At 66 years old I watch way too much UTube but one comment I seem to make a lot is don’t lose your sense of humor and I truly mean it in your case. You humor to you video keep me intrigued and I even learned something since I am starting to shoot B& W film. Keep up the great work.
Awesome editing with the sliding comparison of the shots, very smooth with the text moving along with the slide Can’t wrap my head on how you did that My mind is blown
I'll disagree on one thing: red filters are *often* used in portraiture (with suitable makeup), because they *de-emphasize* the red color of skin imperfections like rash, freckles (red-brown) and pimples. Some subjects object to green lipstick, however, and the red filter will make lips very pale... Otherwise, most of what you saw as "not needing a full three stops" was due to the color of the light that late in the day. If you'd been using orthocrhomatic film (not with a red filter, obviously) you'd have had to give it a full stop, perhaps even more, beyond "normal" exposure due to the color of the light. I've only recently started using filters -- I now use a yellow filter quite a bit on my Kiev 4 (conveniently, all three lenses I have for it use the same diameter) and I recently used a red on my RB67 (which also uses the same filter diameter for both lenses) with an effect I liked.
I recommend using red filters with bw films which can record near infrared wavelength, including foma 100, agfa apx 100, rollei 80s & super pan 200, definitely Ilford spx 200 and rollei infrared film (I even use 720nm infrared filter for these two). Hp5 is just not so sensitive to red wavelength.
Many of the shots weren't good ones to use a red filter on to begin with. Filters are situational. Sometimes you use a red, sometimes an orange, sometimes a green. The only universal one which you could have on all the time is a yellow filter.
Generally the darker the filter the more contrast. A yellow filter is pretty much on my camera all the time when shooting B&W and on really sunny days I switch to red filter. I never use orange, basically it's in between a yellow and a red (duh) so you might as well use yellow or red. Yellow = 1 stop, orange 2 stops and red 3 stops.
Just invested in a red filter for my film camera (Minolta X-300), along with some HP5+ I’ll be testing it out after watching your video. After seeing the results, I think I preferred the darker original shots as that’s the look I’m going for. Great video btw and I’ve now subscribed. 👌🏻
NEW SUB I had to pause at a few minutes in, and immediately like and subscribe. Your humor coupled with technical had me thinking AND chuckling. Excellent video in both content and editing 👍
AE1 meter the light through the lens (TTL) so when you put the filter on i think you don't need to add extra 3 stops to adjust the exposure? i'm not professional but you red filter pics looks all over exposed a bit.
A great video as usual. I think the image comparison was done first and then the B roll added to make this video. Can we expect another video on yellow filter?
The best use of a red filter, IMO, is to make skies with clouds more dramatic. I use it extensively for that purpose but don't use it for anything else. If there is no sky WITH clouds in the shot, I don't use a red filter.
Actually, I think the red filter will work well with rashes and other blemishes because it will make the usually dark red spots brighter and closer to the skin tone. Therefore they will be less visible. I always use a yellow/orange or red filter in lightroom on portraits when converting to black and white. Makes the skin look smoother while still leaving the natural texture.
I am amazed how little difference the red filter does. When I was shooting with red or orange filter, I got almost black sky, bit overdramatic. It may have somthing to do with shooting close to noon, when sky was much moire staurated.
I think adding 3 stops compensates a lot for the areas that are darkend by the filter allowing those that aren't, to actually get closer to over exposing, like the lemons, the flowers,etc, a few of these shots seem to maintain overall exposure which realistically is what most would aim for, I tend to like colour filters for added contrast or more controll of possitive and negative space. I feel like adding exposure still maintains the shift in tones tones but it seems to reduce the darkening effect if you completely compensate. I think bracketing these exposures to see if somewhere midway might be nice and if just toning it down by metering without the filter then adding it might be interesting. I'm curious if the filter requires 3 stops compensation if you couldn't just push it is developing to see what kind of dramatic effect it would have, I respect subject and compensation have more to do with consideration for use of processes that jave drastic influences on contrast and grain but it just makes me curious what the effect would look like. Great video by the way, sorry to see it so late.
More accurate way to judge your filter compensation is to use your light meter through it and see what the actual change is in sunlight, which is a pretty broad spectrum illuminance.
