Too many of us are doing our own hair and not going to hair salons. Salons kept our hair damaged with heat and perms, and all they do is cut and sell expensive treatments. Your hair is your proof that you know what you're doing. Do what's best for you!
Yes but I’d like to believe science is proof of what is good for hair. The new wave of educated natural hair professionals & stylist are extremely dedicated to researching black hair and how to care for it. So maybe they are worth listening to
@@ayeoritset5049 As soon as I see this new wave of natural hair professionals have years under their belts growing folks hair to waist legnth, the way "TH-cam University" has, is when I'll start to trust the science.. I used the tips and tricks learned here to get my hair from damaged and unable to get past shoulder legnth for a good 25years, to now having waist legnth and still growing.. After big chopping only about 5yrs ago.. So I get what you are saying, but I'm gone wait and see how this fad plays out..
I tend to listen lean on the side of the professionals and cosmetologists because i've studied biochemistry myself and what they are saying makes sense and it is evidenced based. i'm all for evidence-based/backed approaches and they have worked on 1000s of clients heads (not just their own hair) with consistent results. the proof is in the pudding. ive looked at several stylists on instagram that follow a similar method and view their clients results. their hair is thriving and the results look great, way better than what i see on youtube naturals. im willing to acknowledge when ive learned incorrect information from TH-cam. i personally never felt the need to oil my scalp, so i never really started. guess i wont start now either lol
Yeppp everything they said is true, but too many naturals are stuck in their own ways. I follow the professional advice and it's made life so much easier taking care of and styling my hair
this! but people are reluctant towards change. they dont even fully follow the instructions or recommendation guidelines & then get upset & say everyones hair is different 😕
what they say is not science based. They take a pseudo--science approach to hair care. Many of the things they preach have actually been disproved by actual hair science.
Yes I’m a cosmetologist and I hate shea moisture. It’s just cheap gimmicky products that they sell to black people. If a product is actually black owned then I might support but if it just panders to black people and the product is trash I don’t recommend it. Every time shea moisture clients get in my chair their hair is dry but I guess that helps me keep my job lol. I use nexxus which was a created by the original creator of conditioners. It used to be for salons only before they became sold everywhere. I’ve been using it since I was 10yrs old and my hair just touches my butt and it’s 4C. It’s expensive but it’s the closest you can get to salon products. Joico, chi, biolage etc are other good brands. A high quality mouse like kera care will have moisturizer in the mouse. It will not be like the drug store mouse. I wash my hair often (weekly) to ensure the elasticity of my hair and a clean scalp to ensure my follicles are not getting clogged. The conditioner I put on afterwards has a slight amount of protein that makes the hair shaft stronger. Then once you add color or bleach to your hair, it is no longer natural and you need to switch to a color shampoo and conditioner. That’s a whole other conversation but if people would listen their hair wouldn’t fall out. Everything the natural community says isn’t wrong. I still use the Loc method when I shingle my clients but instead of leave in, oil and cream I use Leave in, oil and a mouse/gel. Finer hair gets the mouse and coarse hair gets the gel. Good gels are black owned made by black hairdressers. That’s the only gel I buy.
Great tips. I am a heat styled natural so I use Joico. That brand is so good for black hair if you color or use heat regularly. It seriously strengthens the hair but leaves it soft and hydrated.
To the angry folks in the comments . The method black girl curls are talking about is not new info what they've been saying is true. No top natural hair stylist is putting raw butters and oils on the clients hair. Look up old videos of Anthony dickey . Notice that when he does wash and gos he'll shampoo, condition then add a styler on drenched hair afterwards he'll have the client shake the excess water off then sit under a dryer to set the curls . (The method also works on tighter curls btw). It's so sad that stylist are getting so much hate for telling the truth . If you want you can continue to use raw oils and butters just know that they don't seal In moisture they make your hair feel lubricated and are hard to wash out of the hair which blocks your strands from absorbing water when it's time to shampoo 🤷🏾♀️
I don't think anyone hates these stylists really. People generally are just resistant to change and resent being told that they're doing something wrong. That's all. The internet just has a way of amplifying peoples feelings. Personally I dont think any amount of professional opinion or scientific research is going to move too many people to chang their hair routines. I think for the most part people are motivated by emotions and are going to do whatever makes them feel good about their hair. Which I think is the best thing.
Honestly, I think it’s the delivery and the timing doesn’t seem genuine the natural hair movement boomed years ago and alot of these stylists didn’t input this message as hard
@@luanda5389 They've been saying this since 2014/15. Many other stylists have been saying this for years as well. They just underestimated how much youtubers would sway people.
I have to say before TH-cam I did not see so many black women with long healthy hair. The proof is in the pudding. It can’t all be wrong 🤷🏾♀️ I already tried no oils and washing frequently so I know that it doesn’t work for my 4C hair.
Hi! I understand where you’re coming from! But in the black community we tend to think that the length of our hair determines the health of it which is not true! Thank you for reading!
It doesn’t work for me either. I’m going to continue using what’s worked for me which is oiling my scalp especially during scalp massaging. I will continue to moisturize my hair daily with a curl refresher and water and follow with an oil mist to seal.
I’ve been following the no butters and no oil regimen since December and I must admit. My hair is the softest and most hydrated that it’s been in a long time. I only do wash and go’s and my curls pop! My hair is short to mid-length so I wash it every 5-7 days. I wash, condition, and use a couple of high quality gels recommended by my stylist. The gels I use are actually very moisturizing. Both my base and topper gels contains aloe which is a humectant. Humectants infuses the water from your wash into your hair and it also captures water from the environment. Thus, no additional moisturizer is needed. I hear many say that gels break their edges off and dry out their hair but that’s not the case with top quality gels. These gels are also water soluble so they wash right off during your wash “hour”! Ecostyler and wet line gels are made of cheap byproducts which damages our hair and those gels are forbidden on this program as well. These cheap gels are also non-water soluble so they can clog your hair cuticles as well. Since starting this new regimen, I have less split ends, detangling is a breeze, and my hair has more movement.
@@Ohayitskyanna I start with Uncle Funky’s Daughter. I apply it in the shower on dripping wet hair. I fully saturate my hair with it until it hangs heavy and is the curl pattern I desire. I then put a few pumps of Innersense ICreate Hold gel on my hair. My hair becomes foamy with this. I work it throughout my hair. Both of these gels are humectants and helps to keep my hair soft with hold. I live in Florida which is very humid plus I work out five days a week and go to the beach frequently so I also add a 3rd gel which is an anti humectant. It is Trepadora Papaya Slip. The third gel helps to protect my hair from the environment. It is water soluble too so it washes right off. Please note that these gels works for my hair,. My daughter, whose hair is long, silky with looser curls uses a totally different set of gels on her hair. That is why it is important to go to a good stylist who can assess your hair. My hair is considered coarse texture with fine to medium strand width. My density is medium and I have what is considered 4C/4b hair.
@@Ohayitskyanna in case you have similar hair to my daughter she uses the following three gels/curling cream for her hair. She starts with Innersense ICreate Volume gel. That is the base gel and she rakes it thru her hair in the shower while soak and wet. Then she puts 5-4 pumps of innersense volumizing foam. And as a topper she puts just a little Innersense Quiet Calm curl creme on the areas with tighter curl pattern. My daughter can go 2 weeks with her wash and go but she has long hair. Shoulder length while curled and bra stap length straight. My daughter hair is curly with just water on it. Sort of like Traci Ellis Ross.
@@jessie4755 I only deep condition once a month now for my stylists feels my hair still need it due to the years of using harsh products. But I do not deep condition every wash like I use to. My stylist tells me that I will deep condition even less as my hair gets better.
At the end of the day . I rather listen to a chemist and trichologist when it comes to hair health . Even Mono knows hair says that styling products doesn’t provide internal moisture but just the smooth feeling we love from conditioners and butter . But the only way to truly hydrate and moisturize hair is shampooing and deep conditioning and she’s a licensed cosmetologist and have booty crack length hair . The only good take away I see everyone agrees is on properly cleansing the hair , with both sulfates and non sulfate shampoo . And restoring that hydration ( and smoothing the hair cuticles ) is deep conditioning . That’s it . Anyone can use any styling products of their desires but should be properly cleansing the hair . Keep the washing and conditioning foundation simple , and the styling products up to your desire .
If oils and butters were so bad why Indian women, Japanese women, Native women, French women, Russian women, Aboriginal women, North African women use them?? Would've they not discovered how bad it is way before us?
They also tend to wash their hair more so maybe that's why. They wash their hair every 1-3 days so they're properly cleansing said oils off. A lot of black women wash their hair every 1-3 weeks which is when they become bad.
@@asiatee7021 oh no , woodabe women and other african women don ´t wash their Hair often. They kept a mix of oil , clay or powder on their Hair for long time ! ... low manipulation . They wash their Hair with ambunu , nkui , hibiscus leaf, nopal leaf, arappu powder ... it exists so much
Use what agrees with your hair. To each his own. Me? I use lanolin or castor oil. What ever is available, truthfully. My hair happens to be in locs. I wash it, when dirty, condition it as needed, and grease it. I don't go with every new trend that comes along. Never have in the past, not about to start now. As a result, my hair is thick and healthy. 😁
I think these people are only saying this because the cosmetology industry is definitely tanking. Literally what they teach in cosmetology school is how to take care of straight textured hair, not curly or kinky hair. My hair loves deep conditioners, loves my Leavins, loves my sealant such as oils or Shea butter. Also I haven’t been to a salon on a regular basis in about seven years, my hair is thriving. When I used to go to the salon every three weeks my hair never grew past my damn collarbone. Thank you for educating us on what these people were talking about I like these type of interactive videos.
I agree. I went to cosmetology school and they did not teach how to care for black women hair or women with afro textured hair. Cosmetology school in regards to the hair section for women is more based on styling, coloring, cutting, chemical treatments, and some braiding for extensions but that's about it. As a natural hair black woman in a mixed race cosmetology school they did not know how to deal with my hair when we would pair up to practice. When I stopped taking advice from other so called cosmetologist years ago my hair started to flourish taking advice from other women on TH-cam. I reached waist length twice in this 10 year journey. I spent 5 years relaxed waist length and 5 years natural near tailbone length. Chopped it off to shoulder length in October 2020 and now again near 7 months later already grazing midback length. I use oils, butters and leave ins too. People need to just listen to their hair and care for it accordingly. Thanks for telling your story!
I tried their routine and my shit was drryyyyyyyyyyy like start a firrrrrrreeee dry. Love the convo 💕. I agree about becoming a minimalist tho i use to go crazy on the products but less is more when it comes to product . I’m just a confused as you lol
I have pretty kinky 4c hair and let me tell you I was so sceptical of the no oils/no butter movement, until I tried it myself. I still use products that are formulated with oils and butters but I think what iamblackgirlcurls are against is using RAW oils and butters. Before I use to seal my braid out with shea butter or blue magic and my hair use to feel soft, but use to be so greasy, my hair so limp and weighed down, and my definition only use to last 2 days, 3 days max! Now use a leave in and a mousse for my braid outs. My hair is so soft and fluffy. I'm on a day 5 braid out and there is still definition and my hair is still soft, plus I don't get that greasy feeling whenever I touch my hair. I'm still building up my courage to try styling with only a mousse but I'll definitely try that soon. I also noticed ever since I clarified my hair, it's been retaining moisture better and when i apply products it just doesn't sit on my hair. It's a game changer! I'll say dont knock it till you try it
@@KimeraYvonne I live in the UK so I got a cheap tresemme one. It's called the cleanse and replenish shampoo. Only £2.50 for a huge 900ml bottle so my bank account is happy lol. I've watched a few U.S youtubers and they say the VO5 clarifying shampoo is really good, and that's quite cheap too
I finally figured out less is more. When I was younger, my grandmother took care of my hair and it was past my butt. All she did was wash it, detangle, grease it, and then plait it and I had that style until it got frizzy lol. As far as hair type, I never used that system but I did hear it was something created by someone on Oprah's hair team. In the end, people should do what is best for their hair. Some people wash and co-wash all in one week and have the prettiest head of hair and it is long...me if I was to do that, my hair would be extra brittle. Trial and error until you figure it out but I also feel like hair does change so what works not may not work in a few years
A lot of people don’t talk about how climate and hard water affect your hair too. The same approach may not work for everyone depending on these two factors.🤷🏽♀️
BOTTOMLINE: Professional Hairdressers had at least ONE HUNDRED YEARS as the ONLY HAIR GURUS we had and they used those HUNDRED YEARS to pretty much keep us relatively bald🎯 Now that we have taken matters into our own hands and had much more success growing our hair than they did, they want to talk SMACK. Y'all can do what y'all want, but I personally will NEVER listen to a Hair Dresser, and I will NOT let one EVER touch me hair. THEY ARE FIRED/CANCELLED - DEAD TO ME🎯
I tried what they said and my hair has been THRIVING. By gel, they mean botanical gel that is a humectant and is water-based without any alcohols/oils. Also, I don't style my hair everyday. I use the botanical gel, set it with a hard gel that doesn't leave a hard cast and that lasts me up until my next wash day. My hair has been ON POINT ever since I have started doing this!
