the one grinch quote that makes me cry like a baby was the "It came without ribbons. It came without tags. It came without packages, boxes, or bags. And he puzzled, and puzzled, until his puzzler was sore. Then the grinch thought of something he hadn't before. What if Christmas, he thought, doesn't come from a store. What if perhaps Christmas means a little bit more."
That, and the part where all the Whos still start singing make me cry. Because to me, Christmas isn't about religion, nor is it about commercialism and stuff. Christmas doesn't need gifts and trees, those are just traditions that help people enjoy the holiday and communicate the true meaning of Christmas: unity. Christmas means something different to everyone, of course, but to me it's about people coming together in happiness, respect, and appreciation for each other, regardless of any differences they may have. That's why the Christmas Truce of 1914 is still one of my favorite, most inspiring historical moments ever. When many, many people on opposing sides of the First World War decided to stop fighting and stop trying to kill each other for a day, and instead cross No Man's Land to shake hands, tell stories, play ball, and have a smoke together. All because it was Christmas Day. A lot of them had to be pulled out and relocated the next day because they had formed a bond and no longer wanted to fight each other. We are all people, and we all have our differences. But just for one day, we can all come together and hold hands in the spirit of the holidays, without prejudice or hate. That's why Christmas is, and probably always will be my favorite holiday.
It's funny, my mom looked/acted exactly like the principal when I was a kid. To the point where if you would have told me she played the roll, I would've believed you. My mom is a narcissist, and is just controlling, manipulative and angry. I always loved the scene where the kids chase her out of the school at the end of the movie.
@@CinemaTherapyShow Ha, for what it's worth, I also found the channel just a day ago, and I seriously would be interested in a writing job, if that was at all a serious remark. (I've been trying to get one of those for a very long time now.) Ah, well. You're doing a great job as it is.
I actually really appreciate that y'all considered the 'noisy neighbour' aspect and how that affected the Grinch. I have severe misophonia and the people I live with are extremely inconsiderate of that. As a result, I have panic attacks often and my quality of life is garbage. In this context, it's not so bad because it's one day in the year and they celebrate mainly in the day, whereas the people I room with make noise from early in the morning to really late at night, seven days a week. That being said, it does highlight that perhaps your grumpy neighbours that 'ruin your fun' are just people with their own needs.
I would say tho that the "grumpy neighbor" can be extremely unreasonable in the amount of quiet they demand. I had a neighbor who called the park management because i had a birthday party in my own yard and the child guests were being loud (I guess) We weren't playing music at all let alone blasting it, and it was from like 2-5 or something... the only thing that was slightly noisy were My 7 and 5 year old cousins playing outside and possibly being slightly rambunctious. SERIOUSLY?! If you have such an issue with noise that you can't handle 2 children playing outside for 3 hours for one day do everyone including yourself a favor and go move to a cabin in the middle of nowhere.
I understand your pain, it hurts that the people I love can't be more gentle because they thing it's something I have to learn to live with without suffering 🤕
As someone with misophonia too i completely understand, and it has also further ruined my relationships with people due to how spiteful and anxious it makes me
Fun fact: the guy who sings "you're a mean one" was the original voice actor for Tony the Tiger, so now just imagine Tony the Tiger everytime you hear it lol
In case you were curious, his name is Thurle Ravenscroft. He had a ton of roles over his decades of voice work, many of which were uncredited. But his timbre is unmistakable :)
I work retail and I've came to hate Christmas, due to the materialism, how entitled people act, and to put on the 'Christmas spirit' i don't have at work. I have become the figurative Grinch and it kinda helps to remind me that it isn't all about that.
“I am sure I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round as a good time: a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time: the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys.” Charles Dickens I try to live it from this perspective for my own peace of mind...
I feel ya, it's already starting too. The screaming children, adult tantrums and the GLITTER. It helps to pick out the nice customers day to day, and realize that everyone's stressed, even more this year. That said, I do wear my 'Bah Humbug' sweater with a little too much pride on ugly sweater day.
Me too but from other reasons. I have a lot of bad memories from past Christmas evenings so now I came to really hate it. I freak out when the girls in my class start singing Christmas songs (like they start from November wtf?) But I’ve tried (well I still try and kinda fail but anyway) to accept the fact that I have these memories and not all people should be affected from it. People can enjoy whatever the fuck they want, right?
Man that sucks. I always try to be nice to retail workers, but I will especially this year. People really need to realize that retail workers are people too, even if you don’t see them later.
Now you have to do the Jim Carry one so that Allen can break down why it's not a good movie... Cause I love it, and so many others do too. It's his calling to educate us. Lol
Please do it. I argue it's better than the original in parts. It builds on what this starts. It's not just the Grinch who learns the lesson, it's the citizens of whoville too. I love the acting and the way it comes across. How can you not feel. "I just wanted everybody to be together for Christmas." And the whole scene where Cindy Lu's father stands up for her against the mayor and slaps the message of the film in his face. And the ending where she tells the Grinch his cheek is warm before singing. Like, how can you not feel at that? 😢
Fun fact: This story is something Dr. Seuss based on himself-- he was 53 at the time and very cranky over the excitement and noise of Christmas (hence the line "Why for 53 years I've put up with it now"). But he came around and realized the sentimentality behind it, so he wrote a book about the lesson he learned. Dr. Seuss was the grinch.
I think the Jim Carrey Grinch has a fantastic message about materialism. "I want a pony so I can ride it twice, get bored, and sell it to make glue!" Also the scene where he rips the tablecloth out from under all the stuff and then comes back and knocks it off is like Napoleon Dynamite style comedy 🤣
Reasons people love How the Grinch Stole Christmas: 1) It's Dr. Seuss. Our parents read his books to many of us when we were small, and they were among the first books we read by ourselves. His poetry was distinctive, as were his illustrations, and he knew how to make things easy to read without being dull. We associate him with happy parts of our childhoods. 2) The Grinch himself is sort of funny. So is the song. BTW, the singer was Thurl Ravenscroft, who was the original voice of Tony the Tiger in the Frosted Flakes commercials ("They're Grrrrrrrreat!"). 3) Even in 1966 people complained about the commercialization of Christmas. The story makes it clear (without an explicit religious message) that Christmas isn't about material things. It's a good message, not just for children but for everyone.
I will add because of Chuck Jones, the director. He came from the world of Looney Tunes and his visual style and humor add a lot too it. Dr Seuss wrote the lyrics for the Grinch song.
So I'm a fan of the Jim Carey version, while not particularly a fan of most of Jim Carey's film work or that cinematic style of humor. When I watch movies more than once, I'm always thinking about the background stuff that's not on the screen, e.g. the Grinch gets everything through the trash, including the dog, who he kept, and didn't eat or let die; baby Grinch's basic needs are completely failed that first night in the tree, in the cold, completely alone. I'm on board with the consumer focused Whoville as a jab at a modern audience.
I noticed that the Grinch was a bit more abusive to Max in the 1966 cartoon than in the 2000 movie. In the original he seemed to take his anger about the Whos towards his dog. He didn't in the 2000 movie. The worst that the Grinch did to Max in the movie was that Max was forced to have Mayor May Who kiss his butt!
Duuuuude Thankyou for bringing up Carrey’s. I also think this film is one of the final survivors of the CGI war. I loooooove the theatrical props, prosthetics, set. They really made a production and stayed off the green screen. Prob one of the last movies of its kind to do so!
“Maybe my perception isn’t the reality, it’s just a perception”. That singlehandedly sums up the overarching message/theme of the special, and I think it’s the key to why the special has remained a timeless favorite for so many throughout the years. It’s a mainstay for a reason ❤
I love it because of the fact that acceptance, forgiveness, and welcome are the morals of the story. Also, I LOVE Max the dog! You almost had to think the Grinch had some good in him because Max seemed to love him.
As someone who is non-Christain and born outside of America, Christmas was never a big deal. I first found out about How the Grinch Stole Christmas in 2nd grade and every time I watch it, it still makes me cry. It's just so wholesome. It shows the true values of the holidays without ever being preachy compared to something like A Christmas Carol.
@@Stettafire it's not preachy. It's literally depicting a culture of people and era in time where Christianity was the dominant religion and belief. And everyone prayed. The movie doesn't tell you you Have to be Christian. And it's literally 2 or 3 scenes. Out of an entire novel/movies.
The one lesson in this movie that stands out the most (at least for me) is "people can change. They just have to have the chance to do so." The original Grinch movie is one of the few Christmas movies that conveys this lesson without truly forcing it. Yes the movie revolves around the main character changing to be a better "person" but the change is allowed to occur naturally, instead of having the change being brought on by a plot device that the film makers threw in simply for the sake of moving the story forward a bit more quickly. Which is something that I absolutely love.
Personally, I thought this movie was about my FIL, who, every year, got drunk and waved the carving knife around while singing " We wish you a merry horse $###..." to his terrified children. After all, why should anyone be merry and joyful if I can't? It's all about me!!!" Right?
Lol "If people took the time out to understand each other", also "People like the Jim Carrey version of the Grinch?" Sir, he needed torture training to play the Grinch, we respect that movie, at the very least around these parts.
I was thinking the same thing. I can't speak for the movie itself as I have not seen it in quite a while, but man... the things Jim Carrey went through for that role...
I thought Jim Carrey's Grinch held the same message very well, and I deffo related to his character as someone who was ostracized as a child, even from my friends eventually.
