Jsd just had it all in his very last argument of this debate... One thing to be noted is Saurabh Kirpal was quite calm while making his argument and the same goes with JSD. But the thing that looks a bit cringe is that the moderator was not actually a mediator but herself a party. And then also JSD handled double opponents quite efficiently.👏👏
This correct, the agenda of this show was completely different, the moderate remembered that she is the moderator everything Sai handled her good, Kripal was very calm, polite and respectful while putting his point as he is also as knowledgeable about the matter as Sai is, this moderator was a show off
he couldn't upload arguments Domains of Discussion 1. Legislature competency - 35% of voter backed party decide for 100% population - about centralized position = 95% of the budget is not discussed - Committees are not formed for discussion - Minority = 3.5 Cr EWS still availing 10% reservation aren't they the minority? - about marriage = that is a technical problem, but should it be the reason to not uphold people's fundamental rights? - When Mr. Deepak can't answer a question he will ask another question, for example- on the will of society. 26:00 - Mr. Kripal = If SC is competent in matters of IP then they are very much Competent in same-sex issues if they are competent in reservation issues then they are in this also - How competent is legislature 233/539 MP have criminal cases against them not civil, criminal. rest do the math. - about how inclusive leg is = how much discussion was upheld while passing farmer laws, 50% of the population was a stakeholder in it. 2. Religious angle - 35:00 - Mr. Kripal never said that the judiciary doesn't make mistakes, when did he say so ? - Mr. Sai couldn't answer religious arguments, hence asking a rhetorical question. and trying to beat around the bush. Rather than giving anti thesis to religious angle. 3. Individual rights v. community rights - marriage recognition of right within the jurisdiction of leg - Counterargument by Mr. Kripal (44:00) - Laws will evolve through leg, but should we wait for leg to do ? 4. Conservatism - not a party of discussion - Mr. Sai is arguing for the conservative position he has been given seat at the table.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3jNDA has 45% vote share,in a mutliparty democracy this is how its going to be,for 60 years congress decided everything despite not touching 50% vote share even once,you guys didn't crib back then
@@vedprabhudessai4989 you are absolutely correct when 45% vote share can decide for 100%. Then in matters of judiciary they can also decide for 100%. They don't have to open the debate for the entire population of India. And kindly, do rpy on other points as well. And it is not vs you and me or NDA and INC. it is about Mr. Sai unable to hold his arguments. And you calling him SuperMan. I'm also his fan, however lately i have realised vn he is in 1 to 1 conversation he falls flat. Monologue bahut aache dete hai vo. Kindly, give counter argument for other points as well.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j First of all,judiciary doesn't have the right to make laws,it's the legislative that frame laws,judiciary can only interpret the law and the constitution,so yh they don't have the right to decide for the people,legislature can over turn any of their decision like Rajiv did in triple talak case,or modi govt did in scst act which reverted back supmere courts changes in the act I don't know why Sai Deepak and Superman argument came in between,I was mere pointing the fact of that just because a party doesn't get more than 50% vote doesn't mean it won't have legitimacy to decide for 100%,it's a parliamentary system and not a presidential,one can have seperate debate over the merits and demerits of it.
@@vedprabhudessai4989 my brother I know what the law is. I am simply asking you that out of all the 4 pts that have been written, if you could give constructive criticism it would be better. Rather than making a cult out of person who couldn't upload his own opinion.
no. JSD couldnt Domains of Discussion 1. Legislature competency - 35% of voter backed party decide for 100% population - about centralized position = 95% of the budget is not discussed - Committees are not formed for discussion - Minority = 3.5 Cr EWS still availing 10% reservation aren't they the minority? - about marriage = that is a technical problem, but should it be the reason to not uphold people's fundamental rights? - When Mr. Deepak can't answer a question he will ask another question, for example- on the will of society. 26:00 - Mr. Kripal = If SC is competent in matters of IP then they are very much Competent in same-sex issues if they are competent in reservation issues then they are in this also - How competent is legislature 233/539 MP have criminal cases against them not civil, criminal. rest do the math. - about how inclusive leg is = how much discussion was upheld while passing farmer laws, 50% of the population was a stakeholder in it. 2. Religious angle - 35:00 - Mr. Kripal never said that the judiciary doesn't make mistakes, when did he say so ? - Mr. Sai couldn't answer religious arguments, hence asking a rhetorical question. and trying to beat around the bush. Rather than giving anti thesis to religious angle. 3. Individual rights v. community rights - marriage recognition of right within the jurisdiction of leg - Counterargument by Mr. Kripal (44:00) - Laws will evolve through leg, but should we wait for leg to do ? 4. Conservatism - not a party of discussion - Mr. Sai is arguing for the conservative position he has been given seat at the table.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j Good Lord, you are talking like we had all these solutions before and not now.JSD was very clear on his positions and infact like most people have commented ,the moderator was also biased though she was trying hard to sound fair. The biggest give away was when she tried to say that , the liberals and leftists should not be name called( anti national etc) when it is the liberal and left that calls patriots and nationalists as fascists and bigots etc. My point being that you cannot give an intellectual long reply and expect people to get convinced just because you think that you have laid it out like that. Have a good day and happy living in your Eldorado.
@@aparnabasera2470 i haven't replied intellectually at all. Just stated what the discussion was about in points. And added some facts. Kindly, you shine light upon how he nailed it. Bz i couldn't see. And i genuinely want to see the side where he nailed it.
24:34 Just look at the large Display screen. How sly of them to interpret a verse of Rigveda (don't know which one), to use it for their own Agenda. The "Varuna" and " Mitra" are NOT 'people' of same Sex. They are deities representing the forces of Nature who happen to have Same quality (either Feminine or masculine) who blessed Rishi Agastya and Vashishtha. Did they hire Devdutt Pattnaik to translate the Rig Veda? These are the same people who mock when we say Mata Kunti was blessed by various deities to give birth to Pandavas. And now they take shelter of the Rigveda? Haha 😆. And why the hell are they prompting the debate in between by showing images which suite their side. Kabhi camera zoom out karte hain display board dikhane ke liye kabhi puri screen hi dhak dete hain. Just focus on the stage. Why resort to lame tactics. 😑
Bharat and hinduphobic people, take something and misinterpret something as per their agenda and convenience, just like khajuraho has only 10% erotic sculptures but shown as if whole khajuraho temples like that. They defame krishna for 16108 wives dont accept he saved draupadi, they defame ram for agnipariksha dont aknowledge his war against ravan, for his 1 wife!
no, for this librandus forces of nature are physical however they believe jesus born as a vvirgin birth but pandav including karn were not vvirgin birth ---------typical librandus...
when he cant answer a question, he questions back. is he the custodian? when society accepts something judiciary must accept it. that's what he is arguing. It's other way around.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j it's not answering by asking question but it's establishing basic framework for argument, Framework being Changing the rules of republic on preferences of majority of country If you don't know things don't accuse others of anything
Hats off to Sai Deepak. It's pretty basic that legislation is prerogative of Parliament. Supreme court job is to interpret the law not make law. Period
History is a tapestry with many threads Some people i.e. Marxist chose a few threads to amplify their own agenda while obfuscating the rest of the tapestry
he couldn't uphold arguements. Domains of Discussion 1. Legislature competency - 35% of voter backed party decide for 100% population - about centralized position = 95% of the budget is not discussed - Committees are not formed for discussion - Minority = 3.5 Cr EWS still availing 10% reservation aren't they the minority? - about marriage = that is a technical problem, but should it be the reason to not uphold people's fundamental rights? - When Mr. Deepak can't answer a question he will ask another question, for example- on the will of society. 26:00 - Mr. Kripal = If SC is competent in matters of IP then they are very much Competent in same-sex issues if they are competent in reservation issues then they are in this also - How competent is legislature 233/539 MP have criminal cases against them not civil, criminal. rest do the math. - about how inclusive leg is = how much discussion was upheld while passing farmer laws, 50% of the population was a stakeholder in it. 2. Religious angle - 35:00 - Mr. Kripal never said that the judiciary doesn't make mistakes, when did he say so ? - Mr. Sai couldn't answer religious arguments, hence asking a rhetorical question. and trying to beat around the bush. Rather than giving anti thesis to religious angle. 3. Individual rights v. community rights - marriage recognition of right within the jurisdiction of leg - Counterargument by Mr. Kripal (44:00) - Laws will evolve through leg, but should we wait for leg to do ? 4. Conservatism - not a party of discussion - Mr. Sai is arguing for the conservative position he has been given seat at the table.
