@@LeshaAnn implying that the entire right is devoid of empathy? And that the left are the only empathetic ones? There are empathetic and insensitive bastards on both sides. But those who lean toward extremes tend to be less empathetic and more narcissistic and borderline.
@@LeshaAnn Politicians on either side have fucked us over in all kinds of ways. I know liberals who hate Democrat politicians. I know conservatives who hate republican politicians. A fair amount of conservatives also vote for democrats in some instances. The real reason people vote for one side or the other, is not because they are in support for one particular side, but rather, it's because they see that side as the lesser of two evils at the time. The point is, politicians lack empathy. They don't give a shit about you or the issues they're voting for. Not even the democrats. They're snakes and conmen just like the republicans. But the people, no matter what side they are on, as long as it's not an extreme, often do. Maybe you spend too much time on the internet and are too scared of someone because they're on a side that you disagree with, and that's why you don't realize that anyone can have empathy, no matter their politics. These politicians only care about money and there is a concerted effort to fuck over the people. It comes from both sides. They have all been bought by corporations and private interests. You're a fool to think that any democrat or republican is on your side. You should stop blindly believing in the narrative of your political party (same goes for any of you trumpsters out there) and know who your real enemy is. It's not the conservative next door who votes differently than you. Here's an interesting quote about fascism, by a fascist. Who better to speak on the issue? “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” - Benito Mussolini
@@allrain He has the choice to respond or not respond and he responded.. Soooo, are you going to be the idiot that mocks him for making that choice to respond despite the time it was posted ( by the way a year is not a long time, despite what you think; unless you're still in elementary school) or stay being a judgmental? You're just being salty, common sense of course.
Was at a SP show in Toronto the night Obama was elected. When the news was official someone screamed it out loud at the band and I remember Billy saying something like "We made the right choice" at that time.
Jameskirkcobain: I been trying to tell people that for years, "conservative doesn't mean your republican." Your so right man. Independent views of everything is pretty much how you have to be nowadays.
Parties don't mean shit politically. It's just an organization. They are not bound to a specific belief. You can be conservative and vote democrat, it doesn't fucking matter. Fuck the 2 party system.
You keep mentioning the liberal side as if I agree with everything they do. I have criticisms of liberalism and conservatives but I'm criticizing conservatives because their ideas are less humane meaning this, I would prefer an unsustainable healthcare system than a healthcare system that turns people dying into the streets to go to a church hospital with subpar service and biased treatment because that is not sustainable either.
The first comment is so idealistic, it's foolish. People will do drugs regardless of who it hurts. Do you not understand the concept of addiction? I don't subscribe to the idea that legal drugs means less use simply because legal drugs means more access to extremely habit forming drugs like heroin. I think you're buying in the libertarian okey-doke. A gov with NO social responsibility or oversight over the safety and general welfare of it's citizens is as good as no gov, thus social anarchy.
Backwards talk again: More individual freedom but parents are responsible. Libertarians are anarchists who just don't know it yet. Unstrained and socially unconscious personal freedom leads to social anarchy. Also, most Americans rarely exercise their right to be informed about consequences while libertarians clearly are not concerned with effects of any kind. Taxing of socially irresponsible behavior only results in the use of such taxes funds to curb said behavior becoming self-defeating.
I don't like either but both clearly articulate their social conservatism without double-talk or illusions about the intended effects even though I disagree. Libertarians have this view that we can do whatever with a survival of the fittest attitude and that won't adversely effect society at all. They disregard the true effect on their beliefs on society as a whole. That's were I agree with Santorum on his criticism of libertarianism though I think his extent is too far.
This is what I mean by consistent. Johnson believes in personal freedom and supports same sex marriage across the boards. Paul says he supports personal freedom but is personally against same sex marriage, but then wants to give gays "civil unions" which has the "same meaning" implying that Paul worries more about language than meaning, which either makes him a hypocrite or someone with no substance. Johnson lacks that inconsistency, fork-tongue talk and emphasis on language rather than spirit.
We are a society that mixes capitalism and DEMOCRATIC socialism. A fair balance isn't a bad thing. But both things by themselves in pure form are not always good for all members of society. Government may not have common sense or intelligent decency as it stands but to replace that with no decency and zero empathy is no suitable replacement. And "do whatever you will and whatever happens we care nothing about" makes no common sense either. That's like an absentee father.
If your actions hit you fine but when society pays, that's not fine. Having a society of junkies, molested children, dead uninsured and ignored minorities with no govt structure is not helpful to society in anyway. How can you on one hand tell people it's okay to get addicted and then come to us to be rehabilitated for a little while later and then we'll do the cycle over again? This idea that people do whatever ignores the law of unintended consequences for which our society will pay dearly.
Mr. Paul says that hospitals should not be forced to help people who have no insurance, meaning let people die on street corners. Under Paul, if you couldn't pay for a needed medical procedure, Paul would tell you, "Go hang." How moral. The government should not obscure the responsibility of the citizen or not require something including expectations of welfare recipients but the idea that the government on no level has any responsibility towards its citizens is not only immoral but cruel.
You can't advocate personal freedom-based libertarianism, then believe that same-sex marriage should be prohibited while state governments should have the right to enforce sodomy laws, allowing law enforcement to prohibit private consensual sexual practices. You can't be about the safety of the country and want to defederalize airport security as if it would be harder to infiltrate private sector security as opposed to federally-regulated security
He tells parents that it is totally their responsibility to protect their children from internet predators and the government should have no role in helping to protect its citizens from these threats. What kind of moral mans believes healthcare isn't a right? Or that federal student loans and scholarships should be oblished. Or who at one time believed public schools should be abolished.
You have the option to pray in school. No teacher or administration can deny any child the right to pray by themselves or with others. The push for prayer in schools is another way to subject everyone to Christian values. Paul may not be KKK but he has no pulse or interest in healing racial issues in this country. In fact, he denies they exist. In truth, the KKK would be better because we'd exactly where he stood and what he'd do.
Under Paul, we'd pay no income taxes and the federal government wouldn't exist. He is also morally contradictory. He'll force kids to pray in school but right after, they'll come home to their parents face deep in cocaine and a room of smoke all the while the state manages poor society's various addictions. Isn't that welfare of another kind? And of course, he sees no long term ramifications of this.
