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Our great mother Nature should finally punish her naughty children, for our eco-sins!! Humanity deserves it!!
How about Australia 🇦🇺 ?
Pretty sure that one girl didn't apply to stickers to her door individually. It looks like it was some kind of decorative wall paper.
Taylor, that text you had prepared to read about the girl removing the wallpaper and comparing it to her erasing her personality and leaving only a blank wall was very striking. I felt exactly like Drew in that it makes the video extra hard to watch when viewed from this angle.
You really have a way with words.
'Marriage isn't supposed to make you happy, it's supposed to make you holy' really feels like it could be used to justify all manner of abuse and shitty behaviour.
Yeah, that’s a recipie for emotional abuse. 😔
And as always, somehow it's always the woman's fault!
it IS used to justify all manners of abuse and shitty behaviour-
As if it wasn't bieng used like that already
COULD be? It HAS been for decades, if not centuries
Wait, wait... I can pray more tacos into existence?!? Why don't Christians lead with that when they are out converting???
Unfortunately, it only works for _fish_ tacos. That's why.
Shit like this really infuriates me. I lost my mum to bowel cancer. She was a Christian and had a very liberal spirituality which I loved and respected. But the implication that I should be gleefully worshipping a God that used his supernatural powers to multiply Tacos, but refused to heal a 60 year old woman who had worshipped and trusted in him for her entire life actually makes me physically angry.
Turning LaCroix into Prosecco
@limbothytimothy my friend was Catholic and lost her mom to brain cancer. It sounded horrific and she lost what was left of her faith after that :(
@@limbothytimothy "It's all part of god's plan" /s
All jokes aside, I'm sorry about your mom.
Your emphasis on sexual education and wellness is absolutely spot on. Ignorance isn't "innocence" to be protected, it's vulnerability to deceit and manipulation and abuse.
This!!
exactly. We'd never try to claim someone who's been scammed is some "poor widdle innocent" because they didn't know what the warning signs and red flags looked like, so why the hell should we treat kids and adults who don't know about sex ed or were denied that kind of education any differently
imagine a world without that deceit and manipulation and abuse…
it’s hard for your culture we (#2Spirit here - 1 of each gender sharing 1 body) understand…
#indigenous cultures tho can understand it and rebuild it when the Evangelicals stop stomp stomping on the Natives
The Christian emphasis on “knowledge taints you, ignorance is purity” is fucked up and continues to fuck up our understanding of sex and sexuality.
Like- teach them about sex ed (to make them not ignorant) but dont hand them weirdo wattpad fanfics, THAT is when innocence becomes an issue
“Marriage is meant to make you feel holy, not happy.”
That’s a sad message to share.
Right? Also, is it really that holy if you have to start fighting the second you get married, and fight not to divorce?
You as in the woman. Never the man, mind you.
@@Jaguarkralle1 It is if your idea of marriage is that it is a reflection of Christ's love for the church and nothing else. When you think that marriage is supposed to be some divine reflection of God's love or what ever, then it makes sense when it's hard from day one, because then you can ascribe it to spiritual warfare, i.e. "Satan is attacking our marriage because it is so holy and divine".
Telling on themselves SO HARD honestly. A lot of Christian stuff is like, "just admit you're miserable, it's ok"
@@vintagearisen That’s why I plan to never get married again if I end up widowed or divorced. Been married since 93. He’s a “Christian”, and “in recovery”, but problematic as fuuuuuqqqq.
"bible stories as fashion" would make a really cool drag race challenge
That’s what I was thinking. I feel like I could see a world where a queer person does the same video (with better outfits) and I like it. It just feels kinda sacrilegious in this girls content like Drew said
ooooh I need to see this
I am just imagining a floor lengthy blue dress with tiny plastic babies, mini human figures and animals adorning it. And the train of the dress is also made up of these figures.
With a small fancy hat that has a tiny ark (3d) on it.
I am desperate to see a "destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah" dress worn by a drag queen. It'd just be so good, I'm thinking part Hunger games fire dress, part pillar of salt
Fashion based on biblical women and men...I can see an amazing trend starting.
"Protect yourself from demons using oils" so witchcraft
Lmao
I know! It’s hilarious whenever I see this stuff
Frl
Literally!
Animal and human sacrifice, divining casting lots, speaking some magical invocation over bread and wine to transform it.. 😂
the bit about christian music reminds me of a Hank Hill quote: “Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock n' roll worse.”
Was hoping someone would quote this XD
Seeing that girl removing all her stickers and the talk about "sad beige homes" really makes me sad for them. The fact some people feel the need to suppress a part of their personality to fit in is not something we should be rooting for. I think every teenager goes through that phase, Christian or not, of feeling ashamed for liking something because other kids told you it's "uncool". I hope they find the strength to let it go and live their best life.
That was step one in her transition into her basic-white-girl-christian-era.
The “joy is sinful” mentality is depressing. All individuality is just stamped out and there’s nothing left
If Jesus was alive today he would absolutely have Lisa frank stickers on his iPad and no one can tell me otherwise
I use to do that. Hated my self even more one year because I couldn't believe like others. And I wanted to kill myself. I tried to erase me and give myself to God. But I never wanted to die more, it wasn't me. Give it sum time I was like fuck God n this bs. Said how I really felt, n was full fledged athiest. I was smart when young, I knew it was bullshit.