@@rakeshtiwari6484 brother I am here for healthy discussion. Why so much hate for dissent. If you have read 1984 of George Owell you will understand how passion is taking over reason. It's my humble request see closely the merit in dialogue rather than just passion in dialogue. Have a great day.
I wonder how you people read books. 1984 literally exposed the hypocrisy of the left which hates individual rights and freedom and puts ideology and power at the centre of society. The cancel culture of left pervades everyday society. What is hate speech is defined by those who can ! Remember doublespeak ? Right doesn't complain of hate speech. It is the left that will censor and cancel you if you don't toe the line on their globalist, borderless, godless, trans-sexual agenda ! Try hating on a pan-sexual lesbian man on any public platform without getting kicked out of your job ! But again I am wasting my time here. If the only thing u learnt from 1984 was hating on the government and power, ur mind is too immature. Now go rant more nonsense!
@@Asdfghjkl-w3ji do not have the patience to read you miles long comment... But I can see some very foolish logics in the very beginning of it. And as I can see some pages related to UPSC & CSAT in your subscriptions, so I am assuming you to be an educated & informed aspirant and highlighting the errors in your reply as a fellow aspirant. 1. When was the last time budget was discussed more than 5% in parliament? Ans. NEVER and possibly NOWHERE in the world. Budget of a 4 trillion economy being designed to be distributed over such a vast territory as India is a very lengthy and technical document. Which can not be discussed even 2-3% in one month period of budget session. Thats why we have Guillotine Motion where rest of 98-99% budget is passed at once. 2. When in the history any ruling party got more than 50% of votes? Ans. NEVER. In India we have First Pass the Post system , in which it is not necessary to have 50% votes to form govt. Present NDA coalition having more than 45% of polled votes is 2nd highest in Indian history behind only Janta party govt in 1977 election which got little overy 50% in that election. No Nehru or Gandhi ever got this much majority.
Saurbah kirpal is perfect case of our desi wokes. Just remind him that he is living in Islamic republic of bharat, has he ever thought of speak against waqf, minority act or define minority or Hindus living as 9th class citizen in bahart. He didn’t realise that as a society we accept and loves them, he is doing activism to prove his social creditional to his woke mates living in USA , uk and Europe or Indian elites who are totally disconnected from real ethos of Bharat 🙏 our judges are more becoming western trained activists and now snakes are in ganga. They want to have colonial level of power and thisnk they are from outer space. They are posters child of nepotism🙏
As Hindus we should feel proud that we are not puppet of a book, we think, we debate debate and we move forward. Please do not try make Hindus Islamic by following their horrible practices
Bro whatever u say sai was agreeing on the main point i.e. allow same sex marriage, but the difference was through the court and not throught the court. So by saying wrong to mr. saurab K i think bro ur doing wrong he was good with his arguments as well as sai. The difference between indian courts and us court is Indian courts can challenge the decision taken by legislative and executive but can’t promulgate a fresh one Whereas us courts can challenge the decision by legislators and executive plus can promulgate fresh orders and same happened in us during same sex marriage
@@anonymouscaveman8557 agree bro that both of them were civil and had a good arguments, I also don’t have any problems with same sec if society accepts it than who are we to go against the large portion of society. This change first needs to come from societal level than parliament maje the rule and than Supreme Court can interpret that rule. You can’t force shove or dump things on society direct through sup court. If this continue than in long run we will become the country dictated by Supreme Court dictators and all other pillar will stop functioning slowly as they wil be sacred from ultimate veto power of Supreme Court . 2nd - my only objection is Surabh ji bring irrelevant and false narratives on the debates like no women’s rights, dowry, caste, minorities etc. these are notions which are wrongly applied in India ( Hindus) if someone of saurabh ji stature keeps parroting these false notions in public and personal life than it’s impossible for us to fight against these narratives on worldwide academies level. There are actual groups who actively trying to fight against these biases in west and their job become hard when brown shahibs keep parting the colonial and west infused faultlines in public stages like these 3- host started with shankracharya debate story which was fantastic but after sometime she also becomes the part of the debate. She really need to watch the shankracharya debate to understand how this debate was actually conducted in reality. There is movie on shankarcharya South Indian movie dubbed in Hindi available in TH-cam for free now. Highly recommend for her to Atleast watch the debate part she will Learn a lot and can help her debate hosting skills Good English oral Skills should not be the only criteria to host these type of debates as this is important discussions and impact the societies. Hope bud you understand my concerns here. 🙏 Jai Bharat Jai sanatan
@@8PM-10AM well i'm on the indic side. Same as of you, but.... I'll reply u as not counters but conversation. So ur 3rr argument is that moderater was b.s and the whole shashtraarth pratha was just a leftist joomla to be relevant in the scene 1st argument: dont worry courts wont take the position that off mr. S k rather they would lay the foundation for further discussion in the society. Cause once the court announces a decision it will open doors for more ruckus... everyone will come to courte door and will ask them to pass orders(of legislative format) which the courts cant afford Ur 2nd argument: i would agree with mr.S k on thoee women rights, caste,..... Etc. Because, the courts are explicitly provided powers in the constitution to pronounce judgement on them and in the case of same sex marriage the courts were only allowed to deal on 377 and they did decriminalise it thats the maximum they can do. Its upto the legislative to give the courts power to pronounce a judgment on same sex marriage. So ghum fir ke sui legislative pe hi aa rhe hai. Dont worry nothing is going to happen.
Such a self defeating logic! If it's saurabh kirpal's good karma that he was born in 'Bharath', he's only demonstrating it..why do you have a problem with it 😂
As a moderator, the lady started off as a neutral but just couldn't hold for long being the leftist liberal she is, her sheep's clothing fell off cutting a sorry figure as a moderator. Sai in fact gave a parting punch when he mentioned about the posters put up asking him to go back from forums obviously by the so-called liberals. Also one gets a feeling the judiciary is raking off activism in their approach and utterances.
Shiv Nadar Foundation deliberately kept Sai's mic volume low so that people struggle to hear his arguments. And the Moderator kept forgetting she is a moderator and just wont let the discussants speak, kept interrupting. So desperate.
34:08 this is what I don’t like. Supreme Court wants to be legislature but since it can’t amend the constitution it wants to (dubiously) interpret it. And if you question these interpretations, then it’s contempt of court.
this chutiya supreme court opposes nupur sharma statement means this chutiya supremes court judges support bachchabazi and londa londiya business ( ssex sslavery)
unfortunately no Domains of Discussion 1. Legislature competency - 35% of voter backed party decide for 100% population - about centralized position = 95% of the budget is not discussed - Committees are not formed for discussion - Minority = 3.5 Cr EWS still availing 10% reservation aren't they the minority? - about marriage = that is a technical problem, but should it be the reason to not uphold people's fundamental rights? - When Mr. Deepak can't answer a question he will ask another question, for example- on the will of society. 26:00 - Mr. Kripal = If SC is competent in matters of IP then they are very much Competent in same-sex issues if they are competent in reservation issues then they are in this also - How competent is legislature 233/539 MP have criminal cases against them not civil, criminal. rest do the math. - about how inclusive leg is = how much discussion was upheld while passing farmer laws, 50% of the population was a stakeholder in it. 2. Religious angle - 35:00 - Mr. Kripal never said that the judiciary doesn't make mistakes, when did he say so ? - Mr. Sai couldn't answer religious arguments, hence asking a rhetorical question. and trying to beat around the bush. Rather than giving anti thesis to religious angle. 3. Individual rights v. community rights - marriage recognition of right within the jurisdiction of leg - Counterargument by Mr. Kripal (44:00) - Laws will evolve through leg, but should we wait for leg to do ? 4. Conservatism - not a party of discussion - Mr. Sai is arguing for the conservative position he has been given seat at the table.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j aren't you yourself mocking him now, doosri baat bhai jawaaab chahiye to ek sawaal ya argument rakh, tu poora paragraph chaap rha hai, kon ek ek point ka rebuttal de, koi itna vehla nhi bhai, me to kaam krte krte earphone me sun rha hoon.
