Bro, you are hillarious with your delivery. I was an extremely active in AA and sober for 4.5 years. I had many bad experiences and some positive ones. I can affirm a lot of what you said and can tell that you, too, have a lot of experience in AA. I saw the podcast segment you are referring to and also found it odd. I stepped away and moved out of state. No one reached out to me. I tried calling some "friends" I had made, people I spent significant time with in and outside of meetings. They were unavailable to me. I recently moved back to my home state and attended a few meetings I used to attend. People who knew me expected me to be having a difficult time and a ruined life, but I'm generally fine. One woman told me that I was "just some newcomer that thinks they know something and is going to go get drunk." I discussed with someone else that I felt very alone and was upset that I wasn't able to maintain any friendships and was told "well, you left!" That was two nights ago. My experience over the last couple of weeks have made it clear to me that I no longer have a place or interest in the cult. I will say that I was able to experience some personal growth in a time of need, but I have exhausted that resource.
Fabulous as always! I have had a much harder time recovering from 12 step than I had recovering from my decade long Iv dope addiction. 12 step had me believing some really messed up things about myself. The biggest lie is that there’s freedom in the program, when I left that program, that’s when I found true freedom 🎉
Awww I just got to the part where you shouted me out, thank you! I’m back to trying to upload again. I go through spurts trying to post more regular like you do!!
@@Burnthestigma420 That short video was so spot on, AA SAYS THAT IS NOT SOBRIETY !! Like AA gets to decide what is sobriety and what it is not. A group with a horrible failure rate and not grounded in any sort of reality at all.
@Burnthestigma420 If you've ever seen those Dawa preachers (Muslims discussing the Kora) they promote a "freedom" completely different than the western sense of the word. Their idea of "freedom" is being faithful to Allah and praising Mohammed. The Islamic sense of "freedom", seems to be similar to AA's.
Getting addicted to xa a good thing??? Hell no!!!. By the time I broke free, I had lost my ability to think for myself and had become a magnet for narcissists outside the program. I was hanging with some people in an art club Sunday, and we had all been affected by a local artist who has serially maligned people who won't put up with her abuse. It occurs to me I encountered this woman straight after I left xa, was vulnerable and not in the best place to he discerning. No one should ever deserve to have their freedom of thought taken away from them like I had.😢😢😢😢😢
@@patforden-kc6xn I couldn't agree more, there is no good outcome, for people to surrender their life to predators that dominate a religious cult like AA
My questions for big book thumpers are as follows: if we put stock in the disease model in order to remove the moral stigma and shame from an individual’s struggle with compulsive behaviors related to substances, then what is the purpose of a moral inventory if not to invoke shame? Follow up questions: is a “spiritual awakening” quantifiable, and if not, how can it be guaranteed? How do you know that “addiction” is lifelong, and do you think that committing to the identity of alcoholic/addict is connected to this pessimistic projected outcome? If one of the core motivational phrases is “progress, not perfection,” then why is strict abstinence both expected and used as a yardstick for failure-and why does a person have to hand in their chips and start from Step 1 if they do “slip”? This implies that their progress means nothing. So my final question is: if perfection is both expected _and_ meaningless, and any amount of progress doesn’t actually matter, what’s the point of the program at all? I have far more questions than these and I know I won’t get any answers, but the contradictions abound and since steppers are discouraged from critical thinking, I might as well ask for them while I’m here-please forgive my long winded essaying, lol. Appreciate your insights as always, Victor! ✌🏼
The point I wanted to make is “rejecting AA does not mean rejecting God” the groupers dismiss anyone who leaves mother group is an agnostic is there way of assuming falsely that they are the apostles of God
I was doing a share In the rooms so so nervous and anxious, I couldn't get the words out, they put up the yellow card to shut me up after I minute, apparently Aa will love you until you lve yourself bullshit.😅🙊👀🤷♀️
It is really a place for the popular in crowd to get a chance to get on their soapbox and blabber about their own importance. Everyone else is just in the way and supposed to be dazzled by their presence.
i think i was addicted to the social aspect.im new here so i wanted decent friends and i used to hang out @ the local clubhouse,i helped with rebuilding and did other service work because it seemed like good comraderie.i never once read the book and had a sponsor for about 2 weeks ( :D).i was leary about Bill W. since day 1 so i didnt really follow but once i found the Orange Papers i couldnt sit in a meeting.the occultism ,the atitudes of people ,stalking,and the people at the meeting just gave me a bad vibe.So once the only guy i really talked to left ,there was no reason to stay.ive done enough for that club and theres no way id ever beleive that Bill Wilsons religion wasnt a cult.
