My dad was supposed to board this flight that night. However, my mom had just gone to the hospital that day and discovered that she was pregnant with me. So she convinced my dad to stay in the office as she felt that it would be safer for him to take the next flight when the typhoon had passed/become weaker. As my mom was a ground staff at the Singapore Airlines check-in area at the time, she was able to get my dad a ticket on the next flight out. So my dad went to sleep in the office that night and when he woke up, he discovered that he had a lot of missed calls on his work phone. His colleagues all thought that he had boarded the flight. It turns out that had my dad boarded the flight, I would've most likely grown up without knowing him. His seat was located at the front of the plane on the upper deck, and would've likely died in the crash. So I'm very grateful that my mom as able to talk some sense into my dad, as he has helped me out tremendously through my life and I don't know where I'd be without him.
I'd say you saved your dad. Your parents by then will know that you're a special kid for the family. Without you inside your mom, he'd have board on that flight.
Wow, that's an amazing story. These sorts of last minute life-changing events always amaze me. How one seemingly insignificant decision could have such a major impact on the rest of your life. Glad things worked out and I'm happy you have a good dad. He didn't just survive that event, he became a good parent. I can tell you from firsthand experience that if you were my shoes, you would have wished your dad took the flight.
as a nervous flyer, I really apreciate that mentour pilot explain every incident in a calm informatic manner and not making it into a horror film like other shows.
@Lee thank you for your comment, however my comment was a kind of joke, I used to be a frequent flyer, even long distances and I experienced two landings during heavy storms, a lightning stroke and ESD at 35000ft right next to my seat when flying through a thunderstorm. I initially thought that something had hit the airplane. I felt it through the fuselage as my arm was resting against the wall. I also watched an emergency landing of the plane ahead of us while our plane was on holding pattern circling around the airport.
@@EvoraGT430 Problem is, if you apply this mantra, then you never ever flight a plane. Because it CAN crash, it's now your responsibility to prevent that.
This is the exact thought I have when watching every video on this channel. I find myself mentally preparing to verbally dissemble any Karen who pitches a fit, too.
Same. I remember once when I got on a flight and it ended up taking I think an hour before we even got on the taxiway, and I don't remember if it was said what the problem was, but I'm sure it was very important if they were making an entire plane of passengers wait that long. There are so many times when we just have no idea what the pilots are having to deal with to make sure we make it to our destination safely.
I'm a surgeon and just yesterday i had a case where i forgot to do a small step. it was more just a minor inconvenience in the long run -- but I'm still rattled today that it had slipped my mind. makes me realize how easily big things can also fall through the cracks. your words on listening to that inner voice rang so true. as i was closing yesterday, i couldn't shake the feeling that i had missed something... sadly even though i did take a moment to consider, it still didn't click until I'd already scrubbed out. i should've just stopped what i was doing completely and ran through the steps one by one... i think we should have checklists in surgery too. idk why we don't. our nurses do -- that's they count stuff that can easily be left behind (sponges, etc). but we just rely on our very fallible brains, despite that in the heat of the moment one can easily forget something.
What's crazy for me: it's just accepted worldwide that doctors and nurses are severely overworked and nobody seems to do anything about it. Nobody thinks about the levels of accumulated fatigue we're experiencing, if we'd be to mess up, it'd be purely our personal responsibility. Maybe because we're unable to potentially kill dozens of people in one go because of our fatigue? I don't know...
@@orange_kate this frustrates me to no end though. but hey, govts would rather pay for bombs and warplanes than the basic health of its citizens, so every year our reimbursement gets cut and we have to work faster and faster to see more and more people, and meanwhile our hospital execs are cutting themselves huge bonus checks 😞
I hope you make your own checklists. All three times I delivered a baby, someone left stuff inside that came out in my shower, etc. I was hospitalized all three times for a week to two weeks, following, with infection. Terrible way to welcome a baby; totally unconscious. All these years later I realize that if I had sued, it may not have happened again. I just assumed everyone did all they could. Actually, they didn’t listen to me when I said that I could not pee, was uncomfortable and screamed with afterbirth and cotton falling out and clogged up. Cool as cucumbers everyone told me that patient reactions to surgery are unpredictable. At no point was anyone looking out for me or my infants in Princeton, NJ or Louisville, KY in 1988, 1993, 1997. I have a feeling that airline companies may have fixed things sooner than hospitals. If they ever did.
I lost a colleague and good friend in this crash. He was in the prime of his life, a very successful business professional and a very friendly and gentle person. He had Dutch nationality and was working based in Singapore, for a US company, for which he was on his way to LA. He left behind his wife and 3 children, at that time age 6, 4 and 6 months of age. In the investigation it turned out he was in a seat on the upper deck, row 19. The crash event itself did not kill any person on the upper deck, so he survived that part. Then the crew rushed out of the cockpit and tried to open the left hand door, which was not easily done. They turned to the right hand side that also did not operate. The left door finally opened, but the slide did not inflate, leaving a high jump for the people. The crew exited first (so much for captains leaving the ship last), and abandoned the scene. My friend helped the purser get people on the slide and down to safety until the deck below their feet collapsed due to the very high heat from the fire on the deck below. Both perished, as well as the people that had not been able to exit. His wife found all this out by investigating herself and talking to all the people that did get out alive. Many of them were consumed by feeling of guilt, as the person that helped them out had not made it himself. She told me she would have maybe preferred to have had a little less heroic husband. I did what I could to help her get her life on a new track, which she did beautifully. Still I also would have preferred a different course of history.
I watched the mayday-episode on this accident and I felt so bad for the pilots. The captain was so cautious and tried to do everything right and was very aware of the bad weather and the implications this had. It just shows that even when you have the best intentions and really try to do it right small mistakes and lead to catastrophic events.
I saw that episode and felt the same way. The poor pilot was trying to be extra careful, and his "reward" was a horrible tragedy. Alas, no good deed goes unpunished. 😥 One theory advanced by the TV episode was that because the pilot was going slower than usual, the distance traveled from the terminal seemed longer, so that when the pilot finally arrived at the runway, he thought he had reached the far (correct) runway rather than the near (incorrect) one. And of course, the misleading taxiway lights undoubtedly contributed to the error. One set of bright, densely-arranged lights guides you invitingly to a nearby runway, while the other lights are dim, far apart, and in one case, not even working. And on top of that, the pilot was accustomed to seeing only lights that guided him to the correct runway. To my mind, this taxiway lighting issue was the single most important contributing factor.
Losing situational awareness like this is a horrible horrible feeling. It happened to me once during my PPL when i was flying solo to yuma in a small piper Archer. I had been there once before with my instructor and so I wasn't completely unfamiliar of the airport layout, but Yuma being a shared military airport has some long wide and intersecting runways and a fairly complicated taxiway map. On my solo i was given taxi instructions for an intersection take off, at first i accepted the clearance and started taxiing but soon i started feeling really uneasy about whether or not i was going the right way, So i fessed up and requested for a full runway departure WITH progressive taxi and the controllers did a great job of getting me back on track but more importantly helping me get my situational awareness back. When in doubt always take a step back and don't be afraid to ask for help
I've been driving in my neighborhood for 32 years. However, routine and complacency still occasionally cause me to miss turns, depart to a different destination, et cetera. I usually pull over and clear my mind to focus on the task, an advantage of driving or if my teen grandkud is with me she's my First Officer and she was raised to speak up. Good on you for asking, and glad they helped. MUCH better than taking a chance.
Whenever I hear the phrase "situational awareness" I think of the time I was driving along a motorway in the dark and suddenly a combination of slight mist and oncoming lights shining through the centre barrier created what looked like a solid barrier across my lane, too close to stop for. The absolute terror in that moment, and then the utter disorientation as I drove "through" it, will never leave me. Suddenly, what had seemed like a very clear view of the road was actually just an abstract pattern of lights in the dark. I no longer had any idea what those lights meant, and I was still moving at 70mph with no grasp on my surroundings whatsoever. Thankfully it only took a second or two to regain my marbles, and I carried on without incident, but I'll never forget it. The brain takes sometimes very minimal input and turns it into what seems like a rock solid understanding of our surroundings that we would be crazy to doubt - but when it builds the wrong model, all bets are off and we discover we know less than nothing about what's really going on.
Hey, Singaporean here. I want to make a correction to something about this video, because people are not going to be familiar with Singapore slang grammar. At 13:27, the pilot is actually rushing. He's saying something more along the line of "If we don't get out soon, it's going to get worse." He is in fact, rushing.
9:54 The captain says slow down, take your time, make sure we've covered all the bases. If any rush was there it was to make use of a small weather window to get out while could before the typhoon actually hit. Cut them some slack, these guys did everything they could to get it right. After living in Spore for 2 years, I know you guys have a very perfectionist view on life, no mistakes allowed, shame if you fail to meet unacceptably high standards...failure is very human and a part of life, otherwise were just robts in a mechanical environment
@@hamishcollidenot to critique pilot ofc, just to highlight that in this instance they got it wrong with singlish, because its meant to indicate that they are trying to avoid not being able to takeoff.
@hamishcollide It did not sound to me like OP of this comment thread was trying to assign blame, just educate public about the nuances of Singlish. The main problem, of course, is that intonation matters A LOT, especially on the "ah"s and "lah"s, so unless we hear the actual recording, it's kind of hard to get what the pilots' actual meanings were.
This shows how important ground lights and the pilot language they use for taxiways is. Also this is as always the best presentation of the accident made by amazing video creators!
@@MentourPilot Its not just language. Too many things were giving them signs NOT to take off. Substandard situational awareness and confirmation bias compelled them continue the take off. This accident is a good example of the Swiss cheese model. TPE is a much safer airport because of this accident.
Retired now but, I used to work in a hospital emergency room and when things started getting really out of control, we were always taught to check our own blood pressure first (slow things down) before making rash decisions. Love your break down of these events.
Weird how the slides can't operate in winds that are OK for takeoff. Seems like they should design a safety slide that works in all operating wind speeds, if possible of course.
the slides are also rafts and must automatically detach if the airframe becomes submerged, so there is some amount of force (either by buoyancy or by wind) that will detach them
I've watched most of your videos, and this stands out as one of the scariest and saddest. Making a wrong turn in the dark feels like such a simple and human mistake, as easy to make as accidentally taking the wrong highway exit in a car. I can only imagine the guilt the pilots must still carry over it.
THIS was not a simple "mistake". Your comparison was simplistic and naive. This was a total lack of airmanship and professionalism in a machine designed to operate in low visibility conditions.
@@emo7636 In aviation terms this was low visibility. ...Actually 450 mtrs is not that low.... They could see plenty of GREEN centre line taxiway lighting. ... Who takes off on such a surface ??? This was an approaching Typhoon......it had not yet arrived ....winds have to be 80 kts plus. Well done.... these cyclone are called different names in different parts of the world. How is that relevant . Just appalling airmanship and professionalism.
@@daftvader4218yet it often happens that a driver is riding on a closed highway lane, sometimes resulting in a crash, despite all the evidence you're driving in a closed lane (no other cars, big red crosses or even arrows telling you to change the lane. If you take a wrong exit from the highway, you have possibly a GPS clearly showing which route to take. Yet when 2 exits are only 100m apart, people often take the wrong one. Despite their GPS, despite the different names on the pointers above the highway, despite your GPS clearly telling you which one to. It's easy to blame others. There was simply confirmation bias. Pilots are not immune to it. They are only human too. But if you ever took a wrong turn while following a GPS and only finding out after the GPS rerouted, you made just the same mistake since you had 2 visual and even one oral 'warning', showing/telling you which one to take. Now maybe you live in a not very busy part of the world with exits far from each other, which makes it almost impossible to take the wrong one. But as someone who lives in Antwerp I can tell you if you don't know the area, you will make mistakes. I say that as an experienced driver that drives very often and long distances, as an ex cab driver and as someone that drove twice over 3500kms from Belgium to Turkey. I can assure you that no matter your level of experience, if you spend a lot of time on the road, you're bound to make exactly that mistake, especially if you get less than perfect information.
It's good that the FO is still able to tell this incident to others as a lesson that he doesn't want his students to make, as he alr made this mistake. Hats off to him. I would be ashamed to recount this if I were him
I think this one is the most understandable and human of all the errors I can recall seeing on this channel. I'm glad there were survivors, but it's a shame it couldn't be everyone. RIP.
No it is not..... Loads of basic errors that any professional human being would have avoided... Several basic instrument check including the basic moving map which Petter totally ignores in his inaccurate, biased report based on the Singapore white wash. Take Petter's reports with a pinch of salt....they are not accurate... Eg Typhoons don't track like that at all for a start. Who takes off on a surface with green centre line lighting and blue edge lighting? ?
@@daftvader4218you also have a bias towards pilots. I'd say the one to blame the most is the airport for creating a hazardous environment at the airport because they thought saving money is worth more than people's lives.
Ok, the pilots missed a couple of visual clues given by their instrumentation that correctly told them they were lined up on the wrong way however, why the freaking hell is a runway not in use, and with construction equipment on it lit up like a ruddy Christmas tree? Was the accident avoidable? Sure it was. Is it understandable how the mistake was made? Likewise, sure it was. Another masterpiece of presentation and explanation Captain Petter, I always so look forward to your content regardless of the subject matter both on this channel, and your Mentour Now
@@johannageisel5390 The reason there were no big barriers on the rest of the runway was because it was an active taxiway. Barriers would have prevented it's use for that purpose. The taxiway lights should have been enough to hint to the pilots they hey maybe you're not actually on a runway. It's understandable that they missed this though given the conditions.
