2013 VW Jetta TDI SportWagen Two Year Ownership Update - Reliability, Fuel Economy, Driving Dynamics
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2020
- Today I give you my 2 year ownership report on my "DieselGate" Volkswagen Jetta TDI SportWagen. I go over reliability, issues I've had with the car, how it drives, how the DSG transmission is holding up, and real-world MPG fuel economy numbers on it. Enjoy!
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I love my 2012 jetta tdi. Bought at 75k, and have over 107k on it now. Best car I've owned, I've used it as a lawn care work vehicle and I've beat it to shit. I dont warm it up in the cold for as long as I should, I keep it FULLY loaded 8 months out of the year, and I'm 25 and drive like it. It's a great car.
Oh, and I still average 35+ mpg combined
Mystyclpork it's true! I beat mine to shit and the cars warranty covers the entire drivetrain till 140000 miles, I beat mine to high hell and still get great mpg, I do like 80 everywhere I go and put like 50000 miles at least. And once that warranty is up hehehehe 6 speed tdi of course
113k now, and a new season to tackle! Already was able to fit a timemaster, whacker, edger, blower, hand tools, a power washer with a hose, and plenty more. Just added an ohio steel manual aerator and the groundskeeper ii as well. Still all fits, still getting awesome mileage, still making that side money!
If you see a tdi jetta just fucking buy it, I'll be looking for another if mine somehow dies anytime soon
I have a 2012 too and I get about 41 mpg, but I also drive in low traffic areas
get on changing that CP4 fuel pump before it fails.....Expensive repair fyi. Change to CP3 I have videos on that. Huge problem.$9000 repair at dealer.....FYI
@@Mikefngarage cp3 fuel pump. Do you know much about tuning them.
Bought a 2012 TDI High line with 90km on it 2 years ago. Great car, fun to drive, reliable, many bells and whistles, zero issues. Great value for excellent performance and reliability.
getting good mpg is a point of pride for owners of these for some reason. My fuel economy is about the same as yours, a little lower in frigid cold. I haven't met any owners personally that are much different unless they tune, delete, or both. If you do that you can get up into the 50's. Love your videos!!
Thank you so much for watching! What sort of annoys me is that I was selling VWs new from 2007-2010, so I was there when these things came out, and I sold a ton of them. My customers back then would tell me they were regularly getting high 40's on the highway without even trying. Of course, this was before we knew that everything wasn't on the up and up with these cars. So when I bought this one I knew the EPA highway mileage estimate was revised downward 3 MPG (it was originally 40 MPG highway), so I figured it would do low to mid 40s without much trouble. Unfortunately that hasn''t been the case. I think I've only broken 40 MPG on two tanks of fuel, and both were under pretty ideal conditions for doing so. Still, it's been a great car and I don't regret buying it.
I bought my 2013 Jetta TDI Sportwagen in October 2018 too. It had 31,000 miles on it and came with the sunroof, navigation, satellite radio, etc. it has the 48 month power train warranty which came in handy which the high pressure fuel pump failed sending metal bits through the fuel system. The dealer replaced both fuel pumps, the fuel filter, the injectors and fuel lines. Without the warranty it would have been about $4,500. I also had a problem with the sunroof leaking due to plugged or disconnected drain line lines. I really like the car’s handling and ride. I get about 34 mpg in town using the DSG in sport mode and in the mid 40s on the highway. I put about 13,000 miles on it in 2 years.
I will agree with you on fuel economy, I have a heavy foot. I drove it 240mi round-trip it used about 1/4 to get back. But I am extremely happy with my TDI.
Great review/update. My 2013 TDI Sportwagen has averaged 38 MPG over the 37750km (23456 miles) that I have owned it. 80% city, mostly short trips (not ideal for a TDI, yes I know). However, when I'm cruising on the highway for longer trips I average 49-53 MPG (4.4-4.8 l/100km in Canadian talk).