@@KimeraYvonne yes. The uncle funkys curl magic and then set it with the aunt Jackie’s “ice curls” or flax seed gel ! No crunch and great definition and longevity
The problem is that ppl think ppl on TH-cam are the majority and that’s not the case. TH-camrs are doing trial and error and many women are following them. A cosmetologist has biochemistry insights and as a scientist a lot of stuff is bs. Now deep conditioners and conditioners function differently so I’m not sure why they were written off
Thank you! People keep mentioning the TH-cam girlies that use oils and stuff that are waist length but that's NOT the majority of black women, if you were to walk outside the majority of the black women you see would have short to medium length hair. Obviously the TH-cam girls are the EXCEPTION not THE RULE when it comes to haircare. Therefore, trying something new and different would probably be beneficial to most black women.
I'm natural with kinky curly hair and I stand by this info. I tried it and i also grew long damaged natural hair past my waist using natural hair community hacks. My hair is WAY more healthy now. Go see a dermatologist if you are skeptical. We got duped into thinking our hair is different but it isn't. Our hair is the same just a different curl pattern. What matters more is hair density, fine or thick hair, low or high porosity etc. We got duped.
If cosmetologist were so concerned about how we do our hair, they should've started the movement themselves and told us to stop using perms and relaxers!!
@@maramma4780 No I don't think they relax their hair!! I think that when we were visiting hair salons that the cosmetologist should have suggested that we all go natural, then their opinions would matter when it comes to the Natural Hair Movement!!
When they say to use a gel they are talking about natural botanical gels not gels like eco,wet line, etc. I think that these types of gels won’t make your hair crunchy.
Botanical gels not plastic based gels like eco styler or wetline. Plus using straight oils break down botanical gels just like oil breaks down makeup. Which isn't a good idea if you want your style to last. Also they say oils and butters have their place and their place is inside the formulated haircare products that we use. So we don't need to add more oils and butters on top. I'm not gonna lie I don't miss that greasy residue that gets on my fingers and basically everything my hair touches that I used to get when I used straight olive oil as a sealant. (I can now rest my head on the wall without fear of leaving an oil patch!). Plus my complete "wash day"(which used to take 3+ hours has been cut in half to 1 hour and twenty minutes) So yeah there are pros to getting out of your comfort zone and trying something new, and trust me I was a total skeptic before trying it out. Why not check out the Black Girl Curls channel on youtube, they tell you the why of this no raw butters/oil thing Also The Hair Doula has some concise videos on this topic
yes tell them！ people need to try this before give a valuable opinion, I do on my hair and works really well,no more oils and butters for me! And those specialists they use this method for a long time ago, I don't understand why this became a trend!
This is going to be a debate. Not all 4c hair is the same. No matter the type of gel I use, my hair will be dry faster than my bank account except I use a sealant (oil or shea butter). Their advice is not for everyone
They're losing money so what do we expect. My hair HATES GELS. My hair loves everything Natural. I have learnt a lot from TH-cam. My hair is doing way better than 10+ years of salons visits. 🤷🏾♀
Couldn't agree with you more. They have been losing a lot of money hence their profit margins are down. The long term lockdown has hit them hard. Everyone has to do what is best for their own hair. However I do wonder what powers and principalities are paying them to divide and conquer. This always happens when black people start to leave the plantation, even with our own hair. Ps:has anyone noticed the amount of relaxed hair recommendations recently?
They likely mean botanical gels. Botanical gels contain film forming humectant like aloe vera, nettle, marshmallow root, and slippery elm. You could literally just incorporate these ingredients into your routine without having to buy a product. I don’t understand why people are trying to cancel oils/butters just because botanical gels exist.
When I first heard that, that’s what I was thinking. But, they mean botanical gels. Botanical gels have oils and aloe in them. They’re saying raw oils are too heavy for our hair. They just believe that using a lot of water will hydrate and then seal with condition. In general, curl specialists sound very knowledgeable. But, I don’t care for their approach.
@@kiarasligh1241 Yeah, I know. I like botanical gels. I still not think this with work for everyone it feels like a one size fix all. Some people have scalp issues, some people wear wigs/ protective styles etc. It may work for thinner hair and washngos but everyone doesn’t wear them.
Yes I agree. I just can not see myself not using oils or butters. Also, just using a gel or mouse just doesn't seem right to me because when ever I used a gel or mouse it would make my hair feel dry and hard especially if I did not use some kind of moisturizer and a oil to seal in the moisturizer before applying gel.
Just the styler sounded crazy to me, too. But once you remove the build up from the hair and correct your shampoo and conditioning process, you really only need the styler. Also, uncle funkys daughter curl magic is the best leave in ive ever used. It’s a botanical gel but it feels like a hydrating leave in.
I’ve been natural since 1997. There were NO natural hair products back then. I believe the need for natural hair products, e.g. Shea Moisture, came out of the need for moisturizing products with less chemicals. Look, salons and stylists were not even promoting natural hair until recently. If somebody is using a product and their hair is still left dry, 9 times out of 10 it’s the technique and application that is wrong and not necessarily the product. Try the mousse- if you like it, keep using it. If you don’t, try something else. And my hair and skin love oils and butters too. The most important aspect to me are having products which are NATURAL and not having other adverse effects to my health. As someone who has autoimmune disorders, I’m not about to go back to chemical-laden products to worsen my condition. That goes for not only what I put on my body but what I also put IN my body. Listen to your hair and your body. Learn to perfect your technique.
Makes sense to just use gel only, but I’m going to once my way by using a spray leave in and an oil. The more product the longer it takes to dry and the harder it is for your gel to effectively capture your curl. More product reduces / dilutes the gel styler from working. Yes I agree wash every 3 to 5 days. Easier on your hair, less to detangle, less shed hair, less maintenance = less breakage - so much... I use to deep condition every wash, now I do it when my hair asks. Use a non alcohol based gel - eco styler or wet line. Scrunch out the crunch after drying your hair -
I also wanted to say hun, I’d be weary with the last cosmetologist - oils have been in many generations upon generations (Indian, black, Native American...) Bottom line - even a specialist in hair doesn’t know everything if it goes against a proven factor that works for people Yes oil is a sealant so when you use them ensure your hair is damp or wet. Top it with gel or mouse if needed. Oil with a sulfate or non solfate shampoo can be washed out. Same as a silicone - Btw love your videos!
I’d much rather listen to a TH-camr who grew their hair long than a bald headed cosmetologist. In my opinion the “professional” is the person who can actually do the thing not someone who memorized a theory in school.
@@KimeraYvonne I mean it’s worth a try if you’re curious. But if you’re like me and thousands of other girls who have learned how to take care of our hair by watching TH-camrs you’ve actually grown your hair using oils and deep conditioner and that’s all the proof you really need.
i feel like if they have multiple clients with long hair and great results that should matter too. not just if they had success growing their own hair. you won't know if what they did actually works for most ppl
They think that ALL hair works the same. This is literally the same regimen they recommend for white people. Also, my hair is almost waist length because of the "TH-cam" methods sooooo
I will listen to stylist when they have long and healthy hair like many of my favorite TH-camrs. I personally got hip length hair from TH-camrs. P.s :My hair is the longest and healthiest it has ever been in my entire life.
This..🙌🏽 My hair is waist legnth only AFTER no longer stepping into so called "natural" salons.. After having to shave my head 7yrs ago after irreversible damage caused by relying on solely seasoned cosmetologists..
@@chiquitafederico296 I really believe these stylist have lost a lot of business with naturals doing their own hair and using TH-cam. But I wont be visiting ever again. I do my own trims and if I can't do it myself it won't be done.
@@stephanie4337 You are absolutely right.. 🤔 The more women learn to do their hair themselves the less $$ they end up taking home.. I didn't even factor in that part of it.. But I just know that I've yet to see a stylist in my area with hair longer/healthier then mine.. So I'm gone go ahead and keep listening to "TH-cam University", because that's who saved my hair.. 😌
Girl!!!! When I grew my hair down my back and went into a salon to get it straightened... the stylist told me whatever I’m doing is wrong because I’m not trimming enough, etc... and once I washed my hair, I had irreversible heat damage.
I’ve started washing my hair how Jeniffer Rose recommends and it definitely works for my type 4 hair. Wash days are so much quicker. I shampoo first on dry hair, rinse, shampoo scalp and use the foamy shampoo to detangle, rinse, conditioner with a lot of water. I’m still using deep conditioner because my hair loses moisture quickly and it tends to help. This method has helped me retain length, reduce breakage, and save time. Definitely makes more sense to listen to the professionals instead. If you look up BlackGirlCurls they go more in depth about this method of hair care. They suggest humectant gels and have a list of high quality products you can choose from
I'm going to continue to use my butter and oils and doing the deep conditioners I hair is now hip length, and my daughter is as well; I feel we should do what works for us.
When I take my twists down after a month my hair still be moisturized and it's the Camille Rose brand for me. IDK who is trying to pitch sales but If it's not broke I am not fixing it 😂
I'm most intrigued by the shampooing dry hair tip. This makes sense for me as a straight haired natural. I can really get to my scalp with the cleanser before water touches my hair causing it to draw up and get in the way requiring even more manipulation.
I personally think cosmetologist will say anything bc they know more ppl are doing their own hair instead of going to get it done and they want their customers back
@@kristian5489 I personally do my own hair most times I rely on watching other ppl on TH-cam for pointers to see what they do to get their results it works for me so to each is own 🤷🏾♀️ do what works for you but I stand behind what I said…
@@applepiealamode9496 but your comment doesnt rlly address the claim made. what exactly are they selling? havent seen anyone thats at the forefront of that movement selling anything
@@kristian5489 they want you to come in and get your hair washed and done by them that’s what they do if you do your own they lose bc they’re not receiving your business 🙄 that’s what I meant
This is a great topic. I was told about using just gel and mousse a few years back from my hair stylist who only cares for natural hair. I definitely have cherry picked what works for me. I have definitely struggled with dry hair for my tighter curls but I will say.... when I follow my hairstylist steps, my hair stays moisturized for days. The products unfortunately cost a bit more though...
Woww and the natural stylist here cosign EVERYTHING youtube recommends 😭 I’ll give it a try and see what works for my hair. Which products would you recommend?
@@KimeraYvonne my hair stylist recommended: Ouidad vital curl tress effects styling gel (i like it before it is pretty runny and not thick like some) and Morrocan oil curl control mouse. She did not recommend any oil when styling but said i could use something light afterwards during take down so I chose jojoba oil. I honestly can say it works for me and even though i stray away from this regimen, I always find myself coming back to it. For protein treatment when needed, she recommended oligo intensive replenishing mask and for a non protein deep conditioner (which she said I can also use as my leave in just after a wash), she recommended moroccan oil intensive hydrating mask.