@@rakeshtiwari6484 There are 4 pts of contention if you could read carefully, I have written in points, not paragraphs. kindly rebuke any of the 4 pts I would really like to know what I missed? and I have written it so bz I wanted to know what's in the issue. Since people are blindly following a speaker without being objective. you try to shine light upon me because I couldn't find much depth in his arguments.
One more thing he is comparing Indian right to western right which is totally incorrect. There is no right in India . India is dharmic wing vs commuislamism wing
Where is the dharmic wing? You mean BJP? They are on center left whereas khangress in extreme left. BJP is only pro hindu marketing not much pro hindu things on ground
@@mayanksinghfartiyal5290 not about political parties but people and their beliefs in general. Either you are a degenerate libtard like shoma or you are a dharmic individual. Politically the indic side has no representation
I observed that every single time the mediator received an impressive rebuttal from Sai she felt she needed help from the woke Mr. Saurabh. Either be a mediator or the "discussant" (the word she herself used to clarify her role)
As a Young Gay Individual from India, I feel very prideful and joyful see this conversation. A huge thankyou to Sai sir for having this conversation, a admire to you work here. And to Saurabh Sir, you are not just a voice but a very important voice all support and love for you. I feel seen today. And my hope on India that is Bharat grows even stronger.
One this to note in these leftist venues is that most audience are old or middle aged while in most hindutva fests the people are young, passionate and full of spirit. We will take bharat to the top
At one instance the waxing & waning phases of the moon are represented as gods Varuna & Mitra. On the new moon night offerings are made to these two gods, the seeding that is referred here is simply changing of the phase from dark to bright And there’s no sax involved at all. It’s quite common in the Vedic texts to represent celestial and ritual events metaphorically with gods.
well.. saurabh kirpal is the only person, I have ever found to be able to debate with JSD with some rock solid arguments... the debate was really nice..
Whenever I hear JSD it's always a great Experience he talks fact, ground reality and sense. Moderator was pathetic, biased and herself a party. She is not eager to hear but speaking constantly having mike near to her mouth. No wonder Johny Walker is amongst partners
The moderator was not doing her job properly, if she had to question Sai then she should have done an interview with him, they both were talking about issues unrelated to the debate topic most of the time, completely excluding Saurabh Kirpal. Expected better.
One best talk , I have heard in long time . This actually is our tradition shartratha ,debate debate and deliberate and decide. But not our challenges are on discussion table, lot of opponents are with swords I dont know can we come to terms
Eyeryone is Monster until J SAI enters the room ... truly I haven't seen any speaker with such strong logics, points and references in his debate which SAI does so effortlessly... in today's BHARAT I think he is just on the level of VIRAT KOHLI ...
This two on one debate is classic example of shitshow. The role of the anchor is to start the conversation with the opening remarks of both the stakeholders of a particular case. Then the follow up questions should be put up to each one of those with respect to their positions. After the closing remark of the debate given by both side, the word that any anchor should say is "thank you". On the contrary, she ended by using the classic left connotations like "fascist, right, tax agency and what not". The problem here is the anchor is out and out left leaning since congress times. The ideology of the Anchor have completely spoiled this debate. She brought certain aspects that suits her narrative. When she got it back on her face, she asked about the other religions on the same issue to cover up. For instance, she bought certain alleged historians into the debate that the leftist ideology doesn't have much space these days. But there is no data which supports her views. Each and every leftist has their own platform to express their opinion openly. When Sai answered the questions by quoting the instances of "brahmin go back" jibe/heckling on him, suddenly she asked Kripal to step in and she tried to hide behind him as she knew he will rip her argument apart. We have watched many of the interviews in the past in which she was the moderator. But she always did this with everyone who does not subscribe to her views/ideology. Subramaniam Swamy debates in Algebraic Conversations are classic examples which gives the evidence to her way of journalism. If she debates one on one with Sai, that would have exposed her in front of this same leftist audience. Kripal did a great job by engaging in civility. But Sai did this gracefully even having disadvantage of leftist biased anchor with one sided audience.
They thought they could corner JSD with 2 Vs 1. JSD left the person sitting on the left side of the moderator and smashed the arguments of the moderator herself. Brutal.. Esply when she tried to act liberal out of nowhere. 😂
Sai knows precisely how to be on point...she tried to do regular journalism...she saved herself by timely backing off. Journalists must not wrongly quote anyone ...must not make totally unrelated analogy to ask alien questions and make irrelevant deductions.
1:11:00 search for Chaitanya Kunte Barkha Dutt, Chaitanya Kunte proved that Coverage of 26/11 by Barkha Dutt & also by Rajdeep Sardesai helped Pakistani Islamic terrorist during attack,
Great J Sai. India need such brave souls to present Indic perspective correctly to the world. Moderator Shoma Chaudhary tried to down JSD. But he took her left and right and showed her actual position.
And again he is parotting the western agenda of caste. We believe in jati and every jati should take pride in their traditions and must take pride that they managed to fought back three wave of ideology which believe in total annihilation of others islam, Christians and communism and must fee proud in being Hindu or food from Sanatan dharma. I am From mochi jati and now understand that our jati lost financial hegemony during first in Islamic jajiya rule second after Industrial Revolution third when we become colony and lost access to manufacturing when Britishers criminalise Indian manufacturing and than lost access to markets where we can buy as Product and sell our products. Saurabh chacha ko thoda samjhao and ask him to Learn about basic economics based in which society, countries , tribes become poor and rich 🙏atleast read about gaund kingdom 🙏
If the Courts have constitutional obligation to decide & it is a part of Judges oath of office, then why did the Supreme Court rejected to take up Kashmir Pandits genocide issue
In the Vedas. In the Rigveda, the oldest of the Vedic texts, Mitra is mostly indistinguishable from Varuna, together with whom Mitra forms a dvandva pair Mitra-Varuna, and in which Mitra-Varuna has essentially the same characteristics as Varuna alone. agasthaya was born from a yajna whereas vashistha is brahmas son
MODERATOR WAS PATRONIZING, QUITE UNLIKE THE ROLE SHE WAS IN HOWEVER SHE WAS SO VERI POLITELY PUT TO PLACE WHERE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BY JSD. WHAT I ADMIRE IN HIM MOST, IS HIS ABILITY TO KILL WITHOUT VIOLENCE.
I don't understand why they always Target Sai with free speech, tax officer.. he is not bjp spokesperson...he is representing Indic wing...atleast hear him out....free speech guys just want to speak, they can't digest anyone else especially if their viewpoint is different...
Boy ! This woman haven’t changed a bit. She is still the same TARUN TEJ PAUL’S trained charlatan. Sai definitely won’t miss BARKHA DUTT after this interview.
Coming to the point the lady made in one of his arguments with respect to the instances where, in the past, many hindu Kings had multiple wives. Well, my question is, do hindus at large consider such polygamous kings exemplary?? No, we don't. Do we hindus, in general, draw inspiration from such kings and use it as an exemplar to justify such unions?? No, we don't, that's not how things work in Hinduism. What kind of logic was this?? I mean, even ravana was a hindu, and he did a lot of egregious crimes throughout his life, do hindus glorify or say take inspiration from him???
I agree with JSD. I like how saurabh is putting his opinions nicely and politely. I didn't liked the way mediator is stopping both the individuals repeatedly in between their speechs.
At the start of the debate, Sai Deepak said that "some people because of their inclinations take a very personalisation position and when they are not able to get what they want, decide to approach the court" or something to that effect. Saurabh Kripal proved him 😝
44:30 This is the moment that proves the point that the two lawyers are having a civil debate but the the moderator is just fanning the flames miss quoting Sai multiple occasions.
