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I don't know if you will see this but the apex pro has customisable actuation point too. it goes down to 1 mm, it is actually the second fastest actuating keyboard in the world.
Keyboard selection is very limited. In the comments people mentioned other models. We need more top PRO keyboards to compare because it is essential tool for PRO programmers.
I don't honestly think that the speed of my fingers was ever the bottleneck in ANYTHING I've done with a computer. None of those keyboards (except the MX keys) are boards I think I would ever want to use as a programmer. I prefer boards with a bit more utility than off the shelf gamer boards. The Logitech MX line (mouse and keyboard) are legitimately pretty amazing for the software if nothing else, but Logitech screwed up by not making it a mechanical. Pity.
I have never written code. But I am a very fast typist. I used to write reports for my previous companies and the keyboards I have used made all the difference.
@@zilliq humans are dumb and are drawn to shinny things, thus rgb is actually good. Would you be more motivated if your work office was in a ghetto, or on the top floor of a luxury skyscraper? In the latter, one would be more willing to get up early and head into the office increasing productivity.
@michael It definitely matters. When I'm helping a coworker who's a slow typer or can't touch type, I want to throw them out of their chair and type it for them.
What an awesome keyboard comparison. Straight to the issues that matter. As well as reporting on short term typing speeds, and long-term comfort. None of those stupid slow-pans, generic music soundtracks, and wasting time reading stuff from the spec sheets.
Thankyou for a solid, informed review on keyboards, based around typing! Most reviews assume a keyboard is used to play games and wish to turn my desk into a disco... I found this very informative and thought out thankyou!
7:00 "...it's late at night and you're tired and you just need that extra boost of inspiration and confidence thats' going to make you feel like a rockstar programmer " ah you're so right ! it is exactly what I look for with these keyboards !
Matt Waters you would only get noisier keyboards if you choose noisier switches. Membrane keyboards are normally louder than boards that don’t use clicky switches. You should see how quiet some people get their boards to be. The main appeal of mech keyboards besides them being a much higher quality is that you can personalize them however you like. You can choose switches that will wake up half the neighborhood, or you could go the more silent route. If you want your keystrokes to take minimal effort then you can do that, or you can choose to need a firm push in order to activate each key. The possibilities are pretty endless especially when you consider that every single key can be personalized to be completely different in a mech board. The scary part is how lost you can get in researching and customizing mech boards lol. I’ve only been talking about the switches instead of the numerous other factors including keycaps, plate material, stabilizers, and of course the almighty rgb; each of these factors and the many that I didn’t list can drastically affect the overall experience of using your mech board. I would suggest taking some time to look at r/mechanicalkeyboards to learn more and find out what you would like in a mech board.
I’ve owned all of them. My daily driver is currently the MX Keys, I preordered the G915 TKL but was pretty disappointed, nothing wrong with the keyboard itself - had higher expectations, lacking USB-C etc. Not to mention, I find RGB distracting when programming so I’d personally recommend MX Keys for the average developer / user, they even released a Mac version a few weeks ago.
If you think your keyboard isn't important now, you'll figure out how important it is (or was) when you've been typing for 30+ years. EXCELLENT review dude ... many thanks!! That Apex Pro apparently comes in different versions with different switches to suit your taste. Are some of those keyboards expensive? Yes. Is it nice not to have carpel tunnel when you're 50+ and been banging on a keyboard your whole career? YES.
RGB is not a gimmick... If you are looking for the best "biology wise" then red backlit is best. Especially if you can get the RED in wavelengths that is near infrared because those colors are used in eye recovery therapies. Certain blue light, which white often contains will damage your eyes. Plus Red light impacts circadian rhythm far less than blue light does.
To offer another perspective after watching this review, I bought the Logitech and after a couple years of use, I have to say I was really struggling with it. Over long periods of writing transcriptions, my fingers get fatigued as the actuation force is quite high, and I never got used to it. I'm a woman so I have smaller hands, and that could honestly be the reason, but I would definitely discourage other people from getting the same one if they want to type for extended periods of time. Furthermore, after about a year of strenuous use, the keyboard's N key broke, and about once every five times, it would press the letter twice (or skip it entirely.)
@@cranes2726 For me it was important to get a keyboard that would have a very low actuation force so that over time my hand didn't get fatigued and slow me down. Right now I'm using the Razer Hunstman mini with purple keys and I've never had issues with it.
I bought my brother the Razer Huntsman Elite for Christmas all because I heard about it from you. My brother loves it. I don`t have one, but I like it too, because of the sound it makes. I thought it was a pretty cool gift. Thanks!
Wow, you are the first one I've encountered that also shares the fear I experience when using a keyboard with overly sensitive actuation! I'm not alone!
This video was very helpful. Thanks very much for taking the time to post this. I'm not a gamer but I am a Mac user looking for a keyboard with more "depth" or a more solid tactile feedback so to speak. And the "Rockstar" factor you mentioned is one of the more subtle, subjective areas which is really valid. I fully agree with you there. Thanks again!
While there are keyboards out there that you might objectively call just plain bad and not suited for anyone, mostly it all comes down to personal preference. What might be the perfect keyboard for one person might be the worst keyboard for another...
@@Aomicplane true. My point is simply that the choices are endless. The odds of a mass market offering nailing YOUR ideal preferences is slim. There are good ones but if you want something tailored to your taste, build it that way.
Logitech MX Keys is hands down best keyboard from my point of view :) If they would only create a TKL version of it as well.. I've used different keyboards for 25 years... stuck with Apple keyboard for the past 10+ years after I found MX keys. The biggest problem for EU programmers/gamers is actually availability of different layouts than US - we want Nordic layout!
@@VideoGamesExtras do you want mechanical feel or a true low profile keyboard? G915 for mech feel (tactile switch) and MX keys for less wobble and more low profile.. both are really great keyboards. MX Keys should be connected via dongle not BT for less delay. G915 Lightspeed tech is brilliant!
I’m a little surprised by this review. As a professional programmer for years, I’ve relied on ergonomic keyboards and mice for work. Gaming keyboards are fine for gaming, but coding in an office environment needs more productivity focused keyboards.