@@KimeraYvonne hope it helps. If you want to see what my hair looked like while using the products, you can just look me up on Instagram. I posted a few pics after I did my twist out with them and no kidding, it works for me.
The Stylists who are now pushing the Newest Regimen in the Natural Hair Community do not have Black Women's best interests in mind. They're angry because we stopped going to their abusive salons. They refused to learn how to actually properly take care of Natural Hair until they started losing money. I've been Natural 15 years and everytime I went to a Salon they were abusive and didn't know what they were doing to my Type4 hair. If your Regimen has been working for you then continue with that.
I stopped oiling my scalp 20-25 years ago when I learned that oil blocks the pores in the scalp. My research stated that oil works best on the length of hair, but not the scalp. No oil worked for me, but I cannot speak for others. In addition, I read that hair is dead, products are good for the limited amount of time (however long the product remains in the hair.) Advice addressing hair porosity and texture makes sense to me because like any porous material, products produce a certain effect based on the ingredients. Think about how your clothing reacts to water, spray starch, anti static products, etc,. Spraying water or starch on cotton makes it easier to iron, where these are not recommended for silks. This analogy is to help understand not a direct correction to how one should treat their hair. My guess is understanding porosity and texture is a good first step to selecting products. Another important but often overlooked step is to read about the ingredients in hair and cosmetics. Cosmetics are not regulated by the FDA, so ingredients that may harm skin, body systems, hormones are used without some warning label. I started by reading a book, but apps are available to assist with identifying harmful ingredients in hair and skin products. I use Think Dirty.
Same ones that say don't use grease and yet we all thrived on it when we were kids. I started using grease to seal again when i didn't have any oil around.
I use shampoo , deep conditioner, green tea spray , oil, and hair butter, braid my hair up and keep it in a protective style and I use a protein treatment when needed as for me and my house this will continue to be my routine
So I tried this and it is now my routine however there was def a learning curve, Im do used to using heavy gels like eco/wetline and doing this method I realized I needed to use lighter/more moisturizing gels. I like the mane choice gels as well as curly magic and the doux foam and gel. My hair has never been so defined, manageable and moisturized.
I’ve watched some TH-camrs who said they don’t even own regular conditioner... they only own deep conditioners. I love a good deep conditioner so I’m not giving that up 😅😅. I do wash my hair every 5 days though.
I loved your honest opinion in this video. One thing you kept saying which stood out to me is "we were taught..." it was youtubers who came on to make videos of them doing their hair. I became a product junkie because every product my favorite clogged used I wanted to buy also, even when I found combinations that worked for me. Many vloggers won't promote or even try a product without being sponsored (whether they give their honest opinion or not). The women on Twitter are cosmetologist and have studied haircare, work on natural hair clients everyday so maybe there is some truth to what they are saying..... but in the end, we have to do what is best of our own hair.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic. I have taken on some of their tips and stopped using RAW oils in my routine and on my type 4 curls are getting do many compliments than ever. They are nit completely against using oils as long as its formulated into a product 5th ingredient down the list. I think the problem comes in is in the delivery rather than what they are promoting. I also wanted to point out the type of gels that they promote are botanical gels, not the harsh ones that break off edges.
I think oil isn't so bad for the hair. Our scalp produces oil naturally so maybe our hair needs oil to be protected. I heard water in the hair shaft makes the strand swell and become more susceptible to breakage, that's why our hair is more fragile while wet.
If your hair naturally produces oil why would you need to add more that makes no sense the oil blocks moisture all your doing is lubricating your hair and adding "shine' but it isn't good in the long run
Lol. What kills me is the fact Indians, Asians, and Africans with long hair down pass their asses and knees use oils, butters, and leave in and their hair is healthier than what I've seen these so called cosmetologist clients hair. These women learned from their ancestors and clearly that is the proof in the pudding. I follow a strictly Indian hair care regimen and my hair grows so damn fast and long. Been on this journey for 10 years hit waist length in five years relaxed after following other long hair relaxed women on TH-cam. Went natural and chopped it all off followed Curly Proverbs and hit near tailbone length long thick natural hair in 5 years. Chopped it off to should length in October still following my Indian hair regimen and back to near midback length almost 7 months later. I use oil, butters, creams, and leave ins. Taught my sisters and take care of my daughters hair and now they have long thick natural hair. As a person who went to cosmetology school I can tell you they don't really teach much on caring for afro textured hair. Just because someone says they are a professional don't think they don't get it things wrong too. Do what works for you. I seldomly see these professional with long healthy hair in the black community. Not saying they aren't there but when you visit a lot of salons with other black hair stylist most of them do not have hair like women I've seen on TH-cam with long, thick, and healthy locks. Do what you feel is best for your hair. You can only learn by trial and error.
not all gels and mousse/wrap foams are created the same, some botanical gels are humectants that leave hair moisturized for a lot longer. i was convinced using wrap foam for twist outs when i started following @stylequeenbeauty on instagram. the twistout results on her clients are amazing and the style lasts a lot longer than a twisting creme/butter for me. i also love jenniferrosenyc she just speaks facts with no bullshit and im glad more ppl are finding her. she's right, some cosmetologists have been saying this for over a decade and it's just now getting traction. same with moknowshair and iamblackgirlcurls
I only used oil during pre poo. I been stopped using cream and butter. Sprays work best 4 me. Less is more. I'm lo porosity. I can never put anything on my scalp. Itch city
I have locs and I use grease blue magic on my scalp, clean my hair 2or3 times in the month I use sulfate shampoo to remove all dirt on my scalp and locs and after mild shampoo to restore the moisture,I deep conditioning only my no locs hair for 5 minutes +with my favorite mix fresh herbs(sage, lavender camomile rosemary ) and rince When I have time I do hot oil treatment but if I don’t I use my blue magic when my hair is 80%dry all this treatment could take me less than 2hours If I used blue magic, I don’t need to put something on my scalp during 2weeks, I will only moisturize my locs with rose water+vitamine D Voilà !!!my lazy regimen it’s what works for me Have a nice day from France
This is why it’s so important to learn your hair. Everybody hair is different what works for me may not work for you. Like for me when I washed my hair every week it wasn’t growing as fast as when I started washing once a month (I learned that tip from my momma not YT) so I wash my hair once a month. I don’t deep condition as much as YT tells me too (once/week) and my hair does seem fine but I remember when I would go to the salon every two weeks I would alternate between deep conditioning and hot oil treatments. I feel like hot oil treatments do me a lot better than oiling my scalp everyday. But anyway I say all this to say that I’ve been doing my hair since 6th grade it’s been 13 years, I learned my hair so I know what works for it and what doesn’t. With YT and professionals we’re just looking for tips to care for our hair but people need to put In the work to learn their hair because hair is not a one size fit all.
Cosmologists want the customers to make that money. Some are starting to learn kinky hair to have more customers come thru the door. Your title should be which is better, stylists vs TH-cam. Make sure YOU provide your followers with good information, because some women do have challenges with their hair and help with those situations. I am a licensed cosmetologist. Keep informing your followers.
Girl I been watchin Jenifer Rose! Love her channel on the YT! You can watch and listen to her commentary/ also deeper than hair too! Some of us like Jennifer says are exceptions to the rule not the rule I'm one of those textures! Lol Thanks honey! I notice something that they said about the new formulas for natural shampoos it has to much oils and butters in it so it doesn't clean as real as it should and I check some of mines Yelp so at least will change to a better higher quality S/ C system weekly, but everything else seems good!
I just happened upon your channel. I agree with you wholeheartedly about all these gurus telling us that everything we’ve learned from TH-cam is wrong after all these years. I finally found a regimen that works for me and my hair is thriving. I cherry-pick from these women and then I do what works for me as we all should do what works for ourselves. I’m not giving up my oils and butters and I even use grease on my scalp. Bottom line: Do you. I love your commentary ❤️
i think a leave in would be good for a fro. a deep conditioning treatment is good if u have something to treat (although id seek professional advice). oils are nice when they come already formulated into quality products. u only need gel if definition and moisture is your end goal. cream is better for lubrication
I went natural in 2015 which is 6 years now. I had a perm for 39 years and a beautician never said that was damaging. I also dyed my hair over 20+ years and no complaints from them on that either. I am dye and perm free using leave'in, deep conditioner, and oils and my hair is thriving. Gels makes my hair feel horrible and dry. I only go to beautician now for my trims.. I don't give a you know what about what a beautician says when I have a regimen that truly works for me.
Ecostyler definitely thinned my edges out. I now use more natural gels. Moknowshair came out with lots of videos recently saying to wash/condition more often. I rewatched her old videos and she’s been saying it forever. I guess with all the TH-camrs I watch, it went completely in one ear and out the other🤣 I definitely need to wash my hair more often. I woke up one day with extremely frizzy hair even after freshly washing/styling. I realized it’s due to being the lazy natural🤣 I don’t think giving up deep conditioning would work for me. I’m afraid to try. Now I just need the energy to do it🤣 Moknowshair said once the cuticle is closed, we can’t get moisture into the hair shaft, creams/oils just sit on top🤯🤯 I’m sitting here putting my wash day off though 🤣 So tired.
Basically ive stopped using afro carribean products on my hair for abt 6 months and yes my hair is growing beautiful all i use is a little coconut oil blue magic after washing and some leave in all in one frm Avon my hair is thriving also once i used a white people perm called pinup and my hair was awesome and it grew so long i cud have it straight or curly loved it haven't Permed my hair now for over 1½yrs now it's the best its ever been
Hey friends! today we're having another discussion about the natural hair community. This conversation was inspired by Cosmetologist @JenniferRoseNYC @camillejanae & @CuseCurlfriend. They are all licensed curl specialist who have been disproving a lot of what TH-cam teaches and they have advice on hows to properly care for our curls. A lot of their tips are seen as controversial because it goes against what many of us have known for our whole lives. No oils? Low porosity hair does not really exist? Use gel or mouse only to style your hair? Shampoo on dry hair? These are a few of their teachings, what do you think? Don’t forget to shop my natural hair and body products 🌻 TheSunflowerChild.com IG: @TheSunflowerChild.co
I already tried gel only or no deep conditioning but it ain't it. Even if it's a botanical gel like, flaxseed or aloe vera , when it's alone it does not do much for me. To me, this is just a plain marketing strategy. Trying to sell something you don't really want or don't even need. I don't see White women shaming other white women online for using raw castor oil. And trust me they do use our castor oil for their hair. But we, are told that it's bad for us?? So we can let other ethnicities exploit, sell and buy avocado oil, castor oil and Shea butter? The Chinese already are in the market for Shea butter but it's bad of us? Make it makes sense.
Yep the natural hair companies have been selling us gimmicks. Every time a new trend comes out, they’re always creating something along the lines of that trend: cowashing, rice water, pre pooing.... The reason why gels are drying hair out is because everyone is swearing by those $3 bottles of plastic gels (wet line and eco styler) if everyone was using botanically based gels, which actually help with moisture, dry hair from gel wouldn’t be a thing. But yea I get confused too about what stylists say but I’m learning that all professionals have their different opinions no matter the profession. Also not every stylist styles hair the same way so their advice is going to always be based on the styles they serve to their clients. A wash n go stylist is not going to give the same advice as an updo stylist.
No oils and No butter means..... NO DIRECT RAW OILS AND BUTTERS on hair, all products contains oils and butter but you need to use the ones that doesn't contains them in the FIRTS 5 INGREDIENTS list and WASH YOUR HAIR FRECUENTLY... for example 2 a week depends of your scalp condition... that is the key Shampoo, conditioner and Leave-in conditioner (in my case) . I don't do the method (black girls curls) extrictly because I live in other country and I got the same information from a professional from other country that speak my native lenguage so I decided to try it and I never go back and I live in a tropical country🔥I dont need to refresh my hair because all is in the wash day🔑. I just use deep steep shampoo and conditioner and the mane choice Leave-in thats all. 🤷🏾♀️
Is it rules or is it science and hair care practice proven by professionals doing 1000s of heads 🤔🤔 I’ve yet to see a professional that has said they don’t like youtubers. They’ve spoken about the misinformation that many youtubers spread. Each of the hair professionals you’ve referenced have IG pages with the receipts.