Very matured discussion. Saurabh Kripal was able to convey his perspective with clarity. JSD was as usual at his fiery best. But the discussion seem to veer away from the topic and kind of became left vs right. Thanks 'Shiv Nadar Foundation' for this discussion.
Watched it for JSD, but Mr. Saurabh did make some good points and admissions. He seemed to be a true liberal and the so called "moderator" seems to the one to be put in her place with the right arguments. Still feel, this is not JSD's best. But he always has those aces up his sleeve which can make him win the match.
Kudos for saurabh ji for remain calm and collective in this session apart from that he did everything to self loathe Hindus with other irrelevant issues. He started with no women rights than moved to minority than moved to dowry than involved left ideology. Some one told him that only Hindus gave more rights and respect to women than anyone else in the world , only give india minority rights without define minority %age and no western developed country has any special provisions or rules for minorities community and dowry is the concept given to us by Britisher he loved Wimbledon so I’m sure he must have watch downtown abbey and other British drama which show how important was dowry to British society 🙏
I like Sai very much and how he argues. And I am seriously impressed by Saurabh. I real wish him full joy in his life! As for the moderator, she js coming from a difficult position, ans I really don't think she was bad. Some of us differ on her views maybe, but she did not create any walls. So, everyone did express their views. Wish we had heard Saurabh more.
Moderator has forgot tat her job is to moderate not to take sides and derail the debate. Both sai deepak ji n kripal are right in their own way. But sai deepak ji makes lot more sense as he could unravel the fallacies of granting the legal rights in this particular and exposed the non expertise of judiciary in many issues. Sai Deepak ji is just brilliant 👏
He still stuck to the colonial education about caste. Someone teach him that caste is Portuguese. Bharat has varna system and fifth varna is dwiviz. Anyone allowed to changes their varna. And this varna system is only applicable to urban areas and rural and semi urban areas are free From this varna system. He didn’t realised that india was under seize or occupied by hostile religion forces from last 1400 years and every jati and varna did everything possible to save their jati, varna and dharma. 🙏
@@sundareshanal1849 agree mate but followers of distortion specialists irfan habib and his father, Romilla thapar run away from Discussions and on this topics. They loves to live in their own cocoon and if anyone question them than they take out global victim card and start crying 🙏
It may be so that caste is a foreign word, but unfortunately what we experience or are forced to experience is the same foreign concept of caste. Brahmin hai to janm se hi hoga, Obc hai to humesha hi rahega, sc st hai to humesha hi rahega. It is a stamp/mould/caste that we are fitted in from birth. How ironic, the very rigidity it was meant to curb it only made it probably even more rigid and permanent.🥲
JSD and Saurabh Kripal both are my fav. lawyers. JSD always has a very unique and reasonable opinion on any topic and also fights for the spirit of Bharat and also represent the Indic view as he said, and On the other hand, the calm and articulate Saurabh Kripal masterfully presented his well-founded arguments, embodying a composed demeanor throughout the discourse. JSD has argued in the context of same-sex marriage, eloquently exposing the perspective of a "fence seater" - someone who views matters subjectively rather than objectively and can't reach on any conclusion. But in this whole conversation a one who is behaving like a fence seater is the moderator because the moderator, though holding the role of mediator, inadvertently took on the mantle of a participant in the debate. Regrettably, the moderator seemed inadequately prepared to engage with such eminent legal minds from the Supreme Court, leading to a less than optimal balance in the proceedings. Which is also approved by her at the end of the conversation that "I don't think we arrived at any particular conclusion".🙂
Jsd just had it all in his very last argument of this debate... One thing to be noted is Saurabh Kirpal was quite calm while making his argument and the same goes with JSD. But the thing that looks a bit cringe is that the moderator was not actually a mediator but herself a party. And then also JSD handled double opponents quite efficiently.👏👏
Inhi ko mc anchor bola jata hai😹🤣
Jaise hi Deepak ji gyaan wapas dena start kiye waise hi akal aa gayi लौंडिया को😅😅
😂😂😂 keep JSD alone and park dozen against him , i believe this will be equality
This correct, the agenda of this show was completely different, the moderate remembered that she is the moderator everything Sai handled her good, Kripal was very calm, polite and respectful while putting his point as he is also as knowledgeable about the matter as Sai is, this moderator was a show off
Crux of this debate is that if you want any conclusion then in debate moderator should be unbiased 😂😂
She is peddling her own ideology and even trying to argue with Sai.
You are 100% right
Shoma Chaudhuri is showing her biased journalism
Guru Shankaracharya proved the ability of women and this Moderator is proving Him Wrong.
Exactly what I was going to say; whatever your view is, when a moderator you need to be unbiased.
Shoma exposed her biases despite her smooth and polished speaking style. This didn't deter Sai Deepak. Kudos to him!
SHOMA reminds me of BARKHA DUTT !!! Literally
she never hid her biases ....she made it very clear herself....you can not accuse someone of something that they have already confessed to.
@@arnabkundu3406
dude, you know what role she was supposed to play there?
MEDIATOR
you know what is the meaning of this word?
@@daddy2694mediator? I thought she is also one of a leftist.
Every time she's losing debate with Sai she remembers she's the mediater and Saurabh is the one arguing 😂
😅😂😊
The mediator is from left wing 😂😂 and JSD is our SuperMan don't mess with him 🙏
he couldn't upload arguments
Domains of Discussion
1. Legislature competency
- 35% of voter backed party decide for 100% population
- about centralized position = 95% of the budget is not discussed
- Committees are not formed for discussion
- Minority = 3.5 Cr EWS still availing 10% reservation aren't they the minority?
- about marriage = that is a technical problem, but should it be the reason to not uphold people's fundamental rights?
- When Mr. Deepak can't answer a question he will ask another question, for example- on the will of society. 26:00
- Mr. Kripal = If SC is competent in matters of IP then they are very much Competent in same-sex issues if they are competent in reservation issues then they are in this also
- How competent is legislature 233/539 MP have criminal cases against them not civil, criminal. rest do the math.
- about how inclusive leg is = how much discussion was upheld while passing farmer laws, 50% of the population was a stakeholder in it.
2. Religious angle
- 35:00
- Mr. Kripal never said that the judiciary doesn't make mistakes, when did he say so ?
- Mr. Sai couldn't answer religious arguments, hence asking a rhetorical question. and trying to beat around the bush. Rather than giving anti thesis to religious angle.
3. Individual rights v. community rights
- marriage recognition of right within the jurisdiction of leg
- Counterargument by Mr. Kripal (44:00)
- Laws will evolve through leg, but should we wait for leg to do ?
4. Conservatism
- not a party of discussion
- Mr. Sai is arguing for the conservative position he has been given seat at the table.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3jNDA has 45% vote share,in a mutliparty democracy this is how its going to be,for 60 years congress decided everything despite not touching 50% vote share even once,you guys didn't crib back then
@@vedprabhudessai4989 you are absolutely correct when 45% vote share can decide for 100%. Then in matters of judiciary they can also decide for 100%. They don't have to open the debate for the entire population of India.
And kindly, do rpy on other points as well. And it is not vs you and me or NDA and INC. it is about Mr. Sai unable to hold his arguments. And you calling him SuperMan. I'm also his fan, however lately i have realised vn he is in 1 to 1 conversation he falls flat. Monologue bahut aache dete hai vo.
Kindly, give counter argument for other points as well.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j First of all,judiciary doesn't have the right to make laws,it's the legislative that frame laws,judiciary can only interpret the law and the constitution,so yh they don't have the right to decide for the people,legislature can over turn any of their decision like Rajiv did in triple talak case,or modi govt did in scst act which reverted back supmere courts changes in the act
I don't know why Sai Deepak and Superman argument came in between,I was mere pointing the fact of that just because a party doesn't get more than 50% vote doesn't mean it won't have legitimacy to decide for 100%,it's a parliamentary system and not a presidential,one can have seperate debate over the merits and demerits of it.