I remember watching this movie when I was younger and almost crying because of the way the Grich treated Max. He was nothing but loving and supportive and deserved better. I don't even think he got an apology, poor puppy
As a kid I wasn't paying much attention to that part. But now as an adult I just feel bad for Max. Especially when the Grinch made him pull that sleigh filled with the Christmas decorations!
I was watching the Jim Carey version with a friend once and they pointed out that Max was probably a discarded Christmas gift, since most of their gifts end up at the dump with the grinch. Otherwise where did he get Max and why would he keep him?
I’m not a fan because of all the rude humor and raunchy jokes. I recently realized why I don’t like a lot of adaptations of stuff like the grinch or the live action scoobydoo. It’s the way they force in crude adult jokes as if adults couldn’t possibly like it if there wasn’t a man making out with a dog’s butthole or enough burp and fart jokes to put you off your popcorn. I love the original grinch and the original scooby doo and they didn’t have any of that. It was a legitimately good story. The only exceptionI’ve found so far is the new jiumanji movie which was legitimately funny. The only scene that I really felt was ‘rude’ was the peeing scene and I think it legitimately added something to the movie rather than just being shoved in for forced laughter. I see why people like these movies but I also understand why therapist reacts doesn’t
Truthfully I do not think the story needs the charicters to be "deep". Their are two things a charicter can be. They can be a person or they can be a stand in for a thought. Kind of like the paragon heroes in old myths. They are not writen as a "real character" but as a personification of an idea. A lot of Dr. Suse's writting intentionaly has the charicters left vague so they can represent an idea instead of the circumstances of a individual. Personaly I think that by giving the grinch a standard back story it striped a lot of the meaning of the original by giving the grinch a "good reason" to hate the town. The line where it points out that his hate could be because of his shoes being to small or his head not being screwed on right is their because the personal circumstances of the grinch do not mater. What really matters is that this mindset he is in has limited his capacity for love. You do not always have to be brutily bullyed to let anger trap you. I mean how many times have you co templated punching something because someone is eating in a quiet room? Or how many people have you seen loose it in the starbucks line because it is taking a while and take it out on the staff? Whether they are doing it because they have had a horible life or because their shoes are uncomfortable is something we will never know and it does not matter. What maters is that if we are the towns people in the situation that we do not let others anger prevent our joy from shining and if we are the grinch in the situation that we not let our anger (justified or not) contort us into someone who actively tries to hurt others. By trying to deepen the individual charicters I think the original message is obscured by how we feel twords the charicter. Now in all fairness the live action movie completely gutted the origninal meaning and instead focoused on a "consumerism is bad" message... which would have been fine if they compleetely did their own film instead of trying to pass it off as a "adaptation" of a clasic.
While I love the Jim Carrey version, I can understand why others are put off by it; the movie has a lot of raunchy humor for something based off of a children's book (for very young children no less), the appearance for the Whos are unsettling (impressive as they are, Dr. Seuss designs are MUCH better on paper than in real life), and for me personally, I can't get over the little issue of having Cindy Lou Who be the "sympathizer" to the Grinch, but ultimately NOT able to recognize him through his piss-poor Santa disguise (cause, like, she's seen him in person, she knows how he acts and sounds, yet still sincerely believed that figure with green-furred hands was Santa and not the Grinch?) And funny thing with regards to the depth, I actually thought the same for a long time: that the Jim Carrey version was better since it gave the Grinch a reason to hate Christmas. But then I read up what motivated Dr. Seuss to write the original story, and it turned out that the Grinch was based off of *himself*: a cynical man who lived on a hill overlooking a town/city that actively celebrated Christmas, and him despising them for it. So, that revelation at least made me see the original Grinch story in new light: that of an isolated grump who hates something he doesn't understand and tries to ruin it to make everyone miserable just like himself. While the Jim Carrey version is more of a criticism on the commercialization of Christmas, which makes the holiday more about the presents and decorations than "goodwill towards men"
I've always loved the music, Boris Karloff's narration and mood creation. And his personification of the Grinch. And Thurl Ravenscroft's bass voice. And the off-key singing of one who. The whole story is a version of _A Christmas Carol_ without the ghosts: redemption and the beauty of a change of heart. And if course, Dr. Seuss.
@@LA_HA It _is!_ It's _A Christmas Carol_ from the perspective of Bob Cratchitt (sp?) _A Christmas Carol_ (I almost said _A Christmas Story!_ ) has been done and redone through the ages from direct retellings to subtler retellings like the Grinch. It's a timeless story.
@@ginnyjollykidd Wow. I honestly never considered it was told from a particular character's point of view. I simply thought it was a thematic thing, where original characters were going through the Dickens story in another way So, George is an original character who is being taken on this past through future journey by Clarence the Angel instead of having three ghosts showing him different parts of his life. Plus, George isn't in the time stream we're being shown because he wasn't born, per his wish. He's just seeing how important One Good Person makes in the lives around them because he can't see it while he's busy living said life. So, as you see, I was viewing it from the thematic point of view instead of a straight alignment with the familiar Dickens story. But, I really like your idea, too
It just hit me after all these years of watching this every year. The Who’s capacity for accepting and enjoying an “imperfect” Christmas is why they are able to welcome an imperfect grinch with open arms and a seat at the table. I remember the first time I ever saw this grinch. I was probably 3 or so and I remember sitting on my favorite blanket with a dog that looked very much like Max right beside me. How appropriate that Max is consistently modeling loving accepting behavior for the grinch and towards the grinch while the grinch doesn’t even notice. Dogs are so awesome. 🥰
This whole theme of the Whos coming together Christmas moring despite not having presents and ornaments is the one gripe I have with Klaus from Netflix, they had the chance to show growth in the adults by having them console their children for not getting presents and maybe even encourage their kids to gift some of the toys they had gotten before to their neighbors... Genuine growth and maturity... and they blew it... I still love everything else about that movie, though... Awesome videos, btw!
Since the movie is for kids, I think its cool that they show mature kids. Like hey, this an example of a child who is still grateful for what they have, be like that. Not some scene of Calliou like kids throwing a tantrum- that would be annoying.
I just wanted to share my 2 cents about Alan's question as to why the Grinch has stood the test of time so well. I think a big part of it is definitely how universal it is. Regardless who you are and where you came from, the sentiment can translate seamlessly. What you perceive of something isn't how it always is and as the guys said so well, giving someone who loves that thing the patience and respect to understand from their perspective and learn from it can really make all the difference. Another part I believe and in the spirit of Christmas is just how materialistic things (like what the Grinch stole) isn't what's most important. So for families who maybe couldn't afford or maybe even didn't celebrate extravagant parties under the name of a holiday could talk about this story and what being together truly means. It's a little corny but I think that's something to be said. I'm just having so much fun discovering this channel as a new sub. My only complaint is that the videos themselves aren't an hour long each. Everything they say is so insightful and interesting and I can't get enough. I'm so excited for this channel to gain even more traction and get the recognition it deserves. Keep it up guys! Absolutely adore your work!!
There's something timeless and charming about hand-drawn animation that gives it a longevity not really seen in other movies imo. There are many great classic movies from over the years that are not animated, of course, but watching one of these feels like watching an old movie, whereas watching an old hand-drawn animated movie just feels like watching a movie, no matter when it was made. There's also a lot of nostalgia wrapped in The Grinch as most of us grew up watching it every year at Christmas and it has become part of our Christmas traditions. The words and messages are still meaningful and relevant, and unlike many modern movies it's jokes have nothing to do with pop culture and therefore are not as prone to age poorly. Also, I disagree that the songs are goofy, I think they're absolutely iconic (and You're a Mean One absolutely slaps). So yeah, that's why I think The Grinch is such a classic.
Can totally relate to the horror fans being incredibly sweet people. One of my best friends is the sweetest person and the movies she loves are so so scary!!
To answer your question: everyone feels like an outlier. The social creatures we are, we want to be included. Universal representation there. At the same time, everyone loves a redemption story. If the Grinch who did really bad things and we're told is inherently evil can be redeemed and forgiven, then it must be possible for us to be redeemed and forgiven as well. Also "Mean One" is a killer song.
When I was in year one, we did the grinch as our school play and I played the grinch. The headmaster told my parents "a star is born". Twelve years later, I'm eighteen and I still do out-of-school acting.
I believe, doing the speaking voice of the Grinch was Boris Karloff, who came out of retirement to do it. As someone else mentioned, the man who did the singing voice was Thurl Ravenscroft, also the voice of Tony the Tiger. :)
It’s a classic because everyone’s the grinch sometimes! We just need to remember to broaden our views, and along the way there’s great songs and animation!
I think it's just a perfect blend of mischief and heartwarming. We get to laugh at the mustache twirling villainy while also getting touching moments at just the right moments.
I really like the Benedict Cumberbatch version; it did a good job of addressing how the holidays aren't happy for everyone (those who have bad experiences associated with that time of year, those who feel lonely, those who are overworked) and actually was a good interpretation/retelling of the original. Love the original though 😊 also I don't know what it is about the sound design in the original, but it's So good/satisfying.
I watch this one every year because it's just so wholesome. My Grandmother loved it. She passed this year so it makes me cry and smile at the same time.
I re-watch this classic each year because Chuck Jones was such a gifted artist, it is so faithful to the book (Dr. Suess was involved in the creation), Boris Karloff, and Tony the Tiger singing that great song-it's perfect. Really liked the deep dive into Dr. Suess's message.
