies are cinema.
@Richard Parker I do agree with you except on your point about Joker. I don't think that film was particularly challenging at all, it was sort of like a Kidz Bop version of Taxi Driver, a lot of the points it tried to make were watered down and not explored very well, and since it was still a comic book movie, it just felt like the average corporate product attempting to pass itself off as 'artistic' by being pretentious in an attempt to cover it's shallowness. It's an OK movie, a decent remake/remix of Taxi Driver/The King of Comedy, but I would actually argue it's one of the biggest examples of the comic book genre dominating cinema without having much to say, and as a result, wasn't as challenging as it clearly thought it was being. That's just my take on it though, and I know it's a generally well-regarded film, so it's possible that I'm just missing something.
Marvel being owned by Disney really limits what storytelling potential Marvel has which makes em the cookie cutter films they are being ever since Black Widow.
It's crazy how mad people get bc one person has an opinion now.
Whether or not you agree with Mr. Scorsese:
Take Martin Scorsese out of cinema and you'll notice a massive hole in art history...
Take the MCU out of cinema (yes 'cinema') and only one thing is mi$$ing...
Epic burn 🔥
You're wrong but okay. That's like saying take Star Wars out and only thing missing is money.
@@mathiyanz Ohhkkay? You're wrong in reading my response. I was specifically talking about MCU. Not Star Wars. Take the MCU out and what happens...
@@mathiyanz And to double back on that, I'd say the same for Star Wars. The last 5 weren't exactly the greatest...
@@kurtharford162 I know you were talking specifically about the MCU but you are still wrong. The MCU has been an integral part of the pop culture for the last 10 years. Of course removing it will have an impact! An entire generation of people have grown up with them.
Eagerly waiting for 'Killers of the flower moon '. Leo and DeNiro together. Hope this film will rock at the oscars
F*ck the Oscars!
Pacino always look like a gangster.
He's Tony Montana for his whole life now
Lot of people are being nice here actually want to bash him but could not because he is a legendary figure... Someone who has contributed to cinema so much and maintained the aesthetic and purity of story telling... So he wins I guess... 😂😂😂
Marvel wins too 😊
@@Young_Dab yeah sure... Scorsese wins his game and marvel win theirs
No CGI ruined all modern film in general especially comic movies. Comics are made to be read on paper back. Not a digital computer format which is what the three hour movie is. And why a comic movie that’s a three hour soap opera, everything‘s a remake. Do you wonder why no comic movies modern times have won an Oscar. They are trash.
CYVstudio May I ask what your top three or five favourite movies of all time are?
CYVstudio ya you're not really a movie buff if those kid flicks are your top... I guess you play video games too?
The GOAT is right.
Martin Scorsese is the greatest asset of America. All Meryl Streeps and Nicholsons and Brandos and Pacinos can't touch his influence or knowledge regarding cinema.
He is the greatest ambassador of American cinema ever.
He's completely right and also very wrong. Aside from that fact that it's irksome that he comments on the MCU while also saying he's never seen any of the pictures.
The financial considerations for movie goers now a days are huge. Take a family of four to the theatre for one movie or pay for all of your streaming services for that month for nearly unlimited entertainment programming where each member of that family can watch their own choices? Heck, for films that are NOT huge visual extravaganzas streaming is an exceptional way to watch with no people around you in the theatre being rude, with their smartphones as an example, plus unlimited rewatching. Excellent way to watch deep character pieces and dramas.
While the experience of the theatre movie going experience is still the best way to see "amusement park ride" movies, those big bold massively visual experiences like the MCU, Star Wars, etc.
It comes down to the best use of a person's entertainment dollars.
Scorsese couldn't get The Irishman greenlit by the major studios with the budget he wanted, but Netflix did it. Streaming is the perfect home the character driven work. Heck, if it wasn't a good home for it would someone of Scorsese's character and reputation have even consented to make it with Netflix? Of course not.
Tarantino is the goat buddy
@@charisma7312 hahahahahahahhaahaha
No. Far from it.
@@charisma7312 Yes if you're ignorant about everything he lifts from.
One can’t blame Scorsese or Coppola for espousing this view. Both filmmakers came to prominence at a time when young people were questioning the tragic consequences of their parents’ generational childishness. These two directors responded to that challenge with greater realism in their work. To their mind, the popularity of Marvel probably feels regressive, like a return to 50s superhero tv shows. And if I’m right in assuming that, then the backlash they’ve received probably also feels regressive. It’s like a return to 50s witch-hunts.