@@vedprabhudessai4989 my brother I know what the law is. I am simply asking you that out of all the 4 pts that have been written, if you could give constructive criticism it would be better.
Rather than making a cult out of person who couldn't upload his own opinion.
JSD nails it each time..God bless him
no. JSD couldnt
Domains of Discussion
1. Legislature competency
- 35% of voter backed party decide for 100% population
- about centralized position = 95% of the budget is not discussed
- Committees are not formed for discussion
- Minority = 3.5 Cr EWS still availing 10% reservation aren't they the minority?
- about marriage = that is a technical problem, but should it be the reason to not uphold people's fundamental rights?
- When Mr. Deepak can't answer a question he will ask another question, for example- on the will of society. 26:00
- Mr. Kripal = If SC is competent in matters of IP then they are very much Competent in same-sex issues if they are competent in reservation issues then they are in this also
- How competent is legislature 233/539 MP have criminal cases against them not civil, criminal. rest do the math.
- about how inclusive leg is = how much discussion was upheld while passing farmer laws, 50% of the population was a stakeholder in it.
2. Religious angle
- 35:00
- Mr. Kripal never said that the judiciary doesn't make mistakes, when did he say so ?
- Mr. Sai couldn't answer religious arguments, hence asking a rhetorical question. and trying to beat around the bush. Rather than giving anti thesis to religious angle.
3. Individual rights v. community rights
- marriage recognition of right within the jurisdiction of leg
- Counterargument by Mr. Kripal (44:00)
- Laws will evolve through leg, but should we wait for leg to do ?
4. Conservatism
- not a party of discussion
- Mr. Sai is arguing for the conservative position he has been given seat at the table.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j Good Lord, you are talking like we had all these solutions before and not now.JSD was very clear on his positions and infact like most people have commented ,the moderator was also biased though she was trying hard to sound fair.
The biggest give away was when she tried to say that , the liberals and leftists should not be name called( anti national etc) when it is the liberal and left that calls patriots and nationalists as fascists and bigots etc.
My point being that you cannot give an intellectual long reply and expect people to get convinced just because you think that you have laid it out like that.
Have a good day and happy living in your Eldorado.
@@aparnabasera2470 i haven't replied intellectually at all. Just stated what the discussion was about in points. And added some facts.
Kindly, you shine light upon how he nailed it. Bz i couldn't see. And i genuinely want to see the side where he nailed it.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j JSD fans don't listen to his arguments. They just wanna see him win rhetorically
@@animeking17 yes brother. You are right. It is unfortunate that a SC lawyer is an agent in spreading propoganda.
literally tight slap to journnalist!!!! Man JSD is a genius.
24:34 Just look at the large Display screen. How sly of them to interpret a verse of Rigveda (don't know which one), to use it for their own Agenda.
The "Varuna" and " Mitra" are NOT 'people' of same Sex. They are deities representing the forces of Nature who happen to have Same quality (either Feminine or masculine) who blessed Rishi Agastya and Vashishtha. Did they hire Devdutt Pattnaik to translate the Rig Veda?
These are the same people who mock when we say Mata Kunti was blessed by various deities to give birth to Pandavas. And now they take shelter of the Rigveda? Haha 😆.
And why the hell are they prompting the debate in between by showing images which suite their side. Kabhi camera zoom out karte hain display board dikhane ke liye kabhi puri screen hi dhak dete hain.
Just focus on the stage. Why resort to lame tactics. 😑
You are absolutely right brother 👌, I was also wondering that they uses Hinduism when it fits to their agenda.
Bharat and hinduphobic people, take something and misinterpret something as per their agenda and convenience, just like khajuraho has only 10% erotic sculptures but shown as if whole khajuraho temples like that. They defame krishna for 16108 wives dont accept he saved draupadi, they defame ram for agnipariksha dont aknowledge his war against ravan, for his 1 wife!
Excellent observation
Reminds me of Rajeev Malhotra's new book
no, for this librandus forces of nature are physical however they believe jesus born as a vvirgin birth but pandav including karn were not vvirgin birth ---------typical librandus...
26:30 -29:00 Shoma thought she could trap JSD but JSD trapped Shoma to the point of no return 😂
Wow JSD is genius 🙏🤙🏻🤘🏻
Iski bhi shorts viral hoti dikh rahi hai mujhe😂
she didn't know how to answer, what a slap to her and what a man really
Thanks for marking the video. Kudos!
when he cant answer a question, he questions back. is he the custodian?
when society accepts something judiciary must accept it. that's what he is arguing. It's other way around.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j it's not answering by asking question but it's establishing basic framework for argument,
Framework being Changing the rules of republic on preferences of majority of country
If you don't know things don't accuse others of anything
Hats off to Sai Deepak. It's pretty basic that legislation is prerogative of Parliament. Supreme court job is to interpret the law not make law. Period
JSD debates Soma and wins, wonderful moderation by kripal
🤣🤣🤣 Good one
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
44:00 wtf
Shoma Chaudhury putting words in JSD's mouth,
This is disgusting moderation of any debate
Meditator herself is biased she better suited as part of audience 🙏
Atleast she's not a hindu fanatic which is a great improvement.
@@yj9032 still biased
@@yj9032Maybe peaceful terrorist
@@yj9032religious fanatics are better than liberal fanatics whose life is inherently sad and pointless.
History is a tapestry with many threads
Some people i.e. Marxist chose a few threads to amplify their own agenda while obfuscating the rest of the tapestry
Watched only for Sai Deepak roasting Hypocrites in his own way
he couldn't uphold arguements.
Domains of Discussion
1. Legislature competency
- 35% of voter backed party decide for 100% population
- about centralized position = 95% of the budget is not discussed
- Committees are not formed for discussion
- Minority = 3.5 Cr EWS still availing 10% reservation aren't they the minority?
- about marriage = that is a technical problem, but should it be the reason to not uphold people's fundamental rights?
- When Mr. Deepak can't answer a question he will ask another question, for example- on the will of society. 26:00
- Mr. Kripal = If SC is competent in matters of IP then they are very much Competent in same-sex issues if they are competent in reservation issues then they are in this also
- How competent is legislature 233/539 MP have criminal cases against them not civil, criminal. rest do the math.
- about how inclusive leg is = how much discussion was upheld while passing farmer laws, 50% of the population was a stakeholder in it.
2. Religious angle
- 35:00
- Mr. Kripal never said that the judiciary doesn't make mistakes, when did he say so ?
- Mr. Sai couldn't answer religious arguments, hence asking a rhetorical question. and trying to beat around the bush. Rather than giving anti thesis to religious angle.
3. Individual rights v. community rights
- marriage recognition of right within the jurisdiction of leg
- Counterargument by Mr. Kripal (44:00)
- Laws will evolve through leg, but should we wait for leg to do ?
4. Conservatism
- not a party of discussion
- Mr. Sai is arguing for the conservative position he has been given seat at the table.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j you are spamming
@@rakeshtiwari6484 brother I am here for healthy discussion. Why so much hate for dissent. If you have read 1984 of George Owell you will understand how passion is taking over reason.
It's my humble request see closely the merit in dialogue rather than just passion in dialogue. Have a great day.
I wonder how you people read books. 1984 literally exposed the hypocrisy of the left which hates individual rights and freedom and puts ideology and power at the centre of society. The cancel culture of left pervades everyday society. What is hate speech is defined by those who can ! Remember doublespeak ? Right doesn't complain of hate speech. It is the left that will censor and cancel you if you don't toe the line on their globalist, borderless, godless, trans-sexual agenda ! Try hating on a pan-sexual lesbian man on any public platform without getting kicked out of your job ! But again I am wasting my time here. If the only thing u learnt from 1984 was hating on the government and power, ur mind is too immature. Now go rant more nonsense!
@@Asdfghjkl-w3ji do not have the patience to read you miles long comment... But I can see some very foolish logics in the very beginning of it. And as I can see some pages related to UPSC & CSAT in your subscriptions, so I am assuming you to be an educated & informed aspirant and highlighting the errors in your reply as a fellow aspirant.
