Lawyers J Sai Deepak & Saurabh Kirpal argue same-sex marriage | Shoma Chaudhury @Ignition
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- Incisive. Riveting. Two high profile Supreme Court lawyers, SAURABH KIRPAL & J SAI DEEPAK - on opposing sides of the same-sex marriage petition - will debate a crucial question: who has the right to change a society’s norms? Governments or courts? Can societies claim red lines on how we eat, pray, love? Cultural duel at its best.
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Balanced discussion between an Indic and a Centric ...but the moderator was definitely leftist. .😂😂😂..
AND PEOPLE LIKE TO THROW TERMS.
@@ishankanwar8411not too inaccurate TBH.
1:14:11 Now you hit Shomas nerve, she furious and her fingers are cramping.
She's like Pakistan during the US war on Afghanistan, she'll play all the sides even hers for the moolah(views)!
Bhai ye kya bol raha hai???
It is funny how the host had rebuttals and pushback only for Sai, and none for Mr Kripal. so much for being a neutral host. but even in a 2vs1 Sai stood his ground.
She's not a host look at her from 1:14:00, Saurabh was the one who saved the moderator, she turned to him whenever she ran out of gas losing an argument with Sai. If this Judge contendent would've had some mucho grande balls then we would've witnessed a very good debate between Sai and him, but alas.
@@phaddu7737don't know what got you so high or do you normally express like that which makes no sense, ofcourse he's not the host Choma Choduary is i reckon why did she need saving it was her own questions which was being answered in the politest manner without any uncivil behaviour or tone... This calls out the hypocrisy of at best, because it effectively says I can ask questions because I'm liberal and will speak anything about anytime even with no clue but the answers I get how matter how rationale and factual they are, are against me and I'm being targeted... Definitely some lack of caliber from the custodians of freedom 🩲
@@Tendo_27 well, that's a libtard for you
@@Tendo_27because Indian left is adopted from the us.
Same template.
Sai is speaking correct English but away from context.
He makes circles to answer a simple question.
Why ?
Hes trying to answer each question with an unnecessary bias.
JSD : Almost wins the argument
Moderator : FYI I'm not the debater here
Classic liberal approach, ask the question and run and hide when facts and logic is presented, meanwhile behavior a modern elite and muddle down evey bit of a community in the name of freedom and progressiveness 🤡, while you short hand seems to be short enough to not reach our your liberal prerogative to the other communities
😂😂😂😂 left has no answers for His books. They have lost mass dude
He dominated the Hindu Rashtra argument.
He is talking about it 26:00 watch from here
Haha women ☕☕☕
Yes,Mr.Sourabh kirpal is a good Moderater.
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😂 Sahi mei bhai Mai to bhool hi gaya tha beech mei ki moderator kaun hai.
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Both debaters were dignified. Shoma needs to learn a thing or two about moderating a debate.
Who were the debaters again? J. Sai and ??
@@ven41618 😆Arre aese bhi mat karo.
So does Godi Media
@@palagirimohammadreehan3037what the hell with “godi” stuff all these names propped up after 2014 😂😂😂 you leftist wastards are Hilarious, hypocrites but hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
The cameraman bias is also there. Even the mic quality.
She was wrong in saying debte din't bring change
Liberal became moderator
Moderator became insane
Sai deepak toned down his demeanor 😂😂
Your comment is too good👌
Comment of the year 😂
Wdym tone down his demeanor? What demeanor I mean...
So the moderator actually wanted to debate with JSD but didn't have the spine to do so, so she called for back up!! No wonder they are called "left loonies" ( no disrespect to Mr. Kirpal, he is the one directly affected by marriage laws hence he definitely has a cause and did make some thoughtful points )
Accurate
Precisely. ✔️
Exactly
she was a pseudo host conducting a discussion with Sadhguru and Islamist pseudo atheist Javed Akhtar. Initially she addressed Sadhguru taughting him by his name as an act of disrespect , still Sadhguru walked into the show for the discussion throughtout the interview Shanon Christ and Javed Akhtar tried all their best to humiliate Sadhguru, the debate is going in records into the history ...now she will know how art of conversation works
@@sanchariyogi6241She's an Islamist Appologist and Hindu Hater. I have known about her pathetic mindset and degenerate Ideology which she proudly represents
After watching this, finally I realized SAURABH KIRPAL is good moderator.
