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- The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot - The Battle of the Philippine Sea - Part 2
With Seth Paridon
Part of our on-going Pacific series on WW2TV
• The Pacific
More WW2TV content about The Philippines
• Philippines Week
Also part of our 80th Anniversary Series
• 80th Anniversary Special
The Battle of the Philippine Sea, often referred to as "The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot" was fought on 19-20 June 1944 and effectively eliminated the Imperial Japanese Navy's ability to conduct large-scale carrier actions. It took place during the United States' amphibious invasion of the Mariana Islands. The battle was the last of five major "carrier-versus-carrier" engagements between American and Japanese naval forces, and pitted elements of the United States Navy's Fifth Fleet against ships and aircraft of the Imperial Japanese Navy's Mobile Fleet and nearby island garrisons. This was the largest carrier-to-carrier battle in history, involving 24 aircraft carriers, deploying roughly 1,350 carrier-based aircraft.
We covered the 4 raids of the 19th in the first part th-cam.com/users/li.... In this show we look at the actions of the next day.
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I can't thank you enough Woody for having these presentations about the Philippine Sea with such an expert as Seth. He was responsible for many of the Pacific War exhibits that are still on display at the WW2 Museum in New Orleans, LA. He is likely one of the most knowledgeable young historians about that part of the war in the United States, and maybe the world. I so hope he shall return, and please consider inviting his partner, Retired Captain Bill Toti, who is a former submarine skipper, and an expert about the USS Indianapolis, the cruiser sunk on the way home from delivering the atomic bombs to the island of Tinian. I think he wrote a book about it, and also was the person who helped clear the name of the Captain of the Indianapolis, who was unfairly court-martialed after this tragedy. Wonderful side bar questions and comments, as well as some very good ones from the host today.
Seth's a badass. His paraphrasing takes are so good. Really knows his stuff.
Woody/Seth. Thanks for a great part 2. Whilst I have heard of the turkey shoot, I really knew nothing about it. These two presentations have educated me. Thanks. Bob
It hasn’t been emphasized that on the 19th, the Task force 58 aircraft strength was sufficient for both defending against the Japanese carrier strikes but to also continually run conveyor belt of strikes against land bases in the area during the day. This practically eliminated land based contribution to the carrier strikes but also to eliminate those bases that the surviving carrier planes would use.
Enjoy both your channel, Woody, as well as Seth’s. Great to have you both in one show.
Kind of like a repeat of the Unauthorized History of the Pacfic War Podcast. Of course I’m watching
Superb presentation Gentlemen. Thank you. You're appreciated.
Wow!!! This episode was just as good as the first one. I do hope Seth comes back this was a match made in heaven because you two had very good on-air chemistry. A very enjoyable listen as two new fast friends chance meeting in a pub.
Thanks, and yes i really enjoy talking to Seth
Top Notch show
This showed up in my feed today, and I couldn't be more delighted to see Seth being interviewed! Hands down, he's the finest historian of the PTO! I could listen to him talk for days! ⚓️🇺🇲💯🖖🙏🍻💖🏝🛁
Another masterclass from Seth!
Absolutely brilliant 2 part review of the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot / Battle of the Philippine Sea. Plenty of context and more personal info. from the aircrews etc. Both of you seemed to mesh very well in the presentation and made it both professional, accurate and entertaining. Hope you get Seth back in the future👍👍 WW2TV does it again, and makes history come alive!!
Good to see Seth again!
Another great presentation!
Seth it is always a pleasure to hear you talk about the Pacific War. I follow your show every Tuesday. I had always considered myself well read on the Pacific. I have learned so much more from you and your guests.
Very good Collaboration with Seth. I have seen every one their podcasts. Thought for a future episode is all the myths around certain events that have been dispelled by Bill, Jon Parshall and Seth. Would be an interesting episode. Thank Woody.
Seth is fantastic
Seth, thank you, for supporting Woody and making this a two parter! You two are doing great history and I have learned so much. A big “like” from me and “subscribe.”
Navy Cross citation for my high school girl friend's dad: The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Navy Cross to Commander [then Lieutenant Commander] Grafton Blair Campbell, United States Navy, for extraordinary heroism in operations against the enemy while serving as Pilot of a carrier-based Navy Dive Bomber and as Commanding Officer of Bombing Squadron TWO (VB-2), attached to the U.S.S. HORNET (CV-12), during action against major units of the Japanese Fleet in the First Battle of the Philippine Sea, on 20 June 1944. Flying at extreme range of his plane and fully aware that continued operations might necessitate a night water landing, Commander Campbell carried out an attack and, despite intense anti-aircraft fire and strong fighter opposition, scored a direct hit to leave a large hostile aircraft carrier burning and sinking, thereby contributing to the success of the mission. By his skill as an airman and devotion to duty, Commander Campbell upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.
Thanks for sharing your family story
Fantastic part 2. Very detailed but entertaining presentation of the battle.
The Brits would have sent their pilots out too.
It's easy to second guess, but Mitcher may not get a second chance.
Lt. Commander Ramich wisely decided to save fuel and stay away from the mess around Zuikaku and attack the other carriers.
I did an oral history interview with Alex Vraciu. His story is in my book, At War in The Pacific.
RN and HMS illustrious had used lights for night landings, operationally, as far back as Taranto, when a USN observer was onboard.
Excellent episode!
