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The whole "gifted kid" phenomenon just sets up those kids for failure, by telling them that their primary defining feature is an intrinsic, uncontrollable trait. So when they proceed through the school system and get to harder material, it's very easy for them to feel like they're a failure, because all of the praise they received centered around how "bright" they were, rather than establishing good study habits.
Yuuuup! That was me. Took the test, did alright, but didn't get it, but in the back of my mind I always carried that with me. Didn't study hard because, "I'm smart and gifted". And due to that I never learned the skills to study properly. Plus throw in the probably undiagnosed adhd...the end of High School did not bode well.
Don't forget your Highschool Teachers looking at you being in Gifted and Talented and constantly telling you "I know you're better and can do better, you're just lazy!" Whenever you went to them for help, or your parents. Any tutoring I have ever received has been from Google and online friends. Rarely if ever have teachers or my parents even tried to help me, and my parents for the most part sure as hell can't because I'm doing mathematics and science they don't even understand. Man, highschool is great.
@@brushnit9212ours tried to do that, but I saw one lady for 20 minutes once or twice a week to work on independent study projects, never actually saw my freshman year junjor year facilitators, and by the time I got a teacher who would tell us anything ither than how smart we were, I was 8 months to graduation, which isn't enough time to learn about study habits or how we were pretty much all neurodivergent, just not in any way that inconvencienced the adults
That's impressive. Tuesday you had a mustache. Wednesday shaved. Thursday it's back. Friday you even have some beard. That hair growth speed is unbelievable.
I was one of those students that was talked out of enrolling into advanced mathematics courses. The gatekeeping guidance counselor was fired some years later for racial discrimination. I'm proud to say that my second major in college was math and I graduated with a perfect (read that 4.0) GPA, no thanks to the guidance counselor.
I was dumb as a kid and thought they were doing it for my benefit not that they just didn’t think I was capable of doing the work because I was black and from a public school.
the same happened to me, i was told that i just couldn't keep up in the class and that i would have to write an essay assigned by my current english teacher to enter in the class (mind you i was allowed into ap us history, ap spanish with no argument). my english teacher scoffed at the idea and signed my paper allowing me into honors english. i was the only black student in the class.
@@joelle4226 you weren't dumb, you were brainwashed. You didn't believe in yourself because you were basically groomed from infancy to believe that you were always just a little less, you were behind, ect. Don't blame yourself.
As someone who was simultaneously diagnosed with ADD and in "gifted" classes, that intro hit hard. There was this near constant questioning of whether or not I should be in there and classmates joking about how mentally slow people with that condition are. Many students acted like different people in those classes like absolute peacocks.
As someone who was a "gifted" student at an early age but then didn't follow through into the honors classes, was not a fan of the intro because of the fact that, no, everything was NOT handed to me, in fact, more was expected of me because of being a gifted student...
Yeah as a "gifted" student with autism. I felt like that intro was abit too targeted. I'm grateful to have teachers that cared but his intro was the narrative used by overly invested teachers who were unaware of what I was dealing with. Studies show that what we think of as "gifted" students tend to also be special needs
"gifted" isnt a thing in NZ but I was up a grade and then did calculus up a grade but I still think I'm a fucking idiot. (Which is definitely true btw) I can't really understand the mindset of thinking you're better than other people because that's nearly impossible as far as I'm concerned. Only like .1% of people are actually just built different and better. Imo the rest are just privilidged to have a life where they're able to fully focus on school (which usually means they have no or less of a social life like me). Plus school is fucking bullshit anyway and doesn't translate to success as I've found out since I dropped out of university because I completely lost all motivation and have been wasting my life for the past year (recently did get a part time job though). All of this life story is to say that "gifted" students is a stupid and untrue name. "Early advanced" would be better imo, but unless you're part of the .1% you dont deserve special treatment (unless you actually have special needs) and if you are part of the .1% you barely need school to begin with
I truly despised the ideas espoused with this statement. You don’t need to be an expert in everything in order to point a child in the right direction or give the tools to learn for themselves. Very few public school educators can claim to be an expert in their Feild, as the educational requirements to fill these positions do not demand it. And clearly elementary school teachers cannot fulfill this role as they are required to teach many subjects. With libraries, and the internet, and a lot of discernment anyone can become and expert at anything. At least from a philosophical perspective. Certain disciplines require a practical aspect that can be difficult to access.
Reagan sucked a fat one, literally people only like him because he said say no to drugs and think hes the best President ever because of it and ignore the mountain of problems he caused lol
Looking back on my own school experience in the US and yeah it’s definitely strange and on a disturbing level of nationalistic pride. Like a bunch of seven years olds in a Bush era elementary school in the Bible Belt reciting the pledge everyday is something out of a southern gothic novella and 1984 fusion.
@@peckandabushel3065 true, I was in most of elementary school during Bush and the majority of middle and part of high school with Obama. We recited the pledge in elementary school mostly and then that petered out in my later school years. It’s still creepy seeing how young I was and how if it was anywhere like North Korea and/or Russia we would call it “indoctrination”. I’m what I like to call a geriatric member of gen z (aka 20 something who was too young to remember 9/11, but was around for it and the chaos that followed it).
“Save any questions until the end” *saves no time for questions at the end* “oh shoot I’m already way over blah blah blah” *answers no questions at the end* Too accurate 😂😂
Had a teacher try the “Those classes are pretty advanced, I wouldn’t want you to fall behind.” She is literally the only reason I took the test for AP Physics as a junior. Only 8 people passed. Super fun class. I suspect she may have known I would take the test to spite her.
good on you for giving people the benefit of the doubt... but as a teacher, she should know better than to tell you what she did without encouragement as well. *shrug*
I wanted to take HS Chemistry and Physics in the same year (Junior). Was discouraged because of the "work load". I chose to anyway...passed both with A's
I was in gifted programs, and as an ADHD person it hit hard when I couldn't do "Normal" things, I took tests well, easily memorizing things but when it came to the immense homework load I was basically drowning in late assignments. :/ I felt such immense failure due to being told I'd been so smart and well behaved my whole life. Really set me up for burnt out and failure in the work force and I've only now begun to accept my disabilities, since prior I'd been working my body and mind to painful states of burnout.
I really need an evaluation. I have this same problem and it been getting out of hand lately. Not to mention other behavioral indicators. I’m know as the “smart child” of the family and there is so much pressure and everyone think I’m so smart and organized and well put together but I have been severely drowning because of deadlines. Idk how I got this far tbh
@@rain_drops2723 have you tried the youtube psychologist's and ADHD specialist's videos? You might be able to find some helpful information on what it is you're looking for, i.e. diagnosis and/or treatment, there. Good luck, tho! It seems I have ADHD tendencies, but I am NOT ADHD. tell me how that works lol So I just have to win my professors over with charm in order to be able to turn something in late. It usually works, but not always, duh. but the stress, guilt and shame of "not being able to handle it all" can get quite heavy.
@@stacyfiske7903 thanks you! I can imagine how stressful that is. I don’t want to self diagnose cuz I don’t want to sound like I’m trying to be quirky or anything. But when I get older I’m thinking of going to a therapist so if it’s anything they would tell me. Where I mental health is not taken seriously at all so I can’t get professional help right now. So I’m just finding ways to manage somehow.
@@k20nutz It is just something that happens to teachers if they use a chalk board a lot, but he would have had to put that chalk on himself, it is kinda an inside joke.
The somewhat fantastic irony of the intro is that we all are actively choosing to take time out of our day to watch a Knowing Better history lecture. And frankly it's always a good call.
In our case, our parents pulled my sister and me out of the local public primary school due to "Concerns about school environment." Specifically, both of us had been victims of serious violence at the hands of older students, which the school administrators refused to do anything about. We went to private school for a few years until we moved to a different district. Most of the homeschooling parents I personally know today had similar reasons - bullying and violence haven't gone anywhere. While I'm sure that for many parents "school environment" is code for "zomg they exposed my kids to secular values, the dirty commies" but it's definitely not 100%.
The reason my mom insisted on sending me and my brother to the private Christian school run by our church that they couldn't afford was specifically because she didn't want us to learn about evolution. NVM that both she and my dad went to public schools their entire lives and both are Young Earth Creationists... But as a result, my dad had to work 2-3 jobs when I was a kid and we rarely saw him. And the real irony is that it was Bible College that made me ask questions about Christianity and eventually lead to me becoming an atheist.
I homeschooled one of my kiddos for a while because she was touched inappropriately at school and the school tried to hide it and coach her -.- she was in a program for emotional and developmental disabilities and they let her go off on her own to the "Gen ed" side for whatever reason. I pulled her out for the rest of that year until we could find a better fit because that was the third school we had tried that year. I was in no way qualified to teach her and be mom at home, so it was a rough few months before we found a good fit. Most people I know who homeschool, do so for similar reasons I did for a while and are way better at teaching elementary school subjects. I guess we will see how they do when the kids hit middle/high school age 😂
@@SadisticSenpai61 reminds me of that one tweet, or x? Someone asked “When christians want to re-affirm their beliefs, they read the bible, what to atheists read?” And someone replied “the same thing”
Fun not so fun fact: here in northern ireland we are still more or less segregated based on religion. You can tell a protestant and a catholic apart simply by asking them how to say the letter "h" as catholics are mostly taught "haych" and protestants mostly "aych"
Down South most protestants don't pronounce their rs and use broad vowels. I had Protestant friends growing up who had elecution classes in both primary and secondary schools.
probably cause he knows better ;) I'm curious who volunteered to stand in as his students, probably Patreon Patrons? Some looked even older than Hollywood "Seniors" :D
@@Ugly_German_Truths I know its crazy that in Hollywood even 30 y/o men and 35 y/o females are sometimes cast as high schoolers. Gee I wonder why kids these days are so self concious?
I am a white Christian girl who was pulled out of public school in 7th grade due to mental health issues and the stress that being in a gifted program since second grade had put on me. I didn't graduate with a diploma or a GED, but because of my ACT score, I went to college with a scholarship and only had to take out $5,000 in student loans total. I'm 21 and those loans are already paid off, now I am working as a Special Ed Para in an inner city charter school... This video got me good. Thank you for using your teaching skills to better the adult world
As someone who was just hired as a teacher, that intro hits different Edit: that smile when he says "separate, but equally difficult" just makes me laugh, you can tell he's on like his 5th+ take and just trying to keep it together!
I am a teacher, my wife is a teacher, my grandma was a teacher, my aunts is teacher and lots of my cousins This video is a mixed bag of accuracy. And seems to have a lot of projection and misunderstanding and misrepresentations of the systems in place. Admittedly I am 36 minutes in I will add an edit after the conclusion but when we get to modern portion that his implications are getting pretty ridiculous. Edit: Finished and stand by opinion. The whole video is one big Apophenia Bias. I work directly against Charter School in my public magnet school (a public school with the intention of being more diverse). The charter schools market themselves on this premise of being diverse. But they care about one thing the grade Black, Hispanic, Asian? Doesn't matter if you behave an get a good grade. If not they expel you back to public school. It's profit, home life and a dozen other factors at play.
@@gregjones4705 You've just admitted to assuming his implications about modern education are ridiculous while also admitting that you haven't watched it yet. All based on personal experience whereas the through line in the video gas been verified historical events.
@@tracyh5751 At my time stamp he already made implications that gifted programs were made to segregate. And there's a reason I sperated the modern section. The historical section is fine for a broad overview. Knowingbetter usually does a good job with history. I really wish he dug into the property tax thing that is a big fucking deal still hurting schools today. It's also not getting better either. I have not met a single person who thinks Asians are genetically smarter, that most "people believe". Most people know and understand the cultural stereotype of Asians parents. Also his projections about his racist past is more telling about him then anything else. My biggest problem he is blaming school systems for problems that connects back to economics class. Implying systems are intentionally racist. 66% of educational performance is determined by home life. Working class parents which has higher percentage of PoC cannot provide the same aid middle and upper class parents can. Fix our welfare, raise wages, M4a and If parents can spend less time working and more time with kids those kids will have a better chance to succeed.
@@gregjones4705 All of the problems today are downwind from history, and the motivations of the past absolutely were grounded in racism and classism (among other things). You can't deny that. The situation we are in today is from maintaining the status quo of policies that were founded by racist principles. It's kind of important to know that we've been maintaining systems that were designed to educate for goals a lot of us probably don't agree with anymore. You are right that there are other issues that tie into our education, but that doesn't mean our schooling systems need massive overhauls even if we fixed all that you've mentioned.
Same. We were, however, grandfathered in for most of the students. "Gifted" labels were given as young kids. At my school now (I teach 3rd) we have no way to designate gifted students, so our little ones will not be able to use this pathway.
@@thefink6146 In Elementary School I do remember being placed in advanced math with a handful of other students so maybe he meant something like that, but the school tested everybody free of charge in third grade (before the disparities between students as a result of background could manifest at all) and it didn't even matter because after Elementary School we all ended up in the same math classes anyway so all it did was just make me hate math due to the tougher classes lol.
Kinda reason why i just got straight c grade, i saw what was happening to those who got honour classes, n went into college, only to have reality thrown at them. When i went to take classes in college, in the end i was in same classes as the valedictorian of another school
I can't say I share the same experience. Being around other honors students, who were basically friends I had known since elementary school, meant I was always around people I viewed as smart or smarter than me. Sort of an "Always a bigger fish" thing going on.
This speaks to me as a black kid who was recognized as “gifted” but whose single mom did not have the means to transport me so I could participate in the gifted program. And even though I still excelled in Honors and AP classes in high school, I still had to go into massive life-altering debt to even attend colleges into which I was easily accepted.
Maybe you should have been smart enough to realize taking on all that debt was a stupid idea. If you’re that smart you could easily get a scholarship into smaller schools and if your mom wasn’t taking in the dough they have Pell grants.
@@TrueStoreyPBmaybe they didn’t wanna go into smaller schools? maybe the solution wasn’t as easy as your huge brain says it could’ve been, or there wasn’t a “solution” at all
@@TrueStoreyPBA little harsh to belittle their intelligence by saying that they shouldn’t have gone to college in the first place. I’m guessing this was probably a while ago back when discrimination in high-level education and scholarship selection was prevalent and there weren’t many programs for low-income families. Still though, don’t call someone stupid because they went through a predatory business and came out with some debt that can be paid off in some years, first-generation college students suffer the worst
@@tpd1864blake oh yea? How long ago was that? As long as I’ve been alive black people get preferential selection for scholarships at major universities. Which isn’t what I was talking about anyway. I’m talking about simple scholarships you can get at community colleges just based on ACT scores. Anyone with above average intelligence can pull one of those and get an associates for the cost of just showing up.
in high school my teachers actively tell all the smart kids that they will one day face a topic that will destroy there egos, now that Ive started calculus i see what theyre talking about
The mountain of knowledge to climb never ends, it just gets steeper and everyone slowly drifts apart. But it helps to look back once in a while and enjoy the view.
@@dearyvettetn4489 - Derivatives were pretty fun and fairly intuitive. Integrals though... fuck integrals. When the answer to every problem boils down to, "lol, just know the answer", that's when it stops being fun.
@@KingBobXVI Strange... According to my recollection from 30 years ago integrals were also intuitive. Just calculating the area under a graf is doable. But just knowing saves time... But what do I know, I am just a Dutch tax lawyer...