I watched the Air Crash Investigation episode on this incident only a few days ago. Very excited to hear Mentour's presentation of it! I find these videos tend to include more of an interesting perspective on how pilots make the mistakes that they do and a focus on how these mistakes can be prevented. This was a very sad incident and I do feel for the pilots.
I was just saying that! LOL! I’m not sure if we watched the same one, but the one I saw blamed the pilot for being TOO cautious…since he was going slower, that he probably thought he’d gone farther than he actually had. And although they touched on some of the other findings too, I think the way Mentour explains things makes so much better sense. We get to hear an explanation of what *should* be happening and why, as well as what the instruments are saying, how the crew might have interpreted them… all in the context of the simulated steps-not as a summary at the end.
@@ellicel Yes. I feel some of these TV shows disrespect the facts in favour of "good dramatic television". Memtour is to the point without focusing on assigning blame but rather focusing on the why things happened in the first place
@@ellicel The ACI episode missed a lot of details mentioned in this video. Like the taxiway lighting problems, active runway lighting missing , the closed runway being converted to taxiway and still being active as taxiway, and some of the cockpit instruments that could be used to catch the mistake. The quality of this video is much higher.
Airlines and airports are usually so meticulous. I would have expected at least a physical sign at the start of the closed runway saying "Runway Closed". It shows you can never overdo safety and alert information
Shortly after the accident the local news interviewed a British (iirc) aviation specialist and his opinion was an airfield with obstructed runways that are not prominently closed off are disasters waiting to happen.
As a newcomer to the world of aviation I find these fascinating, no other industry I know of is so diligent in identifying root causes of accidents. There are many lessons to learn for everyday life also in terms of decision making and communication. I would love to get my PPL here in the UK but it's so expensive!
yeah, when you consider each accident holds the lives of 100-200 people, I'm very glad they take it so seriously. it's comforting in part to know that very few repeat major incidents happen, apart from relating the many incidents that can happen with those damn pitot tubes...
USCSB a parallel federal agency to NTSB that is in charge of chemical accident analysis does the similar thing in aviation and they also have a very good TH-cam channel for publicizing accident report But the diligence on the industry side is way lower than aviation. may be due to the chemical industry not directly servicing the general public
@@play005517 It also probably has to due with the magnitude of aviation accidents, mainstream media covers it more and the death/fatality rate is higher as chemical spills usually occur in distant plants or factories not filled with a ton of people.
Having watched another channel’s reporting, I was familiar with this accident but I’m always amazed at how much more thorough Mentour Pilot is with his explanation of what actually happened. And he always includes takeaways that are relevant for any field, not just aviation. Also, I want to thank the team for adding a warning that this particular episode will deal with loss of life. That really helps to make sure I’m in the right headspace to continue watching.
I feel bad for those pilots, yes they did not fully use all the cockpit instrumentation, but the weather, no ground radar, air traffic control, and runway taxi lights all played a part. rest in peace for those who lost their lives, may those who survive find peace in the lives.
Yeah, they made some mistakes, but there were a lot of things wrong with the airport that probably would have prevented the mistakes. I think the lighting was the biggest one. Why would you put so many lights to indicate a turn but so few for going straight?
I am not a Pilot, but I was surprise that the air traffic control tower can’t see all the planes on all runways all the time! I thought that was a major point of the tower - being up high, with lots of windows and binoculars. Also for the 3mm. maximum of rain allowed on the runway, why doesn’t a ground crew check that just before take off, if it’s raining heavily? Why would the Pilots get out and do that, and get all kinds of condensation inside the cockpit and windows!?
@@paddlefar9175 Fun fact, the crosswind runway at Indianapolis (KIND) was shortened because the south end wasn't visible from the new control tower due to the Fedex hub blocking visibility.
I work at an airport and there are many procedures that are carried out with a checklist. The problem with these is that (like with any other thing you do routinely) you get complacent. You go through the process haphazardly, because nothing bad has happened before. It's difficult to maintain the diligence of checking everything thoroughly, when you have done it a hundred times before. Maintaining the feeling of importance of every check is challenging. If you get complacent and just "go through the motions" with other things on your mind, accidents happen.
Yes. I worked with track workers on subways. A guy who had 32 years in service was carrying a bag of railroad spikes partway blocking his view over right shoulder. Crossing tracks right in the path of an approaching train. I grabbed his back belt to stop him. He was so used to doing this that he didn't think or hear a train. He retired.
It is so hard to imagine many bad scenarios and avoid them all and then feel that you are not being overly cautious. But cautious people avoid major accidents by being cautious. I have made so many errors by having a general manner of disregarding my very cautious father and it has cost me dearly. I wish I had been an orphan so that I did not have those internal biases.
A colleague (he was a good friend) died in the upper business class on this one. His colleague was assigned next to him, but decided to move back to the tail of the aircraft, where a row of 5 seats was available to sleep on. He survived.
@@aurelia8028 why would you even ask if someone has proof for something like that? Weird. It’s not such a rare occurrence in south east asia on some of the airlines, coupled with the difficult weather and massive differences in infrastructure and equipment maintenance standards. My dad’s good friend and colleague was meant to be on a Garuda Air flight from Jakarta, but had just gotten back from somewhere else and wanted to stay in Jakarta a day longer so rebooked. That flight went down with all souls. He’s still haunted by that to this day. What proof could we possibly give you?
@@darcgibson5099 most of the comments that do this always start with either I lost a colleague and good friend in this crash or I lost a good friend and colleague in this accident i can understand why people are seeing its fake now
@@FatalErrorSnasMatthewHorsted not "seeing", thinking. They're thinking it's fake. When people lose loved ones, they tend to follow any reports on how they lost them. It's no coincidence they stumbled upon these videos
I accidentally stumbled upon this video within 15 mins of it's upload, I was watching another of your aircraft accident series and TH-cam just autoplayed this video. I've never had such coincidences in my life happen to me before so it's always worth pressing the Subscribe button.
Very interesting and sad. From what I've read on this crash is that many pilots had complained for years about the potential for the 05R runway to be mistakenly used in situations with low visibility. But the airport ignored their concerns. Apparently that runway was rarely used as a runway, and the next day after this crash is the day it was scheduled to be officially documented as a taxiway. Another note, from what I've read the airport still did not implement ground radar even after this crash, and possibly not until 2015. Which is mind boggling. The airline spent millions in lawsuits, but the airport apparently didn't feel the need to make more than a couple cheap changes. Can you confirm if they have Ground radar currently?
Yes, TPE now has ground radar and its runway designations are now 05L/23R and 05R/23L for the north and south runways respectively instead of 05/23 and 06/24. The runways and taxiways have also recently been resurfaced and a new CAT III ILS have been installed for the north runway, the same one Singapore Flight 6 was supposed to takeoff from. Taoyuan Airport has been criticized by many Taiwanese for many years for being old and outdated when compared to other major international airports in Asia like Changi, Incheon, Narita, etc., but the airport is modernizing and improving as we speak now.
From historical satellite imagery on Google Earth, it seems that the ground radar system was built at any time between June 2002 and September 2009 (historical imagery was available for these 2 months, but not in between so the range is very wide), definitely not as late as 2015, of course, unless it took 5 years or more between completion and activation of the system which I don't think is plausible.
@@canineatnight6026 It seems that you have not understood the video. There were a number of things that both pilots AND the airport could/should have done which would have prevented the crash from occurring.
I lived in Taipei... when it rains, believe me, it bangs it down. Taoyuan 40 miles away from Taipei city centre towards the coast, often bares the brunt of weather like this.
I lost a good friend and colleague in this accident. He, his young wife, and a year-old son were returning to CA from India after a vacation. I remember how much I wept when I saw the news on Yahoo! It was surreal. First, it was -- oh a Singapore Airlines had an accident at Taipei on the way to LAX. Then a few seconds later it suddenly dawned on us ...wasn't "J" and his family on this flight? Followed by a silence, then hope that there were survivors, then despair when we saw his name on the list of the deceased. It was a horrible, horrible, time. Just thinking on how gruesome his death was and how much he would have suffered, along with his wife and his young son; imagining his despair at not being able to protect his young family...
Sometimes a false sense of security has a role in the play. They flew the day before without incident. Now the situation changed thus not the same results to be expected.
I lost a colleague and good friend in this crash I lost a good friend and colleague in this accident why do they always start with these starting to think these are fake now
@@FatalErrorSnasMatthewHorsted Because it happens too often and the people who this happened to often come to these videos when thinking about their friends and family who passed away in these accidents. Sadly, there are a few people out there using these terrible accidents in the worst way to get attention, but many of the people here really did lose someone. If you think about it, on this particular accident, 83 people died. How many friends and family members did each one of them have? How many friends and family do they all add up to? What are the chances that one of those probably many people come here when thinking about the accident and the friends and/or family? What are the chances that one of those people might leave a comment here? It's a small world after all. RIP those who perished in this crash.
This video gives me a new appreciation for the workload of pilots and how much trust they have to put into other people doing their jobs correctly so they don’t make mistakes.
So damn easy to make a mistake........Three very experienced knowledgable professionals. I gain more and more respect for those pros every time I watch these videos. Thank you again Capt. Petter for yet another outstanding examination with human and pro outtakes included.
A year late in the comment, local Singaporean here and I can still remember this incident being heavily covered in the local news back in my childhood days, especially so when the country was proud of her national carrier, only for this incident to happened. I was too young (about 11 yo) to understand the severity of this unfortunate event.
Having flown out of TPE a lot I can have great sympathy for the Singapore crew, I remember that runway end very well and it used to be very dark and the markings and lights at 05r very dim.. And worse when you are at night at the edge of a typhoon. I was very familiar with that part of the airport before this accident happened. When I heard of it my heart sank, and I knew very much what it was.
I said sympathy not reassignment of cause. That end of the airport was atrocious for years. And plop pilots that are accustomed to " following the green" into that was a disaster in the making. To say "Rubbish" strikes me as something a smug POME would say .
Maybe there should be a minimum set of requirements of high level, high grade instrumentats that an airport or airstrip should have before it is usable for landing and takeoff. Governments spend trillions on war and bullshit and are unable to implement simple safety measures for the citizens. Barbaric.
@@jaytowne8016 You were obviously a passenger looking out of a little widow which, of course , make you fully qualified to comment. It must have been so scary for you...was it dark ?? Bong...Bong! ...Bong !!!
I work on a team that conducts failure investigations on equipment. The way you cover the failure investigation details is excellent. Hats off to you and the teams writing the incident reports. Every single incident has key takeaways to remember.
I was on the Thai Airways flight which took off before the illfated SQ flight. We were immediatelt hit by windshear not long after takeoff n moderate turbulence for abour an hour after that. Shocked to hear the news after landing in Bangkok.
I think by collating a clear concise and engaging record of significant aviation accidents this channel could make a serious contribution to improving air safety. I'd imagine videos like this would have more of an impact on those in the industry than just simply reading reports, because they are more memorable, and more engaging. This channel is a really brillaint project, always excellently executed.
@@hb1338 never read any so I don't know but I don't doubt you. I get what you are saying. I just think the videos really drive home the reality and magnitude of mistakes etc in a really vivid and memorable way, and as such might stick in the mind in a way a dispassionate report might not.
@@frank327 The NTSB, here in the U.S., began including documentary-style video reports along with their written reports a few years ago, and I believe they’ve been producing accident animations since well before that. I don’t know if bureaus in other jurisdictions do the same, but I’d be surprised if at least some of them (like the BEA in Europe) didn’t do something similar.
I have used some of the suggested techniques of slowing down, etc. when I was learning woodworking and when I learned to sail. I would imagine exactly what the movements of my hands when I was going to use a machine and what could possibly go wrong and what I would do in that case. Same with sailing. I would imagine all the possibilities of things that could go wrong and how I would handle them and then practice them with no other boats near me. I still use the technique today as I will go through everything before putting on my drywall stilts for a job I'm doing today. I will even plan on what happens if I lose my balance and fall. My phone will be on me securely and in a place that is unlikely to be damaged so I can call someone if I hurt myself. So far I've never been hurt in all my adventures and all my different careers. This is one reason I love this channel. He reminds us of all the personal checklists for safety and to be aware of our bias toward assumptions in all of our endeavours.
We need you to join in Mentor's pilot training program. Thinking like yours will make great supplementary skills for all profession's safety, especially pilots.
I'm of the opinion that when a typhoon is about to hit the airport area it is better to cancel all flights. Even if the pilots are well trained, and the air craft in pristine condition, such kind of weather conditions increase dramatically the chances that something might go really wrong.
@@mandowarrior123 The passengers safety should be their priority. And at the end of the day how many times can a typhoon hit an area each year. Once or twice for a couple of days at worst. In this particular case they should have rescheduled all flights.
@@creativecolours2022 Why ? There is no increased risk to safety if procedures are followed correctly, which they were in this case. The crash was not caused by the typhoon alone.