I refused to let go of enjoying things so hard I became ostracized… but would occasionally pretend not to be into whatever was “uncool” when I had an opportunity to hang out with someone I missed hanging out with.
As a born and lapsed Irish Catholic, the idea of dressing up as Mary is MINDBLOWING. Even now I could never.
Catholic here too. It just…insane to think about.
I'm of Irish Catholic background and so is my husband and we're so mystified by the stuff evangelicals do. Such a very different interpretation of Christian behavior. I always am amused by the claim that someone has a "personal relationship" with Jesus, too. Like what kind of "personal" relationship could you have with someone with whom you can't interact with? 🤔 An imaginary one that you just don't admit is imaginary. Seems kind of arrogant to claim to be some kind of special buddies with a divine being.
@@slsilver481it's the biggest, most consistent and most toxic of a parasocial relationships. You can even see it when someone says stuff like, "what would Jesus do?" because you are making decisions based on your perception of a dead man and how he would react in a situation he could never have imagined
I mean your allowed to dress up as Mary in her traditional looking outfit but I don’t see many people dress up as Mary reinterpretation in a modern day outfit lol
@slsilver481 That's so crazy because I grew up evangelical and the idea that somebody could claim to be Christian and NOT have a personal relationship with Jesus came across as dead faith to me.
I'll defend my former tribe for a moment by saying, at least how I felt, it wasn't arrogance; it was the idea that of COURSE the all-powerful God could have a personal connection to every person simultaneously.
Also a lot of people claim to feel God speaking to them. I had OCD so whenever I thought I felt that it was usually an intrusive thought and I had to distance myself from that understanding of God for my own sanity. But it definently wasn't arrogance.
The belief that marriage is supposed to be hard and not make you happy is so damaging. I’ve seen friends stay in marriages where both of are just miserable, don’t like each other at all, but they don’t believe in divorce and they think the marriage being hard is how it’s supposed to be. It’s brutal to watch.
Yeah I remember when I was a teenager asking my mom if she thought my dad was her soul mate. She said no and that she hoped one day I found someone that I didn't have to work so hard to love. She's not even evangelical, but this idea of "marriage is SUPPOSED to be hard" is so widespread in society. And I agree very damaging.
That’s what I don’t get about all these married Christian influencers; they all say how hard being married is and I’m just like… Is it? I’ve been with my husband for 8 years and married for three and it’s just lovely and easy. I guess that’s what happens when you marry because you feel like you’re supposed to, or because you’re waiting for marriage to have sex (and you have a libido now), or if you’re taught that only certain Christian principles matter in terms of compatibility, or…
I honestly think this was a white male agenda...
@@alexisoshea1692I can’t even imagine not loving my husband, he’s my best friend and closest confidant. Even when we needed help through rough patches, it hurt to argue because I love him so much. How empty and loveless it would be without laughter and joy. That core of happiness and feeling of fulfillment is what we use to center ourselves, its the pillar of our love.
Nobody makes marriage look less desirable than Christian marriage influencers
Literally sold an entire collection of figures and memorabilia that I’d been building for my entire life while going to one of those hyper evangelical churches, just to fit in. It’s something I regret to this day and will never be able to 100% recover. Watching that girl pull down her wall of stickers brought back some very sad memories.
When I was a kid, my aunt and cousins convinced me that Pokemon cards were demonic, so we ended up burning all of mine. Still sad about that to this day.
I too was convinced that Pokémon are demons, so I threw ALL of my Pokémon video games I had back then away. Nowadays they are so hard to find and very expensive and I regret it every single day. I would love to play them again but they now cost 3-5x the price I bought them for.
@@cfthechefI'm totally 100% against piracy so I am telling you NOT to emulate, and I am recommending that you DON'T use Vimm's Lair to download your game(s) and I'm saying that you SHOULDN'T use DeSmuMe as your emulator if you want to emulate a DS game
@@cfthechef i dont know if this helps, but you can buy emulators that come preloaded with a lot of the old pokemon games! look up the miyoo mini plus and similar devices, trust me its way cheaper than trying to buy all the official games
Shit man I'm sorry I collect wrestling figures myself and honestly I couldn't do it I would tell them to kindly fuck off. I'm sorry that happened tho if you don't mind me asking what kinda figures were they?
The girl stripping her closet sticker collage was the saddest thing to watch. I know for awhile religion stripped me of my personality and I threw away and snapped cds and items that had meant a lot to me but felt I needed to rid myself of to appeal to god. I also took up the Mandy Moore “Walk to Remember” style, dressing in plain oversized clothes and wearing my long hair in a ponytail. 😆 Of course at the end of the day none of that mattered as I still felt like a filthy rag struggling to earn this deity’s approval…(but simultaneously felt better than other people for at least trying harder than they were to be faithful to god’s beige qualifications for purity of spirit?) Well, I hope that girl finds herself again one day too.
It reminds me strongly of the New Age to Jesus trend. This is a horrible trend which actually destroys lives…
Wow, cool story. Everything always about me, me, me.
@@andrewhall3799this comment is so unnecessary
@@crowfoot8059 I could not agree more!
@andrewhall3799 Where from does this thought and thus comment arise, Andrew?
Its so weird that they think they are godly and monetizing it. Where is the humility? I bet she doesn't even give to charity. But, if she did, you know she'd film it.
There’s even a Bible verse against this type of attention.
There isn't a specific Bible verse that explicitly states one should pray outside of public. However, a commonly referenced verse regarding prayer and public display is Matthew 6:5-6. In these verses, Jesus teaches:
“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.”