1. When was the last time budget was discussed more than 5% in parliament?
Ans. NEVER and possibly NOWHERE in the world.
Budget of a 4 trillion economy being designed to be distributed over such a vast territory as India is a very lengthy and technical document. Which can not be discussed even 2-3% in one month period of budget session. Thats why we have Guillotine Motion where rest of 98-99% budget is passed at once.
2. When in the history any ruling party got more than 50% of votes?
Ans. NEVER.
In India we have First Pass the Post system , in which it is not necessary to have 50% votes to form govt.
Present NDA coalition having more than 45% of polled votes is 2nd highest in Indian history behind only Janta party govt in 1977 election which got little overy 50% in that election. No Nehru or Gandhi ever got this much majority.
Saurbah kirpal is perfect case of our desi wokes. Just remind him that he is living in Islamic republic of bharat, has he ever thought of speak against waqf, minority act or define minority or Hindus living as 9th class citizen in bahart. He didn’t realise that as a society we accept and loves them, he is doing activism to prove his social creditional to his woke mates living in USA , uk and Europe or Indian elites who are totally disconnected from real ethos of Bharat 🙏 our judges are more becoming western trained activists and now snakes are in ganga. They want to have colonial level of power and thisnk they are from outer space. They are posters child of nepotism🙏
As Hindus we should feel proud that we are not puppet of a book, we think, we debate debate and we move forward. Please do not try make Hindus Islamic by following their horrible practices
Bro whatever u say sai was agreeing on the main point i.e. allow same sex marriage, but the difference was through the court and not throught the court. So by saying wrong to mr. saurab K i think bro ur doing wrong he was good with his arguments as well as sai.
The difference between indian courts and us court is
Indian courts can challenge the decision taken by legislative and executive but can’t promulgate a fresh one
Whereas us courts can challenge the decision by legislators and executive plus can promulgate fresh orders and same happened in us during same sex marriage
@@anonymouscaveman8557 agree bro that both of them were civil and had a good arguments, I also don’t have any problems with same sec if society accepts it than who are we to go against the large portion of society. This change first needs to come from societal level than parliament maje the rule and than Supreme Court can interpret that rule. You can’t force shove or dump things on society direct through sup court. If this continue than in long run we will become the country dictated by Supreme Court dictators and all other pillar will stop functioning slowly as they wil be sacred from ultimate veto power of Supreme Court . 2nd - my only objection is Surabh ji bring irrelevant and false narratives on the debates like no women’s rights, dowry, caste, minorities etc. these are notions which are wrongly applied in India ( Hindus) if someone of saurabh ji stature keeps parroting these false notions in public and personal life than it’s impossible for us to fight against these narratives on worldwide academies level. There are actual groups who actively trying to fight against these biases in west and their job become hard when brown shahibs keep parting the colonial and west infused faultlines in public stages like these 3- host started with shankracharya debate story which was fantastic but after sometime she also becomes the part of the debate. She really need to watch the shankracharya debate to understand how this debate was actually conducted in reality. There is movie on shankarcharya South Indian movie dubbed in Hindi available in TH-cam for free now. Highly recommend for her to Atleast watch the debate part she will
Learn a lot and can help her debate hosting skills Good English oral
Skills should not be the only criteria to host these type of debates as this is important discussions and impact the societies. Hope bud you understand my concerns here. 🙏 Jai Bharat Jai sanatan
@@8PM-10AM well i'm on the indic side. Same as of you, but.... I'll reply u as not counters but conversation.
So ur 3rr argument is that moderater was b.s and the whole shashtraarth pratha was just a leftist joomla to be relevant in the scene
1st argument: dont worry courts wont take the position that off mr. S k rather they would lay the foundation for further discussion in the society. Cause once the court announces a decision it will open doors for more ruckus... everyone will come to courte door and will ask them to pass orders(of legislative format) which the courts cant afford
Ur 2nd argument: i would agree with mr.S k on thoee women rights, caste,..... Etc. Because, the courts are explicitly provided powers in the constitution to pronounce judgement on them and in the case of same sex marriage the courts were only allowed to deal on 377 and they did decriminalise it thats the maximum they can do. Its upto the legislative to give the courts power to pronounce a judgment on same sex marriage. So ghum fir ke sui legislative pe hi aa rhe hai. Dont worry nothing is going to happen.
Such a self defeating logic! If it's saurabh kirpal's good karma that he was born in 'Bharath', he's only demonstrating it..why do you have a problem with it 😂
As a moderator, the lady started off as a neutral but just couldn't hold for long being the leftist liberal she is, her sheep's clothing fell off cutting a sorry figure as a moderator. Sai in fact gave a parting punch when he mentioned about the posters put up asking him to go back from forums obviously by the so-called liberals. Also one gets a feeling the judiciary is raking off activism in their approach and utterances.
Title should be "Ignition 2023 | 5th Edition | Moderator & Mr. J Sai Deepak"
JSD is fantastic.. Jai Shree Ram.. Jai Hind.
🙏🙏🙏 salutations to jsd's intelligence.... Bro inspirational🙌🙌
Shiv Nadar Foundation deliberately kept Sai's mic volume low so that people struggle to hear his arguments.
And the Moderator kept forgetting she is a moderator and just wont let the discussants speak, kept interrupting. So desperate.
I felt the same
A classic symptom of a leftist libarandu😂
Sai deepak is another gift.his analysis and a thorough knowledge is awesome. God bless
34:08 this is what I don’t like. Supreme Court wants to be legislature but since it can’t amend the constitution it wants to (dubiously) interpret it. And if you question these interpretations, then it’s contempt of court.
That is called authoritarianism, What can we expect when their electing process itself authoritarian in nature which also led to nepotism
👏👏👍
this chutiya supreme court opposes nupur sharma statement means this chutiya supremes court judges support bachchabazi and londa londiya business ( ssex sslavery)
The conversation is really fantastic. JSD and Kripal both made their points well
Shoma Chaudhury was worst thing about debate
JSD ruled the roost....all the way.
It was 2v1. That ruined it. Shobha shouldn't have been there.
Everytime, whenever JSD asked something to Shoma she was expecting Mr. Kirpal to back her in countering JSD's point.
I am a big fan of JSD but it was pleasure to listen to Mr. Kirpal's argument. He gives some very good points.
I felt Jsd needs 2 people to counter balance him in a debate. I think 2 are not enough after watching this.
JSD arguments are very hard to deny on facts
unfortunately no
Domains of Discussion
1. Legislature competency
- 35% of voter backed party decide for 100% population
- about centralized position = 95% of the budget is not discussed
- Committees are not formed for discussion
- Minority = 3.5 Cr EWS still availing 10% reservation aren't they the minority?
- about marriage = that is a technical problem, but should it be the reason to not uphold people's fundamental rights?
- When Mr. Deepak can't answer a question he will ask another question, for example- on the will of society. 26:00
- Mr. Kripal = If SC is competent in matters of IP then they are very much Competent in same-sex issues if they are competent in reservation issues then they are in this also
- How competent is legislature 233/539 MP have criminal cases against them not civil, criminal. rest do the math.
- about how inclusive leg is = how much discussion was upheld while passing farmer laws, 50% of the population was a stakeholder in it.
2. Religious angle
- 35:00
- Mr. Kripal never said that the judiciary doesn't make mistakes, when did he say so ?
- Mr. Sai couldn't answer religious arguments, hence asking a rhetorical question. and trying to beat around the bush. Rather than giving anti thesis to religious angle.
3. Individual rights v. community rights
- marriage recognition of right within the jurisdiction of leg
- Counterargument by Mr. Kripal (44:00)
- Laws will evolve through leg, but should we wait for leg to do ?
4. Conservatism
- not a party of discussion
- Mr. Sai is arguing for the conservative position he has been given seat at the table.
