How Far Can You Drive On One Tank of Diesel? - Chevy Cruze 2.0TD vs. VW Jetta TDI
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- We set out to verify these cars' lofty highway-fuel-economy ratings-42 mpg for the Jetta, 46 for the Cruze-by driving from our Ann Arbor headquarters to the world's largest truck stop in Walcott, Iowa. After that 409-mile drive, the Jetta was still 200 miles from empty and the Cruze more than 300, so we turned around and headed for Engineered Diesel in Allendale, Michigan.
Read the full Comparison Test here: bit.ly/17jqq5E
CARS: 2014 Chevrolet Cruze 2.0TD, 2013 Volkswagen Jetta TDI - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
*Really* appreciate this comparison, this is such a time-consuming and monotonous task to execute on, but that's what makes the real-world comparison so valuable. Thanks guys!
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I have a 2011 Jetta TDI manual and have gotten 52.3 MPG from St Louis to north of Indy, a total of 305 miles. I also have a 2013 Passat TDI with a DSG and have gotten on the same route 54.3 MPG! The computer shifts smarter than I do with the manual.
I have had VWs since 77 and love them as they seem to go on forever. I sold my 2005 Jetta TDI when I learned I could sell the 8 year old car with 114,000 miles on it and still get $10,000 for it!!! The first VW that I got rid of before it went over 200.000 miles!!!
Is it true that ac will not impact much the mpg of diesel engine unlike gasoline ?.
If you take care of VWs they last a very very long time, including the Gasoline models
@@dasmuven1911 that's pretty much every car.
I assume you no longer have a Jetta TDI manual? Or did you get yours fixed? Dieselgate really messed up a lot of people.
In the sea of compact family sedans sold in North America the Cruze is a jack of all trades, but that 2.0 Diesel engine is certainly a party piece of the car. I driven it myself and the pulling power of that engine is astounding.
As a 6 year owner, it's a fabulous car once you get a new DEF tank heater, which they cover under extended warranty. Averages 53 mpg mixed driving and 45 city. It's a much better car than my old TDi. Chevy did it right and then canceled it.
@@alexnutcasio936when did they stop selling them?
this would have been better if they just put a measured amount of fuel that was the same in both cars and see which went further. this is just running two cars til they're empty
so true
Doesn’t make sense if one car has a larger tank? Sheesh
Or just given us the average mpg they got in both cars
The point to make was how many miles a full tank would go compared to what the manufacturer says they will go
I own a 2014 Chevy Cruze Diesel, and I gotta say that Chevy hit a home run with this one. My best Fuel mileage for a 25 mileage average is 62.8 MPG driving 55 MPH. At 65 MPH, I averaged 55 MPG. I can't believe how well this car is made. It has lots of acceleration and handles like a dream. I am 6' 4" and 300 lbs, and there is plenty of leg room with the very comfortable heated leather power seats. Thank you Chevy!!!
6 speed automatic
damn your fairly large
jonathan ingerson how much did you pay for it?
Amen brother!! Loving my CTD as well and it hasn't been "permanently" recalled :)
jonathan ingerson I own a 2016 Chevrolet Cruze 1LT gasoline and I am so jealous of your mileage. Right now the turbocharger has gone out causing fuel usage to go drastically up. But my warranty will fix it.
Oh, c'mon, guys. The Jetta has a 14.5 gallon tank. the Cruze has a 15.6 gallon tank. Who are you trying to kid? The proper test would be to run out of fuel, then put in the exact amounts of fuel in each tank.
Vdub Guy I've owned both. Even accounting for the extra gallon capacity the Cruze has, it still does better on highway range than the VWTDI. But, it's all academic now since neither is made anymore.
What's fascinating to me is that both of these cars were going 75 MPH, so they weren't babying them nor doing any hypermiling. Amazing. Try that in a BEV.
Damn I did the numbers and even with the bigger tank, the Cruze got 47 MPGs vs the TDIs 42 MPGs. I'm a TDI owner and I was sad that a Chevy won lol.