60 years ago there were certain sacred cows in this country that a person simply didn’t question. Scorsese and Coppola did question them. But young people today on a whole aren’t like that. They might think they are “woke”, but that’s really a contemporary, trendy dogma.
How ironic it then is that in this sense, Millennials and Gen Y folk who feel affronted by the questioning of their own sacred cows are behaving more like their grandparents then like their parents.
Dang man, you spilled it out exactly how I think
👏👏👏👏
Hi
A question
What do you think of the mcu?
Superhero fans try to cancel Martin Scorsese for thinking that Marvel movies are theme park rides but most of those fans are wrong because Martin Scorsese predicted the future where superhero movies are failing in the movie theaters which did happen this year with Ant Man & Wasp Quant mania, Shazam Fury of the Gods, Blue Beetle, and The Flash due to those films having terrible cgi that wasn’t completed in post production where VFX workers are over worked
And Steven Spielberg said Netflix are TV movies 😂
Steven Spielberg is the highest grossing director of all time
North America & Europe
Didn't Speilberg get his start in cinema by making tv movies.
Some TV movies are pretty good though.
he is right. telefilms.
who really gives a shit what Spielberg has to say? he's one of the worst filmmakers currently working.
Sit down Marvel fanboys, understand what Scorsese meant when he said Marvel movies are not Cinema!!! Listen and understand what he means cuz he has a point and he's right!!
He didn’t even say they were bad. Just that they’re an entirely different thing from what he thinks is cinema
@@AkiraLionPilot exactly, people are overreacting to this but they don't understand the actual point of what Scorsese means and he is right, more of a theme park film than a Cinema film
We have to sit down because one "American" director says it's not cinema?
@@arkyudetoo9555 lmao, he's more than just an American director sweetheart
@@Bjork4s Still, it's argument from authority. Because he says so therefore it is so.
I am one of the first few hundred people that watched the video. Now I'm part of history.
Your comment has 69 likes you are the chosen one
Taxi Driver > Entire MCU
Out of all the comments I read about Scorsese saying Marvel movies are not cinema not one took his entire statement in context.
I'll let you know what Scorsese Means
Sure Marvel movies are the rage at the moment. And I too enjoy and cherish them.
But
Years from now None of these will matter the same way Like Taxi Driver ,Goodfellas , The Godfather, Terminator Judgement Day,There will be Blood, Pulp Fiction , Apocalypse Now , 2001 A space Odyssey , The Shawshank redemption.
Now this what Scorsese MEANS
Yes those films are considered "classics" They became classics because of usually a good story and how much they were loved and viewed by the public around the time. To me it kinda baffles me that people believe these movies will be forgetten because trust me they won't. The company itself has been making comics since 1939. Marvel has been for so long. And it's not just the movies that will keep the franchise alive. People hold conventions and fill there house with merchandise of these characters. People cosplay and dedicate there lives to making fanart of these characters. People even make video games and short films on TH-cam of these stories. So how could people actually believe these stories and movies will be forgettable. Are they the best movies in the world? No of course not. But that's not what matters. It's the impact that it makes on the audience that's what counts
Yah marvel movies are the rage right now. But marvel in general has been the rage for a very long time. That's why it has lasted for so long
I'm Batman Daredevil Netflix will live on forever because that was a real master piece
Belive me it will,in specialy endgame,i m a big fan of Martin but its just his opinion,but avengers will live forever
say whatever you want.
Endgame wont be forgotten at all
Endgame is Cinema at its finest
Lmao in the beginning deniro looks bored out of his mind, Scorsese looks so tired he could fall asleep right there, and pacinos just there like ‘fuck I’m awesome’
Absolutely agree with him on Marvel movies. Hit the nail on the head with the amusement park analogy.
Marvel movies are better than martins movies
And why he just mentionned marvel movies and not dc?
Then why do you watch marvel movies
@@likelybased Inferior.
Soloist Deve lol it’s not even a debate
Marvel is the McDonald’s of films. Cheap , easy not the most refined . But tasty . That’s it . Scorsese is the Ribeye steak .