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j हर जगह एक ही कॉमेंट चेप रहा है। 🤣
@@SeekerWay kahi toh sahi reply mile bhai. Rather than replying with content you unfortunately choose to mock, very much like JSD. 🤣
@@Asdfghjkl-w3j aren't you yourself mocking him now,
doosri baat bhai jawaaab chahiye to ek sawaal ya argument rakh, tu poora paragraph chaap rha hai, kon ek ek point ka rebuttal de, koi itna vehla nhi bhai, me to kaam krte krte earphone me sun rha hoon.
@@rakeshtiwari6484
There are 4 pts of contention if you could read carefully, I have written in points, not paragraphs.
kindly rebuke any of the 4 pts I would really like to know what I missed?
and I have written it so bz I wanted to know what's in the issue. Since people are blindly following a speaker without being objective.
you try to shine light upon me because I couldn't find much depth in his arguments.
One more thing he is comparing Indian right to western right which is totally incorrect. There is no right in India . India is dharmic wing vs commuislamism wing
Absolutely.
@@sonukumarchoubey4510 thanks mate glad I was able to echo your sentiments as well 🙏
Where is the dharmic wing? You mean BJP? They are on center left whereas khangress in extreme left. BJP is only pro hindu marketing not much pro hindu things on ground
@@mayanksinghfartiyal5290 not about political parties but people and their beliefs in general. Either you are a degenerate libtard like shoma or you are a dharmic individual. Politically the indic side has no representation
Dharmic vs Terroristic
I observed that every single time the mediator received an impressive rebuttal from Sai she felt she needed help from the woke Mr. Saurabh.
Either be a mediator or the "discussant" (the word she herself used to clarify her role)
Calling out bullshit is what JSD does....Thanks JSD
As a Young Gay Individual from India, I feel very prideful and joyful see this conversation. A huge thankyou to Sai sir for having this conversation, a admire to you work here. And to Saurabh Sir, you are not just a voice but a very important voice all support and love for you. I feel seen today. And my hope on India that is Bharat grows even stronger.
bhai ye 100+ genders me se aapka konsa hai
@@rakeshtiwari6484 Arre male hi hai bhai. Gay alag chiz hai usse😅
One this to note in these leftist venues is that most audience are old or middle aged while in most hindutva fests the people are young, passionate and full of spirit. We will take bharat to the top
All the leftist days are numbered 🤣
At one instance the waxing & waning phases of the moon are represented as gods Varuna & Mitra. On the new moon night offerings are made to these two gods, the seeding that is referred here is simply changing of the phase from dark to bright And there’s no sax involved at all.
It’s quite common in the Vedic texts to represent celestial and ritual events metaphorically with gods.
Leaving this comment for hindu who might be worried after seeing and hearing shit from that girl
They are not a gay couple
Infact they are brothers both are son of aditi😊
The mediator, instead of asking a crisp question and letting Sai answer, is making long winded points. It’s 2 vs 1.
which sai win Easily 😂
Moderator couldn't comprehend jsd's arguments most of the times
well.. saurabh kirpal is the only person, I have ever found to be able to debate with JSD with some rock solid arguments... the debate was really nice..
Nikhil Mehra has gotten him to concede on legal arguments.
Moderator was highly biased, but Deepak taught her good lesson😂😂
Whenever I hear JSD it's always a great Experience he talks fact, ground reality and sense. Moderator was pathetic, biased and herself a party. She is not eager to hear but speaking constantly having mike near to her mouth. No wonder Johny Walker is amongst partners
The moderator was not doing her job properly, if she had to question Sai then she should have done an interview with him, they both were talking about issues unrelated to the debate topic most of the time, completely excluding Saurabh Kirpal. Expected better.
One best talk , I have heard in long time .
This actually is our tradition shartratha ,debate debate and deliberate and decide.
But not our challenges are on discussion table, lot of opponents are with swords I dont know can we come to terms
2 minutes into the debate i loose interest to watch it since kirpal started making bs argument like women don't have rights 😂
Both parties were gentlemen throught the debate but can't say the same for the activist-moderator.
Eyeryone is Monster until J SAI enters the room ... truly I haven't seen any speaker with such strong logics, points and references in his debate which SAI does so effortlessly... in today's BHARAT I think he is just on the level of VIRAT KOHLI ...
This two on one debate is classic example of shitshow. The role of the anchor is to start the conversation with the opening remarks of both the stakeholders of a particular case. Then the follow up questions should be put up to each one of those with respect to their positions. After the closing remark of the debate given by both side, the word that any anchor should say is "thank you". On the contrary, she ended by using the classic left connotations like "fascist, right, tax agency and what not". The problem here is the anchor is out and out left leaning since congress times. The ideology of the Anchor have completely spoiled this debate.
She brought certain aspects that suits her narrative. When she got it back on her face, she asked about the other religions on the same issue to cover up. For instance, she bought certain alleged historians into the debate that the leftist ideology doesn't have much space these days. But there is no data which supports her views. Each and every leftist has their own platform to express their opinion openly. When Sai answered the questions by quoting the instances of "brahmin go back" jibe/heckling on him, suddenly she asked Kripal to step in and she tried to hide behind him as she knew he will rip her argument apart.
We have watched many of the interviews in the past in which she was the moderator. But she always did this with everyone who does not subscribe to her views/ideology. Subramaniam Swamy debates in Algebraic Conversations are classic examples which gives the evidence to her way of journalism. If she debates one on one with Sai, that would have exposed her in front of this same leftist audience.
Kripal did a great job by engaging in civility. But Sai did this gracefully even having disadvantage of leftist biased anchor with one sided audience.
Point by point Sai took commie shoma to cleaners 😊
They thought they could corner JSD with 2 Vs 1. JSD left the person sitting on the left side of the moderator and smashed the arguments of the moderator herself. Brutal.. Esply when she tried to act liberal out of nowhere. 😂
Sai knows precisely how to be on point...she tried to do regular journalism...she saved herself by timely backing off.
Journalists must not wrongly quote anyone ...must not make totally unrelated analogy to ask alien questions and make irrelevant deductions.
One thing I am Clear....SHE DID NOT SIT THERE AS MODERATOR, RATHER SHE VERY OPENLY SUPPORTED MR. SOURAB...SHE IS NOT A GOOD MODERATOR 😂😂
Not even him, she had her own vile position.
@@Indicthoughts898 ...I agree
Love the comments Saurabh ji was calm.... Arrey gand marke rakh di toh calm hi rahega na
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bc 1 min se has rha hu 😂😂😂😂😂
lol so true , j sai is on fire .
🤣 he has habit of taking in let the homo joke begin
1:16:00 he is talking about Ashoka University
Sanku
@@aviccitotryatrimsa9855 what is sanku
Watched only for Sai … love him … want him to lead India one day
1:11:00 search for Chaitanya Kunte Barkha Dutt,
Chaitanya Kunte proved that Coverage of 26/11 by Barkha Dutt & also by Rajdeep Sardesai helped Pakistani Islamic terrorist during attack,
Great J Sai. India need such brave souls to present Indic perspective correctly to the world. Moderator Shoma Chaudhary tried to down JSD. But he took her left and right and showed her actual position.
It is not easy to hold jay sai deepak back, but kirpal did it. I got to give it to the man. Jai Bharat 🚩 Jai hindutva 🚩
And again he is parotting the western agenda of caste. We believe in jati and every jati should take pride in their traditions and must take pride that they managed to fought back three wave of ideology which believe in total annihilation of others islam, Christians and communism and must fee proud in being Hindu or food from
Sanatan dharma. I am
From mochi jati and now understand that our jati lost financial hegemony during first in Islamic jajiya rule second after Industrial Revolution third when we become colony and lost access to manufacturing when Britishers criminalise Indian manufacturing and than lost access to markets where we can buy as
Product and sell our products. Saurabh chacha ko thoda samjhao and ask him to
Learn about basic economics based in which society, countries , tribes become poor and rich 🙏atleast read about gaund kingdom 🙏
SAI is a genuis in debating
Such an Emotional, educative etc., satiety listening to these two participants……
If the Courts have constitutional obligation to decide & it is a part of Judges oath of office, then why did the Supreme Court rejected to take up Kashmir Pandits genocide issue
In the Vedas. In the Rigveda, the oldest of the Vedic texts, Mitra is mostly indistinguishable from Varuna, together with whom Mitra forms a dvandva pair Mitra-Varuna, and in which Mitra-Varuna has essentially the same characteristics as Varuna alone.
agasthaya was born from a yajna whereas vashistha is brahmas son
You are obstructing Sai’s flow of thought. Always stopping him from finishing his point.