@@hb1338 Even if they followed the procedures correctly they wouldn't be able to see that the runway was blocked due to the bad weather and they wouldn't be able to stop because the runway was like a a lake. And generally speaking the procedures were not followed correctly because the pilots were rushing up to take off because of the bad weather. If the authorities had rescheduled the flights for half a day later nothing of these would have happened.
Hi I’m from Singapore. Thank you for making a video of this air flight accident. I can recall how shocking it was when we received the news in Singapore as this was the first accident that happened to a Singapore Airlines plane. The pilots were then badly berated by the public. Having watched your video now, I can better understand that there were other reasons/factors that we did not know then, which contributed to this accident. It probably could have been avoided. A friend of my ex-colleague was a cabin crew in this flight died. My condolences to the families of the casualties.
I am not a pilot, but I am intrigued on how quickly things can go wrong in flying. Thanks for the expanding of my knowledge of aviation and I thoroughly enjoy your videos!
Can you explain RAAS to us laymen? Alternatively, they could have erected two or four flashing stop signs is some thoughtful fashion. And what's wrong with a laser to trigger an alarm in the control tower? Forgive me for seeming impatient, but given the typhoon, this seems squarely on the airport.
@@russellsilver7385 The RAAS gives aural advisories relating to aircraft position during landing and takeoff. It's based on GPS and other data. If you go above 40 knots on the taxiway, it will assume you have made a mistake. However, the system relies on an up-to-date airport database in the aircraft's computers. These databases are probably not updated fast enough to cover every airport change. If it wasn't up to date, it would have advised them that they were lining up on the right hand runway, not the left. Then it would be up to the crew to acknowledge that they were on the wrong runway. So, it's still possible human error could have resulted in this accident even with RAAS.
Wow. Great report as always! How many airports guide airliners to the correct runway by turning on only the taxiway lights direct to the that runway, as you mentioned in this video? I’d not heard of that. This would only be possible when the airport is quiet? Right? It sounds both ingenious and dangerously coddling for pilots. I so enjoy your work and so appreciate your humanity, P! I would just love it if you’d stop using the word “toward” when “to” is the correct word, which it usually is. Please keep up the absolutely fantastic work! I hope you are being rewarded handsomely for your excellence!. Cheers! -DJ, PPL/SEL/SES
I have a colleague that drove down a road in the dark, then missed a sign and a traffic controller. Had to do a emergency break 300M later on the road because of a road crew working there. Lucky the crew was out drinking coffee when they here a noise. They stept outside where they see the truck heavily damaged with other materials. This is what happend, the traffic controller that supposed to stand there wave the traffic to make a right turn. needed to pee, so he decided because there was no traffic at that moment to do that. When he hear the truck coming he tried to get back but the truck flew by him and the truckdriver never saw him. First of my college was speeding he did an 85 where he should be doing a 60 so that was the mistake on his part. But you know how that goes hurry up the more Mileage the better. Second the traffic controller never should leave his post, and should have peed in front or the behind the car. then he wouldn't have missed the truck and this wouldn't never happend. Well my colleague did have a very expensive lesson. It cost him 6 months to recover from his leg injury. So he had no pay at that moment. The traffic controller was with another company because he was not fit to do the lone night shift's. At least that's what I heard. But this could have been far worse if the road workers didn't do a coffee brake. Just wanted to share this after the video..
@@MentourPilot Yes and I think they learned both their lesson, he is driving a bit slower with the truck but also the company took their lesson we all now have a warning system in the truck when we miss something and the sensor picks it up it will engage the brake system automatically. Also on the newer trucks the computer read signs and will decelerate the truck to that speed. if you will get an accident with the system turned off you will pay a heavy fine from the company. so yes in this case we can drive saver now.
I mentioned this accident before to a late uncle of mine who was also a SQ pilot and he told me how he nearly made the same mistake on another flight the day before/few days before this ill-fated flight. They were saved by his alert FO who noticed that they were on Runway 5R before they started their takeoff roll.
When it's late at night, you're scrolling through TH-cam struggling to find anything good to put on, and bang... new Mentour Pilot video. Impeccable timing tbh
Its probably not that important, but just a note, that the path of the Typhoon was actually the reverse of what's shown in the animation (it first crossed the Philippines, then Taiwan from the South, and then dissipated by the time it got to Japan after the accident)
Unsure how your channel came into my view but loving it. My husband was a pilot, US ex- military and always made me feel safe. Even though he was killed in a similar situation I still enjoy flying. Thank you for your in-depth analysis of these flights.
I am not one to praise content creators, but well done for standing-up for those making mistakes. I have abandoned TV because of sloppy sensationalism and its hard to find channels even here where people do not try to make things sound worse then they are. Well done for praising their competence even after their mistake.
As a Singaporean, it makes me feel really sad as it's really an unfortunate incident that could have been avoided, reminding me of the Swiss Cheese model you explained in past videos. Thank you for this as I've only ever knew of SQ006 departing the wrong runway, but not to this great detail - like the difference in follow-the-greens at both airports. (It actually came as a surprise to me when this accident was featured) P.s. Ever since SQ006, SIA being really superstitious (it's seems to be an Asian thing) were reluctant to apply any special livery onto their planes and subsequently withdrawn the second 747 with the same livery, until our 50th independence where they painted two[?] Airbus A380 with SG50 branding.
@@truongkimson Its just a company belief, There is really no planes now within SQ that sports a special livery other than the compulsory star alliance branding, on 2 777-300ERs and one 737 max.
When I line up on the runway, I always tell myself out loud what runway I see in front of me. It's shocking that the crew couldn't see the gigantic "05R" painted on the runway. If the rain was so heavy that they couldn't see it should have been another huge warning. Thanks to Mentour Pilot for this high quality 'training' video.
I actually think this is quite possible that they didn’t see the 05R marking. As far as I know, the runways threshold is located directly on the taxiway leading up to both 05R and 05L, meaning that you will pass the threshold while turning of the taxiway. If the pilots are focused on the taxilights to make the turn work, especially concerning of sliding, it’s very possible that they didn’t recognized it. Also I don’t know if the threshold would eben be visible at all, the 747 is quite a long aircraft with a wide turning circle, meaning the marking could basically be hidden behind the aircrafts cockpit wall behind the F.O. Also keep in mind how high they sit above the ground, the 744s nose is further up front than the cockpit, often times blocking the view on parking stands and therefore requiring airport staff guidance.
The O5R signage had been removed by that contruction equipment during the conversion. .. It was a taxiway with new green centre line lighting blue edge lights.
There was no runway sign 05R to see as the surface had been converted to a taxiway with green centre line lighting and blue edge lighting. Petter totally fails to mention this in his repetition of the Singapore white wash .
Petter, I have already watched and read ALL of these crash investigations through both primary and secondary sources but still end up watching yours because you are much better at putting it all in a comprehensive and digestible manner. They make more sense even though it's the same story. Well done as always.
Even when some other show or channel has covered an accident, Mentour never fails to bring way more & accurate information. He should probably be hired as a consultant on various projects.
What a lot of these disasters have in common is that they walk up a "stairway" of errors that by themselves are not consequential but lead to a moment that is consequential
This reminds me of a similar incident that happened in King Khalid Airport where Jet Airways pilot attempted to take off from a taxiway that was parallel to the runway. Likely he realised his mistake before coming to a full stop on the ditch all passengers were safe.
While the accidents you report on and break down are terrible, I still really enjoy the way you make everything so understandable. I hope that pilots also watch your channel and learn from the mistakes of others.
You are the most impressive aviation youtubers of all with all your enthusiasm to show the hard work of your colleagues in the industry to make it the biggest wonder of human history. Flying is one the feelings people love but consider dangerous and the world needs your pov to see it like us aviation lovers.
@@NikanDragosysSerpenDra There's a reason planes no longer depart in severe weather. This is it. Any kind of storm is cause to ground all air traffic affected. Period. Better that people have to delay their holiday plans than crash, burn, and die from some human errors.
I’ve said it previously and I’ll say it again - the more Aircrash investigations I watch, the more likely I am to avoid flying at night, especially in the rain, especially in unfamiliar countries!
You’re probably an American lmao, your planes crash much more than asian ones, in fact, best airlines are asian. Nothing to do with ‘ foreign countries’
Excellent presentation again! Hearing the description by a practising pilot makes the story so much better than the TV presentation I have seen - and without all the emotional crap, too!
This story is particularly sad because the crew (and especially the captain) were taking care and doing everything right up to the last point of turning onto the wrong runway. I think the captain must have felt such relief that they thought they were at the correct point that his mind was desperate for the release "after all this stress and care, let's just get off the runway now". I'm sure they must blame themselves totally for mssing several chances to confirm the runway at the last minute.
Petter, I really love your channel. You explain things so well that even people with no technical knowledge can understand it. And the videos are of amazing quality. Thanks, mate!
I am a Titanic Enthusiast and that got me interested in, shall I say, forensic discussions on why and how man-made disasters happen, such as the Hindenburg, the Lusitania sinking, plane crashes, etc. I have seen many of these plane incidents covered on other outlets, like "Air Disasters," "Mayday" and "Seconds from "Disaster," but I really love your channel and how you explain things from a pilot's perspective. Great job. Anyway, I DO have a couple of questions about this particular accident. I know with ALL man-made disasters, hindsight is 20/20, but why wasn't the flight canceled outright? My second question is that when the plane was pushed back in the wrong direction, why didn't the crew NOTICE their error? Thanks.
As explained in the video, the plane was not pushed back in the “wrong” direction, but different to what they had been briefed. The recognised this correctly and took the according route. The mistake was that they didn’t carry on past runway 05R, which was closed. Also clear from the video: The decision to cancel this flight would have been the pilots’ to make. They decided to go ahead, and did not know that they should have been assessing the possibility of water contamination themselves, as they were used to airport systems taking care of this.
@@TitanicHorseRacingLover it may not have been contaminated and the same disaster occur. And as the video shows, due to the bad lighting setup and that it was a runway it looked like one. They hadn't used it before. Due to the lighting failures it would've looked like the last turning. They are completely dependant on the lighting here which was inadequate.
Thank you for your terrific analysis - with visual aids. As a passenger, I always pay attention to where the Emergency exits are and count how many rows I am from them. I wear sensible shoes/clothing and always pay attention to the cabin staff despite hearing the safety information dozens of times - they may need to save my life. I would feel very secure with you as 'my' pilot with your diligence and striving for accuracy. Sometimes, however - it is not Pilot error and simply what was meant to be. Kindest regards Mentour Pilot :)
Great level of technical detail again. Keep it up, that is what sets you apart. This is truly something no flight crew should ever have to go through. Did they ever fly again? I read somewhere in the comments that the captain at least did, what about the others?
Really good explanation - I have known about this incident but the report had implied that the pilots were incompetent. I love the non judgemental way that you analyse the incident and use your experience to explain how the incident happened. These were very qualified pilots and operation in very severe conditions and were not helped by the environment they were in. The lesson I have learned from you is "if it looks wrong - the likelihood it is wrong.
The safety approach taken by the crew was very good and yet this tragedy happened in my opinion because of the following 1. Expectation bias which is a nasty Swiss cheese hole in many accidents/incidents/mistakes. The taxiway routing and lighting of the taxiway cl and the fact they got the take off clearance when they did (no ones fault) added to this. Plus the two lights not working at line up. I'm sure the captain wouldve noticed the green light continuing during the take off roll, but even when the inner voice is screaming, it takes a few seconds to assimilate and process. 2. Controller not mentioning cross 05R is an essential part which was missed. That would have caused a trigger in the diligent crews thought process. 3. Any new airport or airports with wip on runway, a good safety net to have is select the ils freq and note the loc position on line up. It's mostly done for lvto but a good practice is to do at unfamiliar aerodromes. PVD in this case Or LS pb on the airbus, if you don't see the loc signal aligned, or a lack of it will be a trigger. 25:01 based on the transcript is when I hear muffled screams in the captains thought process. No disrespect to the crew as all was well till that point. I reiterate that they took some really good decisions upto that point. Great work by mentour as always and i feel so very sad for the crew. They didn't rush., we're quite well prepared, yet murphy decided to play his cruel game. With the current grf terminology, the crew might have not taken off as the xwind limitation was exceeded, something I can safely surmise they would have figured out. Love the advice at the end where the inner voice is screaming to you to do the right thing, has saved me on more than one occasion. Safe flights to everyone.
Your great analyses of these disasters deserves more recognition. You should be hosting the mainstream air crash investigation shows on The Smithsonian Channel and others .
In UK air crash investigation is aired on the National Geographic Channel back to back.. sometimes over a 24 hour period they show season after season over the whole wkend
To be honest, I prefer the less dramatic presentations of Captain Hörnfeldt (Mentour Pilot) on this very good channel. The air crash investigation-stories mostly overdramatize the things that happened to make it sound more bombastic or tragic. Mr. Mentour's analysis is always pragmatic and focused on the possibilities of improvement, which is very positive and inspiring. I'm always excited when I see that a new episode arrived. :D
Thanks for your amazing work I am impressed how beautifull and clear the graphics and animations are. The excellent presentation makes it very interesting and lovely to watch. Perhaps you can publish an episode behind the scenes and how its made. Keep up the good work Jacques
This channel is quickly becoming one of my favourites. It literally just showed on my recommended page a couple days ago and it’s just pure excellence. Amazing level of detail, an actual point of view from a pilot, and nice and long content to binge watch.