“You wanna be with your friends right?” I am Mexican and me and my sister both got this from our counselor. We both took a lot of AP classes. Her more than me. But I just finished my first year of college and when I came back we talked. Both of us were the the only minorities in most classes that we took. Love the video. I believe you also used a clip from “Nice White Parents” there, one of my favorite podcast series.
I'm an Eastern European immigrant in France. So here I'm white, even tho in different contexts it's different. Well, basically, I was sent in a private school and not a public school. Yes the private school was less diverse. But I never even noticed it. But my parents didn't send me there because of minorities. But because the public school had more bullying and the teachers didn't care enough. So that can be the problem I think. White people in America for example might segregate not because of them being specially racist but because the minority school has worse teachers and is generally in a worse neighbourhood. So I think that the government should spend way more money to make all public schools really good, especially in bad and poor neighbourhoods which often have ethnic minorities.
@@gamermapper Agreed. Unfortunately our "school choice" advocates try their hardest to defund public schools. Private schools have the advantage of being able to kick out any student they want whether for delinquency, disability, or any other reason really. It is then up to the public schools and taxpayers to clean up their mess, while the private schools get to profit off of the cheaper kids and richer parents.
In Canada we had "enrichment" class. I think you really nailed a part of this right on the head. Being in these classes you would get told about how gifted and talented you are. Sadly, when reality and life set in many of my friends that were in these classes went through some serious depression, and tragically, two even committed suicide. I honestly can't help but think part of this came from the absurdly high level of expectation that was set on them even as far back as the second grade.
It might be a relief to know that research has found the effects of teacher expectations on students are statistically small and short-lived. See Jussim, L., & Harber, K. D. (2005). Teacher expectations and self-fulfilling prophecies: Knowns and unknowns, resolved and unresolved controversies. Personality and social psychology review, 9(2), 131-155.
Probably because teachers are not the ones actually expecting all that much from their students - teachers very often just expect the student to complete the work they assign. Parents and the other adults in the kids' lives have a much bigger impact because they're more familiar and/or they'll keep up the war drum beat a lot longer, leading to deeply ingrained expectations.
We dont have gifted or anything but I was always pretty advanced in school (year ahead, did calc two years ahead). I have always hated myself and never, ever for a second have believed I am gifted or talented beyond at most "slightly above average", but also have always held extremely high expectations for myself. Dropped out of Uni after my motivation just vanished and I tried to commit suicide in January but didn't OD enough to die. I think you're right that expectations make real life very depressing as very few people make it as far as they want and if you've always aimed for the top (or been there in earlier school/feel entitled to it) it hits extremely hard.
@@randomname9723 Reading this was like reading the Choose Your Own Adventure about me and seeing what the other option was. I was right there with ya in the dropping out of uni but I havent felt so depressed to attempt to kill myself again. I wish you the best and hope you can get the support you need to restart or find a new path.
I was in those enrichment classes in high school (I lived in a small town so they weren't available earlier). I also went into suicidal depression into university because I couldn't keep up anymore (I now know I have ADD and the lack of structure really hurt me). When you're labelled as gifted, you put a lot of your value into your good grades, especially if you have poor self-esteem.
The correct response to to glibly reply that you don't have any friends. The advisor probably wont be aware that the kids who don't have friends are already in the advanced classes.
I was never told that, I was told "you won't even know any of these kids when you're an Adult." I still frequently talk to and visit those same friends. I always thought the way teachers told me that was rude.
Quick note on the “life skills” and financial literacy classes (I teach both) is many life skills programs are seeing an extreme teacher shortage and thus being closed down, there aren’t many colleges that offer programs to become a home economics teacher so there are far less teachers with the appropriate certification. I also taught financial lit to seniors and it’s really really hard for them to grasp at that age. They just have no relevance to what a salary is so trying to explain a mortgage or taxes just goes in one ear and out the other. I think we need that class either at the end of college or in early adulthood when it makes more sense to our everyday lives
That is interesting. In my high school days back in the 60s I advocated for a simple life skills class that would teach how to balance a checkbook or create a budget. Either none was available or I was on the academic track and was never offered one. My son had something like that.
@@chancevicary1805 yes I agree with that, I feel like it should be offered to all young adults through a public agency if some kind...but I guess what stops someone these days from watching TH-cam videos in basic life skills? I don’t say scrap it in hs all together, but I think there are softer skills that can be covered in hs and then more advanced skills in young adulthood. I’m 36 and I feel like I’ve grasped only in the past few years how taxes really work!
I always thought that some life skills should be part of math and maybe social studies class (do they still have social studies?). Practical math. A lot of students who claim to be bad at math are masters of sports statistics and use math in every day life. But a lot of the way that math is taught in school seems abstract.
Man, the older I get the more I learn about how Reagan is really at the center of a lot of the things that suck about modern day US. Crazy that a ton of people consider him the greatest president ever and look for his qualities in new candidates
The people who love him benefit from the systems and customs Reagan put in place, everyone far enough removed from that and has empathy for the (vast majority) of people who are hurt by them fucking hate him
I can attest to this. As a child in elementary school the school was ready to label me as “emotionally disturbed” for being disruptive in the general education track, but I got lucky and had parents who advocated for me and fought back. I ended up getting tested and they found out I wasn’t emotionally disturbed, I was “gifted” and just bored. As an adult man when I reflect back on that, I wonder how many other kids I was in school with who got labeled as disturbed or problematic who were actually “gifted” but didn’t have anyone to speak up for them. Kinda makes me sad.
As a gifted student from the south, I can attest to a lot of this. Our school was probably 60% or so black (public school) and the gifted classes were around 80-90% white. And at least half of the kids in these classes wouldn't have been in there if their parents couldn't afford expensive tutors, and test prep, and all sorts of extra stuff.
That's life. Parents whom are willing to or capable of providing better opportunities for their children's education will reap benefits for doing so (A Black former honor student whom's parents paid for tutors to get him ahead, and is now doing the same for his daughter)
My “gifted/AP experience was totally different from what was portrayed in the video. A lot of minorities like me in the system and there was no weekend test or anything. They went by your grades and test scores and all were done in school during school hours, and this was over 10 years ago. I am in California so that might make a difference
@@3rdfitzgerald reap benefits for doing get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead
onlycorner Correct, hopefully my decedents live a life I could only dream of thanks to the work I've put in and the work all my progeny will have put in
Oh my gosh. That’s horrible. I luckily wasn’t subjugated to that as someone with ADHD. I had to get an IEP but they didn’t force me into classes about how to work in a factory. It’s shocking how different the opportunities people have are.
@@averagejoe6031 i have an iep as well, but bot all who have them are equal. If you have anything questionable about you behavioural study they’ve done on you, you’d have one. Some people have it lucky and only have to take one medication, and an easy dose, at a young age, and can end up being able to cope without it by middle school. Me? I was taking the dosage of a highschool student when i was in grade 6.... only reason I didn’t take it in highschool is because i refused, after growing to dislike the after effect of the drugs. But yeah, some kids they just keep an eye on and work with, and by a later point they can adjust. People further into the severity scale of adhd dont though. They try their best with, as ineffective us their efforts are, And by the time highschool ends, we’ve fallen through the cracks. The lucky ones dont snap from the pressure and drop out by the end. They can only dump so many resources into making sure somebody can get their marks. Its as hard for the school as it is for the student in that situation. They try to modify the work so its on a level we understand, but in turn, we learn way less. In a way, schools have taken the easy way out, By “modifying” the curriculum they allow themselves to save those resources they would otherwise need to invest in those same affected students, But that costs time and money, and only weakens the classist system that was happily set in place by normal minded people. Its a whole clusterfuck of shit that comes together, all to keep dudes with ADHD down in terms of educational worth. There are 4 levels of to this classist system, too. Academic, for the gifted and rich. Applied, for the blue collar joe. Voc-1, for the borderline (the worst spot to be because nobody will take you seriously both above and below you), And Voc-2, for the mentally handicapped. The highschool i went to ONLY had voc 1 and 2. Before highschool started, i was essentially spat at by my peers for having to go there, instead of the normal school to take applied classes. Suddenly the line in the sand was drawn and it was deemed ok to shit on because, well, now there was reason. Its like suddenly, for lack pf a better comparison, i was black and they were white. TO THIS DAY i get looked at funny for admitting i went there for 3 years until i dropped out. It was bullshit, putting up with that, My anxiety issues, My severe adhd, And schoolwork, Just to get what homie in the video described as a sub par education Wild part it, Im actually applying to get my GED right now, And for once I’ll be on my own, No bullshit from the school system interfering. I work at my own pace. Yeah, im on my own to find the answer, But thats hows it was dropping out of school too. Its gonna be hard, but in different ways. Now i call the shots, and with that, i feel way more confident attempting to tackle the whole highschool diploma thing. I had a band, and apparently after a discussion i had with a staff member of the board, i can get a credit based on that, towards my diploma.... like yo fuck voc-1.... im out here using my old band from 2014 as a way to graduate, dude. Im taking the fuck-all worthy passion project i did OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL, pure punk rock ethic shit, and im turning that into something positive. Im proud of that, i did that for myself, with the help of my friends and bandmates. Thats bigger than anything any school curriculum could teach me.
@@Dancingonthesun and thats because they didn’t send you to a school like mine, Where i went, we didnt have to take the forced french class in grade 9. Unless you were a catholic, If you grew up where i did, You’d have a 98% chance of ending up at that same school. The plucked kids from all over, (If you grew up in the gta you know) You could’ve lived out in brampton, or as far as 5&10, and all the way out across through oakville, You weren’t safe. You’d probably end up at west credit if you had an iep and weren’t catholic. And even then, there was only about 250 people who went there in the 3 years i spent there. They had to fill them halls and discriminate against us somehow... lol Might as well make a school instead of leave these kids be and try to put fourth an effort. Instead it was same shit, different pile
Oooh and we can't forget that IEPs are often ignored, outright by teachers and administration. Oh it's so much fun trying to force a school to respect an IEP...
I went to a "nice white High school" in the suburbs of a well off neighborhood. I also spent a year at a minority-majority school in a working class neighborhood. The differences are shocking and appalling.
@Cassandra Tafoya Same, the socioeconomic problems are huge. Poor parents don't have the time or money to give the same care to their children. And minorities tend to be poor because of history. Because of that they don't get as good an education and are more likely to stay poor. Young children that were not raised to act right at home, don't learn it in school grouped with other children like them, and thus never learn. Those with money want a better education for their children, so move to an area with, or pay for a better schools, which ensures the rich schools stay better, and the poor are further disadvantaged. There are so many feedback loops and self fulfilling prophecies that it is a very difficult problem to solve even for well meaning people.
I went to a like 40% White, 40% Black, 20% other school and it was wonderful. Yes, I lived in probably the wealthiest neighborhood in the district (which still wasn't that wealthy), and graduated in the top 10% of my HS class. But it was a wonderful experience. I'm glad I didn't go to a 80% White school.
Dude how do you do this so well?!! Throughout all my high school years history was by far the most boring useless and interesting pointless subject matter of any of my classes and yet with these videos I could sit and watch these full on interested and learning at the same time for hours. I don’t recall anything I’ve learned from history in high school yet I remember almost every detail of all your videos that I’ve seen so far and believe me I plan to watch them all.
@@Demonetization_Symbolan't speak for OP but for me it was the curriculum that was taught. Two months about the colonies, then the industrial revolution, then the civil war, then the gilded age. Next year, FOUR months about the revolution, the industrial revolution, the civil war, if we timed it right it could also count as our token February Jim Crow lesson, then the gilded age. Nothing about how it connects to your life today, nothing about the history our parents or grandparenrs lived through. Nothing about the impact we can have on history today. Just "these long dead guys were great, and some of them weren't, but other dead guys fixed that problem forever"
I don't get why it bothers people im ok with either but prefer longer videos. If i need to stop and come back i just do that. Plus it gives more chances for detail and reaching more topics. But thats just my opinion.
For the end of last school year when lockdown started, my district was like "don't worry we put wifi in the parking lot" People didn't have devices... Or cars... Or the ability to sit in a parking lot for 4+ hours a day... but who's keeping track? They told staff just to not grade kids harshly. Ok bud
Many of the parents didn't even know how to sign in when Chromebooks finally got handed out. It was awful. I couldn't go near anyone to help in person, but if I tried to help anyone online or by phone, they didn't have the vocabulary to explain anything they were having issues with and they didn't understand what i was trying to tell them, even though my everyday job is communicating clearly with kids who have language delays. The parents were so stressed out about it, it was terrible
Many gifted kids (hello!) are also mentally disabled in one way or another, and our specific needs can often be ignored or even exacerbated by the pressures of the accelerated track. Excellent video, full of good info!
Yesss. I poured myself into academics not because I cared much, but because it felt like the only thing in my life that I could control... everywhere else in my life I was anxious, depressed, and socially inept.
As a person that is named Patrick, and was in a zoom class meeting while watching this vid, when he yelled "Put it away Patrick" I was scared asf at 0:36
Lol when he was pronouncing Wagner wrong, I literally said to myself under my breath "Vagner", only for him to then say "or that it is pronounced Vagner"
5:58 hits a little hard right now considering Canada just found a mass grave of 215 indigenous children who died at a residential school. Residential schools in Canada were rifle with abuse of all kinds, neglect, poor health care, among the main purpose of "killing the native" culture.
@@2adamast you would have to turn an awfully blind eye to what happened in these places to compare it to mortality rates in orphanages. These kids weren't orphans, they were well cared for before they were removed. Countless survivors of these institutions have described in great detail the abuses they suffered, and the deaths they witnessed.
I was in gifted and honors classes all throughout school ( until I had to switch to an online program due to my suffering mental health). I was reading at a college level at age 10 and tested extremely well in all subjects. I was also in special ed due to my autism and social anxiety. Not all special ed students are "retarded" or unable to learn as that woman said. Special ed and gifted programs are not mutually exclusive and it is possible to be in both at the same time. A lot of special ed students are actually extremely intelligent.
I'm at roughly 23 minutes in and had a sudden realization: that's why the friggin' public schools are seen as schools for the poor or those who don't want to learn, and private schools are seen as the "better" or "more prestigious" schools where I grew up. Wow. I uh.... hm.
Yep, welcome to reality schools often have interesting reputations that aren't well rooted in the truth, though when their funding is dictated like it is in the USA that means it becomes self fulfilling as the funding to the public schools declines compared to the privates. And you're seeing it pushed harder since 2016 thanks to people like DeVos with charter schools.
That's the "popular" opinion, but it seems to be something espoused in popular media rather than the reality. My public school had college dual credit classes but we also had rowdy kids that blocked hallways to socialize in the 7 minutes we had to walk to class and a stabbing and plenty of fights. Private schools just weed out the kids who don't have anything on the line if they do bad things (our school stabber came back before the end of the year after he made parole, and no he wasn't white)
This video reminded me of how throughout Middle and Highschool we would have standard, honors, and advanced honors classes. The funny thing was that the same basic things were taught to everyone and the kids in the honors classes simply got an additional 3 points added to thier grade towards the end of the year while standard students did all the same work and received nothing. What's sad is that the students that's were placed in the honors and advanced honors were always the same kids and we never got to interact much with the students in the standard classes. When I graduated I didn't recognize any of the students that were sitting arround me even though we had attended the same school for years.
Wow. Sounds like a company offering the exact same job as 'entry level', 'Level II', and 'Senior' or something, but different wages for each. In both cases, they might put each of those jobs or classes in different tracks so no one is promoted into the next level of the same job.