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I commend J Sai for his firm stance on his debate, where he keeps his words and assertions impeccable. Though the journalist moderator tried to twist and turn and try to churn out, the disputable answers from him. He stood like a solid rock.
If we have such people in the country, our legal system will stand tall for all the citizens.
In the conversation I felt like Sai Deepak was debating the so called "moderator" more that Mr. Kripal.
When the moderator wants to debate but lacks to do so and needs centric to defend her 😂😂😂😂
Hats Off to Sai
Atleast kripal sir spoke to make people understand... Not like Deepak to confuse people with fancy words
@@vamsidaranwow is that what moderator does all the statement sai made were to the point and can easily be understandle even for person who knows just a scrap of constitution,so if you can't able to answer you are clarifying it as fancy words 😊.😂
@@swastikjha1617 🤣🤣🤣joke of the decade.... Sai deepaks point are clear... What about hatred on religion 😂😂😂
@@vamsidaran straight forward things even looks curved or complicated when you don't have brain cells to work properly😏
@@swastikjha1617 😂😂😂Nothing like that he's just a cancer cell with spilling hatred and his hypocritical thoughts....
The host harmed her own position by not letting saurabh kripal speak but giving her own misdirected arguments 😂
Just two quick observations-
- When asked point blank by Sai Deepak sir, that where does your position comes from, Shoma didn't have a clear answer.
-She talks in such a contemptuous manner about Indic view that she seems more like an extremist on other end of the spectrum and definitely not a liberal (dictionary meaning) at all
It happens, liberal just becomes opposition of the majority.
Thats what most liberals are...haters and hypocrites!
Thats common symptom to all urban naxals
Love you Saideepak for your no hlds barred rebuttals. Shoma got rattled for she walked into the trap but did not know how to get out. The scholarship,intellect & sarcasm of JSD is too hot for people like Shoma to handle.
J Sai Deepak’s clarity of thought is just impeccable! I can see him as Chief Justice of India one day! ❤
He's not the son of either yashwant chandrachud or dhananjay dynasty zero merit chandrachud😂😂😂😂😂.
He would a very good choice as CJI
He will not take the role of chandrachud bt of ambedkar.
No chance. His dad or uncle or granddad isn’t a juj
He is PM material.
Brilliant discussion. Sai was just too good and even Mr Kirpal was nuanced in his replies. If only moderator behaved like a moderator, it could have been better.
Despite being a 2 v 1 debate... I really liked the discussion.
2 v 1???
Rs. 1 crore vs Rs 1 crore and 1 doesn't i make significant difference?? 😂
JUST OBSERVE HOW THE LEFTIST TRICKED TO ASSASSINATE Sai's CHARACTER BUT FAILED MISERABLY 😂AND GET SCHOOLED BY SAI 😂
Sai has no character . He’s an idiot anyway
@@PrashantShokeenShow Don't comment from Grave 😂
Glad to see two brilliant legal minds of this country, Mr. Saurabh Kirpal and J Sai Deepak together. This was a genuine debate where both the people respect each other and the arguments were based on logic and didn't turn into a fight. This is what happens when two real intellectuals dialogue.
what about moderator she was becoming a B team of Kripal 😂
@@everythingforfun7104 I don't think so. You are seeing the debate with a narrow lens of prejudice. She was also asking some questions to Mr. Kirpal which hit the nail.
@@subhmaypatra5562riyally😅😅😅
@@everythingforfun7104she is not the B team she is the team 😂
99% of Indians don't know this foreign colonial language
JSD is a gem.. He should be the Attorney General of India..
One day he will be attorney general of India
He should be Law minister or chief Justice of Bharat.
I have never seen a host more graciously manipulative than her
And schooled by Sai 😂
Was she moderator or came to hijacke the debate herself against Sai?
@@sarvajanhitaay she was clearly trying to put him down pretty evident
@@sarvajanhitaayprincipal opponent camouflaging as "moderator". She hardly let speak third person.
Any surprise that you would judge her so? RW are you?