Allen R As I stated, my Cruze was a better TDI than the VW was a TDI. Just a better all around little diesel. And GM didn't have to cheat and did it all with a DPF and DEF tank.
@@haywoodjablome234 I have a buyback Passat and a few weeks ago drove in 100-degree heat from Los Angeles up into the mountains and over them to Bakersfield. Was doing 80 when it was clear and I wasn't bogged down in traffic, had a good 20 miles of stop and go weekend street traffic, and drove back to the city and got stuck in Saturday night traffic jams at 4 different spots. Ended up doing 43.1 mpg on the trip. Pretty impressive vehicles and engines (turbo diesel in general, not a VW-specific comment).
@@haywoodjablome234 one thing to note though, the VW TDI they tested was DPF only since DEF wasn't introduced into the Jetta until 2015 so that was a disadvantage for the numbers. The 2015 Jetta can routinely hit 50+ MPGs if you drive it right. But you're right, Chevy didn't have to cheat.
WOW..nice job.. impressed how far you guys went just to see MPG..
Cruze, 15.6 gallon tank, 747 miles=47.88MPG. Jetta 14.5 gallon tank, 617 miles=42.55MPG.
The Cruze traveled 130 more miles with only 1.1 more gallons of fuel. Even if you filled the Cruze with only 14.5 gallons of fuel, it would still have traveled farther than the Jetta. The Cruze is more efficient, the Jetta costs more to drive.
Great video fellas!
you guys helped me buy my next car thankx!
Great video!
Thanks for doing this video
I’m just bought a similar Chevy Cruze diesel, and I love it !
holy hell, that's comparable gas mileage to my motorcycle while being able to tow my bike to the track and being comfortable as hell during winter and in the rain. I think I may buy one of these cars, not sure but I'm definitely sold on diesel.
That is impressive! If i didnt love trucks so much i would definitely consider buying one of these.
So what happened when you ran out of fuel? dont you need to bleed the fluel lines of air?
I've got a 2002 VW Jetta TDI with a 5speed manual. It's been significantly modified from stock yet still gets right at 50mpg tank after tank after tank.... 345,000 miles to date with no end in sight.
My god, that's 1202.18km for the Cruze. My current car (2003 Chev Cavalier 2.2 DOHC base) gets about 465km to a tank. I gas up once every 3 weeks or so normally. That's 2.58x the fuel economy of my car. Fuel up every 7.75 weeks? sign me up.
2015 Jetta tdi. depending on where in my state I am driving and conditions ive maxed out at 59.3 mpg. the most i have gotten out of a full tank was on a 9 hour drive home from the beach, and daily driving the next week i maxed out at 55 mpg. and had to fill up at about 635 miles to the tank.
The Cruze has a bigger tank, but NO spare tire. They placed the DEF tank where the tire should be.
We have a full size alloy spare tire here
no spare tire? hmmm my 1.7 VCDI has 60 litters and normal tire in trunk
I made a roundtrip from Hialeah Gardens FL to Orlando in my 2009 Jetta TDI Sportwagen @ 70-75 mph with one single fill, 525 Miles!!!
I used to have a 2011 TDI Sportwagen and it would routinely average 46 MPH on cruise controlled, flat highway driving at 77mph and fully loaded hatch area. If I drove 65, my mpg were well above 50. Heck, even in my 2017 GLI, I get 40 mpg cruising at 72mph.
diesels are awesome ,
Being an owner of a 2014 cruze diesel, 46 mpg hwy is the least you will get with this vehicle doing 70 mph. If you drive 55-60 it will get over 50 mpg, flat roads with no wind. The fuel tank is 15 1/2 gal, but it will hold a total of 17 1/2 gal. It takes a while to stuff all that in there but diesel foams up when being pumped and takes a while to settle down. My car with a FULL tank will go 175 miles before the fuel gauge needle moves off of the full mark. I have gone 760 miles on a fill up and that is with 1 1/2 gallons still in the tank, with the low lite just starting to come on. Around 48 mpg,
Wow!!
chrs1313 Amazing. I'm really going to look into getting one!