Yours is much different than mine was. I was in the "advanced" classes, and my friend was in the "regular" classes. We would joke about how he has it so easy. I was jealous of him at the time because only occasionally had homework, and I had homework all the time. His tests for the various subjects were so easy that he hardly ever had to crack a book (he could just pay attention in class) and float by with fairly easy B's. It was definitely not that way for my classes. We would occasionally compare and contrast our classes, but not too much honestly. And his classes were pretty basic. I don't know how it is in other schools, but that's how it was for mine. Mine was a minority-majority school, and our graduation rate was horrible. There's no reasonable way to assume that if "regular" classes were more challenging, that more people would have graduated, and there's no reasonable argument as to why it would have been a good thing to not give the "advanced" kids a challenge by placing them in "regular" classes. Schools sure as hell aren't going to raise their standards overall, because that would mean less kids graduate. So, I'm honestly not sure what the solution is. Raising overall standards would be a good thing, but that has played out in various places, and it inevitably ends with lawsuits and complaints over lack of equity in terms of graduation rates. If you're not going to raise standards, and you don't want the hardworking or "smart" kids to suffer due to lack of challenge, then you're left with...honors or advanced classes.
Then you look around the make-up of each tier. Seriously, I was in an honors class for a few years. 2 black kids, 3 hispanic kids, 2asian kids, and everyone else was white. +80% black school.
@@adamrad2220 Same I did take some "regular" classes in highschool, but it was legitimately just students running the classroom, and basic tests I would have glossed over in 5th Grade. Meanwhile my AP classes were some of the hardest I ever had, including 4 years of electrical engineering. There is a serious socioeconomic divide, and while it is perpetuated by racism and classism, by the time the damage is done it has a very real impact on how even a playing field students start and end on.
@@adamrad2220 Shit man I feel so bad for you. In the heat of my Cali. school years, I worked through stepping into someone's shoes and out of both the "honor" and "regular" classes. In my last years of Middle school the Honors Science and Science teachers would teach similar subjects but once in a lifetime only got to the same subject just put extra questions to paste few extra points. Same for one of my class, English Honors which not only read the same books but put with "advance" questions while the "regular" classes get to do the easy ones or what the teacher assigns. In my freshman of HS regular classes and honor classes would be in the same subject just taught differently. Like when second semester started and I had Geomentry our class was a week ahead then anyone else and guess after 4 months in (3 term), WE'RE STILL AHEAD OF THEM; however in all seriousness, it was only the subject of math every freshman students came together. Though it was the only because math teachers get to give out the same worksheets but teach differently. In my HS of other english teachers, they would teach it accordingly to their own ways of answering the question instead of teaching how to solve the comprehensive questions. Or that could just be my HS and not anywhere else.
"Parents will hire private tutors for children as young as grade 1." My friend is a HIGHLY sought after private tutor who typically teaches high school curriculum, including helping students prepare for university applications. Her youngest student is 3-years old! To prepare the kid for kindergarten entrance interviews and exams.
@@joedubner5846 They can and do. I don't get where people have this idea that if you make your kid study more than the basic school requirement he'll lose mental health or social skills.
I am so glad you made this video. I was one of few black students in my gifted programs growing up and the very barriers you mentioned for minorities to enter gifted education are things I witnessed and advocated against in high school. There were many classmates I was on parr with at my predominantly minority elementary school but they did not take the test and it put us on different trajectories meanwhile everybody else in my new program came from the white affluent areas of the county. In fact my mother found out the GT test existed due to her previous domestic work in those areas when she first migrated here. Im glad to say I was able to help get universal GT testing in the 3rd grade adopted in my county. With that said, you are right about the negative psychology that comes with being labeled as gifted and a bunch of other factors, which are particularly exacerbated when you are one of few minorities in the programs. There is nuance in everything.
In Canada, curricula has changed to exclusively teach "why" rather than "how". Both are important in order to most accurately educate the next generation.
@@IkeOkerekeNews lol no. The best example I can think of to illustrate that you’re wrong is how math is taught: math isn’t taught in US schools by discussing mathematic philosophy in conjunction with the practical application of mathematic formulas. Mathematics are instead taught here by throwing a bunch of formulas at students and telling them to memorize them. It’s not the same at all.
When he got to that bit about how black students are discouraged from taking high-level courses I had to look back. When I wanted to sign up for all AP and Honors courses, my counselor kept pushing saying I'd have "too much homework all the time". When I was looking to graduate with a 4.1 GPA, 4s and 5s on all my AP Exams, and a 33 on my ACT, he recommended me to my local Community College. I'm so glad I knew he was full of shit from the beginning.
Me a "Hopefully"(Trying to get on SSI) disabled person who would have been a middle school dropout if it was not for homeschooling. I felt threatened when he was acting like he wanted to cancel homeschooling because of the 92% do it wrong. And for the record I took the FCAT a Florida mandated grade exit exam and got a real degree a few years late but still.
I teach ballet to 1rst graders for a living 👏. It honestly feels mean to make a first grader sit through academic tutoring after school if they're not actually having trouble. 😭😭 Like, you can't help them with their homework yourself ? Sounds like a great way to put them off the whole idea of school lol. I dont know a single 6 year old, who's NOT already struggling in school who would appreciate academic tutoring 😂😂
Regarding standardized tests- my state mandated everyone take the ACT as part of the 11th grade standardized testing, and I got a 27 (out of 36) my first time around. I took the test in April, got the results in July, and re-took the test in August. 2nd time around I got a 31. There's no way I became "1/9 smarter" in a matter of 4 months, I just prepared more.
No...did you even watch the video? I gave personal experience that backs up what KB is citing. These tests don't test how smart you are, same with IQ tests. It's a bad indicator. I didn't even touch on the fact that I'm a white dude from a nice, well off, small town. It cost money to get the study material. It cost money to retake the test. I had to work less so I could study more, which I could afford because my job was just for my own spending money- my parents completely took care of me. The poorer black kids in the closest "big" city wouldn't have had the same luxury as me. That doesn't mean I worked harder or was smarter, I had better opportunities because of where and how I was born.
@David Lightman Race and class are deeply intertwined, and that is not by accident. Just because there are poor white communities does not disprove that. You're just proving that the "woke garbage" of this video is correct.
I mean, the ACT and other standardized tests test how good you are at studying. To do well on one of them, really nothing is needed other than doing practice tests and going over them. When I was in middle/high school, I did a whole lot of math competitions. I loved math and studied for them. One thing I learned was that no matter how good your math knowledge is, you're not going to do well if you don't study for that specific test. You can know all of the individual subjects that are going to be on the test but if you don't practice with actual problems from said test, there's only so well you can do. While I don't think that these tests are measuring intelligence, I do think that they're measuring how willing you are to putting effort into studying for these tests. Some could argue that that is an equally useful skill and important if you go onto higher education. I don't know.
@David Lightman Fighting the good fight sir. I came to these comments looking for someone with a little bit of sanity because when I reached the end of this video I could not believe it wasn’t a hoax. I‘ve never seen knowing better take such an obvious stance in anything and it’s rather scary
@David Lightman "Poor people don't learn skills" lmao. Sounds like someone hasn't been poor. Poor people learn the skills necessary to survive being poor.
This was very eye opening. My daughter was in the gifted program when we lived in Mississippi. She was the one of only 3 black children in a school where the majority of students were black. When we moved to Washington state we were told she didn't qualify anymore, but refused to show us any test scores. Move forward to highschool and I constantly have to fight with counselor to get her into AP classes (it was the same with honors). Even though she was taking highschool classes in middle school and exceeds the GPA requirements. This is at a DODEA high school. I think middle school was the only time I didn't have to fight all the time for her to take classes at her level. Just trying to give her the best education we can as we can't afford private school.
crazy how im listening to this willingly just because I’m bored yet in my own social studies classes i just stare out the window wishing i was literally anywhere else the whole time not paying attention at all.
I normally never comment before watching a video, but honestly, the prospect of FINALLY getting a clear breakdown of what the US school system is instead of the generally simple "US School Bad" is amazing. I'm looking forward to the video, more than usual.
I sent my 6 kids to public schools. In a small, working class community. It was the best decision I ever made for them. 5 out of 6 have earned university degrees and all of them are successful in their chosen careers. I believe that a healthy public education system is the cornerstone of a healthy democracy.
This video is old and this comment might go unread, but just want to tell you that I’ve been watching your videos and they have been helping me construct a mental foundation, not only for myself, but for my son. He is only a year and a half old right now. I never planned on having a kid at 30. Every night I keep myself up and stress myself out about being a good parent and raising this kid to be an honest and caring person. Your videos are reminding me of a lot of feelings I already have about the world and reinforcing what I know, deep down, is right. Thank you for helping me reassure myself.
As a white male who just recently graduated from a rural, minimally diverse high school, I saw an alarming amount of tie-ins to this video. I'd say there wasn't much discrimination for gender during my education. Honor societies were 75%+ female, same with the number of 4.0 gpa students. However, racially, you hit the nail on the dime. GPA and teacher recommendations determined wether or not you were in honors. (every single teacher of mine has been white, with one exception, who was Asian) Honors classes were filled with white kids who's parents all attended parent teacher conferences and sent their children with gift baskets for the teachers, unlike the generally more impoverished minority students. Which meant that even though over 25% of our districts students were Hispanic, there were rarely more than three in any of my honors classes. Amazing video as always KB, I hope this changes people's perspective as much as it did mine.
It sounds like you problem has nothing to do with the race of the kids. The problem is the culture of certain groups not having the parental support they need. This isn’t a problem that just affects black people of Latino people but any person of any race or gender without a good nuclear household
Yes, but due to historic economic unfairness towards minorities that means that it disproportionally affects them. Saying it's a culture issue, not a systemic issue is kind of a dog whistle, sorry.
@@game_go_burrr Refusal to consider the cultural angle only makes things worse for more kids who will lack stable 2-parent households, and therefore lack an environment that's conducive to good education and moral behavior. It has been conclusively proven that kids in single-parent households are more likely to drop out of school and more likely to commit crimes. And it's not only black culture that should change in America. White American culture is now heavily gripped by narcissism, performative outrage, and style over substance that is making an embarrassment of us all, and allowing more and more issues to fester as people like you are distracted by nonsense that doesn't matter. We must solve problems, not spout platitudes.
@@Morrigi192 did you even watch the video? I'm not saying culture doesn't have anything to due with it, but I feel like you're just trying to pin the problem on nothing so you can avoid a reality check. Sure white households have problems, but are you really so ignorant as to say that racial discrimination isn't as big of a deal as white narcissism?
The whole point is that white families in my area have a culture of being more involved in their kid's education, they can only do this, because they can take time off their jobs and have the income to send their child with things to pamper their teachers. That's a culture, but it's one rooted in income and knowing English, something that means it's heavily stacked against the prominent Hispanic community in my area.
I don’t usually comment on TH-cam videos, but I have to on this one. This was an incredible video! The zoom meeting jokes were great! Extremely creative! Very educational! Not the most fun and happiest topic, but it’s very important info presented in an entertaining way!
I remember in grade school and high school they gave us those tests that basically chose what career is best for you.. and on all the tests it said I would be a good potter and or a good food handler... Anywhos I’m in law school now so I can tell you this system is fucked Edit: was also put in a class for Bilingual kids... The problem is I didn't speak a second language at that time. and two I didn't and don't have any speech disorders. I didn't understand this at all because I was the only one there with English as my primary language and other fellow Hispanic students who spoke less English than me were not in this class? I can't tell if I was a victim of racism or a victim of poor paperwork (or both)
I remember those career predicting tests. They were more psychological than aptitudinal, and all they predicted was what type of job you'd be happiest doing, not what you would be good at.
Who gives a shit about those tests? It obviously didn’t force you into that line of work. I can’t believe your mad about aptitude tests. Plus, you still may flunk out of law school or be a shitty lawyer.
As a non-American who took the ACT I always found it strange that it claims to measure college-readiness. I basically just looked up what comes on it and studied that I basically never needed to apply any form of reasoning. Even on the reading sections, the test was so short that you basically had to just learn to scan the passage and puc out facts. I feel like it's more of a race than an exam I feel like if they had more emphasis on content it would be easier to give more time and since the content is more fixed it's easier to ask questions that involve critical thinking. Applying the content you know
Standardized testing in American was intentionally designed to gatekeep poor (and most often non-white) students from entering college. Public schools do NOT prepare their students to take these exams. They do not have specific classes available in their core curriculum that teaches students how to effectively take those tests. Instead students are encouraged to take extra private schooling on course specifically meant for SAT/ ACT prep. This obviously creates a gap where students from rich families who could afford extra schooling fare way better than students who's family can not afford to do so.
What cruelty? She is just saying the truth. Intellectually disabled people have a learning disability. It is better to invest in those with higher learning powers who can do more for the rest of society
Being labeled gifted fucked me up, now I barely pass because I was told for years and years I was special so when it got hard, i didn't know what to do
Same. In my second semester of college, I took Chem I. I really, really struggled with the material. That hadn’t ever happened to me before, so I got super depressed, to the point where I stopped taking all medications I was prescribed at the time, and stopped going to all my classes. I ended up failing most of my classes that semester (including Chem). I passed after retaking all the classes I failed, tho!
It’s a problem of your parents not making you well rounded. I hate seeing this take. I was involved in baseball from an early age and classified as gifted about as early. School was never hard, but I worked incredibly hard to be a pitcher. Past high school, I got my degree in physics and computer science, never played a game of competitive baseball past my last playoff game in high school where I got rocked by the other team. You probably never did anything else with your life and experienced failure, maybe my gifted teacher was special, but he pushed us into uncomfortable situations where we were destined to fail. Art, music, Rube Goldberg machines are what we did under him, and we failed quite often. You fucked up because you cruised, not because you were labeled gifted. Your lack of ambition for anything great failed you.
For me it was the opposite. I remember I did the test for the Gifted and Talented program when I was in 2nd grade and I failed it. It really did a number on my self-esteem. Even at that age it really made me doubt myself. Even now at 31 I constantly underestimate myself.
@@cortster12 well that’s a whole another story though. Education is important but I’m sure we can all agree that the public school system and higher education can use some fixing for sure. This is why I joined the Washington Student Association in college so I can lobby the state gov to make higher education more equitable and cheaper for all!
I find it ridiculous that people are claiming "low reading levels" as a reason to oppose integrated schools, if they themselves aren't trying to maximise their literary skills.
When I was in elementary school, I was--and still am--an avid reader. I loved reading so much that I was the kid with the highest AR score, AR being the Advanced Reading program. I excelled in my English class and actually helped my classmates with their reading skills. However, everything changed as soon as the school found out that both my parents are from Mexico. They immediately placed me in ESL which stands for English Second Language. They did not take into account how well I was doing in class and assumed I would need extra help with learning English. I spent several days after school in ESL until the teacher noticed that I was reading books labeled for middle school readers.
In France we have something called "sector schools". Every city is divided into several public education sectors where you (a student) are "by default" pushed to be join. For example in my sector they were 2 primary schools, 1 middle school and 3 high schools. Of course you can choose to go outside of your sector, but your parents have to make more administrative things and because of the distance it's often not worth it. This system has his flaws (for example if you want to study a foreign language that isnt teached in any of your sector schools), but it's just... normal, and it's the same in many european countries. And today I've been very surprised to learn that the american far-right (like anything slightely state controlled thing for more equality) is criticizing the equivalent of this system in the US
What is opinion of French public regarding banning of home school(particularly for religious families) and even jailing parents for not sending them for public school? It seems authoritarian along with banning women clothing like Hijab etc.