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Accurate
I'm a Scorcese fan as well as a Marvel fan. I love superhero movies since my childhood. But I think what made me love cinema and filmmaking so much are the movies which were made by directors like Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, Francis Ford Coppola etc. But my doubt is why the superhero movies and the Marvel movies are turning into huge blockbusters while Scorsese's movies aren't reaching upto that mark commercially.
I love the Food comparisons because they illustrate the problem really well but there is a crucial difference: Fast food is cheap whereas good and healthy food can be expensive. With movies it is just choice and there is no reason why anyone couldn't choose to feed their brain with the highest quality entertainment. Same goes for music.
He has a point. Well said that man
No matter how clear and respectful one person is with his opinion, there will always be toxic people on the internet who like to troll people to death for no other reason. These people are what is wrong with the media now.
They have the power in this situation. It's infuriating.
They just like to jump into conclusion without knowing what he really mean. It doesn't sound like he's trashing the MCU, his honest opinion wasn't that harsh. He's concerned that franchise films like MCU are the main thing that will be shown in theaters with ton of people cheering and screaming while the movie plays like they're at a theme park ride. Yep Marvel movies are theme park movies alright and he's right. His opinion wasn't that harsh tho. People just like to take his comment out of context. It's not like he tells Marvel to not making movies, he still acknowledge the talent of filmmakers in making movies
Can't really see the outrage over his remarks. From what I can tell he was making a distinction between viewing experiences of various types of movies and why theatres should allow all those different movies to be shown regardless of say, length etc. He didn't curse marvel or disregard their movies he just said they were a different viewing experience from *"traditional cinema"* (whatever the hell that means)
The way I see it his movies are like Jazz/more classical music, Marvel is more pop. Some like one or the other, some like both but both are music, they are just in different genre's...Marvel is cinema.
I think what he means is "cinema as product". Older films were made to be their own ideas and art, while what marvel, dc, and maybe others are doing is making movies that are basically products to be used and forgotten for money
Mm, he called them “theme park movies.” It’s honestly just a sort of accidentally condescending way of saying that he watched the first couple and they weren’t realistic or gripping enough for him, so he assumed they were all cash grabs and didn’t actually watch the good ones.
It’s super understandable, but I disagree with his opinion.
Nothing he says here is wrong. He may be a little bit snobbish in his views, but ffs he's Martin Scorsese. If anyone can speak on cinema, it's this guy.
I don't see it as snobbish, I see it as someone who's very passionate about filmmaking.
Snobbish? What the fuck are you talking about?😂😂
Who else saw ad for Martin Scorsese Masterclass right before this video? So cool. Coincidence or algorithm?
Yup. I've been getting a ton of those Ads.
The media made him sound like he called the MCU garbage
He is 100% right. MARVEL films are.....just fun films.
Nolan, Tarantino, Scorsesse, etc. Make MOVIES. EXPERIENCES. ART.
Tarantino movies are just fun too. They're just fun made on a higher calibre of writing and filmmaking.
ehhhhh, one out of three ain't bad..
@@a.t.3192 I agree, but they have meanings, true messages and aren't cookie cutter copies of each other.
The nest way I can explain it is, when I go to see a Movie, I want to sit there for 1.5 to 3 hours and be totally engrossed in that film. I don't want, every 20 minutes, to be reminded I'm watching a film due to 'Easter eggs' and obvious references to other films in the CU. It takes me out of the moment and I realise "oh I'm in a cinema/watching a film".
@@JBrown_Trivium What Tarantino has a deeper meaning/message? I mean, I guess you could argue Django is about racism and the dehumanization of slavery but that's more incidental because of the plot than a concieted thematic exploration.
Usually conferences are so boring, but one with Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Martin Scorsese, it is the ideal conference
Been bingeing clips of Scorsese, there’s something so endearing and incredible about him and his passion for film
Everything will find its own place as time comes no need to worry.
Yeah, all we can do is trust time, and go out there with your camera, and make your picture.
Really love what Netflix is doing tho
Pure unadulterated truth.
This is relatable to MCU phase 4
As a MCU consumer and cinema lover, I get Martin's point, Marvel movies are fun and entertaining but that's all, there are other kind of movies that wants to show you more and explore different worlds, and stories, have a real connection with this characters and their problems, he's not even saying they're bad, he is just saying that is not cinema, and he's right it's a different experience, that only wants you to have a nice experience, but that's it.