Man I wish I could get that MPG out of mine.
Bought a 2012 Jetta Sportwagen S (no sunroof, base TDI)TDI, DSG in April of 2018. It was a certified preowned, with 59K miles on it. First thing is I absolutely loved it. I've had BMW's, C class Mercedes-Benz and Audis. The VW rides just like one expects a fine German to ride, the handing was pretty good for a long top and the mileage was fabulous. I averaged 35MPG and on one 250 mile, mostly interstate trip I averaged over 41 MPG, at 75 to 85 MPH. But, right after I purchased it the dealer replaced the entire fuel system at 61K miles (the car had gone it limp mode and had several trouble lights), fuel pumps, fuel lines, filters, everything supposedly, under warranty. A very expensive job, for sure. The car was doing great until last fall. I had a right rear wheel speed sensor go bad. Then, in the fall of last year (2020) the right rear caliper froze up requiring new rotors, pads and brake fluid replacement and three weeks ago, around the 1st of February, 2021 the left front wheel speed sensor went out. At that point I felt I could not trust the car, as much as I loved it I traded it. It was in perfect condition at that point, mechanically and cosmetically, not even a ding on it. Anyway I got good money for the trade. I really wanted to trade it on a GTI S model but the sting of maintaining a German auto again still hurt. Went with a 2021 Toyota Corolla Hatchback, with 6 speed manual in silver metallic with a black metallic roof. Other than it is wagon like with the hatchback the two cars are not comparable. I am thinking after several years of maintenance free ownership (hopefully), I will go back in to VW with a MK VIII GTI w/ a manual 6 speed.
Bought the same year but the mid trim model. They call it the Golf Wagon here in Canada in May of 2019, DSG trans. Had 34,000kms (21,000miles) when bought,74,000kms(46,000)miles now. I love it, no issues what so ever.
16 months on my 2012 TDI and bought it partly because of your 10/31/2018 video. My sun/moon roof leaked as well but I did NOT get the extended warranty. Sooo, pulled it apart and fixed myself. 110K miles and looks, runs and drives like new...averaging about 32mpg mixed driving, 40mpg highway(if I'm not in a hurry)
Glad to hear your TDI is going well, thank you so much for watching my channel!
i’ve got a 2011 sportwagen tdi 6sp with 80k on it. i love the car, i’ve had it for about a year now. i agree that they are getting hard to find, i’m in iowa and you see quite a few tdi’s around but not a ton for sale. i really like the wagen bc it’s pretty luxurious compared to my old 2005.5 jetta tdi. i agree about fuel mileage, i seem to get around 30-35 ish. i can’t be certain. it struggles getting anything above 38-39. this was a slight disappointment bc i was getting 45mpg all day with my older tdi. and i’m not hard in the throttle either. but that’s the trade off with the newer vehicle i guess. mine has been very reliable (knock on wood) and i plan to keep it as long as i can. i haven’t had any issues that you stated but the bottom of my front fender on the driver side in starting the rust (salt and grime from winter). also, one thing i don’t like is all the body lines, they just collect dust/dirt/grime and you really have to keep up on cleaning it. i live on gravel road so i try to keep it clean as much as i can.
I have a 2015 Golf hatch w/ 6 speed manual. I get consistently 45-55 mpg depending on how much is freeway, etc. Summer it's insane. I got 58 on a 200 mile trip (freeway) UP to Downieville from the Bay Area however, it was 112 degrees through Sacramento up through the Valley, etc so I'm sure that played a part.
Best car we EVER owned! The gas mileage is totally awesome! I told Volkswagen that they need to make these again.
VW wants to make electric cars nobody asked for. They don't listen to their customers. Post dieselgate, they happily take orders from big daddy government.