He doesn't compromise and disrupts things to make a point he'll never make. He can't keep taxes low forever or seriously cut the government's size. His advocacy of privatization, opposition to regulations, support of forced school prayer, support of drug legalization and naive policy on non-intervention are troubling. His views on racism, equality & personal freedom (sodomy) are also foolish. His handling of racist e-mails also are alarming. And he's a useless leader, which many don't see.
I think we were fucked from the beginning. If you build a nation on hypocrisies, half-truths and dreams, then 224 years after adopting the first form of our constitution, you're bound to have more hypocrisies, half-truths and dreams. The issue is that the nation as a whole won't do what is required to change that, and whether we'll admit it or not, there are absolutely no political figures adept or honorable enough to lead the charge. Not one.
I'll vote for Romney and Obama all day rather than Ron Paul, his son or anybody remotely attached to the Tea Party. Business is usual is better than draconian social Darwinism. And at least Rick Perry and Rick Santorum are upfront and honest about what they believe in, and understand the full long-term ramifications of what they advocate.
That's sad. If Ron Paul was the best chance you had, you had no chance at all, which makes sense. Paul has no/zero/never ever chance of ever being the leader of anything, maybe except for the inept rabble rousers club or the Tea Party, which is basically the same thing..
Ron Paul has been honest and its appreciated. We don't know an awful lot about Obama or Romney but we do know Ron Paul is an honest racist who thinks rich white people should own everything and less financially sound people can starve or rot somewhere out of sight.
Billy complains about Obama's moral compass and then excused Trump as a necessity. Dudes just full of it and is a right wing Republican and tries to frame it so he doesn't look like a sell out who screws over his band all the time.
well.. im kinda surprised.. he does seem to have more than a clue.. knows we been lied to.. doesnt trust either party much.. and said"America is about the people"- of by and for the people....as opposed to by the gov./for the govmnt. .. good for billy,and sorry i ever doubted you.
You say civil unions and marriage have the same rights (Yet different names) but to quarrel over language rather the spirit of the intent is without substance. I thought opposition to gay marriage was to the spirit of the intent not the language. I also know that there was a time when whites sharing anything with blacks was insulting to the American majority. Equal and human rights are not up to the majority. If it was, we're no better than Nazis, which is interesting since they learned from us.
Let's divorce legality from drug use. People use drugs to treat pain. If it's legal, it's more accessible and children may be exposed to it by their parents, and child welfare could do anything. To do drugs is a personal choice but no personal choice should pose a social threat to a child or society, which drugs undoubtedly do. Civil unions is not equal treatment. I also have less patience for the double-talk Ron Paul bullshit. If you think gays being married is terrible say so.
I also understand that Obama among many others has failed with inequalities, inefficiency and corruption. Still, I won't trade business as usual for an extreme either Paul or Kucinich. As an independent, I support moderates not a liberal or conservative. BOTH are responsible for this mess. Paul, if not for himself, can't do anything for you. But it really matters little, just as much as his career did. I'm glad you support Paul, but come January 20, 2013, tell me how that went for you.
I'm actually a moderate. I also fight battles I know I can win and don't waste votes making points that will never go farther than my mind. P.S.: It's also funny that I'm the closet homosexual and you're the one spending time guessing the side of my endowment. I hope it was a nice thought though. It's about 8 and 1/2, and stands very close at attention since you're interested.
Okay. Let's erase medicare, medicaid and SSI. That's a much smaller price to pay. And maybe we'll send people with vouchers down to churches for medical care.
In reality business deprives the rights and benefits of the employees and misrepresents bad products to sustain company growth, and use "tools" in the government to sustain their own rules as they're subsidized and given tax breaks. In truth, government needs as much regulation, oversight and implementation of moral ethics as business.
I would argue that state and federal government also play a part in keeping children safe along with parents. What kind of govt does nothing to help parents protect their children from online predators? Charity and help are two different things. Giving something with an expectation is not charity. Currently, govt doesn't expect much but it doesn't mean they should do absolutely nothing. I believe public school unions should be challenged and the education system be redone completely.
I was expecting to hear more Obama praise, as the huge majority of artists love the democratic party. I am glad to see that he has the same opinion I have. It's going to take a miracle to fix this country and I think we may already be beyond the point of no return.
+mysterymac38 That's nothing to do with Obama though, has it? Even though you're right that America is unfixable. Such a huge country to re-arrange. Seen from the outside, the anarchy of the USA is what makes your country what it is. There's a whole lot of storytelling in there, and there's the american dream, which is all very romantic and "charming". But I guess in reality it really sucks if you get born in the wrong corner of your country. Best of luck from Europe, and PLEASE DON'T vote for mr. Trump.
mysterymac38 so true, keep fighting for whats right and we can change this country for the better. Don't let the liberal media brain wash you. Keep thinking for yourself. They want us to believe we are loosing but we are not. There are millions of patriots like you and me still in this country. The last election proved it. Stay strong and keep fighting, it is our only hope.
:-) rofl - ''commie homo '' wtf? you mean you don't like homosexuals and hate communists? Well, I haven't ask you for your opinion on that but as you mention it anyway it's clear you got some real issues fella. Now, Obama is the best US presi since Carter. He was given a country already completely run down and fucked so thoroughly to the ground in oh so many ways. Oba does the best he can under the circumstances.
Sadly, I cannot post my video as a response. But after watching Mr. Corgan in this interview, I recorded an entry in my video diary. Billy, please try to watch my response. I have the answers to your questions, and many other peoples. I have gone through hell to find the answers, despite never intending to find them. I see hope for America, but only if we can all work together towards making things better for each and every one of us. My response is on my channel.
Free flow of all drugs into homes threatening families. If they legalize drugs does that mean you are going to do them or your children?? NOOO it doesn't so you have no point as it is a PERSONAL Choice. People are doing drugs if they are legal or not sometimes causing harm sometimes not! If you cause your children harm by doing drugs just like with alchohol you will pay a CONSEQUENCE for your action. Yes redefining a word is unneccessary if all gays want is equal treatment!
Go to a big city housing project, then tell me about no direct harm to those around. Drug murders are morally wrong but so is profiting on the pain of individuals, broken families and morally bankrupted children who will be addressed with a welfare system funded by tax money of non-drug users to manage their addiction cycles, mental illness and poverty. I'd be more supportive if drugs were legalized with no taxes. A blood diamond brought knowingly puts blood on the buyer and seller. Drugs too.
Libertarians are humanitarians & believe denying an individuals god given liberties is only going to bring about a negative reaction on those imposing their will or view of morality over them! Santorum wants to illegalize internet porn!! Do you really believe people are going to stop seeking it if it is made illegal?? Though I believe porn is a horrible industry the consequence from denying it to those who like it would be more devastating.