This passage is often interpreted as advising believers to pray in a humble, private setting rather than seeking attention through public displays of piety.
There is precious little room in today's American Christianity for the teachings of Christ. Jesus would scarcely recognize what his church has become. The dollar has been deified and piety is worn as a costume to keep hidden a cynical and predatory capitalism which infects a greater proportion of congregations - and our broader American culture as well.
if she does donate to charity i would certainly love to know which ones lol. some of the folk at church growing up would give money to the most unhinged "charity" organizations
I dunno if they even think they’re godly, they might just be cashing in on their chosen audiences’ gullibility.
Truly I tell you, they have already received their reward in full.
Taylor is spot on about the girl and her stickers. I was told by our Bible study leader to remove all “ungodly” music from my phone and I really wanted to, but I was 13 and I just couldn’t bring myself to get rid of Bruno Mars and The Killers. Makes me so sad looking back that I cried in my room and thought I was a bad person because I loved music
I’m so sorry they had u stressed over something so silly. Jam your heart out now tho !! 😩🎤🎶
@@hiyaaieh hah thanks! Luckily my mom immediately noticed the BS and told me god would want me to enjoy life and listen to music that makes me happy
lol I love your username 😂
@@dolliquette hehe thanks I think I’m funny
Aaaawww!😭 And unlike Jesus, Bruno Mars will catch a grenade for you💕
“Marriage is supposed to make to holy, not happy” is one of the most toxic thoughts on the planet. I did this for 21 years and I was miserable. But I just have been really holy, right?
I finally got divorced and i am remarried and so much happier. I’ll take happy, thanks.
Congrats for your new marriage!
The lady tearing down her stickers, and your commentary, hit home. My dad tore down the art and posters off of my walls when I was a teenager. He claimed that anything that took my mind off of God was idol worship, and wasn't allowed in his house. I later found myself in a marriage with a man who wouldn't let me decorate. It's been a bad marriage, and I'm very close to getting out. I've been dreaming of decorating a place of my own! I've never had a say, and I'm really looking forward to the freedom.
On another note, I'm so glad you are back and doing better! Please look after yourself.
Stay safe and well as you leave. Best wishes.
@@altyrrell3088 Thank you so much!
Stay strong my friend ❤️
Good luck!
How are you doing now?
The way she gave Mary a crop top, off the shoulders, and basically disrespecting someone so holly… bro and the calling the disciples HAD ME CACKLING. So stupid
Also, _which_ Mary? There's like three.
also fetishizing a palestinian jewish woman who was likely about 14 when she gave birth to jesus
@@asenseofyarning5614In that outfit? Mary Magdalene, surely?
@@AenesidemusOZ slutshaming cool
The thing about thinking there is some invisible man always out to get you is something that really traumatized me as a child. I’m an atheist adult with OCD and one of my obsessive thoughts I have to work through is constantly thinking demons are watching me because I no longer believe in anything. It’s like because of this ideology being such an intrinsic part of my childhood growing up I can’t escape it. I may not believe it spiritually but now I have to mentally fight these same concepts within my mental illness
OMG SAAAAAME! You described my struggle and childhood experience with religion perfectly.
I'm in the exact same boat. Obsessive praying was a huge problem for me long before my official diagnosis and even now that I'm agnostic I still struggle with feeling like gods watching my every move and if I don't dust my shelves right now that's laziness and a sin and I'll be punished by my parents dying in a car crash or something. And the crazy thing is, is that the fear isn't even that far off what we were told in church (and usually with ocd it can get so unrealistic but here it isn't even that far off). Religious ocd is apparently an incredibly common ocd theme which isn't surprising but I've not rly ever heard anyone else saying their experience with it (tbf I don't know anyone else with ocd) so I just wanted to say thanks for sharing and youre not alone in that weird experience of not believing any more but still having it as a recurring theme.
And they always say things like "anxiety is just the devil trying to opress you" "depression isn't real" putting the blame on person struggling with it??? Trying to explain this to my parents when I left the church was like pulling teeth. People think they're so holy for ignoring their issues (often leading to them negatively impacting others because of it) and pretending to be happy when they're so clearly not. My mental illness was one of the major reasons I decided to leave. If they were so wrong about that, then what could they even be right about?
@@lyavain2764 when I told my mom my ocd makes me think demons are watching me she gave me a lecture about living your life the right way and said that sometimes your anxiety is the “holy ghost conviction”
I have very similar experience as someone with bipolar disorder and paranoid delusion at times who used to be athiest but has come into religion recently, its an important topic to discuss because i feel a lot of religions try to shove how mental illness often intersects with belief under the rug, when the much more honest and safe way to talk about it is to define where the belief should stop and rationality should take over.
The girl with the stickers on her door made me sad. Took me back to my 20s when I purged my CD collection of "ungodly" music. 😔
Same!
Reminded me of a video I saw from the 80s. It was a dude burning all his metal records after he converted.
Ugh. Sad recollection of getting rid of all of my Harry Potter stuff
It looked staged to me
I got rid of a bunch of my own drawings the same way around the age of 16. Like 3 or 4 whole sketchbooks... only because they contained drawings of happy gay people. I do draw happy gay people now, but those messy teenage sketches will be missed forever 😢
So glad to see you back! You were missed. Don't forget to prioritize yourselves first and not worry about us internet randos too much.
I agree! Taylor, it's great to see and hear you again. Hoping for health and happiness for you in 2024 and beyond.