@@zainmudassir2964 well, the recent hidjab ban was for different reasons. But for what concerns home schooling it's simple. Contrary to (some) americans, we are not always sceptic about every new law. We don't want to absolutely know where exactly our taxes go, because we know that obviously they are used for education, healthcare and stuff. And we don't see every governmental regulation as a "threat to liberty". The homeschool ban was banned because it would be used only to teach things that would not have been teached at school, meaning subjective or biaised informations. And indeed, the only people who protested against it were radical religious organizations, who would have used homeschooling to brainwash kids. We live in a democracy, our education system in France is far from being the best, but he does its job in teaching basic education. They are still private schools if parents want their kids to have religious classes or if they want to learn regional languages. Kids can also go to religious classes outside of the school but only if it's not in the school time. For example I went to a christian teaching one time a week during middle school on the day where we didnt have class on the afternoon. So the ban of homeschooling isnt "autoritarian", it's just normal and justified
@@zainmudassir2964 teachers go to school to become teachers for a reason random parents are not qualified to teach it would be unfair for the child to get a crappy education and get left behind in life just because of their parents
French here, and a minority. While what you describe is true, the problem is still the same. France has a long history of its own segregation-like behaviors. Entire neighborhoods were built to accommodate at first single migrant workers from former colonies and then their families, needed to rebuild France post WWII essentially separating them from white French people. This resulted until now in schools that are effectively segregating kids based on their origins and socioeconomic backgrounds. It was a deliberate choice as (former) colonies and their populations were second class citizens: creating value for France, without enjoying any of the rights it afforded it metropolitan citizens. I grow up in a city that was composed of a poorer neighborhood and a richer one, separated by a long road with shop in between (just like the city centers and suburbs in the US). The graduation rates between the schools in the different neighborhoods was (and still is) incredibly unbalanced, so was the racial composition of the schools. Add to that the fact that funding for school is in a significant part financed by municipalities (although it varies by the level of education) and you end up in a system where poor neighborhoods do get less resources, even with extra help from the government. The reasons could be translated to the French situation almost directly. While the specifics are different, the underlying problem is similar: decades of deliberate policy to separate populations and a lack of investments in solutions to bring equity (and not equality) to a problem created by the state.
@@ilikecookies230 Exactly. Rand and other Libertarian thinkers make sense on a very basic level, but they think too much in Utopian perspectives. If we all started from 0 and there were no difference in circumstances at all, of course the idea that every man and woman standing on their own two feet, no cooperation whatsoever would be responsible for their own success or failure. But we don't live in a book, and we all can be considered slaves to circumstance in a way.
My grandma was in college at the university of Wisconsin during the 1930s, she became a speech pathologist and lived a very independent, progressive life. But she WANTED to be a doctor. She was one of the lucky women to be highly educated but society valued her differently.
I was pulled out of Chicago public schools just after starting 3rd grade. No real reason has ever been given. My mom will give me a different excuse every time I ask her, but it wasn’t for religious reasons (I was the only person in the house who went to church). Out of 4 kids who were “homeschooled”*, I was the only one to get a GED and go on to college and get an associates degree. So yeah, homeschooling isn’t a great idea. *our version of “homeschooling” was being given outdated books with no instruction and left alone at home while my parents worked. So basically I spent a decade at home, on the couch, eating all the chips and cereal I could get away with, and doing almost ZERO schoolwork. We were kept inside the house because my parents thought if the neighbors saw us, they’d call cps. The only good to come of that mess was that a decade of isolation really prepared me for Covid lockdowns 😅
Basically, the education system in the U.S. or any other country reflects the prejudices and power dynamics of that country. Every institution of a country is a cog in the machine of a country.
But somehow, glorious communist countries are exempt. Still waiting on the Knowing Better video about myths associated with leftist rewrites of history.
I was the most gifted math student in my class. I went an entire year in precalculus literally only missing 2 problems all year but couldn't afford my own rides to calculus at the jc so....... rip. I eventually became an mathematician at almost 40, too old to do my best work. That is an extremely abbreviated version as much happened afterwards, but that was the start of a downward spiral of being the smartest kid in the room to needing drug detox and a new life. Never let anyone tell you that only stupid, useless, and lazy people do drugs. I was the only guy in the corner reading books, getting up and going back and forth to my menial job and doing math AND doing drugs in between........ Nobody asked me about it though and nobody explained to me how to communicate my thoughts until much later. Nobody really cared. Keep in mind this was all before broadband internet. I have not met many who are compelled to learn as strongly as I am, so I guess that Rand was talking about people like me. Her system values kids like me and then craps on kids like me.
“Her system values kids like me and then craps on kids like me” this, except my story is flipped. I’m exhausted and I just want to reclaim education for *me.* Not anyone else. No performance bullshit. Just pure curiosity and fun. Humans thrive on curiosity and we’ve somehow managed to build a system that beats it out of children.
I love how shitty the special ed program still is... I was diagnosed with ADHD in like second grade and put in special ed in sixth, and it wasn't until half way through my senior year that I learned what that actually even meant. I was under the assumption that it meant exactly what it said on the tin, just trouble focusing and staying still when in actuality the main symptom is an inability to regulate your emotions. For all of my scholastic career I was left fighting my inability to pay attention to my work head on, utterly failing to make any progress towards productivity because I didn't even understand what I was actually fighting. But at least I had the rest of my senior year to at least try to figure out a system that would work for me, and eventually I even figured out that I could work a lot better in the school library, and in February 2020 I was even starting to get caught up on a lot of my classes. I still had a lot of work to do, as I was still failing, but so long as I could count on returning to the library to work on my over due and upcoming assignments, I would graduate on time...
I was looking for a comment similar to my experiences! I was put in special Ed in first grade due to behavioral problems. I'm also ADHD an a few other diagnosis. The system truly failed me.
Looking back at my middle and high school years kids that were special needs were all in the back portables and they were treated like convicts and just passed along grades , now I feel so bad for them we didn't bully them or anything because we were forced bus to integrate the majority white school so we were treated just as bad as the kid's in the portables. I would never let my kids go to public/political school.
@@irvin5839 what you seem to lack here, as no one has agreed with you, is a wider perspective on this issue: Your experience isn't the only experience that has ever happened bruh, and in order for your own healing to begin, you need to try and understand that other perspectives and experiences exist. Then, and only then, can you start looking at life with love instead of selfishness.
@stacyfiske7903 it's my experience that I related I wasn't looking for agreement, I've raised 2 kids successfully by my self and given the tools to go out in this world not looking for someone to agree with them on any social media platform now when you have walk in my shoes and experience my life and raised a family on your on with the odds against you then you can comment. Have a nice day .
I was halfway through my senior year the first time I heard about executive functionig and how I don't have it. There were two whole years I never learned the names of my facilitators because I never saw them
When I was a kid we were all taught tolerance is important. Now the goal posts have moved a bit though, tolerance is no longer acceptable and we must graduate to acceptance. I get it, our kids will grow up to be more accepting, but what comes with that is the villainization of tolerance. Tolerance is no longer good enough, and if that's all you can muster, you're the enemy. Very interesting to watch.
What some call tolerant, others call degenerate. I propose that as long as there is civility, one does not need tolerance. If tolerance and complacency can share a drink at a bar among thieves, then civility was the guy shot in the alley.
@@kazimierzliz8280 People who react to being exposed to new ideas and people with intolerance tend to have been exposed to less diversity when they were growing up. Intolerance and inflexibility aren't caused by change, they are responses that can be reduced by more diversity at a younger age.
As a millennial, you are spot on about memorization vs process teaching. Common core math seemed so wrong to me at first, but after really looking at it, I’m upset that I didn’t learn it that way as a kid. I still feel like my brain is wired to see math as plugging numbers into memorized formulas instead of really understanding processes
After just graduating from high school this year, I can say this video connects the dots of the serious issues I've seen and opened my eyes to issues I didn't even know existed.
@@dragma907 You don't see what's wrong with not being able to sell your house to the highest bidder because they're black? If I'm selling, and they've got the funds, no one should be able to tell me who I can take money from.
I remember being absolutely appalled and nauseated by her when we were forced to read Anthem in high school. Even at the time, I thought her writing was stilted and contrived, and the story was just kind of stupid. As I’ve gotten to know more about Rand and her “philosophy,” those feelings have only strengthened. She was a narcissistic pseudo-intellectual, and her writing isn’t even on par with the Dan Brown’s of the world. She appeals to emotional cripples who don’t want to grow up and recognize that they live in a society with history that they depend on more than they could possibly ever give back.
@Nicholas Seamans Jordan Peterson doesn't espouse anything remotely like Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy. People who mock Jordan Peterson tend to be people who are told about him rather than people who have listened to him.
Loved this video, I was briefly thrust into a teaching position at a private special ed school outside NYC, and it seems to me like the "children are bussed out of the city not into it" still holds true. I was also a "doubly exceptional" or whatever gifted kid in a private school growing up, and tbh none of the therapy or extra test time or requirements to single myself out by checking in with each teacher seemed to help me at all. And the honor classes seemed to be moving at exactly the same speed as the normal one, but instead of being taught explicitly we were expected to "figure it out". I got high ACT and SAT scores, but only because I attended weekend courses where we just took them over and over again. I wish school was about learning and not being pitted against each other tournament style to see who comes out on top and will be recruited to the best Uni, and get the best job.
I think a lot of that has to do with the reasons parents choose to homeschool. Like, we homeschool, but when I meet other parents who do so for "religious" reasons, I find I don't have a lot in common with them, despite being religious myself. We homeschool for very different reasons.
@D. F. Yeah it just depends a lot on personal learning style I think. My younger sister absolutly loves Homeschooling and got better in all her subjects whereas my brother and I just got stressed out and got worse grades then we've ever had before. But my sister also learns quite different to us, we both learn more listening to a teacher after going to a seperate place. She just likes to be more flexible with time and content with the added bonus of staying in her room where she can concentrate better Edit: Countries I have lived in do require that permanently homeschooled students take tests to show they are at least on the same level as regularly educated pupils in the same age group are
@D. F. I feel the same way. On the one hand, I learned how to teach myself, which is probably the most valuable skill I have. On the other, I learned the Earth is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old and that Christopher Columbus was a hero. :-/ My mom was an elementary school teacher who quit to teach my sister and myself full time, so we actually received a pretty reasonable education for things that didn't conflict with hardcore evangelicalism. But the lack of regulation is scary and who knows? Maybe I would have been an evolutionary biologist if I had learned actual science growing up. (for the record, I did fine, have a great life and job, not religious anymore, and try to keep learning constantly. Things turned out all right for me.)
my high school was closed because of "low test scores" (eh-hem, bullshit) and was turned in to a charter school with even lower performance, smh, and the organization/company that ran it was under FBI investigation at one point
Well it’s dependent on where you are. I know schools tend to get out in AZ in May but when I was in WA they usually got out in June (keeping in mind that we didn’t just have a longer summer in AZ, us getting out in May meant we started school in August whereas school started in September while I was in WA)
I was one of the very few students in my middle school (located in jamaica, Queens) that took the SHSAT. I was under the impression that it was a mental aptitude test and that studying would do little to improve your score (This was later reinforced by some random SAT tutor in high school). I didn't study and my score wasnt even close to one of the only students to get in. I'll admit I was a pompous 13 year old before the test but that score made me feel so inferior. To make matters worse, I attended a high school really close to stuyvesant and I would constantly dream about what my life would be like if i passed that test. Now I realize that it didn't really matter and that im glad to have gone to my high school because of the friends I still have today.
as an honors/gifted kid, just watching the intro, I can say that's basically true. School came easy so I never learned how to study and now college be kicking my ass
Ask for help! I turned down the offers of tutoring and study skills because of pride and “I’ve always been able to get good grades, my way is fine...” Not realizing how unprepared I was for actually difficult academics. I lost all my scholarships and floundered for decades trying to figure out how I had fallen so low from the pedestal public school placed me on. Trying to figure out what you want and need from life when your whole life you’re told “be a doctor, be president, you’re bound to succeed!” can be discouraging. Stick with your classes; finish everything! Even if you don’t pursue that track, all knowledge helps broaden your world and illuminates your possible paths to your future. PS it’s okay to fail! Pick yourself up and try again. Don’t pick the sure path out of fear of not measuring up.
My biggest piece of advice as a lazy honors/AP student but mostly successful college grad is to find a study group. Also, talk with your professors a lot.
that's fair. i would consider the same if i had kids that i thought wouldn't fair well in public ed. the schools can be a torture chamber if you suffer from mental illness.
My sister went to a virtual academy. She has a chronic disorder that keeps her out of school. It was a good choice because she could go to class at home.
It's also very, very close to being an oxymoron. It's not quite-- I can imagine an intelligent person reading it to actually see how stupid it is. "An intelligent person who read Atlas Shrugged and thought was good," now that there is an oxymoron.
@@frigginjerk I mean, I'm fairly intelligent and thought it was pretty good. But then, I was also a naive, egotistical teenager at the time, and have since grown out of it.
Honors classes at my school were accessible to everyone, you just signed up for it when picking classes. As long as you kept a passing grade you go to stay in honors classes.
Can we all not acknowledge that if you barely passed Freshman English with a D, you likely would’ve been aggressively talked out of signing up for Honors English the following year, even if the AP/honors classes were technically accessible to everyone? Like even if they don’t literally make you take a test or something at a given school (though at some this is definitely a requirement? there’s still walls put up for certain people to prevent them from accessing these classes. I don’t understand why everyone in this comment section is being so deliberately obtuse about this and pretending that these classes could’ve been taken by literally anyone and everyone. It’s just so obviously not true.
@@zenleeparadise what? There aren’t any walls. I went to school in Texas, one of the most conservative states in the nation. If you got a failing grade in a honors class, you were forced to go into an on level course. Other wise there was no barrier to being in higher end classes. There wasn’t any kind of entrance test or anything like that, you just signed up for honors classes. There weren’t limited seats either, They just created more honors classes if it was necessary. Maybe your the one being obtuse about it. If everyone in the comment section is saying the same thing than maybe, just maybe that’s how things are.
@@k-popistrash8974 I didn’t say anything about it being a conservative-state issue, my guy. If you’ve always been a good student maybe you don’t understand this, but if you nearly failed Freshman English, literally every single adult who had any say in the matter would’ve been aggressively advocating for you to not sign up for an AP class, even if it was technically an option. If you’re unwilling to recognize this it’s either because you’re being obtuse or because privilege is blinding you. You literally didn’t directly respond to a single thing I said.
@@zenleeparadise I’m assuming this is a personal antidote and there is nothing wrong with it. If you almost failed freshman English it probably wouldn’t be great for you to take AP classes, that’s not discrimination that’s common sense.
I don't find it too surprising, Angus... college comes from "collegium", the group where everybody "reads" (studies) things in common (or if you want "as colleagues"). The whole naming convention thing is meddled up anyway as a lot of "colleges" are actually called university (and the other way round, Oxford University in Great Britain has a lot of sub faculties that are called College... so it's not universal and has never been. A lot like some regions having only primary and secondary school while others have primary middle and high school. which may mean different curricula or just traditional naming while the same sort of curriculum is taught.
@@fierrect6089 Indeed he does. He mentions how they study early and hard for standardized tests, then become disproportionately successful. It undermines KB's narrative about "structural racism", so he doesn't dwell on it.