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+chrs1313 excellent info,, but the Jetta TDI has a smaller tank then the cruze,, so no kidding that the cruze will get more miles per tank,! funny how slightly important details like this are always left out!!
those are some serious chops
You are more likely to break down in the cruze before you run out of fuel.
GOOGLE ENGINE RELIABILITY and you will see Volkswagen listed in the bottom 5. So the VW would breakdown first
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Note: People who think VW==reliable confuse me. Tons of facts to prove they are terrible
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+electrictroy2010 VW gas terrible, vw diesel dependable
+electrictroy2010 Google reliability by whom?
+gtileo I have a buddy whose owned 4 VW diesels. All 4 blew motors or transmissions before they hit 150,000 miles. Baring some minor transmission issues with the cruses, they are over all a very reliable vehicle
Matthew Kistner
Minor issues, I know someone who is on their 4th transmission in 130,000km in a cruze, They are known for their transmission and other problems, the brake piston seized up multiple times, oil cooler replaced at least 4 times also, it is so bad that resale value has taked a hit because word of mouth has gone around, and they wonder why sales have gone down, talk to people in service centres and they tell you most of the cars that they work on are the cruze and captiva, because both are poorly designed cars.
The only way for this to be really accurate is to drive the same road, Same driver, one Gallon of fuel in the tank until each car runs out.
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was it hard to start up the cars once they were completely empty? does anyone else know from experience?
I'm sold. I know what kind of car I will get next time I buy one. Thanks for the video.
The Chevrolet don't look a bad car, tbh, just people's perceptions and ignorance will always swing the VW way and makeing a higher in demand car, so holding more resale value,. But a VW is quite standard, near enough everything is an option , the base car is not much more than 5 seats and a steering wheel.
Chevy cruze diesel is damn impressive! Thanks for the real world test!
To get the diesel engine in a Cruze, one must also purchase the package that it comes with. Meaning that in order to achieve fuel savings, one must spend an additional ~$9,000, up front. And its not available with a manual gearbox.
Congratulations, once again, GM for mucking up what could be a beautiful thing.
Hint, Chevy: if you offered a base model (possibly with a sporty suspension/brake package) with the diesel and a manual, you'd probably SELL ALOT MORE!
idriwzrd American companies rarely make manual cars of any sort anymore. Too many lazy people in the USA and Canada. Even most European and Japanese car companies are opting for automatics these days.
Give it 10 years, there will be no more manual cars in mass production (which is very sad)
+Brent Mifsud it has nothing to do with lazy ya moron! its just what people want!!! get over it! wipe your eyes and move on girly man !
+idriwzrd YEAH lets get sporty with a fucking fuel economy car! yeah! Go get a Comaro or a Vette you goober.
I can't want an economical car that also is fun to drive? Besides, manuals are more fuel efficient that autos.
+idriwzrd if it's sporty, it isn't fuel efficient.
Meaningless comparison. The range depends on the fuel tank volume. You don't have to drive all the way like this. Next comparison test is comparing the length of a railway track by measuring one after another.
Does the Cruze also use a dual clutch transmission?
Does the cruz come in a manual trans ! That's the comparison I want to see
I have a 2012 tdi Jetta I've topped it off at 14.5 gallons. I went from Dallas tx (east tx) to Amarillo (west tx) and back I did roughly 700 miles I still had a quarter tank left when I made it home I drove to work for the whole week on that I ended up pumping when the low fuel light came on which was around 780 miles pretty close to the 800. I could've gotten more but I drive in rush hour traffic on the way to and from work. 6 speed Manuel btw. I'm averaging around 60mpgs right now on the hwy.
SKYLINERAIDER08 you're full of shit too......
Which one is reliable for daily driver?
Good examples. Goes to show how incredibly tiny both cars are. (Note: I have a 2000 Jetta TDI.)
On a 2003 Jetta Wagon, if you do the Ventectomy and fill to the top of the filler neck, you will have 17 gallons in the tank. When the low fuel light comes on, you have 1.9 gallons left.