@@jillting1852 For non gaming, One with tactile switches, low profile. Check out Logitech K840 to start. The G815 (lit) is nice if you like a lower profile but the shifted characters are not lit.
@@jmvasquez2312 The k840 IMO is a great KB for excel or general typing. It is no nonsense with a standard layout. You can choose your key switches also. I got the cherry brown keys and liked it. I currently am testing a Das Keyboard with Brown switches. It is amazing and I feel it is even better than the 840. The drawback is some of the keys feel a bit scratchy which is surprising considering the cost. They may wear in.
@@jmvasquez2312 the Logitech are great. I use wireless and went with the K520, now k540, with their M310 mouse set. The mouse is ambidextrous so can be used with either hand - I use mouse left hand. I especially like the keyboard as its got a number of multimedia keys for sound, video and web. I especially like the calculator key which I'm forever using. Decent amount of key travel, smooth and quiet enough key presses. No backlighting though (though for me, its white only I ever use in other keyboards). Price-wise its also pretty affordable. I've recommended this set and they've come back with very positive comments.
I’m also a developer, I don’t type this fast, And even if i could, my brain would probably not keep up with 150 wpm. I think I’m at 80 and that is when I’m trying, maybe 60-70 on average
Agreed but I think he made a fair point with the importance of travel distance, never tried the apple keyboard but I can imagine what it feels to type against a wood board for 8 hours straight. Also the importance of the actuation force for the pinkie sitting on left shift duty all day
@@zilliq I have a mech keyboard for gaming and I like typing on it vs my work keyb. It’s high profile though and wired, so I haven’t used it for work, but yeah I was not a fan until I’ve tried it. Maybe bec it’s smooth, linear
@@zilliq Hi, I'm studying Software Engineering and I want a keyboard for programming and also for gaming, and I'm really insecure in what type of switch should I go for, I'm thinking about getting a keyboard with Cherry Mx Red switches or with Cherry Mx Brown switches, do you guys have any suggestions? Thanks a lot :) P.S: I'm form Mexico so please excuse me if I have any grammar mistake, saludos 🇲🇽.
I got the logitech G815 based on your review, and I have to say the keyboard is awesome.. My only complaint is as a programmer the arrow keys are too far away.. I have to stretch my pinky constantly and it's annoying. That's my only gripe, and the distance to travel is slightly higher than I'd like from key to key which requires a little more dexterity but other than that, this is a sweet keyboard.
For me, I love my Logitech MX Keys paired with my MX Master 3. Since I work from home, I use Logitech's Flow feature to swiftly move from my desktop to my work laptop throughout the day. The keyboard itself is so comfortable to type on and the mouse is near perfect to me.
Wonderful wonderful video. Only true lovers of computers, programming/coding and high quality tools know what a gem this video is. Thorough, quantitative (your tests and metrics) and at the same time sensitive (to the subtle joys of using a high quality tool). Thank you very much for this video and wish you all the best @TechLead . I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate your videos
+Joy Mae - Millennial Money Talk Facts, that is our weapon of choice. The first Logitech he showed is prob the best one out of all the keyboards in video.
@@ApexierGS Nope, I haven't. To be honest, I treat keyboards like appliances: I want a pretty, functional one, and I don't want to mess around much. The Ultimate has the exact feature set I wanted, and it was money well spent. The only thing I'd change would be getting rid of the blue LEDs.
@@MarkRose1337 hmmm, ok then, because I looked at DAS keyboards back in 2015 and I could not justify the price tag of $200+ for the simple keyboard with few features, and the cheap build quality which can be found on any $40 keyboard or better today. I tried hard to find the magic sauce behind the price tag, but in the end I gave up and bought a simple Tesoro fullsize keyboard with Kailh blue mx switches and blue backlight for $70. I was super happy with the purchase. I use it for my CAD workstation with all the terminal shortcuts, and all my interoffice communications. I modded it with thicker aftermarket keycaps, then the lighting from blue to white LED, and then the switches themselves. I had the urge to do little mods as stepping stones, and it opened my mind to all the mech-keyboard options. It has been a fun journey since 2015, just like building PCs or woodworking.
G915 TKL rules them all. worth every penny, especially if you code. solid build, inspiring styling, great feel, connects instantly even on macs. this man is speaking the truth and saved the best for last. i knew he would pick the G915 as the winner as soon as he showed it on screen. previous comment is hilarious and so true.
Yes I own a G915 TKL and a G502 Lightspeed mouse perfect combo for workflow and gaming only gets better with an occasional extra numbpad placed on the left of the keyboard and of course an Elgato Streamdeck within reach
If what you're looking for is a low profile mechanical keyboard, you should try out the Keycrhon K1, which is a low profile keyboard with a wireless mode, with gateron low profile switches, in addition to that is almost half the price of those other keyboards in the showcase. Hope this helps a little. Greetings!
Thank you so much for the detailed keyboard comparison. I was going for the MX keyboard but now I am leaning toward the G915...great work and please produce more tech clips!
Loved this type of video! Can you do something where you compare the different IDE's that you've used? This isn't something that i've seen done before.
Watching this made me glad to buy an MK typist- can't wait to try it out. There seems to be different tiers of how in-depth reviewers go into keyboards, but it looks like the top-tier consumer boards are something like ducky or leopold.
Props to you for not being sponsored. I know nothing about programming/coding but I subbed just because you didn't accept any free product for this comparison/review.
I like the Ducky keyboards they're excellent quality, however they're quite hard to get in Europe and America, since there made in Taiwan and only really distributed in Asia. I had to wait like 3 months for a single one to be in stock in my country.
Yeah, Shine 7 is missing in this video. Actually Ducky is to my knowledge the only company producing great keyboards with double shot keycaps and german layout.
Super comprehensive review, beautifully done! Just so expensive but if you type 9am to 5pm, and beyond, probably gotta give your fingers / health this added boost and comfort, no?
Most of these keyboards are gaming keyboard. In fact, their keycaps and switches aren't good. You can try some custom keyboards and I think you will through all your keyboards away soon. The sound and the feel are in different level and tons of swiches to put in your keyboard.