@@Ugly_German_Truths Actually my guidance counselor explained to me that the school rebranded them that way so that they sounded more prestigious and promoted higher education. They used to be called "Business". Thanks for your interesting info though.
Finding out you were a teacher makes so much sense. I was a Music Education major and my honors thesis was on The Effects of Industrialization on American Education. I saw a LOT of the information I researched in this, including the book "A Nation at Risk". In fact, I own a copy of it. I currently teach at a brick and mortar K-8 public school. I did my student teaching at my old high school, which was a performing arts high school. It was considered a choice school; there was a GPA requirement and we auditioned on what our major was (I was a band major, vocal minor.) My situation is interesting, however, because I attended the Detroit School of Arts. Although we're in a process of gentrification as more white families are coming back to the city, Detroit is still predominantly black. It's interesting how that changes the way choice schools operate. I have about 3 minutes left in this video, but I can't wait for your next religion video. Have a nice day everyone.
From my experience, most of the homeschooled people I've known were kept out of public schools either for economic/geographic reasons, or the child was socially inept. Or the family was Christian.
Most of the homeschooled people in my area grew up with Christian families. Idk how they survived highschool or college being total nice guys/gals, but I draw the line at them being so nice they're basically allowing people to step on 'em. Or be easily offended at what everyone else would have to learn. Idk if this is relevant, but I feel sorry for the sort of people who have to research something like abortion or the legalization of weed for an English project and get yelled at for choosing a "demonic" topic. Side note, the scenario I spoke of actually happened to me. TLDR; it hella sucked and I got a low grade from all the unwanted stress and unwanted help.
@@teteteteta2548 I am a catholic though, so via church I could network and find places and people my kids could socialize with. Also possibly neighborhood kids. So it wouldn't be much of a loss socializing wise. Possibly beneficial considering how terrible high school can be
I'm noticing an odd pattern of people pointing at my fellow Christians and I am becoming curious. Also some stigma about being dogmatic or "indoctrinated". Hell, I came out of public school like a normal bloke. "Indoctrination" don't mean jack when you learn more of your religion than your parents and teach them sometimes.
Jesus Christ, flashbacks to being one of 2 black kids in the "Academic" pipeline in my high school in Toronto's suburbs Circa 2010. I still cringe from the amount of self-hate that I expressed because the classes were easy "why couldn't the other black kids get into them? "
That's not self hate? That's you questioning things, and hopefully drawing your own conclusions. The pressure that got you in is pressure many other kids don't have. The source of what got you in might be what kept others out.
I'm a homeschool student currently in high school, and I just wanted to clarify - home-schooling parents don't just teach everything from their own knowledge. There are a huge number of curriculums from countless perspectives, and many homeschoolers are part of "co-ops" where people get together for classes. Also, I don't know of any homeschoolers who haven't taken the ACT or SAT. It may be true that some people homeschool irresponsibly and use it as a way to shelter their kids from the world, but I think that homeschooling can also be done well.
I was homeschooled from age 16-18(suicidal depression) and yes, KB does a disservice to homeschooling. In my case there was a network of other homeschooling teachers(many of whom were former teachers) and curriculum wasn't much different from what my public school friends were learning. While I won't deny there definitely are weirdo parents who just want their children to be sheltered from the world, that's more than likely the exception rather than the norm, as I've met hundreds of homeschooled kids who have similar experiences to me.
@@stylish_rubble314 I wouldn't say he's doing a disservice homeschooling as a viable education option, but rather pointing out how homeschooling is a tactic used to maintain or impose control, and how the comparisons included in several right-wing reports aren't applicable in the context provided due to high variability in homeschooling methods.
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so now, we know better?
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Will do
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If I had kids, I would like you to be their history teacher
The whole "gifted kid" phenomenon just sets up those kids for failure, by telling them that their primary defining feature is an intrinsic, uncontrollable trait. So when they proceed through the school system and get to harder material, it's very easy for them to feel like they're a failure, because all of the praise they received centered around how "bright" they were, rather than establishing good study habits.
That is definitely a possible outcome and it definitely played out that way for some kids. But not all.
Yuuuup! That was me. Took the test, did alright, but didn't get it, but in the back of my mind I always carried that with me. Didn't study hard because, "I'm smart and gifted". And due to that I never learned the skills to study properly. Plus throw in the probably undiagnosed adhd...the end of High School did not bode well.
Don't forget your Highschool Teachers looking at you being in Gifted and Talented and constantly telling you "I know you're better and can do better, you're just lazy!" Whenever you went to them for help, or your parents. Any tutoring I have ever received has been from Google and online friends. Rarely if ever have teachers or my parents even tried to help me, and my parents for the most part sure as hell can't because I'm doing mathematics and science they don't even understand. Man, highschool is great.
@@brushnit9212ours tried to do that, but I saw one lady for 20 minutes once or twice a week to work on independent study projects, never actually saw my freshman year junjor year facilitators, and by the time I got a teacher who would tell us anything ither than how smart we were, I was 8 months to graduation, which isn't enough time to learn about study habits or how we were pretty much all neurodivergent, just not in any way that inconvencienced the adults
As a former gifted student, I agree.
That's impressive. Tuesday you had a mustache. Wednesday shaved. Thursday it's back. Friday you even have some beard. That hair growth speed is unbelievable.
@@cedrove7513 He's a gifted, talented facial hair grower.
I was one of those students that was talked out of enrolling into advanced mathematics courses. The gatekeeping guidance counselor was fired some years later for racial discrimination. I'm proud to say that my second major in college was math and I graduated with a perfect (read that 4.0) GPA, no thanks to the guidance counselor.
I was dumb as a kid and thought they were doing it for my benefit not that they just didn’t think I was capable of doing the work because I was black and from a public school.
the same happened to me, i was told that i just couldn't keep up in the class and that i would have to write an essay assigned by my current english teacher to enter in the class (mind you i was allowed into ap us history, ap spanish with no argument). my english teacher scoffed at the idea and signed my paper allowing me into honors english. i was the only black student in the class.
and then everyone clapped
@@joelle4226 you weren't dumb, you were brainwashed. You didn't believe in yourself because you were basically groomed from infancy to believe that you were always just a little less, you were behind, ect. Don't blame yourself.
big w
As someone who was simultaneously diagnosed with ADD and in "gifted" classes, that intro hit hard. There was this near constant questioning of whether or not I should be in there and classmates joking about how mentally slow people with that condition are. Many students acted like different people in those classes like absolute peacocks.
Same, only I didn't care about school,I just let them shove Retalin down my throat so I could sit still
God I was such a cunt when I was in school. Seriously fucked me up for a while.
As someone who was a "gifted" student at an early age but then didn't follow through into the honors classes, was not a fan of the intro because of the fact that, no, everything was NOT handed to me, in fact, more was expected of me because of being a gifted student...
Yeah as a "gifted" student with autism. I felt like that intro was abit too targeted. I'm grateful to have teachers that cared but his intro was the narrative used by overly invested teachers who were unaware of what I was dealing with. Studies show that what we think of as "gifted" students tend to also be special needs
"gifted" isnt a thing in NZ but I was up a grade and then did calculus up a grade but I still think I'm a fucking idiot. (Which is definitely true btw) I can't really understand the mindset of thinking you're better than other people because that's nearly impossible as far as I'm concerned. Only like .1% of people are actually just built different and better. Imo the rest are just privilidged to have a life where they're able to fully focus on school (which usually means they have no or less of a social life like me). Plus school is fucking bullshit anyway and doesn't translate to success as I've found out since I dropped out of university because I completely lost all motivation and have been wasting my life for the past year (recently did get a part time job though). All of this life story is to say that "gifted" students is a stupid and untrue name. "Early advanced" would be better imo, but unless you're part of the .1% you dont deserve special treatment (unless you actually have special needs) and if you are part of the .1% you barely need school to begin with
"Nobody is an expert at everything."
Clearly you've never been on Twitter.
Clearly you don't own an airfryer
First class boomer humor
Clearly you haven’t listened The Stable Genius: Donald Trump.
Or just the internet in general
I truly despised the ideas espoused with this statement. You don’t need to be an expert in everything in order to point a child in the right direction or give the tools to learn for themselves. Very few public school educators can claim to be an expert in their Feild, as the educational requirements to fill these positions do not demand it. And clearly elementary school teachers cannot fulfill this role as they are required to teach many subjects. With libraries, and the internet, and a lot of discernment anyone can become and expert at anything. At least from a philosophical perspective. Certain disciplines require a practical aspect that can be difficult to access.
Whenever there is an issue in America I always wonder, "How does Reagan fit in this?" And he always shows up
lmaoooo
REAGAN!!!!!!! FRIEDMAN!!!!!!!
Seriously I hate these guy's with a passion.
Reagan sucked a fat one, literally people only like him because he said say no to drugs and think hes the best President ever because of it and ignore the mountain of problems he caused lol
@@bloodking73 Not quite People like Reagon because he had a appearance of a conservative's conservative.
its all reagan. the american revolution, Reagan : civil war, Reagan : world war 1&2, reagan. its all reagan
the fact that rand plugged her own book in that segment will never stop being funny
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@@KnowingBetter Was this work of fiction written when you were putting the kool aid in your hair for visual effects or after you started drinking it?
I went to middle school in USSR and high school in the States. I was shocked how Americans recited The Pledge every day. That's some hard core stuff.
Ideological management. Like the American Legion and, by proxy, the John Birch Society (whose heirs evident are now in the Tea Party.)
Looking back on my own school experience in the US and yeah it’s definitely strange and on a disturbing level of nationalistic pride. Like a bunch of seven years olds in a Bush era elementary school in the Bible Belt reciting the pledge everyday is something out of a southern gothic novella and 1984 fusion.
@@endergamer7483 or a bunch of kids chanting "OBAMA" - that is more recent than "bush era".
@@peckandabushel3065 true, I was in most of elementary school during Bush and the majority of middle and part of high school with Obama. We recited the pledge in elementary school mostly and then that petered out in my later school years. It’s still creepy seeing how young I was and how if it was anywhere like North Korea and/or Russia we would call it “indoctrination”. I’m what I like to call a geriatric member of gen z (aka 20 something who was too young to remember 9/11, but was around for it and the chaos that followed it).
Yeh. I'm german and I think if any school here were to have students recite something like that there'd be public outrage.
“Save any questions until the end” *saves no time for questions at the end* “oh shoot I’m already way over blah blah blah” *answers no questions at the end*
Too accurate 😂😂
I’m a bit disappointed the “class this week” format doesn’t mean we’re getting a 50 minute video every day this week
At first I thought when he referenced the next day we were literally going to be getting a 50 minute video each day of this week somehow.
It would've been amazing
Yeah I wish
@@LRAStartFox !!1--!@
Had a teacher try the “Those classes are pretty advanced, I wouldn’t want you to fall behind.” She is literally the only reason I took the test for AP Physics as a junior. Only 8 people passed. Super fun class. I suspect she may have known I would take the test to spite her.
that's one way to motivate people. it seemed to have worked.
not a great way to motivate people though
good on you for giving people the benefit of the doubt... but as a teacher, she should know better than to tell you what she did without encouragement as well. *shrug*
I wanted to take HS Chemistry and Physics in the same year (Junior). Was discouraged because of the "work load". I chose to anyway...passed both with A's
I was in gifted programs, and as an ADHD person it hit hard when I couldn't do "Normal" things, I took tests well, easily memorizing things but when it came to the immense homework load I was basically drowning in late assignments. :/ I felt such immense failure due to being told I'd been so smart and well behaved my whole life. Really set me up for burnt out and failure in the work force and I've only now begun to accept my disabilities, since prior I'd been working my body and mind to painful states of burnout.
Hello fellow "smart" adhd haver. I relate to this hard.
I get y’all
I really need an evaluation. I have this same problem and it been getting out of hand lately. Not to mention other behavioral indicators. I’m know as the “smart child” of the family and there is so much pressure and everyone think I’m so smart and organized and well put together but I have been severely drowning because of deadlines. Idk how I got this far tbh
@@rain_drops2723 have you tried the youtube psychologist's and ADHD specialist's videos? You might be able to find some helpful information on what it is you're looking for, i.e. diagnosis and/or treatment, there. Good luck, tho! It seems I have ADHD tendencies, but I am NOT ADHD. tell me how that works lol So I just have to win my professors over with charm in order to be able to turn something in late. It usually works, but not always, duh. but the stress, guilt and shame of "not being able to handle it all" can get quite heavy.
@@stacyfiske7903 thanks you! I can imagine how stressful that is. I don’t want to self diagnose cuz I don’t want to sound like I’m trying to be quirky or anything. But when I get older I’m thinking of going to a therapist so if it’s anything they would tell me. Where I mental health is not taken seriously at all so I can’t get professional help right now. So I’m just finding ways to manage somehow.
New character unlocked: 12th grade Honors US History Teacher Mr Better
Soon enough his character selection menu gonna look like a lego freeplay menu
We really need a super smash bros game with all the knowing Better characters
Funy
Suggested reading by my senior year US History teacher: ESCAPE FROM FREEDOM by Erich Fromm.
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Damn, Knowing Better actually put chalk stains on himself, that is attention to detail.
Is chalk still a thing?
I didn't get the meaning there, does it have a deeper meaning?
@@Warentester I don’t know, ain’t seen one in a long time.
@@k20nutz It is just something that happens to teachers if they use a chalk board a lot, but he would have had to put that chalk on himself, it is kinda an inside joke.
@@Warentester Not at my school at least, we use whiteboards now, but we used to use chalkboards.
The somewhat fantastic irony of the intro is that we all are actively choosing to take time out of our day to watch a Knowing Better history lecture. And frankly it's always a good call.
In our case, our parents pulled my sister and me out of the local public primary school due to "Concerns about school environment." Specifically, both of us had been victims of serious violence at the hands of older students, which the school administrators refused to do anything about. We went to private school for a few years until we moved to a different district. Most of the homeschooling parents I personally know today had similar reasons - bullying and violence haven't gone anywhere. While I'm sure that for many parents "school environment" is code for "zomg they exposed my kids to secular values, the dirty commies" but it's definitely not 100%.
The reason my mom insisted on sending me and my brother to the private Christian school run by our church that they couldn't afford was specifically because she didn't want us to learn about evolution. NVM that both she and my dad went to public schools their entire lives and both are Young Earth Creationists...
But as a result, my dad had to work 2-3 jobs when I was a kid and we rarely saw him.
And the real irony is that it was Bible College that made me ask questions about Christianity and eventually lead to me becoming an atheist.
@@SadisticSenpai61 One of the best cases of irony ever lol
Well your parents didn't try to homeschool you, this is a different situation
I homeschooled one of my kiddos for a while because she was touched inappropriately at school and the school tried to hide it and coach her -.- she was in a program for emotional and developmental disabilities and they let her go off on her own to the "Gen ed" side for whatever reason. I pulled her out for the rest of that year until we could find a better fit because that was the third school we had tried that year. I was in no way qualified to teach her and be mom at home, so it was a rough few months before we found a good fit. Most people I know who homeschool, do so for similar reasons I did for a while and are way better at teaching elementary school subjects. I guess we will see how they do when the kids hit middle/high school age 😂
@@SadisticSenpai61 reminds me of that one tweet, or x?
Someone asked “When christians want to re-affirm their beliefs, they read the bible, what to atheists read?”
And someone replied “the same thing”
Fun not so fun fact: here in northern ireland we are still more or less segregated based on religion. You can tell a protestant and a catholic apart simply by asking them how to say the letter "h" as catholics are mostly taught "haych" and protestants mostly "aych"
What part of the north are you from. I am from kerry but I have been living in Belfast for the past 4 years.