It's beautiful to experience other kind of films, and not just get stuck in MCU.
Wow I’m shocked, a lucid and insightful mcu fan
He’s not wrong, superhero films are derivative as fuck. You pretty much know exactly what’s gonna happen
I’d compare it to porn, we all know how it’s going to end.
Was Batman cinema? Micheal keaton was my favorote actor and I watched all of the new movies at the cinema
20 movies with the same plot isn't cinema.
@@illuminate_day they definitely didnt have the same plot lmao , stop acting like you know shit!
@@mysticalmaniac2 Slow down there boy, they're all basically the same apart from Winter soldier and Infinity war. I can sense you haven't really watched a lot of good movies.
@@illuminate_day what about star wars?
@@heartfulbreeze6801 Star wars new hope was the movie that made most scifi movies possible. It was one of kind of it's time. Now it's just one among many.
Well he's our greatest living American director, so I'm with Marty on this one.
Lol okay buddy
He's an old man with just an opinion... Life must be hard for you if you need a old man to decide what's good for you
I think marty is kinda overrated. Most of his films are mediocre tbh. Directors like Tarantino, PTA, Kubrik, Spielberg are genuinenly Talented filmmakers.
@@jothishprabu8 If you think Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and Goodfellas are overrated you don't know much about movies.
@@AyushBhadouria the same "old man" is considered the best film maker of all time
5:03 Marvel comment
Not only do i agree with what he said but i applaud him for taking this stand and saying it out loud. These superhero craps where the world is coming to an end, only to be saved by these superheroes, are so boring to watch that i would rather watch Melancholia hundred times and rather watch the world come to an end.
Are you trying to imply that melancholia is boring?
Yeah superheroes are boring
@@randomguy56789 how old are you ?
okay chill god, just because you don't like it dose't mean you have to hate it.
It’s people like you who game Scorsese the bad name he got among Marvel fans. You misunderstood him as much as they did.
i think its a great idea to have option of streaming and theater in the same time and let the audience chose thats very good
man i haven't seen those old guys in so long. glad to see them back
Marty is right. Marvel are more tv than real movies: serialized, with the same directing/shooting and narrative style. If Marvel would give complete control over the look, story and characters to directors- then it will be « real » movies. Untill that day that will never come- Marty is right.
No, he's not. MCU movies are just that, movies. Deal with it.
hemanownsyou more like expensive and serialized tv movies. Maybe only Infinity War, The Guardians and Dr. Strange are real movies here.
@@frenchcoupon3391 They are all real movies. You have to be a special kind of stupid to argue they aren't real movies.
hemanownsyou don’t talk s... please. I have Martin Scorsese in my camp. Make some short movies and then comment on something.
Makes sense. Comicbooks are inherently serialized. Makes sense that films that adapt them adopt their nature.
I think the new marvel phase might fail, the infinity war saga cannot be topped
Man Bro no it won’t it’s just taking a year break right now
@@marcosmc3709 death' of the MCU fanboy attacking on this Post
With Captain Marvel being the first bad mcu movie and endgame being kind of a let down Phase 4 doesn't seem good
Don Pepe Endgame wasn’t a let down its the highest grossing movie all time most at the box office
@@marcosmc3709 It was worse than Infinity War so it was a letdown money is another thing
RIP Chadwick Boseman...
Big W Scorsese
"Marvel films are just like theme park you just enjoy not to experience as cinema" as marvel fan I couldn't agree more
Guys says nothing wrong, it's true fact we cannot destroy the cinema, originality and creativity of the direction we have put a limit to entertainment industry and look up to experiencing cinema
Time flies, things change. So style of movie changes along with it. If you want to watch then watch, if you don't then fu** off. As simple as that
@@akhlash4974 oh man I can't wait for the future! Everyone is a comedian type character and has very funny quips in sad or serious moments! Let's not forget a big battle with all the well known characters that apparently people want in all movies now! (Yeah I'm being harsh dickhead, my apologies)
I'm just happy someone said it, I wish it wasn't blown out of proportion though. This man makes amazing movies
Comment sections like these ones make me lose faith in humanity.
Man...It's just silly children who worship marvel crap. They have no idea who Scorsese is
@@Burgalo2001 YOURE AN IDIOT WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT MARVEL IS.