Man this was professionell. Never thought of so many things for a keyboard. I thought RGB and so on is for kids. But I got your point. Written with a 15 € Microsoft keyboard.
I had a very similar experience with the Mx Keys. The key layout is great; however, after a couple of weeks of using it I felt my fingers were getting tired very easily.
Totally agree, I've a G915 too and I realized that the day I receive it, that speed while typing... at the beginning is a bit weird but hey, you get used in few minutes, it's amazing! Of course, tactile switches too
If Programmers were Avengers, this guy will be "Shang-Chi" ... instead of 10 rings, his weapon of choice will be the SteelSeries Apex Pro TKL! ... I mean, who wouldn't like lit up keyboards like spinning rings at 170 wpm!
@@MpSniperM1911 no they are not. I tried ubuntu linux it still sucks. no support for everything and you have to learn to programme just to use the operating system. the command thing etc. just give me a good gui that gets out of the way. windows has that. apple too, but they cripple their systems too much .
@@snorttroll4379 learn to use simple terminal commands and then write your experience with linux again. Ubuntu is weird in my opinion, you still have to download some stuff like "gnome-tweak-tool" and "dconf-editor" to truly change your desktop, but hey at least i gave you 2 GUI programs that greatly improve your desktop since you can change what you want. I don't use ubuntu anymore. I'm using manjaro gnome now and this distro is ending my distro hopping "problem" And what i mean the part that is getting better is controlling custom RGB on keyboards, since it didn't had before and now you can change and program it
@@MpSniperM1911 implement the terminal commands into the gui of the operating system and I will be trying it out again. one driver problem and I am out again. But I get you. Linux is better if you know what you are doing.
@@snorttroll4379 yeah but seems like people that go to linux is more leaning to do math stuff and not much or even none art stuff, so they won't make a good GUI anytime soon and by soon i mean like next month, excluding the already existing ones like KDE which have more options to change than GNOME stock with ubuntu. But like i said ubuntu is weird one, stuff that i don't have to do in manjaro i have to spend few minutes in pain just to get to work since i'm still a noob in this thing. Arch linux made some stuff really easy, my first experience with linux was with Linux Mint and mint is simple enough and i at the time i was satisfied about everything i could do in the GUI, only later i tried to use ubuntu and then manjaro. Just don't use ubuntu without the will to learn some stuff or 30 stuff, mint is easier, any distro with KDE desktop environment is good but i still think it need some polish
I recently bought a ducky one sf2 rgb for €150 + wristrest. I love my linear Cherry MX reds exchanged my keycaps for some pudding hyper x double shot pbt keys. Working feels great when your hardware is pleasing to look at and feels comfortable for you. Investing in proper hardware is worth it. For ergonomics also run a logitech MX Vertical it's expensive but worth the money
Dude, this is baby stuff. Ergodox EZ. Tented, ergo, split, fully reprogrammable keys, 32 programmable layers (think layer 2 with keypad under right hand and arrows under left, layer 3 with all coding brackets etc), user changeable switches, ortholinear, blank keys (optional pro choice), under keyboard RGB, visual configurator. It's not 'next level' it's 10 levels up. Couple with Autohotkey for even more power. You're messing with an 1890 typewriter there, literally. Like comparing horse harnesses when you could buy a Tesla.
@@andrew_li Well the end game is full programmability and layers with unprinted key caps. Essentially infinitely configurable layouts (and boy, do I tweak it a lot)
The Deviant Developer IDW Podcast That's very true. I also use 2 extra layers activated by the tab key and the caps key. I also use blank keys which tbh is more for aesthetic for me :). Though it definitely doesn't hurt to invest in a layout that is overall more ergonomic and comfortable to use ^^
I really wanted to get the MX Keys but now I'm rethinking it... As a programmer knowing that I'll be using the keyboard for many hours a week, I don't know if it's worth it if you say the keys start to feel heavy.
You should try the HHKB, or the happy Hacking Keyboard: it has 35g switches which is SUPER light, and my normal wpm is around 70-80, my wpm with the HHKB is 80-100
I think it's great too and it's what I use but I write code for Linux on Linux. If I were a gamer or used a mouse a lot I would not be so happy. If I used Apple I'd be more image conscious and prefer something that looked good over something that worked so I'd probably go with the Apple keyboard.
The Logitech G815 is still my goto keyboard. The sound and feel is still amazing after years of use. Downside - keys can come off easily. So don't get any cords underneath the keys, else they will pop off.
Lovely video! Very well done. MX Keys has been my daily driver for a few months... after going wireless it's hard to go back. I don't mind chiclet but the issue with MX Keys is that it's full size, which eats up desk space for mouse movement. Just like wireless, once you go TKL, you can't go back. There is no 'productivity' type of keyboard that is wireless + TKL. G915 has two problems as you rightly point out, micro-USB and cheap ABS keycaps that rattle a lot... assume price is not a concern. Why can't there be a perfect wireless + TKL?
@@emilioguerrero3964 Mx keys mini is not TKL, it's a productivity-oriented compact keyboard... just look at the arrow keys. Granted, no one should expect a productivity keyboard to have a TKL layout, it's more for gamers.
4:41 nononononono, macOS itself support function keys remapping. you can remap control, option, command, caps lock and shift key on Mac with every supported input device(keyboards specifically).
You should try an *_Iqunix_* keyboard if you can ever get your hands on one. They are a bit expensive (especially considering they use Cherry switches) but the keyboard and the keycaps are incredibly high quality. Moreover, they got multiple colour-coded styles that make sure you will never have a boring desk! They aren't overdone luckily, so even when they got a playful scheme going on they still look professional. And ofc the typing is quite nice since, wel, it comes with a cherry mx switch of your choosing.
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Make video for monitors too!
I don't know if you will see this but the apex pro
has customisable actuation point too. it goes down to 1 mm, it is actually the second fastest actuating keyboard in the world.
Check out DasKeyboard 4 w/brown switches.
WE NEED A SYNTAX COLORING REVIEW
Keyboard selection is very limited. In the comments people mentioned other models. We need more top PRO keyboards to compare because it is essential tool for PRO programmers.