I seriously believe that the people who themselves claim to be from a liberal point of view intrinsically have a tendency to look down on people having a tinge of conservativism in them. Jai sai Deepak, being so articulate, makes me realise as to how should I endeavor to be 15 years from now.
There’s a difference between having a tinge of conservatism and celebrating a wrongdoing.
Humans have a selfish bias by default. Bias towards their own (tribe, religion, caste, nation). And have natural prejudice and paranoia of the 'other'.
Liberals are self critical and speak out for the minorities and others - for the sake of justice, humanity & fairness. It doesn't make them bad, or anti national. Nor do they do it to feel superior.
Conservatives speak out for their own, spread fear & paranoia of the other. And act in self interest. And end up increasing the natural inherent baises that we humans have. What will be the result?
Especially right now, in the Indian context - it is not even a left vs right, OR liberal vs conservative debate any more. What we have is raging far right fanaticism.. Entire country, from top to bottom taken in by this.
harbor it and nurture it
@@PrashantShokeenShowCry monkey
@@PrashantShokeenShow kindly elaborate what wrongdoing and celebration you are talking about
Mr Kirpal did the work of moderator very well.
When a leftist mindset meets the Sensible mind.
Criticism of heteronormative structure is fundamental to left. The abnormal isn’t fully normalized unless the normal is made abnormal.
This feels like what is going on the left where children are being persuaded to perform gender surgery. Which is became a new normal I think these so called judicial activist want wokeness in india. Well cji chandrachud said there is no absolute concept of man or women
The irony - its you, the conservatives who brand the other side 'abnormal', (as you do in this very comment of yours).
Your position is to police the other side & deny a fundamental right of theirs. And yet, YOU are the victim?
And here you claim the exact opposite - that liberals are trying to brand hetro relations abronmal 🙏 wow
Bravo😂😂
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There's an entire ecosystem of left and Congress bootlickers...liberandus like Shoma C from journalism, RaghuRamR from RBI, Shyam Saran from IFS and so many are part of the the ecosystem
When even the opponent is clearly acknowlading that the referee was fighting with one side, what happy place must he be in. Narayan Narayan
Hit like if u r here only to watch J Sai Deepak....
Kashmiri pandit issue , farm bill issue waqf board , places of worship act issue collegium ( judge ka beta hi judge hoga)...endless examples we can see the intent of judiciary ...not trustworhy
Not always do the judges want to dirty their hands with a deep socio-political issue yet they address it to the fullest.
How observant has the society been of morals and rights!? How much have political parties adhered to the judgements? The congress tried hard to overrule the judgement on maintenance of Muslim women while the BJP fumed to the point of violence over the Sabrimala judgement!! How ready are we as a society to accept them? Until then, there is no point raising a finger at the judiciary.
And talk of the collegium, it has been the said collegium itself responsible for such greats such as Bhagwati, Iyer, Nariman and Katju.
@@parthivchakraborty8253 when we say I will see you in court means I will destroy you this is the reputation our courts has earned. Why it is so?
Collegium is better than NJAC!
how can this "court" legislate on social issues. the job of the court is to interpret the law in disputes but first it has to go the legislature.. always.
Sai argued from all points of view including the societal and civilization perspectives. Kirpal just forcefully demanded for the "rights" for his favored community without regards to anything else. Reminds one of a certain "minority" community.
Indians and Hindus are just too innocent - not too long ago it was common for young adults not to even know what heterosexual results are, forget about something like homosexuality.
Kirpal gave up the game when he mentioned US and EU. Bharata is not US and EU, huzoor sahib.
if you've been following world events, you know that this recently surfaced radical homosexuality is part of a western agenda to sabotage the social life and population structure of nonwestern countries. they did it once before by advocating hair brained population/abortion policies to china in the 70s. Now china is screwed. where else will a full discussion like this take place except in the parliament.
@@darkprince2490 why is there always a common thread among supporters of Sai that they will always have to be a supporter of Hindus, thus exhibiting Islamophobic tendencies.
I am not talking about you. I am wondering. Indeed, I am aware of the atrocities the community has caused.
To talk of law, to just confer "basic human rights" if reflection is to be made on 101 reasons as to why basic rights should not be conferred, what have we come up to as humans ?