Scorsese = trash movie
@@Burgalo2001 Now you don't act like an expert buddy.Calling MCU fans as kids makes you a fan boy of Scorcese.Every movie is not supposed to be a movie made by Martin,they have there own specialities.People aren't stupid to watch these movies if they are crap.
Yeah, this comment section is almost entirely made up of Marvel fans saying Scorsese doesn't know about cinema, and pretentious cinephiles who feel validated by a big director critiquing a franchise that they dislike.
Scorsese will go down in history as the man that broke MCU fans
If anyone is interested, you should check out Anthony Mackie (MCU's The Falcon) talking about this kind of thing. It's quite interesting.
Yeah... his comments were taken out of proportion. And he’s right about most of what he said.
imagine Martin Scorsese directing a Deadpool lolol. Even those who agree w Scorsese have to agree that could be something
Michael B he does more serious stuff tho.
It would probaby be two hours of Deadpool beating his wife.
Remember Wolf of Wall street... Martin might have a mindblowing deadpool version of his own
Martin has a point. I think he just describe it in a way where Marvel fans will get triggered. I like watching Marvel movies but when I compare it to the films of Martin Scorsese, I can mostly relate to Scorsese's art. That's all, everyone has opinion and we as an audience and fans should be open up to criticism.
he is 100% right
I think movies are movies. You choose what you want to see standing in the line and all aren’t Marvel or Disney. Do You take your kids to see this or a a Tarantino film. Hell No! The genres are outstanding. There is always a reason for someone speaking. Marvel has two movies coming out next year the rest are other forms. I think it’s an insult to the actors being that there is dialogue and commentary and storylines.
That "question" is the longest non-question ever
Scorsese is absolutely right! And the thing that creeps me out the most is how propaganda like the marvel movies are and alot of the marvel fans have this wierd cult like obsession with it that if you say anything bad or negative about the avengers or iron man the fans immediately attack you like you insulted christ or some weirdo shit the whole thing is crazy
Okey, so if Scorsese is _Fine Dining_ while MCU is _Fast Food_ , and that really makes sense to me... Than what The Holy Mountain by Jodorowsky would be?
Shrooms
People getting hung up on the “it isn’t cinema” comment, when what really matters and needs to be discussed is “(those films) are something else and we shouldn’t be invaded by it”. Even though comic book movies are a phase and will die out in a very near future, the fact that their space should not take over the space of other offerings is what needs to be addressed - which is a moral VS capitalism question.
Movie theaters have always been about capitalism, stop it. He's just saying this because for the first time he's on the outside looking in.
@@matmurk8536 Do you really think you got a point here ? That's like someone telling a communist he is not really a communist because he is wearing pants manufactured and distributed by corporations...Movies are products, that's right, but they also represent culture and as such something which is out of capitalism or should be protected from it. That's why some movies are financed by the State, because movies do not have to be valuable. And that is also why sometimes, directors just invest their own money without expecting feedbacks, because they just want to express to the world their vision.
The problem is that with superheroes movies (but we could also talk about Jurassik World...) there is no crativity anymore, producers just want to follow the datas in order to get the more viewers. So in a way, capitalism is killing culture while improving his revenues with the data economy.
@@erwanbodeven4541 that's all your opinion. You feel that they don't have creativity. I personally think that Avengers Infinity War had way more creativity than The Irishman. How many mob movies have been made? More than superhero movies that's for sure.
@@matmurk8536 With Scorsese I have the feeling of experimentation, feeling that I cannot share with MCU movies, they are quite repetitive and seem to follow specifications rather than risk.
Why do you think Infinty war was creative ? I watched it and I didn't get the same satisfaction, it was good but I knew already what I was going to watch.
When I want to spend more than 10 euros for a seat in a theater (or when I wanted because they are closed now) I don't see the point in watching a Marvel. I watched a few in there and now I have the feeling I watched everything.
But I suppose that's not just about superheroes movies (the idea is that I don't want you to think I'm just fighting against this genre - the problem is not the genre), that's about a certain way to produce and to make films nowadays. When I see a Netflix film, something is telling me they look all the same (ironic from someone who is talking under the Irishman) and I have the same feeling when I watched Jurassik World, to look at sanitized films.