Which one will copy code faster from Stackoverflow
I think u should start looking for a mouse
@@mushyclicks2028 Real Stackoverflow Copy-Pasters Don't Use Mouse. That's why they're so leet. ;)
@@JohnDoe-qz9ji Of everything! CPU! SSD! Internet! Quantum Computing! Even Microsoft FS 2020 at Ultra! :D
😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@JohnDoe-qz9ji remember that razer chroma is best but you will have to use some oil on middle button.
I'll just take the one that's tears-proof
I don't get it. Tears from coding?
@@solidwaterslayer Must be lol
wrap it in saran wrap?
Tears from depression?
Use a keyboard with Kailh box switches. It's rated for IP58. None of your tears or maybe coffee splash will ever get inside of the switches. lol
I wish the speed of my fingers was the bottleneck in my coding ...
I don't honestly think that the speed of my fingers was ever the bottleneck in ANYTHING I've done with a computer.
None of those keyboards (except the MX keys) are boards I think I would ever want to use as a programmer. I prefer boards with a bit more utility than off the shelf gamer boards.
The Logitech MX line (mouse and keyboard) are legitimately pretty amazing for the software if nothing else, but Logitech screwed up by not making it a mechanical. Pity.
Lol - if only I could code like they do in the movies... :D
I have never written code. But I am a very fast typist. I used to write reports for my previous companies and the keyboards I have used made all the difference.
@@alicenien5015 did u use TeX?
@@bradarnett8632 have you seen Keychrons keyboards? They have best of both worlds plus loads of functionality
*this man takes “RGB makes you faster” seriously*
That's untrue, he said "RGB will inspire you", which is as dumb a take as "makes you faster" though
@@zilliq humans are dumb and are drawn to shinny things, thus rgb is actually good. Would you be more motivated if your work office was in a ghetto, or on the top floor of a luxury skyscraper? In the latter, one would be more willing to get up early and head into the office increasing productivity.
@@pluto8404 well in the first one you have a reason to work yourself out of there I guess :D
@@pluto8404 all i'm really taking from this comment is "just buya keyboard that you think looks good lel"
it was satirical
“you can put it in your backpack and take it to the cafe”
*I do not want to spill coffee on a $220 keyboard*
well, maybe if it's expensive coffee
Right!
Don't spill your coffee ☕ then.
“So I can do 150 wpm with this but it’s not enough...” Me: cries in 50 wpm
i can only do 35wpm
I can do only 60😭
I never even knew WPM matters when writing code. How many words does a typical Python list comprehension constitute?
mine 40wpm 😞
@michael It definitely matters. When I'm helping a coworker who's a slow typer or can't touch type, I want to throw them out of their chair and type it for them.
I use Windows 10's on-screen keyboard. It's free. No RGB, though.
You paid for your mouse.. haha. Or do you have a touch screen
There are always “rgb” in pixels of your screen where your screen keyboard is
@@KeepAnOpenMind yep. I too love black rgb
@@KeepAnOpenMind No those are red, green, blue subpixels. RGB is the high tech external lighting that comes on pro programmer computer hardware.
171 wph
1:35 Standart Apple Magic Keyboard
2:58 Razer Huntsman
5:06 Logitech MX Keys
7:21 Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition
9:09 SteelSeries Apex Pro
12:01 Logitech G915
The Logitech G915 is loud when you're clicking
Apple has nothing to do with art
Is there a version of the g915 that doesn't rattle?
Legend.
ah yes the standart apple magic keyboard, fairly standart but starting off strong, have a nice day standart Yana T
"With great sensitivity comes great typos".
- TechLead.
1:08
"The keyboard is the way we interact with the world"
I felt that one
You look like Seth Rogan
@@dannykth1 you look like Lion
Tech lead : I have 800$ dollars worth of keyboards
r/mechanicalkeyboards: .... So only one kb?
That's almost the price for just a GMK keycap set like Mizu lmao
Ruben Sousa are you sure about that
@@sakurakos88 yeah that's like way overblown (unless you're talking about the aftermarket that is)
@@jacksmile6669 yes in mechmarket
Yeah and two of them are logitech junk. The apple keyboard is not great. What no full mechanicals?
What an awesome keyboard comparison. Straight to the issues that matter. As well as reporting on short term typing speeds, and long-term comfort.
None of those stupid slow-pans, generic music soundtracks, and wasting time reading stuff from the spec sheets.
Thankyou for a solid, informed review on keyboards, based around typing! Most reviews assume a keyboard is used to play games and wish to turn my desk into a disco... I found this very informative and thought out thankyou!
7:00 "...it's late at night and you're tired and you just need that extra boost of inspiration and confidence thats' going to make you feel like a rockstar programmer " ah you're so right ! it is exactly what I look for with these keyboards !
You mean parsing raw data in Clojure is not inspiration enough?
Just wait until he discovers r/mechanicalkeyboard. "How I built a Mechanical Keyboard (as a Millionaire)
What is the appeal of mechanical keyboards? seems they are just noisier
Matt Waters you would only get noisier keyboards if you choose noisier switches. Membrane keyboards are normally louder than boards that don’t use clicky switches. You should see how quiet some people get their boards to be. The main appeal of mech keyboards besides them being a much higher quality is that you can personalize them however you like. You can choose switches that will wake up half the neighborhood, or you could go the more silent route. If you want your keystrokes to take minimal effort then you can do that, or you can choose to need a firm push in order to activate each key. The possibilities are pretty endless especially when you consider that every single key can be personalized to be completely different in a mech board. The scary part is how lost you can get in researching and customizing mech boards lol. I’ve only been talking about the switches instead of the numerous other factors including keycaps, plate material, stabilizers, and of course the almighty rgb; each of these factors and the many that I didn’t list can drastically affect the overall experience of using your mech board. I would suggest taking some time to look at r/mechanicalkeyboards to learn more and find out what you would like in a mech board.
@@xander_allen thanks. That was pretty informative.
Matt Waters np
r/mk is for morons, r/ck is for true customs
In most cases your speed is not the bottleneck in coding.