@Hnghgn arghhggg yeah thats why I said mostly cause there are some on both sides who say it the other way
@@AnCoilean im from derry myself
@@padraigpearse1551 I have Derry roots. my great grandmother was born in Coleraine but was burnt out in 1920
Down South most protestants don't pronounce their rs and use broad vowels. I had Protestant friends growing up who had elecution classes in both primary and secondary schools.
Virtual schools are sus, says the online teacher who's content I never miss.
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@@seancondon5572 hooz*
Amogus.
Unfortunately a lot of teachers wouldn't be able to say a lot of this without getting into trouble. :/
@@onesob13 whosesknownst
The amount of people who have their cameras on is quite frankly impressive, why aren't you giving them credit Knowing Better?!?!
As someone who just signed off Zoom from teaching a summer statistics course in which not one student had their camera on, I agree.
probably cause he knows better ;)
I'm curious who volunteered to stand in as his students, probably Patreon Patrons? Some looked even older than Hollywood "Seniors" :D
@@Ugly_German_Truths I know its crazy that in Hollywood even 30 y/o men and 35 y/o females are sometimes cast as high schoolers. Gee I wonder why kids these days are so self concious?
At our school they kick you out of the class if the camera's off for no reason.
That's just giving extra poitns to people who can afford nice computers, more expensive internet plans, and happen to live in places with good service
I am a white Christian girl who was pulled out of public school in 7th grade due to mental health issues and the stress that being in a gifted program since second grade had put on me. I didn't graduate with a diploma or a GED, but because of my ACT score, I went to college with a scholarship and only had to take out $5,000 in student loans total. I'm 21 and those loans are already paid off, now I am working as a Special Ed Para in an inner city charter school... This video got me good. Thank you for using your teaching skills to better the adult world
As someone who was just hired as a teacher, that intro hits different
Edit: that smile when he says "separate, but equally difficult" just makes me laugh, you can tell he's on like his 5th+ take and just trying to keep it together!
Good luck, you’ll need it.
I am a teacher, my wife is a teacher, my grandma was a teacher, my aunts is teacher and lots of my cousins
This video is a mixed bag of accuracy. And seems to have a lot of projection and misunderstanding and misrepresentations of the systems in place.
Admittedly I am 36 minutes in I will add an edit after the conclusion but when we get to modern portion that his implications are getting pretty ridiculous.
Edit: Finished and stand by opinion. The whole video is one big Apophenia Bias. I work directly against Charter School in my public magnet school (a public school with the intention of being more diverse). The charter schools market themselves on this premise of being diverse. But they care about one thing the grade Black, Hispanic, Asian? Doesn't matter if you behave an get a good grade. If not they expel you back to public school. It's profit, home life and a dozen other factors at play.
@@gregjones4705 You've just admitted to assuming his implications about modern education are ridiculous while also admitting that you haven't watched it yet. All based on personal experience whereas the through line in the video gas been verified historical events.
@@tracyh5751 At my time stamp he already made implications that gifted programs were made to segregate. And there's a reason I sperated the modern section. The historical section is fine for a broad overview. Knowingbetter usually does a good job with history. I really wish he dug into the property tax thing that is a big fucking deal still hurting schools today.
It's also not getting better either. I have not met a single person who thinks Asians are genetically smarter, that most "people believe". Most people know and understand the cultural stereotype of Asians parents. Also his projections about his racist past is more telling about him then anything else.
My biggest problem he is blaming school systems for problems that connects back to economics class. Implying systems are intentionally racist. 66% of educational performance is determined by home life. Working class parents which has higher percentage of PoC cannot provide the same aid middle and upper class parents can. Fix our welfare, raise wages, M4a and If parents can spend less time working and more time with kids those kids will have a better chance to succeed.
@@gregjones4705 All of the problems today are downwind from history, and the motivations of the past absolutely were grounded in racism and classism (among other things). You can't deny that.
The situation we are in today is from maintaining the status quo of policies that were founded by racist principles. It's kind of important to know that we've been maintaining systems that were designed to educate for goals a lot of us probably don't agree with anymore.
You are right that there are other issues that tie into our education, but that doesn't mean our schooling systems need massive overhauls even if we fixed all that you've mentioned.
At my Highschool anybody was allowed to take Honors / AP classes, you didn't need to take a test to get into them, is that not how they normally work?
It is normally how they work. I really am not sure what he's talking about here.
That was how it worked for me too. You just chose to put it on a schedule
Same. We were, however, grandfathered in for most of the students. "Gifted" labels were given as young kids. At my school now (I teach 3rd) we have no way to designate gifted students, so our little ones will not be able to use this pathway.
@@thefink6146 In Elementary School I do remember being placed in advanced math with a handful of other students so maybe he meant something like that, but the school tested everybody free of charge in third grade (before the disparities between students as a result of background could manifest at all) and it didn't even matter because after Elementary School we all ended up in the same math classes anyway so all it did was just make me hate math due to the tougher classes lol.
My high school, you didn’t take a test, but you had to have a certain GPA to qualify for it. You couldn’t just decide to take an AP class
honors classes gave me an inflated ego as a kid
same, I felt called out by that intro.
Kinda reason why i just got straight c grade, i saw what was happening to those who got honour classes, n went into college, only to have reality thrown at them. When i went to take classes in college, in the end i was in same classes as the valedictorian of another school
I can't say I share the same experience. Being around other honors students, who were basically friends I had known since elementary school, meant I was always around people I viewed as smart or smarter than me. Sort of an "Always a bigger fish" thing going on.
Y’all should read my comment lol
@@FLipPy-u8h uh.. you can’t really search for comments so how
This speaks to me as a black kid who was recognized as “gifted” but whose single mom did not have the means to transport me so I could participate in the gifted program. And even though I still excelled in Honors and AP classes in high school, I still had to go into massive life-altering debt to even attend colleges into which I was easily accepted.
Im sorry you went through that.
Maybe you should have been smart enough to realize taking on all that debt was a stupid idea. If you’re that smart you could easily get a scholarship into smaller schools and if your mom wasn’t taking in the dough they have Pell grants.
@@TrueStoreyPBmaybe they didn’t wanna go into smaller schools? maybe the solution wasn’t as easy as your huge brain says it could’ve been, or there wasn’t a “solution” at all
@@TrueStoreyPBA little harsh to belittle their intelligence by saying that they shouldn’t have gone to college in the first place. I’m guessing this was probably a while ago back when discrimination in high-level education and scholarship selection was prevalent and there weren’t many programs for low-income families. Still though, don’t call someone stupid because they went through a predatory business and came out with some debt that can be paid off in some years, first-generation college students suffer the worst
@@tpd1864blake oh yea? How long ago was that? As long as I’ve been alive black people get preferential selection for scholarships at major universities. Which isn’t what I was talking about anyway. I’m talking about simple scholarships you can get at community colleges just based on ACT scores. Anyone with above average intelligence can pull one of those and get an associates for the cost of just showing up.
in high school my teachers actively tell all the smart kids that they will one day face a topic that will destroy there egos, now that Ive started calculus i see what theyre talking about
The mountain of knowledge to climb never ends, it just gets steeper and everyone slowly drifts apart. But it helps to look back once in a while and enjoy the view.
Yep, calc humbled me too 😕
@@dearyvettetn4489 - Derivatives were pretty fun and fairly intuitive. Integrals though... fuck integrals.
When the answer to every problem boils down to, "lol, just know the answer", that's when it stops being fun.
@@KingBobXVI Strange... According to my recollection from 30 years ago integrals were also intuitive. Just calculating the area under a graf is doable. But just knowing saves time... But what do I know, I am just a Dutch tax lawyer...
Mine was trigonometry at the time
“You wanna be with your friends right?” I am Mexican and me and my sister both got this from our counselor. We both took a lot of AP classes. Her more than me. But I just finished my first year of college and when I came back we talked. Both of us were the the only minorities in most classes that we took. Love the video. I believe you also used a clip from “Nice White Parents” there, one of my favorite podcast series.
All of my friends were in non-honors classes. Never got asked this. Interesting...
@@imacds i had no friends and i was pretty aggressively told not to push myself at all
Am white btw for reference
I'm an Eastern European immigrant in France. So here I'm white, even tho in different contexts it's different. Well, basically, I was sent in a private school and not a public school. Yes the private school was less diverse. But I never even noticed it. But my parents didn't send me there because of minorities. But because the public school had more bullying and the teachers didn't care enough. So that can be the problem I think. White people in America for example might segregate not because of them being specially racist but because the minority school has worse teachers and is generally in a worse neighbourhood. So I think that the government should spend way more money to make all public schools really good, especially in bad and poor neighbourhoods which often have ethnic minorities.
@@gamermapper Agreed. Unfortunately our "school choice" advocates try their hardest to defund public schools. Private schools have the advantage of being able to kick out any student they want whether for delinquency, disability, or any other reason really. It is then up to the public schools and taxpayers to clean up their mess, while the private schools get to profit off of the cheaper kids and richer parents.
In Canada we had "enrichment" class. I think you really nailed a part of this right on the head. Being in these classes you would get told about how gifted and talented you are. Sadly, when reality and life set in many of my friends that were in these classes went through some serious depression, and tragically, two even committed suicide. I honestly can't help but think part of this came from the absurdly high level of expectation that was set on them even as far back as the second grade.
It might be a relief to know that research has found the effects of teacher expectations on students are statistically small and short-lived. See Jussim, L., & Harber, K. D. (2005). Teacher expectations and self-fulfilling prophecies: Knowns and unknowns, resolved and unresolved controversies. Personality and social psychology review, 9(2), 131-155.
Probably because teachers are not the ones actually expecting all that much from their students - teachers very often just expect the student to complete the work they assign. Parents and the other adults in the kids' lives have a much bigger impact because they're more familiar and/or they'll keep up the war drum beat a lot longer, leading to deeply ingrained expectations.
We dont have gifted or anything but I was always pretty advanced in school (year ahead, did calc two years ahead). I have always hated myself and never, ever for a second have believed I am gifted or talented beyond at most "slightly above average", but also have always held extremely high expectations for myself. Dropped out of Uni after my motivation just vanished and I tried to commit suicide in January but didn't OD enough to die. I think you're right that expectations make real life very depressing as very few people make it as far as they want and if you've always aimed for the top (or been there in earlier school/feel entitled to it) it hits extremely hard.
@@randomname9723 Reading this was like reading the Choose Your Own Adventure about me and seeing what the other option was. I was right there with ya in the dropping out of uni but I havent felt so depressed to attempt to kill myself again. I wish you the best and hope you can get the support you need to restart or find a new path.
I was in those enrichment classes in high school (I lived in a small town so they weren't available earlier). I also went into suicidal depression into university because I couldn't keep up anymore (I now know I have ADD and the lack of structure really hurt me).
When you're labelled as gifted, you put a lot of your value into your good grades, especially if you have poor self-esteem.
Wow, I remember the line, “Don’t you want to be with your friends.”, every time I wanted to go off track in high school.
The correct response to to glibly reply that you don't have any friends.
The advisor probably wont be aware that the kids who don't have friends are already in the advanced classes.
@@jliller Those aren't mutually exclusive, though.
I'm really curious what goes on in a person's mind when they decide to tell a kid that
@@ericBorja520 Yes.
I was never told that, I was told "you won't even know any of these kids when you're an Adult."
I still frequently talk to and visit those same friends. I always thought the way teachers told me that was rude.
Quick note on the “life skills” and financial literacy classes (I teach both) is many life skills programs are seeing an extreme teacher shortage and thus being closed down, there aren’t many colleges that offer programs to become a home economics teacher so there are far less teachers with the appropriate certification. I also taught financial lit to seniors and it’s really really hard for them to grasp at that age. They just have no relevance to what a salary is so trying to explain a mortgage or taxes just goes in one ear and out the other. I think we need that class either at the end of college or in early adulthood when it makes more sense to our everyday lives
Not all people go to college though in order to have that class.
That is interesting. In my high school days back in the 60s I advocated for a simple life skills class that would teach how to balance a checkbook or create a budget. Either none was available or I was on the academic track and was never offered one. My son had something like that.
@@chancevicary1805 yes I agree with that, I feel like it should be offered to all young adults through a public agency if some kind...but I guess what stops someone these days from watching TH-cam videos in basic life skills? I don’t say scrap it in hs all together, but I think there are softer skills that can be covered in hs and then more advanced skills in young adulthood. I’m 36 and I feel like I’ve grasped only in the past few years how taxes really work!
That’s… yes. Finally. Someone making sense!
I always thought that some life skills should be part of math and maybe social studies class (do they still have social studies?). Practical math. A lot of students who claim to be bad at math are masters of sports statistics and use math in every day life. But a lot of the way that math is taught in school seems abstract.
Man, the older I get the more I learn about how Reagan is really at the center of a lot of the things that suck about modern day US. Crazy that a ton of people consider him the greatest president ever and look for his qualities in new candidates
The people who love him benefit from the systems and customs Reagan put in place, everyone far enough removed from that and has empathy for the (vast majority) of people who are hurt by them fucking hate him
The US had a good economy when he was president, therefore people liked him.
Simple as that.
@@oswaldrabbit1409 If by "good economy" you mean the soaring stock market before the 1987 crash.
Not really him its Willsssson!
He's the conservative version of FDR or Wilson
I can attest to this.
As a child in elementary school the school was ready to label me as “emotionally disturbed” for being disruptive in the general education track, but I got lucky and had parents who advocated for me and fought back. I ended up getting tested and they found out I wasn’t emotionally disturbed, I was “gifted” and just bored.
As an adult man when I reflect back on that, I wonder how many other kids I was in school with who got labeled as disturbed or problematic who were actually “gifted” but didn’t have anyone to speak up for them. Kinda makes me sad.
As a gifted student from the south, I can attest to a lot of this. Our school was probably 60% or so black (public school) and the gifted classes were around 80-90% white. And at least half of the kids in these classes wouldn't have been in there if their parents couldn't afford expensive tutors, and test prep, and all sorts of extra stuff.
That's life. Parents whom are willing to or capable of providing better opportunities for their children's education will reap benefits for doing so
(A Black former honor student whom's parents paid for tutors to get him ahead, and is now doing the same for his daughter)
@@3rdfitzgerald in the UK the Asian's have a saying education education education doctors ect earn good money
My “gifted/AP experience was totally different from what was portrayed in the video. A lot of minorities like me in the system and there was no weekend test or anything. They went by your grades and test scores and all were done in school during school hours, and this was over 10 years ago. I am in California so that might make a difference
@@3rdfitzgerald reap benefits for doing get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead get him ahead
onlycorner Correct, hopefully my decedents live a life I could only dream of thanks to the work I've put in and the work all my progeny will have put in
As somebody who was taught from a “vocational” curriculum because of adhd,
This is correct.
Oh my gosh. That’s horrible. I luckily wasn’t subjugated to that as someone with ADHD. I had to get an IEP but they didn’t force me into classes about how to work in a factory. It’s shocking how different the opportunities people have are.
@@averagejoe6031 i have an iep as well, but bot all who have them are equal.
If you have anything questionable about you behavioural study they’ve done on you, you’d have one.
Some people have it lucky and only have to take one medication, and an easy dose, at a young age, and can end up being able to cope without it by middle school.
Me?
I was taking the dosage of a highschool student when i was in grade 6.... only reason I didn’t take it in highschool is because i refused, after growing to dislike the after effect of the drugs.