As a lifelong VW enthusiast, I wouldn't buy any new VW vehicles... that should tell you something.
another great video..very detailed and informative...Thanks:-)
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
Like your video man I have a 2015 last year they had the tdi's my Jetta was bought in 2019 with 41,000 miles on it today it has a 83000 with no problem at all love the car
Thank you for watching!
My DSG with 260k miles on it shifts like new....BUT the clutches needed replacement.. doint that right now
Just bought a 2014 TDI sportwagen for $11k with 70,000 miles . Excited
I bought a 2014/mk6 dgs tdi a year ago. Emotionally I rate similar to my '73 chevelle ss back in the 70ties. You are correct about the fuel mileage, on the interstate the milage is at the top of the specs, but less than ideal driving conditions does drop the milage down. Otherwise so far it is a great driving vehicle.
IF you want better fuel mileage. KERMA TDI has a flash you can run that will get 47mpg. The sportwagen does not get as good mileage as the sedan. Significant difference.
I averaged 43 mpg over about 40k miles on my 2010 JSW manual. I just recently bought a sedan, and i'm also seeing about 43 so far.
Mileage varies with conditions. I get between 43-52 on highway depending if fully loaded, 75+ mph, ac vs driving a little slower by myself in both 2013 manual & 2015 DSG.
I too had the moonroof leak. I have been keeping the car under a cover as there is a Redwood tree that drips sap on it. I had left it at the airport and with a large storm dumping several inches of rain. There was a couple of inches of water on the floor front passenger side. The dealership reports it was a plugged drain tube. There were 3 other cars, different models, that were in the shop for the same. VW obviously has a big problem with the drains for the huge sky roof.
Like many of you that have commented, I purchased a fixed TDI. Overall I am extremely pleased with this car. This is my 4th VW purchase. Maintenance since purchasing in 2018 has been relatively normal. Leaking sunroof repaired under warranty. No fuel delivery issues. My overall average MPG is 44.8 with a high of 60.2 on a 34 mile highway trip in August 2021. I would buy another one. EPA and VW need to find a way to re-introduce these back into the US market.
Diesel vehicles are strongly disliked by the EPA. The future of diesel in the USA looks like they are trying to push consumers and fleets away from diesel and toward electric and CNG.
It is sad because diesel is the most economical and power rich fuel we have, other "alternatives" are in their infancy and nowhere near as good.
The golden era of TDIs was in the early 2000s, very simple engines, extremely reliable and more efficient than most modern diesels with all of the emissions equipment and de-tuning.
I own a 2011 sportwagen. Solidly-made piece of equipment, can't recommend it enough.
2021 Just bought a 2014 jetta wagon tdi with 49,xxx miles for 11,500. Love the car. Also getting around 30 mpg
I see one at a local dealer... They want 14.5k for the exact same miles and year. I'll talk them down.
@@CapFlipGaming I got my private. They were asking 12k, talked them down cause of a tiny dent. Since it has such low miles its still under warranty and i wasn't worried about buying and having issues. Ive actually aleady have taken it in for a DPS fitler and had some other things wrong all taken care of for free by my local VW dealer. The VW warrantee is awesome
Your Jetta is a mk6 not 5. Anyways, the gas door release is most likely the actuator. You can buy them relatively cheap from rock auto and is relatively cheap. As far as the dsg, just make sure you keep up with the 40k service interval. As far as long term reliability there are 3 main components that fail. The dpf, egr/intake gets clogged and the cp4 high pressure fuel pumps aren’t too reliable. As far as the dpf/egr your only choice would be a delete and tune but the intake ports and cp4 pump are a little easier. Doing an oil catch can will help with carbon build up a good bit bc a lot comes from oil being sucked into the intake from the pcv system. Without an egr delete you won’t be able to completely stop soot buildup but egr soot is easier to remove then carbon buildup from oil. You could spray carbon cleaner into the intake every 10k to keep soot buildup to a minimum but will still need to pull and clean the egr valve periodically. Carbon buildup may be affecting your fuel economy as well depending on mileage and type of driving the car as done throughout its life. As far as your high pressure fuel pump, they make an adapter to install the cp3 fuel pump which is way more reliable and produces high pressures. It’ll help economy a little, reduce exhaust gas temps and makes the pump and all exhaust components more reliable. You would also need a tune to go with the cp3 fuel pump. A tune is the best thing you can do to boost economy btw. Good luck to you bud and hope the car starts to exceed your expectations as time goes on.