It propably is the code itself especially when coding while thinking 😉
For sure! But when your code or your message breaks upon your uncomfortable and byggy typocal keyboard it gets clear how important this interface is.
My first TechLead video, didn't know what I got myself into but I'm glad I did😂
He's addictive
I’ve owned all of them. My daily driver is currently the MX Keys, I preordered the G915 TKL but was pretty disappointed, nothing wrong with the keyboard itself - had higher expectations, lacking USB-C etc. Not to mention, I find RGB distracting when programming so I’d personally recommend MX Keys for the average developer / user, they even released a Mac version a few weeks ago.
does it make your finger tired after few weeks of working as the reviewer said
Can't wait for, "Top Programming Mouse Pads for 2020 (as a Millionaire)."
mousepad is the foundation of all your movement, don't go into battle unprepared.
Best comment
He isn't a millionaire.
Flat clicker
If you think your keyboard isn't important now, you'll figure out how important it is (or was) when you've been typing for 30+ years.
EXCELLENT review dude ... many thanks!! That Apex Pro apparently comes in different versions with different switches to suit your taste.
Are some of those keyboards expensive? Yes. Is it nice not to have carpel tunnel when you're 50+ and been banging on a keyboard your whole career? YES.
sooo if we use cheap keyboard what we miss?
chronic finger pain lmao 😂😁
Switching to a better layout than QWERTY will help much more than changing the feeling of the buttons.
apex pro doesnt have different switches, u mean the apex 7?
@@Rubindy Yeah, I'm not sure why the TKL version is called the Apex 7 vs. just the TKL version of the Pro?
@@andrewpoloni4197 the apex 7 comes in blue, brown, red and apex pro and tkl with only omni switches afaik
RGB is not a gimmick... If you are looking for the best "biology wise" then red backlit is best. Especially if you can get the RED in wavelengths that is near infrared because those colors are used in eye recovery therapies. Certain blue light, which white often contains will damage your eyes. Plus Red light impacts circadian rhythm far less than blue light does.
To offer another perspective after watching this review, I bought the Logitech and after a couple years of use, I have to say I was really struggling with it. Over long periods of writing transcriptions, my fingers get fatigued as the actuation force is quite high, and I never got used to it. I'm a woman so I have smaller hands, and that could honestly be the reason, but I would definitely discourage other people from getting the same one if they want to type for extended periods of time. Furthermore, after about a year of strenuous use, the keyboard's N key broke, and about once every five times, it would press the letter twice (or skip it entirely.)
thanks.... I just wanted to get this keyboard but it seems no to be as good. Maybe nowadays there are better keyboards.
curious what keyboard are you using now? thanks
@@cranes2726 For me it was important to get a keyboard that would have a very low actuation force so that over time my hand didn't get fatigued and slow me down. Right now I'm using the Razer Hunstman mini with purple keys and I've never had issues with it.
@@MilMike it depends on if you think 50g actuation force is high for your use
I bought my brother the Razer Huntsman Elite for Christmas all because I heard about it from you. My brother loves it. I don`t have one, but I like it too, because of the sound it makes. I thought it was a pretty cool gift. Thanks!
Wow, you are the first one I've encountered that also shares the fear I experience when using a keyboard with overly sensitive actuation! I'm not alone!
yeah, I do have left hands pinky issues because of "tab", "shift" and "ctrl".
It's why I stopped using gateron clears and switched to blues. Far less fatfingering and the tactile feedback feels really nice, imo.
How to breathe ?
TechLead - " Well as an ex-google , ex-facebook employee, let me tell you...."
RGB! your breathing must have RGB!
You really do the best reviews for Coders! Please never stop this channel.
This video was very helpful. Thanks very much for taking the time to post this. I'm not a gamer but I am a Mac user looking for a keyboard with more "depth" or a more solid tactile feedback so to speak. And the "Rockstar" factor you mentioned is one of the more subtle, subjective areas which is really valid. I fully agree with you there. Thanks again!
Pros:
Everything
Cons:
Sounds like jellybeans.
Not to mention it's $200.
It’s not thatttt bad for something you use for 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week.
that's why he recommended it. because it sounds like jellybeans.
@@viperrius not a problem when you're a millionaire
The perfect keyboard is likely not one of the mainstream offerings. There is a world of options out there.
While there are keyboards out there that you might objectively call just plain bad and not suited for anyone, mostly it all comes down to personal preference. What might be the perfect keyboard for one person might be the worst keyboard for another...
@@Aomicplane true. My point is simply that the choices are endless. The odds of a mass market offering nailing YOUR ideal preferences is slim. There are good ones but if you want something tailored to your taste, build it that way.
Logitech MX Keys is hands down best keyboard from my point of view :) If they would only create a TKL version of it as well.. I've used different keyboards for 25 years... stuck with Apple keyboard for the past 10+ years after I found MX keys.
The biggest problem for EU programmers/gamers is actually availability of different layouts than US - we want Nordic layout!
They had launched MX mini
@@gradientO actually moved to Logitech G915 TKL (white) and loving it.. friend bought that new MX mini and likes it as well 👌
@@ch3m1c should I get the mx keys or the g915 tkl?
@@VideoGamesExtras do you want mechanical feel or a true low profile keyboard? G915 for mech feel (tactile switch) and MX keys for less wobble and more low profile.. both are really great keyboards. MX Keys should be connected via dongle not BT for less delay. G915 Lightspeed tech is brilliant!
I’m a little surprised by this review. As a professional programmer for years, I’ve relied on ergonomic keyboards and mice for work. Gaming keyboards are fine for gaming, but coding in an office environment needs more productivity focused keyboards.
So which keyboard u use?
@@jillting1852 For non gaming, One with tactile switches, low profile. Check out Logitech K840 to start. The G815 (lit) is nice if you like a lower profile but the shifted characters are not lit.