Nice review. Was it 75 mph + a/c all the way. What's the average speed
1:04 Can anybody tell me what that device is stuck on the windshield?
fixed course with full tank and same gas station hose; but I do like this demo of it!
The Cruze has a larger fuel capacity so it only makes sense that it will go farther. Did you test the vehicles with the same amount of fuel?
please explain which car does it, I have Tested all cars and the torque kick is best in Jetta and in slow speed say 20-30 mph if we need an overtake we can do it in Jetta if we are in 4th gear itself, but all other cars downshift is required, thats when I started noticing the Jettas turbo is the earliest to kick in, all other cars, even Fords TDCi will take around 2000 rpm to have full 236 ft pound, jetta needs just 1750 revs, so its much faster in gear accelarations
just let us know your mileage, car year, and any service record
Almost 750 miles on one full tank of diesel for a Chevy Cruze is a great record. Way to go, lad!
I didn't hear what the gas tank capacities are, are they the same?
Guys, it's my understanding that running out of fuel on a Diesel is bad for the engine. Something about how lubrication is done by the engine itself?
i have 1.7CDTI and computer tells it can do 1120 km fully tanked. I think its huge.
Its a Great Engine Based on a Isuzu Design But Improved / Enhanced By GM .
My BMW 116D (1.6 Liter Diesel) 2013 did 600 miles from 13 gallons (i don't let it run dry).
I have 118k miles on my 2014 Cruze diesel. It has averaged slightly over 44 mpg. No issues other than preventive maintainance, oil changes, tires etc. It is just now finally needing a brake job. The original Hankook tires went 75k. Going to try for 150K then who knows??
Would have been nice if you had talked about what MPG you reached with each car.
when did rod farva start doing reviews?
Did they make the fuel tank smaller in the 2013 Jetta's? My record in my 2010 Jetta TDI was 640 miles, and that was in mixed driving. One thing to consider, after about 10K miles the TDI's mileage increases greatly, during break in its a bit disappointing. I liked my Jetta so much I traded up for a Passat TDI, wonderful car! While I like the Cruze, its a bit too small for my taste. We need Ford to make a Fusion diesel, that would be sweet!
what happens when a car runs out of gas? do the engines start to sputter and then stop?
My beetle TDI 55 litre tank gets between 700 and 835 km to the tank. It's odd because the amount of shit ripping I do with it doesn't seem relative to the fuel economy
The 2006 Jetta TDI that I have averages 46 - 49 mpg. I wonder if the older 1.9 L TDI engine is a bit more fuel efficient. Mileage is tied to air temperature I note in my TDI. Optimal is 60 degrees for my Jetta. When temperatures climb to 90 degrees, mileage might be 44-45 mpg.
Some guys claim 60+mpg with the older ALH engines. This is possible with a retune on the newer ones also.
any way you can show the trip meter........i know these cars give crazy mpg but still.....show me the number at least.
That range....like a boss....
What size were the tanks on the cruze and jetta tested?
Chris Loomis The Jetta has a 14.5 gallon tank and the Cruze has a 15.6 gallon tank. Those numbers are both for the 2015 models.
out of interest is this the U.S. survey mile or the International Mile?
How comfortable is the Jetta? It looks cramped for the driver.
2015 Jetta TDI SEL 6spd Manual. BP Diesel (13.7 gallons). All highway trip with A/C on. Best I got was 700miles with 40 left on range. Somewhere around 50mpg.
So....what was the observed MPG?
My record with my Jetta TDI is 63.5, but I average around 55. It is an EA288 with a 6 speed btw
Little wonder Chevy called it the Cruze - cruse all day none stop at 75mph and I mean literally all day with an average 10 hours between sunrise and sunset!
are you referring to Motortrend?
Fuel tank size does not compensate for engine/vehicle quality
Agreed
At least these guys are entertaining lol. Great to see both cars crush their theoretical ranges!
Vw Passat tdi with 800 miles of highway range enters the chat
I'll take the Jetta. It's got proven technology by people who have been building small economical diesels for decades, and it'll last forever. As far as the cost of fixing it, it's pretty much on par with everything else including the chevy
+Jacksonkellyfreak Chevys usually last long as fuck also and the chevys technology is probably just as good. GM does work with nasa
+GriiffixPVP "gm is actually Americas only company even being compared to other companies out of the u.s. why?"