I called them “rules” bc all professionals do not give the same advice and that’s what makes it confusing. The hair professionals I go to have never mentioned half the things I recently learned about but I still trust their advice
If it’s not broke, don’t fix it 🙅🏾♀️! If what you have been doing to your hair for years has been working and your hair is healthy as well as retaining length, then continue to do it. You know your hair better than anyone else.
@@libfuzzy4629 like she said. People know their hair better than others and you don't know her hair so you can't call her long hair dehydrated because she didn't follow the no oils, no butter trend
Andre Walker, a cosmetologist actually created the hair typing system most TH-camrs use. I find it interesting that many cosmetologist seem to think TH-camrs made this up. Especially since Andre Walker is an award winning cosmetologist.
Some of it can say I’ll give them that but mainly they are upset because the more people learn to care and embrace their hair the less money goes in those pockets that’s why they’re so aggressive my opinion
Black girl curls actually give out free info on how to care for your hair they make alot of money what they're tired of is having women come to their seats with dehydrated damaged hair from slathering oil on it 😳
@@Aaa-te7ei botanical gels are water soluble there fore they wash out easily , oils over time leave build up stopping the hair shaft for absorbing water
@@libfuzzy4629 These are the ingredients in iCreateHold. How water soluble are these ingredients? Are the organic? Necessary? What is the effect long term? Could one not just get some Aloe Vera Gel and water for the same benefits(first two ingredients)? water/aqua/eau, aloe barbadensis gel*, hydroxyethylcellulose, maltodextrin copolymer, potassium hydroxide, gluconolactone, sodium benzoate, calcium gluconate, alkyl acrylate crosspolymer, citrus aurantium dulcis peel oil, caprylic/capric triglyceride, potassium sorbate, sodium phytate, glycerin*, chamomilla recutita (matricaria) flower extract*, eucalyptus globulus leaf extract*, ginkgo biloba leaf extract*, aspalathus linearis leaf extract*, honey extract*, limonene†
Hair care seems to be trial and error. People should do what works for them. The internet in general spreads a lot of misinformation... people can’t blame TH-cam influencers for what individuals decide to do with THEIR hair.
Completely disagree with the low porosity one. A professional is the one that confirmed it, when she applied deep conditioner after thoroughly shampooing my hair and it just sat on my hair but eventually soaked in. Twitter cosmetologist sounding just as uninformed
We really are the only group of women that are this stubborn when it comes to hair. We REFUSE to listen to anyone even based on race (if they aren't black I'm not listening) Oil on the scalp is the WORST thing you can do unless you leave it in for a little and just shampoo/condition (using it as a treatment)
Sorry but this video just lumps all of us into one category as well as the twitters folks mentioned. Our hair is diverse and needs what it needs. I've used the salon products and the products directed towards Black people. What works for me is Suave. That's right $3.00 bottle of Suave conditioner out performs anything else.
The natural hair TH-cam community has been very helpful in my journey. Without it I believe there wouldn’t be as many natural heads as we have nor the products available today. I believe that there are benefits to using oils and butters and feel that regardless of what you put on your hair..styler or butter..you’d have to wash it out. I am not a big fan of the delivery of this new method of haircare as they are not only dispelling what the natural hair community has been saying in addition to some stylists that these natural hair influencers have visited and recorded with the stylists giving tips...literally stating the same as the influencers. You don’t have to bash a community in order to introduce your belief and it seems that every time I look into this no oil no butters method, they are bashing the you tubers. Why? It seems like you are trying to make money in my opinion. What I question is why is that the whole natural hair stylists community isn’t saying the same as these women who are now speaking differently? Why when I read comments some stylists co-sign and agree with using oils and butters? What cosmetology school did these ladies go to that the teaching is so different that they are now teaching other stylists this method?
I'm so glad that you're back and lending your voice to what has become madness in the natural hair care movement. You are the second person to call them out on some of this crazy ass rules and misconceptions that are really just their opinion there's nothing factual behind what they're saying. I know that it really confused me and I got to the point where I just gave up.
I think the styler method is really for preference. I think their main issue was that a lot of black girls aren’t washing their hair enough and are complaining of hair not growing. As there is a huge myth “that dirty hair grows”. Like the girls in the wig communities are telling people to go months without washing hair😕 as long as you’re washing your hair OFTEN I don’t think there’s anything wrong in using creams/butters
Nah I went to a natural hair salon I have 4b/4c hair and my hair under the dryer would not dry for hrs .... my cannot soak up alot of products so that's false.
Side note not every single person can afford "salon" quality products. Those things are expensive. I will say I stopped using shea moisture just because I feel like the formula
Most people can afford them, you invest in what you care about. All these black women spending hundreds on lace fronts can't afford botanical gels and shampoo ??
also, lace fronts are seen as an investment. one qualify wig will last you for years. however a 40 dollar bottle of shampoo won't. its very expensive. natural hair should be natural, affordable, and simple.
They have learned the Science of hair in general and how it operates . The only difference between black hair is the techniques used in styling that's about it lol
@@libfuzzy4629 I noticed that you have responded abundantly in the majority of the comments, especially towards those who are resistant to hairs stylist push on no butters and oils. Why are you pushing so hard? I've been natural for 12yrs. My hair is to the middle of my back(healthy,not dehydrated, and thriving) I wash my hair every 7-10 days. Every wash day I use clarifying shampoo to remove build up and do not follow up moisture shampoo, but deep conditioner/mask. I then use fresh aloe vera juice as leave in and light butters and oil. I wear my hair in twists and rarely out. Not all science is absolute. Science is constant and evolving which is factual. But let's not forget to remember majority of people know their hair better than many stylist who are there to "STYLE =COINS" and not to care or maintain healthier hair.
My hair is very long and healthy. I only go to these hair salons to get my haircut and dyed. I do not go to these cosmetologist for curly hair advice because I fucked up my hair in the past trying to listen to them also each hairstylist has a different opinion on how to take care of my hair. It was TH-camrs who taught me how to properly take care of my hair not hairstylist
I just want to know what salon you’re going to go to thats shampoo your hair on dry hair 🤔 Hair is about trial and error I just say find a routine that works for you and be consistent. Great video
I honestly feel this is also a gimmick.. hear me out.. we the black community that have chosen to return natural do not go to the salons like we used to.. for a lot of us it’s a trust thing because ppls definition of a “trim” vary(you know what I mean lol) soo I feel that some Of these things are indeed true and prolly Should be incorporated but to say deep conditioning is not doing anything(cosmetologists not you) is just blatantly not true- we can literally see the differences over time.. I feel like you said we have to cherry pick because I feel all are seeing the $$ when it comes to our gorgeous multidimensional hair ..
It's not a gimmick it's what top natural hair stylist have been doing since forever. If you look up Anthony dickey you'll even see when he does wash and gos he shampoos , condition and then add the styler on drenched hair, have the client shake their hair then sit them under the dryer for the curls to set . You'll never see him using raw oils and butters . The method is old but people are just now hearing about it
@@libfuzzy4629 I’m not just first hearing about it .. I promise the Dickey method I have tried but Ive also done my research on mr. Dickey and his controversial book as well… to each his own but my hair is thriving … my hair at the salon hit or miss and the price being high consistently < do my own hair not only receive more consistent results and lower consistent price to me it’s obvious… those products used correctly help the hair.. to say it doesn’t is extreme and suspect of a gimmick to me…
15:21 frfr like there's so much misinformation. I do like what Jennifer is saying though. She's been in the hair game a while & has been consistently singing the same song & her clients have results. There are some bomb licensed professionals out here & we need to give them credit. I lowkey notice some ppl taking teachings from these ppl & then regurgitating the teachings as if they came up with it lmao like is your pride that strong? you know damn well you were slapping 15 products on your scalp before you saw their content, stop the cap. "I realized that.." no honey someone told you, just say their name so we can go watch their content.
Honestly, I think the reason this is getting backlash is the delivery and the timing doesn’t seem genuine🤷🏿♀️ the natural hair movement boomed years ago and alot of these stylists didn’t input this message as hard
TH-cam has taught me how to take care of my hair in a way that hairstylists have never. However some of the newer information is trash! The no oil/butters trend is trash. My hair loves heavy butters and oils. And doesn’t operate correctly without it. What i alway say is if it’s not broke don’t fix it. Everybody hair is different. And we need to learn how to cater to our own hair. And avoid following every tread. Another big thing that isn’t popularly mentioned is not every type 4 naturals hair needs a heavy hold to get days outta there styles. My hair loves Moouse and creams and hates heavy gels. The mousses they make nowadays really makes coily wash n gos pop
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I feel like we should just listen to our own hair. I've always done that. I've never listened to rules
Amen to that💛
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same I followed my own mind and my hair is healthy and long. So glad never followed the trend.
Too many of us are doing our own hair and not going to hair salons. Salons kept our hair damaged with heat and perms, and all they do is cut and sell expensive treatments. Your hair is your proof that you know what you're doing. Do what's best for you!
EXACTLY..!!💯
Yes but I’d like to believe science is proof of what is good for hair. The new wave of educated natural hair professionals & stylist are extremely dedicated to researching black hair and how to care for it. So maybe they are worth listening to
@@ayeoritset5049 As soon as I see this new wave of natural hair professionals have years under their belts growing folks hair to waist legnth, the way "TH-cam University" has, is when I'll start to trust the science.. I used the tips and tricks learned here to get my hair from damaged and unable to get past shoulder legnth for a good 25years, to now having waist legnth and still growing.. After big chopping only about 5yrs ago.. So I get what you are saying, but I'm gone wait and see how this fad plays out..
@@ayeoritset5049 I totally agree!⚘
Facts.
I tend to listen lean on the side of the professionals and cosmetologists because i've studied biochemistry myself and what they are saying makes sense and it is evidenced based. i'm all for evidence-based/backed approaches and they have worked on 1000s of clients heads (not just their own hair) with consistent results. the proof is in the pudding. ive looked at several stylists on instagram that follow a similar method and view their clients results. their hair is thriving and the results look great, way better than what i see on youtube naturals. im willing to acknowledge when ive learned incorrect information from TH-cam. i personally never felt the need to oil my scalp, so i never really started. guess i wont start now either lol
I completely agree with your comment.
Yeppp everything they said is true, but too many naturals are stuck in their own ways. I follow the professional advice and it's made life so much easier taking care of and styling my hair
this! but people are reluctant towards change. they dont even fully follow the instructions or recommendation guidelines & then get upset & say everyones hair is different 😕
Thank you 🙏🏿
what they say is not science based. They take a pseudo--science approach to hair care. Many of the things they preach have actually been disproved by actual hair science.
Yes I’m a cosmetologist and I hate shea moisture. It’s just cheap gimmicky products that they sell to black people. If a product is actually black owned then I might support but if it just panders to black people and the product is trash I don’t recommend it. Every time shea moisture clients get in my chair their hair is dry but I guess that helps me keep my job lol. I use nexxus which was a created by the original creator of conditioners. It used to be for salons only before they became sold everywhere. I’ve been using it since I was 10yrs old and my hair just touches my butt and it’s 4C. It’s expensive but it’s the closest you can get to salon products. Joico, chi, biolage etc are other good brands. A high quality mouse like kera care will have moisturizer in the mouse. It will not be like the drug store mouse. I wash my hair often (weekly) to ensure the elasticity of my hair and a clean scalp to ensure my follicles are not getting clogged. The conditioner I put on afterwards has a slight amount of protein that makes the hair shaft stronger. Then once you add color or bleach to your hair, it is no longer natural and you need to switch to a color shampoo and conditioner. That’s a whole other conversation but if people would listen their hair wouldn’t fall out.