@@kenmtb would you recommend k840 for excel work? Need a keyboard perfect for excel
@@jmvasquez2312 The k840 IMO is a great KB for excel or general typing. It is no nonsense with a standard layout. You can choose your key switches also. I got the cherry brown keys and liked it. I currently am testing a Das Keyboard with Brown switches. It is amazing and I feel it is even better than the 840. The drawback is some of the keys feel a bit scratchy which is surprising considering the cost. They may wear in.
@@jmvasquez2312 the Logitech are great. I use wireless and went with the K520, now k540, with their M310 mouse set. The mouse is ambidextrous so can be used with either hand - I use mouse left hand. I especially like the keyboard as its got a number of multimedia keys for sound, video and web. I especially like the calculator key which I'm forever using. Decent amount of key travel, smooth and quiet enough key presses. No backlighting though (though for me, its white only I ever use in other keyboards). Price-wise its also pretty affordable.
I've recommended this set and they've come back with very positive comments.
I’m also a developer, I don’t type this fast, And even if i could, my brain would probably not keep up with 150 wpm. I think I’m at 80 and that is when I’m trying, maybe 60-70 on average
Agreed but I think he made a fair point with the importance of travel distance, never tried the apple keyboard but I can imagine what it feels to type against a wood board for 8 hours straight. Also the importance of the actuation force for the pinkie sitting on left shift duty all day
@@zilliq I have a mech keyboard for gaming and I like typing on it vs my work keyb. It’s high profile though and wired, so I haven’t used it for work, but yeah I was not a fan until I’ve tried it. Maybe bec it’s smooth, linear
@@zilliq programmers don’t spend their days typing. Not 8 hours at least.
@@zilliq Hi, I'm studying Software Engineering and I want a keyboard for programming and also for gaming, and I'm really insecure in what type of switch should I go for, I'm thinking about getting a keyboard with Cherry Mx Red switches or with Cherry Mx Brown switches, do you guys have any suggestions? Thanks a lot :)
P.S: I'm form Mexico so please excuse me if I have any grammar mistake, saludos 🇲🇽.
@@cea0611 probably a bit late but I really like mx browns because they're just a tad less sensitive than reds. Good for typing
just got a G915 as a birthday present and so far I'm pretty happy with it
I got the logitech G815 based on your review, and I have to say the keyboard is awesome.. My only complaint is as a programmer the arrow keys are too far away.. I have to stretch my pinky constantly and it's annoying. That's my only gripe, and the distance to travel is slightly higher than I'd like from key to key which requires a little more dexterity but other than that, this is a sweet keyboard.
You can remap command and option keys under System Preferences - Keyboard - Modifier Keys.
No need for Karabiner.
noice, thanks for the tip!
Karabiner is useful and needed for other reasons as well.
"The keyboard is the way in which we interact with the world" Right in the feels man...
For me, I love my Logitech MX Keys paired with my MX Master 3. Since I work from home, I use Logitech's Flow feature to swiftly move from my desktop to my work laptop throughout the day. The keyboard itself is so comfortable to type on and the mouse is near perfect to me.
Wonderful wonderful video. Only true lovers of computers, programming/coding and high quality tools know what a gem this video is. Thorough, quantitative (your tests and metrics) and at the same time sensitive (to the subtle joys of using a high quality tool). Thank you very much for this video and wish you all the best @TechLead . I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate your videos
Just purchased the Linear for programming. Nice to know you made this your pick! Heading over to check out your fav mouse. Thanks!
Meanwhile, me, a virgin programmer, is writing code on MacBook’s “elevator buttons” keyboard on daily basis.
I'm coding on my phone on leetcode website
am coding on toaster
I was coding on a c64
The keyboard is what we do to go into battle everyday LOL
"Where are fortunes are made with "
Speaking from a true engineer he is not kidding. Trust me when you spent 12 hours a day to program
+Joy Mae - Millennial Money Talk Facts, that is our weapon of choice. The first Logitech he showed is prob the best one out of all the keyboards in video.
@@motif5775 Code is Code! You need a good keyboard to avoid mistakes
@@joymae I agree 👍. I didnt know how beneficial a good keyboard was until I purchased one.
I really enjoy my Das Keyboard 4 Ultimate with Cherry MX Blues. It's such a joy to type on that sometimes I just want to type for no reason at all.
But have you tried Kailh BoxWhites switches?? They are clicky bliss. You could be missing out
@@ApexierGS Nope, I haven't. To be honest, I treat keyboards like appliances: I want a pretty, functional one, and I don't want to mess around much. The Ultimate has the exact feature set I wanted, and it was money well spent. The only thing I'd change would be getting rid of the blue LEDs.
Mark Rose honestly if you are gonna treat a keyboard as an appliance then you should sell your crappy das and build your own keyboard
@@MarkRose1337 hmmm, ok then, because I looked at DAS keyboards back in 2015 and I could not justify the price tag of $200+ for the simple keyboard with few features, and the cheap build quality which can be found on any $40 keyboard or better today.
I tried hard to find the magic sauce behind the price tag, but in the end I gave up and bought a simple Tesoro fullsize keyboard with Kailh blue mx switches and blue backlight for $70. I was super happy with the purchase. I use it for my CAD workstation with all the terminal shortcuts, and all my interoffice communications.
I modded it with thicker aftermarket keycaps, then the lighting from blue to white LED, and then the switches themselves. I had the urge to do little mods as stepping stones, and it opened my mind to all the mech-keyboard options. It has been a fun journey since 2015, just like building PCs or woodworking.
I love my Das Keyboard too. It’s odd he didn’t try one
G915 TKL rules them all. worth every penny, especially if you code. solid build, inspiring styling, great feel, connects instantly even on macs.
this man is speaking the truth and saved the best for last.
i knew he would pick the G915 as the winner as soon as he showed it on screen.
previous comment is hilarious and so true.
Yes I own a G915 TKL and a G502 Lightspeed mouse perfect combo for workflow and gaming only gets better with an occasional extra numbpad placed on the left of the keyboard and of course an Elgato Streamdeck within reach
Used all of them shown here? How to decide
dude... motivational keyboard speaker... Not even a programmer but now I'm about to deep dive in to keyboards...