Or you could look at it as the filter’s job is to *darken* parts of your image... so why would we try to compensate for that? You’ll end up with exactly what he got: overexposed reds oranges and yellows.
In looking at the A/B comparisons , it seemed like all of the shots with a red filter had no true blacks . This isn't a function of the red filter but of exposure . Anyway , pretty much all a red filter is used for is to make the sky more dramatic ....
Nice Video, you are the God of Animations! I think the huge lighting and contrast differences in some shots are partly due to how you metered the exposure, as you said you metered for the scene without a filter and then added 3 Stops for the red filter as if it was an ND filter. But red filters opposed to ND filters dim different wavelengths at different rates like you said at the beginning, so if the scene consists of mostly reds and yellows the overall exposure will be greater so 3 stops will be too much and the opposite is the case with blues and greens where you might need more stops. So the best way to meter would be with a red filter on the lens and TTL metering.
Dont use cyan filters or othochromatic film for female portraits They will slap you Great for male portraits though👍 Orthochromatic film darkens caucasian skin and makes scars, blemishes, acne appear as dark marks on the face Great if you wanna look weathered and rugged Not so good for beauty shots😅
Jamie Hoy its not a hard rule. Of course you can use it. In fact I like the look orthochromatic film on female portraiture. Its just most modern women prefer to look smooth and light over scarred and rough. Misogyny is a profound hatred of women I don’t see how a this meets that definition. Nor is it that big an assumption. Its the same as assuming men want to look muscular and strong. Or course some men don’t.
@@jamiehoy3616 In general men want to look more tough and rugged while women dont. Obviously differs from person to person but those are the societal norms most of us are taught growing up.
white leds are just 2 colors that averige out to white. witch 2 depends on the led. could have one with no red or half of all the light comeing out be red, to your eye it dosent matter but to the camera it does.
I love that you have what looks like an Arca-Swiss Cube, perhaps the most expensive and incredible tripod head you could have to dial in perfect compositions, and then you say "It's all downhill from here."
Red filter for portraits - I would have to advise against it. It will smooth out the skin somewhat but will also make lips blend in with the skin giving somewhat bland, flat look. A yellow or green filter for portrait is much better choice. Blue filter can create a very dramatic portrait that highlights all imperpections (sort of reminiscent of tintype which is sensitive to UV and Blue only). Also any scene with a foliage will, in my opinion, not benefit from the red filter since the green foliage will be just a dark dull grey. It might be a great choice for deserts and mountains, where the actual palette is muted in the first place and it's more about tones than colors. Orange filter is much better choice for enhanced contrast, darkened sky but without sacrificing the foliage tonal range.
Hi, You know back in the day, when there was only film photography, using coloured filters with B&W film was photography 101. Red was considered quite extreme, and used mainly for dramatic effect in landscape photography. Yellow and orange were milder. Green was good when photographing foliage. When using a camera with a TTL meter, as you 're metering through the lens, and therefore the filter, exposure compensation will take care of itself. Of course if you're going to digitise your negatives, similar effects can be created with photo editing software without the inconvenience of screwing filters to your camera lens. However the filters will save you some serious and skilled work in the darkroom if you're continuing down the traditional route to produce your image.
Wondering why you didn't take the first shots with the filter *on*, then take it off for the second... ..it's easier and quicker to take it off, as you don't have to align it... ...and it takes the time-to-take-the-filter-outta-the-packet out of the time difference.
I agree about the “filter compensation” issue. To me it looks like all the red/orange/yellow things in your photos are 2-3 stops overexposed. It’s not a good look to my eyes. I shoot b&w with a yellow filter which Hoya recommend 1 stop adjustment. Sure enough, all my shots looked 1 stop overexposed. I now ignore all filter compensation suggestions.
I did a little comparison on filters years ago, don’t remember a lot of specifics except that how I liked the effect was dependent on the subject. Perhaps you could compensate .5, 1.0, 1.5 stops for Y/O/R.
Having just watched a video on trichrome and coming here I wonder if you can achieve the mythical aerochrome look you’re going for by combining IR sensitive film with four filters: RGB and then a filter that only lets in IR.