This channel is amazing. It feels like sitting with very well-adjusted friends as they appreciate art. I've done a deep dive and viewed the other channels as well. Great job guys!
I don't know about my kids, but I've always loved the Grinch because it showed someone who was alone, angry and bitter learning how to be open the love and care of other. His little encounter with Cindy Lou was very evident of that. She wasn't angry at "Santa" (before the explanation) for trying to stealing their tree and she was quite sweet about being sent back to bed about Santa. Then we have all the Whoville citizens. He saw himself how they weren't sad (especially Cindy Lou) and realized it wasn't about the noise, the food or the presents. Jono said it best at the end. No matter how much I wring myself out to prep for the holidays, being together and the enjoyment is always what tells me how much it is worth it because it's not just me enjoying it or appreciating it. The best parts have always been the time together and love shared.
For me, thee reason The Grinch Who Stole Christmas is deeply personal because I have learned through personal tragedy that not only is the joy of Christmas isn't dependant on pretty packages, it's not even dependant on being with the people we love. This year marked my 26th Christmas without my late husband Tim, who died as a result of another pandemic. In 1995, he died at the age of 31 from the leading cause of death in his age group in the United States, AIDS. It hasn't been easy being apart from him, especially at Christmas, his favorite time of year. However, in some ways, Christmas seems to bring him closer because I remember the Christmas memories we made together. So, even without Tim, Christmas came this year, "somehow it came just the same."
THE CHRISTMAS MIRACLE IS JOHN'S BRAIN!!!! But I still love this movie. I relate to how much Christmas gets so difficult to separate from the materialistic culture around it and Grinch helps remind me why I like it.
@Naomi tehe A sensory processing disorder causes your brain to not process sensory input correctly, which mostly means you have a bunch of hyper- or hyposensetivities. One of the most noticable symptoms is a hypersensetivity to sound. In this sepecific example the whos don't experience their noise level as troublesome, even the dog doesn't seem to be all that bothered by it, yet the grinch's brain can't filter that input correctly and to him it feels like they are banging his head instead of the drums. (I really hope this makes sense and isn't to simplyfied.)
Alan is surprised there are fans of the live action Grinch and I'm shocked that there are people who aren't. If I want to watch Grinch, that's the version I'm watching, I wouldn't even consider watching either of the other versions. This version is the one I grew up with first but that's the one I think of as the classic and true version
I'm surprised they didn't mention the transition at 3:10 and how it uses the color and shape of his pupils and the door knobs to direct the viewer's attention to the same spot that the kids enter the scene
Another group who are very sweet and friendly despite the intensity of what they like, are people who are into like death metal or just heavy metal. Super nice and kind people, and it's because they get their rage and aggression out through the music, this high intensity, screaming music acts a lot like primal scream therapy, and it really shows
I feel like the scene with the grinch talking about noise noise noise (when taken by itself) can also be related to sensory issues if that makes sense.
I also do not like horror. I find the best way to justify the existance of the live action version of the movie is to think of it as being like the alien from "The Thing". Thus I have catigorized it as a horror film and run from the room when it is on.... the other "adaptations" of the great Dr. Get the same treatment.
@@melissacooper4282 I get why you would think that way but I think the horrors in the world are part of the reason horror as a Genre is so well loved. In a way you learn to deal with terrible situations when watching a horror movie or reading a book and it can make the every day horrors seem less bad. I also feel like all the pain characters go through makes the payoff in the end when the evil is defeated feel much more impactful. That's why I mostly dislike horror films that don't have any sort of happy ending.
Same I’m way too sensitive to anything remotely scary - freaks me out way too much. I tried watching their reviews/analysis of some thrillers/horrors and couldn’t stand it
I love this movie and watch it every year because it's message that Christmas is not about stuff. It's much more. There is also a huge nostalgia movie. In the 80s this came on CBS right before Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer (Frosty the Snowman came on before the Grinch) and that was a huge seasonal event at my house. The whole family would watch it together with snacks and popcorn. Being a typical 1980s latch key kid family time was an event.
The way Jono said to talk to people about loving things and maybe you'll appreciate it too is one great way to deal with things you dislike. Another is to live and let live - maybe I don't get why you enjoy tattoos, but I don't have to. It's not MY decision how you live your life, it's YOURS, and the tattoos aren't hurting anybody. So ok, you do your thing, I'll do mine.
I've also heard a saying that 'I don't wish you ill I just don't want to dine at the same table anymore.' It's one I apply to people in my life who I have tried to love but have left nothing but hurt in their path. It's my way of wishing them well and moving on. Also the Grinch's relationship with that Max is totally mother Gothal and Rapunzel. I think I watch this movie because it gives me hope that no matter how rotten somebody is they have the potential to change even if that's not always true in real life.
hill house literally sparked my absolute love for horror bc it deals with such human issues in a supernatural way. welcome to night vale also does that, and i recommend you take a listen if you like hill house sometime, it's great :)
I definitely watch this cartoon every year, and every I read up when he says "maybe Christmas perhaps, means a little bit more." It's just so sweet and gets to the heart of why we love holidays. Combine that with nostalgia and it's irresistible!
As someone who doesn't walk the same religious path as you and as a horror fan, I wanted to let you know I really appreciated your groundedness and acceptance in this video. You guys are my new favorite channel, I've really been digging these videos, your humor, and your mental-health related approach. Also, your doggy. 🐶❤
My roommate doesn't at all understand why I like villains like Loki. She thinks I'm crazy, but it's really because I love redemption stories and characters like him are so easy for me to redeem in my writing.
Yes, I am one of those Jim Carrey Grinch fans... and if I had to say what I liked about it was one: Jim Carrey being a zany goof (which is often a fun time) and that the message was that Christmas shouldn't be commercial. And it introduced me to Taylor Momsen, who is a lovely pop-rock singer.
I'm genuinely shocked that Alan doesn't like Jim Carrey's version! Or not that he doesn't like it, that he seems to dislike it. It's legit one of my favourites. The dialogue is brilliant and I love Jim's performance.
My favorite story is probably "A Christmas Carol" by Charles Dickens. This story, much like that story, is about the theme "A person can change. A life can be made right." That's why I love 💘 them ^_^.
That’s why in all those Rankin Bass claymation Christmas specials one of my favorite characters is the Winter Warlock, and his song Put One Foot in Front of the Other.
I think when you grow up with something, like the Grinch who stole Christmas, you gain a love of the nostalgia that viewing it again brings. Suddenly, I am six years old again in the living room with my mom and dad watching it and just waiting until Christmas day.
We watched the Netflix Grinch and saw it through the eyes of our autistic son. A community perceives someone that doesn’t think, feel the same as them needs to be fixed, they chase him through the streets to force him to be like them. My son found that scene quite confronting. The resolution of the movie is that the thing that makes him different is magically fixed and then he can be accepted in the community as ‘normal’ like everyone one else.
as a fan of horror, I can say I get the greatest enjoyment from doing exactly what you guys do on this channel. evaluating the psychology of the heroes, villains, and victims; what made them that way, how they got to where they are and more so evaluating the inner self and what makes me the same or different from the various "bad guys".
Perception is something my therapist mentioned in our sessions, and “trying on different lenses” to see the world through. It really helped a lot. Thank you for your videos, guys! You have yourselves a new subscriber.
I loved Thurl Ravenscroft belting out "Young A Mean One". (And then there was the time I was reading a biopsy report on an operation I had... and some how it slipped into that tune and that voice, but the words of the biopsy... talk about a cultural tick...)
I love this movie because I grew up poor. I enjoyed getting presents like any kid, but I like that this movie shows that Christmas is about togetherness above all else.
Never fails to amaze me how touched I feel listening to these guys. It's like having all the answers to all my questions descending directly into my soul. I may not need a therapists to function and feel joy, but now I'm thinking maybe I just want a therapist to function better and feel extra joy!
I had to have a conversation like this with my mom. She used to go all over the Texas Panhandle, ranging over 100 miles, sometimes to graveyards near ghost towns, decorating the graves of relatives, some of which died even before she was born. When she got too infirm to do it by herself, she asked me to drive her around, getting the decorations, and decorating the graves before Memorial Day. Before. Memorial Day. Then she got where she couldn't go with me and wanted me to do it for her. I didn't mind doing ones that I knew, but even then it had to be BEFORE Memorial Day. And she was always super specific about who got which decorations. One year I was sick of doing it and I said, "Look mom. If you want me to do this, you need to tell me why it's so important to you, because it's too much." She told me that it was her Grandmother's tradition to get out and decorate all the graves before Memorial Day so that the family could look better than everybody else because their graves were already done when the town went to the cemetery. So I said, "You mean this is three generations of trying to be better than the other clucking hens?" And I told her I would do the ones in her hometown that year and that in the future, she would gave to get someone else to do it.
I don’t know if in this film but in the new ones it highlights how his past impacts his view. I would love y’all to talk about a new version or a different film that highlights that. Would love your take on that
When I was little, I looked forward to watching this movie on TV, it was and still is such a classic. And I have never watched the Jim Carrey version all the way through cause he just freaks me out. Earlier this year, I had done some research on some Tim Burton movies (not my favorite genre) to know what they were about so if it came up in conversation, I could contribute. And I have a cousin who's really into darker stuff and horror movies. So once, when she was visiting, I was asking her what she was into and what darker movies she liked, and because I had done research on the subject, I had knowledge of the stuff she was into, like "Corpse Bride."