They don't really talk about politics, they are not subversive, I just think these movies are here to entertain without being here to question ourselves. All I woult like to see is more films like Joker and less film like Black Panthers (wow so subversive to make the same distinction between Magneto and Xavier in another context without questionning this duality whereas a film like Selma showed how simplistic it is to divide the civil rights movements between Malcolm X and MLK jr). What about Thanos ? He acted the worst way to avoid a problem, but the Avengers did not answer the problem, they just ignored the problem and fought against Thanos. So the problem still remains...
@@erwanbodeven4541 and you don't think mob movies are repetitive? They've been making the same movies for 60 years. At least the MCU is new. Sure you know what's gonna happen but you know what's gonna happen in nearly every movie you see if you're a film buff. But to say the MCU is not cinema is just ridiculous and flat out wrong. We all have our preferences and that's okay, but saying a movie isn't cinema because of your own preference is where I think you draw the line.
Omg reporter SPIT IT OUT and direct your question lol
Marvel films are like cotton candy. They’re bright, tasty and fun but eventually dissolve away. Disney and Hollywood have become a consortium, a machination if you will, to take nincompoop’s money with abysmal movies that are about as unvaried as a job at a call center. We should take solace in the perfection of Martin Scorsese’s films. He’s the rare breed who’s gotten more and more relevant with each passing year. The subjugators of Hollywood will never kill art and I would rather mop the floors at a peep show than give them my money for the repetitious superhero ordure they fill the theaters up with.
Marvel nerds are in denial
But he said was dumb. He literally hasn't watched any of the marvel movies. So how does he even know.
@@WL1264 ok nerd
@lirainweerasekera643 He has tried to watch several and did not like them so this is false. It is the absolute lowest tier slop like waving keys in front of a baby, if you like Marvel films you are dumber than rocks.
@@WL1264 ok kid
The best audience I shared a movie with was Avengers Infinity War. I also loved First Man (2018) and the theater was empty, enjoyed every minute of it as well.
The movies that will stand the pass of time are those portraying interesting characters and good story. CGI has to exist to contribute with the story or the characters, otherwise they will not be remembered.
@Lightsaber328 TheMan Wtf is wrong with you?
Godfather has zero CGI and will be remembered forever
@@henryfox6293 Same goes to Goodfellas, no CGI but it's a legit classic movie
for someone this old and influential, he has a much more optimistic attitude towards streaming and the future evolution of viewing films than expected.
4:57
Anyone who says that Scorcese is not going with the time and not evolving is absolutely wrong. This man tries out different types of animation technologies before anyone else and is going with the time using platforma such as Netflix to have access to ressources that enable the production of movies that would not been produced otherwise and also made available to a huge audience but also to cinema goers.
I love the marvel movies but I also understand Scorceses point and also see the negative aspects of big money movies.
What is crazy is that the media made this topic so huge even though he didnt really diss marvel...
4:50 Marvel Movies
I respect all genres of cinema i think Scorcese’s professional opinion will definitely boost both the theater and “Marvel”game and hopefully we’ll see a Mobster / Marvel
Big HD TV´s will never replace theaters. Just a week ago I went to see Stanley Kubrick's The Shining. I love that movie and of course I've seen it many times in TV. But inside a theater is a a whole new level, acoustically, the level of details, the sound, the atmosphere, the sensorial experience. And of course there's the warmth of sharing your experience with a social group which amplifies and enhances the whole feel. I like Netflix but it won't happen. Motion pictures came to stay.
When I was a kid, I used to see young actors get old with makeups. When I got old, I now see old actors get young with CGI.
Now what he just said they're sounds a lot nicer compared to what everyone said he's been saying so is the media spinning this or was he really doubling down on his claims it Marvel is at cinema?
He's most def right. Even the actors that played in that films said "we're shooting movies for 16 yos". Disney really fucked the cinema industry...
Well if they don't like it or doesn't love what they are doing, why they accepted it? And also, if it is because of the money, it may result to a shitty movie
@@charlescrawford4907 you're right kid, keep watching.
@@duncanidaho998 thanks
Poor Scorcese, he never actually said anything bad, yet he got all that backlash. He only said the MCU is something new. I think that's a compliment.
Well, scorcese was right about it and now Top Gun Destroyed Marvel Franchies this year 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😘
Hell yes! I was talking with my mom about how glad we are that it wasn’t a Disney film.
@@ericfelds6291
Then the position was for avatar 2(which is from fox and Disney).