But yeah, some kids they just keep an eye on and work with, and by a later point they can adjust.
People further into the severity scale of adhd dont though.
They try their best with, as ineffective us their efforts are,
And by the time highschool ends, we’ve fallen through the cracks.
The lucky ones dont snap from the pressure and drop out by the end.
They can only dump so many resources into making sure somebody can get their marks.
Its as hard for the school as it is for the student in that situation.
They try to modify the work so its on a level we understand, but in turn, we learn way less.
In a way, schools have taken the easy way out,
By “modifying” the curriculum they allow themselves to save those resources they would otherwise need to invest in those same affected students,
But that costs time and money, and only weakens the classist system that was happily set in place by normal minded people.
Its a whole clusterfuck of shit that comes together, all to keep dudes with ADHD down in terms of educational worth.
There are 4 levels of to this classist system, too.
Academic, for the gifted and rich.
Applied, for the blue collar joe.
Voc-1, for the borderline (the worst spot to be because nobody will take you seriously both above and below you),
And Voc-2, for the mentally handicapped.
The highschool i went to ONLY had voc 1 and 2.
Before highschool started, i was essentially spat at by my peers for having to go there, instead of the normal school to take applied classes.
Suddenly the line in the sand was drawn and it was deemed ok to shit on because, well, now there was reason.
Its like suddenly, for lack pf a better comparison, i was black and they were white.
TO THIS DAY i get looked at funny for admitting i went there for 3 years until i dropped out.
It was bullshit, putting up with that,
My anxiety issues,
My severe adhd,
And schoolwork,
Just to get what homie in the video described as a sub par education
Wild part it,
Im actually applying to get my GED right now,
And for once I’ll be on my own,
No bullshit from the school system interfering.
I work at my own pace.
Yeah, im on my own to find the answer,
But thats hows it was dropping out of school too.
Its gonna be hard, but in different ways.
Now i call the shots, and with that, i feel way more confident attempting to tackle the whole highschool diploma thing.
I had a band, and apparently after a discussion i had with a staff member of the board, i can get a credit based on that, towards my diploma.... like yo fuck voc-1.... im out here using my old band from 2014 as a way to graduate, dude.
Im taking the fuck-all worthy passion project i did OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL, pure punk rock ethic shit, and im turning that into something positive.
Im proud of that, i did that for myself, with the help of my friends and bandmates.
Thats bigger than anything any school curriculum could teach me.
I have adhd and dysgraphia, and i was put into a remedial learning class instead of French because I had an iep. Biggest waste of time of my life.
@@Dancingonthesun and thats because they didn’t send you to a school like mine,
Where i went, we didnt have to take the forced french class in grade 9.
Unless you were a catholic,
If you grew up where i did,
You’d have a 98% chance of ending up at that same school.
The plucked kids from all over,
(If you grew up in the gta you know)
You could’ve lived out in brampton, or as far as 5&10, and all the way out across through oakville,
You weren’t safe.
You’d probably end up at west credit if you had an iep and weren’t catholic.
And even then, there was only about 250 people who went there in the 3 years i spent there.
They had to fill them halls and discriminate against us somehow... lol
Might as well make a school instead of leave these kids be and try to put fourth an effort.
Instead it was same shit, different pile
Oooh and we can't forget that IEPs are often ignored, outright by teachers and administration. Oh it's so much fun trying to force a school to respect an IEP...
I went to a "nice white High school" in the suburbs of a well off neighborhood. I also spent a year at a minority-majority school in a working class neighborhood. The differences are shocking and appalling.
@Cassandra Tafoya Same, the socioeconomic problems are huge.
Poor parents don't have the time or money to give the same care to their children. And minorities tend to be poor because of history. Because of that they don't get as good an education and are more likely to stay poor.
Young children that were not raised to act right at home, don't learn it in school grouped with other children like them, and thus never learn.
Those with money want a better education for their children, so move to an area with, or pay for a better schools, which ensures the rich schools stay better, and the poor are further disadvantaged.
There are so many feedback loops and self fulfilling prophecies that it is a very difficult problem to solve even for well meaning people.
@Merula Amethyst But you choose AP classes...
@@marw9541 -- what does that have to do with anything they said?
I went to a like 40% White, 40% Black, 20% other school and it was wonderful. Yes, I lived in probably the wealthiest neighborhood in the district (which still wasn't that wealthy), and graduated in the top 10% of my HS class. But it was a wonderful experience. I'm glad I didn't go to a 80% White school.
Dude how do you do this so well?!! Throughout all my high school years history was by far the most boring useless and interesting pointless subject matter of any of my classes and yet with these videos I could sit and watch these full on interested and learning at the same time for hours. I don’t recall anything I’ve learned from history in high school yet I remember almost every detail of all your videos that I’ve seen so far and believe me I plan to watch them all.
Why do you hate history so much?
@@Demonetization_Symbolan't speak for OP but for me it was the curriculum that was taught. Two months about the colonies, then the industrial revolution, then the civil war, then the gilded age.
Next year, FOUR months about the revolution, the industrial revolution, the civil war, if we timed it right it could also count as our token February Jim Crow lesson, then the gilded age.
Nothing about how it connects to your life today, nothing about the history our parents or grandparenrs lived through. Nothing about the impact we can have on history today. Just "these long dead guys were great, and some of them weren't, but other dead guys fixed that problem forever"
@PrincessNinja007 im still amazed as to how different the US history lessons are compared to western Europe (in my case, the Netherlands)
So I haven't decided if I like 1 hour long video every 6 weeks or 6 videos each 10 minutes long once a week. Eather way nice job
I don't get why it bothers people im ok with either but prefer longer videos. If i need to stop and come back i just do that. Plus it gives more chances for detail and reaching more topics. But thats just my opinion.
I like frequent shorter videos. Depth in anything may seem to call for longer videos, but you could make a series.
3, 20 minute videos a week.
"Exposure breeds tolerance" well there's your problem. A scary amount of people don't want tolerance of anyone different than them. :(
Sadly trur
True*
THIS!
I don’t agree that exposure breeds tolerance. It would be nice but . . .
Rule by the hoard
You missed the inequalities of having to go virtual when you have no internet at home
Edit: or computers/technology et all
My school in a rural area provides free internet and chrome books.
@@kieran.c7684 Not all Rural areas will be able to do the same.
My family member teaches at a community college in New York. She says some students type their essays on cell phones. They don't even have computers.
For the end of last school year when lockdown started, my district was like "don't worry we put wifi in the parking lot"
People didn't have devices... Or cars... Or the ability to sit in a parking lot for 4+ hours a day... but who's keeping track? They told staff just to not grade kids harshly. Ok bud
Many of the parents didn't even know how to sign in when Chromebooks finally got handed out. It was awful. I couldn't go near anyone to help in person, but if I tried to help anyone online or by phone, they didn't have the vocabulary to explain anything they were having issues with and they didn't understand what i was trying to tell them, even though my everyday job is communicating clearly with kids who have language delays. The parents were so stressed out about it, it was terrible
Many gifted kids (hello!) are also mentally disabled in one way or another, and our specific needs can often be ignored or even exacerbated by the pressures of the accelerated track. Excellent video, full of good info!
Yesss. I poured myself into academics not because I cared much, but because it felt like the only thing in my life that I could control... everywhere else in my life I was anxious, depressed, and socially inept.
As a person that is named Patrick, and was in a zoom class meeting while watching this vid, when he yelled "Put it away Patrick" I was scared asf at 0:36
Patrick
Ptrck
Patrick Antetokounmpo. My favorite basketball player
Pa…. Trick!
*Put it away, Patrick.*
Lol when he was pronouncing Wagner wrong, I literally said to myself under my breath "Vagner", only for him to then say "or that it is pronounced Vagner"
Right there with you.
Same. It’s kinda amazing what kinds of things we remember and are expected to know.
Congrats, your a pedant.
Dont worry, so am I.
@@gregathol are you trying to bait your fellow pedants with this comment?
@@juliadonati8245 holy shit no I’m just actually that stupid but I like your version of events better, so yes.
5:58 hits a little hard right now considering Canada just found a mass grave of 215 indigenous children who died at a residential school. Residential schools in Canada were rifle with abuse of all kinds, neglect, poor health care, among the main purpose of "killing the native" culture.
"rifle with abuse"? That sounds like a US school
Residential schools in Canada were more about genocide than education
@@oliviergagnon8719 mainly cultural genocide but yes.
Is it, or is it something alike orphanage mortality
@@2adamast you would have to turn an awfully blind eye to what happened in these places to compare it to mortality rates in orphanages.
These kids weren't orphans, they were well cared for before they were removed. Countless survivors of these institutions have described in great detail the abuses they suffered, and the deaths they witnessed.
I was in gifted and honors classes all throughout school ( until I had to switch to an online program due to my suffering mental health). I was reading at a college level at age 10 and tested extremely well in all subjects. I was also in special ed due to my autism and social anxiety. Not all special ed students are "retarded" or unable to learn as that woman said. Special ed and gifted programs are not mutually exclusive and it is possible to be in both at the same time. A lot of special ed students are actually extremely intelligent.
I was in both special ed and gifted programmes when I was living in the US for two years as a kid as I have ADHD
I'm at roughly 23 minutes in and had a sudden realization: that's why the friggin' public schools are seen as schools for the poor or those who don't want to learn, and private schools are seen as the "better" or "more prestigious" schools where I grew up. Wow. I uh.... hm.
Literally no one sees it that way, the only reason you do is bc youre racist.
Yep, welcome to reality schools often have interesting reputations that aren't well rooted in the truth, though when their funding is dictated like it is in the USA that means it becomes self fulfilling as the funding to the public schools declines compared to the privates. And you're seeing it pushed harder since 2016 thanks to people like DeVos with charter schools.
That's the "popular" opinion, but it seems to be something espoused in popular media rather than the reality. My public school had college dual credit classes but we also had rowdy kids that blocked hallways to socialize in the 7 minutes we had to walk to class and a stabbing and plenty of fights. Private schools just weed out the kids who don't have anything on the line if they do bad things (our school stabber came back before the end of the year after he made parole, and no he wasn't white)
@@sparkyUSA1976 Sucks your parents raised you somewhere shitty, you have my sympathies
@@marw9541 you just proved everyone's point 👉🏽
This video reminded me of how throughout Middle and Highschool we would have standard, honors, and advanced honors classes. The funny thing was that the same basic things were taught to everyone and the kids in the honors classes simply got an additional 3 points added to thier grade towards the end of the year while standard students did all the same work and received nothing. What's sad is that the students that's were placed in the honors and advanced honors were always the same kids and we never got to interact much with the students in the standard classes. When I graduated I didn't recognize any of the students that were sitting arround me even though we had attended the same school for years.
Wow. Sounds like a company offering the exact same job as 'entry level', 'Level II', and 'Senior' or something, but different wages for each. In both cases, they might put each of those jobs or classes in different tracks so no one is promoted into the next level of the same job.
Yours is much different than mine was. I was in the "advanced" classes, and my friend was in the "regular" classes. We would joke about how he has it so easy. I was jealous of him at the time because only occasionally had homework, and I had homework all the time. His tests for the various subjects were so easy that he hardly ever had to crack a book (he could just pay attention in class) and float by with fairly easy B's. It was definitely not that way for my classes. We would occasionally compare and contrast our classes, but not too much honestly. And his classes were pretty basic. I don't know how it is in other schools, but that's how it was for mine.
Mine was a minority-majority school, and our graduation rate was horrible. There's no reasonable way to assume that if "regular" classes were more challenging, that more people would have graduated, and there's no reasonable argument as to why it would have been a good thing to not give the "advanced" kids a challenge by placing them in "regular" classes. Schools sure as hell aren't going to raise their standards overall, because that would mean less kids graduate.
So, I'm honestly not sure what the solution is. Raising overall standards would be a good thing, but that has played out in various places, and it inevitably ends with lawsuits and complaints over lack of equity in terms of graduation rates. If you're not going to raise standards, and you don't want the hardworking or "smart" kids to suffer due to lack of challenge, then you're left with...honors or advanced classes.
Then you look around the make-up of each tier. Seriously, I was in an honors class for a few years. 2 black kids, 3 hispanic kids, 2asian kids, and everyone else was white. +80% black school.
@@adamrad2220 Same I did take some "regular" classes in highschool, but it was legitimately just students running the classroom, and basic tests I would have glossed over in 5th Grade.
Meanwhile my AP classes were some of the hardest I ever had, including 4 years of electrical engineering.
There is a serious socioeconomic divide, and while it is perpetuated by racism and classism, by the time the damage is done it has a very real impact on how even a playing field students start and end on.
@@adamrad2220 Shit man I feel so bad for you.
In the heat of my Cali. school years, I worked through stepping into someone's shoes and out of both the "honor" and "regular" classes.
In my last years of Middle school the Honors Science and Science teachers would teach similar subjects but once in a lifetime only got to the same subject just put extra questions to paste few extra points. Same for one of my class, English Honors which not only read the same books but put with "advance" questions while the "regular" classes get to do the easy ones or what the teacher assigns.
In my freshman of HS regular classes and honor classes would be in the same subject just taught differently. Like when second semester started and I had Geomentry our class was a week ahead then anyone else and guess after 4 months in (3 term), WE'RE STILL AHEAD OF THEM; however in all seriousness, it was only the subject of math every freshman students came together. Though it was the only because math teachers get to give out the same worksheets but teach differently. In my HS of other english teachers, they would teach it accordingly to their own ways of answering the question instead of teaching how to solve the comprehensive questions.
Or that could just be my HS and not anywhere else.
"Parents will hire private tutors for children as young as grade 1."
My friend is a HIGHLY sought after private tutor who typically teaches high school curriculum, including helping students prepare for university applications. Her youngest student is 3-years old! To prepare the kid for kindergarten entrance interviews and exams.
The fuck
"Kindergarten entrance interviews and exams"
Holy shit
wow great anecdote
I bet that 3 year old will grow up to have good mental health and a flourishing social life
@@joedubner5846 They can and do. I don't get where people have this idea that if you make your kid study more than the basic school requirement he'll lose mental health or social skills.
I am so glad you made this video. I was one of few black students in my gifted programs growing up and the very barriers you mentioned for minorities to enter gifted education are things I witnessed and advocated against in high school. There were many classmates I was on parr with at my predominantly minority elementary school but they did not take the test and it put us on different trajectories meanwhile everybody else in my new program came from the white affluent areas of the county. In fact my mother found out the GT test existed due to her previous domestic work in those areas when she first migrated here. Im glad to say I was able to help get universal GT testing in the 3rd grade adopted in my county. With that said, you are right about the negative psychology that comes with being labeled as gifted and a bunch of other factors, which are particularly exacerbated when you are one of few minorities in the programs. There is nuance in everything.
In Canada, curricula has changed to exclusively teach "why" rather than "how". Both are important in order to most accurately educate the next generation.
Same in the United States.
If "why" is already being taught in class, than that would be indoctrination
@@cv4809 How is that indoctrination?
@@IkeOkerekeNews lol no. The best example I can think of to illustrate that you’re wrong is how math is taught: math isn’t taught in US schools by discussing mathematic philosophy in conjunction with the practical application of mathematic formulas. Mathematics are instead taught here by throwing a bunch of formulas at students and telling them to memorize them.
It’s not the same at all.
@@zenleeparadise i actually learn mathematic philosophy and i'm in the US! i guess it changed here too, at least in certain states.