Everything the natural community says isn’t wrong. I still use the Loc method when I shingle my clients but instead of leave in, oil and cream I use Leave in, oil and a mouse/gel. Finer hair gets the mouse and coarse hair gets the gel. Good gels are black owned made by black hairdressers. That’s the only gel I buy.
Yesss tips from a cosmetologist💛😭 I wrote down every product you suggested! thank you
Thank you! So which conditioner from nexus do you recommend! Wow!!!
Great tips. I am a heat styled natural so I use Joico. That brand is so good for black hair if you color or use heat regularly. It seriously strengthens the hair but leaves it soft and hydrated.
What shampoo and conditioner do you use?
Moisturizer in the mousse!! 🤯🤯 this comment is a GAME CHANGER
To the angry folks in the comments . The method black girl curls are talking about is not new info what they've been saying is true. No top natural hair stylist is putting raw butters and oils on the clients hair. Look up old videos of Anthony dickey . Notice that when he does wash and gos he'll shampoo, condition then add a styler on drenched hair afterwards he'll have the client shake the excess water off then sit under a dryer to set the curls . (The method also works on tighter curls btw). It's so sad that stylist are getting so much hate for telling the truth . If you want you can continue to use raw oils and butters just know that they don't seal In moisture they make your hair feel lubricated and are hard to wash out of the hair which blocks your strands from absorbing water when it's time to shampoo 🤷🏾♀️
I don't think anyone hates these stylists really. People generally are just resistant to change and resent being told that they're doing something wrong. That's all. The internet just has a way of amplifying peoples feelings. Personally I dont think any amount of professional opinion or scientific research is going to move too many people to chang their hair routines. I think for the most part people are motivated by emotions and are going to do whatever makes them feel good about their hair. Which I think is the best thing.
Honestly, I think it’s the delivery and the timing doesn’t seem genuine
the natural hair movement boomed years ago and alot of these stylists didn’t input this message as hard
@@luanda5389 They've been saying this since 2014/15. Many other stylists have been saying this for years as well. They just underestimated how much youtubers would sway people.
@@luanda5389 they did no one was listening
I have to say before TH-cam I did not see so many black women with long healthy hair. The proof is in the pudding. It can’t all be wrong 🤷🏾♀️ I already tried no oils and washing frequently so I know that it doesn’t work for my 4C hair.
Hi! I understand where you’re coming from! But in the black community we tend to think that the length of our hair determines the health of it which is not true! Thank you for reading!
It doesn’t work for me either. I’m going to continue using what’s worked for me which is oiling my scalp especially during scalp massaging. I will continue to moisturize my hair daily with a curl refresher and water and follow with an oil mist to seal.
I’ve been following the no butters and no oil regimen since December and I must admit. My hair is the softest and most hydrated that it’s been in a long time. I only do wash and go’s and my curls pop! My hair is short to mid-length so I wash it every 5-7 days. I wash, condition, and use a couple of high quality gels recommended by my stylist. The gels I use are actually very moisturizing. Both my base and topper gels contains aloe which is a humectant. Humectants infuses the water from your wash into your hair and it also captures water from the environment. Thus, no additional moisturizer is needed. I hear many say that gels break their edges off and dry out their hair but that’s not the case with top quality gels. These gels are also water soluble so they wash right off during your wash “hour”! Ecostyler and wet line gels are made of cheap byproducts which damages our hair and those gels are forbidden on this program as well. These cheap gels are also non-water soluble so they can clog your hair cuticles as well.
Since starting this new regimen, I have less split ends, detangling is a breeze, and my hair has more movement.
What gels do you use?
@@Ohayitskyanna I start with Uncle Funky’s Daughter. I apply it in the shower on dripping wet hair. I fully saturate my hair with it until it hangs heavy and is the curl pattern I desire. I then put a few pumps of Innersense ICreate Hold gel on my hair. My hair becomes foamy with this. I work it throughout my hair. Both of these gels are humectants and helps to keep my hair soft with hold. I live in Florida which is very humid plus I work out five days a week and go to the beach frequently so I also add a 3rd gel which is an anti humectant. It is Trepadora Papaya Slip. The third gel helps to protect my hair from the environment. It is water soluble too so it washes right off. Please note that these gels works for my hair,. My daughter, whose hair is long, silky with looser curls uses a totally different set of gels on her hair. That is why it is important to go to a good stylist who can assess your hair.
My hair is considered coarse texture with fine to medium strand width. My density is medium and I have what is considered 4C/4b hair.
@@Ohayitskyanna in case you have similar hair to my daughter she uses the following three gels/curling cream for her hair. She starts with Innersense ICreate Volume gel. That is the base gel and she rakes it thru her hair in the shower while soak and wet. Then she puts 5-4 pumps of innersense volumizing foam. And as a topper she puts just a little Innersense Quiet Calm curl creme on the areas with tighter curl pattern. My daughter can go 2 weeks with her wash and go but she has long hair. Shoulder length while curled and bra stap length straight. My daughter hair is curly with just water on it. Sort of like Traci Ellis Ross.
@@mzsbrown2844 you don’t deep condition?
@@jessie4755 I only deep condition once a month now for my stylists feels my hair still need it due to the years of using harsh products. But I do not deep condition every wash like I use to. My stylist tells me that I will deep condition even less as my hair gets better.
At the end of the day . I rather listen to a chemist and trichologist when it comes to hair health . Even Mono knows hair says that styling products doesn’t provide internal moisture but just the smooth feeling we love from conditioners and butter . But the only way to truly hydrate and moisturize hair is shampooing and deep conditioning and she’s a licensed cosmetologist and have booty crack length hair . The only good take away I see everyone agrees is on properly cleansing the hair , with both sulfates and non sulfate shampoo . And restoring that hydration ( and smoothing the hair cuticles ) is deep conditioning . That’s it . Anyone can use any styling products of their desires but should be properly cleansing the hair . Keep the washing and conditioning foundation simple , and the styling products up to your desire .
There’s so much information omg😂 I’m just gonna invest in a good shampoo and conditioner!
THANK YOU
If oils and butters were so bad why Indian women, Japanese women, Native women, French women, Russian women, Aboriginal women, North African women use them?? Would've they not discovered how bad it is way before us?
I agree! Women have been using oils on their hair for decades
Say it again! The no oil and no butter will not work for everyone. It is just a matter of time and another topic will start trending.
They also tend to wash their hair more so maybe that's why. They wash their hair every 1-3 days so they're properly cleansing said oils off. A lot of black women wash their hair every 1-3 weeks which is when they become bad.
@@asiatee7021 oh no , woodabe women and other african women don ´t wash their Hair often. They kept a mix of oil , clay or powder on their Hair for long time ! ... low manipulation .
They wash their Hair with ambunu , nkui , hibiscus leaf, nopal leaf, arappu powder ... it exists so much
Use what agrees with your hair. To each his own. Me? I use lanolin or castor oil. What ever is available, truthfully. My hair happens to be in locs. I wash it, when dirty, condition it as needed, and grease it. I don't go with every new trend that comes along. Never have in the past, not about to start now. As a result, my hair is thick and healthy. 😁
I think these people are only saying this because the cosmetology industry is definitely tanking. Literally what they teach in cosmetology school is how to take care of straight textured hair, not curly or kinky hair. My hair loves deep conditioners, loves my Leavins, loves my sealant such as oils or Shea butter. Also I haven’t been to a salon on a regular basis in about seven years, my hair is thriving. When I used to go to the salon every three weeks my hair never grew past my damn collarbone. Thank you for educating us on what these people were talking about I like these type of interactive videos.
I’m glad you enjoyed 💛💛 Thank you for your comment
I agree. I went to cosmetology school and they did not teach how to care for black women hair or women with afro textured hair. Cosmetology school in regards to the hair section for women is more based on styling, coloring, cutting, chemical treatments, and some braiding for extensions but that's about it. As a natural hair black woman in a mixed race cosmetology school they did not know how to deal with my hair when we would pair up to practice. When I stopped taking advice from other so called cosmetologist years ago my hair started to flourish taking advice from other women on TH-cam. I reached waist length twice in this 10 year journey. I spent 5 years relaxed waist length and 5 years natural near tailbone length. Chopped it off to shoulder length in October 2020 and now again near 7 months later already grazing midback length. I use oils, butters and leave ins too. People need to just listen to their hair and care for it accordingly. Thanks for telling your story!
I tried their routine and my shit was drryyyyyyyyyyy like start a firrrrrrreeee dry. Love the convo 💕. I agree about becoming a minimalist tho i use to go crazy on the products but less is more when it comes to product . I’m just a confused as you lol
reallyyy I was thinking of trying it in my next video but i’m still iffy about it😂
my results were the opposite lol, my wash and go's are a million times better
Lmao 😂
I have pretty kinky 4c hair and let me tell you I was so sceptical of the no oils/no butter movement, until I tried it myself. I still use products that are formulated with oils and butters but I think what iamblackgirlcurls are against is using RAW oils and butters. Before I use to seal my braid out with shea butter or blue magic and my hair use to feel soft, but use to be so greasy, my hair so limp and weighed down, and my definition only use to last 2 days, 3 days max! Now use a leave in and a mousse for my braid outs. My hair is so soft and fluffy. I'm on a day 5 braid out and there is still definition and my hair is still soft, plus I don't get that greasy feeling whenever I touch my hair. I'm still building up my courage to try styling with only a mousse but I'll definitely try that soon. I also noticed ever since I clarified my hair, it's been retaining moisture better and when i apply products it just doesn't sit on my hair. It's a game changer! I'll say dont knock it till you try it
Thats so good! what clarifying shampoo do you like?
@@KimeraYvonne I live in the UK so I got a cheap tresemme one. It's called the cleanse and replenish shampoo. Only £2.50 for a huge 900ml bottle so my bank account is happy lol. I've watched a few U.S youtubers and they say the VO5 clarifying shampoo is really good, and that's quite cheap too
I finally figured out less is more. When I was younger, my grandmother took care of my hair and it was past my butt. All she did was wash it, detangle, grease it, and then plait it and I had that style until it got frizzy lol. As far as hair type, I never used that system but I did hear it was something created by someone on Oprah's hair team. In the end, people should do what is best for their hair. Some people wash and co-wash all in one week and have the prettiest head of hair and it is long...me if I was to do that, my hair would be extra brittle. Trial and error until you figure it out but I also feel like hair does change so what works not may not work in a few years
Wow. Someone on Oprah's hair time who initially didn't even have 4c as a hair type before hand
A lot of people don’t talk about how climate and hard water affect your hair too. The same approach may not work for everyone depending on these two factors.🤷🏽♀️
THISSS! I was blessed to have grown up with a water softener but college dorm life showed me how hard water can affect hair and skin 🤦🏾♀️
Facts! I need to get the list that Black Girl Curls has bc they name conditioners that work better with hard water.
BOTTOMLINE:
Professional Hairdressers had at least
ONE HUNDRED YEARS as the
ONLY HAIR GURUS we had and they
used those HUNDRED YEARS
to pretty much keep us relatively bald🎯
Now that we have taken matters into our own hands and had much more success growing our hair than they did,
they want to talk SMACK.
Y'all can do what y'all want,
but I personally will NEVER
listen to a Hair Dresser,
and I will NOT let one EVER
touch me hair.
THEY ARE FIRED/CANCELLED
- DEAD TO ME🎯
I tried what they said and my hair has been THRIVING. By gel, they mean botanical gel that is a humectant and is water-based without any alcohols/oils. Also, I don't style my hair everyday. I use the botanical gel, set it with a hard gel that doesn't leave a hard cast and that lasts me up until my next wash day. My hair has been ON POINT ever since I have started doing this!
ok! do you have a gel you recommend?