He's exactly right. Chevy is making waves worldwide with their fiesta st, focus st, focus rs, mustang 350........wait a minute.
And why does GM help out the US Gov't? Because GM owes the US gov't after they kept them from going bankrupt.
+Jacksonkellyfreak what do you drive?
+Jacksonkellyfreak Everyone has their good and bad with both companies. I bought a 2000 TDi brand new. It was delivered with a defective instrument cluster. It took 14 visits to get the bad from factory fuel injection pump replaced (went more than 10 months with a frequent misfire and despite the pump screaming, the dealerships couldn't figure out what was wrong). At less than 50K miles, the turbo failed, which is a very common occurrence on this vintage. Between the power window motor failing multiple times, and cheap coatings on interior panels coming off, and the other mentioned repairs, it had been in the shop for almost 2 months during my 2 years of ownership, and would have cost me more than $8,000 dollars for the repairs if I had to pay for them.
I replaced it with a 2002 Chevrolet TrailBlazer. I'm now at 196,000 with the original powertrain, save the rear axle. Repairs in and out of pocket have been less than 2K, which is extremely reasonable for the vehicle. In all, including owning a fair amount of imports - a '00 Nissan Maxima, a '97 Toyota Camry, a '99 Mazda 626 (wife's), an '81 VW Rabbit Diesel, and an '84 VW Jetta Turbo Diesel, the TrailBlazer has been by far the best, and most reliable vehicle I've owned. Yes, it gets terrible fuel economy in comparison, but I knew that it would.
I'll never, ever own a VW again, even if they hadn't made the mistake of the century with their "clean" diesel.
Doug Goodwin
I'm the opposite. I would never in my life own, drive or even work on a gm product. Everyone I've ever known that bought one has literally had nothing but problems out of them. I owned ONE, and it was the worst automotive mistake I ever made. it had 70 something thousand on it when it puked its rods out. Had clean oil in it, didn't burn or leak any, showed full on the stick. Never got an oil pressure warning. Just bang clatter clatter. Piece of shit. But my Jetta, which isn't diesel, has been one of the best trouble free cars I've ever owned. 185k and has only needed maintenance and I just did the timing chains on it, but they were the factory set. I probably would buy another VW, but I would definitely own another Toyota, and as much as I HATE and despise American cars, believe it or not I would consider another Ford diesel truck.
Would you guys try the new equinox diesel
Ikuraga I did, as a prospective replacement for the Cruze CTD. It's nice SUV ( now canceled for 2020 with the diesel) , but boy was it slow. 0-60 was a Prius like 10.5 seconds. Almost laughable.
"Diesel's slow march to mainstream acceptability" welp, that kinda backfired didn't it.
so I noticed both had automatics... I know the Jetta has a manual option but does the Cruze? I sure as hell hope so.
I've done my own analysis with my 2002 tdi automatic trans at 85 mph with the ac on burning fuel from Kroger 46 mph all day
Long 62 miles to work so 124 total fuel was cheaper at speedway at 20 cents a gallon got 42 mpg on 2 fill ups .
I drive a 2003 Jetta TDI with over 250,000 km (165,000 mi). I use Fuchs synthetic oil and vent on long trips. I have a 55 litre tank and typically get 1150 KM or better before a fill. One trip I got a little over 1200 km (746 miles) before I filled up ...
Should have mentioned I live in Canada and the temp outside is currently -40C/-40 F ... the Jetta is stored in an unheated garage and I have never had a starting problem. Replaced the glow plugs once under warranty though. I also don't use any diesel stabilizer ...