The host has some clear bias while she was drawing examples specially from Hindu community rather than the other side. She also tried to act as a lawyer only to be put in place by Sai Deepak. This starts at 26:00 - 29:00
Cry more
@@PrashantShokeenShowso this is the ideal state of liberalism which is truly the face of fasicm and tyrannical approach towards Indic wing, as they ignore, falsify and gaslight every rational logic, facts, problem, appeal when a hindu or so to say Indic wing makes it but they want to be accepted and have the idea of accepted by the Indic wing on all their rights... Which they themselves never perform... So cherish this moment guys, this shows their true face ❤😂 and what they'll do to you.. If they come in Power.
She is crying 😂😂 @@PrashantShokeenShow
JSD is too good for them
This will go down as one of the most insightful debates. Both JSD and SK have logics and facts with them and present them in a very coherent manner. Hats off to both of them. I personally don’t think there were winners and losers. Just the kind of debate we need in India.
SK was a Good Moderator 😅😅😅😂😂
JSD is a gem. People merely speaking GRE english without having facts by their side are bound to fail in front of him.
The moderator used her classical lutyen tongue in cheek approach of showing her superior English at the beginning by calling rashtra as sastra and asking Sai to repeat certain words which she pretended she could not hear properly. It’s a shame because it was all so clear. Sai of course was not going to get intimidated by her
Agreed
@@rashmi29753it is unfortunate that these english barking mentally colonised barbarians have been ruling this country .
99% Indians don't know this colonial unscientific language
The host was biased against sai. Unnecessarily brought out something he was asked on a podcast. Sai was not in his usual from a bit down. The host tries to manipulate us into thinking her ideology is right and every one is fascist and conservative. Didn’t enjoy this at all
THEY TRY TO ASSASSINATE HIS CHARACTER BUT FAILED 😂
Good thing is majority of people saw this , which creates empathy towards Sai,
It's called JP effect, remember Cathy Newman n tht G Q magazine lady went after JP which actually made him famous
Which Q? That - by opposing gay marriage, you are denying them a fundamental right. While nothing is being taken away from your if they get this right?
This is the most fundamental Q!
.. which he didn't or couldn't answer, despite being asked repeatedly.
The arguments he gave - that
1. it is complex as it will bring in other aspects of marriage laws (like adoption, domestic violence etc)
I have some sympathy with this argument. It is a valid argument. Perhaps they can come to a middle ground on these issues.
@@mrgyani the hosts deliberate attempt to make j sai look conservative and bringing up his remarks on a podcast unnecessarily without any context. Conveniently trying to put him down just when hes about to make a solid point bringing the other person into the argument etc its pretty evident if u just notice
@@mrgyani They should create their own marriage like institutions. Don't use Hindu things and Hindu marriage institutions. They very nature of Hindu marriage is between Male and Female and don't inject woke Ideology in our institutions. We don't have problem with gays and lesbian our argument is simply they should create their own institutions out of the Hindu marriage and do whatever they want.
JSD is seriously damaging to other sides ❤❤❤❤
I also liked Mr. Kirpal who is a good opponents and listens.. I really love the way he accepts certain uncomfortable facts about Liberal
JSD is damaging to the listeners . He always speaks against the idea of India enshrined in the constitution.
@@PrashantShokeenShow🤣🤣 lol u need to listen to Sai talks again then u would understand.
@@PrashantShokeenShowdamaging? In what aspect.. to their established views - yes. But, JSD being a SC lawyer, doesn’t have the benefit to contradict the constitution. You ought to give an example first.
@@PrashantShokeenShowwhat's the idea of India you're talking about?
Selective criticism and biggottory, I suppose. You see everything from the lens of majority oppressor - minority oppressed and not the otherwise physical realities of Abharamic onslaught over Indic civilization and exceptionalism. Where was your idea of India when Sharia was given supremacy over constitution in Shaira Bano case? The draconian Waqf act & places of worship act is still very much in operational in this land.
It's extremely awful to note how passive citizenary like you can do so much damage to the idea of equality and diversity under the influence of some western hypothesis - peak mental slavery!
Constitution has to reflect the ideals of the people and righteousness. It's the people who enacted it and it's the will of the people that should be considered Supreme period.