Yes same here! I am in love with this process 😊
@@KimeraYvonne yes. The uncle funkys curl magic and then set it with the aunt Jackie’s “ice curls” or flax seed gel ! No crunch and great definition and longevity
The problem is that ppl think ppl on TH-cam are the majority and that’s not the case. TH-camrs are doing trial and error and many women are following them. A cosmetologist has biochemistry insights and as a scientist a lot of stuff is bs. Now deep conditioners and conditioners function differently so I’m not sure why they were written off
Thank you! People keep mentioning the TH-cam girlies that use oils and stuff that are waist length but that's NOT the majority of black women, if you were to walk outside the majority of the black women you see would have short to medium length hair. Obviously the TH-cam girls are the EXCEPTION not THE RULE when it comes to haircare. Therefore, trying something new and different would probably be beneficial to most black women.
I'm natural with kinky curly hair and I stand by this info. I tried it and i also grew long damaged natural hair past my waist using natural hair community hacks. My hair is WAY more healthy now. Go see a dermatologist if you are skeptical. We got duped into thinking our hair is different but it isn't. Our hair is the same just a different curl pattern. What matters more is hair density, fine or thick hair, low or high porosity etc. We got duped.
If cosmetologist were so concerned about how we do our hair, they should've started the movement themselves and told us to stop using perms and relaxers!!
You think these ladies relax their hair???
@@maramma4780 No I don't think they relax their hair!! I think that when we were visiting hair salons that the cosmetologist should have suggested that we all go natural, then their opinions would matter when it comes to the Natural Hair Movement!!
@@dreampossible2 they are natural hair stylists. not every black stylist is a textured hair specialist.
@@kristian5489 Yes, hair stylists aren't anti-relaxer. Unless they specifically focus on natural hair clients.
a lot of them did
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 just beautiful ❤️ teach sis!
When they say to use a gel they are talking about natural botanical gels not gels like eco,wet line, etc. I think that these types of gels won’t make your hair crunchy.
Botanical gels not plastic based gels like eco styler or wetline.
Plus using straight oils break down botanical gels just like oil breaks down makeup. Which isn't a good idea if you want your style to last.
Also they say oils and butters have their place and their place is inside the formulated haircare products that we use. So we don't need to add more oils and butters on top.
I'm not gonna lie I don't miss that greasy residue that gets on my fingers and basically everything my hair touches that I used to get when I used straight olive oil as a sealant. (I can now rest my head on the wall without fear of leaving an oil patch!).
Plus my complete "wash day"(which used to take 3+ hours has been cut in half to 1 hour and twenty minutes)
So yeah there are pros to getting out of your comfort zone and trying something new, and trust me I was a total skeptic before trying it out.
Why not check out the Black Girl Curls channel on youtube, they tell you the why of this no raw butters/oil thing
Also The Hair Doula has some concise videos on this topic
Greenbeauty and the Curly Chemistry.
thank you for that explanation!
Yessssss👌🏾😊
yes tell them！ people need to try this before give a valuable opinion, I do on my hair and works really well,no more oils and butters for me!
And those specialists they use this method for a long time ago, I don't understand why this became a trend!
This is going to be a debate. Not all 4c hair is the same. No matter the type of gel I use, my hair will be dry faster than my bank account except I use a sealant (oil or shea butter). Their advice is not for everyone
They're losing money so what do we expect. My hair HATES GELS. My hair loves everything Natural. I have learnt a lot from TH-cam. My hair is doing way better than 10+ years of salons visits. 🤷🏾♀
there are natural/botanical gels
Couldn't agree with you more. They have been losing a lot of money hence their profit margins are down. The long term lockdown has hit them hard. Everyone has to do what is best for their own hair. However I do wonder what powers and principalities are paying them to divide and conquer. This always happens when black people start to leave the plantation, even with our own hair.
Ps:has anyone noticed the amount of relaxed hair recommendations recently?
@@mirandaokon yes, I’ve had so many relaxed hair recommendations
They likely mean botanical gels. Botanical gels contain film forming humectant like aloe vera, nettle, marshmallow root, and slippery elm. You could literally just incorporate these ingredients into your routine without having to buy a product. I don’t understand why people are trying to cancel oils/butters just because botanical gels exist.
@@kathleenadeshoga8415 do you know somes brands, please ?
I love butter and oil, I feel like it helps my hair. I can’t imagine using just gel or mousse. I know that will dry out my hair.
Exactly🔥🔥
When I first heard that, that’s what I was thinking. But, they mean botanical gels. Botanical gels have oils and aloe in them. They’re saying raw oils are too heavy for our hair. They just believe that using a lot of water will hydrate and then seal with condition. In general, curl specialists sound very knowledgeable. But, I don’t care for their approach.
@@kiarasligh1241 Yeah, I know. I like botanical gels. I still not think this with work for everyone it feels like a one size fix all. Some people have scalp issues, some people wear wigs/ protective styles etc. It may work for thinner hair and washngos but everyone doesn’t wear them.
@@kiarasligh1241 botanical gels are more moisturizing also I love them
Sure they might be a re-set period. After Like a week or so your hair may remain soft and softer for longer.
I don't know why we are trying to reinvent the wheel. We all had natural hair. What did your mom do to your hair? It still works 🤷🏽♀️
I definitely have at least 3 “hair types” going on in my head
Yes I agree. I just can not see myself not using oils or butters. Also, just using a gel or mouse just doesn't seem right to me because when ever I used a gel or mouse it would make my hair feel dry and hard especially if I did not use some kind of moisturizer and a oil to seal in the moisturizer before applying gel.
Just the styler sounded crazy to me, too. But once you remove the build up from the hair and correct your shampoo and conditioning process, you really only need the styler. Also, uncle funkys daughter curl magic is the best leave in ive ever used. It’s a botanical gel but it feels like a hydrating leave in.
I’ve been natural since 1997. There were NO natural hair products back then. I believe the need for natural hair products, e.g. Shea Moisture, came out of the need for moisturizing products with less chemicals. Look, salons and stylists were not even promoting natural hair until recently. If somebody is using a product and their hair is still left dry, 9 times out of 10 it’s the technique and application that is wrong and not necessarily the product. Try the mousse- if you like it, keep using it. If you don’t, try something else. And my hair and skin love oils and butters too. The most important aspect to me are having products which are NATURAL and not having other adverse effects to my health. As someone who has autoimmune disorders, I’m not about to go back to chemical-laden products to worsen my condition. That goes for not only what I put on my body but what I also put IN my body. Listen to your hair and your body. Learn to perfect your technique.
FYI, even “natural” products are chemicals. Chemicals aren’t bad. What you mean are toxic chemicals.
Makes sense to just use gel only, but I’m going to once my way by using a spray leave in and an oil. The more product the longer it takes to dry and the harder it is for your gel to effectively capture your curl. More product reduces / dilutes the gel styler from working. Yes I agree wash every 3 to 5 days. Easier on your hair, less to detangle, less shed hair, less maintenance = less breakage - so much... I use to deep condition every wash, now I do it when my hair asks. Use a non alcohol based gel - eco styler or wet line. Scrunch out the crunch after drying your hair -
I love everything about this comment! I’ll try out the alcohol free gels and deep condition only when needed
I also wanted to say hun, I’d be weary with the last cosmetologist - oils have been in many generations upon generations (Indian, black, Native American...)
Bottom line - even a specialist in hair doesn’t know everything if it goes against a proven factor that works for people
Yes oil is a sealant so when you use them ensure your hair is damp or wet. Top it with gel or mouse if needed. Oil with a sulfate or non solfate shampoo can be washed out. Same as a silicone -
Btw love your videos!
Shal Perk thank you ! oils are definitely a necessity in my routine and i’ve seen the results of using oil to grow my hair out.
I’d much rather listen to a TH-camr who grew their hair long than a bald headed cosmetologist. In my opinion the “professional” is the person who can actually do the thing not someone who memorized a theory in school.
Exactly thats why i’m so torn😂 Part of me wants to listen but.... years of hair growth and retention doesnt lie
@@KimeraYvonne I mean it’s worth a try if you’re curious. But if you’re like me and thousands of other girls who have learned how to take care of our hair by watching TH-camrs you’ve actually grown your hair using oils and deep conditioner and that’s all the proof you really need.
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i feel like if they have multiple clients with long hair and great results that should matter too. not just if they had success growing their own hair. you won't know if what they did actually works for most ppl
@@kathleenadeshoga8415 I know what works for me, that’s all I need to know.
They think that ALL hair works the same. This is literally the same regimen they recommend for white people. Also, my hair is almost waist length because of the "TH-cam" methods sooooo
I will listen to stylist when they have long and healthy hair like many of my favorite TH-camrs. I personally got hip length hair from TH-camrs.
P.s :My hair is the longest and healthiest it has ever been in my entire life.
This..🙌🏽 My hair is waist legnth only AFTER no longer stepping into so called "natural" salons.. After having to shave my head 7yrs ago after irreversible damage caused by relying on solely seasoned cosmetologists..
@@chiquitafederico296 I really believe these stylist have lost a lot of business with naturals doing their own hair and using TH-cam. But I wont be visiting ever again. I do my own trims and if I can't do it myself it won't be done.
@@stephanie4337 You are absolutely right.. 🤔 The more women learn to do their hair themselves the less $$ they end up taking home.. I didn't even factor in that part of it.. But I just know that I've yet to see a stylist in my area with hair longer/healthier then mine.. So I'm gone go ahead and keep listening to "TH-cam University", because that's who saved my hair.. 😌
Girl!!!! When I grew my hair down my back and went into a salon to get it straightened... the stylist told me whatever I’m doing is wrong because I’m not trimming enough, etc... and once I washed my hair, I had irreversible heat damage.
I’ve started washing my hair how Jeniffer Rose recommends and it definitely works for my type 4 hair. Wash days are so much quicker. I shampoo first on dry hair, rinse, shampoo scalp and use the foamy shampoo to detangle, rinse, conditioner with a lot of water. I’m still using deep conditioner because my hair loses moisture quickly and it tends to help. This method has helped me retain length, reduce breakage, and save time. Definitely makes more sense to listen to the professionals instead. If you look up BlackGirlCurls they go more in depth about this method of hair care. They suggest humectant gels and have a list of high quality products you can choose from
I'm going to continue to use my butter and oils and doing the deep conditioners I hair is now hip length, and my daughter is as well; I feel we should do what works for us.
When I take my twists down after a month my hair still be moisturized and it's the Camille Rose brand for me. IDK who is trying to pitch sales but If it's not broke I am not fixing it 😂
I'm most intrigued by the shampooing dry hair tip. This makes sense for me as a straight haired natural. I can really get to my scalp with the cleanser before water touches my hair causing it to draw up and get in the way requiring even more manipulation.
thats true!!
I personally think cosmetologist will say anything bc they know more ppl are doing their own hair instead of going to get it done and they want their customers back
i would understand this pov but the ones i follow arent rlly selling anything. it’s literally just free information how is that bringing in business
@@kristian5489 I personally do my own hair most times I rely on watching other ppl on TH-cam for pointers to see what they do to get their results it works for me so to each is own 🤷🏾♀️ do what works for you but I stand behind what I said…
@@applepiealamode9496 but your comment doesnt rlly address the claim made. what exactly are they selling? havent seen anyone thats at the forefront of that movement selling anything
@@kristian5489 they want you to come in and get your hair washed and done by them that’s what they do if you do your own they lose bc they’re not receiving your business 🙄 that’s what I meant
This is a great topic. I was told about using just gel and mousse a few years back from my hair stylist who only cares for natural hair. I definitely have cherry picked what works for me. I have definitely struggled with dry hair for my tighter curls but I will say.... when I follow my hairstylist steps, my hair stays moisturized for days. The products unfortunately cost a bit more though...
Woww and the natural stylist here cosign EVERYTHING youtube recommends 😭 I’ll give it a try and see what works for my hair. Which products would you recommend?
@@KimeraYvonne my hair stylist recommended: Ouidad vital curl tress effects styling gel (i like it before it is pretty runny and not thick like some) and Morrocan oil curl control mouse. She did not recommend any oil when styling but said i could use something light afterwards during take down so I chose jojoba oil. I honestly can say it works for me and even though i stray away from this regimen, I always find myself coming back to it. For protein treatment when needed, she recommended oligo intensive replenishing mask and for a non protein deep conditioner (which she said I can also use as my leave in just after a wash), she recommended moroccan oil intensive hydrating mask.