Victor, I remember a quote that stuck with me from the OP, "AA is throw away therapy, for throw away people.". AA is loved by the powers that be, because it costs nothing. I grew up with a girl that became a social worker. More times than not, she sent clients to AA. The hope was they'd get something out of it and change. As I was writing this, a thought jumped into my head. I have an aunt whose 2nd husband is a WASP from NY (I strongly suspect he's part of that whole "Yale Thing)---he even graduated from Yale. He's thoroughly addicted to AA, and is insufferable. He once showed me this coffee table book featuring Alano Clubs from across the US. Of course, these clubs were idyllic. Having been to meetings in a few states, I can say nearly all Alano Clubs were depressing, dirty, usually dated, and not at all nice. If Alano Clubs were any other business, I wouldn't even have set foot in one of them.
@quackaholicsanonymous7210 I'm sure you and the rest of your audience heard a variation of this, "Life is what happens between meetings.". Something you said triggered another memory, regarding gurus giving Xanax to girls. There was a guy in my old home group who was originally from KY (and couldn't go back). He learned everything he could about "recovery" (having been sent by his parents to go to Hazelden) and became a highly successful pimp/heroin dealer. The gurus explained his behavior away with the trite phrase, "Some of us are sicker than others.". Don't leave before the miracle!
They have a ready made excuse for everyone of their twisted schemes and lies. However, if a person drinks again, they are ready to torment that person with their, "Guess you did not want it bad enough, you just were not willing, your EGO, your PRIDE" Another example of the bastards wanting things to be both ways.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210It really is a "Heads I win, tails you lose" proposition. You ever met one of those old timer gurus with decades of sobriety, that seems to do nothing but attend meetings and/or lives in the Alano Club?
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo And they seem to live such empty shallow lives that are comprised of being mean spirited and bullying and basking in praise they get from saying all the AA cult slogans in shares.
Great video, Victor. I saw that Hubberman/therapist video and had a fit. Is that going to be the story now that the fact that aa is a cult is gaining momentum? I hope not!
I just think it is insane that we are going to give up and say, "HEY IT IS A CULT ! THAT IS WHY ITS GOOD, EVERYONE GETS ADDICTED TO SOMETHING ! " The answer is no, everyone does not HAVE to get addicted to something. I would think the goal of life is to live as free and happy as one can be. How happy can you be with a diagnosis that states : Well you are always addicted to something, so drink yourself to death or go to AA and get addicted to that ?
@@BlueButterfly-mw8ld Indeed, the cult mentality is a false dichotomy. It is either THIS way or it is THAT way, without room for nuances, variables and all the other factors. Plus, the video kept talking about "people addicted" as if everyone who is addicted is the same. That is also a sweeping generalization and not even remotely helpful. It is also very untrue. More modern research is starting to admit, that there is a wide spectrum to addiction and many variables as to why people become addicted.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 addiction is part of the human condition. I say that everyone is addicted to something. The people who gave me the most sh$t about my drinking alcohol were addicted to food, either overeaters or bulimic. Right now, I am hooked on watching TH-cam videos, lol.
And none of what the cult is teaching people is based in any typoe of reality. People are sucked into it, believing and being taught lies. There is no situation like this that I can think of, where it is better to lie to desperate people than to tell them the truth.
This ex-rehab guy, who lived at another of my landlord's duplexes, went fucked and caused CDN$24,000 damage, to this basement suite (which had also been recently fully renovated). He broke three windows, sprayed bear repellent all over the place and started 'a small bonfire,' according to my landlord, whom I had lunch with, yesterday.
@ShannonFreng Just wondering if the Sober Housing racket is prevalent in Canada? If I had no scrooples, I'd start a chain of them. I knew this guy who had three sober houses, but ended up moving to Thailand with his mail order wife. Municipalities are cracking down, as no one wants one in their neighborhood.
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo Give me some time, and I'll research it. Offhand, I don't know the degree of it's prevalence, here. I'm in Edmonton, Alberta, so I have quite an experience with this one charity's (Hope Mission) rehab, which I'll elaborate upon, later in this thread. My landlord owns three duplexes that he's mostly rented to ex-rehab guys (his pat-time property manager works at it), but they've really been run as SLH's. I'll get back to you.