If what you're looking for is a low profile mechanical keyboard, you should try out the Keycrhon K1, which is a low profile keyboard with a wireless mode, with gateron low profile switches, in addition to that is almost half the price of those other keyboards in the showcase. Hope this helps a little.
Greetings!
"none of this is sponsored, I bought all of this keyboards with my own money"
of course, because you're a millionaire.
))
@@sergeimaslovskiy ;
resold on ebay with 10% more because it has been touched by the techlead himself, A penny saved is a penny earned.
But he gets money from the purchases. Look at the video's description. What a sellout.
real millionaires use other peoples money.
If you, as a programmer, can’t afford a $200 keyboard, typing speed is not your biggest concern.
yeah! so you should spend $2000 keyboard (a custom keyboard, along with fancy keycaps set)
If you, as a programmer, can't afford a $2M keyboard during a pandemic...
@@amanlearnscode why are there always people who love to exaggerate things... 200 is not 2000.
@@amanlearnscode Dude, you failed at basic math class, right?
Thank you so much for the detailed keyboard comparison. I was going for the MX keyboard but now I am leaning toward the G915...great work and please produce more tech clips!
"the linear keys just go down smoothly and tend to be quieter"
*clack clack clack CLACK CLACK CLACK*
"How much are you willing to pay for inspiration and confidence?" omg
Loved this type of video! Can you do something where you compare the different IDE's that you've used? This isn't something that i've seen done before.
Thank you for the video. I appreciate all of the details and hard work.
Watching this made me glad to buy an MK typist- can't wait to try it out. There seems to be different tiers of how in-depth reviewers go into keyboards, but it looks like the top-tier consumer boards are something like ducky or leopold.
i'm really thankful .
i bought the razer huntsman yesterday depending on your opinion.
it's really comfortable even after a long hours of coding .
Hey Techlead. I think the title should be, 'Top 10 Keyboards for (Millionaire) Programmers'
For $800 going full custom would allow tuning of acoustics, typing feel, and aesthetics
I approve my current keyboard is 800$ for one full custom 😂
Props to you for not being sponsored. I know nothing about programming/coding but I subbed just because you didn't accept any free product for this comparison/review.
Wtffffff, why is no one talking about how quick he types?
@Ziggi Mon true, still it impresses the hell outta me
@Plo Gaet yep
why question him. he's techlead. and moreover, he's a millionaire
@@cedrickvstheworld1810 true
How do you know.what he's typing makes sense? 😁
I like the Ducky keyboards they're excellent quality, however they're quite hard to get in Europe and America, since there made in Taiwan and only really distributed in Asia. I had to wait like 3 months for a single one to be in stock in my country.
Yeah, Shine 7 is missing in this video. Actually Ducky is to my knowledge the only company producing great keyboards with double shot keycaps and german layout.
I have a Ducky One 2 Mini I use at home, now for WFH. At work I use a generic mech keyboard with reds. Duckys are fine for the price.
@@brenlouissurio2404 Yeah I have the Ducky One 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns. It was worth the 3 month wait.
Best keyboard for programmers would be the Realforce R2 RGB/No RGB(depends on user) TLK from Topre.
Super comprehensive review, beautifully done! Just so expensive but if you type 9am to 5pm, and beyond, probably gotta give your fingers / health this added boost and comfort, no?
I see my guy techlead is working on that biceps 💪🏻
chcpr1 lmao 🤣 he’s left handed
Wow. I really had no idea such consideration went into keyboards!
Most of these keyboards are gaming keyboard. In fact, their keycaps and switches aren't good. You can try some custom keyboards and I think you will through all your keyboards away soon. The sound and the feel are in different level and tons of swiches to put in your keyboard.
You are amazing 🙂 I haven't seen so thorough and clear test and explanation 🙂
your typing speed was so sick bro ! i wish i can be like that oneday
Man this was professionell. Never thought of so many things for a keyboard.
I thought RGB and so on is for kids. But I got your point.
Written with a 15 € Microsoft keyboard.
I had a very similar experience with the Mx Keys. The key layout is great; however, after a couple of weeks of using it I felt my fingers were getting tired very easily.
Agreed.
@@kimitaby A'am absolutely agreed with us
A moment of silence for all the programmers using the magic keyboard
"With great power there must also come great responsibility"
With great power comes great electricity bill.
Spiderman
I just bought the Logitech G915 for a hundred quid (50% discount) in the amazon prime day sale, very excited to see it arrive tomorrow! 😃
3:15 those typing are either so good or edited😂
Totally agree, I've a G915 too and I realized that the day I receive it, that speed while typing... at the beginning is a bit weird but hey, you get used in few minutes, it's amazing! Of course, tactile switches too
If Programmers were Avengers, this guy will be "Shang-Chi" ... instead of 10 rings, his weapon of choice will be the SteelSeries Apex Pro TKL! ... I mean, who wouldn't like lit up keyboards like spinning rings at 170 wpm!
good review thank you very much. typing this with the g915 because of your review.
Thank you for this video! I was just searching Amazon for a better keyboard. Perfect timing, great video! 👏🏽🙏🏽
Techlead: ...no support for mac...
Me: *cries in linux*
at least things are getting better comparing to some years ago
@@MpSniperM1911 no they are not. I tried ubuntu linux it still sucks. no support for everything and you have to learn to programme just to use the operating system. the command thing etc. just give me a good gui that gets out of the way. windows has that. apple too, but they cripple their systems too much .
@@snorttroll4379 learn to use simple terminal commands and then write your experience with linux again.
Ubuntu is weird in my opinion, you still have to download some stuff like "gnome-tweak-tool" and "dconf-editor" to truly change your desktop, but hey at least i gave you 2 GUI programs that greatly improve your desktop since you can change what you want. I don't use ubuntu anymore. I'm using manjaro gnome now and this distro is ending my distro hopping "problem"
And what i mean the part that is getting better is controlling custom RGB on keyboards, since it didn't had before and now you can change and program it
@@MpSniperM1911 implement the terminal commands into the gui of the operating system and I will be trying it out again. one driver problem and I am out again. But I get you. Linux is better if you know what you are doing.