The lady on the plane has me so mad - I have family members who struggle with religious guilt and fear that they are going to succumb to darkness for stepping away from a religion that was negatively effecting and controlling them. I also struggle really badly with flight anxiety. I can't imagine dealing with a combination of the two, having someone tell me I'm going to hell if I'm already a bit scared about flying. A plane is not an OK place to stir up people's angst and fear, it's a heightened situation and this is so inconsiderate!
And to make it worse, it's a captive audience - and you're not allowed to do anything to shut them up.
Seeing that couple force themselves to stay together in an un-loving marriage is heartbreaking! 💔
I watched my mother go through the same thing.
I'm watching my very christian best friend go through the same thing.
I also noticed her resistance to kissing him. every. single. time.
I know the whole thing about Christian media is, “Secular media but worse,” yet I couldn’t imagine they can do social media influencing any worse than it is. I humbly admit I was wrong.
It's weird, because historically there's been some really good Christian media. (ie Narnia, Dante's Inferno, 80% of renaissance paintings). But the most recent bit of good Christian media was Prince of Egypt back in the 2000's, and that's not so much specifically Christian as generally Abrahamic. What happened?
@@Albinojackrussel They separate those art pieces as dismiss them if they have something they object to. They have no compass or creed really. They mold it to whatever they want. If they object to it they simply find a vague interpretation in the bible to justify their view, not the other way around. They wouldn't put themselves in the same vicinity with Dante's inferno. I do see them do-opting Prince of Egypt though.
@@AlbinojackrusselEvangelical Christianity #1 repels intelligent, creative people, #2 inspires the type of passion that will drive members to create religious media, and #3 is in opposition to secular media. So it's like Evangelical Christianity is full of people with no talent that are really driven to make Christian media, but "secular" media is full of talented Christians that just aren't that motivated to make Christian media.
"Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock and roll worse?" - Hank Hill
@@Neil-iu2sq subversive against the Church as an institution sure. But he himself was a devout Catholic as far as we can tell.
It's not like line-toeing evangelical Christians are the only Christians out there. Where are the rest of them, and why aren't they making cool religious arts?
To be fair, you should definitely get right with your creator before flying Spirit.
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The whole “marriage is so HARD and it takes so much WORK and you’re going to be MISERABLE but it’s worth it” idea is so so so so damaging.
I used to be in a marriage where I was being abused and cheated on. He had a lot of past trauma, so I was told “just give him time to heal,” “you’ve gotta work on it,” and “it’ll get better.” It got worse.
I’ve been in my current relationship for over two years now, and we have never fought. Not once. It’s so easy, and so gentle, and so kind. It absolutely does not have to be a struggle.
My husband and I have also never had a fight or even raised our voices at each other. If you're with an emotionally intelligent, kind person, marriage really isn't hard. So glad you've found a partner who nurtures your peace!
I really appreciate your videos as someone with a severely mentally ill partner who JUST started becoming evangelical af like 3 months ago during the beginning of a manic episode. Bc of this manic episode mixed in with the pressure from two newly fundimentalist (also mentally ill and untreated) family members he's just become a totally different person, dropped his therapist of 3 year and refuses to go to the doctors bc "our lord and savior Jesus christ has healed [him]." now he speaks in tongues, goes to church 3 times a week, and is convinced that demons are making me bisexual (even though he's NEVER said that in our 9 years of marriage and he had no issue of me being bi before we got married) Anyways your videos really help ground me, I feel so heard and seen amidst all the chaos, mental illness, and exploitation through the church/fundimentalism. I've even told my therapist about your videos! Thank you so much!!
That sounds awful. I wish you and your partner the best, and I hope you two are able to move forward together. Love from Colorado ❤
I hope you take care of yourself and leave this situation if you have to. Im not saying your partner is a bad person, but mental illness and religion mix really badly and can potentially be really dangerous.
@annjay2581 I appreciate your concern, and totally hear where you're coming from. But it's not as though fundinentalism+mental illness has suddenly made my spouse physically violent, hes never been that way towards me. And i think calling mentally ill ppl "dangerous" is a stereotype, its stigmatizing. They're usually dangerous to themselves more than anyone else. I myself have mental illnesses (anxiety/ptsd diagnosed at 13 years old) and grew up catholic. I'm agnostic now- the only person I'd hurt was myself because of the anxiety and religious guilt.
@yallratripbye9570 I think what they meant was more that Evangelicalism tends to enable the potentially dangerous parts of mental illness, ie confirming a depressed person's untrue beliefs that they are a bad person. Not so much that the mental illness in itself is dangerous. Kind of like trying to cure a cold by having other people cough on you 😐
@@yallratripbye9570he might not be physically violent but there is a story of a man, totally normal, goes through a manic episode, starts believing q anon stuff, and he killed his whole family. It's true that not all mentally ill people are violent, but these hardcore right wing beliefs specifically bring out the violence in people towards others in their life who don't think the way they want. Stay safe out there, that's some scary shi
“Marriage is meant to make you holy not happy” really threw me. What a sad way to live and really sets things up for abuse
At some point, when I was a Christian, I did ascribe to this notion that prayer was a form of warfare against something. In hindsight, I think it fulfills the same romantic heroic fantasy dopamine rush in an adolescent brain that watching Top Gun or Braveheart, or LARPing, or prepping, buying a handgun, learning Krav Maga, or training to be a Navy SEAL can.
omg yes! the larp is so strong: "put on the armor," "tribulation force," "spiritual warfare." it's not surprising how that appeals to people
I totally found that in my writing.