Thought it was an alright video, long term mpg is what i'm waiting for on the cruze, and its a new contender, so who knows what might ale it. I own a 2003 VW jetta TDI and normally get between 820-850 miles on 16 gallons. I have also upgraded the injectors, stage 2 clutch, solid mass flywheel, stage 3 tune. (doubled the hp and tq) and i am still consistently getting the same fuel mileage. 200,700 + miles and running strong. GO VW! :-P
Wow. that's impressive range. :-)
So, as I thought, Chevy Cruze for the win! I have driven extensively in a a Cruze 2.0TD and it is by far the nicest of all Cruzes and has a very premium ride and feel to it. I will be buying one instead of a Jetta TDI as I had originally planned.
I've seen 829 miles from a tank of fuel with my Chevy Cruise diesel.
My Chevy diesel has 114k miles on it and mechanicaly nothing has failed...it's the emission system with the sensors and the Def fluid going bad that has been a issue for me....when the car detects the Def fluid quialty not up to spec it shuts the car down with speed restrictions and within like 200 miles the car won't go over 4mph.
If I had known that the EPA mandates that the car be shut down for low quialty Def fluid I would never had bought a diesel...when everything is right the diesel is great..good torque snd great fuel mileage...but the emission system is the weak point with diesels
Official gaz tank sizes?
I love all the Jetta fanboys crying about the 1.1 gallons extra the cruze got. Do you really think 1.1 gallons of extra fuel made the Cruze get over 130 miles more than the Jetta? Do the math fanboys.
You must be stupid, its not on how far the tank of fuel gets you but at how far you could drive per gallon, the vw tdi is still in a class of its own.
that's amazing!!!
I personally prefer the VW. (full disclosure, I own a 2012 GTI, 6 spd)
The Cruze does have a bigger tank by 1.1 gallons. But if you apply 3rd or 4th grade math you would divide the miles traveled by the amount of gallons used. I apologize if the exact numbers are off.
Cruze 747 miles / 15.6 = 47.88 mpg Jetta 609 miles / 14.5 = 42 mpg
So even if the Jetta had an extra 1.1 gallons to equal the size tank the Cruze had, it would only run about 655.62 miles until it ran out.
That science sponsored by Woodlawn elementary school. Again...I own a VW GTI. So the argument about the bigger tank evening things out is invalid.
DavEnzoF1 finally, a little math and the voice of reason in this thread. Fact is, the Cruze got 5 mpg better on this test than the VW. Fact!
I routinely got more than 50 mpg on my 2010 Mk 6 Golf TDI in mixed driving, and just got close to 50 mpg on my (new to me, over three-years-old Mk7 Golf TDI) that I just bought, on the 40 miles mixed highway, city, and stop-and-go drive home. I don't care whether I can get 600 or 700 miles per tank, as long as I can get 50 to 55 mpg average ... :)
I think its a good test, even if something has less MPG, a larger tank means more range, which is an important factor, how often you go to fill up should be considered when buying a car... Yeah no question I'd go with the lower range Jetta in a heart beat, but still
At 1:08 he has his shirt off 😂😂
jaymz Reschke i seen that 😂😂
A genuine doubt, how is a hybrid car serviced , what all parts are changed and within how many miles are the services made? Also if you have driven a Hybrid is it almost as powerful as a regular gasoline car or is it much less powerful, havent driven a hybrid yet other than Prius, whcih is painfully slow, but howsVolt and C-Max and Civic Hybrid?
Because of its nearly 2 gallon larger fuel tank? Fuel tank size means nothing. They still said the Jetta was better in the magazine article and on their website.
But the Diesel has been proven to last way longer
which one releases small particles and increases smog?
max19731978 the VW does. It cost VW group $33 billion because of that.
I just bought an awesome little 2002 VW Jetta TDI and I am amazed....I have only put 200 miles on it this week and isn't down to 3/4 of a tank on the gauge yet !
FRIGGIN AMAZING !
My mom's regular gas engine Eco Cruze will do that.
My mechanic buddy has a Geo Metro that will get in the 50 plus MPG. The VW is real nice until it has to be fixed, the price for parts is outrageous.
Jason Somers When I started dating my ex-wife, which was in 1989, she had a one year old Honda CRX. It had a 4-cylinder engine and a 5 speed manual. It would get 50+ mpg on the highway. To get that kind of mileage now, you either need a diesel or a hybrid. What the hell is going on here. You would think that we should be able to do even better now than we could in 88 or 89.