Then I P considered something he hadn't before. Maybe Christmas movies don't come from a Netflix store: maybe Grinch movies, perhaps, mean a little bit more.
It is tradition every Christmas to watch the 1966 Grinch movie because I've watched it every year for as long as I can remember. My dad introduced it to me and we still watch it together today.
Never seen 1966 Grinch, but I love the 2001 Grinch. I think I love it because it grounds everyone during the season. Christmas has been so commercialised that everyone forgets the basic message (apart from the religious aspect) that it's a time for cheer, family, friends and love. It's the one time in the year everyone tries to see everyone, no matter if its the only time they see them people will put in every effort because it's that time to do it. The Grinch embodies that message, take away the commercial aspect and what's left? The people you love and the time to celebrate having them in your life and being grateful for it.
Just found this channel, been watching all day (thanks lockdown) and now, I'm about to stop, and see this was just posted. You guys are awesome. I already forgot which video but one comment you made already is being applied to help my own writing. Looking forward to many more!
@@CinemaTherapyShow Didnt say what it was. Too excited to watch the video. "The only way to not feel pain is to not feel love." Ooh. That was exactly the insight I needed. Thanks for the entertainment, and thanks for the insight.
As an atheist myself, I hope the Holidays treat everyone well this year and respect your side of the table of reality in terms of beliefs. Also you would like James Rolfe. He loves horror but he's by all means the nicest person you'll meet and he plays AVGN.
TW . . I've been on and off breaking down for months. Relapsed today. Coming to your videos for comfort, seeing as I have literally no one to talk to. Love you guys.
this movie shows the simplicity of life an how I can see good in everyone and they gather and remember that they see what they have, no what they don't. they look who's heart changed and they see him now, not what he was. you give what you get.
At the beginning, The Grinch is obviously broken. He seems to have suffered abuse, abandonment, and is alone with nobody that he can talk to and get feedback from. He is angry, and might have sound-related SPD. When he steals the Who's Christmas, he expects to hear crying and see sorrow or despair. His realization that his reality isn't the real one is profound and healing.
This one is so beloved because of its simple and direct message about the generous love that is the heart of our modern day Christmas traditions. The story is about that generosity and love. the grinch is the vehicle by which we arrive at that moral and truth. Because of the simplicity the story is able to gut punch us with this beautiful truth and hit us more powerfully. That’s why it’s a favorite. People who think the other versions are better haven’t seen a good version of a Christmas carol and so find themselves still hungry for a character driven version of this morality tale.
We have all hated Christmas at one time or another. It is frustrating when it seems that the point is gifts, stuff, and decorations. When the Grinch learns it isn't about "stuff," I relearn this with him. My little heart grows with his. So many Christmas times after a death or loss, I have missed the person that is gone. I get Grinchy. This movie reminds me to celebrate those who are still with me, and spend a moment grieving, and let that Grinch go.
When he brought up the perception of different things, my first thought was youtube and how my parents see it vs. how I see it. My parents see it as a bunch of lazy college dropouts and adults using their children for content where youtube for me became my home, my safe haven and they hated that and tried to get me away from it as fast as they could. They're always quick to beat it down but I try to defend the good side of it like how people use it to raise money for charity and raise awareness about psychological problems like this channel and so on but they never seem to listen. They're hardened in their perception and it sucks having to be around someone who won't change their mind for you but you're expected to try to get yourself into what they like and see the world how they see it
That was the most clever transition into an ad/promotion that I've ever seen! Love what your channel does, and I love learning about psychology and growing as a person myself from your content. Keep up the great work!
Personally offended you don’t like the Jim Carrey Grinch, that thing is a masterpiece! The theming of the set, the beautifully done prosthetics, Martha May Whovier!? Come onnn
I thought the Jim Carrey version defeated the entire point of the story, that the Whos are so pure of heart that they give the Grinch faith in humanity. The Whos in the live action movie are absolutely awful people who gave the Grinch good reason to hate them.
It seems to me that most people at some time during the holidays feel outside the holiday spirit. It hits home because you can feel that way and still come back to the spirit of the holiday.
I loved this growing up. How could you not mention Boris Karloff's name(the original Frankenstein)? His amazing voice performance is one of the main reasons it was so successful. " Well in Whoville they say, that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day." tears me up everytime. I teach preschool in Japan and just finished a week winter school theme on the Grinch. Love it!
the one grinch quote that makes me cry like a baby was the "It came without ribbons. It came without tags. It came without packages, boxes, or bags. And he puzzled, and puzzled, until his puzzler was sore. Then the grinch thought of something he hadn't before. What if Christmas, he thought, doesn't come from a store. What if perhaps Christmas means a little bit more."
Damn 😢❤
I always cry at that part. It's why this version of How the Grinch Stole Christmas will always be my favorite.
Oh, that's beautiful
wow what words can do to you ❤
That, and the part where all the Whos still start singing make me cry. Because to me, Christmas isn't about religion, nor is it about commercialism and stuff. Christmas doesn't need gifts and trees, those are just traditions that help people enjoy the holiday and communicate the true meaning of Christmas: unity. Christmas means something different to everyone, of course, but to me it's about people coming together in happiness, respect, and appreciation for each other, regardless of any differences they may have.
That's why the Christmas Truce of 1914 is still one of my favorite, most inspiring historical moments ever. When many, many people on opposing sides of the First World War decided to stop fighting and stop trying to kill each other for a day, and instead cross No Man's Land to shake hands, tell stories, play ball, and have a smoke together. All because it was Christmas Day. A lot of them had to be pulled out and relocated the next day because they had formed a bond and no longer wanted to fight each other.
We are all people, and we all have our differences. But just for one day, we can all come together and hold hands in the spirit of the holidays, without prejudice or hate. That's why Christmas is, and probably always will be my favorite holiday.
Please do Matilda next! There’s great examples of narcissistic abuse in that one
Yes! It’s my favourite comfort movie !
When I was a kid I was obsessed with that movie. I would always compare myself to Matilda and she was my hero.
Maltida is bomb
I always dreamed about having a Miss Honey in my life as a kid.
It's funny, my mom looked/acted exactly like the principal when I was a kid. To the point where if you would have told me she played the roll, I would've believed you.
My mom is a narcissist, and is just controlling, manipulative and angry. I always loved the scene where the kids chase her out of the school at the end of the movie.
What a missed opportunity to have the whole episode in rhyme!
SHOOT!!! Want a job?
@@CinemaTherapyShow Wow, just found your channel literally like two days ago and you already are offering me a job? You guys are the best!
@@CinemaTherapyShow Ha, for what it's worth, I also found the channel just a day ago, and I seriously would be interested in a writing job, if that was at all a serious remark. (I've been trying to get one of those for a very long time now.) Ah, well. You're doing a great job as it is.
The Nostalgia Critic did his whole review of the Jim Carrey film in rhyme and it's awesome.
@@CinemaTherapyShow Hi, I really enjoy all your videos. Can y'all react to Grey Gardens (2009)?
Interestingly enough, Dr Seuss wrote the grinch as commentary against capitalism and the commercialization of the holidays.
It's also about his experience with UVA
@@leighmartin9187
University of Virginia?
Huh?
I've got nothing against capitalism, but the commercialization of the holidays is horrible and has only gotten worse since this was written.
I love that his critique of capitalism ends with him giving all their shit back
@@Krendall2I’ve got a problem with both!
I actually really appreciate that y'all considered the 'noisy neighbour' aspect and how that affected the Grinch. I have severe misophonia and the people I live with are extremely inconsiderate of that. As a result, I have panic attacks often and my quality of life is garbage. In this context, it's not so bad because it's one day in the year and they celebrate mainly in the day, whereas the people I room with make noise from early in the morning to really late at night, seven days a week. That being said, it does highlight that perhaps your grumpy neighbours that 'ruin your fun' are just people with their own needs.
I would say tho that the "grumpy neighbor" can be extremely unreasonable in the amount of quiet they demand. I had a neighbor who called the park management because i had a birthday party in my own yard and the child guests were being loud (I guess) We weren't playing music at all let alone blasting it, and it was from like 2-5 or something... the only thing that was slightly noisy were My 7 and 5 year old cousins playing outside and possibly being slightly rambunctious. SERIOUSLY?! If you have such an issue with noise that you can't handle 2 children playing outside for 3 hours for one day do everyone including yourself a favor and go move to a cabin in the middle of nowhere.
In our current economy, is it even guaranteed that they can afford to move?
@@aaron2891 Not the point. You exercise patience. Compromise goes both ways.
I understand your pain, it hurts that the people I love can't be more gentle because they thing it's something I have to learn to live with without suffering 🤕
As someone with misophonia too i completely understand, and it has also further ruined my relationships with people due to how spiteful and anxious it makes me
Fun fact: the guy who sings "you're a mean one" was the original voice actor for Tony the Tiger, so now just imagine Tony the Tiger everytime you hear it lol
You're not in deep until you start finding Grinch/Tony the Tiger fanfic and fanart.
@@DarkestElemental616 why am I not surprised lol
In case you were curious, his name is Thurle Ravenscroft. He had a ton of roles over his decades of voice work, many of which were uncredited. But his timbre is unmistakable :)
Ravenscroft also did the narration for Disneyland’s Haunted Mansion!