This was my first time here... OMFG's... hilarious and informative... I have only ever used the Red 25 to shoot infrared... I still shoot film too... I am only days away from having a fully functional darkroom... I have shot mostly with Pentax cameras, the MX is my fav... someone gave me an AE-1... which I think you just inspired me to go out and shoot with... very excited... what is Street Candy? Is that a Lomo thing? Anyway, cool channel...
red filter is not highlighting rush and other skin defects. it makes them less visible instead ) any red-colored defects will be less visible with a red filter on (so as lips. ha-ha). red filter - hides acne and shows veins. blue filter - shows acne and hides veins. so the best filter for B&W portrait is dark yellow/orange. (and use a dark lipstick to define lips contour)
I shot some Hp5 through through my weight lifting equipment/67 camera. Pushed to 1600. Spot metered for the sky with a handheld meter but with no compensation on a bright blue sky day. The subject was an old pachinko place. This is what I want to see from a red filter, black skies! flic.kr/p/2iuWT7g Glad to see you are still out there. The new angle pool was my favorite.
A red filter is good to dark clear, deep blue sky on B/W films. Blue sky looks to bright on on black-and-white photos. Does someone combine it with a pol filter?
Thanks for a very helpful video, this is the first time I've come across your channel. What is that clicky thing called that you're using to take the photo?
love the episode, watched this while quite a few stella's deep in the Uk. What lens hood do you use on the cannon? ned one to make me look hipster too!!
Came here for my daily dose of Baxter but instead I got a very informative and detailed video about red filters. Thanks!
At 66 years old I watch way too much UTube but one comment I seem to make a lot is don’t lose your sense of humor and I truly mean it in your case. You humor to you video keep me intrigued and I even learned something since I am starting to shoot B& W film. Keep up the great work.
Awesome editing with the sliding comparison of the shots, very smooth with the text moving along with the slide
Can’t wrap my head on how you did that
My mind is blown
Yeah noticed that as well. Great editing. Jason will you edit my pubes?
I'll disagree on one thing: red filters are *often* used in portraiture (with suitable makeup), because they *de-emphasize* the red color of skin imperfections like rash, freckles (red-brown) and pimples. Some subjects object to green lipstick, however, and the red filter will make lips very pale...
Otherwise, most of what you saw as "not needing a full three stops" was due to the color of the light that late in the day. If you'd been using orthocrhomatic film (not with a red filter, obviously) you'd have had to give it a full stop, perhaps even more, beyond "normal" exposure due to the color of the light.
I've only recently started using filters -- I now use a yellow filter quite a bit on my Kiev 4 (conveniently, all three lenses I have for it use the same diameter) and I recently used a red on my RB67 (which also uses the same filter diameter for both lenses) with an effect I liked.
Oh you like Solo: *A Star Wars Story* ?
That explains a lot
5:39 more like you're revolving as a photographer, because, you know, you walked around the pool for this shot
Damn thats good
@@grainydaysss lmao thanks man
I really like the shot of the pool 🤷🏼♂️
wow this has been the most informative video I've seen in awhile lakdjsf and GOSH YOUR COMMENTARY IS SO FUNNY pls don't stop
Not only educational but delightfully dry delivery - love it. Thank you.
“Pure air, water, cocaine”😂
Excellent video Jason❤️
I like your style and sense of humor. I would like to see more like this using other colored filters.
Your part of the world looks nice, it reminds me of the adventures of T800 and John Connor
If you have TTL metering, it will automatically compensate for exposure. You don't need to change any settings.
I recommend using red filters with bw films which can record near infrared wavelength, including foma 100, agfa apx 100, rollei 80s & super pan 200, definitely Ilford spx 200 and rollei infrared film (I even use 720nm infrared filter for these two). Hp5 is just not so sensitive to red wavelength.
So glad to see you mention three stops. To me that is max contrast when two stops is more subtle. Fun vid.
I think I like the shots without the filter more.
me too
As for the red brick buildings, I agree. Darker is better there.
Way more shadow and highlight detail in the red one. The normal one looks like you have the wrong ISO.
Many of the shots weren't good ones to use a red filter on to begin with. Filters are situational. Sometimes you use a red, sometimes an orange, sometimes a green. The only universal one which you could have on all the time is a yellow filter.