Just Tanoe Adding these to my amazon cart right now thank you!
@@KimeraYvonne hope it helps. If you want to see what my hair looked like while using the products, you can just look me up on Instagram. I posted a few pics after I did my twist out with them and no kidding, it works for me.
All I know is if your black you need to moisture your hair with some oil.Not too much,just the right amount
Cosmetologist just want us to walk around with crunchy hair from gel or mousse... like a Brillo pad or tumbleweed 😵😩
Botanical gels don't leave your hair crunchy and there are moisturizing mousses out there that have different holds lol
The Stylists who are now pushing the Newest Regimen in the Natural Hair Community do not have Black Women's best interests in mind. They're angry because we stopped going to their abusive salons. They refused to learn how to actually properly take care of Natural Hair until they started losing money. I've been Natural 15 years and everytime I went to a Salon they were abusive and didn't know what they were doing to my Type4 hair. If your Regimen has been working for you then continue with that.
So all the salons didn’t know? Or just the ones you went to
I stopped oiling my scalp 20-25 years ago when I learned that oil blocks the pores in the scalp. My research stated that oil works best on the length of hair, but not the scalp. No oil worked for me, but I cannot speak for others. In addition, I read that hair is dead, products are good for the limited amount of time (however long the product remains in the hair.) Advice addressing hair porosity and texture makes sense to me because like any porous material, products produce a certain effect based on the ingredients. Think about how your clothing reacts to water, spray starch, anti static products, etc,. Spraying water or starch on cotton makes it easier to iron, where these are not recommended for silks. This analogy is to help understand not a direct correction to how one should treat their hair. My guess is understanding porosity and texture is a good first step to selecting products. Another important but often overlooked step is to read about the ingredients in hair and cosmetics. Cosmetics are not regulated by the FDA, so ingredients that may harm skin, body systems, hormones are used without some warning label. I started by reading a book, but apps are available to assist with identifying harmful ingredients in hair and skin products. I use Think Dirty.
I disagree my hair would break off if I didn’t deep condition and use leave in . My hair is way too thick for that
I need my oils and a good leave in.
Same ones that say don't use grease and yet we all thrived on it when we were kids. I started using grease to seal again when i didn't have any oil around.
I use shampoo , deep conditioner, green tea spray , oil, and hair butter, braid my hair up and keep it in a protective style and I use a protein treatment when needed as for me and my house this will continue to be my routine
So I tried this and it is now my routine however there was def a learning curve, Im do used to using heavy gels like eco/wetline and doing this method I realized I needed to use lighter/more moisturizing gels. I like the mane choice gels as well as curly magic and the doux foam and gel. My hair has never been so defined, manageable and moisturized.
I also use light leave ins sometimes too even though its not recommended. It gives my hair more weight and I use it sparingly
I’ve watched some TH-camrs who said they don’t even own regular conditioner... they only own deep conditioners. I love a good deep conditioner so I’m not giving that up 😅😅. I do wash my hair every 5 days though.
I loved your honest opinion in this video. One thing you kept saying which stood out to me is "we were taught..." it was youtubers who came on to make videos of them doing their hair. I became a product junkie because every product my favorite clogged used I wanted to buy also, even when I found combinations that worked for me. Many vloggers won't promote or even try a product without being sponsored (whether they give their honest opinion or not). The women on Twitter are cosmetologist and have studied haircare, work on natural hair clients everyday so maybe there is some truth to what they are saying..... but in the end, we have to do what is best of our own hair.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic. I have taken on some of their tips and stopped using RAW oils in my routine and on my type 4 curls are getting do many compliments than ever. They are nit completely against using oils as long as its formulated into a product 5th ingredient down the list. I think the problem comes in is in the delivery rather than what they are promoting. I also wanted to point out the type of gels that they promote are botanical gels, not the harsh ones that break off edges.
I think oil isn't so bad for the hair. Our scalp produces oil naturally so maybe our hair needs oil to be protected. I heard water in the hair shaft makes the strand swell and become more susceptible to breakage, that's why our hair is more fragile while wet.
If your hair naturally produces oil why would you need to add more that makes no sense the oil blocks moisture all your doing is lubricating your hair and adding "shine' but it isn't good in the long run
Lol. What kills me is the fact Indians, Asians, and Africans with long hair down pass their asses and knees use oils, butters, and leave in and their hair is healthier than what I've seen these so called cosmetologist clients hair. These women learned from their ancestors and clearly that is the proof in the pudding. I follow a strictly Indian hair care regimen and my hair grows so damn fast and long. Been on this journey for 10 years hit waist length in five years relaxed after following other long hair relaxed women on TH-cam. Went natural and chopped it all off followed Curly Proverbs and hit near tailbone length long thick natural hair in 5 years. Chopped it off to should length in October still following my Indian hair regimen and back to near midback length almost 7 months later. I use oil, butters, creams, and leave ins. Taught my sisters and take care of my daughters hair and now they have long thick natural hair. As a person who went to cosmetology school I can tell you they don't really teach much on caring for afro textured hair. Just because someone says they are a professional don't think they don't get it things wrong too. Do what works for you. I seldomly see these professional with long healthy hair in the black community. Not saying they aren't there but when you visit a lot of salons with other black hair stylist most of them do not have hair like women I've seen on TH-cam with long, thick, and healthy locks. Do what you feel is best for your hair. You can only learn by trial and error.
not all gels and mousse/wrap foams are created the same, some botanical gels are humectants that leave hair moisturized for a lot longer. i was convinced using wrap foam for twist outs when i started following @stylequeenbeauty on instagram. the twistout results on her clients are amazing and the style lasts a lot longer than a twisting creme/butter for me. i also love jenniferrosenyc she just speaks facts with no bullshit and im glad more ppl are finding her. she's right, some cosmetologists have been saying this for over a decade and it's just now getting traction. same with moknowshair and iamblackgirlcurls
I only used oil during pre poo. I been stopped using cream and butter. Sprays work best 4 me. Less is more. I'm lo porosity. I can never put anything on my scalp. Itch city
I have locs and I use grease blue magic on my scalp, clean my hair 2or3 times in the month
I use sulfate shampoo to remove all dirt on my scalp and locs and after mild shampoo to restore the moisture,I deep conditioning only my no locs hair for 5 minutes +with my favorite mix fresh herbs(sage, lavender camomile rosemary ) and rince
When I have time I do hot oil treatment but if I don’t I use my blue magic when my hair is 80%dry all this treatment could take me less than 2hours
If I used blue magic, I don’t need to put something on my scalp during 2weeks, I will only moisturize my locs with rose water+vitamine D
Voilà !!!my lazy regimen it’s what works for me
Have a nice day from France
My hair feels so soft after I stopped using oils and butters. And wash day is sooo much faster
This is why it’s so important to learn your hair. Everybody hair is different what works for me may not work for you. Like for me when I washed my hair every week it wasn’t growing as fast as when I started washing once a month (I learned that tip from my momma not YT) so I wash my hair once a month. I don’t deep condition as much as YT tells me too (once/week) and my hair does seem fine but I remember when I would go to the salon every two weeks I would alternate between deep conditioning and hot oil treatments. I feel like hot oil treatments do me a lot better than oiling my scalp everyday. But anyway I say all this to say that I’ve been doing my hair since 6th grade it’s been 13 years, I learned my hair so I know what works for it and what doesn’t. With YT and professionals we’re just looking for tips to care for our hair but people need to put In the work to learn their hair because hair is not a one size fit all.
Eco styler black castor oil flaxseed oil gel is Everything ❤ it’s moisturizing and doesn’t flake.
Cosmologists want the customers to make that money. Some are starting to learn kinky hair to have more customers come thru the door. Your title should be which is better, stylists vs TH-cam. Make sure YOU provide your followers with good information, because some women do have challenges with their hair and help with those situations. I am a licensed cosmetologist. Keep informing your followers.
A couple years ago i stopped buying so many products, but I do use oil and moose .
Girl I been watchin Jenifer Rose! Love her channel on the YT! You can watch and listen to her commentary/ also deeper than hair too! Some of us like Jennifer says are exceptions to the rule not the rule I'm one of those textures! Lol Thanks honey! I notice something that they said about the new formulas for natural shampoos it has to much oils and butters in it so it doesn't clean as real as it should and I check some of mines Yelp so at least will change to a better higher quality S/ C system weekly, but everything else seems good!
Hola , im from the caribe , so thanks to TH-cam and you guys , i finally understand my hair , before that i was lost
I just happened upon your channel. I agree with you wholeheartedly about all these gurus telling us that everything we’ve learned from TH-cam is wrong after all these years. I finally found a regimen that works for me and my hair is thriving. I cherry-pick from these women and then I do what works for me as we all should do what works for ourselves. I’m not giving up my oils and butters and I even use grease on my scalp. Bottom line: Do you. I love your commentary ❤️
I’m so glad you found me! Thank you so much for the support 🤍
coming from someone who is primarily team cosmetologist/simple haircare, HOWEVER, i gotta say a lot (not all, but a lot) depends on your goals
i think a leave in would be good for a fro. a deep conditioning treatment is good if u have something to treat (although id seek professional advice). oils are nice when they come already formulated into quality products. u only need gel if definition and moisture is your end goal. cream is better for lubrication
I went natural in 2015 which is 6 years now. I had a perm for 39 years and a beautician never said that was damaging. I also dyed my hair over 20+ years and no complaints from them on that either. I am dye and perm free using leave'in, deep conditioner, and oils and my hair is thriving. Gels makes my hair feel horrible and dry. I only go to beautician now for my trims.. I don't give a you know what about what a beautician says when I have a regimen that truly works for me.
Ecostyler definitely thinned my edges out. I now use more natural gels. Moknowshair came out with lots of videos recently saying to wash/condition more often. I rewatched her old videos and she’s been saying it forever. I guess with all the TH-camrs I watch, it went completely in one ear and out the other🤣 I definitely need to wash my hair more often. I woke up one day with extremely frizzy hair even after freshly washing/styling. I realized it’s due to being the lazy natural🤣 I don’t think giving up deep conditioning would work for me. I’m afraid to try. Now I just need the energy to do it🤣 Moknowshair said once the cuticle is closed, we can’t get moisture into the hair shaft, creams/oils just sit on top🤯🤯 I’m sitting here putting my wash day off though 🤣 So tired.
Basically ive stopped using afro carribean products on my hair for abt 6 months and yes my hair is growing beautiful all i use is a little coconut oil blue magic after washing and some leave in all in one frm Avon my hair is thriving also once i used a white people perm called pinup and my hair was awesome and it grew so long i cud have it straight or curly loved it haven't Permed my hair now for over 1½yrs now it's the best its ever been
Hey friends! today we're having another discussion about the natural hair community. This conversation was inspired by Cosmetologist @JenniferRoseNYC @camillejanae & @CuseCurlfriend. They are all licensed curl specialist who have been disproving a lot of what TH-cam teaches and they have advice on hows to properly care for our curls. A lot of their tips are seen as controversial because it goes against what many of us have known for our whole lives. No oils? Low porosity hair does not really exist? Use gel or mouse only to style your hair? Shampoo on dry hair? These are a few of their teachings, what do you think?
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I already tried gel only or no deep conditioning but it ain't it. Even if it's a botanical gel like, flaxseed or aloe vera , when it's alone it does not do much for me.
To me, this is just a plain marketing strategy. Trying to sell something you don't really want or don't even need. I don't see White women shaming other white women online for using raw castor oil. And trust me they do use our castor oil for their hair. But we, are told that it's bad for us?? So we can let other ethnicities exploit, sell and buy avocado oil, castor oil and Shea butter? The Chinese already are in the market for Shea butter but it's bad of us? Make it makes sense.