@@DarkestElemental616 That's all Gaud's fault XD, they are the instigator
I work retail and I've came to hate Christmas, due to the materialism, how entitled people act, and to put on the 'Christmas spirit' i don't have at work. I have become the figurative Grinch and it kinda helps to remind me that it isn't all about that.
“I am sure I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round as a good time: a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time: the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys.” Charles Dickens
I try to live it from this perspective for my own peace of mind...
I feel ya, it's already starting too. The screaming children, adult tantrums and the GLITTER. It helps to pick out the nice customers day to day, and realize that everyone's stressed, even more this year.
That said, I do wear my 'Bah Humbug' sweater with a little too much pride on ugly sweater day.
@@Killer_Turnip Glitter is EVIL. I’m amazed my poor bathtub isn’t coated in it because Santa dropped a Christmas bomb
Me too but from other reasons. I have a lot of bad memories from past Christmas evenings so now I came to really hate it. I freak out when the girls in my class start singing Christmas songs (like they start from November wtf?) But I’ve tried (well I still try and kinda fail but anyway) to accept the fact that I have these memories and not all people should be affected from it. People can enjoy whatever the fuck they want, right?
Man that sucks. I always try to be nice to retail workers, but I will especially this year. People really need to realize that retail workers are people too, even if you don’t see them later.
Now you have to do the Jim Carry one so that Allen can break down why it's not a good movie... Cause I love it, and so many others do too. It's his calling to educate us. Lol
For real I love that movie! I went back and watched it to see if it would still make me laugh and it did!
I second this!
Please do it. I argue it's better than the original in parts. It builds on what this starts. It's not just the Grinch who learns the lesson, it's the citizens of whoville too. I love the acting and the way it comes across. How can you not feel. "I just wanted everybody to be together for Christmas." And the whole scene where Cindy Lu's father stands up for her against the mayor and slaps the message of the film in his face. And the ending where she tells the Grinch his cheek is warm before singing. Like, how can you not feel at that? 😢
Yeah my mom thought id be scared of it, but i think cindy lou helped me not be afraid. That one and james and the giant peach were my favorites.
I really don’t think the Carrey version is bad. It’s simply a more satirical take on the story.
Fun fact: This story is something Dr. Seuss based on himself-- he was 53 at the time and very cranky over the excitement and noise of Christmas (hence the line "Why for 53 years I've put up with it now"). But he came around and realized the sentimentality behind it, so he wrote a book about the lesson he learned. Dr. Seuss was the grinch.
That's fascinating
I think the Jim Carrey Grinch has a fantastic message about materialism. "I want a pony so I can ride it twice, get bored, and sell it to make glue!"
Also the scene where he rips the tablecloth out from under all the stuff and then comes back and knocks it off is like Napoleon Dynamite style comedy 🤣
Reasons people love How the Grinch Stole Christmas:
1) It's Dr. Seuss. Our parents read his books to many of us when we were small, and they were among the first books we read by ourselves. His poetry was distinctive, as were his illustrations, and he knew how to make things easy to read without being dull. We associate him with happy parts of our childhoods.
2) The Grinch himself is sort of funny. So is the song. BTW, the singer was Thurl Ravenscroft, who was the original voice of Tony the Tiger in the Frosted Flakes commercials ("They're Grrrrrrrreat!").
3) Even in 1966 people complained about the commercialization of Christmas. The story makes it clear (without an explicit religious message) that Christmas isn't about material things. It's a good message, not just for children but for everyone.
I will add because of Chuck Jones, the director. He came from the world of Looney Tunes and his visual style and humor add a lot too it. Dr Seuss wrote the lyrics for the Grinch song.
Can you guys do the show: Avatar: The Last Airbender? I feel it's themes really fit the channel.
Yesss i love that show!!!!
I third this notion
Yes!!!!
Oh yeah. Their interpretation of the damage that not loving your children can do. Yikes.
YES
So I'm a fan of the Jim Carey version, while not particularly a fan of most of Jim Carey's film work or that cinematic style of humor. When I watch movies more than once, I'm always thinking about the background stuff that's not on the screen, e.g. the Grinch gets everything through the trash, including the dog, who he kept, and didn't eat or let die; baby Grinch's basic needs are completely failed that first night in the tree, in the cold, completely alone. I'm on board with the consumer focused Whoville as a jab at a modern audience.
I love that movie !!
That dog ♥
Love that film litterly made my childhood
I noticed that the Grinch was a bit more abusive to Max in the 1966 cartoon than in the 2000 movie. In the original he seemed to take his anger about the Whos towards his dog. He didn't in the 2000 movie. The worst that the Grinch did to Max in the movie was that Max was forced to have Mayor May Who kiss his butt!
Duuuuude Thankyou for bringing up Carrey’s. I also think this film is one of the final survivors of the CGI war. I loooooove the theatrical props, prosthetics, set. They really made a production and stayed off the green screen. Prob one of the last movies of its kind to do so!
“Maybe my perception isn’t the reality, it’s just a perception”. That singlehandedly sums up the overarching message/theme of the special, and I think it’s the key to why the special has remained a timeless favorite for so many throughout the years. It’s a mainstay for a reason ❤
I love it because of the fact that acceptance, forgiveness, and welcome are the morals of the story. Also, I LOVE Max the dog! You almost had to think the Grinch had some good in him because Max seemed to love him.
Yeah, we don't really know much about the Grinch outside of the Christmas season. He might be a laugh riot around Halloween.
"There are fans of the Jim Carrey version?"
*Markiplier will remember that*
*Martha May Whovier will remember too*
We are huge fans
As you can see
For Jim Carey is the best
Grinch, that was or ever will be 😂😂
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When it came out in theaters, I went to see it twice in one day cause I loved it so much lol
What the heck, I don’t think I ever realized that The Grinch’s eyes turn blue at that part of the movie
Yeah that was weird
@SARA PERKINS his eyes aren’t brown in the beginning though. They start as red.
And his smile becomes a heart.
They actually change back and forth after that point. I think it’s a continuity problem tho.
I noticed it before they even said it 😂
As someone who is non-Christain and born outside of America, Christmas was never a big deal. I first found out about How the Grinch Stole Christmas in 2nd grade and every time I watch it, it still makes me cry. It's just so wholesome. It shows the true values of the holidays without ever being preachy compared to something like A Christmas Carol.
I’m curious what part of a Christmas Carol seems preachy to you? Just curious :)
@@heididavison816 There is a whole bit where the characters are praying. The film is very religious overall
@@Stettafire it's not preachy. It's literally depicting a culture of people and era in time where Christianity was the dominant religion and belief. And everyone prayed. The movie doesn't tell you you Have to be Christian. And it's literally 2 or 3 scenes. Out of an entire novel/movies.
if you don't like the Christmas carol you might have just watched the wrong adaption, i suggest the Muppet Christmas carol.
@@Stettafire
Well, Christmas is a holy day to honor the Nativity of Jesus Christ. So there's that.
Not a Christian? Do not celebrate.
The one lesson in this movie that stands out the most (at least for me) is "people can change. They just have to have the chance to do so." The original Grinch movie is one of the few Christmas movies that conveys this lesson without truly forcing it. Yes the movie revolves around the main character changing to be a better "person" but the change is allowed to occur naturally, instead of having the change being brought on by a plot device that the film makers threw in simply for the sake of moving the story forward a bit more quickly. Which is something that I absolutely love.
Personally, I thought this movie was about my FIL, who, every year, got drunk and waved the carving knife around while singing " We wish you a merry horse $###..." to his terrified children. After all, why should anyone be merry and joyful if I can't? It's all about me!!!" Right?
Lol "If people took the time out to understand each other", also "People like the Jim Carrey version of the Grinch?" Sir, he needed torture training to play the Grinch, we respect that movie, at the very least around these parts.
I was thinking the same thing. I can't speak for the movie itself as I have not seen it in quite a while, but man... the things Jim Carrey went through for that role...
Yep, Jim Carrey's Grinch is just iconic. Like I've never watched the original before this video, but Jim Carrey made me love the Grinch
I thought Jim Carrey's Grinch held the same message very well, and I deffo related to his character as someone who was ostracized as a child, even from my friends eventually.
To be fair, just because Alan questioned the existence of a fan base of the 2000 film doesn’t mean he is incapable of understanding it.
I remember watching this movie when I was younger and almost crying because of the way the Grich treated Max. He was nothing but loving and supportive and deserved better. I don't even think he got an apology, poor puppy
As a kid I wasn't paying much attention to that part. But now as an adult I just feel bad for Max. Especially when the Grinch made him pull that sleigh filled with the Christmas decorations!
But he saved the dog at the end and the dog saved him. Max is the prime example of unconditional love.
I was watching the Jim Carey version with a friend once and they pointed out that Max was probably a discarded Christmas gift, since most of their gifts end up at the dump with the grinch. Otherwise where did he get Max and why would he keep him?
@carlee - In the newest Cumberbatch version, Max is not treated quite as badly, though there is still lots of room for improvement.
Just discovered this channel through your Tangled video. Really loving what you guys are doing!
Me too! Except for me it was the Inside Out video
@@teddythespringer8117 same!
Same
Same.
Same for me!
I’m surprised they don’t like the Jim Carry version more. The character had more depth. He wasn’t bad for the sake of being bad.