@@snorttroll4379 yeah but seems like people that go to linux is more leaning to do math stuff and not much or even none art stuff, so they won't make a good GUI anytime soon and by soon i mean like next month, excluding the already existing ones like KDE which have more options to change than GNOME stock with ubuntu.
But like i said ubuntu is weird one, stuff that i don't have to do in manjaro i have to spend few minutes in pain just to get to work since i'm still a noob in this thing. Arch linux made some stuff really easy, my first experience with linux was with Linux Mint and mint is simple enough and i at the time i was satisfied about everything i could do in the GUI, only later i tried to use ubuntu and then manjaro. Just don't use ubuntu without the will to learn some stuff or 30 stuff, mint is easier, any distro with KDE desktop environment is good but i still think it need some polish
The tech lead doesn't need a keyboard, the keyboard needs the tech lead!
I recently bought a ducky one sf2 rgb for €150 + wristrest. I love my linear Cherry MX reds exchanged my keycaps for some pudding hyper x double shot pbt keys. Working feels great when your hardware is pleasing to look at and feels comfortable for you. Investing in proper hardware is worth it. For ergonomics also run a logitech MX Vertical it's expensive but worth the money
3:26 *licks lips while typing keys*
Lmao bro he done said like a hundred words prolly had dry lips 🤣
i lick my index finger before pressing Enter
Dude, this is baby stuff.
Ergodox EZ. Tented, ergo, split, fully reprogrammable keys, 32 programmable layers (think layer 2 with keypad under right hand and arrows under left, layer 3 with all coding brackets etc), user changeable switches, ortholinear, blank keys (optional pro choice), under keyboard RGB, visual configurator.
It's not 'next level' it's 10 levels up. Couple with Autohotkey for even more power.
You're messing with an 1890 typewriter there, literally. Like comparing horse harnesses when you could buy a Tesla.
Never mind that there's a whole community specialising in alternative keyboard layouts.
@@andrew_li Well the end game is full programmability and layers with unprinted key caps.
Essentially infinitely configurable layouts (and boy, do I tweak it a lot)
The Deviant Developer IDW Podcast
That's very true. I also use 2 extra layers activated by the tab key and the caps key. I also use blank keys which tbh is more for aesthetic for me :). Though it definitely doesn't hurt to invest in a layout that is overall more ergonomic and comfortable to use ^^
@@andrew_li Yeah the ortholinear works much better for the number pad too (cause it's a grid like a number pad)
I just "code" vba as a hobby and already found that TKL is so cumbersome. Can't believe professional programmers use them.
thanks...that was the best analysis yet...thanks for just being straight and to the point without trying to be entertaining....
I really wanted to get the MX Keys but now I'm rethinking it... As a programmer knowing that I'll be using the keyboard for many hours a week, I don't know if it's worth it if you say the keys start to feel heavy.
you should look into custom mechanical keyboards, mx switches aren't that great tbf, there's a subreddit called "r/mechanicalkeyboards"
Logitech MX is silent. You need that when you are on a call or conference
yeah, mx keys is pretty nice!
8:57 "coding on prod"
What good does it do to play with our nerves, TechLead?
I had to rewind to verify I’d heard correctly that he threw in a bit of dry humor there, I wonder how many others noticed that?
i love when he says its a exciting lineup with no reaction.
I just bought a full G815 clicky. It is beautiful. My Huntsman Elite clicky is also beautiful.
This man needs to know about the custom mechanical keyboard world
You should try the HHKB, or the happy Hacking Keyboard: it has 35g switches which is SUPER light, and my normal wpm is around 70-80, my wpm with the HHKB is 80-100
I think it's great too and it's what I use but I write code for Linux on Linux. If I were a gamer or used a mouse a lot I would not be so happy. If I used Apple I'd be more image conscious and prefer something that looked good over something that worked so I'd probably go with the Apple keyboard.
The Logitech G815 is still my goto keyboard. The sound and feel is still amazing after years of use. Downside - keys can come off easily. So don't get any cords underneath the keys, else they will pop off.
Wow! Fantastic review!
I have ADD, and I have watched this video so many times. I learn something new everytime. :D
"I've been compiling a lot of keyboards" that's when you know someone is obsessed with coding.
or with making profit youtube videos about keyboards w/out a numeric keypad.
Lovely video! Very well done. MX Keys has been my daily driver for a few months... after going wireless it's hard to go back. I don't mind chiclet but the issue with MX Keys is that it's full size, which eats up desk space for mouse movement. Just like wireless, once you go TKL, you can't go back. There is no 'productivity' type of keyboard that is wireless + TKL. G915 has two problems as you rightly point out, micro-USB and cheap ABS keycaps that rattle a lot... assume price is not a concern. Why can't there be a perfect wireless + TKL?
You should give a look to Mx keys mini
@@emilioguerrero3964 Mx keys mini is not TKL, it's a productivity-oriented compact keyboard... just look at the arrow keys. Granted, no one should expect a productivity keyboard to have a TKL layout, it's more for gamers.
4:41 nononononono, macOS itself support function keys remapping. you can remap control, option, command, caps lock and shift key on Mac with every supported input device(keyboards specifically).
Who would have thought, speaking about keyboards could be so interesting! Gee wee! Listened to he very bit of it, holy moly man
Get a custom mechanical keyboard.
@NRG you can checkout the r/mechanicalkeyboards subreddit. There's a guide there on how to get into the hobby.
sure! all keyboards in this video are suck compared to custom mechanical keyboards from KBDFans, Matrix Lab, Rama, TX, ...
@@amanlearnscode Exactly
Up you go sir. He need to see this
Tkl case, polycarb plate, a silent switches, xda keycaps. I bet he will love it
You should try an *_Iqunix_* keyboard if you can ever get your hands on one.
They are a bit expensive (especially considering they use Cherry switches) but the keyboard and the keycaps are incredibly high quality. Moreover, they got multiple colour-coded styles that make sure you will never have a boring desk! They aren't overdone luckily, so even when they got a playful scheme going on they still look professional.
And ofc the typing is quite nice since, wel, it comes with a cherry mx switch of your choosing.
Cherry switches are the lowest quality switches money can buy....