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo I looked for stories about SLH rackets, here in Canada, but could only find it in the US. My only experience with this subject, is with this Christian social care agency (Hope Mission), here in Edmonton, Alberta, and the rehabs it runs. It does provide some limited post-rehab housing, but the real reason it started it, was only for two reasons: government funding (which mostly gets redirected to other areas) and as a free labour force. Its rehab program consisted of only 20% programming (of a very vapid, tokenistic nature). The rest of it was just free labour ('service work'), mostly janitorial, etc. My landlord isn't running any SLHs, per se, but merely has this guy who works for the Hope's rehab, who supplies him with all these ex-rehab types, for tenants. At my place alone, in the last four years, I had four of them booted, as they were nothing but pains in the cunt. I'd say his success rate with them, is not great. At my duplex, it's only 20%; at one of his others, it's 75%. It's too early to evaluate the third one.
Could you do a video on RFK Jr? He's a recovering 14-yr heroin addict and attends (9) 12-step meetings a week. He wants medicaid funding to go towards rehab facilities.
@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Awesome! Yeah, I was looking into some of his ideas because he mentioned that T2 diabetes is a ticking time bomb that's about to explode. I definitely agree on that point. But when I looked into him further, I definitely don't think he's fit to run for president. If you have an email, I can forward you over an article about him on the LA Times.
I understand some scientific theories because I went to school and my husband is an engineer. I just have to ask him!!! Lol!!! I think we should focus on medical facts.
I don't know if you've ever seen this (maybe when you were a little kid watching Star Trek reruns after you got home from elementary school). There was this original Star Trek episode called "The Return of the Archons", in which the Star Trek crew (Kirk, and Spock, Dr. McCoy, and Mr. Sulu) get trapped on a planet run by a planet-wide Cult, that worships and lives according to the rules of the great guru "Landru". Everyone is fake and mind controlled, nobody can think for themselves, except a handful of people who "evade the commands of Landru" and hide their true feelings. The Cult destroyed an earlier vessel called the Archon, and are bent on destroying the Enterprise too, so Kirk and Spock have to use Reason and Logic to stop it. "The Return of the Archons", one the most popular episodes ever of Star Trek (was even redone in a later Star Trek series, but without the greater Cult theme), apparently did have some relation to Alcoholics Anonymous. This was about 1967, when AA was gaining ascendancy politically in the US as "the solution" to alcohol addiction, and apparently either Gene Roddenberry (the creator of Trek, known for episodes of problem drinking) or the writer Rick Berman had had a terrible experience with mind control at AA and also possibly Scientology too I think, so they produced this episode. Maybe you could find out more about it; because I'm not exactly sure of the details. But it's definitely a deep dive into the Cult mentality, and the reason why "Return of the Archons" was considered one the best social commentaries the original series ever made. Here's a link to a short of it: th-cam.com/video/Hu1Pm9excUE/w-d-xo.html Landru (Bill W.) says, "You have invaded the body, you must be destroyed, some must die, so that others might live". LMAO
I totally remember that now. It sums up AA perfectly. I will have to look into the details of that episode at a later time. I do remember reading somewhere, that Roddenberry caught some flack, for the show lacking any religion and had said that he did not believe religion would exist in a 23rd century world.
It enrages me that bill Wilson misquoted CG Jung to give his big book credibility when he didn’t even know what Jung says about Ego and it’s dysfunctional relationship with addiction. The 12 steps is actually counter productive to Jungian philosophy and therapy. This is why it doesn’t work. th-cam.com/video/w-tn5z8TBss/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LlDE6Nd3dYMoH2qH
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Link to the video I am talking about :
th-cam.com/video/zpnvtNBeY1Y/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=FitRecovery
Bro, you are hillarious with your delivery. I was an extremely active in AA and sober for 4.5 years. I had many bad experiences and some positive ones. I can affirm a lot of what you said and can tell that you, too, have a lot of experience in AA.
I saw the podcast segment you are referring to and also found it odd. I stepped away and moved out of state. No one reached out to me. I tried calling some "friends" I had made, people I spent significant time with in and outside of meetings. They were unavailable to me. I recently moved back to my home state and attended a few meetings I used to attend. People who knew me expected me to be having a difficult time and a ruined life, but I'm generally fine. One woman told me that I was "just some newcomer that thinks they know something and is going to go get drunk." I discussed with someone else that I felt very alone and was upset that I wasn't able to maintain any friendships and was told "well, you left!" That was two nights ago.
