I’d be curious for you to try this cue. I’ve told you before about it but doing it as more of a preset, whereas here it’s more dynamically doing it which seemed better. However doing the preset prob helped me be able to implement the dynamic motion. I’m trying to think of a good way to frame the cue, but basically it’s just trying to push the forearm farther away from the chest as you come into the pocket. This might be my favorite cue, seemed like it helped everything immediately. Need to see next sesh if I get similar results and then I’ll make a more in depth vid on it.
@@disc-golf-neil When you say "cue" do you mean pushing the elbow away from the chest while the disc is passing through the power pocket? Like pushing it up and out? I might have to also focus on keeping the shoulder down and out, to prevent shrugging, and ensure I have enough room. I can try this out later today and let you know later this evening.
@@NickCarroll Yes. However the pushing it up (shoulder flexion) is a separate motion than the pushing it out (scapular protraction) but when trying to do scapular protraction it kind of automatically happens that you lift the elbow up. You can hold your elbow down touching your body and then push it away from you body while it's still mostly down (prob why Simon can get away with such a low elbow position). One potential cue is to to get into your normal power pocket, then put a cushion ~6 inches in front of your forearm, now do the reachback to pull through motion where you see your arm pass by that cushion with that gap. Now think instead of trying to hit your forearm into that cushion as you pass through the power pocket (but not by extending the elbow, by scapular protraction)--this seems to also naturally lead to some elbow drive forward but in a more natural way it feels to me. If I just drive it across the chest it feels like I break my kinetic chain, but this way, the scapular protraction is happening as the torso is also rotating so as the scap protraction ROM runs out it naturally transposes into elbow drive across the chest, but it feels important that it happens a bit later and after the space away from the chest has been widened by the scapular protraction.
I have an issue with nose down but I think I have solid form overall. I feel like the turn the key hurts my elbow and locks it out. I like your arm motion in a lot of these, what would you recommend?
supination and external rotation I think are more straining on the elbow but you shouldn't feel it locking your elbow so you gotta make sure during the follow through to not forcefully continue turning the key artificially deeply into the follow through which might be why you feel the elbow locking out. It will carry into the follow through initially due to momentum but then the follow through should automatically go back the other way to avoid strain. Part if it though is conditioning, I have racket sport background and have swung a racket with supination and some external rotation so my elbow is more conditioned to be able to handle the strain safely. So you may need to start doing some targeted exercises for conditioning and doing softer throws with it, possibly with a disc with added weight or holding two together, again softer to help condition and build strength.
Really impressive to see you putting this all together. Keep up the great work!
I’d be curious for you to try this cue. I’ve told you before about it but doing it as more of a preset, whereas here it’s more dynamically doing it which seemed better. However doing the preset prob helped me be able to implement the dynamic motion.
I’m trying to think of a good way to frame the cue, but basically it’s just trying to push the forearm farther away from the chest as you come into the pocket.
This might be my favorite cue, seemed like it helped everything immediately. Need to see next sesh if I get similar results and then I’ll make a more in depth vid on it.
@@disc-golf-neil When you say "cue" do you mean pushing the elbow away from the chest while the disc is passing through the power pocket? Like pushing it up and out? I might have to also focus on keeping the shoulder down and out, to prevent shrugging, and ensure I have enough room. I can try this out later today and let you know later this evening.
@@NickCarroll Yes. However the pushing it up (shoulder flexion) is a separate motion than the pushing it out (scapular protraction) but when trying to do scapular protraction it kind of automatically happens that you lift the elbow up. You can hold your elbow down touching your body and then push it away from you body while it's still mostly down (prob why Simon can get away with such a low elbow position).
One potential cue is to to get into your normal power pocket, then put a cushion ~6 inches in front of your forearm, now do the reachback to pull through motion where you see your arm pass by that cushion with that gap. Now think instead of trying to hit your forearm into that cushion as you pass through the power pocket (but not by extending the elbow, by scapular protraction)--this seems to also naturally lead to some elbow drive forward but in a more natural way it feels to me. If I just drive it across the chest it feels like I break my kinetic chain, but this way, the scapular protraction is happening as the torso is also rotating so as the scap protraction ROM runs out it naturally transposes into elbow drive across the chest, but it feels important that it happens a bit later and after the space away from the chest has been widened by the scapular protraction.
I have an issue with nose down but I think I have solid form overall. I feel like the turn the key hurts my elbow and locks it out. I like your arm motion in a lot of these, what would you recommend?
supination and external rotation I think are more straining on the elbow but you shouldn't feel it locking your elbow so you gotta make sure during the follow through to not forcefully continue turning the key artificially deeply into the follow through which might be why you feel the elbow locking out. It will carry into the follow through initially due to momentum but then the follow through should automatically go back the other way to avoid strain.
Part if it though is conditioning, I have racket sport background and have swung a racket with supination and some external rotation so my elbow is more conditioned to be able to handle the strain safely. So you may need to start doing some targeted exercises for conditioning and doing softer throws with it, possibly with a disc with added weight or holding two together, again softer to help condition and build strength.