There's one other small issue with the construction barricade; they were using red lights. Red light is the most difficult colour to see at night, especially under poor conditions, which is why if we're driving during snowstorms or heavy fog we turn our 4-way indicators on, because the yellow light is much easier to see than our red running lights.
Something you missed when mentioning "things that should have indicated they were in the wrong place". And that is that they were supposed to make that right turn and then continue straight, hold short, continue, and turn then turn right again onto the runway. Instead they did 1 quick right turn and called it good. Shouldnt they have noticed they skipped all those other parts?
@@medved7153 A small badly-lit sign at ground level viewed from 75 feet up and obscured by water all over the windscreen - much more easily said than done. Try it next time you are sitting in the jump seat.
Love these video investigations so much. Even though this info is in a final report, this format is infinitely easier to consume for pilots, crew and others. Thanks Mentor Pilot
Seen a few videos and documentaries on this. First time someone has discussed the difference in the taxi lighting between the two airports used by the crew. None that I recall questioned the taxi instructions. This was well done.
Another great video! I particularly liked the graphic visualisations of the taxing and takeoff routes, which are of great relevance to the incident. Thank you, Mentour Pilot, for another outstanding aviation report. Kind Regards, Anthony ----------------- P.S. - An afterthought: wouldn't be nice, for a taxing aircraft, to have onboard an airport navigational map with GPS, similar to those we have in the car? In this manner nighttime, rain, fog and blown light bulbs wouldn't confuse the pilot, which would always follow the correct taxiway and runway, even if he is not familiar with the layout of the airport. Just saying...
There is actually a bit more to this. I was one of the people involved in the technical support for the investigation from the Singapore side. Based on some of the things you mention, it would appear that you managed to get hold of the CAAS report which is better than the Taiwan CAA report. However, that still doesn’t tell the full story. Thank you for this video and analysis of such a tragic event.
Hey Philip! Thank you for your feedback. What additional points should have been included? When I create these, I do so based strictly on the information available in the final report. If there are other reliable sources, I would love to know where to find them.
Some of the accident videos remind me of pictures from the Tenerife disaster. You explained this incident very very well. I watch your videos because I pick up lessons that I apply to my life and my job. Keep up the good work thank you
i wish i could become a pilot but things got real bad in my life , so bad i had a brain heammorrage etc at 25 and was put in a coma for 5 weeks , but i wish you all the best and always watch your videos . always look forward and never look backwards , live by the second and not minute god bless.
I've read about this crash before and thought there were so many lessons to be learned. You covered it very well and made it very interesting to hear about.
What must it be like- even now- for the flight crew to know they were primarily responsible for this accident. I am minded of the words spoken by Captain Hunt of the Kegworth (Castle Donnington) accident: "We were the easy option-the cheap option if you wish. We made a mistake - we both made mistakes - but the question we would like answered is why we made those mistakes." Should the FC ever have been put into the position of having to try and fly out anyway? I work in road transport management and have adopted and adapted many aviation procedures for maintenance, operations and personnel management and I am not entirely sure that I'd have been happy sending one of our vehicles out into the middle of a hurricane, let alone these people flying an aircraft.
Yes when I heard that all the flight crew survived - that in itself sent shivers. Did they fly again? What legal ramifications did they face? Court? Jail? Loss of license? No doubt guilt and nightmares would be enough of a penalty, but what was the result of blame apportionment? Did the airport get fined for all its failings?
The two pilots were fired by Singapore Airlines after this accident and the relief pilot was suspended. The good news is that both pilots returned to flying with another airline, although it took the FO a little longer to return to the cockpit due to the mental trauma he had. Both pilots remain flying to this day and also teach younger pilots about their experience on that fateful day.
At Kegworth, the flight crew never accepted the finding that their investigation of the engine vibrations was seriously flawed because it was done hastily and not in accordance with the airline's operating procedures. The investigators decided that their lack of familiarity with the 737-400 (which was the their main defence/complaint) was secondary in importance.
Tragic. Ridiculous. If 5R had been a UK road, there would have been a sign at its threshold showing that a man is struggling to open an umbrella inside a big red reflective triangle. Regardless, there could have been a barrier across the end of 5R to stop aircraft turning into it.
@@hb1338 Look at the map presented in the video. The barrier on 5R, far from its ends, was positioned to block aircraft entering precisely that part into which the aircraft turned, from the end. For this section, there was an alternative, parallel taxiway which the pilots had used. Therefore a barrier could have been placed across the end of 5R, and at the very least, a big red warning triangle, and the words "NO ENTRY, WORK IN PROGRESS".
I really love your content. As someone who has an irrational fear of flying, but is well aware of it being irrational, watching your content has helped me overcome that. Seeing how much has to go wrong in order for there to be a catastrophic incident is actually very reassuring.
Ground navigation, especially at complex airports in poor weather, is often the most difficult and hazardous part of a flight. This is not emphasized and practiced enough in training imho. Great analysis. Thanks, as always.
I was back then in Singapore, I remember reading about in local newspapers... There were some issues with "unfriendly" approach to investigation by Taiwanese authorities, some fingers pointing, blame shifting... It was (got) attributed to "fear of loosing face", so prevalent in Chinese culture (both Taiwan and Singapore are "Chinese" countries). There were suggestions that the Capitan of this flight was under pressure (internal one) to preserve good record of SQ as a carrier that "can arrive on time, every time" (i.e. very few delays or cancelled flights - important aspect for business travellers, which were AFAIK an important "target" for SQ, poising itself as a "premium, but reliable" airline, "a notch above the rest") and because of the severity of the typhoon the crew was kinda afraid (kinda rightly) that if they won't take off NOW they might get grounded not just for few hours, but for a day or even possibly two days (if not more). Then there were issues about "poor safety record and management/ practices" of Taipei APT (no ground radar, no CLEAR and OBVIOUS marking at the end of the runway, showing CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY "STOP! YOU CAN'T GO THERE!", some suggestions that because of strong crosswinds AND slippery taxiways the trip to the runway took "significantly longer that usual", thus further "priming" the Capitan to making mental picture "we're finally there" - and so on, and so forth. This is not to 'argue" with the report or question this presentation - those are merely my personal recollection from that time. It was kinda "personal" to me as because of my job back then (it was nearing to its termination at the time of the accident) I used to fly frequently to and from Singapore (although not really to Taipei), and quite often the airline was SQ - which I remember very fondly. (The tickets for SQ flights used to be more expensive that those for Thai's (TG) or Cathay's (CX) so "my" company preferred those "more economic" airlines, but often there was no choice - which made me glad, as the planes were newer, cleaner and the in-flight service - and food - was better.)
Without having any background knowledge, the question of time pressure also struck me as (potentially) underplayed by the video. The captain may have been saying that they were in no rush, but it feels like they were very determined to take off 'before it got too bad' and that had a ripple effect. The failure to fully check for runway contamination, non-noticing of the various indicators prior to takeoff feel like not just confirmation bias, but also perceived time pressure leading to reduced situational awareness. On the whole an amazing video though.
Sadly, this one demonstrates the truth of The Art of War by 孫子: "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." Thank you for presenting the planning and preparation for the flights you review! WHY would ICAO allow a passenger airline to initiate a take-off in winds up to 30kts if the safety equipment is only rated to 25kts?
Man, that's a lot of shortcomings in the equipment of the airport. Ground radar should absolutely be mandatory. The lack of it really stands out among the majority of incidents on the ground.
Wonderful video! You have helped me get over many of my fears of flying and have even inspired me to look into getting my private pilot's license. Thank you for always making high quality content for your viewers and aviation lovers!
I never feared flight but I was curious how it worked. I read a book and joined the AirForce in USA. Fixed planes & then flew them. It was always intriguing watching Skyking James Bond movies and 12 o'clock High. Just not understanding can produce fear. Simulators help too.
Another visual que that no one was talking about is that RWY 05R, has taxiway from both right and left sides while RWY 05L only has taxiway on the right side to exit and cross RWY 05R into Taxiway NP
My dad was supposed to board this flight that night. However, my mom had just gone to the hospital that day and discovered that she was pregnant with me. So she convinced my dad to stay in the office as she felt that it would be safer for him to take the next flight when the typhoon had passed/become weaker. As my mom was a ground staff at the Singapore Airlines check-in area at the time, she was able to get my dad a ticket on the next flight out. So my dad went to sleep in the office that night and when he woke up, he discovered that he had a lot of missed calls on his work phone. His colleagues all thought that he had boarded the flight.
It turns out that had my dad boarded the flight, I would've most likely grown up without knowing him. His seat was located at the front of the plane on the upper deck, and would've likely died in the crash. So I'm very grateful that my mom as able to talk some sense into my dad, as he has helped me out tremendously through my life and I don't know where I'd be without him.
That is so very lucky for your dad and your family. So very heartfelt the way you describe it.
Wow...his Angels protected him!!!
I'd say you saved your dad. Your parents by then will know that you're a special kid for the family. Without you inside your mom, he'd have board on that flight.
Wow, that's an amazing story. These sorts of last minute life-changing events always amaze me. How one seemingly insignificant decision could have such a major impact on the rest of your life. Glad things worked out and I'm happy you have a good dad. He didn't just survive that event, he became a good parent. I can tell you from firsthand experience that if you were my shoes, you would have wished your dad took the flight.
Having a child is a joy but when they first looked at you they must have felt that intensely!
as a nervous flyer, I really apreciate that mentour pilot explain every incident in a calm informatic manner and not making it into a horror film like other shows.
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He is also informative. Informatic means the science of processing data for storage and retrieval.
I get the impression you're the kind of person that claps when an airplanes lands during a bit of turbulence.
Î have never been a nervous flyer but now after watching all these videos I am scared knowing what all can go wrong 😂😂
@Lee thank you for your comment, however my comment was a kind of joke, I used to be a frequent flyer, even long distances and I experienced two landings during heavy storms, a lightning stroke and ESD at 35000ft right next to my seat when flying through a thunderstorm. I initially thought that something had hit the airplane. I felt it through the fuselage as my arm was resting against the wall. I also watched an emergency landing of the plane ahead of us while our plane was on holding pattern circling around the airport.
The airport runway which was under renovation should have been closed off completely with no chance of the airliners being allowed to enter them.
Correct. "If it can happen, it will" should be all operators' mantra.
They used it probably to make taxiing shorter to decrease ground time and costs.
@@EvoraGT430 Problem is, if you apply this mantra, then you never ever flight a plane.
Because it CAN crash, it's now your responsibility to prevent that.
And add strong lights in runway direction on the construction parts. Bright enough that any pilot at the end of the runway would see the beams.
He just said , part of it was used as a taxiway 😣
After learning stuff like this, I will never ever get frustrated if a flight takes a bit long to take off or land=)
Thinking of the same thing 😅
This is the exact thought I have when watching every video on this channel. I find myself mentally preparing to verbally dissemble any Karen who pitches a fit, too.
yep
Same. I remember once when I got on a flight and it ended up taking I think an hour before we even got on the taxiway, and I don't remember if it was said what the problem was, but I'm sure it was very important if they were making an entire plane of passengers wait that long. There are so many times when we just have no idea what the pilots are having to deal with to make sure we make it to our destination safely.
Yep, it's usually for good reasons.
One thing I'll hate forever though is airlines losing my luggage. 😤
I'm a surgeon and just yesterday i had a case where i forgot to do a small step. it was more just a minor inconvenience in the long run -- but I'm still rattled today that it had slipped my mind. makes me realize how easily big things can also fall through the cracks. your words on listening to that inner voice rang so true. as i was closing yesterday, i couldn't shake the feeling that i had missed something... sadly even though i did take a moment to consider, it still didn't click until I'd already scrubbed out. i should've just stopped what i was doing completely and ran through the steps one by one...
i think we should have checklists in surgery too. idk why we don't. our nurses do -- that's they count stuff that can easily be left behind (sponges, etc). but we just rely on our very fallible brains, despite that in the heat of the moment one can easily forget something.
What's crazy for me: it's just accepted worldwide that doctors and nurses are severely overworked and nobody seems to do anything about it. Nobody thinks about the levels of accumulated fatigue we're experiencing, if we'd be to mess up, it'd be purely our personal responsibility. Maybe because we're unable to potentially kill dozens of people in one go because of our fatigue? I don't know...
@@orange_kate this frustrates me to no end though. but hey, govts would rather pay for bombs and warplanes than the basic health of its citizens, so every year our reimbursement gets cut and we have to work faster and faster to see more and more people, and meanwhile our hospital execs are cutting themselves huge bonus checks 😞
@@seraphikcan you make your own checklist and use it during procedures?
I hope you make your own checklists. All three times I delivered a baby, someone left stuff inside that came out in my shower, etc. I was hospitalized all three times for a week to two weeks, following, with infection. Terrible way to welcome a baby; totally unconscious. All these years later I realize that if I had sued, it may not have happened again. I just assumed everyone did all they could. Actually, they didn’t listen to me when I said that I could not pee, was uncomfortable and screamed with afterbirth and cotton falling out and clogged up. Cool as cucumbers everyone told me that patient reactions to surgery are unpredictable. At no point was anyone looking out for me or my infants in Princeton, NJ or Louisville, KY in 1988, 1993, 1997. I have a feeling that airline companies may have fixed things sooner than hospitals. If they ever did.
