Having transitioned from Kung Fu towards boxing, and so looking at this from boxing/sparring mindset - the striking/theory looks good - and I know this is just a demonstration, but there is so much pre-movement of the body/legs before the strike you can really see it coming a mile away - making it way too slow (e.g. 2:13). It would be good to see a demo how to move your feet/body also so that the strike comes fast and with "no warning" - otherwise this looks like a very disjointed exercise (IMHO). So to not fall into bad habits (and I am still very amateur/learning) I think it should not be step and then punch (too slow / gives the game away), it should be more like step & punch more-or-less at the same time, right?
@alastair4839 Your misunderstanding the entire purpose of this video. The Sifu here is merely teaching you an exercise to develop one specific skill. This exercise is designed to teach you how to relax and strike without overcommitting or placing too much importance on whether or not you hit, that's it. This is not a sparring exercise or full contact full speed. I promise you no matter what this looks like to you at home, when you are sparring in front of a Xing Yi Quan practitioner and in striking range, or grappling range, the techniques are not telegraphed at all. You can enter with a Pi Chuan or splitting fist technique to the face or neck and follow up with a Beng Chuan to the liver or spleen and the opponent will never see it coming. To comment on the fighting aspects of what is shown in this video is like someone who never followed western boxing laughing at boxers who jump rope for example and commenting on how does jumping rope help you in a fight. Or commenting why a boxer is wasting his time drilling on a speed bag that doesn't hit back. You have exercises designed to develop different skills. There are plenty of Xing Yi Quan videos here on YT that show experts sparring with it against opponents for you to see how to apply it at full speed and power.
@@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life thanks for the reply, and it makes some sense. But, I am not quite convinced... when you practice like this - you "drill" in the telegraphing / bad habits. This practice could easily be done without it. In boxing - against the bag, pads, shadow-boxing, whatever - if you do bad technique and drill it in, you soon find out in sparring, or get told off :p - your analogy doesn't really hold up. Jump rope is universal (like running or anything else) and the speed bag isn't really a punch technique
@@alastair4839 What you say regarding drilling in bad habits is most certainly true, and I agree with you completely. But doing things slow in the internal arts allows the student to focus on their body structure and joints through every micro movement from the beginning to the end of each move. So moving fast all the time isn’t always advantageous for a student of the internal arts like Xing Yi or Tai Chi. By the way the strikes in Xing Yi shoot straight out toward the centerline of the opponent. So the body generates energy like a bow while the limbs strike straight out like an arrow. You will find boxing strikes like its hook punches, telegraph far more than any of the strikes found within Xing Yi.
@@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life I have no issue training slow movements. But I have done these kinds of drills many times (in Kung fu and Tai Chi) - and picked up the bad movements. I got the power and speed, but was quickly exposed later when I started to spar with the boxing / kick-boxing lads, my little rocking/prep motions meant I would get parried or slipped and countered and got hit a good many times. I had to work hard to remove all the "nonsense", so strikes are from A to B and start immediately - no pre-movement. Hooks should not be telegraphed - you might move into position before you throw one, you might not - but it is not part of the strike. I don't know, maybe I am being picky - but these movements make me cringe a bit, I think they could be done, nice and slowly, without all the rocking - that is all I am really saying - not trying to say boxing is better/worse - you just get exposed very quickly in the ring if you do any extraneous movements : )
@@alastair4839 That’s fine then you do what works for you. But don’t put down what others do just because you’re unable to make it work for you. If you’re into western boxing and you don’t have any interest in Kung Fu, why are you even here wasting your time watching Kung fu videos and commenting. Go train.
@pierre50mm Actually there is no Xing Yi Quan structure, technique, energy, or power engine found within Ninjutsu. The power engines used to generate force are completely different.
Sir, a nice,explanations, a bit one-sided. Oversimplification is for business but not for practical martial arts. Some physical efforts are still needed. Biomechanics cannot be fooled. It is obvious that a big body needs big muscles while to move, while a feeble body needs mostly generated from the sinews and the fascial structure of the body, refer to Training principals of fascial effect in Okinawan Karate. On one and of the spectre was Hercules not a feeble bodied person. His muscles driven by his intelligence made him a hero. On the opposite end stands a person like Bruce Lee , who need extra speed to generate power. Like a bullet, some gramms of lead and alloys at a right speed penetrate a brick wall. Its a matter of course that between the two extremes stand a lot of structural varieties, each of them is in need of the proper mixture of muscles and sinews or strings. A Swarzenegger bodied person cannot fight like a witng tchun practitioner, or even a XIn YI expert, should rely on simple and high speed movements. Having spent decades on the tatami, I myself know that the instructor is there to find the proper mix for the newcomer, first judging by his or her body strurcture, then flexibiity, agility and mindset as well. Let me wish you good students and good health, too, Paul ,68, retired instructor.
Good info. Thanks for posting.
I am happy that its helpful! Thank you
Thank you very much for sharing! Glad to get some new insights into Xingyi’s partner work :) *Kungfu stealing eye activated*
Thank you for this excellent Xing Yi Quan gem. This is fantastic exercise that I will be incorporating into my own daily practice.