No that is the credo of an anarchist not a libertarian. Libertarians believe in more individual freedoms & less govt NOT no govt! Parents should be held accountable for their drug use & implications of it to others just like a drunk driver. Again I am not advocating people do drugs only those who choose to be educted as to the effects & consequences as only will happen if it is taxed & made legal.
Yes legalize all of them! Stop imposing your will over that of others as long as it isn't hurting you! Tobbaco smoking has gone down because their isn't much of a black market for it yet. All other drugs are still in epidemic proportions. Tell a gay person they cant be gay, tell a gambler not to gamble, tell someone who wants to use drugs not to & you will just continue to have a society that rebels at a cost to everyone else!
If jail isn't discouraging why is money? Legalizing drugs will only lead to a rehab system that will manage addictions, not stop them. Some will quit only due to inner strength but many won't, especially when nothing and no one legally stop them. Many rehabs are funded by hospitals or govt who will sink money into managing addictions rather than put the resources to more needed uses with better prognosis for success and productive outcomes from patients. Great.
And if jail isn't discouraging why is money? If you legalize drugs, all you'll end up doing is creating a rehab system that will manage addictions, not stop them. Some will quit because of inner strength but a lot won't, particularly when nothing and no one can legally stop them. And many rehab facilities are funded with govt funds or by hospitals who will sink millions of dollars to manage addictions rather than put it to places where there is more needed use and likelihood for success. Great.
Cause it's morally irreprehensible for govt to profit off drug sales, thereby approving of behavior detrimental to children, family and society. I'd no longer vote, support or contribute to govt at any level as I don't willingly support drug dealers and govt cartel members with a "If you can't beat'em, join'em attitude." Drug policy does need change but that kind of change is sickening to me. I know this change will take place, which makes me more cynical and hopeless about this world.
Will you do drugs if they legalize it?? Would you try meth if it came in a wrapper saying 99% addictive with a persons face with decaying teeth on it? Fewer people are smoking, & their isn't much of a black market for it either. Tax revenue from those who do smoke fund rehabilitation & antiuse instead of tax money that was supposed to be used for something else as we now do with drugs.
I don't believe in utopias. Idealists do. You praise an idealist and with idealist thoughts only ideal to you and your like. I prefer a balance of a government with some responsibility to its citizens but enough given room for citizens to make their own decisions. There is a government that does too much and one that does nothing. I'd like the in between. You want a government that does nothing and liberals vice versa. I do not prefer one extreme to the other. You guys do.
Society is paying now! Legalizing drugs would ELIMINATE drug related murders, robbery & existance of gangs entirely! Tax money pays for rehab & cops! We have a society of junkies now, why not educate them on a wrapper what it is theyre about to put into their body? We could tax this new industry & use the funds to help these idiots who are going to do drugs regardless of the consequences as OVERCROWDED PRISONS have demonstrated. Govt has made people to become more dependant not Independant!
Who is Paul or you to dictate what is moral! Free will & an individuals right to choose right or wrong & pay the consequences personally is what he advocates. If we educate people on the drug they are using stop making it taboo we would eliminate all drug gangs & killings related to them. Our prisons are maxed out because we cannot afford to keep housing people for doing drugs or related crimes! We would have a taxable industry instead of one we spend billions rehabilitating & policing!
Paul said Govt has no place in ANYONES marriage & said call it a civil union with all the same legal rights as it makes no sense to change the definition of a word to accomadate a minority & offend the majority! Santorum wanted to outlaw internet Porn not Paul LOL. Private Security is better then Federal look at Sanfrancisco its airports are private security has best rating nationally in security & public service!
In the private sector businessman must adhere to the laws created by govt & still function in a manner that sustains company growth or goes out of biz. In govt they make up their own rules & never create anything that is sustainable as there is no consequence for failure. Politicians most of which are attorneys are so much better at running things?? Biz has to be competetive in service & product oir it loses customers to competition, govt has no consequence just more debt creation for us.
I do not endorse government takeover of business but somethings are better not left to businessmen to run. In some cases, it would be against our best interest to leave certain things up to the "highest bidder" mentality. It's also my experience that private business runs things very shitty. Maybe not like government, but have you been to stores or businesses lately? You'll spend half the time trying not to get fucked out of your money by lying salesmen and careless employees.
I liked Goldwater. He was more savvy than Paul (he did get the nomination). Rockefeller was abandoned by his party in 1976 (Reagan!). Conservative vs. the establishment. You guys have done a real bang up job. You're almost as inefficient as the liberals, just a little better and more vocal. Don't get me started on the Tea Party. Where were you guys in 2003? It makes no sense to try to save the ship from sinking, when you could have avoided the path of iceberg many miles before.
Although Obama is well intentioned, he is not exactly the greatest "moral compass" you could find. No politician is. He's probably more moral than some others in his line of work including his two predecessors, but Obama has failed to be effective at uniting the nation and articulating a clear message in which he can keep the narrative his own and properly sell a defined direction to the people, which is a part of being a moral compass. He has failed to do that on many levels.
Yes the establishment will win either way, why reward bad behavior vote for their other candidate Mitt Romney! I would rather advocate for someone of character with a consistant history of honesty then one of the establishment tools like with Obama or Romney. The show is getting old more of us idealists are starting to speak out! It would seem Gary Johnson is now that candidate!
Paul's ideas cannot be achieved. His basic mantra is to the extreme. Instead of a government that does what it should, he advocates that it do next to nothing. That's not going to happen. Also, he doesn't play with others, he's a troublemaker in his own party and doesn't compromise his views, which is required in political discourse. On top of that, he's a weak candidate will little personality, poor speaking skills and complete lack of charisma. Paul is not electable. His son is, however.
Yes public unions especially the teachers unions & the idea of tenure should be abolished. This would be the most beneficial act for minorities stuck in a public school system. The kids should come first & teachers should be judged by their results not how long they've paid union dues! Incompetant whites would demonstrate its who you know rather then what.
Paul cannot be a moral compass yet advocate drug policy that would have the government profit from drug sales. He then says government should have no role in the lives of citizens yet supports drug policy that will eventually lead to drug abuse that state governments will have the burden of managing, which is a new welfare system expanding the role of government.