MODERATOR WAS PATRONIZING, QUITE UNLIKE THE ROLE SHE WAS IN HOWEVER SHE WAS SO VERI POLITELY PUT TO PLACE WHERE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BY JSD. WHAT I ADMIRE IN HIM MOST, IS HIS ABILITY TO KILL WITHOUT VIOLENCE.
"May I answer this without Yes or No because we are trying to not be binary"
15 seconds later
"As a woman"
😂🐷
Loved to watch this discussion. Very informative
I don't understand why they always Target Sai with free speech, tax officer.. he is not bjp spokesperson...he is representing Indic wing...atleast hear him out....free speech guys just want to speak, they can't digest anyone else especially if their viewpoint is different...
28.50 The moderator is dumb-folded and caught off guard lol😂
Very intellectual conversation! #peace
Boy ! This woman haven’t changed a bit. She is still the same TARUN TEJ PAUL’S trained charlatan. Sai definitely won’t miss BARKHA DUTT after this interview.
Was mr kirpal the moderator? It looked like that🤣🤦 he was very calm n reasonable 🙌
Mediator was too biased
But kudos to JSD ❤❤❤
J Sai Deepak vs.leftist moderator , elite supreme court lawyer
Sai should have questioned court’s deciding on tough questions by asking him - “dahi handi ki lambai tough question h?”
Are Baba ..... Kidhar se laya re ye moderator 🤔🤔
Jai Hindi! JSD! Well Done ✅
Thehalka se 😅
Coming to the point the lady made in one of his arguments with respect to the instances where, in the past, many hindu Kings had multiple wives. Well, my question is, do hindus at large consider such polygamous kings exemplary?? No, we don't. Do we hindus, in general, draw inspiration from such kings and use it as an exemplar to justify such unions?? No, we don't, that's not how things work in Hinduism. What kind of logic was this?? I mean, even ravana was a hindu, and he did a lot of egregious crimes throughout his life, do hindus glorify or say take inspiration from him???
I agree with JSD.
I like how saurabh is putting his opinions nicely and politely.
I didn't liked the way mediator is stopping both the individuals repeatedly in between their speechs.
The mediator was biased. And openly so. Pity. Wish we could have had a better mediator
इस संवाद से ये सीखने को मिला की अगर आपकी तैयारी अच्छी हो तो आप अकेले ही कई लोगो को निरुत्तर कर सकते हैं चाहे उसमें मध्यस्थ करने वाला भी शामिल हो ।
Very good discussion to watch. Thanks ❤
1:08:30 jsd cut the throat of Shoma Chaudhury
At the start of the debate, Sai Deepak said that "some people because of their inclinations take a very personalisation position and when they are not able to get what they want, decide to approach the court" or something to that effect. Saurabh Kripal proved him 😝
One of those times that you feel happy with the quality of our legislative. Both Kirpal and Sai were fantastic. For a young democracy, we are amazing.
44:30 This is the moment that proves the point that the two lawyers are having a civil debate but the the moderator is just fanning the flames miss quoting Sai multiple occasions.
46:30 equating caste to gender, Kripal sir you are wrong
The moderator took the debate in a different direction than what the topic indicated
Very matured discussion. Saurabh Kripal was able to convey his perspective with clarity. JSD was as usual at his fiery best. But the discussion seem to veer away from the topic and kind of became left vs right. Thanks 'Shiv Nadar Foundation' for this discussion.
JSD is fire don’t touch him… unless you are not biased,, which she is not !😂
Watched it for JSD, but Mr. Saurabh did make some good points and admissions. He seemed to be a true liberal and the so called "moderator" seems to the one to be put in her place with the right arguments.
Still feel, this is not JSD's best. But he always has those aces up his sleeve which can make him win the match.
comparison of herself to maata Udaya bharathi is the proof of arrogance of what these people think of themselves.
Kudos for saurabh ji for remain calm and collective in this session apart from that he did everything to self loathe Hindus with other irrelevant issues. He started with no women rights than moved to minority than moved to dowry than involved left ideology. Some one told him that only Hindus gave more rights and respect to women than anyone else in the world , only give india minority rights without define minority %age and no western developed country has any special provisions or rules for minorities community and dowry is the concept given to us by Britisher he loved Wimbledon so I’m sure he must have watch downtown abbey and other British drama which show how important was dowry to British society 🙏
If that's your take from the discussion you cleared missed whole lot of arguments.
J Sai दीपक का mental toughness is evident ❤❤
If you want to extend our laws to you, just inbolve us and discuss with us... that's what JSD is saying...
I like Sai very much and how he argues. And I am seriously impressed by Saurabh. I real wish him full joy in his life! As for the moderator, she js coming from a difficult position, ans I really don't think she was bad. Some of us differ on her views maybe, but she did not create any walls. So, everyone did express their views. Wish we had heard Saurabh more.
Moderator has forgot tat her job is to moderate not to take sides and derail the debate. Both sai deepak ji n kripal are right in their own way. But sai deepak ji makes lot more sense as he could unravel the fallacies of granting the legal rights in this particular and exposed the non expertise of judiciary in many issues. Sai Deepak ji is just brilliant 👏
J sai Deepak sir 🔥🔥
He should have asked about Nupur Sharma's free speech right
1:16:26 He is talking about Ashoka University in Sonipat, Haryana. In case you u are not aware.
Saurabh: Mai yha kyon aaya😂
That last line by Sai ❤❤ this moderator has never been a moderator .. absolute gold dust by Sai this time around.
He still stuck to the colonial education about caste. Someone teach him that caste is Portuguese. Bharat has varna system and fifth varna is dwiviz. Anyone allowed to changes their varna. And this varna system is only applicable to urban areas and rural and semi urban areas are free
From this varna system. He didn’t realised that india was under seize or occupied by hostile religion forces from last 1400 years and every jati and varna did everything possible to save their jati, varna and dharma. 🙏
This is an important debate . Must be taken up in broader fora.
@@sundareshanal1849 agree mate but followers of distortion specialists irfan habib and his father, Romilla thapar run away from
Discussions and on this topics. They loves to live in their own cocoon and if anyone question them than they take out global victim card and start crying 🙏
It may be so that caste is a foreign word, but unfortunately what we experience or are forced to experience is the same foreign concept of caste.
Brahmin hai to janm se hi hoga, Obc hai to humesha hi rahega, sc st hai to humesha hi rahega. It is a stamp/mould/caste that we are fitted in from birth.
How ironic, the very rigidity it was meant to curb it only made it probably even more rigid and permanent.🥲
@@vaibhavyadav9912 good thing is that it's changing
@@bld-cd6xb what is changing? Why do you say that?
JSD really made his position clear by mentioning post 2014 and prior 2014... That's the valid point
JSD and Saurabh Kripal both are my fav. lawyers. JSD always has a very unique and reasonable opinion on any topic and also fights for the spirit of Bharat and also represent the Indic view as he said, and On the other hand, the calm and articulate Saurabh Kripal masterfully presented his well-founded arguments, embodying a composed demeanor throughout the discourse.
JSD has argued in the context of same-sex marriage, eloquently exposing the perspective of a "fence seater" - someone who views matters subjectively rather than objectively and can't reach on any conclusion.
But in this whole conversation a one who is behaving like a fence seater is the moderator because the moderator, though holding the role of mediator, inadvertently took on the mantle of a participant in the debate. Regrettably, the moderator seemed inadequately prepared to engage with such eminent legal minds from the Supreme Court, leading to a less than optimal balance in the proceedings. Which is also approved by her at the end of the conversation that "I don't think we arrived at any particular conclusion".🙂