13:00 I had my regular closet as my "prayer closet", with incense, a fluffy and comfortable rug, and great lighting with a window to the outside. After my deconversion I put all of my houseplants and cold weather sensitive plants in it. It also became my craft room and I felt just as much, if not more, peace when spending time in there.
I have moved and now have a lovely office that's filled to the brim with plants, comfortable seating, and of course my work desk. So peaceful and a great meditation space. 😊
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I think the unhinged part of that prayer closet lady is she _completely_ misses the point of what big J was trying to get at when he talked about praying in private. It was so you weren't praying to performatively demonstrate your own righteousness like many within the Judaic religious establishment would do in that time. Yet here she is performatively demonstrating her own righteousness by recording herself praying in a closet thinking she's got it right. The irony from this alone could cure anemia worldwide.
This!
“Prove to me God exists” “no” is valid as hell
I currently live in Japan. Fortunately, i was out of the country for vacation on New Year's, but everyone in my neighborhood felt the earthquake. One of my coworkers has relatives in the Wajima area. Even still, they don't have running water, and they have to go to the mountain to get clean springs or even snow. I don't know what they're going to do if the problem isn't solved by winter's end. People in the Noto peninsula are finding more bodies every day. None of the Japanese I've met here have been religious, but they've always been interested in me and treated me kindly. They've invited my family to their house when they came to visit, and baked me bread. They've carried my furniture when I moved in and driven me to the hospital when I'm feverish. They would be horrified by this Instagram shit.
I hardly ever write TH-cam comments. I haven't finished the video yet, but it pisses me off beyond what I thought it could that someone fucking loser howling in church basement is purporting divine justice with the Noto earthquake when he, in all likelihood, couldn't point Japan out on a damn map.
Well said, my brother from another nation. Stay strong and greetings from the U.S. I'm sorry that "preacher" is such an idiot and he DOES NOT represent us.
That couple that said the immediately had the worst time after marriage makes my heart break in so many ways. It’s a post that screams we were not given the tools to function as two adults in a health communicative relationship. It’s just like feel so sorry because i believe they were not given the tools to succeed and their community didn’t prepare them
My mom had a book with a title like "maybe marriage is supposed to make you holy, not happy" on her night stand and it broke my heart. My dad has been emotionally and verbally abusive since as early as I can remember. I think it's from his trauma, but I've seen my mom suffer so so much over the years because of it. Personally, I think being religious played a part in her staying.
Same ❤ religion kills marriage and the soul.
Former fundie here. Even as an atheist now, the girl wearing crop tops as Mary and eve is so mind blowing to me. The way I was raised, that would be considered the epitome of blasphemy. Ofc I don’t care that she is wearing those things, she looks good, but the intention behind it is so against the Christian idea of modesty, at least the one I was raised with (it’s subjective, like you said).
I live in Japan. The earthquake was horrific. That false prophet is evil.
In regard to people imagining themselves in a spiritual battle, there are really two extremes imo. There's the one you detailed here, where very privileged people have to invent persecutions for their martyr complex... But there are also people facing very real, very serious problems (serious illness, hunger, war etc) who feel helpless to solve those problems, so they move into this fantasy headspace where they feel that they are able to make real change against the enemy by praying.
FACTS. I see the Palestinians right now as the true prayer warriors
They pointed out how Mary was a peasant girl who wouldn’t be wearing really fancy clothing. I think it’s interesting that she chose to dress up as Mary in this Indian/Southeast Asian type of aesthetic? Like the beautiful fabric over her head (that looks like a sari) and then the posing with her palms together? Idk especially because it’s so different from the other outfits she put together.
Glad to see Taylor is doing ok, missed u guys ❤
As a Christian I’m equally skeptical of stuff like that. Years ago I had a friend who was a musician. He performed on a few Elvis recordings. So he was asked by some big time famous faith healers to perform at their “revivals”. He shared how they would talk about what they called “holy deception”. The idea was that if they could make the audience to believe miracles were happening they’d be more likely to become a Christian at their meetings. The miracles were faked every time. I remain a Christian but this stuff drives me crazy. I get why many people just don’t believe in any kind of spiritual reality anymore.
Yikes, that’s awfully.
@@PlayerTenji95awful, but sadly not surprising at all. Grifters gonna grift.
You've hit the nail on the head when you say Evangelism encourages people to walk away from their identities and personalities! I left Church about 8 months ago, and I've spent most of that time reconnecting with my true self, so I really relate!
PS I've missed you lately! Glad to see you back! 😊
As a Christian I feel bad for the girl who took down all of the stickers. I had to take all kinds of harmless things off my walls and it did real damage.
Self expression is Biblical. :(
For all the people feeling bad for the person taking down their "sticker collection", I doubt those were individually picked out. You can order vinyl sheets that look like that. And I don't think individual stickers would come off that easy. Sweet of everyone one to sympathize with them. And sorry to all those who purged personal items.
She may have also placed stickers onto a vinyl layer to protect the paint though
Yea I don't believe she had those up for long 😂 she did it for the gram
They were placed on top of each other from top to bottom, so when you removed, they would come off in one piece. Clearly some didn't and had to be removed separately.
yeah, look at the back of the stickers, it's just a single smooth sheet, not individual stickers. They absolutely just bought a few sheets of that for the video
It still sucks though to watch. She still felt the pressure to strip away her personality and interests just to fit in and "glorify God." That's something that a lot of people sadly related to, and that doesn't go away just because it might have been faked.