Jonathan here. I liked it more than Alan did. But then, being a filmmaker himself, he's got a more critical eye than I do when it comes to the craft.
I’m not a fan because of all the rude humor and raunchy jokes. I recently realized why I don’t like a lot of adaptations of stuff like the grinch or the live action scoobydoo. It’s the way they force in crude adult jokes as if adults couldn’t possibly like it if there wasn’t a man making out with a dog’s butthole or enough burp and fart jokes to put you off your popcorn. I love the original grinch and the original scooby doo and they didn’t have any of that. It was a legitimately good story. The only exceptionI’ve found so far is the new jiumanji movie which was legitimately funny. The only scene that I really felt was ‘rude’ was the peeing scene and I think it legitimately added something to the movie rather than just being shoved in for forced laughter. I see why people like these movies but I also understand why therapist reacts doesn’t
Truthfully I do not think the story needs the charicters to be "deep". Their are two things a charicter can be. They can be a person or they can be a stand in for a thought. Kind of like the paragon heroes in old myths. They are not writen as a "real character" but as a personification of an idea. A lot of Dr. Suse's writting intentionaly has the charicters left vague so they can represent an idea instead of the circumstances of a individual. Personaly I think that by giving the grinch a standard back story it striped a lot of the meaning of the original by giving the grinch a "good reason" to hate the town. The line where it points out that his hate could be because of his shoes being to small or his head not being screwed on right is their because the personal circumstances of the grinch do not mater. What really matters is that this mindset he is in has limited his capacity for love. You do not always have to be brutily bullyed to let anger trap you. I mean how many times have you co templated punching something because someone is eating in a quiet room? Or how many people have you seen loose it in the starbucks line because it is taking a while and take it out on the staff? Whether they are doing it because they have had a horible life or because their shoes are uncomfortable is something we will never know and it does not matter. What maters is that if we are the towns people in the situation that we do not let others anger prevent our joy from shining and if we are the grinch in the situation that we not let our anger (justified or not) contort us into someone who actively tries to hurt others. By trying to deepen the individual charicters I think the original message is obscured by how we feel twords the charicter. Now in all fairness the live action movie completely gutted the origninal meaning and instead focoused on a "consumerism is bad" message... which would have been fine if they compleetely did their own film instead of trying to pass it off as a "adaptation" of a clasic.
While I love the Jim Carrey version, I can understand why others are put off by it; the movie has a lot of raunchy humor for something based off of a children's book (for very young children no less), the appearance for the Whos are unsettling (impressive as they are, Dr. Seuss designs are MUCH better on paper than in real life), and for me personally, I can't get over the little issue of having Cindy Lou Who be the "sympathizer" to the Grinch, but ultimately NOT able to recognize him through his piss-poor Santa disguise (cause, like, she's seen him in person, she knows how he acts and sounds, yet still sincerely believed that figure with green-furred hands was Santa and not the Grinch?)
And funny thing with regards to the depth, I actually thought the same for a long time: that the Jim Carrey version was better since it gave the Grinch a reason to hate Christmas. But then I read up what motivated Dr. Seuss to write the original story, and it turned out that the Grinch was based off of *himself*: a cynical man who lived on a hill overlooking a town/city that actively celebrated Christmas, and him despising them for it. So, that revelation at least made me see the original Grinch story in new light: that of an isolated grump who hates something he doesn't understand and tries to ruin it to make everyone miserable just like himself. While the Jim Carrey version is more of a criticism on the commercialization of Christmas, which makes the holiday more about the presents and decorations than "goodwill towards men"
@@susanresha8107 I agree but my thoughts were in reference to what the channel is about.
I've always loved the music, Boris Karloff's narration and mood creation. And his personification of the Grinch. And Thurl Ravenscroft's bass voice. And the off-key singing of one who.
The whole story is a version of _A Christmas Carol_ without the ghosts: redemption and the beauty of a change of heart.
And if course, Dr. Seuss.
Ginny Jolly: I thought It's A Wonderful Life was a version of A Christmas Carol. haha
@@LA_HA
It _is!_ It's _A Christmas Carol_ from the perspective of Bob Cratchitt (sp?)
_A Christmas Carol_ (I almost said _A Christmas Story!_ ) has been done and redone through the ages from direct retellings to subtler retellings like the Grinch. It's a timeless story.
@@ginnyjollykidd Wow. I honestly never considered it was told from a particular character's point of view.
I simply thought it was a thematic thing, where original characters were going through the Dickens story in another way
So, George is an original character who is being taken on this past through future journey by Clarence the Angel instead of having three ghosts showing him different parts of his life.
Plus, George isn't in the time stream we're being shown because he wasn't born, per his wish. He's just seeing how important One Good Person makes in the lives around them because he can't see it while he's busy living said life.
So, as you see, I was viewing it from the thematic point of view instead of a straight alignment with the familiar Dickens story.
But, I really like your idea, too
It just hit me after all these years of watching this every year. The Who’s capacity for accepting and enjoying an “imperfect” Christmas is why they are able to welcome an imperfect grinch with open arms and a seat at the table.
I remember the first time I ever saw this grinch. I was probably 3 or so and I remember sitting on my favorite blanket with a dog that looked very much like Max right beside me.
How appropriate that Max is consistently modeling loving accepting behavior for the grinch and towards the grinch while the grinch doesn’t even notice. Dogs are so awesome. 🥰
This whole theme of the Whos coming together Christmas moring despite not having presents and ornaments is the one gripe I have with Klaus from Netflix, they had the chance to show growth in the adults by having them console their children for not getting presents and maybe even encourage their kids to gift some of the toys they had gotten before to their neighbors... Genuine growth and maturity... and they blew it... I still love everything else about that movie, though...
Awesome videos, btw!
Since the movie is for kids, I think its cool that they show mature kids. Like hey, this an example of a child who is still grateful for what they have, be like that. Not some scene of Calliou like kids throwing a tantrum- that would be annoying.
I just wanted to share my 2 cents about Alan's question as to why the Grinch has stood the test of time so well. I think a big part of it is definitely how universal it is. Regardless who you are and where you came from, the sentiment can translate seamlessly. What you perceive of something isn't how it always is and as the guys said so well, giving someone who loves that thing the patience and respect to understand from their perspective and learn from it can really make all the difference.
Another part I believe and in the spirit of Christmas is just how materialistic things (like what the Grinch stole) isn't what's most important. So for families who maybe couldn't afford or maybe even didn't celebrate extravagant parties under the name of a holiday
could talk about this story and what being together truly means. It's a little corny but I think that's something to be said.
I'm just having so much fun discovering this channel as a new sub. My only complaint is that the videos themselves aren't an hour long each. Everything they say is so insightful and interesting and I can't get enough. I'm so excited for this channel to gain even more traction and get the recognition it deserves. Keep it up guys! Absolutely adore your work!!
If you do something about the Grinch and Max's relationship, don't forget to include "Halloween is Grinch Night" as part of your analysis!
HOW did I not know of this existing!?
I just watched it, it definitely makes the grinch out to be more of a menace then just hating Christmas.
Oh that was a great movie
Are there fans of the Jim Carrey Grinch?
Yes. And I will confirm we are more than passionate.
That man sacrificed sanity.
He did that before the Grinch movie though - The Mask was pretty insane. And that time he crawled out of a rhino's ass.
@@kaldogorath WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN
@@possums154 Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls
@@kaldogorath holy shit
@@possums154 You watched it?
There's something timeless and charming about hand-drawn animation that gives it a longevity not really seen in other movies imo. There are many great classic movies from over the years that are not animated, of course, but watching one of these feels like watching an old movie, whereas watching an old hand-drawn animated movie just feels like watching a movie, no matter when it was made. There's also a lot of nostalgia wrapped in The Grinch as most of us grew up watching it every year at Christmas and it has become part of our Christmas traditions. The words and messages are still meaningful and relevant, and unlike many modern movies it's jokes have nothing to do with pop culture and therefore are not as prone to age poorly. Also, I disagree that the songs are goofy, I think they're absolutely iconic (and You're a Mean One absolutely slaps). So yeah, that's why I think The Grinch is such a classic.
The songs are NOT goofy. They are amazing
Could you guys PLEASE react to "Rise of the Guardians"? I would love for you to analyze Jack
Oh my gosh yes!!
I like that idea.
Yes, please!
Yes Please!
Yessss omg that's an amazing idea
Can totally relate to the horror fans being incredibly sweet people. One of my best friends is the sweetest person and the movies she loves are so so scary!!
To answer your question: everyone feels like an outlier. The social creatures we are, we want to be included. Universal representation there.
At the same time, everyone loves a redemption story. If the Grinch who did really bad things and we're told is inherently evil can be redeemed and forgiven, then it must be possible for us to be redeemed and forgiven as well.
Also "Mean One" is a killer song.
When I was in year one, we did the grinch as our school play and I played the grinch. The headmaster told my parents "a star is born". Twelve years later, I'm eighteen and I still do out-of-school acting.
I believe, doing the speaking voice of the Grinch was Boris Karloff, who came out of retirement to do it. As someone else mentioned, the man who did the singing voice was Thurl Ravenscroft, also the voice of Tony the Tiger. :)
“The themes are so strong and the songs are so goofy”
You answered your own question.
It’s a classic because everyone’s the grinch sometimes! We just need to remember to broaden our views, and along the way there’s great songs and animation!
