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- I think I probably knew about red filters being good for contrast in skies, but I still didn't really know what yellow filters did for you or when you might use them.
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So I got some Rollei bayonet filters which conveniently fit my Yashica 635 and I went out and shot each one side by side on the same scene to see what they results would be.
The answer - red good for landscapes, but NOT for portraits. Yellow, good for pretty much anything. Green filter - no idea. Can't see a great purpose for this one over yellow and red. But I'm all ears if anyone has any great suggestions for when a green filter can be useful!
Green, did a great job lightening the grass in wooden cross scene. It gave better separation between the grass and the trees. In my opinion, it's the best one for that scene. Subtle use of filters is the key.
Indeed, subtle use of filters! And I was being flippant at the end when I said that the green filter did nothing, it of course had some effect, but very similar to the yellow in many scenes. But overall I think I preferred the yellow for landscapes like that, just not as aggressive as the red. Each to their own though, it all depends on the look you're after!
@@the120ist Yes, for me, the yellow filter gets deployed the most, especially the #8, and for slightly stronger effects, the #12 (wratten minus blue). For green, I usually go for the #11. Each films' spectral sensitivity also needs to be considered... Cheers!
i came here to see if anyone agreed that the green was most effective..as well as the green areas the detail and contrast on the stones was to my taste to.. me thinks green filters for green landscapes...glad i found this clip..
I have been a film photographer for over 40 years. The use of filters can enhance the look of a photograph but my advice is to use them sparingly and thoughtfully . A yellow green filter is often used to give the panchromatic film a more literal look. Orange can be useful but it can also flatten the contrast believe it or not. This is dependent on the subject and the lighting of course. Red is an extreme filter and most landscape photographers seldom use it as the effect could often become more of a cliche. The most useful of all filters so far as landscape photography is concerned is the Wratten 12 filter, deep yellow, or the minus blue in the old language. In BW photography each subject has to be evaluated on its own merit for the use of filters. Someone mentioned the use of blue filter for portraits. This is more to emulate the true Orthochromatic films of yesteryears and it filters the red out. The effect can be striking on the photographs of female form with red hair, pale skins and freckles. Thank for your presentation. I forgot to mention that the blue filter can also have a dramatic effect on landscape photographs taken in mist or fog as it accentuates the effect. The exposure is tricky but the end result is well worth the effort.
I think that’s my take away from this - that filters could enhance my photography, but it would take quite a lot of practice and learning before I could reliably use them. I’ve never tried any colour filters before, so this was about testing them, see what they do and what it might take to get something out of them. I hear what you’re saying about the red filter, it’s a pretty aggressive effect! But with all the filters I generally got the result I was expecting, but not the balance of exposure I was expecting. Anyway, I think those filters are going back into a drawer in the short term, until I have a little more time to really get to know them! Thank you for the information, it’s great to be able to learn from people like you, who have been doing this for years!
@@the120ist What you have to consider , when using contrast enhancement filters, are two factors. Each colour filter ( these are known as Broadband filters as against Narrowband filters used in astrophotography ) will only pass through the wave lengths corresponding to its colour and blocks the rest. The second one is that shadows are mostly illuminated by the Blue portion of the spectrum. A colour filter, besides blue of course, will filter out the Blue and passes more of its own colour. This causes havoc with exposure. I learned from reading the books of the late great Ansel Adams how to read the effects of filters, I am being a bit big headed here as I still make the occasional mistake. When you measure the luminance values of the portion of the subject that are in shadows and place them on a zone IV for example, when using filters, extra exposure has to be given to ' counteract ' the effect of the filter as the filter will lower the shadow values by at least one zone ( one stop of exposure ). So a bit of practice and meticulous note taking is required. With practice the procedure becomes second nature.
It depends. Most of the film photographers today are digitally scanning were there are infinite tools to control contrast etc. If your working in a real darkroom it becomes a very time and money consuming task to correct a poorly exposed photo.
@@Machster10 Effective control of contrast, be it in the darkroom or in a scanning process, is only possible if the negative has been exposed to contain desired tonal values. No amount of digital manipulation can make a darkly rendered foliage or object into a mid/bright toned one. The use of contrast filters also help shape the response of the film to the available light. It is still the best, and perhaps the only viable practice, to expose to retain as much information with desired tonal range in the negative and then go on to fine tune it. I am not at all in favour of extensive digital manipulation or even worse, digital replacement of important areas of a photograph. It is after all, photography we are talking here and not CGI.
