Lot of great results here. It's clear you've built a range of skills that allow you change up some things as needed to get the flights you want. Very cool to see!
1. I like your form. It's obvious you've worked very hard on it, and I don't see any glaring issues. I'm getting similar speeds and distances. 2. I use my left arm to help me twist my torso (left arm swings back), and then I swing my left arm in to minimize my moment of inertia. I believe you are doing the same thing. Something to play with: Look at McBeth in slow motion. He swings his left arm in while the disc is still moving back. I believe he does this to increase power. Basically, swing the left arm out and then swing it in and use it's momentum to help power your hip rotation. Notice that McBeth's LEFT fist is clenched and the muscles are flexed. He's not just bringing his left arm in, he's swinging it in powerfully. Most pros do not do this, and most pros do not generate McBeth's power if they're his size (th-cam.com/video/gNzvodFcHIE/w-d-xo.html). 3. I believe McBeth is relaxing his core muscles while he's twisting his torso back, and his left arm swing + hip turn fire while his core is still relaxed. This creates hip and core separation, and more power. I am playing with these ideas, but when I focus on them, I often screw something else up, so I'm not sure if my ideas are correct and I struggle to execute them or if I'm just wrong. If you experiment with these ideas, I'm curious what your results and thoughts will be. 4. When I practice, I focus on one thing at a time, and I often practice without a disc (the disc can be a distraction. I try to eliminate anything that makes focusing harder). Example, I might do 5 practice backhands just focusing on hip rotation + left arm swing as my right reach step touches down, and so on. I don't need a disc to do that, and seeing how the disc flew can make me forget what I felt my body doing (hurts my focus). 5. I love your channel, keep up the good work!
You in any disc golf discords? We can add each other in discord and chat there more easily for longer stuff. Yeah, I've definitely noticed that before and tried it but I had too many other form issues I thought were more important to fix first before trying that off arm style and time. It's also one of the hardest things I've tried because it's like rubbing belly + patting head type of thing almost when you aren't used to it. Feels like you are starting to throw early but have to not give in to that. I think a lot of pros do this but just not to as exaggerated as McBeth. You can see many pros off arms are coming in while the reachback is held back and the pull through hasn't started yet, like Gannon here: th-cam.com/video/O4ouX7OFnQg/w-d-xo.html Also, the off arm 'throwing gang signs' is just the open hand equivalent of the fist tension, imo. The tension is going into the open hand causing the fingers to claw, you can see this in most players who don't have their off hand in a fist. When I first started playing I mistakenly thought the off arm was supposed to come in at the same time as the pull through which all starts when the brace lands and so I still tend to start the pull through before the off arm has come in all the way. I think this is why the Jakub Semerad off-arm tech disc test I did had good speed results (hold thigh with off arm) because it was an easy way to get the off arm timing right since the off arm is already in and doesn't require a lot of mental effort to time it. I've definitely felt some extra power when focusing on aggressively bringing the off arm in sooner and that extra stretch as it pulls the throwing arm that is still reaching back. It just feels so hard for it to stick keep the timing consistent. I can more easily change other form and keep seeing things elsewhere I want to change so I'm trying to knock those things off and then focus more on the off arm after since I think my off arm isn't bad, just not optimized. I still keep reaching back a bit too early sometimes and am trying to develop a rhythm to keep the elbow bent for longer during coiling. When my reachback finishes too early my arm tends to elevate up before and into the pull through in a way that I don't like. Zach Nash also said something like "the off arm lat is tense the whole time" it looks like he drives the off elbow targetward to help coil deeper but is keeping that off arm tension to pull through the upper back to tug the throwing arm. Also, amazing new Paul McBeth form vid dropped recently! th-cam.com/video/EfX2_YhK-YY/w-d-xo.html
@@disc-golf-neil I'm largely with you. I think there's a lot to gain in the off arm, but there's lower hanging fruit in the rest of my technique. So far, focusing on off arm has given me mixed results. I'd love to chat in discord sometime. How do I find you?