This guy lives in Long Beach California. There is no way he could get away with doing any deletes or tuning as the smog testing would quickly identify both and cause him endless headaches. California is not the great place it used to be, it kinda sucks now.
@@davidparker9676 welp that sucks. But if he can’t get a delete, he can do a tune which changes the dpf’s regen setting that tend to make the dpf’s more reliable. I’ve seen a bunch of research showing the benefit of hho generators on a diesel when it comes to reduced soot, build up and the dpf cooks off at a lower temperature which further increases reliability and fuel economy bc regens tend to be pretty fuel hungry. California still may be a problem in that they see any mod and they want to start ish over it. That mod may drop all emissions to 0 but how dare you modify your car without the king’s permission.
3 yrs ago I bought a 2013 Jetta Sportswagen TDI from Ole Ben Franklin Motors in Knoxville. It was picked out by a friend of mine. I went out, looked at it I thought VW??? Diesel!!! Oh hell no, (Diesel Gate) but he convinced me for a test drive. I liked it and ok I bought it as-is. $8,000 73,000 mi. Well 3 yrs later I still have it and turned out to be the best car I ever had! I put 15,000 miles on it in 3 months! Now it sits at 137,000 mi! I did very little to it, my record mileage is 57 mpg City and 67 mpg HWY. I avg 42 combined mpg. I love it so much we just bought another one just like it! 2014 $15,000 with 107,000 mi. I highly recommend one there hard to find and a Stick Shift is very rare! So now we have Twin VW Jetta Sportswagen TDI in the driveway, only difference is one is a 13 and the new one is a 14!
Where can you find these
When I bought my Alltrack I got an S model just to avoid any potential roof issues. Even with a warranty I wanted to avoid that headache.
I have a 12 golf tdi with a 6 speed manual bought three years ago CPO, I got it with 42k miles on it and shortly after that my egr / intake needed replaced then the mass airflow sensor went. The parts were all replaced under warranty I’ve got 75k miles on it now and it’s been tuned and deleted and zero issues thus far.
Looking at the same car, would you recommend?
@@Masta_E I would say if you have warranty or plan on deleting it you’d be fine just make sure to flush all fluids
@@mikemiklavic1930 I'm pretty new to upgrading cars, and I'm even newer for diesel, looking to get into it but I take it deleted is an upgrade?
@@Masta_E for long term reliability yes
only issue ive experienced on mine (2013 golf tdi ~50k miles) was a few days after it left the dealer they replaced the clutch. Not sure why but there was an ECS clutch in there that had horrible shutter. Dealer replaced it for no cost with an OEM unit and no issues since. Sort of worries me about long term and who had the car prior to me though.
Have the same issue with my fuel filler cap. I find a good punch with my palm usually releases it. Also occasionally I spray some WD-40 on the mechanism.
Yeah I've tried both approaches neither has proven effective
I was quoted 13 hours labour by my local dealership for the moonroof/sunroof leak.
I have a 3rd party extended warranty, so I'm not holding my breath that they'll cover this issue. I see some stains in the headliner that haven't changed in a year, but no actual wet spots. The dealership said the soundproofing on the floor near the firewall was water damaged.
It might be worth having it fixed one way or another. There's instructions on VW Vortex on how to clean the drains out yourself but it is a lot of work. Mine just had water pouring into the car when it rained hard outside.
i also bought a 2014 tdi sportwagen post dieselgate. I read as much as about the car as I could before buying it. The leaking sunroof was a common complaint amongst owners so I narrowed it down to cars without the roof. I am a fan of open air motoring but I already owned a Miata with a canvas top that was my fair weather go to car.