As someone in Dallas, we currently have billboards everywhere saying “The end times are coming” and idk who is paying for them, but yes even in the gayborhood there’s the gospel.
The clip of the person tearing down their sticker walls broke me a bit. When I was young, and getting accepted into a church, I left behind so many treasured possessions that were special to me because I wanted to rid myself of "worldliness". I had autographs from my favorite musicians, albums, books, poems that I had written, and countless other things. I threw them all away for something that wasn't real. I regret it all the time.
For a group that claims that are loving, they sure want others to suffer. Especially when those people don't believe in their beliefs. Religion and hypocrisy go together like peanut butter and jelly
Edit: Metal and Christianity will NEVER go together
A lot of those are really difficult to watch. I’ve heard lately there are evangelicals wanting the sermon on the mount discounted for being “too woke.” It’s proof that American is the religion. Not Christ. That being said y’all are SO CUTE!!! I hope y’all are living and continue to live your best lives! I love both of your channels and that amount of love and genuineness makes me so happy to see❤
No WAY are people saying that one of Jesus's Most Important Sermons shouldn't count 😭😭😭
If I could turn 11 tacos into 22 tacos I would... Still probably not convert to Christianity but that would be rad
If you could turn 11 tacos into 22, people would be converting to Apezanity.
Performative worship is so pervasive on reels… it feels even LESS likely like anyone could fall for these things.. but they seem to lap it up eagerly…it’s really upsetting.
It's also condemned in the bible which is fun
Taylor was spot on with her critique of evangelicalism. "I can't imagine spending that much time thinking I'm at war." Loved what Drew said about Satan, that he's an "invisible monster man"
I don't miss that anxiety, not gonna lie
Now I just have the regular type of anxiety but as it turns out anxiety is a thing you'll have with or without evangelical beliefs, the difference now is that I don't feel the absolute horror of believing everybody around me is going to go to hell and that's honestly such a relief
Given how triggering that woman on the spirit plane was for me just watching this, I know if I was on that plane I would have yelled the Bible also says woman should stay silent and not cut their hair. Let me be clear, not a stance I personally believe in. But triggered me wouldn’t hold back 😅
Also, I really wish I could have heard what the employee said after that “hiii” 😂
OMG that lady on the plane 🤦🏻♀️ I would be so mad if someone did that while I was waiting to deplane. My husband would be that guy yelling at her to shut up lol.
If you haven’t already, take a look into the Bethal school of supernatural ministries in Redding California. That stuff is bat shit crazy! Before I became a born again atheist, my church had these people make a visit. It was so wild and crazy that it literally split the church in half and many members left to start their own church using those teachings they learned. Their big thing is being “drunk in the spirit” and will act like an over exaggerated drunk person in the middle of an average service. It’s wild!
Sadly, they've infiltrated alot of NorCal churches. They got to the last one I went to before I left the faith entirely. They turned a formerly progressive church into a pro conversion therapy church. 😢
The Skillet guy lists a whole bunch of issues that are united by nothing but the fact that he's massively wrong about that thing, and lumps everyone who ever told him so into one gigantic himself-defying cosmic villain. Nobody's "cancelling" him for "different ideas" they are TELLING HIM HE IS WRONG about some idea he has, and WHY he is wrong.
As someone who listened to them as a kid I’m so disappointed
He's turned into a huge tool and honestly he shouldn't be putting so much stock in traditional "masculinity" considering the haircut he used to have. Pepperidge farm remembers
Day 3 as a white woman with no tacos:
Initially I sat the table in the livingroom with plates, fancy tablecloth, glasses etc on day 1. I tried putting foil on one plate, and gone praying in my bathtub (No closet, sorry.) but no food appeared. I put on Skillet, I considered hiring a choire but it's too expensive so I just sang for myself. Of course I've been wearing Mary-inspired fashion all three days.
Since it's end of DAY THREE (3!!!) where I'd ASSUME He would have gotten a chance to rise and show up, I think it's safe to say... I have been ghosted on my date with God 😭
‘Satan started attacking us the day we said I do’ sent me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
i love what you said at 15 minutes - it's the most toxic part of evangelisim, being mentally ill but having your "kingdom friends" tell you that demons are attacking you for not praying hard enough. i KNOW my friend doesn't understand anxiety or depression
*If you go on a "date with God," does He pay half?*
*I was raised hyper-Christian, but have never heard of a "prayer closet."*
*Anyone can pray and predict "the wind is going to blow," then when it does they claim they helped God make the wind blow; it's so silly.*
"I'm gonna make sure these white girls have all their tacos," that made me laugh. Well done. Good to see you back
The unknown 11th commandment
doesn't filming you going into your prayer closet completely ruin the reason for a prayer closet? idk, i didn't grow up with that idea but i was under the assumption that it was all about praying alone behind closed doors bc praying in front of a crowd is performative and stuff.... like uhhhhh
The new year one is crazy, but growing up as the daughter of an evangelical missionary couple, it’s very accurate. I always just sat there awkwardly not knowing what to do while everyone around me was acting like they were possessed by the Holy Spirit or something. Like, what do you do in this situation when you’re not into it? I always felt I wasn’t being Christian enough to be in the grace of God. Like I wasn’t praying hard enough. Like I was insufficient.