@@sabrewolf479 email disc.golf.neil@gmail.com and I'll send you my discord info. Unless your in a popular disc golf discord server then we can find each other there. I just don't want to post my discord info publicly.
@disc-golf-neil Just so you guys don't waste too much time on the off arm trying to find some secret sauce, I'll share my thoughts and opinions on the matter in a compact format. First... When you do a standstill and don't really fire from your legs, the power from the off arm will be more apparent and might send people on a goose chase. The off arm and the raised elbow and turned shoulder has contracted your back muscles. In the throw this contraction or potential energy needs to be released at some point. When you are standing still and not really exploding from the ground, you can drive your off arm in before exploding with your back in the lead arm, because otherwise it would become an anchor. This is the power you feel. When exploding from your legs in the standstill, or exploding from your legs in an xstep, your off arm will be impossible, or at least very unnatural to keep dragging behind. What you really just want to focus on is that the elbow of the off arm slams in to the side of your body and then try to brace it there. You won't be able to. But that energy has to go somewhere too. That stopping motion. So the very general sequence becomes. 1. Explode from the legs at the moment you feel you are the most explosive and fast. 2. Let the elbow slam into your side and hold it there. It will be so fast it might look like it went first on video. 3. Explode with your back of the lead arm. Very general, but that is the sequence of those three parts. So I think you can both feel like your off arm and your back leg are kinda interconnected. Like, you don't want to turn your off arm behind you while at the same time do a inner hip rotation of the back leg pointing the knee in. So if you stand still and turn your arm back and then slam it in, your leg will want to follow. This obviously gives power. But if you turn you arm behind you and explode from your legs, your arm will want to follow. And that is even more powerful. Which is what we want😉 None of the pros talk about slamming the off arm for power. No one. And if you look at the most powerful throwers and just focus on their elbows, and ignore the forearm, you will see similar timing. Elbow out, elbow in.
@@AxisDiscPowers yeah, I've noticed Anthony Barela on bigger throws looks like his off arm is slamming behind him more than on softer throws where it's closer to his side instead of behind him.
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Lot of great results here. It's clear you've built a range of skills that allow you change up some things as needed to get the flights you want. Very cool to see!
1. I like your form. It's obvious you've worked very hard on it, and I don't see any glaring issues. I'm getting similar speeds and distances.
2. I use my left arm to help me twist my torso (left arm swings back), and then I swing my left arm in to minimize my moment of inertia. I believe you are doing the same thing. Something to play with: Look at McBeth in slow motion. He swings his left arm in while the disc is still moving back. I believe he does this to increase power. Basically, swing the left arm out and then swing it in and use it's momentum to help power your hip rotation. Notice that McBeth's LEFT fist is clenched and the muscles are flexed. He's not just bringing his left arm in, he's swinging it in powerfully. Most pros do not do this, and most pros do not generate McBeth's power if they're his size (th-cam.com/video/gNzvodFcHIE/w-d-xo.html).
3. I believe McBeth is relaxing his core muscles while he's twisting his torso back, and his left arm swing + hip turn fire while his core is still relaxed. This creates hip and core separation, and more power. I am playing with these ideas, but when I focus on them, I often screw something else up, so I'm not sure if my ideas are correct and I struggle to execute them or if I'm just wrong. If you experiment with these ideas, I'm curious what your results and thoughts will be.
4. When I practice, I focus on one thing at a time, and I often practice without a disc (the disc can be a distraction. I try to eliminate anything that makes focusing harder). Example, I might do 5 practice backhands just focusing on hip rotation + left arm swing as my right reach step touches down, and so on. I don't need a disc to do that, and seeing how the disc flew can make me forget what I felt my body doing (hurts my focus).
5. I love your channel, keep up the good work!
You in any disc golf discords? We can add each other in discord and chat there more easily for longer stuff.
Yeah, I've definitely noticed that before and tried it but I had too many other form issues I thought were more important to fix first before trying that off arm style and time. It's also one of the hardest things I've tried because it's like rubbing belly + patting head type of thing almost when you aren't used to it. Feels like you are starting to throw early but have to not give in to that.