@@lensman5762 Are you working in a real darkroom? What is the context here?
For those who don't know. Yellow filter, half a stop to a stop extra light, Orange, 2 stops, red, 3 stops of light. Blues are typically 2-3 stops, and greens are 2. :)
Thanks! I left this out of this video. I was compensating for the red (but not enough) but not for the yellow or green.
thank you...
Perfect and super useful video! I love the red filter, thanks again!
Great presentation!! Always wanted to know what the filters did on b&w film. Your examples were very helpful. Thanks man! 👍
Glad you found it helpful! As you'll see in the comments, it wasn't a perfect demonstration, I should have made more adjustments to account for the filters letting less light through... but hopefully you get the idea!
This came along at the right time. I actually liked the yellow best because the fore ground/foliage looked better to my eye. I will do both red and yellow filter on my next few shots. Thank you. The info and timing were perfect! Good, clear, concise presentation, and fun to watch.
Glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful! Yellow is always a good catch-all filter. So many box cameras have a built in yellow filter that you can switch on and off. I think it's popularity is down to its gentle effects. Nothing too crazy, you can't go too far wrong with it, and for most black and white photography, it will give you image a bit more punch.
Answered my question about red filters in portrait photography! Thanks!
A great educational video. Now I am excited to get out and experiment with what I have. Thanks for the inspiration.
Really glad you found it useful! So much experimenting to be done with filters. Have fun!
Love how rich the contrast is when using the red filter!
It's nice isn't it? I cut out of the video where I tested the filters for light transmission, because it was pretty dull when I watched it back, but I was having to compensate about a stop for the red filter. Even with a stop compensation, everything but the sky came out pretty dark. I reckon a red filter plus a graduated ND and you could be getting some pretty nice landscapes!.
@@the120ist I’m keen to give it a go now :)
New sub. Thanks for this comparison video. I just bought a Pentax 645 to primarily shoot B/W, and I do my own developing. I look forward to watching more of your videos 👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌
Enjoy the 645! I’ve never tried one, or any 6x4.5 camera actually. It’s on my list to do very soon. Am keeping an eye out for one at a decent price! 👍
Excellent examples. I thought the cross and the portraites really showed the differences the most. Your dog is camera shy and did not want its picture taken (smile). Thanks for a great visual.
Always been a fan of red for landscapes. Great vid as always cheers
I'm totally new to filters for BW. And haven't had them out since actually. I should. They're sitting in a case in front of me on my desk. Add that to the list of shoots waiting to be done!
@@the120ist always some video to shoot mate great excuse to go out n play
Exciting and inspiring. Red=Good, Yellow=Better, Green=Udders on a Bull. Got it mate :)
Ha ha!! I still don't know what a green filter is for....
Good survey. Looking at a color wheel will help a lot by showing which colors will be darkened and which won't; red darkens cyan, green darkens magenta, blue darkens yellow -- and vice versa. Some folks like green for some portraits, depending on skin tones of course, knowing the wheel will let you evaluate a scene for what filters might help. A suggestion: you already appear to have a Red 25. Your green might be close enough to a 58. If you can find a blue 47 (Wratten numbers), you can give trichromes a try, which are fun...
Hey, thanks. As you could probably tell my knowledge of color filters is pretty limited! The green filter didn't behave as I expected it to - it did have some effect on the sky, but I expected it to brighten, or at least leave unchanged, vegetation and foliage, but it seemed to darken that as well.
I'll take a look for a color wheel, that sounds like it could be pretty helpful.
I had to look up what a trichrome is... but they look awesome. I might just give that a go! Thanks!