I love and appreciate all the people I grew up with, but that part of evangelical missionary culture left me traumatized in many ways.
"A bracelet with a black bead, a red bead and a white bead"
me, a German: oh lord no o.O
I loved that point Taylor made about the prosperity gospel making people think they're failing at a relationship with God because they can't afford to go out on "dates" with God or to maintain the aesthetic of these Christian influencers. It's very focused on the material. I remember when I was an evangelical teen I often felt pressure to get a fancy bible cover bag or the right annotated popular version (The Message was super popular in youth ministry at the time) and notebook journals with daily verses on them, or to buy the same books and devotionals from popular Christian leaders, even though I tended to resist this last part in favour of just trying to get all my truth from the Bible, prayer and worship and the Holy Spirit's leading. But all this pressure was as a teen in the early 2000s. I'm so glad I didn't have the pressure of social media influencers to contend with.
46:25 I’m pretty sure this is the woman who said autism could be exorcised out of someone and that you just don’t believe in god enough-
Okay but I'd be very interested to know why the peace symbol is demonized in Christian circles because my mom was the same way, she HATED peace symbol, coexist bumper stickers, the yin yang symbol (which I kind of get because it's "pagan"), also skulls and any vaguely macabre designs. Some I understand but it would be an interesting video topic I think to explore the antagonism American Christians have for common symbols in our culture
I was told when I once attended Lutheran confirmation class by the pastors that the Coexist symbol was wrong because it implies that there is no one religion that is higher/truer than another and when your religion banks on you only being “saved” by fully believing and evangelizing to others that your religion is THE ultimate truth. That’s going to create some dissonance. Also some renditions of the stickers has “”new age”” symbols (science) and pagan symbols.
Needless to say at 13 that was the nail in the coffin for me
Christians tend to bristle at the concept of world peace because it's the opposite of what they want. They believe that in order for biblical prophecy to come to fruition and for Jesus himself to return, the world needs to suck first. A lot. Like, unprecedented levels of war, famine, natural disasters, social unrest, etc. They literally look forward to the end of the world because according to their beliefs, it means they get to Disney fastpass their way to Heaven. It's truly nauseating.
You guys are both so groovy and decent. I'm so grateful that y'all do what y'all do.
"supposed to be spending time with her creator while acting more like a social media content creator" is unintentionally the heaviest diss i've ever heard drew say 😂
Glad to see Taylor doing well & happy to see u both back
Glad to see you, hope you both are doing well
8:18
What’s saddest about this is,you know that this hurts Jesus‘s heart... he was against the monetization of his father’s name. That’s why, he flipped over all the tables, when people were selling stuff in the temple. He was upset at the reasoning that they were doing it, at the sacrifice that was happening, and at the bastardization of the truth. I also vividly remember when I was reading John, and he was talking about how when he wants to be close with his father he goes to the forest. It always resonated with me, as that is where I have always felt the closest with God. You don’t need anything, you don’t need a church, you don’t need a certain outfit, you don’t need to have a place with good lighting, all you need is the want to accept Jesus Christ into your heart.
"Jezebel spirit" I've also only ever heard to refer to women, generally women who don't submit to Christian patriarchal rules.
I think the "Jezebel Spirit" changes to fit whatever the speaker is mad at that day. I've heard many things that is considered the "Jezebel Spirit".
Do you know HOW many times, as a Christian woman, I've been called that? lol I ended up deeply entrenched in Biblical Womanhood groups and left them all the day I was called one for.... You heard me... Saying marital r* exists. At that point in my life I identified as complementarian (I'm egalitarian now), and even I was too egalitarian for the extremist beliefs of female subjugation. Aka I was such a jezebel, empowering the wahmenz.
@@Moon0525_oh that’s awful. Glad you left.
Also I can't think of anywhere in the actual bible where the term "Jezebel spirit" is used. Maybe it was but I don't remember.
These people are so over-the-top cringy, I can barely stomach it. You guys are great-perhaps I could have made it through a video highlighting this trend, rather than reacting.
Geez, that closet door thing was like actually kind of triggering for me. In my case, I wasn't taught that my interests were dishonoring to God, but that I had to make sure I was putting God first at all times, which honestly made it worse because I was constantly second guessing myself. I threw away stories I had written sometimes that were completely innocent but that I felt like I was spending too much time on that I should have been spending with God.
The girl tearing down her sticker collection on the closet doors actually heart breaking to me
> stay away from witch craft
> praying and chanting for destruction
> god is a good god
???
Suppressing a part of my personality to fit in to Christianity is something I did before. I’m a senior in a Christian school and I came to this school 6 years ago. Before I started going to this school I had this idea that since I’m going to a Christian school, I need to actually try to be Christian like and stop “acting” like a non Christian. Fast forward 6 years and i now realize that me doing that was sad because i wanted to fit in. It also made me realize that I'm not a Christian and thats ok.
Women can be SO misogynistic. It's harder to point out when it's other women.
Oh man...That bit about where Skillet is at was heartbreaking. They used to be my jam, and if that's how the lead singer is spending his time now...ugh. I could have guessed thought.
The one about the earthquake makes me feel physically ill... how callous towards real people who have suffered or died. That is really gross
Honestly a hardcore Christian getting Isiekied into some fantasy world and trying to be a missonary sounds like a really cool plot
If they did what Jesus said and worked to protect and empower the poor and marginalized while living in community with the outcasts of society then they would actually be persecuted.