Generally the darker the filter the more contrast. A yellow filter is pretty much on my camera all the time when shooting B&W and on really sunny days I switch to red filter. I never use orange, basically it's in between a yellow and a red (duh) so you might as well use yellow or red. Yellow = 1 stop, orange 2 stops and red 3 stops.
its always a good day when theres a new grainydays upload
i once claimed my cv/resume (with no extra detail) that i was, in fact, a wizard. No one ever asked about it 🤷♂️. enjoying the videos ☺️
Just invested in a red filter for my film camera (Minolta X-300), along with some HP5+ I’ll be testing it out after watching your video. After seeing the results, I think I preferred the darker original shots as that’s the look I’m going for. Great video btw and I’ve now subscribed. 👌🏻
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I had to pause at a few minutes in, and immediately like and subscribe. Your humor coupled with technical had me thinking AND chuckling. Excellent video in both content and editing 👍
Rocking the portra400 box tab in the cam while shooting black and white... Mood
I am going to watch this after I watch this documentary on John Wayne Gacy.
Let us know how it went. I‘m planning something similar with „I‘ll be gone in the dark“ and a Willem Verbeeck Video tomorrow...
AE1 meter the light through the lens (TTL) so when you put the filter on i think you don't need to add extra 3 stops to adjust the exposure? i'm not professional but you red filter pics looks all over exposed a bit.
A great video as usual. I think the image comparison was done first and then the B roll added to make this video. Can we expect another video on yellow filter?
Throwing off film photographers everywhere with the red filter and "Portra 400" label in the slot on the back. Gonna get some sick red tonezz
You and Caleb make the best f*cking youtube videos!! great work
The best use of a red filter, IMO, is to make skies with clouds more dramatic. I use it extensively for that purpose but don't use it for anything else. If there is no sky WITH clouds in the shot, I don't use a red filter.
should do a video on what starter filters to get and what types are best.. or just clone baxter. either is acceptable
Actually, I think the red filter will work well with rashes and other blemishes because it will make the usually dark red spots brighter and closer to the skin tone. Therefore they will be less visible. I always use a yellow/orange or red filter in lightroom on portraits when converting to black and white. Makes the skin look smoother while still leaving the natural texture.
Blue filters/orthochromatic film brings out blemishes
I am amazed how little difference the red filter does. When I was shooting with red or orange filter, I got almost black sky, bit overdramatic. It may have somthing to do with shooting close to noon, when sky was much moire staurated.
What lens and lenshood are you using in this one? :)
these are all beautiful, it gives you that noir feel to it and its kinda inspiring to me. amazing video man +1
I'm always looking forward to watching your credits. Love that parallax-thing you do!
I think adding 3 stops compensates a lot for the areas that are darkend by the filter allowing those that aren't, to actually get closer to over exposing, like the lemons, the flowers,etc, a few of these shots seem to maintain overall exposure which realistically is what most would aim for, I tend to like colour filters for added contrast or more controll of possitive and negative space. I feel like adding exposure still maintains the shift in tones tones but it seems to reduce the darkening effect if you completely compensate. I think bracketing these exposures to see if somewhere midway might be nice and if just toning it down by metering without the filter then adding it might be interesting. I'm curious if the filter requires 3 stops compensation if you couldn't just push it is developing to see what kind of dramatic effect it would have, I respect subject and compensation have more to do with consideration for use of processes that jave drastic influences on contrast and grain but it just makes me curious what the effect would look like. Great video by the way, sorry to see it so late.
More accurate way to judge your filter compensation is to use your light meter through it and see what the actual change is in sunlight, which is a pretty broad spectrum illuminance.
Or you could look at it as the filter’s job is to *darken* parts of your image... so why would we try to compensate for that? You’ll end up with exactly what he got: overexposed reds oranges and yellows.
@@joeltunnah Lmao these people are so funny. Its like they assume overexposing is what makes a film photo, I can't watch this shit.
Great video! Please do a video on yellow filter to!
Yes! I use a yellow 12 and does a great job on most things. I also use a red 25 and a red 29 filters and they are great also😊
I’ve almost only ever used red filters with b&w film on landscape photos during those delightful Simpson’s puffy cloud days
In looking at the A/B comparisons , it seemed like all of the shots with a red filter had no true blacks . This isn't a function of the red filter but of exposure . Anyway , pretty much all a red filter is used for is to make the sky more dramatic ....
Nice Video, you are the God of Animations!