Yep the natural hair companies have been selling us gimmicks. Every time a new trend comes out, they’re always creating something along the lines of that trend: cowashing, rice water, pre pooing....
The reason why gels are drying hair out is because everyone is swearing by those $3 bottles of plastic gels (wet line and eco styler) if everyone was using botanically based gels, which actually help with moisture, dry hair from gel wouldn’t be a thing.
But yea I get confused too about what stylists say but I’m learning that all professionals have their different opinions no matter the profession. Also not every stylist styles hair the same way so their advice is going to always be based on the styles they serve to their clients. A wash n go stylist is not going to give the same advice as an updo stylist.
Also there are, sadly, stylists who actually don’t know what they’re doing to further add that into the mix.
Fantastic upload! Everything we need is already there - in nature :) Well done!
No oils and No butter means..... NO DIRECT RAW OILS AND BUTTERS on hair, all products contains oils and butter but you need to use the ones that doesn't contains them in the FIRTS 5 INGREDIENTS list and WASH YOUR HAIR FRECUENTLY... for example 2 a week depends of your scalp condition... that is the key Shampoo, conditioner and Leave-in conditioner (in my case) . I don't do the method (black girls curls) extrictly because I live in other country and I got the same information from a professional from other country that speak my native lenguage so I decided to try it and I never go back and I live in a tropical country🔥I dont need to refresh my hair because all is in the wash day🔑. I just use deep steep shampoo and conditioner and the mane choice Leave-in thats all. 🤷🏾♀️
Is it rules or is it science and hair care practice proven by professionals doing 1000s of heads 🤔🤔 I’ve yet to see a professional that has said they don’t like youtubers. They’ve spoken about the misinformation that many youtubers spread. Each of the hair professionals you’ve referenced have IG pages with the receipts.
I called them “rules” bc all professionals do not give the same advice and that’s what makes it confusing. The hair professionals I go to have never mentioned half the things I recently learned about but I still trust their advice
If it’s not broke, don’t fix it 🙅🏾♀️! If what you have been doing to your hair for years has been working and your hair is healthy as well as retaining length, then continue to do it. You know your hair better than anyone else.
Long hair doesn't equal healthy hair, the long hair may be dehydrated
@@libfuzzy4629 like she said. People know their hair better than others and you don't know her hair so you can't call her long hair dehydrated because she didn't follow the no oils, no butter trend
Andre Walker, a cosmetologist actually created the hair typing system most TH-camrs use. I find it interesting that many cosmetologist seem to think TH-camrs made this up. Especially since Andre Walker is an award winning cosmetologist.
I don't know about higher quality..all I usually see in the ingredients on high end salon products are just a ton of cheap chemicals
Ooo really that’s interesting 😳
Some of it can say I’ll give them that but mainly they are upset because the more people learn to care and embrace their hair the less money goes in those pockets that’s why they’re so aggressive my opinion
Black girl curls actually give out free info on how to care for your hair they make alot of money what they're tired of is having women come to their seats with dehydrated damaged hair from slathering oil on it 😳
@@libfuzzy4629 please tell me the difference btw slathering gels and slathering oils
@@Aaa-te7ei botanical gels are water soluble there fore they wash out easily , oils over time leave build up stopping the hair shaft for absorbing water
@@libfuzzy4629 please give me the data to support that oils cannot be washed out using surfactants
@@libfuzzy4629 These are the ingredients in iCreateHold. How water soluble are these ingredients? Are the organic? Necessary? What is the effect long term? Could one not just get some Aloe Vera Gel and water for the same benefits(first two ingredients)?
water/aqua/eau, aloe barbadensis gel*, hydroxyethylcellulose, maltodextrin copolymer, potassium hydroxide, gluconolactone, sodium benzoate, calcium gluconate, alkyl acrylate crosspolymer, citrus aurantium dulcis peel oil, caprylic/capric triglyceride, potassium sorbate, sodium phytate, glycerin*, chamomilla recutita (matricaria) flower extract*, eucalyptus globulus leaf extract*, ginkgo biloba leaf extract*, aspalathus linearis leaf extract*, honey extract*, limonene†
Hair care seems to be trial and error. People should do what works for them. The internet in general spreads a lot of misinformation... people can’t blame TH-cam influencers for what individuals decide to do with THEIR hair.
I appreciate you! 💗
Completely disagree with the low porosity one. A professional is the one that confirmed it, when she applied deep conditioner after thoroughly shampooing my hair and it just sat on my hair but eventually soaked in.
Twitter cosmetologist sounding just as uninformed
We really are the only group of women that are this stubborn when it comes to hair. We REFUSE to listen to anyone even based on race (if they aren't black I'm not listening) Oil on the scalp is the WORST thing you can do unless you leave it in for a little and just shampoo/condition (using it as a treatment)
My scalp loves oils! Depends on the person iguess 🥰 everyone’s different
Sorry but this video just lumps all of us into one category as well as the twitters folks mentioned. Our hair is diverse and needs what it needs. I've used the salon products and the products directed towards Black people. What works for me is Suave. That's right $3.00 bottle of Suave conditioner out performs anything else.
The natural hair TH-cam community has been very helpful in my journey. Without it I believe there wouldn’t be as many natural heads as we have nor the products available today. I believe that there are benefits to using oils and butters and feel that regardless of what you put on your hair..styler or butter..you’d have to wash it out. I am not a big fan of the delivery of this new method of haircare as they are not only dispelling what the natural hair community has been saying in addition to some stylists that these natural hair influencers have visited and recorded with the stylists giving tips...literally stating the same as the influencers. You don’t have to bash a community in order to introduce your belief and it seems that every time I look into this no oil no butters method, they are bashing the you tubers. Why? It seems like you are trying to make money in my opinion. What I question is why is that the whole natural hair stylists community isn’t saying the same as these women who are now speaking differently? Why when I read comments some stylists co-sign and agree with using oils and butters? What cosmetology school did these ladies go to that the teaching is so different that they are now teaching other stylists this method?
Your hair is looking dehydrated. Try the 30 day hair detox. I promise you will surprise yourself.
If youtube is all fake advice, then how come my hair's been growing.....
Hair growth doesn't equal healthy hair
I'm so glad that you're back and lending your voice to what has become madness in the natural hair care movement. You are the second person to call them out on some of this crazy ass rules and misconceptions that are really just their opinion there's nothing factual behind what they're saying. I know that it really confused me and I got to the point where I just gave up.
thank you! i’m glad to be back 💛 I have given up too! Its wayyy too much i’ll just stick to what works best and maybe tweak a few things
I think the styler method is really for preference. I think their main issue was that a lot of black girls aren’t washing their hair enough and are complaining of hair not growing. As there is a huge myth “that dirty hair grows”. Like the girls in the wig communities are telling people to go months without washing hair😕 as long as you’re washing your hair OFTEN I don’t think there’s anything wrong in using creams/butters
Add shampoo to dry hair?? I think not!
If you have product build up you actually should lol
First they told us not to use hair grease now they saying don't use oils. They even have the water only method I wonder what's next SMDH🤦
Nah I went to a natural hair salon I have 4b/4c hair and my hair under the dryer would not dry for hrs .... my cannot soak up alot of products so that's false.
Y’all are in the comments dismissing things you haven’t tried. I haven’t used oil in my hair since December, I am just fine.
good for you.....
Side note not every single person can afford "salon" quality products. Those things are expensive. I will say I stopped using shea moisture just because I feel like the formula
Most people can afford them, you invest in what you care about. All these black women spending hundreds on lace fronts can't afford botanical gels and shampoo ??
@@libfuzzy4629 lol everyone isn't spending money on lace fronts though. You're making a generalization
@@Aaa-te7ei alot of ppl are tho not everyone of course
@@libfuzzy4629 lol not even a lot lol you're making assumptions based off of social media.
also, lace fronts are seen as an investment. one qualify wig will last you for years. however a 40 dollar bottle of shampoo won't. its very expensive. natural hair should be natural, affordable, and simple.
Cosmetologist have been taught primarily by Europeans, they dont know our hair we do.
They have learned the Science of hair in general and how it operates . The only difference between black hair is the techniques used in styling that's about it lol
@@libfuzzy4629 I noticed that you have responded abundantly in the majority of the comments, especially towards those who are resistant to hairs stylist push on no butters and oils. Why are you pushing so hard? I've been natural for 12yrs. My hair is to the middle of my back(healthy,not dehydrated, and thriving) I wash my hair every 7-10 days. Every wash day I use clarifying shampoo to remove build up and do not follow up moisture shampoo, but deep conditioner/mask. I then use fresh aloe vera juice as leave in and light butters and oil. I wear my hair in twists and rarely out. Not all science is absolute. Science is constant and evolving which is factual. But let's not forget to remember majority of people know their hair better than many stylist who are there to "STYLE =COINS"
and not to care or maintain healthier hair.
I’ve been to stylists whose advice were shit and stylists whose advice worked but I say listen to your hair.
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My hair is very long and healthy. I only go to these hair salons to get my haircut and dyed. I do not go to these cosmetologist for curly hair advice because I fucked up my hair in the past trying to listen to them also each hairstylist has a different opinion on how to take care of my hair. It was TH-camrs who taught me how to properly take care of my hair not hairstylist
I just want to know what salon you’re going to go to thats shampoo your hair on dry hair 🤔 Hair is about trial and error I just say find a routine that works for you and be consistent. Great video
@JenniferRoseNYC is the cosmetologist who recommends shampooing on dry hair. thank you for watching 💛
I honestly feel this is also a gimmick.. hear me out.. we the black community that have chosen to return natural do not go to the salons like we used to.. for a lot of us it’s a trust thing because ppls definition of a “trim” vary(you know what I mean lol) soo I feel that some
Of these things are indeed true and prolly
Should be incorporated but to say deep conditioning is not doing anything(cosmetologists not you) is just blatantly not true- we can literally see the differences over time.. I feel like you said we have to cherry pick because I feel all are seeing the $$ when it comes to our gorgeous multidimensional hair ..
It's not a gimmick it's what top natural hair stylist have been doing since forever. If you look up Anthony dickey you'll even see when he does wash and gos he shampoos , condition and then add the styler on drenched hair, have the client shake their hair then sit them under the dryer for the curls to set . You'll never see him using raw oils and butters . The method is old but people are just now hearing about it
@@libfuzzy4629 I’m not just first hearing about it .. I promise the Dickey method I have tried but Ive also done my research on mr. Dickey and his controversial book as well… to each his own but my hair is thriving … my hair at the salon hit or miss and the price being high consistently < do my own hair not only receive more consistent results and lower consistent price to me it’s obvious… those products used correctly help the hair.. to say it doesn’t is extreme and suspect of a gimmick to me…
15:21 frfr like there's so much misinformation. I do like what Jennifer is saying though. She's been in the hair game a while & has been consistently singing the same song & her clients have results. There are some bomb licensed professionals out here & we need to give them credit. I lowkey notice some ppl taking teachings from these ppl & then regurgitating the teachings as if they came up with it lmao like is your pride that strong? you know damn well you were slapping 15 products on your scalp before you saw their content, stop the cap. "I realized that.." no honey someone told you, just say their name so we can go watch their content.
😂😂😂 Thats funny! I havent even noticed that but i’m sure you’re right thanks for watching!
Honestly, I think the reason this is getting backlash is the delivery and the timing doesn’t seem genuine🤷🏿♀️
the natural hair movement boomed years ago and alot of these stylists didn’t input this message as hard
TH-cam has taught me how to take care of my hair in a way that hairstylists have never. However some of the newer information is trash! The no oil/butters trend is trash. My hair loves heavy butters and oils. And doesn’t operate correctly without it. What i alway say is if it’s not broke don’t fix it. Everybody hair is different. And we need to learn how to cater to our own hair. And avoid following every tread. Another big thing that isn’t popularly mentioned is not every type 4 naturals hair needs a heavy hold to get days outta there styles. My hair loves Moouse and creams and hates heavy gels. The mousses they make nowadays really makes coily wash n gos pop