@@the120ist Ha, yeah, color's a funny thing! Not least because our visual system isn't uniformly sensitive to colors and our brains "auto white balance" for us, which can cause us to miss things. Sometimes there is reflected light from open sky (e.g., on snow) or other colors mixed into a dominant color (our receptors tend to see red or green but not both at the same time) that can throw this kind of thing off. The plants themselves can even be effectively dichroic: you can do an experiment where you soak ivy in alcohol to extract chlorophyll, then shine a light through the resulting liquid: it will show green or red depending on whether the light is transmitted or reflected. (You can google "make your own dichroic solution" to find the Eastman Museum short video on this.) All this stuff affects the use of filters. And of course "panchromatic" films are not equally sensitive to the entire spectrum, as a comparison of, say, Fuji Acros to TMAX or Delta 100 will show. It's fascinating and fun, and learning about it certainly will affect your photography, or, in my case, help me understand why things came out the way they did... :-/
Amazing, I just watched that. Never seen that before! So strange. I will now be spending the rest of my day trying to understand why that happens...
I was certainly aware that colors don't necessarily behave how i expect them to. I use the individual color sliders in Lightroom when I'm processing digital images, and you often have to manipulate colors that don't make sense to get the effect you want.
So much learned already, and yet so so much yet to learn! Thanks so much for the info!
Nice. To the point. Top marks!
Thanks!
I like the portrait with the red filter 🤣! I will test it by myself...
Ha ha!! It's definitely a unique look!!
But actually, all filters have their place... if you want that look then the red filter is for you!!
Green has a use as well as blue but both are very niche. Green works in a rainforest. Still not sure where blue comes in though. But I agree about red and yellow being best use for those situations. I really like the red filter personally. But I shoot a lot of landscapes with sky.
For sure the green and blue have some purpose somewhere! But like you, I definitely find more uses for the yellow and red.
Thanks man. Very useful
Glad you found it helpful! 👍👍
Good job. Thanks
thanks!
Really useful video!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Thanx for this, only recently bought cheaply Cokin filter set and am experimenting...some help ta
Get experimenting! That's the only way to figure out what you like. Also worth noting that not all filters perform the same, one red filter can give quite different results to another red filter, all based on the specific wavelengths of light that it traps. Enjoy your experimenting!
That second scene really demonstrates the effect. I never considered them on faces. I've done a similar test, but with a red filter I needed to add a stop of light. Ansel Adams took one of his first very successful landscapes of Yosemite after climbing for a day and he only had two shots left (large format, 4x5 I think). He took the first with no filter. At the last moment, he decided to take the same shot with a red filter. The first shot was nothing special. The second shot became iconic and showed the amazing range of grays he could get.
On a separate note, I noticed some vignetting on the second scene. Is that normal on that Yashica? I din't remember that on my Yashica D.
The filters can definitely have a dramatic effect. It's interesting, one you've tried using color filters for BW photography, it's quite hard to stop using them! If I forget to take filters with me, I will always realise when i suddenly think of using one!
On the second set of images, where I was photographing myself, I was using both the color filters and a close up filter, as the minimum focus distance of the Y635 is pretty far, about 4ft or something if I recall. The stacking of filters on the bayonets did seem to create vignetting. I didn't used to get it with any other shots, only if I started stacking filters!
Excellent 💎
Thanks!
Gravestone Pictures:
3:58 no filter
4:10 yellow
4:20 green
4:30 red
Cross pictures:
4:48 no
4:59 yellow
5:03 green
5:07 red
Great help 👍🏻
Glad you found it useful!
When I shoot black & white landscapes with my film cameras, I sometimes use yellow, orange, or red filters.
On my 35mm cameras, I use round glass Tiffen filters.
On my medium format cameras, I use rectangular plastic resin Cokin filters.
Your video as inspired me to use my filters more often.
Thank you! I'm really glad you've found this video inspiring. I have the Cokin filters for my MF cameras. I think they're the cheap version of the Tiffens, but they do the job. I love using filters for my BW photography, always try to take them with me if I'm heading out shooting. I really like using the graduated ND filters too, have you tried those? They basically darken the sky, bringing down the contrast between the sky and land, allowing more detail in both because you're able to expose more equally. Definitely worth a try!
@@the120ist
Yes, I have a variety of 84mm x 120mm x 2mm rectangular resin (plastic) filters.
I have 2-stop and 3-stop graduated ND filters.
I have soft-line and hardline graduated ND filters.
I have 3/4 light, 3/4 dark, and half light/half dark graduated ND filters.
My Cokin graduated ND filters (P120 and P121) produce an undesirable magenta cast on color images. However, since I primarily shoot medium format and large format black & white film, the magenta cast does not bother me.