LK Campbell Did she do the calculations herself or was that the rated number?
that was just what we observed during long trips.
Not really well you must be poor.
If you drive a Ford you must be pretty loaded because your fixing that thing all the time.
The parts are manufactured in Korea by the old Daewoo plant that was taken over by General Motors. Although parts are mixed and matched with European counterparts. I believe the manual Cruze's have a Swedish transmission. Here in Australia they are only assembled, NOT made. For the most part they are Korean cars....
I would still buy a vw. even though this review is bullshit
Interesting comparison but it's mute now that I've just discovered the the 2.0 Diesel in the Cruze also has a timing belt. What is the fascination with belts in this context? I mean seriously.. does it save manufacturers THAT much money to use belts instead of chains? Is there some super magical mechanical reason why they can't put a chain on a small diesel? I mean.. the lowly 1.5 liter 4 cylinder in Toyotas utilizes a timing chain. I've also heard some really stupid BS excuses as to why belts are supposedly better than chains like belts are quieter.. bunk! A properly implemented timing chain along with durable chain guides and good tensioners will last just about forever and is NOT noiser than a belt. FACT is it cost slightly more to manufacture the chain parts (along with cutting the chain properly for quiet running) and ~that~ is the real reason for the use of belts... period. The bean counters and suits feel it's ok to pass that off to consumers instead of selling the reliability of a chain. Fine.. I just won't buy it. Lots of hybrid options out there that have NO belts at all! Manufacturers.. please stuff timing belts. This is the 21st century and after having so much bad luck with timing belts in the past? I don't want to have ANYTHING to do with them in the future. I also don't mind paying a little extra for the car if that is what is really required to not have a frikken belt. :) Thanks!
I can't seem to find anything in googling as to why that is the case. It is also what keeps me away from all small diesels. Also dual-mass flywheels, high pressure fuel pumps, and just VERY POOR diesel fuels in the US. VW is blaming owners when the high pressure fuel pump goes bad. The only thing that might change my mind, is a VW TDI Tiguan 4motion, if it hits the US and is below 28,000 dollars...which I highly doubt. Last I had heard, Mazda was going to be bringing the US a CX-5 diesel with timing chain. I don't plan to hold my breath for that to become a reality. Every other manufacturer has diesels, we just never get them in the US...it's bullsh*t(Kia, Subaru, Mitsubishi).
GM will cut costs any possible way that they can. Even in lieu of quality and safety.
belts are quieter and are much easier and cheaper to replace. chains wear out too and they have tensioners that can go bad. i wouldnt mind either one, if you go to a decent shop, its not very expensive for a belt job. i got a 2005 accord v6 timing belt/pump/tensioners/pulleys all replaced with OEM parts for 700 bucks at 130k miles. you cant assume that just because it has a chain it will last forever. (although they last much longer usually)
A belt is the owner's responsibility should it snap, a chain is the manufacturer's(if under warranty). If your engine is like mine, the chain is sandwiched between the transmission and the motor. So the entire engine/transmission must be hoisted from the car. I'd opt to buy a new car, rather than have a chain replaced due to that cost. If that were a belt...the car would be garbage. There are vehicles(not common) with gears, rather than chain or belt, it's a manufacturing choice based on greed. Don't make excuses for bad engineering.
sometimes they will use belts as part of a "gram strategy" to knock the car to a lower weight class. Yes, it is just ounces, but if they fall into a lower weight class they get government breaks, or at least they used to
I have a 2006 Jetta TDI and its a fun car to drive with the manual transmission. Cruze diesel must get a manual too. That's a deal breaker for me. Here's hoping that Chevy will go after the diesel enthusiasts as well as the mass market.
Running diesels empty is a good way to damage the high pressure pump. Very expensive.
So which one actually got the best mpg?
+Swagin McFaggins If you look at the link of the actual review, its the Cruze and that's with proper emission control...
Mazada 6 Diesel will not require urea?!