I think it's just a perfect blend of mischief and heartwarming. We get to laugh at the mustache twirling villainy while also getting touching moments at just the right moments.
I really like the Benedict Cumberbatch version; it did a good job of addressing how the holidays aren't happy for everyone (those who have bad experiences associated with that time of year, those who feel lonely, those who are overworked) and actually was a good interpretation/retelling of the original. Love the original though 😊 also I don't know what it is about the sound design in the original, but it's So good/satisfying.
I watch this one every year because it's just so wholesome. My Grandmother loved it. She passed this year so it makes me cry and smile at the same time.
I re-watch this classic each year because Chuck Jones was such a gifted artist, it is so faithful to the book (Dr. Suess was involved in the creation), Boris Karloff, and Tony the Tiger singing that great song-it's perfect. Really liked the deep dive into Dr. Suess's message.
I love that Film Theory said the poor Grinch hates Christmas all because he has misophonia. Such a fascinating and fitting theory!
This channel is amazing. It feels like sitting with very well-adjusted friends as they appreciate art. I've done a deep dive and viewed the other channels as well. Great job guys!
Thank you so much!
This video single-handedly made me want to buy the special on blu-Ray and see it again!
I don't know about my kids, but I've always loved the Grinch because it showed someone who was alone, angry and bitter learning how to be open the love and care of other. His little encounter with Cindy Lou was very evident of that. She wasn't angry at "Santa" (before the explanation) for trying to stealing their tree and she was quite sweet about being sent back to bed about Santa. Then we have all the Whoville citizens. He saw himself how they weren't sad (especially Cindy Lou) and realized it wasn't about the noise, the food or the presents. Jono said it best at the end. No matter how much I wring myself out to prep for the holidays, being together and the enjoyment is always what tells me how much it is worth it because it's not just me enjoying it or appreciating it. The best parts have always been the time together and love shared.
For me, thee reason The Grinch Who Stole Christmas is deeply personal because I have learned through personal tragedy that not only is the joy of Christmas isn't dependant on pretty packages, it's not even dependant on being with the people we love. This year marked my 26th Christmas without my late husband Tim, who died as a result of another pandemic. In 1995, he died at the age of 31 from the leading cause of death in his age group in the United States, AIDS. It hasn't been easy being apart from him, especially at Christmas, his favorite time of year. However, in some ways, Christmas seems to bring him closer because I remember the Christmas memories we made together. So, even without Tim, Christmas came this year, "somehow it came just the same."
THE CHRISTMAS MIRACLE IS JOHN'S BRAIN!!!!
But I still love this movie. I relate to how much Christmas gets so difficult to separate from the materialistic culture around it and Grinch helps remind me why I like it.
Grinch just has sensory processing symptoms leave him alone :(
That... that would explain a lot actually
With an avoidant attachment style...
I thought, even as a kid, that some ear muffs or ear plugs would have solved the whole conflict in, like, two minutes into the movie...
Ha! Good one! 😂 but I would say closer to autism...
@Naomi tehe A sensory processing disorder causes your brain to not process sensory input correctly, which mostly means you have a bunch of hyper- or hyposensetivities. One of the most noticable symptoms is a hypersensetivity to sound. In this sepecific example the whos don't experience their noise level as troublesome, even the dog doesn't seem to be all that bothered by it, yet the grinch's brain can't filter that input correctly and to him it feels like they are banging his head instead of the drums. (I really hope this makes sense and isn't to simplyfied.)
Alan is surprised there are fans of the live action Grinch and I'm shocked that there are people who aren't. If I want to watch Grinch, that's the version I'm watching, I wouldn't even consider watching either of the other versions. This version is the one I grew up with first but that's the one I think of as the classic and true version
I'm surprised they didn't mention the transition at 3:10 and how it uses the color and shape of his pupils and the door knobs to direct the viewer's attention to the same spot that the kids enter the scene
The summation of an altercation between Solo and Kirk is so on point, it's physically impossible for me to agree more
This is our Family Tradition to watch this every Christmas eve.
Is it ok if you do Megamind, it’s not evolve with Christmas but it’s a good movie.
i second this
YES
OH MY GOSH THAT HAS BEEN MY FAVORITE MOVIE SINCE FOREVER!!!
Love Megamind. It's one of my most rewatchable movies.
Yeah, and it has somewhat the same theme as The Grinch where the antagonist changes his perspective too ☺️
I just found your channel today. It is now my favorite channel on youtube. I love how informative and kinda you are! Thanks for making my day!
You are so welcome!
Another group who are very sweet and friendly despite the intensity of what they like, are people who are into like death metal or just heavy metal. Super nice and kind people, and it's because they get their rage and aggression out through the music, this high intensity, screaming music acts a lot like primal scream therapy, and it really shows
I feel like the scene with the grinch talking about noise noise noise (when taken by itself) can also be related to sensory issues if that makes sense.
Curious to see what you think about the King Fu Panda movies and their themes
I hate horror, but I don't hate people that like horror, I just run out of the room if they're watching
I also do not like horror. I find the best way to justify the existance of the live action version of the movie is to think of it as being like the alien from "The Thing". Thus I have catigorized it as a horror film and run from the room when it is on.... the other "adaptations" of the great Dr. Get the same treatment.
We've got enough horrors in the world without having to watch it on film!
@@melissacooper4282 I get why you would think that way but I think the horrors in the world are part of the reason horror as a Genre is so well loved. In a way you learn to deal with terrible situations when watching a horror movie or reading a book and it can make the every day horrors seem less bad. I also feel like all the pain characters go through makes the payoff in the end when the evil is defeated feel much more impactful. That's why I mostly dislike horror films that don't have any sort of happy ending.
Same. Too scary and activating for me
Same I’m way too sensitive to anything remotely scary - freaks me out way too much. I tried watching their reviews/analysis of some thrillers/horrors and couldn’t stand it
I love this movie and watch it every year because it's message that Christmas is not about stuff. It's much more. There is also a huge nostalgia movie. In the 80s this came on CBS right before Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer (Frosty the Snowman came on before the Grinch) and that was a huge seasonal event at my house. The whole family would watch it together with snacks and popcorn. Being a typical 1980s latch key kid family time was an event.
mine too. nothing like watching predator on vhs at 4:00pm then rudolph at 7:00pm with the fam. childhood.
The way Jono said to talk to people about loving things and maybe you'll appreciate it too is one great way to deal with things you dislike. Another is to live and let live - maybe I don't get why you enjoy tattoos, but I don't have to. It's not MY decision how you live your life, it's YOURS, and the tattoos aren't hurting anybody. So ok, you do your thing, I'll do mine.
I've also heard a saying that 'I don't wish you ill I just don't want to dine at the same table anymore.' It's one I apply to people in my life who I have tried to love but have left nothing but hurt in their path. It's my way of wishing them well and moving on.
Also the Grinch's relationship with that Max is totally mother Gothal and Rapunzel.
I think I watch this movie because it gives me hope that no matter how rotten somebody is they have the potential to change even if that's not always true in real life.
Try watching The Haunting of Hill House, it deals with mental illness, ghosts like guilt, fear, opression. It's a good show.
Yes awesome idea !
hill house literally sparked my absolute love for horror bc it deals with such human issues in a supernatural way. welcome to night vale also does that, and i recommend you take a listen if you like hill house sometime, it's great :)
That would be a fantastic analysis video!
Amazing show
There’s a ton to analyze that show. I’ve grown to appreciate horror shows/movies as I’ve gotten older
I definitely watch this cartoon every year, and every I read up when he says "maybe Christmas perhaps, means a little bit more." It's just so sweet and gets to the heart of why we love holidays. Combine that with nostalgia and it's irresistible!
As someone who doesn't walk the same religious path as you and as a horror fan, I wanted to let you know I really appreciated your groundedness and acceptance in this video. You guys are my new favorite channel, I've really been digging these videos, your humor, and your mental-health related approach. Also, your doggy. 🐶❤
My roommate doesn't at all understand why I like villains like Loki. She thinks I'm crazy, but it's really because I love redemption stories and characters like him are so easy for me to redeem in my writing.
Yes, I am one of those Jim Carrey Grinch fans... and if I had to say what I liked about it was one: Jim Carrey being a zany goof (which is often a fun time) and that the message was that Christmas shouldn't be commercial. And it introduced me to Taylor Momsen, who is a lovely pop-rock singer.
I'm genuinely shocked that Alan doesn't like Jim Carrey's version! Or not that he doesn't like it, that he seems to dislike it.
It's legit one of my favourites. The dialogue is brilliant and I love Jim's performance.
My favorite story is probably "A Christmas Carol" by Charles Dickens.
This story, much like that story, is about the theme "A person can change. A life can be made right."
That's why I love 💘 them ^_^.
Aw...
That’s why in all those Rankin Bass claymation Christmas specials one of my favorite characters is the Winter Warlock, and his song Put One Foot in Front of the Other.
As a fan of the Jim Carrey one I will let this one slide-
I think when you grow up with something, like the Grinch who stole Christmas, you gain a love of the nostalgia that viewing it again brings. Suddenly, I am six years old again in the living room with my mom and dad watching it and just waiting until Christmas day.