Romney or Obama will be President in 2012. Sorry to burst the bubble. I'd like to live in that world too sometimes but then I wake up to poisoned air of reality, which is more binding than the illusionary idealism, wishful thinking and seasoned dreams of the outdated and unfounded optimism of human mind, unfortunately.
Yes EVEN BETTER THEN NOW as we had seen with the ending of prohibition, there was less violence & a new legal industry that helped boom the economy & tax revenue. People are going to do what they want despite laws or the moral beliefs others want to impose on them.
Maybe the tea party will look out for the people without insurance. I'm sure they care. Truth is people give two shits about the man living next door. But that's a better world to live in. A world of apathy and moral anarchy. It will be lovely. A "all problems solved" utopia.
Why don't you state what it is you people just don't get it means? Perhaps if the opposition could articulate the logic in what they think, people like me could better explain why they are wrong.
Smoking is WAY down, & people will do drugs regardless so why support it with more police & crowded prisons when you can use the revenu to discourage them from trying?
I like Gary too. As far as you saying Paul is not consistant I have no idea what you are reffering too. Establishment hates Gary to, that is why he has no presence.
The constitution never uses the word "immigration" but has concept there with no specific guidelines. This leaves the regulation of it up to the federal government, which the Supreme Court (interpreters of the constitution) have upheld. Getting off the gold standard was a bad idea but I believe it was Nixon, a conservative Republican who made the transition. And isn't reading the constitution as whatever is not there will not be done not a conservative manipulation of the constitution?
If you're going to use drugs for comparison, use one actually comparable to illicit drugs. Tobacco doesn't send people on binges, make them sit at home and do nothing or cause them to overdose. Also, cigarettes have always been legal and have had spikes in usage throughout time. In the 1950s, doctors & priest smoked publicly. Usage goes down in 2012. Okay. So why wouldn't drug usage be high for 20 or 30 years and go down later like cigarettes or still be popular like alcohol?
Billy Corgan is the man. Even though I was never a huge Pumpkins fan, I still liked a lot of their music and have always respected the band. Hearing Corgan speak on issues, which are relevant and being dealt with today is refreshing. The sincere way he discusses the issues, and his clarity of thought for perceiving reality makes me feel like he speaks for me.
Really? I think we must be opposites as I love his music but seriously think he's one of the most vain and pretentious artists to make up an opinion just to sound interesting.
Drugs are not tobacco. America is not the Netherlands. This country consumes more drugs than any other country. That doesn't go away with legalization. If you legalize drugs in THIS country, you'll be paying more for rehab because most people will never fully quit. Although it is bad enough, at least when they're in jail, no rehab is necessary and the jails create jobs for towns. Though this is terrible. I also lived in NYC, there is a bootleg market for cigarettes. Drugs will be the same.
You forgot to include the abuse of legal drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are pushing out medication like candy and you get patients addicted who then turn to the illegal drugs or illegal means to obtain more of the legal prescription ones.
@. I'm Canadian. We look at ethnicity differently here. It's something that still influences you, it doesn't just go away because you grew up somewhere else. Hope that clears things up.
inphanta ppl keep saying this but Billy said he doesn’t like Trump, he said he only liked that he was shaking things up and that it was entertaining to watch. He clarified that he never intended that to be an endorsement.
@@sataniksomethingblahblah6350 lifetime fan of Billy...but the moral compass line didn't age well when he took to supporting Trump and taking spears to Bernis Sanders and his perceptions of "sjws"...politically billy has always just been a vague, substanceless contrarian who's true political interests go no further than how he is affected taxwise.
@@sataniksomethingblahblah6350 well there's that too! Always gonna appreciate the dude and his self admitted heel persona...just dont like the demure way he tries to vaguely throw shade at Obama. Anyways i dig the dude...just hoping he doesnt go full Nuge
@Reel1Fishing he derided Obama as lacking a moral compass...then gleefully praised Trump and his "chaos theory" campaign...why the fuck wasnt he concerned with Trumps absolute lack of morality or honesty?? Billy think he's in on all the kayfabe, he aint...or to quote Mr. Zero..he's just a bullshit faker
That's a good point, but I would agree with Billy. When politicians make promises and promote their plan for office, you have to trust that they will act with that in mind. A lot of the time, however, they make the speeches and then abandon them once the elections are over. So, it may not necessarily be about a president defining morality as much as governing with a strong set of principles that results in their political promises becoming reality.
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"I don't trust either party."
Very well said, Billy!
Everyone wants the theater more than the reality. Well put.
"I'M NOT AN OBAMA MAN"
Smashing Pumpkins new album out today
0:43 - looks like his album is called i am not an obama man
Lol LMAO HaHaHa
Just goes to show how CNN operates lol
Billy Corgan is one of the most well-spoken and intelligent artists I’ve ever heard. You can tell he puts a lot of thought into his views.
@Loft Music Lol, seriously. Mr.Infowars is so woke.
Really? What's a "moral compass agenda"?
Who also believes in chem trails and all kinds of ridiculous bullshit - but you probably think Alex Jones is intelligent too so...
4 years later - so does this still hold true?
lol?
It’s 2019 and yet it’s as if he said this yesterday.
"when you grow up around drug addicts and freaks you tend to lean left."
it's so fucking true
Also artists, intellectuals, people with any ounce of empathy...
@@LeshaAnn implying that the entire right is devoid of empathy? And that the left are the only empathetic ones? There are empathetic and insensitive bastards on both sides. But those who lean toward extremes tend to be less empathetic and more narcissistic and borderline.
@@antonyfranco2866 The Republicans are going to try to cut Social Security and Medicare. I rest my case.
@@LeshaAnn Politicians on either side have fucked us over in all kinds of ways. I know liberals who hate Democrat politicians. I know conservatives who hate republican politicians. A fair amount of conservatives also vote for democrats in some instances. The real reason people vote for one side or the other, is not because they are in support for one particular side, but rather, it's because they see that side as the lesser of two evils at the time.
The point is, politicians lack empathy. They don't give a shit about you or the issues they're voting for. Not even the democrats. They're snakes and conmen just like the republicans. But the people, no matter what side they are on, as long as it's not an extreme, often do. Maybe you spend too much time on the internet and are too scared of someone because they're on a side that you disagree with, and that's why you don't realize that anyone can have empathy, no matter their politics. These politicians only care about money and there is a concerted effort to fuck over the people. It comes from both sides. They have all been bought by corporations and private interests. You're a fool to think that any democrat or republican is on your side. You should stop blindly believing in the narrative of your political party (same goes for any of you trumpsters out there) and know who your real enemy is. It's not the conservative next door who votes differently than you.