0 I love how some of the filters get more subsurface scattering on your skin It looks really nice and also interesting I love how you can pick how much subsurface scattering you want
Would be nice to have access to these pictures, as the green landscape looked good to me
Green is great for foliage shots and that’s about it. Also all these filter provide different results depending on what angle to the sun you are!
I was sure green had a useful purpose!! Everything has an effect though right? And of that’s the effect you’re after, then great. Yellow and red are the colours that spend most time on my cameras, but perhaps that’s because subtlety is not my strongest suit….
Great! Based on this film photography with different colour filters, did you test same film simulation R,G,B, on Fujifilm camera? Will be at same result for B&W photography?
Hey, thanks. Don't have a Fujifilm digital camera to test that on, but I would assume that the r, g, b filter options on the BW film simulations will offer the same effects. They're designed to mimic exactly the reaction of BW film. The strength of the effect will depend on what sort of presets they have dialled in, exactly as it would depending on which red filter you used when shooting film.
this inspired me to pop on an orange today!
Nice! How did you get on with it? Happy with the results?
Yellow is always a good balance and worth keeping on the lens for black and white photography
It definitely offers gentler effects, and generally you're trying to up contrast a little. I think many do just leave the yellow filter on when shooting BW. I also know that yellow filters are the most commonly supplied with cameras from the 50s and 60s, usually thought of as a good all rounder!
@@the120ist Yeah I always leave the yellow on but take a red as well. Yesterday I was shooting ISO 400 Ilford Delta. I forgot to take the red and was having to stop down to F16 a lot as the OM10 only has a max shutter speed 1000. If I had the red with me I could have got away with using some wider f stops.
I used to shoot weddings with one of those cameras back in the 90’s 😊
They're great little cameras aren't they? Good solid Japanese work horse TLRs, always overshadowed by the Rolleis, but more than up to snuff!
thanks!
You’re welcome! Glad you found it useful.
What a wonderful comparison. I knew it, the red filter wins. Just subscrbed Buddy!👍👍
Thanks for the sub, and glad you enjoyed the vid. Not perfect, as others have commented, but at least you get an idea of what the filters can do… in the right hands (not mine!) 👍👍
If you are using B&W film, pushing it can give some really good results through the darkroom.
That's interesting, I don't do much pushing of film, mainly because I object to people pushing film for absolutely no reason. However, I have recently become interested in situations where I could use it for creative effect, or more importantly, to shoot with the ISO I have available in less than ideal lighting conditions. More on that in future videos I think!
I prefer the the yellow filter inthe seconds series. It darks the blue sky, but the greens in the foreground are are pretty bright. It comes nearest to my sean brightness. The contrast of the picture is round.
I have to agree with you. The red filter is pretty aggressive! Yellow is definitely a better all round choice I'd say.
When you set the camera ready to take each photo, you remind me of James May for some reason😂😂😂.
Ouch... that's not a good thing...
The framing of the images are very nice
Thank you! 🙏🙏
@@the120ist I hope you keep making photography content. Best of luck in the future 🤟🏾
@@asheagbi7544 I will! Thank you, same to you
Nice Video!
Thanks! 👍👍
Thank you,I just need to understand this.
You're welcome. I hope you found the video helpful!
It’s interesting that using monochrome filters also affects image acutance by reducing the effects of wavelengths other than that passed by the filter. This lens characteristic is greatest with green since that was likely the wavelength used to compute the design, with corrections reducing the out of focus image consisting of longer and shorter wavelengths. Meh, the effect is so small as to be hard to detect. The green filter images seen to have received less exposure. Foliage should render lighter than the eye sees it. This is an informative video. A class on filters. Time well spent.
I laughed every single time he said "cock". I'm 47 years of age.
Dude, stick around. I say cock a lot! If you keep watching you'll also hear the occasional mention of flange and correctly exposing myself when taking selfies.
@@the120ist In that case, Liked and Subscribed. Don't let me down.
Ha! I’ll do my best!! I’ve just realised the next vid coming out is about a 1950s folding camera with a single action cock and fire shutter... doesn’t require a dedicated cocking step, so limited cock references. I’ve fallen at the first hurdle.
@@the120ist You PROMISED!
@@joelonsdale there was definitely at least one cocking in my last video!