We watched the Netflix Grinch and saw it through the eyes of our autistic son. A community perceives someone that doesn’t think, feel the same as them needs to be fixed, they chase him through the streets to force him to be like them. My son found that scene quite confronting. The resolution of the movie is that the thing that makes him different is magically fixed and then he can be accepted in the community as ‘normal’ like everyone one else.
as a fan of horror, I can say I get the greatest enjoyment from doing exactly what you guys do on this channel.
evaluating the psychology of the heroes, villains, and victims; what made them that way, how they got to where they are and more so evaluating the inner self and what makes me the same or different from the various "bad guys".
I've never been more insulted by Alan in my life than I have been in this whole video I still love him though
Thanks? 😅
Wasn't this whole video about being entitled to your own opinion without being devalued?
Perception is something my therapist mentioned in our sessions, and “trying on different lenses” to see the world through. It really helped a lot. Thank you for your videos, guys! You have yourselves a new subscriber.
I loved Thurl Ravenscroft belting out "Young A Mean One".
(And then there was the time I was reading a biopsy report on an operation I had... and some how it slipped into that tune and that voice, but the words of the biopsy... talk about a cultural tick...)
I'm on Grinch's side, I'm often on the "villain's" side. He was a loner who got annoyed by a loud crowd. I feel that.
I love this movie because I grew up poor. I enjoyed getting presents like any kid, but I like that this movie shows that Christmas is about togetherness above all else.
Never fails to amaze me how touched I feel listening to these guys. It's like having all the answers to all my questions descending directly into my soul. I may not need a therapists to function and feel joy, but now I'm thinking maybe I just want a therapist to function better and feel extra joy!
Unrelated but I’d love to see a video about Harry Potter and his struggle with trauma and the symptoms of PTSD he shows
@Heather N - They did an episode where they discussed Potter's handling of bullies.
I had to have a conversation like this with my mom. She used to go all over the Texas Panhandle, ranging over 100 miles, sometimes to graveyards near ghost towns, decorating the graves of relatives, some of which died even before she was born. When she got too infirm to do it by herself, she asked me to drive her around, getting the decorations, and decorating the graves before Memorial Day. Before. Memorial Day.
Then she got where she couldn't go with me and wanted me to do it for her. I didn't mind doing ones that I knew, but even then it had to be BEFORE Memorial Day. And she was always super specific about who got which decorations. One year I was sick of doing it and I said, "Look mom. If you want me to do this, you need to tell me why it's so important to you, because it's too much."
She told me that it was her Grandmother's tradition to get out and decorate all the graves before Memorial Day so that the family could look better than everybody else because their graves were already done when the town went to the cemetery.
So I said, "You mean this is three generations of trying to be better than the other clucking hens?" And I told her I would do the ones in her hometown that year and that in the future, she would gave to get someone else to do it.
This movie means so much to me. I used to watch it on repeat. I even broke my vhs copy of it. As an adult it just fills me with joy and nostalgia
I don’t know if in this film but in the new ones it highlights how his past impacts his view. I would love y’all to talk about a new version or a different film that highlights that. Would love your take on that
We're planning on doing this for a looooong time, so I'm sure we'll get around to at least the Cumberbatch one :)
@@CinemaTherapyShow - It is also visually beautiful.
When I was little, I looked forward to watching this movie on TV, it was and still is such a classic. And I have never watched the Jim Carrey version all the way through cause he just freaks me out. Earlier this year, I had done some research on some Tim Burton movies (not my favorite genre) to know what they were about so if it came up in conversation, I could contribute. And I have a cousin who's really into darker stuff and horror movies. So once, when she was visiting, I was asking her what she was into and what darker movies she liked, and because I had done research on the subject, I had knowledge of the stuff she was into, like "Corpse Bride."
"There are fans of the Jim Carrey version?"
I feel personally attacked.
I think I am gonna unsubscribe.
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This actually made me chuckle 😂 buckle up for the comments that don’t understand clever irony
exactly what i said! haha
Then I P considered something he hadn't before. Maybe Christmas movies don't come from a Netflix store: maybe Grinch movies, perhaps, mean a little bit more.
That idea was mentioned around 4:30… 🤔… interesting (however I don’t blame you, love that version)
It is tradition every Christmas to watch the 1966 Grinch movie because I've watched it every year for as long as I can remember. My dad introduced it to me and we still watch it together today.
Never seen 1966 Grinch, but I love the 2001 Grinch. I think I love it because it grounds everyone during the season. Christmas has been so commercialised that everyone forgets the basic message (apart from the religious aspect) that it's a time for cheer, family, friends and love. It's the one time in the year everyone tries to see everyone, no matter if its the only time they see them people will put in every effort because it's that time to do it. The Grinch embodies that message, take away the commercial aspect and what's left? The people you love and the time to celebrate having them in your life and being grateful for it.
you guys should analyze "the perks of being a wallflower" it's a beautiful movie and the topics are so important! love your channel❤
Hey, HERE IS YOUR WISH! 😊 I love perks of being a wallflower too!
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Just found this channel, been watching all day (thanks lockdown) and now, I'm about to stop, and see this was just posted.
You guys are awesome. I already forgot which video but one comment you made already is being applied to help my own writing. Looking forward to many more!
Glad to be of service!
@@CinemaTherapyShow Didnt say what it was. Too excited to watch the video.
"The only way to not feel pain is to not feel love." Ooh. That was exactly the insight I needed. Thanks for the entertainment, and thanks for the insight.
@@moonblaze2713 I think that was Inside Out!
@@lindseysquire8417 I believe that was right, yeah. I should've figured from, you know, the content of the movie. :P
As an atheist myself, I hope the Holidays treat everyone well this year and respect your side of the table of reality in terms of beliefs. Also you would like James Rolfe. He loves horror but he's by all means the nicest person you'll meet and he plays AVGN.
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I've been on and off breaking down for months. Relapsed today.
Coming to your videos for comfort, seeing as I have literally no one to talk to.
Love you guys.
this movie shows the simplicity of life an how I can see good in everyone and they gather and remember that they see what they have, no what they don't. they look who's heart changed and they see him now, not what he was. you give what you get.
it gives me chills. I love the Grinch finding redemption. It is very Scrooge. This unhappy guy becomes happy. Strength of 10 grinches + 2
At the beginning, The Grinch is obviously broken. He seems to have suffered abuse, abandonment, and is alone with nobody that he can talk to and get feedback from. He is angry, and might have sound-related SPD. When he steals the Who's Christmas, he expects to hear crying and see sorrow or despair. His realization that his reality isn't the real one is profound and healing.
It's a very wholesome, nostalgic movie. I think that's why I like it, personally. Please make more videos.
This one is so beloved because of its simple and direct message about the generous love that is the heart of our modern day Christmas traditions. The story is about that generosity and love. the grinch is the vehicle by which we arrive at that moral and truth. Because of the simplicity the story is able to gut punch us with this beautiful truth and hit us more powerfully. That’s why it’s a favorite. People who think the other versions are better haven’t seen a good version of a Christmas carol and so find themselves still hungry for a character driven version of this morality tale.
We have all hated Christmas at one time or another. It is frustrating when it seems that the point is gifts, stuff, and decorations. When the Grinch learns it isn't about "stuff," I relearn this with him. My little heart grows with his.
So many Christmas times after a death or loss, I have missed the person that is gone. I get Grinchy. This movie reminds me to celebrate those who are still with me, and spend a moment grieving, and let that Grinch go.
When he brought up the perception of different things, my first thought was youtube and how my parents see it vs. how I see it. My parents see it as a bunch of lazy college dropouts and adults using their children for content where youtube for me became my home, my safe haven and they hated that and tried to get me away from it as fast as they could. They're always quick to beat it down but I try to defend the good side of it like how people use it to raise money for charity and raise awareness about psychological problems like this channel and so on but they never seem to listen. They're hardened in their perception and it sucks having to be around someone who won't change their mind for you but you're expected to try to get yourself into what they like and see the world how they see it
You my friend are a who down in whoville. Dont let grinchy antics keep you down.
Your parents have obviously never seen anyone try to edit a TH-cam video on a deadline.
have they ever used youtube....? bc that's such a small part
TH-cam is really what you make of it. There is so much great content on this platform. Have they never seen the TedEd channel for example?
I see their point. Simultaneously though. It's a tool, you make with it what you wish
That was the most clever transition into an ad/promotion that I've ever seen! Love what your channel does, and I love learning about psychology and growing as a person myself from your content. Keep up the great work!
Personally offended you don’t like the Jim Carrey Grinch, that thing is a masterpiece! The theming of the set, the beautifully done prosthetics, Martha May Whovier!? Come onnn
I’ve always liked the Jim Carrey one. I just find it funny
@@itsmxtwist no one here is vilified, nothing will be agreed on by everyone. We truly can differ and still accept one another.
I thought the Jim Carrey version defeated the entire point of the story, that the Whos are so pure of heart that they give the Grinch faith in humanity. The Whos in the live action movie are absolutely awful people who gave the Grinch good reason to hate them.
It terrifies my 6 year old. Just the picture on Netflix bothers her.
It seems to me that most people at some time during the holidays feel outside the holiday spirit. It hits home because you can feel that way and still come back to the spirit of the holiday.
I loved this growing up. How could you not mention Boris Karloff's name(the original Frankenstein)? His amazing voice performance is one of the main reasons it was so successful. " Well in Whoville they say, that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day." tears me up everytime. I teach preschool in Japan and just finished a week winter school theme on the Grinch. Love it!