@@PrashantShokeenShowfacts doge? Ya hawa mai hagte ho?
Saurabh used word ‘Constitution’ 50% of time in total 😂
Felt like she was out to GET him whichever way she can. Her attitude towards JSD destroyed the debate.
10 minutes into the debate, I was like let them respond to each other without jumping in every time and diverting the topic 😂. Poor Kirpal guy is just sitting in corner waiting for his turn while she is busy trying to corner Sai.
She was in love with J sai Deepak😅
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Kudos to JSD and MR. Kirpal .... loved both of their arguments ..... JAI HIND JAI BHARAT
It was clearly 2 vs 1
Very good debate, JSD as always is brilliant in his arguments.
This is a page of Shoma Chaudhary and yet most people are criticising her. At least the viewers are not taking sides.
She earned that very generously through her bigoted actions
That's in real world like I can't when I come to your house. Viewers need to be civil & can't vocally disagree. They're there to listen and form opinions Whereas we on social media we can puke whatever we want how much ever we want. Anyways With that logic even PM can't be criticized on his channel but that ownership can't be the shield for you
Viewers had taken the Indic side perhaps 😂
@@JohnWick-uj4ghnailed it!
she was a pseudo host conducting a discussion with Sadhguru and Islamist pseudo atheist Javed Akhtar. Initially she addressed Sadhguru taughting him by his name as an act of disrespect , still Sadhguru walked into the show for the discussion throughtout the interview Shanon Christ and Javed Akhtar tried all their best to humiliate Sadhguru, the debate is going in records into the history ...now she will know how art of conversation works
Shoma Chaudhury was there to take some concessions from Mr. Sai but walked away with giving him concessions instead.
One of which was accepting that Barkha Dutt was wrong in taking her viewers to court. 😂😂😂
Also it seemed like She (host) wanted a one to one 'discussion' with Mr Sai, Mr. kirpal was invited to give her kind of company. 😊
@@bhnuc most incisive comment.. 😂
Mr Kirpal and Mr Sai has done it so beautifully!! I wish Mr Kirpal had more time to speak rather Shoma trying to pin down Sai.
J sai deepak is just music to listen
That, Godly laugh after "I got my answer"
The moderator lady is highly unqualified to act as a moderator...she speaks so much , too much aimless words...
What an amazing discussion, Thanks a lot to Shiv Nadar Foundation for arranging such kind of civil discussion.Which is really missing in today's prime time shouting television debates.
The moderator didn't let Adv Saurabh Kirpal speak much. She hijacked the conversation. She doesn't know what is the role of a moderator, who is supposed to have an unbiased stance in a debate. However, Adv J Sai Deepak completely destroyed her. He single handedly took care of both of them. Adv J Sai is at a superior level of Intellect, Comprehension Analytical and Deduction skills, Argumentation skills. He has outclassed them all. Though Adv Saurabh Kirpal was a dignified opposition.
She should have let SK speak or she should have used SK to counter JSD bit it need skill which not everybody can have. I am not saying soma is not capable but she overpowered by her own ideology and biases.
Mr. Sourabh Kirpal was a most gracious panelist on the debate, waiting comfortably for his turn to make level-headed arguments. I'm sure Mr. Sai Deepak would have had fairly good counters for his arguments, if only they weren't directed via the host who very clearly was steering the convo in a very different direction.
he didnt commit mistakes that Javed Akhtar did in the discussion with Sadhguru
I'm really astounded by Kirpal's faith in the judiciary when he himself accuses the judiciary of delaying his appointment to judge. "
"The curious case of Saurabh Kirpal National Herald
Senior lawyer Saurabh Kirpal says his appointment as a judge has been delayed 'at least since 2017' due to his homosexual orientation."
What if she wanted this debate between herself and JSD and asked SK as back up helper assistance to counter on some of point.
The journalist constantly interrupted Sai with her arguments, she should have just articulated each debater's argument instead of arguing exclusively with Sai, it is very unfortunate to see a good debate crumble.
If you are not willing to give the space that is required for a person to argue he/she cannot put their points freely. I appreciate Sai for this simple reason that he did not go all guns blazing on the journalist.