Here's an interesting quote about fascism, by a fascist. Who better to speak on the issue?
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” - Benito Mussolini
Can get over how Anderson cooper attacked corgan for doing charity.
You mean this?
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"everyone wants the theater, not reality". I've been saying that forever
I've always like smashing pumpkins but now have a whole new respect for them!
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@@keith-kessinger who?
"When you grow up around drug addicts and freaks you tend to lean left"
perfect.
That's a stupid thing to say, actually. And it shows he's not really educated in politics.
Melan Colín poor choice of words since Billy considers himself a libertarian LMFAO
@Variable Volume replying to a year old comment on youtube. Yeah, someone definitely got triggered.
Like the majority of his fanbase. Lmfaoooooo
@@allrain He has the choice to respond or not respond and he responded.. Soooo, are you going to be the idiot that mocks him for making that choice to respond despite the time it was posted ( by the way a year is not a long time, despite what you think; unless you're still in elementary school) or stay being a judgmental? You're just being salty, common sense of course.
Was at a SP show in Toronto the night Obama was elected. When the news was official someone screamed it out loud at the band and I remember Billy saying something like "We made the right choice" at that time.
Obama and McCain, infinitely better choices than what we face in the 2020s....
@@werideatdusk Or in 2000 and 2004
This man is brilliant
Agree
9 years later - do you still stand by this statement?
Id love to hear his thought about where we are as a country now. February 2024, so much worse than anyone could have thought.
Jameskirkcobain: I been trying to tell people that for years, "conservative doesn't mean your republican." Your so right man. Independent views of everything is pretty much how you have to be nowadays.
four years later and this comment is more important now than when you typed it
Exactly. Im an independent conservative. I don't lean left or right. By the way.. I'm a happy person for it too.
Parties don't mean shit politically. It's just an organization. They are not bound to a specific belief. You can be conservative and vote democrat, it doesn't fucking matter. Fuck the 2 party system.
You keep mentioning the liberal side as if I agree with everything they do. I have criticisms of liberalism and conservatives but I'm criticizing conservatives because their ideas are less humane meaning this, I would prefer an unsustainable healthcare system than a healthcare system that turns people dying into the streets to go to a church hospital with subpar service and biased treatment because that is not sustainable either.
The first comment is so idealistic, it's foolish. People will do drugs regardless of who it hurts. Do you not understand the concept of addiction? I don't subscribe to the idea that legal drugs means less use simply because legal drugs means more access to extremely habit forming drugs like heroin. I think you're buying in the libertarian okey-doke. A gov with NO social responsibility or oversight over the safety and general welfare of it's citizens is as good as no gov, thus social anarchy.
Backwards talk again: More individual freedom but parents are responsible. Libertarians are anarchists who just don't know it yet. Unstrained and socially unconscious personal freedom leads to social anarchy. Also, most Americans rarely exercise their right to be informed about consequences while libertarians clearly are not concerned with effects of any kind. Taxing of socially irresponsible behavior only results in the use of such taxes funds to curb said behavior becoming self-defeating.
I don't like either but both clearly articulate their social conservatism without double-talk or illusions about the intended effects even though I disagree.
Libertarians have this view that we can do whatever with a survival of the fittest attitude and that won't adversely effect society at all. They disregard the true effect on their beliefs on society as a whole. That's were I agree with Santorum on his criticism of libertarianism though I think his extent is too far.
This is what I mean by consistent. Johnson believes in personal freedom and supports same sex marriage across the boards. Paul says he supports personal freedom but is personally against same sex marriage, but then wants to give gays "civil unions" which has the "same meaning" implying that Paul worries more about language than meaning, which either makes him a hypocrite or someone with no substance. Johnson lacks that inconsistency, fork-tongue talk and emphasis on language rather than spirit.
We are a society that mixes capitalism and DEMOCRATIC socialism. A fair balance isn't a bad thing. But both things by themselves in pure form are not always good for all members of society.
Government may not have common sense or intelligent decency as it stands but to replace that with no decency and zero empathy is no suitable replacement. And "do whatever you will and whatever happens we care nothing about" makes no common sense either. That's like an absentee father.
If your actions hit you fine but when society pays, that's not fine. Having a society of junkies, molested children, dead uninsured and ignored minorities with no govt structure is not helpful to society in anyway.
How can you on one hand tell people it's okay to get addicted and then come to us to be rehabilitated for a little while later and then we'll do the cycle over again?
This idea that people do whatever ignores the law of unintended consequences for which our society will pay dearly.
Mr. Paul says that hospitals should not be forced to help people who have no insurance, meaning let people die on street corners. Under Paul, if you couldn't pay for a needed medical procedure, Paul would tell you, "Go hang." How moral. The government should not obscure the responsibility of the citizen or not require something including expectations of welfare recipients but the idea that the government on no level has any responsibility towards its citizens is not only immoral but cruel.
You can't advocate personal freedom-based libertarianism, then believe that same-sex marriage should be prohibited while state governments should have the right to enforce sodomy laws, allowing law enforcement to prohibit private consensual sexual practices. You can't be about the safety of the country and want to defederalize airport security as if it would be harder to infiltrate private sector security as opposed to federally-regulated security
He tells parents that it is totally their responsibility to protect their children from internet predators and the government should have no role in helping to protect its citizens from these threats. What kind of moral mans believes healthcare isn't a right? Or that federal student loans and scholarships should be oblished. Or who at one time believed public schools should be abolished.
You have the option to pray in school. No teacher or administration can deny any child the right to pray by themselves or with others. The push for prayer in schools is another way to subject everyone to Christian values.
Paul may not be KKK but he has no pulse or interest in healing racial issues in this country. In fact, he denies they exist. In truth, the KKK would be better because we'd exactly where he stood and what he'd do.
Under Paul, we'd pay no income taxes and the federal government wouldn't exist. He is also morally contradictory. He'll force kids to pray in school but right after, they'll come home to their parents face deep in cocaine and a room of smoke all the while the state manages poor society's various addictions. Isn't that welfare of another kind? And of course, he sees no long term ramifications of this.
He doesn't compromise and disrupts things to make a point he'll never make. He can't keep taxes low forever or seriously cut the government's size.
His advocacy of privatization, opposition to regulations, support of forced school prayer, support of drug legalization and naive policy on non-intervention are troubling. His views on racism, equality & personal freedom (sodomy) are also foolish. His handling of racist e-mails also are alarming.