Top Gunn isn’t exactly a good film either, it’s obviously just catered to an American audience is the closest thing to a propaganda film put on the big screen
Breaking news
Martin Scorsese says marval is not cinema
Reaction from celebrity and audience
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They cant say shit over Marty
Cause they know he's the greatest director in the world
Lol are you trying to one up Marty with the pretentious nonsense or something?
@ The King is right, Marvel is a fast food entertainment.
@ marval is for kids mate and this is where you come in
But are action movies cinema?
*Maybe The Real Cinema Was the Friends We Made Along the Way*
Here is my thoughts on this matter as a person who sees films from all genres and doesn't listen to anyone but his own guts.
The best movies ever made in history were from the 50's uptill the late 90's movies at that time were all about story telling, crying, poweful acting, fear, Emotions etc...
Almost From 2000 till today, the majority of studios fight over "who makes the big buck" that's literally what Disney aims for, same for DC and superhero movies.
Martin as a guy who saw both eras, sees that cinema changed from this Smooth, chilling, poweful drivin movies to fake, computer generated, bad scripted, cliché movies that aims only for money making by LITERALLY grabbing young kids attention.
I mean come on, reboots everywhere for no reason for alot of movies with little to no care about storytelling.
They all like "it's a classic, let's squeeze some money out of it" star wars is a good example for that, it's now a shit show no one cares about anymore. Let's take spiderman for example, it was made almost 10 times in the last 20 years. Imagine if spiderman was made in Spielberg way or Cameron way, just like tdk trilogy. There is a very good reason why toby's trilogy is a fucking classic. Cuz it tells a story. Cgi used when needed to complement that.
The latest joker film blew everyone away, everything is on point from acting to visuals to that damn good score...
It's obvious but still people lean towards shit films and that won't change because Disney has the power to do so.
That's what he means by it became a circus.
And his concern is that in the future, maybe all films shall become like that as literally Disney is buying everything to push their agenda and their biased element of movies towards the audience.
Spot on Mr Matrin. ✌
It seems both film and music, art ...heck even communicating with others has gone into the toilet in the 21st century
Kind of disagree with you there chef. Quinton tarentino makes a lot of good films and most of those were made in the 2000. On top of that the best animated films like spirited away are made in the 2000. I will say like music there is good movies like good music you just have to look for it.
But i do agree with scorsese on the topic of marvel films. Cause you can see and feel the difference in quality
@@themasterladisaster4336 in 2019, it's MOSTLY Let's make money rather than let's tell a story. and that comes from big studios which affects the entire industry. and don't get me started with the SJW bullshit who are ruining everything from movies to series.
and i said Mostly, not all films from 2000 till today are not good lol, some of the best are made in the early 2000's uptill today.
but yeah, today there is better tech and movie library we can learn from to make better films and avoid mistakes which is a good thing.
I don't agree with you but that doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion
@@marwanashraf1394 my dude, that's some Boomer views, parasite, for example, was released in 2019 and it's a masterpiece. In that year we got a marriage story, the Irishman, the lighthouse, once upon a Time in Hollywood, uncut gems and a bunch of good movies
I'm a fan of Scorsese. But he said that Marvel film aren't 'Cinema' while Irishman wasn't released in any cinema (home streaming), but Marvel films did so.... 😅
When someone refers to movies as 'cinema', they aren't referring to the place you watch them. The term refers to the art of film. Plus the Irishman did play in certain theaters, but was pulled out early. (He probably chose to pull it out because awards season was approaching)
Aw, love Old Marty but don’t hate on Marvel and I’m old enough to remember Shark Tale & Dirty Grandpa
rdchannels that has nothing to do with Scorsese...
Danny Roqs Scorsese was in Shark Tale smart guy and if Marty wants to throw shade look no closer than Bobby D.
rdchannels you’re actually right haha I didn’t actually realize!
I'm still struggling to understand the QUESTION...
I think she was asking if we will ever have to redefine what we call cinema, as movies are constantly evolving, especially in today’s day and age
@@Inkypencil22 oh right, well to that the answer is no. A cinema is an auditorium that presents motion pictures to the public, that meaning will never change. Up until this point, the cinema has remained amongst the existence of the TV, the colour TV, VCR, DVD, BLU RAY and Digital. The cinema has house the underground and mainstream genres within movie history. I don't see that changing anytime soon especially with fandom being a much more accepted cultural trait.