My experience over the last couple of weeks have made it clear to me that I no longer have a place or interest in the cult. I will say that I was able to experience some personal growth in a time of need, but I have exhausted that resource.
Fabulous as always! I have had a much harder time recovering from 12 step than I had recovering from my decade long Iv dope addiction. 12 step had me believing some really messed up things about myself. The biggest lie is that there’s freedom in the program, when I left that program, that’s when I found true freedom 🎉
Awww I just got to the part where you shouted me out, thank you! I’m back to trying to upload again. I go through spurts trying to post more regular like you do!!
@@Burnthestigma420 That short video was so spot on, AA SAYS THAT IS NOT SOBRIETY !! Like AA gets to decide what is sobriety and what it is not. A group with a horrible failure rate and not grounded in any sort of reality at all.
@Burnthestigma420
If you've ever seen those Dawa preachers (Muslims discussing the Kora) they promote a "freedom" completely different than the western sense of the word. Their idea of "freedom" is being faithful to Allah and praising Mohammed. The Islamic sense of "freedom", seems to be similar to AA's.
Thank you so much for your videos bro. I suffered so much IN AA. Biggest hipocrites in the world. Never been so free ever since i stopped going
It is ironic, AA promises us all this freedom, but I never experienced freedom, from both alcohol and the misery, until I left AA forever.
Getting addicted to xa a good thing??? Hell no!!!. By the time I broke free, I had lost my ability to think for myself and had become a magnet for narcissists outside the program. I was hanging with some people in an art club Sunday, and we had all been affected by a local artist who has serially maligned people who won't put up with her abuse. It occurs to me I encountered this woman straight after I left xa, was vulnerable and not in the best place to he discerning.
No one should ever deserve to have their freedom of thought taken away from them like I had.😢😢😢😢😢
@@patforden-kc6xn I couldn't agree more, there is no good outcome, for people to surrender their life to predators that dominate a religious cult like AA
My questions for big book thumpers are as follows: if we put stock in the disease model in order to remove the moral stigma and shame from an individual’s struggle with compulsive behaviors related to substances, then what is the purpose of a moral inventory if not to invoke shame? Follow up questions: is a “spiritual awakening” quantifiable, and if not, how can it be guaranteed? How do you know that “addiction” is lifelong, and do you think that committing to the identity of alcoholic/addict is connected to this pessimistic projected outcome? If one of the core motivational phrases is “progress, not perfection,” then why is strict abstinence both expected and used as a yardstick for failure-and why does a person have to hand in their chips and start from Step 1 if they do “slip”? This implies that their progress means nothing. So my final question is: if perfection is both expected _and_ meaningless, and any amount of progress doesn’t actually matter, what’s the point of the program at all? I have far more questions than these and I know I won’t get any answers, but the contradictions abound and since steppers are discouraged from critical thinking, I might as well ask for them while I’m here-please forgive my long winded essaying, lol. Appreciate your insights as always, Victor! ✌🏼
Excellent points. I'll try to read them aloud in one of the next videos.
Oh My God. Completely spot on. Well said xxx
th-cam.com/video/sUbGY6gdUzE/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
The point I wanted to make is “rejecting AA does not mean rejecting God” the groupers dismiss anyone who leaves mother group is an agnostic is there way of assuming falsely that they are the apostles of God
@Cosmic1946 Your comments were for tonight's video. Love the cat in the picture by the way. I think cats are more therapeutic than AA cult meetings.
Another big thumbs up!
I was doing a share In the rooms so so nervous and anxious, I couldn't get the words out, they put up the yellow card to shut me up after I minute, apparently Aa will love you until you lve yourself bullshit.😅🙊👀🤷♀️
It is really a place for the popular in crowd to get a chance to get on their soapbox and blabber about their own importance. Everyone else is just in the way and supposed to be dazzled by their presence.
You can’t tell me there’s no difference weed and shooting up heroine. But NA says they’re the same.😊
i think i was addicted to the social aspect.im new here so i wanted decent friends and i used to hang out @ the local clubhouse,i helped with rebuilding and did other service work because it seemed like good comraderie.i never once read the book and had a sponsor for about 2 weeks ( :D).i was leary about Bill W. since day 1 so i didnt really follow but once i found the Orange Papers i couldnt sit in a meeting.the occultism ,the atitudes of people ,stalking,and the people at the meeting just gave me a bad vibe.So once the only guy i really talked to left ,there was no reason to stay.ive done enough for that club and theres no way id ever beleive that Bill Wilsons religion wasnt a cult.