Thanks so much for bringing Seth in for this episode - love the channel that he and Bill have created (Unauthorized History…).
I saw a commercial for the Helldiver aimed at members ot the Navy Aviation community. Curtis was very concerned that the Helldiver was a turkey. They knew and tried to gloss it over Hollywood style.
WRT Seth's comment about the USN carrier operations not being smooth in 1942, the strike launch from USS Enterprise at Midway was very badly coordinated.
To be fair. Enterprise to that point had been chucking Deckloads during the island raids. This was the first time (outside of training exercises) that her entire air group was required to be sent in one go.
Thanks Seth and Woody, the information and the presentation Seth produced was stunning, I watched it today on a rerun today. Thank you both
Fantastic forum here. As someone who had an uncle who fought in the Pacific, and I myself spent 16 months there in the navy, I have long been a student of the Pacific war. Great conversation!
I am so mad at myself for missing these 2 episodes (but i am watching them now and i remembered to like and share also, just some american humor there couldnt resist) i love seth and also support him and bill toti on there podcast. TY paul for doing this you are great, carry on with the good work fine sir.
Another excellent presentation from Seth. I could listen to him for hours. When he comes back to discuss aircraft, I wonder if he could include enemy aircraft shot down as part of this mission. One really has to wonder if Mitscher was in command, if the enemy losses would have been greater. Great show! Thx!!!
Excellent talk from Seth 👍
Woody and Seth! Wow!
WW2TV and Unauthorized History of the Pacific War on one podcast. Absolutely great stuff!❤
Thanks Richard
A late SBD vs a -4 Helldiver isn't even a question. The Helldiver is The Superior Aircraft, it just had it's reputation ruined by the shitty-1 to -3 versions.
Probably the next day or two after the night landings the carrier crews were occupied with patching planes to make them airworthy and getting aircrew and planes back to their home carriers. I think some of the surviving planes and crew also helped in the search for downed airmen.
These guys had Brass Balls!
Supposedly, Mitscher planned a night strike against Ozawa using VT-10 from Enterprise. But the "turned on the lights" plan ended that.
I really wanted to watch this live, but real life got in the way. I am glad you are planning on having Seth back on to talk about aircraft types. One thing to remember about this attack compared to say Midway, the Japanese carriers had their hanger decks almost completely cleared of aircraft. So, the there was little to no combustibles of fuel and ordinance on the hangers to add to the damage any bombs that did hit the carriers did.
Another thing I wondered about is how effective is the Mk 13 aerial dropped torpedo in this attack? Many improvements have been done to it in the two years since Midway, but it would be a few months in the future that many authors have written that it was a truly effective weapon.
"Beast" ? My 455 ! SB2C was known as a "Son of s B17CH 2nd Class". 2 of my uncles were in the Navy in the Pacific in WW2. I heard plenty of tales and learned all the slang. I am a U.S. Navy Vietnam vet.
@powellmountainmike8853 The torque of the SOB 2nd class was nearly overpowering even experienced bomber pilots.
She didn't perform well holding a dive, but sure could pull out of it.
In the book, The Pacific, also mentioned what Seth said.
excellent carriers
Heyyyyyy!!! 🫡 Seth!! I missed part one!
It's Wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth but the changes the Navy demanded in the Helldiver while it was being built made it almost 50% heavier. So sounds kind of like the Brewster Buffalo.
Damm I missed it! 😢
Seth and Woody Thanks fo this great pod cast. Now lets get something straight Mitscher and Jocko Clark were never heros. The pilots that flew off of their decks were heros of the highest order. Mitscher was a liar from Midway and Clark was just a piece of fecal matter. Spruance had to keep these turds in line. They had no respect for the chain of command. Their were two great Admirals at Phil Sea Raymond Spruance and Willis Augustus Lee. Mitscher and Clark ARE not part of the converation.
"Launching reconnaissance flights constantly" or whatever....
Problem: Carriers have to be sailing into the wind to launch planes.
What about seaplanes? How effective were these pilots/craft? What was the launch procedure? Were seaplanes armed?
I would guess that seaplanes were much fewer than carrier planes, but it's just a guess.
I really haven't heard alot about seaplanes in the Pacific war. Period.
I have certain other completely useless facts about warplanes, ww2, Pacific theatre memorized. I know nothing about seaplanes. Even if they are armed or not.
Okay, as usual.... I listen and pay frickin' attention for an extra minit or 2......
I had in mind the larger Carriers, w/ alot if other ships, all reversing course to launch planes together.
I was not considering, what did y'all call them, " escort carriers"?
It makes a little more sense, now.
Still wondering about seaplanes, though.
To my knowledge the primary seaplane used at this time was the PBY Catalina, which had a much longer range than the combat aircraft and was often used in this role. They played a major role, at least in the Guadalcanal time period, as there was a seaplane base near Guadalcanal at Tulagi.
@@dalehusak6633 thank you, dale.
I had a vision of the entire flotilla doing a 180 so as to launch all these recon flights.
How long does it take an aircraft carrier to turn 180 degrees? And, of course, all the support vessels swapping ends real quick prolly ain't gonna be real quick.
Anyway, I think I understand better, now. ( Uh-oh, this sounds familiar.)
Sea planes and escort carriers would simplify things a bit.
A seaplane can land on the water, taxi up to any ship with the proper hoisting gear, like a crane, get lifted up and stowed on board, am I correct?