I think a lot of pros do this but just not to as exaggerated as McBeth. You can see many pros off arms are coming in while the reachback is held back and the pull through hasn't started yet, like Gannon here: th-cam.com/video/O4ouX7OFnQg/w-d-xo.html
Also, the off arm 'throwing gang signs' is just the open hand equivalent of the fist tension, imo. The tension is going into the open hand causing the fingers to claw, you can see this in most players who don't have their off hand in a fist.
When I first started playing I mistakenly thought the off arm was supposed to come in at the same time as the pull through which all starts when the brace lands and so I still tend to start the pull through before the off arm has come in all the way. I think this is why the Jakub Semerad off-arm tech disc test I did had good speed results (hold thigh with off arm) because it was an easy way to get the off arm timing right since the off arm is already in and doesn't require a lot of mental effort to time it.
I've definitely felt some extra power when focusing on aggressively bringing the off arm in sooner and that extra stretch as it pulls the throwing arm that is still reaching back. It just feels so hard for it to stick keep the timing consistent. I can more easily change other form and keep seeing things elsewhere I want to change so I'm trying to knock those things off and then focus more on the off arm after since I think my off arm isn't bad, just not optimized. I still keep reaching back a bit too early sometimes and am trying to develop a rhythm to keep the elbow bent for longer during coiling. When my reachback finishes too early my arm tends to elevate up before and into the pull through in a way that I don't like.
Zach Nash also said something like "the off arm lat is tense the whole time" it looks like he drives the off elbow targetward to help coil deeper but is keeping that off arm tension to pull through the upper back to tug the throwing arm.
Also, amazing new Paul McBeth form vid dropped recently! th-cam.com/video/EfX2_YhK-YY/w-d-xo.html
@@disc-golf-neil I'm largely with you. I think there's a lot to gain in the off arm, but there's lower hanging fruit in the rest of my technique. So far, focusing on off arm has given me mixed results. I'd love to chat in discord sometime. How do I find you?
@@sabrewolf479 email disc.golf.neil@gmail.com and I'll send you my discord info. Unless your in a popular disc golf discord server then we can find each other there. I just don't want to post my discord info publicly.
@disc-golf-neil Just so you guys don't waste too much time on the off arm trying to find some secret sauce, I'll share my thoughts and opinions on the matter in a compact format.
First... When you do a standstill and don't really fire from your legs, the power from the off arm will be more apparent and might send people on a goose chase. The off arm and the raised elbow and turned shoulder has contracted your back muscles. In the throw this contraction or potential energy needs to be released at some point. When you are standing still and not really exploding from the ground, you can drive your off arm in before exploding with your back in the lead arm, because otherwise it would become an anchor. This is the power you feel.
When exploding from your legs in the standstill, or exploding from your legs in an xstep, your off arm will be impossible, or at least very unnatural to keep dragging behind. What you really just want to focus on is that the elbow of the off arm slams in to the side of your body and then try to brace it there. You won't be able to. But that energy has to go somewhere too. That stopping motion.
So the very general sequence becomes.
1. Explode from the legs at the moment you feel you are the most explosive and fast.
2. Let the elbow slam into your side and hold it there. It will be so fast it might look like it went first on video.
3. Explode with your back of the lead arm.
Very general, but that is the sequence of those three parts.
So I think you can both feel like your off arm and your back leg are kinda interconnected. Like, you don't want to turn your off arm behind you while at the same time do a inner hip rotation of the back leg pointing the knee in. So if you stand still and turn your arm back and then slam it in, your leg will want to follow. This obviously gives power.
But if you turn you arm behind you and explode from your legs, your arm will want to follow. And that is even more powerful. Which is what we want😉
None of the pros talk about slamming the off arm for power. No one. And if you look at the most powerful throwers and just focus on their elbows, and ignore the forearm, you will see similar timing. Elbow out, elbow in.
@@AxisDiscPowers yeah, I've noticed Anthony Barela on bigger throws looks like his off arm is slamming behind him more than on softer throws where it's closer to his side instead of behind him.