Thank you again..A'HO INIT
Victor,
I remember a quote that stuck with me from the OP, "AA is throw away therapy, for throw away people.". AA is loved by the powers that be, because it costs nothing. I grew up with a girl that became a social worker. More times than not, she sent clients to AA. The hope was they'd get something out of it and change.
As I was writing this, a thought jumped into my head. I have an aunt whose 2nd husband is a WASP from NY (I strongly suspect he's part of that whole "Yale Thing)---he even graduated from Yale. He's thoroughly addicted to AA, and is insufferable. He once showed me this coffee table book featuring Alano Clubs from across the US. Of course, these clubs were idyllic. Having been to meetings in a few states, I can say nearly all Alano Clubs were depressing, dirty, usually dated, and not at all nice. If Alano Clubs were any other business, I wouldn't even have set foot in one of them.
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo that was my experience from those sorts of places as well
@quackaholicsanonymous7210
I'm sure you and the rest of your audience heard a variation of this, "Life is what happens between meetings.".
Something you said triggered another memory, regarding gurus giving Xanax to girls. There was a guy in my old home group who was originally from KY (and couldn't go back). He learned everything he could about "recovery" (having been sent by his parents to go to Hazelden) and became a highly successful pimp/heroin dealer.
The gurus explained his behavior away with the trite phrase, "Some of us are sicker than others.". Don't leave before the miracle!
They have a ready made excuse for everyone of their twisted schemes and lies. However, if a person drinks again, they are ready to torment that person with their, "Guess you did not want it bad enough, you just were not willing, your EGO, your PRIDE" Another example of the bastards wanting things to be both ways.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210It really is a "Heads I win, tails you lose" proposition. You ever met one of those old timer gurus with decades of sobriety, that seems to do nothing but attend meetings and/or lives in the Alano Club?
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo And they seem to live such empty shallow lives that are comprised of being mean spirited and bullying and basking in praise they get from saying all the AA cult slogans in shares.
Great video, Victor. I saw that Hubberman/therapist video and had a fit. Is that going to be the story now that the fact that aa is a cult is gaining momentum? I hope not!
I just think it is insane that we are going to give up and say, "HEY IT IS A CULT ! THAT IS WHY ITS GOOD, EVERYONE GETS ADDICTED TO SOMETHING ! "
The answer is no, everyone does not HAVE to get addicted to something. I would think the goal of life is to live as free and happy as one can be. How happy can you be with a diagnosis that states : Well you are always addicted to something, so drink yourself to death or go to AA and get addicted to that ?
It's not an either/or situation. That's the cult mentality.
@@BlueButterfly-mw8ld Indeed, the cult mentality is a false dichotomy. It is either THIS way or it is THAT way, without room for nuances, variables and all the other factors.
Plus, the video kept talking about "people addicted" as if everyone who is addicted is the same. That is also a sweeping generalization and not even remotely helpful. It is also very untrue. More modern research is starting to admit, that there is a wide spectrum to addiction and many variables as to why people become addicted.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 addiction is part of the human condition. I say that everyone is addicted to something. The people who gave me the most sh$t about my drinking alcohol were addicted to food, either overeaters or bulimic. Right now, I am hooked on watching TH-cam videos, lol.
If it works for you fabulous but it's not going to work for everyone and they are so judgemental
And none of what the cult is teaching people is based in any typoe of reality. People are sucked into it, believing and being taught lies. There is no situation like this that I can think of, where it is better to lie to desperate people than to tell them the truth.
This ex-rehab guy, who lived at another of my landlord's duplexes, went fucked and caused CDN$24,000 damage, to this basement suite (which had also been recently fully renovated). He broke three windows, sprayed bear repellent all over the place and started 'a small bonfire,' according to my landlord, whom I had lunch with, yesterday.
@ShannonFreng
Just wondering if the Sober Housing racket is prevalent in Canada? If I had no scrooples, I'd start a chain of them. I knew this guy who had three sober houses, but ended up moving to Thailand with his mail order wife. Municipalities are cracking down, as no one wants one in their neighborhood.