Love the green filter pics, lol... hate the yellow one, can’t see the difference. The red’s too dark for me. Thanks for the video!
Yeeeeah... I went out and tested them all so I knew what they were all for, but in reality I'm no better off now than when I started!! Haven't used them since this vid... but maybe I should keep trying with them...
@@the120ist Agree… we all should keep trying too. Beautiful camera, btw…. 😍😍😍
@ Totally agree! Thanks, I love that camera... but I've just bought a C330.... so I may have to sell it to pay for that one. Or keep both... would that be so bad??
@@the120ist Hahaha, noooooo! Jk… 🙌🏼
@ 😂😂
Hi, have you compensated for exposure with each filter? Thanks!
Hey, I did compensate for the red filter. But as per other comments on here, I may not have compensated enough! But the results still stand, the contrast is markedly different. But if I did it again, I'd do it differently.
@@the120ist Won't the darkness or depth of colour of the individual filter make a big difference too? Most of the filters I have are marked on the edge for their filter factor, and as I tend to use the Sunny 16 system it is a great help.
You might have had better results if you had realized that your green filter is NOT a green filter. It is a yellow-green filter, but you only see the green unless you are accustomed to looking at filters. If you look at your video at the 8:20 mark, you will be able to see both colors present, but you must look hard. The best effect of the yellow-green filters (Wratten #11 and #13) is to separate various tones of red. Otherwise it serves largely the same purpose as the yellow (Wratten #8) filter.
I didn't know that, thank you for the info. I am indeed not accustomed to looking at filters, this was a new experience for me. But I'm learning! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
A selectable green filter was sometimes used in the old days when using colour films on cameras specifically optimised for B&W film ie., not colour coated I guess, I have one, a Coronet Cub which utilises 828 film extinct in 1959 I think, luckily it is the same width as 35mm, so I make my own backing paper using cut down 120 backing paper and 35mm film in the darkroom/bathroom, very annoying and labour intensive. I haven't tried one yet because if it didn't work out I would be tempted to jump up and down on the camera, and I may hurt myself ;-))
A green filter for colour films? Doesn't that make everything look green? Or does it counteract a pink ish hue that the camera would otherwise put on the images?
I've yet to do any kind of cutting down of film... I suspect I'll have to one day for one of the defunct formats, but I am terrible a cutting in straight lines. I just seem incapable of it. I would have no faith in myself!
@@the120ist That was a recollection of an old article I once read, but I haven't been able to find it via Google, so take it with a pinch of salt I think :-) it was something to do with the chemistry of very early colour film, but I can't remenber why. As for cutting film so many things can go wrong with keeping the width constant when cutting with a hobby knife in total dakness working by touch alone :-), otherwise loading the exposed film during processing could be critical, I imagine the tollerances must be pretty small. I still haven't tried any of the 127 or 828 film I made up. Green filters in B&W darken reds and lighten greens, and are apparently used to make skin tones look natural. I have bought some more cameras :-) 120 and 35mm, a Zeiss Ikon Baldur 6x9 box camera, an Ensign Selfix 20 6x9 folder amongst them, and a couple of rolls of ORWO 100 asa B&W 120 roll film ( expired 12 years). Thanks for the comment, cheers
The green is in between red and yellow it did not darken your grass as much but it did help to seperae the layers in your sky plus darken it
True! But I think I'm still not too sure when I should use it! Red and yellow seem more obvious to me. But they all have a purpose!
... and getting to the point, the topic starts at 4:54
I could just go straight to the photos, but now where would the fun be in that? And you'd have missed my extremely precise filter-over-the-shoulder experiment....
This is the best explanation of this I've heard
Thank you! Hope it was helpful!
What would be a good filter for street photography? Or is it all dependant on the scene, so ie swap filters as per requirement?
Yeah, it kind of is dependent on scene. But a yellow filter is generally accepted to be a good all rounder, giving you a little extra contrast and punch to your images. A lot of the later box cameras had yellow filters built in or as slide in option.
If clarity and sharpness is your goal though, no filter might be best. Having a filter there just adds another sheet of glass for the light to get through, and another sheet of glass to keep clean!
@@the120ist Cheers. Makes sense.
Found out recently that blue is great for portraits... atypical comment though!