1:03:24 So the host does not seem to be aware of the fact that jsd as not homophobic. But assumed that he might be and tried to corner him into believing that is a bhakt and a sanghi. Our position is not homophobic we don't believe in bending Hinduism as per the host pleased. Just make it under special marriage act and Don't mess around with shastras and make it seem look a liberal paradise.
@@Krishna-te8xxthan u missed th point, this entire Fiasco is directed at Hinduism to, reform it, as a Trojan to get inside, n destroy family unit n marriage institution,
Thy r very well aware of special act,
Very mischievous
@@Krishna-te8xx its just classical ideological viewpoint label the opposition.. becomeing a bakht or sangi is not wrong as becomeing a communist or socialist or liberal..it's just the power of the left from past 70 year they became sanghi some kind of bad lebel ... historically sanghi has cause far less distruction compare to left ..
Absolutely true. She didn't give space to Mr. Kripan in her attempt to corner J. Sai.
Shoma has come with some preconceived notions about J Sai Deepak which she searched on "google". No facts just rhetoric. What kind of a moderator is this lady?
Unfair one, but if you call her that, she's play victim and how her freedom is being bashed and voice being squashed.. 😂
I was never sure why the Government would not appoint Saurabh as a judge and his supporters cried homophobia, etc and i was annoyed with the Government...BUT TODAY I FOUND OUT EXACTLY WHY HE WAS NOT APPOINTED AND I NOW AGREE 100% WITH THE GOVERNMENT!
Really, what is the reason why wasn't he appointed then ??
1)Because he believes in judicial overreach.
2) because he could have been a judge in all the cases regarding sexual minorities.
3 ) their minds are western as he mentioned Brandenburg test on free speech ( which is not applicable to Indian constitution )
4 ) he would definitely have been a pawn in leftist arsenal , giving them more power and more say in usurping the powers of legislature.
It is easy to say that he wasn't chosen because of his sexuality but unfortunate for leftists , India is not USA .
They are so westernised in their thinking that it would have a traction , sadly it didn't.
@@bhootbhagao5716 ❤❤❤❤🔥🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍👍👍👍
Mr. Kripal , the feudal prince of Indian Collegium Judiciary... Soooo sooo democratic judiciary that we've got. 😂😂🤣🤣
@@bhootbhagao5716 bravo.. Agree 100% western left has destroyed societies.. Shudnt be given a position of power to turn things in their favour
Anchor is trying to vent out her anger on sai deepak for his idealogy in the process she forgot that he is a lawyer and a damn good one.
Clearly a 2vs 1debate with moderator being an opponent to jsd but never asked a single counter question to Mr kirpal.Looked more like a debate between moderator and jsd.
28:15 audience missed that 💣 that was brutal 😂
@28.35, JSD at his absolute best, destroying biased people🔥🔥🔥
When two brilliant lawyers share a stage what you get is a mind-blowing debate!
Saurabh Kirpal argued very well here, with the limited time he was given to speak. The moderator was debating Sai Deepak instead of letting Kirpal speak
Right... Like she was having an agenda of herself. Good that Deepak replied her the way he did
It started at 27:00 and at 28:00, she gets into the trap and finally at 28:30 she was out of words. JSD is the GOAT of debates.
Omg blown away by the arguments. I was so much in a fix if same sex marriage should be recognised or not. Heard sai's arguments in SC also, but this is just mind blowing. Saurabh kirpal is a gentleman and has valid points and his personal journey is something i sympathise with. But Sai, what an argumentator, a clear winner.
The debaters were really good! Can't say the same about the moderator.
A request to all of the fellow conservatives, Don't be apologetic while praising sai deepak, don't explain yourself that he provided logic, facts or whatnot.. it's simple, we support him as he stands with our indic interests. If the other side can be clear in their interests why can't we, let them all go to hell. We will still stand with him even if he isn't able to answer something factually in the manner he does today.
love the reply to the point
Typical 'I don't care if he provides fact or not, I will support him'. This is called blind support.
She is not a moderator rather trying hard to debate with Sai out of jealous because Sai is not leaning to the ideology she believes in 😂😂😂
1:06:06 did the lady try to justify JNU "jung rahegi azadi tak" umar Khalid sharjeel when he said let's cut NE from India. I am sorry I will call those guys names such as traitor and instigator of violence. Free speech does not entitle you to make speech that leads to violence.