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo Give me some time, and I'll research it. Offhand, I don't know the degree of it's prevalence, here. I'm in Edmonton, Alberta, so I have quite an experience with this one charity's (Hope Mission) rehab, which I'll elaborate upon, later in this thread. My landlord owns three duplexes that he's mostly rented to ex-rehab guys (his pat-time property manager works at it), but they've really been run as SLH's. I'll get back to you.
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo I looked for stories about SLH rackets, here in Canada, but could only find it in the US. My only experience with this subject, is with this Christian social care agency (Hope Mission), here in Edmonton, Alberta, and the rehabs it runs. It does provide some limited post-rehab housing, but the real reason it started it, was only for two reasons: government funding (which mostly gets redirected to other areas) and as a free labour force. Its rehab program consisted of only 20% programming (of a very vapid, tokenistic nature). The rest of it was just free labour ('service work'), mostly janitorial, etc.
My landlord isn't running any SLHs, per se, but merely has this guy who works for the Hope's rehab, who supplies him with all these ex-rehab types, for tenants. At my place alone, in the last four years, I had four of them booted, as they were nothing but pains in the cunt. I'd say his success rate with them, is not great. At my duplex, it's only 20%; at one of his others, it's 75%. It's too early to evaluate the third one.
And some people get off hard drugs by drinking which I believe is an improvement
Absolutely. It is really none of the cult's business, how people choose to deal with their problems.
Could you do a video on RFK Jr? He's a recovering 14-yr heroin addict and attends (9) 12-step meetings a week. He wants medicaid funding to go towards rehab facilities.
@@AnnLaustsen87 I will have to look into that and prepare for that topic, I have a couple of different topics lined up for the next couple of weeks.
But that is an excellent idea for a topic. We need to expose how these cult members are behind the way the government treats addiction.
@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Awesome!
Yeah, I was looking into some of his ideas because he mentioned that T2 diabetes is a ticking time bomb that's about to explode. I definitely agree on that point.
But when I looked into him further, I definitely don't think he's fit to run for president. If you have an email, I can forward you over an article about him on the LA Times.
I understand some scientific theories because I went to school and my husband is an engineer. I just have to ask him!!! Lol!!! I think we should focus on medical facts.
I don't know if you've ever seen this (maybe when you were a little kid watching Star Trek reruns after you got home from elementary school). There was this original Star Trek episode called "The Return of the Archons", in which the Star Trek crew (Kirk, and Spock, Dr. McCoy, and Mr. Sulu) get trapped on a planet run by a planet-wide Cult, that worships and lives according to the rules of the great guru "Landru".
Everyone is fake and mind controlled, nobody can think for themselves, except a handful of people who "evade the commands of Landru" and hide their true feelings. The Cult destroyed an earlier vessel called the Archon, and are bent on destroying the Enterprise too, so Kirk and Spock have to use Reason and Logic to stop it.
"The Return of the Archons", one the most popular episodes ever of Star Trek (was even redone in a later Star Trek series, but without the greater Cult theme), apparently did have some relation to Alcoholics Anonymous. This was about 1967, when AA was gaining ascendancy politically in the US as "the solution" to alcohol addiction, and apparently either Gene Roddenberry (the creator of Trek, known for episodes of problem drinking) or the writer Rick Berman had had a terrible experience with mind control at AA and also possibly Scientology too I think, so they produced this episode.
Maybe you could find out more about it; because I'm not exactly sure of the details. But it's definitely a deep dive into the Cult mentality, and the reason why "Return of the Archons" was considered one the best social commentaries the original series ever made.
Here's a link to a short of it: th-cam.com/video/Hu1Pm9excUE/w-d-xo.html
Landru (Bill W.) says, "You have invaded the body, you must be destroyed, some must die, so that others might live". LMAO
I totally remember that now. It sums up AA perfectly. I will have to look into the details of that episode at a later time.
I do remember reading somewhere, that Roddenberry caught some flack, for the show lacking any religion and had said that he did not believe religion would exist in a 23rd century world.
You don’t look like Elmer Fudd!!! Lol!!! You are handsome!!
I think he's handsome too. Smart as a whip as well and that dialect is striking.
It enrages me that bill Wilson misquoted CG Jung to give his big book credibility when he didn’t even know what Jung says about Ego and it’s dysfunctional relationship with addiction. The 12 steps is actually counter productive to Jungian philosophy and therapy. This is why it doesn’t work. th-cam.com/video/w-tn5z8TBss/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LlDE6Nd3dYMoH2qH