We DO have check lists in surgery. Like everything else, people take these lists lightly.
I lost a colleague and good friend in this crash. He was in the prime of his life, a very successful business professional and a very friendly and gentle person. He had Dutch nationality and was working based in Singapore, for a US company, for which he was on his way to LA. He left behind his wife and 3 children, at that time age 6, 4 and 6 months of age.
In the investigation it turned out he was in a seat on the upper deck, row 19. The crash event itself did not kill any person on the upper deck, so he survived that part. Then the crew rushed out of the cockpit and tried to open the left hand door, which was not easily done. They turned to the right hand side that also did not operate. The left door finally opened, but the slide did not inflate, leaving a high jump for the people. The crew exited first (so much for captains leaving the ship last), and abandoned the scene. My friend helped the purser get people on the slide and down to safety until the deck below their feet collapsed due to the very high heat from the fire on the deck below. Both perished, as well as the people that had not been able to exit.
His wife found all this out by investigating herself and talking to all the people that did get out alive. Many of them were consumed by feeling of guilt, as the person that helped them out had not made it himself. She told me she would have maybe preferred to have had a little less heroic husband. I did what I could to help her get her life on a new track, which she did beautifully. Still I also would have preferred a different course of history.
Oh how very sad
I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. At least he died a hero, saving others.
Sorry to hear that.
This brings up a valid point.
If you die as a hero who is going to take care of your wife and raise your kids.
My heart is breaking for you, the tears are flowing.. I am hugging you until you feel better...
I watched the mayday-episode on this accident and I felt so bad for the pilots. The captain was so cautious and tried to do everything right and was very aware of the bad weather and the implications this had. It just shows that even when you have the best intentions and really try to do it right small mistakes and lead to catastrophic events.
I saw that episode and felt the same way. The poor pilot was trying to be extra careful, and his "reward" was a horrible tragedy. Alas, no good deed goes unpunished. 😥
One theory advanced by the TV episode was that because the pilot was going slower than usual, the distance traveled from the terminal seemed longer, so that when the pilot finally arrived at the runway, he thought he had reached the far (correct) runway rather than the near (incorrect) one.
And of course, the misleading taxiway lights undoubtedly contributed to the error. One set of bright, densely-arranged lights guides you invitingly to a nearby runway, while the other lights are dim, far apart, and in one case, not even working. And on top of that, the pilot was accustomed to seeing only lights that guided him to the correct runway. To my mind, this taxiway lighting issue was the single most important contributing factor.
Road to hell is paved in good intentions.
@@Milesco
@charleric8364 same for me, somehow I find this very very sad
@wowplayer160 If so, I see no point in believing in hell
Losing situational awareness like this is a horrible horrible feeling. It happened to me once during my PPL when i was flying solo to yuma in a small piper Archer. I had been there once before with my instructor and so I wasn't completely unfamiliar of the airport layout, but Yuma being a shared military airport has some long wide and intersecting runways and a fairly complicated taxiway map. On my solo i was given taxi instructions for an intersection take off, at first i accepted the clearance and started taxiing but soon i started feeling really uneasy about whether or not i was going the right way, So i fessed up and requested for a full runway departure WITH progressive taxi and the controllers did a great job of getting me back on track but more importantly helping me get my situational awareness back.
When in doubt always take a step back and don't be afraid to ask for help
Well done. Pride or embarrassment to speak up has no place in aviation.
I've been driving in my neighborhood for 32 years. However, routine and complacency still occasionally cause me to miss turns, depart to a different destination, et cetera.
I usually pull over and clear my mind to focus on the task, an advantage of driving or if my teen grandkud is with me she's my First Officer and she was raised to speak up.
Good on you for asking, and glad they helped. MUCH better than taking a chance.
Whenever I hear the phrase "situational awareness" I think of the time I was driving along a motorway in the dark and suddenly a combination of slight mist and oncoming lights shining through the centre barrier created what looked like a solid barrier across my lane, too close to stop for. The absolute terror in that moment, and then the utter disorientation as I drove "through" it, will never leave me.
Suddenly, what had seemed like a very clear view of the road was actually just an abstract pattern of lights in the dark. I no longer had any idea what those lights meant, and I was still moving at 70mph with no grasp on my surroundings whatsoever.
Thankfully it only took a second or two to regain my marbles, and I carried on without incident, but I'll never forget it. The brain takes sometimes very minimal input and turns it into what seems like a rock solid understanding of our surroundings that we would be crazy to doubt - but when it builds the wrong model, all bets are off and we discover we know less than nothing about what's really going on.
@@PartanBree Wow! This story of yours shows how important good situational awareness is, especially when you aren’t a pilot.
Hey, it sounded like you dealt with that exactly the way you should have! Well done
Hey, Singaporean here. I want to make a correction to something about this video, because people are not going to be familiar with Singapore slang grammar. At 13:27, the pilot is actually rushing. He's saying something more along the line of "If we don't get out soon, it's going to get worse." He is in fact, rushing.
9:54 The captain says slow down, take your time, make sure we've covered all the bases. If any rush was there it was to make use of a small weather window to get out while could before the typhoon actually hit. Cut them some slack, these guys did everything they could to get it right. After living in Spore for 2 years, I know you guys have a very perfectionist view on life, no mistakes allowed, shame if you fail to meet unacceptably high standards...failure is very human and a part of life, otherwise were just robts in a mechanical environment
@@hamishcollidenot to critique pilot ofc, just to highlight that in this instance they got it wrong with singlish, because its meant to indicate that they are trying to avoid not being able to takeoff.
@hamishcollide It did not sound to me like OP of this comment thread was trying to assign blame, just educate public about the nuances of Singlish. The main problem, of course, is that intonation matters A LOT, especially on the "ah"s and "lah"s, so unless we hear the actual recording, it's kind of hard to get what the pilots' actual meanings were.
The First Officer was my lecturer back in 2018, he is right now flying with AirAsia as an awesome Captain!
Yes...truly awsome!!!
Don't listen to all he told you.
This shows how important ground lights and the pilot language they use for taxiways is. Also this is as always the best presentation of the accident made by amazing video creators!
Thank you so much for your kind words. 💕💕
Moon Rust are you a paid account?
@@jamescollier3 nope, why would you think that?
@@MentourPilot Its not just language. Too many things were giving them signs NOT to take off. Substandard situational awareness and confirmation bias compelled them continue the take off. This accident is a good example of the Swiss cheese model.
TPE is a much safer airport because of this accident.
Thank you Petter for bringing these to us!
Retired now but, I used to work in a hospital emergency room and when things started getting really out of control, we were always taught to check our own blood pressure first (slow things down) before making rash decisions. Love your break down of these events.
Good advice . I've trained myself this manouver when at a T intersection or roundabout and I'm late for work . Always better safe than sorry ❤
Weird how the slides can't operate in winds that are OK for takeoff. Seems like they should design a safety slide that works in all operating wind speeds, if possible of course.
That exactly what I thought
Or to look at it the other way up, the maximum operating wind speed should be one where all the safety equipment can work!
the slides are also rafts and must automatically detach if the airframe becomes submerged, so there is some amount of force (either by buoyancy or by wind) that will detach them
@@stevegruber4724 Then perhaps the slides need a sensor that reacts to deep water? Or a manual release that's easy to identify and operate?
I've watched most of your videos, and this stands out as one of the scariest and saddest. Making a wrong turn in the dark feels like such a simple and human mistake, as easy to make as accidentally taking the wrong highway exit in a car. I can only imagine the guilt the pilots must still carry over it.
THIS was not a simple "mistake".
Your comparison was simplistic and naive.
This was a total lack of airmanship and professionalism in a machine designed to operate in low visibility conditions.
@daftvader4218 This was not 'simply low visibility', this was a typhoon. Also known as a hurricane in the western hemisphere.
@@emo7636 In aviation terms this was low visibility. ...Actually 450 mtrs is not that low....
They could see plenty of GREEN centre line taxiway lighting. ...
Who takes off on such a surface ???
This was an approaching Typhoon......it had not yet arrived ....winds have to be 80 kts plus.
Well done.... these cyclone are called different names in different parts of the world.
How is that relevant .
Just appalling airmanship and professionalism.
@@daftvader4218Yes and by only 1 pilot. All 3 missed it.. It's unbelievable.
@@daftvader4218yet it often happens that a driver is riding on a closed highway lane, sometimes resulting in a crash, despite all the evidence you're driving in a closed lane (no other cars, big red crosses or even arrows telling you to change the lane.
If you take a wrong exit from the highway, you have possibly a GPS clearly showing which route to take. Yet when 2 exits are only 100m apart, people often take the wrong one. Despite their GPS, despite the different names on the pointers above the highway, despite your GPS clearly telling you which one to.
It's easy to blame others. There was simply confirmation bias. Pilots are not immune to it. They are only human too.
But if you ever took a wrong turn while following a GPS and only finding out after the GPS rerouted, you made just the same mistake since you had 2 visual and even one oral 'warning', showing/telling you which one to take.
Now maybe you live in a not very busy part of the world with exits far from each other, which makes it almost impossible to take the wrong one. But as someone who lives in Antwerp I can tell you if you don't know the area, you will make mistakes.
I say that as an experienced driver that drives very often and long distances, as an ex cab driver and as someone that drove twice over 3500kms from Belgium to Turkey.
I can assure you that no matter your level of experience, if you spend a lot of time on the road, you're bound to make exactly that mistake, especially if you get less than perfect information.
The FO was my lecturer in Polytechnic. He did a presentation on the events of that night and when he revealed himself everyone's jaw was on the floor.
Welp, gotta pay the bill some way
It's good that the FO is still able to tell this incident to others as a lesson that he doesn't want his students to make, as he alr made this mistake. Hats off to him. I would be ashamed to recount this if I were him
woah. a fulltime lecturer ah?
I think this one is the most understandable and human of all the errors I can recall seeing on this channel. I'm glad there were survivors, but it's a shame it couldn't be everyone. RIP.
@@Capecodham Rest In Peace
Someone had to pay
No it is not.....
Loads of basic errors that any professional human being would have avoided...
Several basic instrument check
including the basic moving map which Petter totally ignores in his inaccurate, biased report based on the Singapore white wash.
Take Petter's reports with a pinch of salt....they are not accurate...
Eg Typhoons don't track like that at all for a start.
Who takes off on a surface with green centre line lighting and blue edge lighting? ?
@@daftvader4218you also have a bias towards pilots. I'd say the one to blame the most is the airport for creating a hazardous environment at the airport because they thought saving money is worth more than people's lives.
Ok, the pilots missed a couple of visual clues given by their instrumentation that correctly told them they were lined up on the wrong way however, why the freaking hell is a runway not in use, and with construction equipment on it lit up like a ruddy Christmas tree? Was the accident avoidable? Sure it was. Is it understandable how the mistake was made? Likewise, sure it was. Another masterpiece of presentation and explanation Captain Petter, I always so look forward to your content regardless of the subject matter both on this channel, and your Mentour Now
Thank you so much. 💕
me too, I also love the content and click as fast as possible when a new video is released
I thought the exact same thing...a few red lights? Really?
Honestly! They should have put illuminated barriers right at the beginning of the runway to make it clear for everybody that YOU DO NOT TAKE OFF HERE!
@@johannageisel5390 The reason there were no big barriers on the rest of the runway was because it was an active taxiway. Barriers would have prevented it's use for that purpose.
The taxiway lights should have been enough to hint to the pilots they hey maybe you're not actually on a runway. It's understandable that they missed this though given the conditions.
I watched the Air Crash Investigation episode on this incident only a few days ago. Very excited to hear Mentour's presentation of it! I find these videos tend to include more of an interesting perspective on how pilots make the mistakes that they do and a focus on how these mistakes can be prevented. This was a very sad incident and I do feel for the pilots.
I was just saying that! LOL! I’m not sure if we watched the same one, but the one I saw blamed the pilot for being TOO cautious…since he was going slower, that he probably thought he’d gone farther than he actually had. And although they touched on some of the other findings too, I think the way Mentour explains things makes so much better sense. We get to hear an explanation of what *should* be happening and why, as well as what the instruments are saying, how the crew might have interpreted them… all in the context of the simulated steps-not as a summary at the end.
@@ellicel Yes. I feel some of these TV shows disrespect the facts in favour of "good dramatic television". Memtour is to the point without focusing on assigning blame but rather focusing on the why things happened in the first place
@@ellicel The ACI episode missed a lot of details mentioned in this video. Like the taxiway lighting problems, active runway lighting missing , the closed runway being converted to taxiway and still being active as taxiway, and some of the cockpit instruments that could be used to catch the mistake. The quality of this video is much higher.
I also just watched that episode a couple days ago! Whenever I'm doing cleaning work, I put on episodes of ACI. I'm in the middle of season 12 atm.
Just downloaded the entire show, 150 gb of stuff
Airlines and airports are usually so meticulous. I would have expected at least a physical sign at the start of the closed runway saying "Runway Closed". It shows you can never overdo safety and alert information
Not all airlines or airports. TPE was a very high-threat airport due to lack of diligence.
Shortly after the accident the local news interviewed a British (iirc) aviation specialist and his opinion was an airfield with obstructed runways that are not prominently closed off are disasters waiting to happen.