I am also entitled to free speech when people call me whatsapp knowledge or bhakt when I talk about nehru and Gandhi not being father of the nation or when I want to criticize ambedkar or when I say periyar was a succesionist and I don't believe in them.
I saw that too😊
Can you point me to where she ever said what you are claiming?
This is as blatant a misrepresentation of what she said, as can be. It's called a strawman argument, where you can't attack her directly so create a fake strawman (misrepresentation) of what the other person said, and attack it.
@@mrgyani 1:06:39 around that time she said protest should be not called such as foreign hand or anti national. Azadi slogans and jung rahegi azadi tak are very much anti national. Such JNU lot said such things also what was all about making chakka jaam and let cut NE from India. This statement is very much anti national and racist and xenophobic toward north Eastern people.
@@mrgyani I am pretty sure people like sharjeel are in jail for a reason. She said these people are not allowed to be in jail
@@mrgyani have you actually heard her or watched around that time stamp. She literally said people should not be labbeled as such things.
I wonder what happened to FOE
It is a joy to listen to J Sai Deepak, the moderator should stay moderator and should have allowed Saurabh Kripal to speak🤦
I found Saurabh Kirpal's answer extremely thoughtful. Moderator did a bad job not to give Kirpal forum and kept pushing their own interest.
Shoma you are constantly interrupting sai deepak, and after asking series of questions to sai at the end you just turned to kripal without giving sai time to answer them properly!Do another solo interview with sai next time, that would be very educational for you!
Shoma didn't give any space or time to Mr. Kripal. Instead she herself stood against J. Sai. The debate would have been fruitful if she truly played the role of moderator only.
She thought she has better debating skill than Mr. Kripal.
Bravo Sai to face not only his opponent in debate but also the moderator and woke inclined audience.
Love you J Sai. .. the leftists are at us and we need to counter it. .what a rebuttal a
No human with minimum humanity can be rightist
You see how Shoma introduces Sai negatively by saying that he is opposed to those wanting same gender marriage. She is supposed to be a senior journalist and didn’t even know what Sai’s position was.
JSD is simply Superb👏
Moderator became debater, debater became audience😂
Kripal is very on the point and so is Sai, if only not for this meddling moderator who twists and turns the entire conversation.
For the very first time Sai had a worthy opponent! Both of them had valid points to make. Loved the debate ,looking forward to more of such sane debates. But the moderator definitely was trying to replicate the debate when Sai Deepak was the moderator to Owaisi but bad luck to her she didn't have to face Owaisi but the man himself 😂
It's was clearly 2 against 1 but Sai managed to smoke both. The lady was always in a hurry to cut Sai off when he was expressing. Don't do this Tom foolery of calling ur self the moderator, just say we both r debating u. She also cunningly drew away from the conversations and diverted the topic like that of a majority rashtra and propagated only that she was comfortable with . But enjoyed this.
Anchor was not competent enough to take strong position and defend it . Poor lady started misinterpreting naunce but bad luck sai j Deepak didn't show mercy 😂. Stay ready and open to criticism Anchor(journalist) lady.❤
He didn't actually if he did she would be in shok her brain would HV been fried 😅
Shoma's hosting & moderation skills are laughable.
Shoma goes off topic and forgets that she is a mediator.
Jsd with bandage on the hand giving Benzema vibes of champions league
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😂😂😂😂scoring hattricks
A failed and delebrate effort by irrelevant people to make j sai look regressive 😂 guess what the audience is not a fool
Saurabh was a good moderator
People need to get off the thought that anything hindu belief is bucketed as conservative. Hats off to Sai, he has 2 people on opposite side but he shined with his intellect.
Saurabh Kirpal argues so calmly and in a composed manner, simplifying his argument without getting caught in ideology or personal preference.
The sad part is he was not given enough time or space to argue against Sai, the moderator disrupted the whole debate and ended up making a fool of herself.
But make zero sense 😂😂😂 just fancy words and concepts 😂😂😂
Sai's Ideology has not given any chances before 2014, so How about being little respectful to that. It is a shameful Liberal thinking. The so call Liberal Party of India Congress ruled on India for 60 years. Still did not given freedom for expression for Sai like ideology. LOL shame on you liberals
Jai Sai Deepak is a gem!