Is that right? I hadn't heard that. I'll have to give it a go. Also, I don't have a blue filter... Presumably lighting gels would do the same job.... hmmmmm... I wonder...
I thought blue is meant to be pretty bad for skin tones. It brings out blemishes and freckles. Red is much better for that, except the eyes. Yellow (or green!) would be a good compromise then.
@@IanTester depends why and for whom you’re photographing. If you’re taking a portrait for someone, you’d use a red/yellow filter. Softens up the skin, smooths it out, etc. but for personal photographs, it’s all up to you. Personally, I’d wanna use a blue one. I want to accent the blemishes and bumps. I want that detail, I wanna see the fingerprint of the face.
@@matthewjensen8681 EXACTLY, but not a very alluring or provacative look for the older ladies :-) strictly for personal appreciation.
Blue to enhance skin tones
Thanks! I don't have a blue filter. Will have to get one to give that a go!
I'm a little puzzled. To me the Green actually darkened the grass in the cross photos, yet others are saying it lightened the grass? I've also noticed that there seems to be quite a bit of Vignetting in your pics and yet we don't see a lens hood, so could it be the filters or the camera itself causing that?
There is definitely an element of vignetting from the filters I was using. I think that's a risk with any attachment on the bayonet fittings of TLRs. Long after putting this video out I went to sell these colour filters, as I didn't have any bayonet mount cameras any more, and I took a closer look at the filters to write an accurate description... and whilst they came to me in a Rollei case, there's nothing written on them at all, so they filters themselves aren't Rollei. They seem to be some cheap knock off filters, so unsurprising the depth of the rims was perhaps not right, and I was getting vignetting.
@@the120ist Thanks for the reply and info. Hmmm, I was wondering how the filters could cause vignetting when their rims are much shorter than the rims of lens hoods?
Quick question about the video. Would anything be different if the shots were taken at night or with a flash? I'd appreciate it if anyone has some feedback. Thanks very much.
I would assume, although I haven't tried it, that the effects would be noticeably different. If you think about the change of light at night, ignoring of course that there's less of it... if you're shooting only with moonlight, then I would assume there would be more blue than during the day, therefore the effect of a red filter would be much more pronounced etc etc. Or perhaps I mean less pronounced, if everything is blue-ish then all the red filter will do is darken down everything and leave with a low contrast, low light image. not sure!
With flash, it's going to really depend on the flash. Especially if you're using an older flash, like a bulb flash or similar. The effect of the filters will be dictated by the balance of the light they are filtering... so if your flash unit has a more orange or yellow hue, then red, orange or yellow filters are likely to reduce contrast in the image, because the light that they filter out (blues and indigos) isn't really present.
That would be my guess. But the very best thing you can do is get out there and try it! Let me know the results, I'd be really interested to know what you find!
@@the120ist Thank you very much.
What surprised me was the green filter. It darkened the trees and grass meanwhile yellow filter increased their brightness,which made me wonder, whether the leaf green is made up more of yellow than green itsel. Can Anyone help me to understand better?
Is blue something to consider?
Blue will have an effect, of course. It would lighten blue areas of sky, and darken reds.
I find it really interesting to tinker with sliders in Lightroom on my digital shots, changing the balance of different colours individually. Make me realise the make-up of different things in the photos. For example, grass and foliage, I find that changing the amount of yellow has the biggest effect on those areas. And faces are often most heavily effected by changing the amount of reds and oranges.
So a blue filter, assuming that it blocks mostly red and allows blue through, would likely have quite a pronounced effect on skin tones (in caucasians). I would expect it to add contrast to skin, and darken skin.
Definitely worth trying! Let me know if you do!
What about the orange filter
The effect of an orange will be a somewhere between the yellow and red. Sadly I don't own an orange filter, so couldn't show you that specifically, but orange as we know is a mix of yellow and red, so it will give you a mix of the two effects given by those filters.
why your lens is vignetting heavily, my Yashica 124g doesn't do that?
With hindsight, and a little more experience of these things, I now know that the filters I was using weren't very good ones. I bought them in a Rolleiflex case, but when I went to sell them I inspected them closely and realised that they weren't Rolleiflex filters at all! They were cheap unbranded things. So the barrel of the filters was longer than it should have been, giving that vignetting.