And he's a useless leader, which many don't see.
I think we were fucked from the beginning. If you build a nation on hypocrisies, half-truths and dreams, then 224 years after adopting the first form of our constitution, you're bound to have more hypocrisies, half-truths and dreams.
The issue is that the nation as a whole won't do what is required to change that, and whether we'll admit it or not, there are absolutely no political figures adept or honorable enough to lead the charge. Not one.
I'll vote for Romney and Obama all day rather than Ron Paul, his son or anybody remotely attached to the Tea Party. Business is usual is better than draconian social Darwinism.
And at least Rick Perry and Rick Santorum are upfront and honest about what they believe in, and understand the full long-term ramifications of what they advocate.
That's sad. If Ron Paul was the best chance you had, you had no chance at all, which makes sense. Paul has no/zero/never ever chance of ever being the leader of anything, maybe except for the inept rabble rousers club or the Tea Party, which is basically the same thing..
Ron Paul has been honest and its appreciated. We don't know an awful lot about Obama or Romney but we do know Ron Paul is an honest racist who thinks rich white people should own everything and less financially sound people can starve or rot somewhere out of sight.
Billy is just awesome.
he looks for moral compass and supported trump.
I know fuckin lol
Billy complains about Obama's moral compass and then excused Trump as a necessity. Dudes just full of it and is a right wing Republican and tries to frame it so he doesn't look like a sell out who screws over his band all the time.
Charles M I read an article in which he said that he doesn’t actually support Trump, and that his comments regarding him were misinterpreted
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well.. im kinda surprised.. he does seem to have more than a clue.. knows we been lied to.. doesnt trust either party much.. and said"America is about the people"- of by and for the people....as opposed to by the gov./for the govmnt. .. good for billy,and sorry i ever doubted you.
You say civil unions and marriage have the same rights (Yet different names) but to quarrel over language rather the spirit of the intent is without substance. I thought opposition to gay marriage was to the spirit of the intent not the language. I also know that there was a time when whites sharing anything with blacks was insulting to the American majority. Equal and human rights are not up to the majority. If it was, we're no better than Nazis, which is interesting since they learned from us.
Let's divorce legality from drug use. People use drugs to treat pain. If it's legal, it's more accessible and children may be exposed to it by their parents, and child welfare could do anything. To do drugs is a personal choice but no personal choice should pose a social threat to a child or society, which drugs undoubtedly do.
Civil unions is not equal treatment. I also have less patience for the double-talk Ron Paul bullshit. If you think gays being married is terrible say so.
I also understand that Obama among many others has failed with inequalities, inefficiency and corruption. Still, I won't trade business as usual for an extreme either Paul or Kucinich. As an independent, I support moderates not a liberal or conservative. BOTH are responsible for this mess.
Paul, if not for himself, can't do anything for you. But it really matters little, just as much as his career did. I'm glad you support Paul, but come January 20, 2013, tell me how that went for you.
You sir receive a gold star.
I'm actually a moderate. I also fight battles I know I can win and don't waste votes making points that will never go farther than my mind.
P.S.: It's also funny that I'm the closet homosexual and you're the one spending time guessing the side of my endowment. I hope it was a nice thought though. It's about 8 and 1/2, and stands very close at attention since you're interested.
Okay. Let's erase medicare, medicaid and SSI. That's a much smaller price to pay. And maybe we'll send people with vouchers down to churches for medical care.
In reality business deprives the rights and benefits of the employees and misrepresents bad products to sustain company growth, and use "tools" in the government to sustain their own rules as they're subsidized and given tax breaks.
In truth, government needs as much regulation, oversight and implementation of moral ethics as business.
I would argue that state and federal government also play a part in keeping children safe along with parents. What kind of govt does nothing to help parents protect their children from online predators?
Charity and help are two different things. Giving something with an expectation is not charity. Currently, govt doesn't expect much but it doesn't mean they should do absolutely nothing.
I believe public school unions should be challenged and the education system be redone completely.
I was expecting to hear more Obama praise, as the huge majority of artists love the democratic party. I am glad to see that he has the same opinion I have. It's going to take a miracle to fix this country and I think we may already be beyond the point of no return.
+mysterymac38 That's nothing to do with Obama though, has it? Even though you're right that America is unfixable. Such a huge country to re-arrange. Seen from the outside, the anarchy of the USA is what makes your country what it is. There's a whole lot of storytelling in there, and there's the american dream, which is all very romantic and "charming". But I guess in reality it really sucks if you get born in the wrong corner of your country. Best of luck from Europe, and PLEASE DON'T vote for mr. Trump.
mysterymac38 so true, keep fighting for whats right and we can change this country for the better. Don't let the liberal media brain wash you. Keep thinking for yourself. They want us to believe we are loosing but we are not. There are millions of patriots like you and me still in this country. The last election proved it. Stay strong and keep fighting, it is our only hope.
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The incredibly idiocy we spew, have to look back on and own. My god.
polifatts that’s a good thing trump 2020
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I completely agree with Billy.....
Everyone wants the theater more than the reality...
What does he think of trump?
Was this before or after he went on Alex Jones show and wrote an 8 hour synthesized interpretation of a book?
Billy is straight up what happens when trailer tra$h becomes wealthy.
piers morgan head explodes and heart breaks to learn billy doesn't respect bummer !! haha
bza069 he didn't say he didn't respect him.
:-) rofl - ''commie homo '' wtf?
you mean you don't like homosexuals and hate communists?
Well, I haven't ask you for your opinion on that but as you mention it anyway it's clear you got some real issues fella.
Now, Obama is the best US presi since Carter.
He was given a country already completely run down and fucked so thoroughly to the ground in oh so many ways. Oba does the best he can under the circumstances.
Piers Morgan is a Conservative.
Sadly, I cannot post my video as a response. But after watching Mr. Corgan in this interview, I recorded an entry in my video diary.
Billy, please try to watch my response. I have the answers to your questions, and many other peoples. I have gone through hell to find the answers, despite never intending to find them.
I see hope for America, but only if we can all work together towards making things better for each and every one of us.
My response is on my channel.
Free flow of all drugs into homes threatening families. If they legalize drugs does that mean you are going to do them or your children?? NOOO it doesn't so you have no point as it is a PERSONAL Choice. People are doing drugs if they are legal or not sometimes causing harm sometimes not!
If you cause your children harm by doing drugs just like with alchohol you will pay a CONSEQUENCE for your action.