Love the connections between the kinetic movements to the inner attitudes. Cool exercise!
Thank's for the inspiration! Very nice!
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Having transitioned from Kung Fu towards boxing, and so looking at this from boxing/sparring mindset - the striking/theory looks good - and I know this is just a demonstration, but there is so much pre-movement of the body/legs before the strike you can really see it coming a mile away - making it way too slow (e.g. 2:13). It would be good to see a demo how to move your feet/body also so that the strike comes fast and with "no warning" - otherwise this looks like a very disjointed exercise (IMHO).
So to not fall into bad habits (and I am still very amateur/learning) I think it should not be step and then punch (too slow / gives the game away), it should be more like step & punch more-or-less at the same time, right?
@alastair4839 Your misunderstanding the entire purpose of this video. The Sifu here is merely teaching you an exercise to develop one specific skill. This exercise is designed to teach you how to relax and strike without overcommitting or placing too much importance on whether or not you hit, that's it. This is not a sparring exercise or full contact full speed. I promise you no matter what this looks like to you at home, when you are sparring in front of a Xing Yi Quan practitioner and in striking range, or grappling range, the techniques are not telegraphed at all. You can enter with a Pi Chuan or splitting fist technique to the face or neck and follow up with a Beng Chuan to the liver or spleen and the opponent will never see it coming. To comment on the fighting aspects of what is shown in this video is like someone who never followed western boxing laughing at boxers who jump rope for example and commenting on how does jumping rope help you in a fight. Or commenting why a boxer is wasting his time drilling on a speed bag that doesn't hit back. You have exercises designed to develop different skills. There are plenty of Xing Yi Quan videos here on YT that show experts sparring with it against opponents for you to see how to apply it at full speed and power.
@@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life thanks for the reply, and it makes some sense. But, I am not quite convinced... when you practice like this - you "drill" in the telegraphing / bad habits. This practice could easily be done without it. In boxing - against the bag, pads, shadow-boxing, whatever - if you do bad technique and drill it in, you soon find out in sparring, or get told off :p - your analogy doesn't really hold up. Jump rope is universal (like running or anything else) and the speed bag isn't really a punch technique
@@alastair4839 What you say regarding drilling in bad habits is most certainly true, and I agree with you completely. But doing things slow in the internal arts allows the student to focus on their body structure and joints through every micro movement from the beginning to the end of each move. So moving fast all the time isn’t always advantageous for a student of the internal arts like Xing Yi or Tai Chi. By the way the strikes in Xing Yi shoot straight out toward the centerline of the opponent. So the body generates energy like a bow while the limbs strike straight out like an arrow. You will find boxing strikes like its hook punches, telegraph far more than any of the strikes found within Xing Yi.
@@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life I have no issue training slow movements. But I have done these kinds of drills many times (in Kung fu and Tai Chi) - and picked up the bad movements. I got the power and speed, but was quickly exposed later when I started to spar with the boxing / kick-boxing lads, my little rocking/prep motions meant I would get parried or slipped and countered and got hit a good many times. I had to work hard to remove all the "nonsense", so strikes are from A to B and start immediately - no pre-movement. Hooks should not be telegraphed - you might move into position before you throw one, you might not - but it is not part of the strike.
I don't know, maybe I am being picky - but these movements make me cringe a bit, I think they could be done, nice and slowly, without all the rocking - that is all I am really saying - not trying to say boxing is better/worse - you just get exposed very quickly in the ring if you do any extraneous movements : )
@@alastair4839 That’s fine then you do what works for you. But don’t put down what others do just because you’re unable to make it work for you. If you’re into western boxing and you don’t have any interest in Kung Fu, why are you even here wasting your time watching Kung fu videos and commenting. Go train.
Similar to ninjutsu.
@pierre50mm Actually there is no Xing Yi Quan structure, technique, energy, or power engine found within Ninjutsu. The power engines used to generate force are completely different.
Sir, a nice,explanations, a bit one-sided. Oversimplification is for business but not for practical martial arts.
Some physical efforts are still needed. Biomechanics cannot be fooled. It is obvious that a big body needs big muscles while to move, while a feeble body needs mostly generated from the sinews and the fascial structure of the body, refer to Training principals of fascial effect in Okinawan Karate.
On one and of the spectre was Hercules not a feeble bodied person. His muscles driven by his intelligence made him a hero.
On the opposite end stands a person like Bruce Lee , who need extra speed to generate power. Like a bullet, some gramms of lead and alloys at a right speed penetrate a brick wall.
Its a matter of course that between the two extremes stand a lot of structural varieties, each of them is in need of the proper mixture of muscles and sinews or strings.
A Swarzenegger bodied person cannot fight like a witng tchun practitioner, or even a XIn YI expert, should rely on simple and high speed movements.
Having spent decades on the tatami, I myself know that the instructor is there to find the proper mix for the newcomer, first judging by his or her body strurcture, then flexibiity, agility and mindset as well.
Let me wish you good students and good health, too, Paul ,68, retired instructor.