Also, on the later shots in this video, where I was taking pics of me, I was doubling up the colour filters and close-up lenses. So there's much more vignetting on those ones.
Long story short - cheap knock off filters!
You do not mention the "Filter Factor" which is achieved in your case by measuring each filter through a spot meter, +1, +2, +3 etc..
Thanks! I actually did film a sequence where I measured this, and I was compensating by +1/3 stop on the red filter shots, but it was a little slow to watch! But you're right, it's important to measure each filter and adjust accordingly.
@@the120ist +1/3 of a stop is not enough frankly. It should be 1 stop for yellow, 2 stops for green and orange, and 2.5 to 3 full stops for red. Take out your spot meter, shoot a spot with and without a filter in front of it and you will see what I mean.
Three full stops for the red?? Wow.
I did check with a light meter before I headed out, I laid it flat on the desk in front of me, pointed it up into a desk lamp then took readings for each of the filters. The yellow and green didn't give me even 1/3 stop metering difference, so I didn't bother compensating for those, and the red did give me a bit more than 1/3 but it definitely wasn't a full stop.
I'm just doing the test again. Under conditions as controlled as I can get them, I'm getting +0.1EV for yellow, +0.2EV for green and... ok I'm getting +1.4EV for red. So I should have compensated a little more for the red, I'm sure that wasn't what I got last time!
Thanks for the info anyway, definitely more compensation that I expected.
@@the120ist You got a false reading because you measured Tungsten light and not Natural light, +1 Yellow, +2 Orange and +3 Red in Daylight.
It depends on whether your scanning film or working in the darkroom. If your working in a darkroom, poor exposures are not even worth the time trying to work with.
Interestingly I find that I get more latitude in the darkroom. Sure it's easier to mess with images digitally, but scanning with a digital camera doesn't give you anything like the dynamic range that you get from photographing with the same camera. I find there's actually more you can do to adjust exposure in the print process than in scanning.
That said, a there's no substitute for a proper exposure in either case.
Green is good for nothing? But what if (for example) we wanna make black and white photo of little green man in front of green bushes? The answer is, that with no filter it would turn out mud... but if you use green filter, it will differ each shade of green and enhance this photo. Such is purpose of green filter.
You caught me... I was being flippant with the green filter comment!! Of course it has its uses, as do all filters, and the example you give is a good one! Thank you
I feel like yellow is mostly just a temperature shift.
You basically just did a trichrome you should try from the results
Oczywiście mowa tu o filmie PANCHROMATYCZNYM. Zielony filtr użyteczny jest przy wieczornym/ciepłym (czerwonym słońcu) świetle.
Dobrze wiedzieć, dziękuję! Wciąż uczę się tego wszystkiego, a i tak nie jestem wielkim fanem filtrów, czuję, że są one bardziej przydatne dla fotografów krajobrazu, a tak naprawdę nie robię zbyt wiele fotografii krajobrazu. Dziękuję jednak za informację!
@@the120ist niby tak. Na przyklad ... Czerwony by zlikwidowac mgłę na zdjęciu. Niebieski by ja wzmocnić. Dobre też są w architekturze by uwypuklić jakis kolor budynku itp.
Jaki zatem filtr polecasz do miejskiej fotografi mieszanej, architektura + zieleń? Mowa oczywiście o biało czarnym filmie.
Self portrait
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you should learn the color teory ,before review the color lens....go for oposite color "green", all the red will get darker, your face have slightly blood's red color , so " green filter " it's will bring out the texture on your face...
if you want blue darker, yellow brighter or grass brighter [grass = 50% blue+ 50% yellow], so you can use green filter and so on.
Thanks for the info!
are you irish?
ha ha, no I'm not! Do you think I sound Irish?
@@the120ist i thought so for a moment, but I'm not an expert on recognizing accents LOL
@@the120ist btw, i loved that video too. Really helpful, and I'm sure I'm gonna use it on the future
Thanks! I don't know about the filters... they went back in the bag after this video and haven't come out again since! Now that I've tried them out and got over my curiosity I'm not feeling the need for them!
It was not really a successful experiment , please do more research
I'm sorry you found it dissatisfying!
@@the120ist dear the only issue that the view you choose was not suitable for the example, I have seen many Russian (Soviet era) photographer doing great results with coloured filters in BW films
Lmao "green, good for nothing"!
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