Yes redefining a word is unneccessary if all gays want is equal treatment!
Go to a big city housing project, then tell me about no direct harm to those around. Drug murders are morally wrong but so is profiting on the pain of individuals, broken families and morally bankrupted children who will be addressed with a welfare system funded by tax money of non-drug users to manage their addiction cycles, mental illness and poverty. I'd be more supportive if drugs were legalized with no taxes. A blood diamond brought knowingly puts blood on the buyer and seller. Drugs too.
Libertarians are humanitarians & believe denying an individuals
god given liberties is only going to bring about a negative reaction on those imposing their will or view of morality over them!
Santorum wants to illegalize internet porn!! Do you really believe people are going to stop seeking it if it is made illegal?? Though I believe porn is a horrible industry the consequence from denying it to those who like it would be more devastating.
No that is the credo of an anarchist not a libertarian. Libertarians believe in more individual freedoms & less govt NOT no govt!
Parents should be held accountable for their drug use & implications of it to others just like a drunk driver. Again I am not advocating people do drugs only those who choose to be educted as to the effects & consequences as only will happen if it is taxed & made legal.
Yes legalize all of them! Stop imposing your will over that of others as long as it isn't hurting you! Tobbaco smoking has gone down because their isn't much of a black market for it yet. All other drugs are still in epidemic proportions.
Tell a gay person they cant be gay, tell a gambler not to gamble, tell someone who wants to use drugs not to & you will just continue to have a society that rebels at a cost to everyone else!
If jail isn't discouraging why is money? Legalizing drugs will only lead to a rehab system that will manage addictions, not stop them. Some will quit only due to inner strength but many won't, especially when nothing and no one legally stop them.
Many rehabs are funded by hospitals or govt who will sink money into managing addictions rather than put the resources to more needed uses with better prognosis for success and productive outcomes from patients. Great.
And if jail isn't discouraging why is money? If you legalize drugs, all you'll end up doing is creating a rehab system that will manage addictions, not stop them. Some will quit because of inner strength but a lot won't, particularly when nothing and no one can legally stop them.
And many rehab facilities are funded with govt funds or by hospitals who will sink millions of dollars to manage addictions rather than put it to places where there is more needed use and likelihood for success. Great.
Cause it's morally irreprehensible for govt to profit off drug sales, thereby approving of behavior detrimental to children, family and society. I'd no longer vote, support or contribute to govt at any level as I don't willingly support drug dealers and govt cartel members with a "If you can't beat'em, join'em attitude."
Drug policy does need change but that kind of change is sickening to me. I know this change will take place, which makes me more cynical and hopeless about this world.
Will you do drugs if they legalize it?? Would you try meth if it came in a wrapper saying 99% addictive with a persons face with decaying teeth on it?
Fewer people are smoking, & their isn't much of a black market for it either. Tax revenue from those who do smoke fund rehabilitation & antiuse instead of tax money that was supposed to be used for something else as we now do with drugs.
I don't believe in utopias. Idealists do. You praise an idealist and with idealist thoughts only ideal to you and your like.
I prefer a balance of a government with some responsibility to its citizens but enough given room for citizens to make their own decisions.
There is a government that does too much and one that does nothing. I'd like the in between. You want a government that does nothing and liberals vice versa. I do not prefer one extreme to the other. You guys do.
Society is paying now! Legalizing drugs would ELIMINATE drug related murders, robbery & existance of gangs entirely! Tax money pays for rehab & cops!
We have a society of junkies now, why not educate them on a wrapper what it is theyre about to put into their body?
We could tax this new industry & use the funds to help these idiots who are going to do drugs regardless of the consequences as OVERCROWDED PRISONS have demonstrated.
Govt has made people to become more dependant not Independant!
Who is Paul or you to dictate what is moral! Free will & an individuals right to choose right or wrong & pay the consequences personally is what he advocates.
If we educate people on the drug they are using stop making it taboo we would eliminate all drug gangs & killings related to them. Our prisons are maxed out because we cannot afford to keep housing people for doing drugs or related crimes!
We would have a taxable industry instead of one we spend billions rehabilitating & policing!
Paul said Govt has no place in ANYONES marriage & said call it a civil union with all the same legal rights as it makes no sense to change the definition of a word to accomadate a minority & offend the majority!
Santorum wanted to outlaw internet Porn not Paul LOL.
Private Security is better then Federal look at Sanfrancisco its airports are private security has best rating nationally in security & public service!
In the private sector businessman must adhere to the laws created by govt & still function in a manner that sustains company growth or goes out of biz. In govt they make up their own rules & never create anything that is sustainable as there is no consequence for failure.
Politicians most of which are attorneys are so much better at running things?? Biz has to be competetive in service & product oir it loses customers to competition, govt has no consequence just more debt creation for us.
I do not endorse government takeover of business but somethings are better not left to businessmen to run. In some cases, it would be against our best interest to leave certain things up to the "highest bidder" mentality.
It's also my experience that private business runs things very shitty. Maybe not like government, but have you been to stores or businesses lately? You'll spend half the time trying not to get fucked out of your money by lying salesmen and careless employees.
I liked Goldwater. He was more savvy than Paul (he did get the nomination). Rockefeller was abandoned by his party in 1976 (Reagan!).
Conservative vs. the establishment. You guys have done a real bang up job. You're almost as inefficient as the liberals, just a little better and more vocal.
Don't get me started on the Tea Party. Where were you guys in 2003? It makes no sense to try to save the ship from sinking, when you could have avoided the path of iceberg many miles before.
Although Obama is well intentioned, he is not exactly the greatest "moral compass" you could find. No politician is. He's probably more moral than some others in his line of work including his two predecessors, but Obama has failed to be effective at uniting the nation and articulating a clear message in which he can keep the narrative his own and properly sell a defined direction to the people, which is a part of being a moral compass. He has failed to do that on many levels.
Yes the establishment will win either way, why reward bad behavior vote for their other candidate Mitt Romney!
I would rather advocate for someone of character with a consistant history of honesty then one of the establishment tools like with Obama or Romney. The show is getting old more of us idealists are starting to speak out!
It would seem Gary Johnson is now that candidate!
Paul's ideas cannot be achieved. His basic mantra is to the extreme. Instead of a government that does what it should, he advocates that it do next to nothing. That's not going to happen.
Also, he doesn't play with others, he's a troublemaker in his own party and doesn't compromise his views, which is required in political discourse. On top of that, he's a weak candidate will little personality, poor speaking skills and complete lack of charisma.