As a newcomer to the world of aviation I find these fascinating, no other industry I know of is so diligent in identifying root causes of accidents. There are many lessons to learn for everyday life also in terms of decision making and communication. I would love to get my PPL here in the UK but it's so expensive!
yeah, when you consider each accident holds the lives of 100-200 people, I'm very glad they take it so seriously. it's comforting in part to know that very few repeat major incidents happen, apart from relating the many incidents that can happen with those damn pitot tubes...
USCSB a parallel federal agency to NTSB that is in charge of chemical accident analysis does the similar thing in aviation and they also have a very good TH-cam channel for publicizing accident report
But the diligence on the industry side is way lower than aviation. may be due to the chemical industry not directly servicing the general public
@@play005517 It also probably has to due with the magnitude of aviation accidents, mainstream media covers it more and the death/fatality rate is higher as chemical spills usually occur in distant plants or factories not filled with a ton of people.
Having watched another channel’s reporting, I was familiar with this accident but I’m always amazed at how much more thorough Mentour Pilot is with his explanation of what actually happened. And he always includes takeaways that are relevant for any field, not just aviation.
Also, I want to thank the team for adding a warning that this particular episode will deal with loss of life. That really helps to make sure I’m in the right headspace to continue watching.
Thank you for your feedback. My sim is always to give a little bit more than what already exists. I’m glad to hear it’s appreciated. 💕
Unlike the overwhelming majority of TV producers, Mentour has a clear idea of how and why these accidents occur.
I feel bad for those pilots, yes they did not fully use all the cockpit instrumentation, but the weather, no ground radar, air traffic control, and runway taxi lights all played a part. rest in peace for those who lost their lives, may those who survive find peace in the lives.
Yeah, they made some mistakes, but there were a lot of things wrong with the airport that probably would have prevented the mistakes. I think the lighting was the biggest one. Why would you put so many lights to indicate a turn but so few for going straight?
I am not a Pilot, but I was surprise that the air traffic control tower can’t see all the planes on all runways all the time! I thought that was a major point of the tower - being up high, with lots of windows and binoculars.
Also for the 3mm. maximum of rain allowed on the runway, why doesn’t a ground crew check that just before take off, if it’s raining heavily? Why would the Pilots get out and do that, and get all kinds of condensation inside the cockpit and windows!?
@@paddlefar9175 Fun fact, the crosswind runway at Indianapolis (KIND) was shortened because the south end wasn't visible from the new control tower due to the Fedex hub blocking visibility.
What happened to those pilots?
Were they able to fly again?
@@Haskellerz I don‘t know. Wikipedia says they were fired by Singapore Airlines.
I just love how clearly you explain the scenarios, easily understandable by someone like me who has zero experience in aviation industry
I work at an airport and there are many procedures that are carried out with a checklist. The problem with these is that (like with any other thing you do routinely) you get complacent. You go through the process haphazardly, because nothing bad has happened before. It's difficult to maintain the diligence of checking everything thoroughly, when you have done it a hundred times before. Maintaining the feeling of importance of every check is challenging. If you get complacent and just "go through the motions" with other things on your mind, accidents happen.
Yes. I worked with track workers on subways. A guy who had 32 years in service was carrying a bag of railroad spikes partway blocking his view over right shoulder. Crossing tracks right in the path of an approaching train. I grabbed his back belt to stop him. He was so used to doing this that he didn't think or hear a train. He retired.
@@sharoncassell9358 good that you pulled him back
how bouts just STUPID
It is so hard to imagine many bad scenarios and avoid them all and then feel that you are not being overly cautious. But cautious people avoid major accidents by being cautious. I have made so many errors by having a general manner of disregarding my very cautious father and it has cost me dearly. I wish I had been an orphan so that I did not have those internal biases.
@@jamesmedina2062 your comment is interesting...
A colleague (he was a good friend) died in the upper business class on this one. His colleague was assigned next to him, but decided to move back to the tail of the aircraft, where a row of 5 seats was available to sleep on. He survived.
Do you have proof?
@@aurelia8028 why would you even ask if someone has proof for something like that? Weird. It’s not such a rare occurrence in south east asia on some of the airlines, coupled with the difficult weather and massive differences in infrastructure and equipment maintenance standards. My dad’s good friend and colleague was meant to be on a Garuda Air flight from Jakarta, but had just gotten back from somewhere else and wanted to stay in Jakarta a day longer so rebooked. That flight went down with all souls. He’s still haunted by that to this day. What proof could we possibly give you?
@@darcgibson5099 most of the comments that do this always start with either I lost a colleague and good friend in this crash or
I lost a good friend and colleague in this accident
i can understand why people are seeing its fake now
@@FatalErrorSnasMatthewHorsted not "seeing", thinking. They're thinking it's fake. When people lose loved ones, they tend to follow any reports on how they lost them. It's no coincidence they stumbled upon these videos
I accidentally stumbled upon this video within 15 mins of it's upload, I was watching another of your aircraft accident series and TH-cam just autoplayed this video. I've never had such coincidences in my life happen to me before so it's always worth pressing the Subscribe button.
Awesome! Welcome to the channel. 👍🏻💕
Very interesting and sad.
From what I've read on this crash is that many pilots had complained for years about the potential for the 05R runway to be mistakenly used in situations with low visibility. But the airport ignored their concerns. Apparently that runway was rarely used as a runway, and the next day after this crash is the day it was scheduled to be officially documented as a taxiway.
Another note, from what I've read the airport still did not implement ground radar even after this crash, and possibly not until 2015. Which is mind boggling. The airline spent millions in lawsuits, but the airport apparently didn't feel the need to make more than a couple cheap changes. Can you confirm if they have Ground radar currently?
Yes, TPE now has ground radar and its runway designations are now 05L/23R and 05R/23L for the north and south runways respectively instead of 05/23 and 06/24. The runways and taxiways have also recently been resurfaced and a new CAT III ILS have been installed for the north runway, the same one Singapore Flight 6 was supposed to takeoff from. Taoyuan Airport has been criticized by many Taiwanese for many years for being old and outdated when compared to other major international airports in Asia like Changi, Incheon, Narita, etc., but the airport is modernizing and improving as we speak now.
From historical satellite imagery on Google Earth, it seems that the ground radar system was built at any time between June 2002 and September 2009 (historical imagery was available for these 2 months, but not in between so the range is very wide), definitely not as late as 2015, of course, unless it took 5 years or more between completion and activation of the system which I don't think is plausible.
Ya, and the blame of this accident is on the pilot.
@@dynasty0019 For clarity - what was runway 05R is now a taxiway.
@@canineatnight6026 It seems that you have not understood the video. There were a number of things that both pilots AND the airport could/should have done which would have prevented the crash from occurring.
I lived in Taipei... when it rains, believe me, it bangs it down. Taoyuan 40 miles away from Taipei city centre towards the coast, often bares the brunt of weather like this.
This Scotsman would love it there.
Bb
I lost a good friend and colleague in this accident. He, his young wife, and a year-old son were returning to CA from India after a vacation. I remember how much I wept when I saw the news on Yahoo! It was surreal. First, it was -- oh a Singapore Airlines had an accident at Taipei on the way to LAX. Then a few seconds later it suddenly dawned on us ...wasn't "J" and his family on this flight? Followed by a silence, then hope that there were survivors, then despair when we saw his name on the list of the deceased. It was a horrible, horrible, time. Just thinking on how gruesome his death was and how much he would have suffered, along with his wife and his young son; imagining his despair at not being able to protect his young family...
Absolutely terrifying, I cannot imagine the terror and grief they must have experienced in their last moments. Rest in peace.
Be expected.
Sometimes a false sense of security has a role in the play. They flew the day before without incident. Now the situation changed thus not the same results to be expected.
I lost a colleague and good friend in this crash
I lost a good friend and colleague in this accident
why do they always start with these starting to think these are fake now
@@FatalErrorSnasMatthewHorsted Because it happens too often and the people who this happened to often come to these videos when thinking about their friends and family who passed away in these accidents. Sadly, there are a few people out there using these terrible accidents in the worst way to get attention, but many of the people here really did lose someone.
If you think about it, on this particular accident, 83 people died. How many friends and family members did each one of them have? How many friends and family do they all add up to? What are the chances that one of those probably many people come here when thinking about the accident and the friends and/or family? What are the chances that one of those people might leave a comment here?
It's a small world after all. RIP those who perished in this crash.
This video gives me a new appreciation for the workload of pilots and how much trust they have to put into other people doing their jobs correctly so they don’t make mistakes.
Exactly what I was thinking. You have to think about so many things at once, know all the physics behind it and be mentally switched on all the time.
So damn easy to make a mistake........Three very experienced knowledgable professionals. I gain more and more respect for those pros every time I watch these videos. Thank you again Capt. Petter for yet another outstanding examination with human and pro outtakes included.
A year late in the comment, local Singaporean here and I can still remember this incident being heavily covered in the local news back in my childhood days, especially so when the country was proud of her national carrier, only for this incident to happened.
I was too young (about 11 yo) to understand the severity of this unfortunate event.
What a stunning example of how small decisions, like using a different runway, can have such a huge impact.
So much for planning and support to avoid danger
Having flown out of TPE a lot I can have great sympathy for the Singapore crew, I remember that runway end very well and it used to be very dark and the markings and lights at 05r very dim.. And worse when you are at night at the edge of a typhoon. I was very familiar with that part of the airport before this accident happened. When I heard of it my heart sank, and I knew very much what it was.
Yes, I would blame the poor airport confidition more than the crew mistakes.
Absolute rubbish...do you work for Singapore Airlines.
A totally incompetent crew..
I said sympathy not reassignment of cause. That end of the airport was atrocious for years. And plop pilots that are accustomed to " following the green" into that was a disaster in the making. To say "Rubbish" strikes me as something a smug POME would say .
Maybe there should be a minimum set of requirements of high level, high grade instrumentats that an airport or airstrip should have before it is usable for landing and takeoff. Governments spend trillions on war and bullshit and are unable to implement simple safety measures for the citizens.
Barbaric.
@@jaytowne8016 You were obviously a passenger looking out of a little widow which, of course , make you fully qualified to comment.
It must have been so scary for you...was it dark ??
Bong...Bong! ...Bong !!!
I work on a team that conducts failure investigations on equipment. The way you cover the failure investigation details is excellent. Hats off to you and the teams writing the incident reports. Every single incident has key takeaways to remember.
I was on the Thai Airways flight which took off before the illfated SQ flight. We were immediatelt hit by windshear not long after takeoff n moderate turbulence for abour an hour after that. Shocked to hear the news after landing in Bangkok.
I think by collating a clear concise and engaging record of significant aviation accidents this channel could make a serious contribution to improving air safety. I'd imagine videos like this would have more of an impact on those in the industry than just simply reading reports, because they are more memorable, and more engaging. This channel is a really brillaint project, always excellently executed.
The reports are much more detailed, and therefore of much more use.
@@hb1338 never read any so I don't know but I don't doubt you. I get what you are saying. I just think the videos really drive home the reality and magnitude of mistakes etc in a really vivid and memorable way, and as such might stick in the mind in a way a dispassionate report might not.
@@frank327 The NTSB, here in the U.S., began including documentary-style video reports along with their written reports a few years ago, and I believe they’ve been producing accident animations since well before that. I don’t know if bureaus in other jurisdictions do the same, but I’d be surprised if at least some of them (like the BEA in Europe) didn’t do something similar.
I have used some of the suggested techniques of slowing down, etc. when I was learning woodworking and when I learned to sail. I would imagine exactly what the movements of my hands when I was going to use a machine and what could possibly go wrong and what I would do in that case. Same with sailing. I would imagine all the possibilities of things that could go wrong and how I would handle them and then practice them with no other boats near me. I still use the technique today as I will go through everything before putting on my drywall stilts for a job I'm doing today. I will even plan on what happens if I lose my balance and fall. My phone will be on me securely and in a place that is unlikely to be damaged so I can call someone if I hurt myself. So far I've never been hurt in all my adventures and all my different careers. This is one reason I love this channel. He reminds us of all the personal checklists for safety and to be aware of our bias toward assumptions in all of our endeavours.
We need you to join in Mentor's pilot training program. Thinking like yours will make great supplementary skills for all profession's safety, especially pilots.
I'm of the opinion that when a typhoon is about to hit the airport area it is better to cancel all flights. Even if the pilots are well trained, and the air craft in pristine condition, such kind of weather conditions increase dramatically the chances that something might go really wrong.
I wouldn't want to fly, but some airlines operate in areas where the weather is far too frequently like that, you have to sort of work around it.
@@mandowarrior123 The passengers safety should be their priority. And at the end of the day how many times can a typhoon hit an area each year. Once or twice for a couple of days at worst.
In this particular case they should have rescheduled all flights.
There is no evidence which backs up your assertion. Accident rates during typhoons are no worse than those in any other weather conditions.
@@creativecolours2022 Why ? There is no increased risk to safety if procedures are followed correctly, which they were in this case. The crash was not caused by the typhoon alone.
@@hb1338 Even if they followed the procedures correctly they wouldn't be able to see that the runway was blocked due to the bad weather and they wouldn't be able to stop because the runway was like a a lake. And generally speaking the procedures were not followed correctly because the pilots were rushing up to take off because of the bad weather. If the authorities had rescheduled the flights for half a day later nothing of these would have happened.