That one where she ripped the stickers off made me wanna cry wtf =( I have a room where as much of my wall space as possible is covered with art and things that I like, and the thought of doing that to it just makes me so unbelievably sad...The closet doors are so empty and soulless now.
I'm just rolling under the table imagining that the oil lady at 9:08 is just having beef with some other lady at her church and that's who the "jezebel spirit" in question is
I remember when I was a kid growing up in the Bible Belt, I LOVED metal music and was told that it was "evil and demonic" and I shouldn't listen to it. The fact that I'm now seeing this reel with a guy, clearly trying to be metal for Jesus, just makes me straight angry. 😂 Love how the damn bar keeps moving when they keep realizing how many people are leaving evangelicalism.
Edit: oh and that's Skillet 🤮
I would LOVE you to revisit some of the Christian Rock you experienced as teenagers. Over here in the UK we don’t get much of this kind of thing but what I’ve seen is dreadful.
Welcome back, it’s great to see you!
oldhead here, but it was all about Stryper and Petra in the 80s. basically mid-tier hair metal-pop.
so yeah, not great
I would be really into the "Bible Stories as Outfits" thing if it were like...upcycled or thrifted clothing, or stuff that they made themselves. There's a good idea there, but idk, executing it with fast fashion (which is emblematic of a lot of the worst of our hyper-consumerist society -- profits above all, wastefulness, exploitation of labor and worker mistreatment, environmental destruction) just makes it feel a little...ghoulish. But idk maybe that's just my dislike of fast fashion showing here.
That lady on Spirit Airlines is one of the reasons I travel with noise cancelling headphones.
28:17 the Peace Sign. Yes. As one of the aforementioned older Gen-Xrrrs, I heard, as a teen, that it was no coincidence that the symbol looks like a cross upside down and broken. (Gen-Xrrrs was a weird accident, but I’m using it from now on)
It’s always made me feel sick to my stomach to see Calvinists be so joyous about many, many people’s lives ending in such a sudden horrific way
I remember doing dates with God/meals with God…it was a nice time to sit in solitude and feel more relaxed and peaceful. But I lacked the cool girl aesthetic for sure 😅 So glad to see you back! I love your videos. Best wishes from snowy Massachusetts 💕
I watch you guys and im a christian and some of the things us christians do are quite ridiculous. I like hearing different opinions and I think you all are quite intelligent. I do believe Christianity has become monotized which was not the mission of christ. Love you guys wishing you the very best!
I love these two, they are so cute. Also, im pretty sure the comments got turned off bc a bunch of girls screaming about "fish tacos" is definitely a fetish
😂😂😂there's a kink for all kinds.
I hope you are having a happy and healthy New Year! I love your content because I don't find it to be mean-spirited or harsh, I appreciate your level-headed criticism! I was not raised Christian, but I find Evangelical circles fascinating. However, it is a different culture than what I was raised with so I appreciate when commentators are respectful (to a degree, sometimes the stuff creators commentate on does deserve harsh criticism lol).
I grew up in a Catholic household, going to Catholic school, and living with a mother that has a PHD in theology. I've been around plenty of religious folk. Some of them are, hands down, the most fake people you'll meet. Not to mention, they're some of the most exclusive people I've met too. "Oh, you have a unique thought that our book or pastor/priest didn't tell us? Then you must be influenced by the devil/communism. You're now excommunicated from the church".
I also find it weird that it's typically the same group that want to "protect the children", but the politicians they vote for are pro-child marriage and pro-child labor (and some of them have a big issue if they looked at their own religion), while they simultaneously strip funding from education, school lunches, mental health, etc.
Religious nuts are in a pissing competition to see who is "most morally superior". Similar to Hollywood. It's all about image these days while typically working against the very thing they preach.
Lol "the devil/communism" was hilarious
I love how you all don’t attack these people or call them cringe, like calling the woman’s prayer closet cringy and laughing at her. Instead you guys critique the aspects of their social media and religion you don’t like, and that’s cool
Really nice to see you two back!!! Now onto the video, omg this brings me back to being a teenager and the crap we would do to fit into our evangelical church. I’m old enough though, we didn’t have the internet to spread the gospel we did this face to face to people. Omg cringe thank god I’ve come out of this 😂😂😂.
When I was a fundamentalist in my youth, my church (and sometimes my parents) wouldn’t let me watch shows like Pokémon and SpongeBob or let us play Yu-Gi-Oh or not to watch superhero movies because Jesus is supposed to be our only hero and role model and those other shows lead you away from god
Welcome back Taylor! So great to see you back on here! I'm so glad you seem to be doing better! 💜 I really missed you guys and was so worried until Drew let us know that it wasn't life-threatening. It's so awesome to see you both back!
I feel really bad for the girl pulling down all her stickers. This is the kind of thing that gives people a lot of religious trauma which they may only realise when they've left the faith. Every time I started to like or enjoy something I'd feel afraid that that thing was "wrong" like it was becoming an "idol" in my life, and I gave up things like sports, pastimes and passions. Even now though I don't hold that belief anymore, I struggle to feel safe getting lost in a passion, and I struggle to know what I love or what will make me happy. I have a lot of fear.
It combined with my neuro-atypicality and my parents' performative parenting in discouraging me from pursuing anything I wasn't top of my class at and I'm still working through it. It massively sabotaged my life, career, mental health, joy, and relationship with myself and sense of self, self worth and safety.