Cadbury gems? 10 rupay wala?
He is the Zakir Naik of Hs.
He's a clown and must be treated as one
@@mrgyani did not know ZN practices in SC and does IPR........wah ! and by the way where is ZN ? why is he staying away from the country ?
@@muravi8167 No actually he meant Jai Sai Deepak also supports ISIS. Brother has extensively heard Jai Sai. I never knew JSD was a Osama sympathiser. 😂
Jai sai Deepak absolutely humiliated the moderator with their own facts.
The debate has opened for a plethora of new questions, to delibrate on seriously.
It's the chance for all lawyers to use their interpretation skills here.
Thank you for that.
50:09 😭 you got me with that Sai Deepak ji 😂
Best woke liberal example and brilliantly shut down by J Sai ❤
A perfect example of how a moderator should not be ! This woman seemed hell bent on putting her ideas out and pushing for fellow Barkha’s grievances rather than being a moderator.
26:00 J Sai Deepak savage reply to the moderators
Hard question coming...i am a moderator not a debator🤣🤣🤣...mein ne kaha Hypocrisy ki bhi soma hoti hai🤣🤣🤣
Shiv nadar should find some worthy moderators. When panelists are experts, the moderator should atleast be 50% of their intelligence.
I am often in agreement with JSD, but over-emphasis on legislature over the judiciary is exactly what happened to Shah Bano. And unless UCC is sorted out, same-sex marriage will never become a reality. A special marriage act may be the most practical solution at present.
In Shah Bano, Court did their part. It was the so call liberal do the bad thing. Still so call Liberal these days has no shame
Deepak you nailed it .. 28:00
This guy kirpal said "focoult" a known paedophile. If lawyers learn from such people. He should not be a lawyer. 1:11:10
are you the same guy commenting under the video?
if yes what did you mean by "taking time out for 16k wifes" on lord krishna ? did you in any manner intend to use it as a pejorative?
@@sujathavenugopal8988 what exactly do you mean by that. Are you Implying. That I said that he was indulging in obscene activities. I do not used that pejorative. My point was Krishna was king of dwarka. Constantly helping pandavas for their bad times. In this whole case I don't think he had time for 16k or even rukhmani or satyabhama for that matter. His life was sacrificed for pandavs
@@sujathavenugopal8988 I did not use that instance to degrade Krishna. I am a gujurati he is the main deity of our state along with surya we do not disrespect deity or Krishna
@@sujathavenugopal8988 What utter horseshit. That's very Abrahamic of you. Lord Krishna is our god, unlike the prophets of Abrahamic faiths who are humans & indulge in debauchery. As far as this episode is concerned, to the best of my knowledge, after rescuing those women from a demon(forgetting the name) The maidens appealed to krishna that they are social outcasts now & won't find prospective partners & they wish to marry my sweet lord, hare krishna. Therefore he made 16k clones of himself for each one of them. This ans will only be satisfactory if you are an Astik to begin with.
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A moderator who is not modest. Rude and endless whataboutery😢
The amount of guts Shoma Chaudhury has to upload this video is commendable😂😂😂
This discussion was a lost opportunity of serious discussion because of the moderator. Otherwise both Jai Saideepak & Mr. Kripal were absolutely capable of managing the discussion & framing the issues. She was not Ubhay Bharati. She was one a participant. Secondly, as in TV debates they had time constraints. If you are not on TV, why do you have time constraints? Go for endless discussion till the conclusions are drawn or a consensus is reached, or the dialog is broken.
JUST OBSERVE HOW SAI MAKES THEM TO CONFESS THEIR HYPOCRACY 😎AND ARE EDUCATED BY SAI. ITS SAI>>>>2 PROFESSIONAL HYPOCRATE 😂😂😂
29:05 I got my answer destroyed 😂😂
Udaya Bharati and Shoma Chowdary.. no comparison...come on mam you think so high of yourselves
J said Deepak always intrigued me ... The more I listen the more my view towards Hinduism is changing..
One thing now I can proudly say is I no more belong to lall Chaddi gang..