I think the huge lighting and contrast differences in some shots are partly due to how you metered the exposure, as you said you metered for the scene without a filter and then added 3 Stops for the red filter as if it was an ND filter. But red filters opposed to ND filters dim different wavelengths at different rates like you said at the beginning, so if the scene consists of mostly reds and yellows the overall exposure will be greater so 3 stops will be too much and the opposite is the case with blues and greens where you might need more stops.
So the best way to meter would be with a red filter on the lens and TTL metering.
Your videos are inspiring to my therapist! Love your work
Nice technical comparison video and VERY funny.
I literally bought a red filter last week, and now I'm looking for use cases. This is perfect.
Dont use cyan filters or othochromatic film for female portraits
They will slap you
Great for male portraits though👍
Orthochromatic film darkens caucasian skin and makes scars, blemishes, acne appear as dark marks on the face
Great if you wanna look weathered and rugged
Not so good for beauty shots😅
hey, can you send an example of this?
Гусь : look up
Ortho plus portraits on images
Ortho plus is an ilford orthochromatic film
this is a big assumption to make about women....misogynistic much?
Jamie Hoy its not a hard rule. Of course you can use it. In fact I like the look orthochromatic film on female portraiture. Its just most modern women prefer to look smooth and light over scarred and rough.
Misogyny is a profound hatred of women
I don’t see how a this meets that definition.
Nor is it that big an assumption.
Its the same as assuming men want to look muscular and strong.
Or course some men don’t.
@@jamiehoy3616 In general men want to look more tough and rugged while women dont. Obviously differs from person to person but those are the societal norms most of us are taught growing up.
I was going to ask if you could do a video on lens hoods and tripods?
white leds are just 2 colors that averige out to white. witch 2 depends on the led. could have one with no red or half of all the light comeing out be red, to your eye it dosent matter but to the camera it does.
Best intro ever 😷
I bought a red filter and have been confused ever since. like what... so thank you!
His commentary is great I subbed
I love that you have what looks like an Arca-Swiss Cube, perhaps the most expensive and incredible tripod head you could have to dial in perfect compositions, and then you say "It's all downhill from here."
How did you make your 2D picture 3D, like a dolly in? at 10:19
You can dim the effect by going with an orange or yellow filter.
Gotta say, proving the adage that gear does not make for great photos with the $1500 tripod head getting its time to shine! (God I want a arca cube)
You can use red filters with colour film to REALLY drastically alter the shot. Bloodshot, in fact!
I love your vids, not forced, well made, just makin videos whenever you feel like it. Love ya
New Sub (not in the dom way) -Confirming that u are on the list and that you just lost The Game. I like this enthusiasm keep it up.
Red filter for portraits - I would have to advise against it. It will smooth out the skin somewhat but will also make lips blend in with the skin giving somewhat bland, flat look. A yellow or green filter for portrait is much better choice. Blue filter can create a very dramatic portrait that highlights all imperpections (sort of reminiscent of tintype which is sensitive to UV and Blue only). Also any scene with a foliage will, in my opinion, not benefit from the red filter since the green foliage will be just a dark dull grey. It might be a great choice for deserts and mountains, where the actual palette is muted in the first place and it's more about tones than colors. Orange filter is much better choice for enhanced contrast, darkened sky but without sacrificing the foliage tonal range.
First time checking out your channel. It was the Clifford’s big red ass that convinced me to subscribe.😅😅
Hi,
You know back in the day, when there was only film photography, using coloured filters with B&W film was photography 101.
Red was considered quite extreme, and used mainly for dramatic effect in landscape photography. Yellow and orange were milder. Green was good when photographing foliage.
When using a camera with a TTL meter, as you 're metering through the lens, and therefore the filter, exposure compensation will take care of itself.
Of course if you're going to digitise your negatives, similar effects can be created with photo editing software without the inconvenience of screwing filters to your camera lens. However the filters will save you some serious and skilled work in the darkroom if you're continuing down the traditional route to produce your image.
Which tripod do you use? (at 4:51 )
It's an Arca Swiss C1 head. The legs look like gitzo.
The most expensive setup possible
@@aldenjames5611 I know 😂😭
Last time I was this early the T2 was a cheap point and shoot
Wondering why you didn't take the first shots with the filter *on*, then take it off for the second...