Hi I’m from Singapore. Thank you for making a video of this air flight accident. I can recall how shocking it was when we received the news in Singapore as this was the first accident that happened to a Singapore Airlines plane. The pilots were then badly berated by the public. Having watched your video now, I can better understand that there were other reasons/factors that we did not know then, which contributed to this accident. It probably could have been avoided.
A friend of my ex-colleague was a cabin crew in this flight died. My condolences to the families of the casualties.
I am not a pilot, but I am intrigued on how quickly things can go wrong in flying. Thanks for the expanding of my knowledge of aviation and I thoroughly enjoy your videos!
I feel so bad for those pilots. I have nothing but admiration and amazement that people in your profession can take on such responsibility
A pity that RAAS wasn't a thing back then. Could have prevented the whole situation altogether. A great video as always, Petter!
Yep, this was likely one of the reasons that system was implemented in the first place.
@@MentourPilot also because you know the irnony they were flyiong into KLAX lol most RW INCURSIONS in the world
Can you explain RAAS to us laymen?
Alternatively, they could have erected two or four flashing stop signs is some thoughtful fashion. And what's wrong with a laser to trigger an alarm in the control tower?
Forgive me for seeming impatient, but given the typhoon, this seems squarely on the airport.
@@russellsilver7385 The RAAS gives aural advisories relating to aircraft position during landing and takeoff. It's based on GPS and other data. If you go above 40 knots on the taxiway, it will assume you have made a mistake. However, the system relies on an up-to-date airport database in the aircraft's computers. These databases are probably not updated fast enough to cover every airport change. If it wasn't up to date, it would have advised them that they were lining up on the right hand runway, not the left. Then it would be up to the crew to acknowledge that they were on the wrong runway. So, it's still possible human error could have resulted in this accident even with RAAS.
Wow. Great report as always! How many airports guide airliners to the correct runway by turning on only the taxiway lights direct to the that runway, as you mentioned in this video? I’d not heard of that. This would only be possible when the airport is quiet? Right? It sounds both ingenious and dangerously coddling for pilots. I so enjoy your work and so appreciate your humanity, P! I would just love it if you’d stop using the word “toward” when “to” is the correct word, which it usually is. Please keep up the absolutely fantastic work! I hope you are being rewarded handsomely for your excellence!. Cheers! -DJ, PPL/SEL/SES
I have a colleague that drove down a road in the dark, then missed a sign and a traffic controller. Had to do a emergency break 300M later on the road because of a road crew working there. Lucky the crew was out drinking coffee when they here a noise. They stept outside where they see the truck heavily damaged with other materials. This is what happend, the traffic controller that supposed to stand there wave the traffic to make a right turn. needed to pee, so he decided because there was no traffic at that moment to do that. When he hear the truck coming he tried to get back but the truck flew by him and the truckdriver never saw him. First of my college was speeding he did an 85 where he should be doing a 60 so that was the mistake on his part. But you know how that goes hurry up the more Mileage the better. Second the traffic controller never should leave his post, and should have peed in front or the behind the car. then he wouldn't have missed the truck and this wouldn't never happend. Well my colleague did have a very expensive lesson. It cost him 6 months to recover from his leg injury. So he had no pay at that moment. The traffic controller was with another company because he was not fit to do the lone night shift's. At least that's what I heard. But this could have been far worse if the road workers didn't do a coffee brake. Just wanted to share this after the video..
Yeah, the world is full of these examples. The key is to investigate thoroughly so we can learn from them.
@@MentourPilot Yes and I think they learned both their lesson, he is driving a bit slower with the truck but also the company took their lesson we all now have a warning system in the truck when we miss something and the sensor picks it up it will engage the brake system automatically. Also on the newer trucks the computer read signs and will decelerate the truck to that speed. if you will get an accident with the system turned off you will pay a heavy fine from the company. so yes in this case we can drive saver now.
Best advise a boss ever gave me: "Asking for help isn't a sign of inadequacy. It's a mark of professionalism."
I mentioned this accident before to a late uncle of mine who was also a SQ pilot and he told me how he nearly made the same mistake on another flight the day before/few days before this ill-fated flight. They were saved by his alert FO who noticed that they were on Runway 5R before they started their takeoff roll.
incredible that something as "simple" as finding the start of a runway can go so wrong.
Regardless of circumstances
When it's late at night, you're scrolling through TH-cam struggling to find anything good to put on, and bang... new Mentour Pilot video. Impeccable timing tbh
Its probably not that important, but just a note, that the path of the Typhoon was actually the reverse of what's shown in the animation (it first crossed the Philippines, then Taiwan from the South, and then dissipated by the time it got to Japan after the accident)
Yeah, the error is probably due to the triangles along the path of the typhoon on the image on Wikipedia look like arrows pointing away from Japan
Yes, every Typhoon in Taiwan arrives from east, south east or south. That is my experience of over 30 years living in Taiwan.
Unsure how your channel came into my view but loving it. My husband was a pilot, US ex- military and always made me feel safe.
Even though he was killed in a similar situation I still enjoy flying. Thank you for your in-depth analysis of these flights.
I am not one to praise content creators, but well done for standing-up for those making mistakes. I have abandoned TV because of sloppy sensationalism and its hard to find channels even here where people do not try to make things sound worse then they are.
Well done for praising their competence even after their mistake.
Same👍
We only turn our TV on to listen to TH-cam Music
TV shows are a thing of the past at my house.
As a Singaporean, it makes me feel really sad as it's really an unfortunate incident that could have been avoided, reminding me of the Swiss Cheese model you explained in past videos. Thank you for this as I've only ever knew of SQ006 departing the wrong runway, but not to this great detail - like the difference in follow-the-greens at both airports.
(It actually came as a surprise to me when this accident was featured)
P.s. Ever since SQ006, SIA being really superstitious (it's seems to be an Asian thing) were reluctant to apply any special livery onto their planes and subsequently withdrawn the second 747 with the same livery, until our 50th independence where they painted two[?] Airbus A380 with SG50 branding.
They also changed the flight number to SQ30. I don't think SQ itself is superstitious, more like they have a lot of superstitious customers
@@truongkimson Its just a company belief, There is really no planes now within SQ that sports a special livery other than the compulsory star alliance branding, on 2 777-300ERs and one 737 max.
Seems the cheese grater system issue isnt working yet it keeps happening
When I line up on the runway, I always tell myself out loud what runway I see in front of me. It's shocking that the crew couldn't see the gigantic "05R" painted on the runway. If the rain was so heavy that they couldn't see it should have been another huge warning. Thanks to Mentour Pilot for this high quality 'training' video.
depends, on EHAM i dont see 24either after the turn those letters are more meant for landing
I actually think this is quite possible that they didn’t see the 05R marking. As far as I know, the runways threshold is located directly on the taxiway leading up to both 05R and 05L, meaning that you will pass the threshold while turning of the taxiway. If the pilots are focused on the taxilights to make the turn work, especially concerning of sliding, it’s very possible that they didn’t recognized it. Also I don’t know if the threshold would eben be visible at all, the 747 is quite a long aircraft with a wide turning circle, meaning the marking could basically be hidden behind the aircrafts cockpit wall behind the F.O. Also keep in mind how high they sit above the ground, the 744s nose is further up front than the cockpit, often times blocking the view on parking stands and therefore requiring airport staff guidance.
The O5R signage had been removed by that contruction equipment during the conversion. ..
It was a taxiway with new green centre line lighting blue edge lights.
Don't note the track of the typhoon on this high quality training video..for a start.
It's wrong !!
There was no runway sign 05R to see as the surface had been converted to a taxiway with green centre line lighting and blue edge lighting.
Petter totally fails to mention this in his repetition of the Singapore white wash .
Petter, I have already watched and read ALL of these crash investigations through both primary and secondary sources but still end up watching yours because you are much better at putting it all in a comprehensive and digestible manner. They make more sense even though it's the same story. Well done as always.
Yep.
His analysis is the best I've seen about this incident to date
You talk alittle fast but I appreciate the detail and enthusiam you put into your dissertations.
Even when some other show or channel has covered an accident, Mentour never fails to bring way more & accurate information. He should probably be hired as a consultant on various projects.
What a lot of these disasters have in common is that they walk up a "stairway" of errors that by themselves are not consequential but lead to a moment that is consequential
In this case I identified 6 contributory factors. If any one of the six had not occurred, it is highly likely that the crash would not have happened.
This reminds me of a similar incident that happened in King Khalid Airport where Jet Airways pilot attempted to take off from a taxiway that was parallel to the runway. Likely he realised his mistake before coming to a full stop on the ditch all passengers were safe.
As a Taiwanese, I can't forget this accident, thank you for talking about this in detail.
Thank you for watching, I hope it made sense.
I'm not from Taiwan and it still horrifies me too.
Shame the Taiwanese authorities have forgotten it; Taipei still has very poor/inadequate markings on this runway/taxiway
It seems the maximum crosswind component should take into consideration emergency slide deployment and not just aerodynamic forces.
Boeing recommends not deploying the slides in wind conditions greater than 25kt.
While the accidents you report on and break down are terrible, I still really enjoy the way you make everything so understandable. I hope that pilots also watch your channel and learn from the mistakes of others.
You are the most impressive aviation youtubers of all with all your enthusiasm to show the hard work of your colleagues in the industry to make it the biggest wonder of human history. Flying is one the feelings people love but consider dangerous and the world needs your pov to see it like us aviation lovers.
Can’t get enough of these videos. So fascinating. Thank you for the content. 💪🏻
Thank YOU for watching!
May the souls of the victims rest in peace.
It ought not to be happened had if they postpone the flight till the typhoon is away.
i disagree the typhoon is merely another challange for these skilled aviators
@@NikanDragosysSerpenDra There's a reason planes no longer depart in severe weather. This is it. Any kind of storm is cause to ground all air traffic affected. Period.
Better that people have to delay their holiday plans than crash, burn, and die from some human errors.
@@MGSLurmey they do still. It depends on your rules and region but that's always going to be relative.
@@MGSLurmey based on the information available to the pilots the conditions still allowed them to depart.
@@safcjcp was, but now the lesson had learned, and it should never be allowed anymore.
I’ve said it previously and I’ll say it again - the more Aircrash investigations I watch, the more likely I am to avoid flying at night, especially in the rain, especially in unfamiliar countries!
Aircraft are still extremely rare. Every video here is about failure, but it doesn't change anything about statistical safety.
@@Argumemnon"Aircraft are still extremely rare"...? I think you missed out a word
Or ever 😂
You’re probably an American lmao, your planes crash much more than asian ones, in fact, best airlines are asian. Nothing to do with ‘ foreign countries’
Excellent presentation again! Hearing the description by a practising pilot makes the story so much better than the TV presentation I have seen - and without all the emotional crap, too!
This story is particularly sad because the crew (and especially the captain) were taking care and doing everything right up to the last point of turning onto the wrong runway. I think the captain must have felt such relief that they thought they were at the correct point that his mind was desperate for the release "after all this stress and care, let's just get off the runway now".
I'm sure they must blame themselves totally for mssing several chances to confirm the runway at the last minute.
I think someone would blame themselves for loosing people onboard a plane, they will always replay it in their minds and think of what if
Petter, I really love your channel. You explain things so well that even people with no technical knowledge can understand it. And the videos are of amazing quality.
Thanks, mate!
I am a Titanic Enthusiast and that got me interested in, shall I say, forensic discussions on why and how man-made disasters happen, such as the Hindenburg, the Lusitania sinking, plane crashes, etc. I have seen many of these plane incidents covered on other outlets, like "Air Disasters," "Mayday" and "Seconds from "Disaster," but I really love your channel and how you explain things from a pilot's perspective. Great job. Anyway, I DO have a couple of questions about this particular accident. I know with ALL man-made disasters, hindsight is 20/20, but why wasn't the flight canceled outright? My second question is that when the plane was pushed back in the wrong direction, why didn't the crew NOTICE their error? Thanks.
As explained in the video, the plane was not pushed back in the “wrong” direction, but different to what they had been briefed. The recognised this correctly and took the according route. The mistake was that they didn’t carry on past runway 05R, which was closed.
Also clear from the video: The decision to cancel this flight would have been the pilots’ to make. They decided to go ahead, and did not know that they should have been assessing the possibility of water contamination themselves, as they were used to airport systems taking care of this.
The flight channel is good too
@@andrewpearce2562 I realized what the mistake was, but however, I now understand more clearly about the contamination and such. Thanks
@@TitanicHorseRacingLover cheers!
@@TitanicHorseRacingLover it may not have been contaminated and the same disaster occur. And as the video shows, due to the bad lighting setup and that it was a runway it looked like one. They hadn't used it before. Due to the lighting failures it would've looked like the last turning. They are completely dependant on the lighting here which was inadequate.
Thank you for your terrific analysis - with visual aids. As a passenger, I always pay attention to where the Emergency exits are and count how many rows I am from them. I wear sensible shoes/clothing and always pay attention to the cabin staff despite hearing the safety information dozens of times - they may need to save my life. I would feel very secure with you as 'my' pilot with your diligence and striving for accuracy. Sometimes, however - it is not Pilot error and simply what was meant to be. Kindest regards Mentour Pilot :)
Great level of technical detail again. Keep it up, that is what sets you apart.