Paul is not electable. His son is, however.
Yes public unions especially the teachers unions & the idea of tenure should be abolished. This would be the most beneficial act for minorities stuck in a public school system. The kids should come first & teachers should be judged by their results not how long they've paid union dues!
Incompetant whites would demonstrate its who you know rather then what.
Paul cannot be a moral compass yet advocate drug policy that would have the government profit from drug sales. He then says government should have no role in the lives of citizens yet supports drug policy that will eventually lead to drug abuse that state governments will have the burden of managing, which is a new welfare system expanding the role of government.
Romney or Obama will be President in 2012. Sorry to burst the bubble. I'd like to live in that world too sometimes but then I wake up to poisoned air of reality, which is more binding than the illusionary idealism, wishful thinking and seasoned dreams of the outdated and unfounded optimism of human mind, unfortunately.
Yes EVEN BETTER THEN NOW as we had seen with the ending of prohibition, there was less violence & a new legal industry that helped boom the economy & tax revenue.
People are going to do what they want despite laws or the moral beliefs others want to impose on them.
Maybe the tea party will look out for the people without insurance. I'm sure they care. Truth is people give two shits about the man living next door. But that's a better world to live in. A world of apathy and moral anarchy. It will be lovely. A "all problems solved" utopia.
Many say he’s an asshole… I don’t see it.
Billy has the best opinion.
I would agree with on that except that he hasn't called you a fairy yet so... Until then, his opinion is shit.
Why don't you state what it is you people just don't get it means?
Perhaps if the opposition could articulate the logic in what they think, people like me could better explain why they are wrong.
Smoking is WAY down, & people will do drugs regardless so why support it with more police & crowded prisons when you can use the revenu to discourage them from trying?
I like Gary too. As far as you saying Paul is not consistant I have no idea what you are reffering too. Establishment hates Gary to, that is why he has no presence.
The constitution never uses the word "immigration" but has concept there with no specific guidelines. This leaves the regulation of it up to the federal government, which the Supreme Court (interpreters of the constitution) have upheld.
Getting off the gold standard was a bad idea but I believe it was Nixon, a conservative Republican who made the transition.
And isn't reading the constitution as whatever is not there will not be done not a conservative manipulation of the constitution?
I agree the free market didnt fail or Capitalism we are truly a state of corporate socialism where govt has underminded common sense & desency.
Alright fine. Let's legalize all drugs. It won't have any bad effects. Everything will be fine just, even better than now.
This was the dark ages for the pumpkins when billy was political and released Oceania and monuments to an elegy
I don't know if this aged good or bad with Trump down the road.
Obama was pretty much the only president in 4 decades who wasn't a total screwup.
If you're going to use drugs for comparison, use one actually comparable to illicit drugs. Tobacco doesn't send people on binges, make them sit at home and do nothing or cause them to overdose.
Also, cigarettes have always been legal and have had spikes in usage throughout time. In the 1950s, doctors & priest smoked publicly. Usage goes down in 2012. Okay. So why wouldn't drug usage be high for 20 or 30 years and go down later like cigarettes or still be popular like alcohol?
Billy Corgan is the man. Even though I was never a huge Pumpkins fan, I still liked a lot of their music and have always respected the band. Hearing Corgan speak on issues, which are relevant and being dealt with today is refreshing. The sincere way he discusses the issues, and his clarity of thought for perceiving reality makes me feel like he speaks for me.
Billy corgan doesn't even come off as a real man. He's a cat person. Lol.. Enough said.
Really? I think we must be opposites as I love his music but seriously think he's one of the most vain and pretentious artists to make up an opinion just to sound interesting.
I love Billy Corgan.
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Drugs are not tobacco. America is not the Netherlands. This country consumes more drugs than any other country. That doesn't go away with legalization. If you legalize drugs in THIS country, you'll be paying more for rehab because most people will never fully quit. Although it is bad enough, at least when they're in jail, no rehab is necessary and the jails create jobs for towns. Though this is terrible. I also lived in NYC, there is a bootleg market for cigarettes. Drugs will be the same.
You forgot to include the abuse of legal drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are pushing out medication like candy and you get patients addicted who then turn to the illegal drugs or illegal means to obtain more of the legal prescription ones.
Wait, he's Italian?!?!? I'm shocked
@. I'm Canadian. We look at ethnicity differently here. It's something that still influences you, it doesn't just go away because you grew up somewhere else. Hope that clears things up.
i love ya Caillou
Billy: I want someone with a moral compass.
Also Billy: I like Trump.
inphanta ppl keep saying this but Billy said he doesn’t like Trump, he said he only liked that he was shaking things up and that it was entertaining to watch. He clarified that he never intended that to be an endorsement.
@@bohemiandream6259 that's soft-core support, isn't it?
@@chestyvulva the way he said it was in the sense that it was amusing to watch like a clown-show, like ridiculous chaos
Imagine how he feels about trump being indicated.
*Is Billy Corgan really talking about moral compass?*
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Exactly what has he done wrong to not be able to talk about moral compass?
@@sataniksomethingblahblah6350 lifetime fan of Billy...but the moral compass line didn't age well when he took to supporting Trump and taking spears to Bernis Sanders and his perceptions of "sjws"...politically billy has always just been a vague, substanceless contrarian who's true political interests go no further than how he is affected taxwise.
Terry Balfour I mean, I suppose you’re right. I just always figured he’s being controversial for controversy sake
@@sataniksomethingblahblah6350 well there's that too! Always gonna appreciate the dude and his self admitted heel persona...just dont like the demure way he tries to vaguely throw shade at Obama. Anyways i dig the dude...just hoping he doesnt go full Nuge
@Reel1Fishing he derided Obama as lacking a moral compass...then gleefully praised Trump and his "chaos theory" campaign...why the fuck wasnt he concerned with Trumps absolute lack of morality or honesty?? Billy think he's in on all the kayfabe, he aint...or to quote Mr. Zero..he's just a bullshit faker
he has a penchant for purchase! and we bought him!
That's a good point, but I would agree with Billy. When politicians make promises and promote their plan for office, you have to trust that they will act with that in mind. A lot of the time, however, they make the speeches and then abandon them once the elections are over. So, it may not necessarily be about a president defining morality as much as governing with a strong set of principles that results in their political promises becoming reality.
He doesn't trust either party, but lots of altar boys don't trust priests.
Yeah...but at least THEY have money. THATS the important thing;-)