..it's easier and quicker to take it off, as you don't have to align it...
...and it takes the time-to-take-the-filter-outta-the-packet out of the time difference.
1:23 Me too bro, thinking about it now I'm sad
First time I see such a good comparison of the with and without the red filter on bnw film, quite interesting
I wonder how many yes we see you place the red filter on the lens.
i like your energy
Any idea what lens hood is that?
I agree about the “filter compensation” issue. To me it looks like all the red/orange/yellow things in your photos are 2-3 stops overexposed. It’s not a good look to my eyes.
I shoot b&w with a yellow filter which Hoya recommend 1 stop adjustment. Sure enough, all my shots looked 1 stop overexposed. I now ignore all filter compensation suggestions.
I did a little comparison on filters years ago, don’t remember a lot of specifics except that how I liked the effect was dependent on the subject. Perhaps you could compensate .5, 1.0, 1.5 stops for Y/O/R.
That conversion analogy tho 😂😂😂
Having just watched a video on trichrome and coming here I wonder if you can achieve the mythical aerochrome look you’re going for by combining IR sensitive film with four filters: RGB and then a filter that only lets in IR.
This is an interesting concept!!
i lost it when he say “similar to your body when it converts spaghetti to shit” HAHHA
This was my first time here... OMFG's... hilarious and informative... I have only ever used the Red 25 to shoot infrared... I still shoot film too... I am only days away from having a fully functional darkroom... I have shot mostly with Pentax cameras, the MX is my fav... someone gave me an AE-1... which I think you just inspired me to go out and shoot with... very excited... what is Street Candy? Is that a Lomo thing? Anyway, cool channel...
Where did you get that square lens hood?
red filter is not highlighting rush and other skin defects. it makes them less visible instead ) any red-colored defects will be less visible with a red filter on (so as lips. ha-ha).
red filter - hides acne and shows veins.
blue filter - shows acne and hides veins.
so the best filter for B&W portrait is dark yellow/orange. (and use a dark lipstick to define lips contour)
You should try a polarizer with the red filters.
What lens hood and tripod head is that??? Great video like always
My situation is the exact one you described in the beginning
Came for the title, stayed for the commentary.
I shot some Hp5 through through my weight lifting equipment/67 camera. Pushed to 1600. Spot metered for the sky with a handheld meter but with no compensation on a bright blue sky day. The subject was an old pachinko place. This is what I want to see from a red filter, black skies! flic.kr/p/2iuWT7g Glad to see you are still out there. The new angle pool was my favorite.
Which lens or hood is that rectangular riding over FD mount ?
I really appreciate all of the effort you put into your videos
Maybe try an Infrared FIlter?
Cool video.
which tripod head is that?
He nice & fun video can we have the reference of the tripod head ?
greetings from France ;)
try is with infrared film, some ilford SFX or rollei?
A red filter is good to dark clear, deep blue sky on B/W films. Blue sky looks to bright on on black-and-white photos. Does someone combine it with a pol filter?
mic is really good
Too many bad jokesssss man
I have a red filter, this video is for me!
Orange filter next?
Have you tried doing the red, blue, green, filter inorder to create color photos from black and white? Ive never seen someone do this with film before
I’ve done this. It worked.
@@bjmarchivesSo cool!
ay my mans got the blue light blockin glasses
Thanks for a very helpful video, this is the first time I've come across your channel. What is that clicky thing called that you're using to take the photo?
It's called a shutter release cable. Hope that helps!
@@grainydaysss thanks!
I really need to use red filters more ... I have used yellow filters a bit more later. I'm a sucker for dark, dark, skies.
love the episode, watched this while quite a few stella's deep in the Uk. What lens hood do you use on the cannon? ned one to make me look hipster too!!
how did you got the pictures so grainy? how did you developed it? nice picture btw :)
Are you doing a video on yellow filter anytime soon?
Does the in-camera light meter adjust correctly when you have the filter on?
From what I’ve read, anything over 3/4ths of a stop is iffy.
yes it does with SLRS
if without filter shoot at 200, and with filter shoot at 30 right? +3 stop?
Great video but I can't help but wonder, is this the right filter for street photography? The greens looked muted and less contrasty with this.
comedy, i like this guy.