This is truly something no flight crew should ever have to go through. Did they ever fly again? I read somewhere in the comments that the captain at least did, what about the others?
Really good explanation - I have known about this incident but the report had implied that the pilots were incompetent. I love the non judgemental way that you analyse the incident and use your experience to explain how the incident happened. These were very qualified pilots and operation in very severe conditions and were not helped by the environment they were in. The lesson I have learned from you is "if it looks wrong - the likelihood it is wrong.
Sometimes overconfidebce plays a significant role in not second guessing one's self.
The safety approach taken by the crew was very good and yet this tragedy happened in my opinion because of the following
1. Expectation bias which is a nasty Swiss cheese hole in many accidents/incidents/mistakes. The taxiway routing and lighting of the taxiway cl and the fact they got the take off clearance when they did (no ones fault) added to this. Plus the two lights not working at line up. I'm sure the captain wouldve noticed the green light continuing during the take off roll, but even when the inner voice is screaming, it takes a few seconds to assimilate and process.
2. Controller not mentioning cross 05R is an essential part which was missed. That would have caused a trigger in the diligent crews thought process.
3. Any new airport or airports with wip on runway, a good safety net to have is select the ils freq and note the loc position on line up. It's mostly done for lvto but a good practice is to do at unfamiliar aerodromes. PVD in this case Or LS pb on the airbus, if you don't see the loc signal aligned, or a lack of it will be a trigger. 25:01 based on the transcript is when I hear muffled screams in the captains thought process. No disrespect to the crew as all was well till that point. I reiterate that they took some really good decisions upto that point.
Great work by mentour as always and i feel so very sad for the crew. They didn't rush., we're quite well prepared, yet murphy decided to play his cruel game. With the current grf terminology, the crew might have not taken off as the xwind limitation was exceeded, something I can safely surmise they would have figured out. Love the advice at the end where the inner voice is screaming to you to do the right thing, has saved me on more than one occasion. Safe flights to everyone.
Your great analyses of these disasters deserves more recognition. You should be hosting the mainstream air crash investigation shows on The Smithsonian Channel and others .
Thank you! You never know what happens 😂😉
In UK air crash investigation is aired on the National Geographic Channel back to back..
sometimes over a 24 hour period they show season after season over the whole wkend
To be honest, I prefer the less dramatic presentations of Captain Hörnfeldt (Mentour Pilot) on this very good channel. The air crash investigation-stories mostly overdramatize the things that happened to make it sound more bombastic or tragic. Mr. Mentour's analysis is always pragmatic and focused on the possibilities of improvement, which is very positive and inspiring. I'm always excited when I see that a new episode arrived. :D
TH-cam > Legacy ("mainstream") Media
Mainstream would be a downgrade, IMO.
Agree!
Thanks for your amazing work
I am impressed how beautifull and clear the graphics and animations are. The excellent presentation makes it very interesting and lovely to watch.
Perhaps you can publish an episode behind the scenes and how its made.
Keep up the good work
Jacques
This was 100% preventable. But human errors and technicalities made this horrific accident. Great upload. But what a sad disaster.
This channel is quickly becoming one of my favourites. It literally just showed on my recommended page a couple days ago and it’s just pure excellence.
Amazing level of detail, an actual point of view from a pilot, and nice and long content to binge watch.
There's one other small issue with the construction barricade; they were using red lights.
Red light is the most difficult colour to see at night, especially under poor conditions, which is why if we're driving during snowstorms or heavy fog we turn our 4-way indicators on, because the yellow light is much easier to see than our red running lights.
Medical should learn from the aviation industry
Something you missed when mentioning "things that should have indicated they were in the wrong place". And that is that they were supposed to make that right turn and then continue straight, hold short, continue, and turn then turn right again onto the runway. Instead they did 1 quick right turn and called it good. Shouldnt they have noticed they skipped all those other parts?
Exactly
Assuming the tower can see them too. Assumption is the mother of all fuckups. Inexcusable
3:16 The route of the typhoon is the opposite. Typhoons can travel from Taiwan to Japan, but not from Japan to Taiwan.
I have studied this crash a lot and still found this fascinating and learned a few new things. Amazing video.
This channel is gold . I admire people like you , that puts so much effort and detail in their work .
If more people were so meticulous in their work we would have a better world with less mishaps.
Amazing video sir! Thanks for explaining! I always learn something new from your videos appreciate your effort! 🙏
I’m happy to hear that, it’s my goal with this channel!
With a complicated taxi route, at night and in poor weather, a "Follow Me" vehicle would have prevented the accident.
Complicated taxi route, bad waether ,n missunderstanding could eventualy the 'Follow me' vehicle also lead you to the wrong runway ...
@@karim.h7249 Then obviously you just have a 'follow me' vehicle for the follow me vehicle.
or reading the fucking sign next to the runway brightly shining against a yellow background can help
@@medved7153 A small badly-lit sign at ground level viewed from 75 feet up and obscured by water all over the windscreen - much more easily said than done. Try it next time you are sitting in the jump seat.
@@karim.h7249 much less likely. Thats the reason they have pilots for ships.... local knowledge.
Love these video investigations so much. Even though this info is in a final report, this format is infinitely easier to consume for pilots, crew and others. Thanks Mentor Pilot
MP: Love your videos. You're dead right when you say it's not just one error that leads to an accident.
Tenerife 77 was a prime example of this.
Seen a few videos and documentaries on this. First time someone has discussed the difference in the taxi lighting between the two airports used by the crew. None that I recall questioned the taxi instructions. This was well done.
I flew with him as a first officer bout 10 years ago, not knowing he was the captain in this accident
Another great video!
I particularly liked the graphic visualisations of the taxing and takeoff routes, which are of great relevance to the incident.
Thank you, Mentour Pilot, for another outstanding aviation report.
Kind Regards,
Anthony
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P.S. - An afterthought: wouldn't be nice, for a taxing aircraft, to have onboard an airport navigational map with GPS, similar to those we have in the car? In this manner nighttime, rain, fog and blown light bulbs wouldn't confuse the pilot, which would always follow the correct taxiway and runway, even if he is not familiar with the layout of the airport. Just saying...
Good question.
There is actually a bit more to this. I was one of the people involved in the technical support for the investigation from the Singapore side. Based on some of the things you mention, it would appear that you managed to get hold of the CAAS report which is better than the Taiwan CAA report. However, that still doesn’t tell the full story. Thank you for this video and analysis of such a tragic event.
Hey Philip! Thank you for your feedback. What additional points should have been included?
When I create these, I do so based strictly on the information available in the final report. If there are other reliable sources, I would love to know where to find them.
@@MentourPilot Hi, I'll put together and send you an email on this. Cheers, Philip
@@philipcraig956 Will this be released publicly? and updated video created by Mentour Pilot?
@@MentourPilot I've sent you an email and hope you find it of interest
@@jloh80 I would not expect it to change. Mentour Pilot's assessment is very good and covers the ASC report well.
Some of the accident videos remind me of pictures from the Tenerife disaster. You explained this incident very very well. I watch your videos because I pick up lessons that I apply to my life and my job. Keep up the good work thank you
i wish i could become a pilot but things got real bad in my life , so bad i had a brain heammorrage etc at 25 and was put in a coma for 5 weeks , but i wish you all the best and always watch your videos . always look forward and never look backwards , live by the second and not minute god bless.
I've read about this crash before and thought there were so many lessons to be learned. You covered it very well and made it very interesting to hear about.
What must it be like- even now- for the flight crew to know they were primarily responsible for this accident. I am minded of the words spoken by Captain Hunt of the Kegworth (Castle Donnington) accident: "We were the easy option-the cheap option if you wish. We made a mistake - we both made mistakes - but the question we would like answered is why we made those mistakes."
Should the FC ever have been put into the position of having to try and fly out anyway? I work in road transport management and have adopted and adapted many aviation procedures for maintenance, operations and personnel management and I am not entirely sure that I'd have been happy sending one of our vehicles out into the middle of a hurricane, let alone these people flying an aircraft.
Yes when I heard that all the flight crew survived - that in itself sent shivers. Did they fly again? What legal ramifications did they face? Court? Jail? Loss of license? No doubt guilt and nightmares would be enough of a penalty, but what was the result of blame apportionment? Did the airport get fined for all its failings?
The two pilots were fired by Singapore Airlines after this accident and the relief pilot was suspended. The good news is that both pilots returned to flying with another airline, although it took the FO a little longer to return to the cockpit due to the mental trauma he had. Both pilots remain flying to this day and also teach younger pilots about their experience on that fateful day.
@@dynasty0019 Thank you very much for this informations!
@Samuel Wright Aviation yes- it's East Midlands Airport.
At Kegworth, the flight crew never accepted the finding that their investigation of the engine vibrations was seriously flawed because it was done hastily and not in accordance with the airline's operating procedures. The investigators decided that their lack of familiarity with the 737-400 (which was the their main defence/complaint) was secondary in importance.
Tragic. Ridiculous. If 5R had been a UK road, there would have been a sign at its threshold showing that a man is struggling to open an umbrella inside a big red reflective triangle. Regardless, there could have been a barrier across the end of 5R to stop aircraft turning into it.
No there couldn't, since it was being used as taxiway
@@MatthijsvanDuin Study the map in the video.
@@etangdescygnes Watch the video and think.
@@hb1338 Look at the map presented in the video. The barrier on 5R, far from its ends, was positioned to block aircraft entering precisely that part into which the aircraft turned, from the end. For this section, there was an alternative, parallel taxiway which the pilots had used. Therefore a barrier could have been placed across the end of 5R, and at the very least, a big red warning triangle, and the words "NO ENTRY, WORK IN PROGRESS".
I really love your content. As someone who has an irrational fear of flying, but is well aware of it being irrational, watching your content has helped me overcome that. Seeing how much has to go wrong in order for there to be a catastrophic incident is actually very reassuring.
Ground navigation, especially at complex airports in poor weather, is often the most difficult and hazardous part of a flight. This is not emphasized and practiced enough in training imho. Great analysis. Thanks, as always.
And the signs are horribly small and difficult to see from high up in a heavy.
I was back then in Singapore, I remember reading about in local newspapers... There were some issues with "unfriendly" approach to investigation by Taiwanese authorities, some fingers pointing, blame shifting... It was (got) attributed to "fear of loosing face", so prevalent in Chinese culture (both Taiwan and Singapore are "Chinese" countries). There were suggestions that the Capitan of this flight was under pressure (internal one) to preserve good record of SQ as a carrier that "can arrive on time, every time" (i.e. very few delays or cancelled flights - important aspect for business travellers, which were AFAIK an important "target" for SQ, poising itself as a "premium, but reliable" airline, "a notch above the rest") and because of the severity of the typhoon the crew was kinda afraid (kinda rightly) that if they won't take off NOW they might get grounded not just for few hours, but for a day or even possibly two days (if not more). Then there were issues about "poor safety record and management/ practices" of Taipei APT (no ground radar, no CLEAR and OBVIOUS marking at the end of the runway, showing CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY "STOP! YOU CAN'T GO THERE!", some suggestions that because of strong crosswinds AND slippery taxiways the trip to the runway took "significantly longer that usual", thus further "priming" the Capitan to making mental picture "we're finally there" - and so on, and so forth.
This is not to 'argue" with the report or question this presentation - those are merely my personal recollection from that time. It was kinda "personal" to me as because of my job back then (it was nearing to its termination at the time of the accident) I used to fly frequently to and from Singapore (although not really to Taipei), and quite often the airline was SQ - which I remember very fondly.
(The tickets for SQ flights used to be more expensive that those for Thai's (TG) or Cathay's (CX) so "my" company preferred those "more economic" airlines, but often there was no choice - which made me glad, as the planes were newer, cleaner and the in-flight service - and food - was better.)
Without having any background knowledge, the question of time pressure also struck me as (potentially) underplayed by the video. The captain may have been saying that they were in no rush, but it feels like they were very determined to take off 'before it got too bad' and that had a ripple effect. The failure to fully check for runway contamination, non-noticing of the various indicators prior to takeoff feel like not just confirmation bias, but also perceived time pressure leading to reduced situational awareness.
On the whole an amazing video though.
Sadly, this one demonstrates the truth of The Art of War by 孫子: "Every battle is won or lost before it is ever fought." Thank you for presenting the planning and preparation for the flights you review! WHY would ICAO allow a passenger airline to initiate a take-off in winds up to 30kts if the safety equipment is only rated to 25kts?
That decision is the responsibility of IATA, but your question is still valid.
Man, that's a lot of shortcomings in the equipment of the airport. Ground radar should absolutely be mandatory. The lack of it really stands out among the majority of incidents on the ground.
Tell us how it would have prevented this crash. Hint - it probably would not have done so.
Wonderful video! You have helped me get over many of my fears of flying and have even inspired me to look into getting my private pilot's license. Thank you for always making high quality content for your viewers and aviation lovers!
I never feared flight but I was curious how it worked. I read a book and joined the AirForce in USA. Fixed planes & then flew them. It was always intriguing watching Skyking James Bond movies and 12 o'clock High. Just not understanding can produce fear. Simulators help too.
Another visual que that no one was talking about is that RWY 05R, has taxiway from both right and left sides while RWY 05L only has taxiway on the right side to exit and cross RWY 05R into Taxiway NP