How has the car performed? Average mpg? Any mechanical issues? Looking at trading in my pickup truck for a wagon since my commute is 25 highway miles each way into Baltimore
@@chrisdougherty1466 Around town I get 36 mpg. 40 plus one a road trip. VW was obligated to warranty these dieselgate cars . I've had no issues these past three years. Good solid car.
@@gregorymurphy9980 awesome. Appreciate the feedback.
Interesting that the resale value has gone up. I have a 2014 TDI Sportwagen that’s been reliable, although not completely trouble free, as the HPFP was replaced. Not a common issue, but it does happen on occasion. Luckily, the $4,500 cost was free for me because of the extended emissions warranty. No issues with my pano sunroof yet (knock on wood). I’ve wondered, however, if I should get the sunroof drains cleaned as a preventative measure to avoid any potential leakage.
I've seen people recommend to get those moon roof drains cleaned before it starts to become as issue. Might not be a bad idea, because when it starts leaking it REALLY starts leaking.
@@CarDietrich any ideas how much that should cost? Obviously it depends on visiting a shop versus the dealer, but is it a very involved procedure that required a lot of disassembly?
I have a 2014 VW Jetta Sportwagen 6 speed manual with panoramic sunroof, no accidents 67,000 miles silver exterior with black leather interior.
Where did you purchase the extended warranty?
From the VW dealer I bought the car from
I bought a 2013 with 28,000 miles. I do 40,000 miles a year average. It now has 75,000 the DPF filter failed thank god it’s under warranty and will cost in the neighborhood of 4,000 dollars to replace. I will pay $80 but they said this will be a regular thing! Every 100,000 which is roughly every three years?? So I’m not sure if I want to keep it ……..
Is this a good daily I’m thinking about getting one
Excellent daily driver. Practical and fun to drive and good fuel economy!
13 Jetta TDI, 112K, and still going pretty good, save a deer hit that has busted front light.
Will you please tell me how to switch the mileage per trip back to the full mileage! I am so dumb and can't even locate it in the book. I also can't ever turn off the back wiper! So embarrassing..
I sold this car in 2021 so off the top of my head I don't remember how to change the mileage display, but for the rear windshield wiper move the wiper stalk (right side of the steering wheel) towards you and/or away from you, that's how you mess with that
@@CarDietrich Thank you!
What do you think a good price is for one of these? I found one with 110k miles and they’re asking $7900. It looks pretty clean. Is it a good buy?
Not enough information to say. It sounds like a fair price I have no idea about the condition or the history of the car. IF its clean and been well maintained as has a clean carfax report than yes you should probably buy it.
Just bought one with 70000 miles at $11k
2014 Passat tdi dsg. I’m averaging 38 legit mpg. Highway I get consistent 45-50 mpg easily
sedans get better mpg than Wagons.
ISSUES WITH THIS CAR.......High pressure fuel pump (HPFP) Fails randomly, FYI $9000 repair at dealer. Fix change to cp3 pump....Dual mass flywheel lasts between 150k miles and 250k miles. DSG clutches Fail average 250k miles. Easy repair while the trans is out.....Has Timing belt must be changed between 80k miles and 100k miles......To get better mileage Malone tune gets rid of that crap tune from VW and puts a tune that is even better than the original one and gets 10% better fuel economy....
Malone tune? I need to know more plz.
@@michaelsnook4170Malone stage 2. Runs even better if you delete the EGR and DPF, with a 3” straight pipe. Do not need to upgrade the clutch. Although you could upgrade to a better dual mass when necessary.
Shiiit I’m averaging 16mpg on my 2015 Silverado ... I have 2 months to look for a sportswagen tdi Not sure if to go manual 6speed or get and automatic. Or get the 2.5 gasser!
I think you could probably get better MPG overall with the 6-speed manual, but they are a little harder to find. The 2.5 is cheaper, but honestly that engine is not desirable. It's course and rough and sounds like hell and the TDI feels both faster and more refined. TDI probably has better long-term reliability too, even though its technically more complicated. If you find a really clean 2.5 with a good service history and a good price I guess go for it, but personally I would not have even considered this car with that motor.
I have a 12 Jetta 2.5 5 called. Had the sunroof leak and gas lock not opening.
Lol glad to hear I'm not alone!
@@CarDietrich I agree with you about how good the Mark 5 Jetta is. It drives like an more expensive car. Tight steering and a planted European driving feel. Interior feels almost luxury level if you have the fake leather.
My dad had a late 90s jetta tdi manual transmission that got 50ish on the highway and 40ish around town with just over 300k on the odometer. It was a great little car but it seems they have continued to over engineer the heck out of their vehicles much to the shade tree mechanics chagrin.
Good update. do you know what years for this model are recommended?
I'd say in general the newer the better. As far as the US Model Jetta SportWagen goes the 2009 models had a slightly different front fascia and radio, the 2010+ models look like this one.
@@CarDietrich thanks much
What’s a dsg
@@harrynj22 direct shift gearbox
You definitely have lower fuel economy than every other video and forum post I have seen. I wonder if the software "fix" was more aggressive on your car.
Did you sell the car or do you still have it? Any updates and new complaints or compliments?
Sold it in the summer of 2021. Overall it was a very nice car, I liked the way it drove, the practicality was great, my only complaints would be the aforementioned fuel economy and the Panroramic Moonroof, which leaked and needed to be fixed when I first got it. But I guess that leak is a common issue with these.
@@CarDietrich I am looking at a 6-speed manual, non sunroof JSW. I am doing some research before committing to buy it.
Thanks for your reply and feedback, I appreciate you taking the time to respond so quickly.
No problem. Overall they are solid cars, the major point of failure on that one would be things like fuel pumps and other things related to the direct injection system I think. But one good thing about the diesels is that the people who typically buy them (myself included) are typically more fastidious about scheduled and preventative maintenance, so hopefully you can find a good one with good service history out there.
Just bought a mint 2010 with 114k miles, only paid $4200 😁
Did it give you any issue after 114k miles
But where is the motorcycle..
HPFP fuel pump CP4 will haunt you if you dont change it to the CP3.....This repair can be catastrophic to your pocketbook. That is why they are so cheap.
How much to switch to cp3?
@@ztrippin7374 Kit from Stevenson tuning is 750 and worth it. Rebuilt euro pump not available new FYI. Correct metering valve, brackets and bolts. pully adapter. I have a 2 videos on my channel on how to do it. Not hard and makes the car totally reliable. very little other maintenance
Would I have to do this on a 2010 tdi sedan
Your fuel economy is bad only because they've fixed the car. My car hasn't been fixed and it pushes almost twice your miles per gallon. Averaging 55Mpg.
Def noticed that my fuel
Economy went down after VW fixed our Golf. But, then I deleted the emissions and got a Malone stage 2 and the mpg went back up above the original mileage
@@pzarelli75 what state do you live in that doesn't have emissions? I live in CA, so I cant delete the emissions in my diesel
@@drakekennedy2353 Washington state, clallam county
You shouldn't own diesel is you're doing 13k in two years.
I want the cheat engine tune reinstalled.
If you want to tune it there are plenty of aftermarket solutions that will probably fit your needs
2014 is a MKVI not V
In the US market (which is where I am) 2014 was the final year of the Jetta SportWagen, which was still based on the MkV Golf platform. For the 2015 model the Golf SportWagen debuted on a newer platform and replaced the Jetta SportWagen.
Sorry but you can’t really rate reliability, if you only put 13,000 in 2 years....
Delete it.