"Parents will enroll kids in private tutoring as early as first grade..."
Me: *sinks sheepishly into the corner
When he got to that bit about how black students are discouraged from taking high-level courses I had to look back. When I wanted to sign up for all AP and Honors courses, my counselor kept pushing saying I'd have "too much homework all the time". When I was looking to graduate with a 4.1 GPA, 4s and 5s on all my AP Exams, and a 33 on my ACT, he recommended me to my local Community College.
I'm so glad I knew he was full of shit from the beginning.
Why are you feeling bad about parents having the financial means to better your education? That's an amazing thing.
That is already late news, many start at the age of 2-3
Me a "Hopefully"(Trying to get on SSI) disabled person who would have been a middle school dropout if it was not for homeschooling. I felt threatened when he was acting like he wanted to cancel homeschooling because of the 92% do it wrong. And for the record I took the FCAT a Florida mandated grade exit exam and got a real degree a few years late but still.
I teach ballet to 1rst graders for a living 👏. It honestly feels mean to make a first grader sit through academic tutoring after school if they're not actually having trouble. 😭😭
Like, you can't help them with their homework yourself ? Sounds like a great way to put them off the whole idea of school lol. I dont know a single 6 year old, who's NOT already struggling in school who would appreciate academic tutoring 😂😂
Teaching has been my entire career and I knew about 10% of this.... Now I know better. Thank you!
As a phd student of education policy, I can say this is EXCELLENT. Much better than some of the essays by my peers that I've read.
Regarding standardized tests- my state mandated everyone take the ACT as part of the 11th grade standardized testing, and I got a 27 (out of 36) my first time around. I took the test in April, got the results in July, and re-took the test in August. 2nd time around I got a 31. There's no way I became "1/9 smarter" in a matter of 4 months, I just prepared more.
No...did you even watch the video? I gave personal experience that backs up what KB is citing. These tests don't test how smart you are, same with IQ tests. It's a bad indicator.
I didn't even touch on the fact that I'm a white dude from a nice, well off, small town. It cost money to get the study material. It cost money to retake the test. I had to work less so I could study more, which I could afford because my job was just for my own spending money- my parents completely took care of me.
The poorer black kids in the closest "big" city wouldn't have had the same luxury as me. That doesn't mean I worked harder or was smarter, I had better opportunities because of where and how I was born.
@David Lightman Race and class are deeply intertwined, and that is not by accident. Just because there are poor white communities does not disprove that. You're just proving that the "woke garbage" of this video is correct.
I mean, the ACT and other standardized tests test how good you are at studying. To do well on one of them, really nothing is needed other than doing practice tests and going over them.
When I was in middle/high school, I did a whole lot of math competitions. I loved math and studied for them. One thing I learned was that no matter how good your math knowledge is, you're not going to do well if you don't study for that specific test. You can know all of the individual subjects that are going to be on the test but if you don't practice with actual problems from said test, there's only so well you can do.
While I don't think that these tests are measuring intelligence, I do think that they're measuring how willing you are to putting effort into studying for these tests. Some could argue that that is an equally useful skill and important if you go onto higher education. I don't know.
@David Lightman Fighting the good fight sir. I came to these comments looking for someone with a little bit of sanity because when I reached the end of this video I could not believe it wasn’t a hoax. I‘ve never seen knowing better take such an obvious stance in anything and it’s rather scary
@David Lightman "Poor people don't learn skills" lmao. Sounds like someone hasn't been poor. Poor people learn the skills necessary to survive being poor.
I like this format. I'm not even angry at the well-placed ads. Feels....natural.
Yeah. That was pretty well done
This was very eye opening. My daughter was in the gifted program when we lived in Mississippi. She was the one of only 3 black children in a school where the majority of students were black.
When we moved to Washington state we were told she didn't qualify anymore, but refused to show us any test scores.
Move forward to highschool and I constantly have to fight with counselor to get her into AP classes (it was the same with honors). Even though she was taking highschool classes in middle school and exceeds the GPA requirements. This is at a DODEA high school.
I think middle school was the only time I didn't have to fight all the time for her to take classes at her level. Just trying to give her the best education we can as we can't afford private school.
crazy how im listening to this willingly just because I’m bored yet in my own social studies classes i just stare out the window wishing i was literally anywhere else the whole time not paying attention at all.
I normally never comment before watching a video, but honestly, the prospect of FINALLY getting a clear breakdown of what the US school system is instead of the generally simple "US School Bad" is amazing. I'm looking forward to the video, more than usual.
Me too, especially as a German. Here, "American Education" is basically a meme. :|
@@fr0nzp Oh so how like the Berlin Airport from that one Wendover Productions video is a meme. Also in Germany do you do standardized testing?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 legit no idea what you are saying
@@fr0nzp Honestly, even here it's a meme
well the US school system still sucks
I sent my 6 kids to public schools. In a small, working class community. It was the best decision I ever made for them. 5 out of 6 have earned university degrees and all of them are successful in their chosen careers. I believe that a healthy public education system is the cornerstone of a healthy democracy.
This video is old and this comment might go unread, but just want to tell you that I’ve been watching your videos and they have been helping me construct a mental foundation, not only for myself, but for my son. He is only a year and a half old right now. I never planned on having a kid at 30. Every night I keep myself up and stress myself out about being a good parent and raising this kid to be an honest and caring person. Your videos are reminding me of a lot of feelings I already have about the world and reinforcing what I know, deep down, is right. Thank you for helping me reassure myself.
As a white male who just recently graduated from a rural, minimally diverse high school, I saw an alarming amount of tie-ins to this video. I'd say there wasn't much discrimination for gender during my education. Honor societies were 75%+ female, same with the number of 4.0 gpa students. However, racially, you hit the nail on the dime. GPA and teacher recommendations determined wether or not you were in honors. (every single teacher of mine has been white, with one exception, who was Asian) Honors classes were filled with white kids who's parents all attended parent teacher conferences and sent their children with gift baskets for the teachers, unlike the generally more impoverished minority students. Which meant that even though over 25% of our districts students were Hispanic, there were rarely more than three in any of my honors classes. Amazing video as always KB, I hope this changes people's perspective as much as it did mine.
It sounds like you problem has nothing to do with the race of the kids. The problem is the culture of certain groups not having the parental support they need. This isn’t a problem that just affects black people of Latino people but any person of any race or gender without a good nuclear household
Yes, but due to historic economic unfairness towards minorities that means that it disproportionally affects them. Saying it's a culture issue, not a systemic issue is kind of a dog whistle, sorry.
@@game_go_burrr Refusal to consider the cultural angle only makes things worse for more kids who will lack stable 2-parent households, and therefore lack an environment that's conducive to good education and moral behavior. It has been conclusively proven that kids in single-parent households are more likely to drop out of school and more likely to commit crimes. And it's not only black culture that should change in America. White American culture is now heavily gripped by narcissism, performative outrage, and style over substance that is making an embarrassment of us all, and allowing more and more issues to fester as people like you are distracted by nonsense that doesn't matter. We must solve problems, not spout platitudes.
@@Morrigi192 did you even watch the video? I'm not saying culture doesn't have anything to due with it, but I feel like you're just trying to pin the problem on nothing so you can avoid a reality check. Sure white households have problems, but are you really so ignorant as to say that racial discrimination isn't as big of a deal as white narcissism?
The whole point is that white families in my area have a culture of being more involved in their kid's education, they can only do this, because they can take time off their jobs and have the income to send their child with things to pamper their teachers. That's a culture, but it's one rooted in income and knowing English, something that means it's heavily stacked against the prominent Hispanic community in my area.
I don’t usually comment on TH-cam videos, but I have to on this one. This was an incredible video! The zoom meeting jokes were great! Extremely creative! Very educational! Not the most fun and happiest topic, but it’s very important info presented in an entertaining way!
I remember in grade school and high school they gave us those tests that basically chose what career is best for you.. and on all the tests it said I would be a good potter and or a good food handler... Anywhos I’m in law school now so I can tell you this system is fucked
Edit: was also put in a class for Bilingual kids... The problem is I didn't speak a second language at that time. and two I didn't and don't have any speech disorders. I didn't understand this at all because I was the only one there with English as my primary language and other fellow Hispanic students who spoke less English than me were not in this class? I can't tell if I was a victim of racism or a victim of poor paperwork (or both)
This comment makes my day.
Whoever cant manage stem or dont have guts to take risks gouse to law.. Congratulation
@@damianpos8832 Dumb comment is dumb.
I remember those career predicting tests. They were more psychological than aptitudinal, and all they predicted was what type of job you'd be happiest doing, not what you would be good at.
Who gives a shit about those tests? It obviously didn’t force you into that line of work. I can’t believe your mad about aptitude tests. Plus, you still may flunk out of law school or be a shitty lawyer.
I think you should do a more in-depth video on homeschooling, I'm fascinated how deep that rabbit hole goes.
As a non-American who took the ACT I always found it strange that it claims to measure college-readiness. I basically just looked up what comes on it and studied that I basically never needed to apply any form of reasoning. Even on the reading sections, the test was so short that you basically had to just learn to scan the passage and puc out facts. I feel like it's more of a race than an exam I feel like if they had more emphasis on content it would be easier to give more time and since the content is more fixed it's easier to ask questions that involve critical thinking. Applying the content you know
Standardized testing in American was intentionally designed to gatekeep poor (and most often non-white) students from entering college. Public schools do NOT prepare their students to take these exams. They do not have specific classes available in their core curriculum that teaches students how to effectively take those tests. Instead students are encouraged to take extra private schooling on course specifically meant for SAT/ ACT prep. This obviously creates a gap where students from rich families who could afford extra schooling fare way better than students who's family can not afford to do so.
if i had a dollar ever time i saw someone post..im autistic and gifted... id be a rich person. lol
@@h.s.lafever3277 Huh?
@@h.s.lafever3277 this comment doesn't say anything related to your comment, did you get lost perhaps?
The most chilling part is to hear Ayn Rand justify her cruelty with such eloquence
What cruelty? She is just saying the truth. Intellectually disabled people have a learning disability. It is better to invest in those with higher learning powers who can do more for the rest of society
Being labeled gifted fucked me up, now I barely pass because I was told for years and years I was special so when it got hard, i didn't know what to do
Imagine how difficult it would be to be even dumber with the same level of motivation.
Same. In my second semester of college, I took Chem I. I really, really struggled with the material. That hadn’t ever happened to me before, so I got super depressed, to the point where I stopped taking all medications I was prescribed at the time, and stopped going to all my classes. I ended up failing most of my classes that semester (including Chem). I passed after retaking all the classes I failed, tho!
It’s a problem of your parents not making you well rounded. I hate seeing this take. I was involved in baseball from an early age and classified as gifted about as early. School was never hard, but I worked incredibly hard to be a pitcher. Past high school, I got my degree in physics and computer science, never played a game of competitive baseball past my last playoff game in high school where I got rocked by the other team. You probably never did anything else with your life and experienced failure, maybe my gifted teacher was special, but he pushed us into uncomfortable situations where we were destined to fail. Art, music, Rube Goldberg machines are what we did under him, and we failed quite often. You fucked up because you cruised, not because you were labeled gifted. Your lack of ambition for anything great failed you.
Yes that's known problem for precocious children. You're better off teaching kids the importance of hard work, NOT that they are intelligent.
For me it was the opposite. I remember I did the test for the Gifted and Talented program when I was in 2nd grade and I failed it. It really did a number on my self-esteem. Even at that age it really made me doubt myself. Even now at 31 I constantly underestimate myself.
Fun fact, the Washington state constitution is the only state constitution that declares education as a right (Article 9, Section 1)
Sure wish it wasn't terrible too, because it is. School was the worst experience of my life. It felt like a prison here.
@@cortster12 well that’s a whole another story though. Education is important but I’m sure we can all agree that the public school system and higher education can use some fixing for sure. This is why I joined the Washington Student Association in college so I can lobby the state gov to make higher education more equitable and cheaper for all!
I find it ridiculous that people are claiming "low reading levels" as a reason to oppose integrated schools, if they themselves aren't trying to maximise their literary skills.
When I was in elementary school, I was--and still am--an avid reader. I loved reading so much that I was the kid with the highest AR score, AR being the Advanced Reading program. I excelled in my English class and actually helped my classmates with their reading skills.
However, everything changed as soon as the school found out that both my parents are from Mexico. They immediately placed me in ESL which stands for English Second Language. They did not take into account how well I was doing in class and assumed I would need extra help with learning English.
I spent several days after school in ESL until the teacher noticed that I was reading books labeled for middle school readers.
In France we have something called "sector schools". Every city is divided into several public education sectors where you (a student) are "by default" pushed to be join. For example in my sector they were 2 primary schools, 1 middle school and 3 high schools. Of course you can choose to go outside of your sector, but your parents have to make more administrative things and because of the distance it's often not worth it. This system has his flaws (for example if you want to study a foreign language that isnt teached in any of your sector schools), but it's just... normal, and it's the same in many european countries. And today I've been very surprised to learn that the american far-right (like anything slightely state controlled thing for more equality) is criticizing the equivalent of this system in the US
What is opinion of French public regarding banning of home school(particularly for religious families) and even jailing parents for not sending them for public school? It seems authoritarian along with banning women clothing like Hijab etc.
@@zainmudassir2964 well, the recent hidjab ban was for different reasons. But for what concerns home schooling it's simple. Contrary to (some) americans, we are not always sceptic about every new law. We don't want to absolutely know where exactly our taxes go, because we know that obviously they are used for education, healthcare and stuff. And we don't see every governmental regulation as a "threat to liberty". The homeschool ban was banned because it would be used only to teach things that would not have been teached at school, meaning subjective or biaised informations. And indeed, the only people who protested against it were radical religious organizations, who would have used homeschooling to brainwash kids. We live in a democracy, our education system in France is far from being the best, but he does its job in teaching basic education. They are still private schools if parents want their kids to have religious classes or if they want to learn regional languages. Kids can also go to religious classes outside of the school but only if it's not in the school time. For example I went to a christian teaching one time a week during middle school on the day where we didnt have class on the afternoon. So the ban of homeschooling isnt "autoritarian", it's just normal and justified
@@zainmudassir2964 teachers go to school to become teachers for a reason random parents are not qualified to teach it would be unfair for the child to get a crappy education and get left behind in life just because of their parents
French here, and a minority. While what you describe is true, the problem is still the same. France has a long history of its own segregation-like behaviors. Entire neighborhoods were built to accommodate at first single migrant workers from former colonies and then their families, needed to rebuild France post WWII essentially separating them from white French people. This resulted until now in schools that are effectively segregating kids based on their origins and socioeconomic backgrounds. It was a deliberate choice as (former) colonies and their populations were second class citizens: creating value for France, without enjoying any of the rights it afforded it metropolitan citizens.
I grow up in a city that was composed of a poorer neighborhood and a richer one, separated by a long road with shop in between (just like the city centers and suburbs in the US). The graduation rates between the schools in the different neighborhoods was (and still is) incredibly unbalanced, so was the racial composition of the schools. Add to that the fact that funding for school is in a significant part financed by municipalities (although it varies by the level of education) and you end up in a system where poor neighborhoods do get less resources, even with extra help from the government. The reasons could be translated to the French situation almost directly. While the specifics are different, the underlying problem is similar: decades of deliberate policy to separate populations and a lack of investments in solutions to bring equity (and not equality) to a problem created by the state.
@@Made_In_Syria Marseille?
Me reading while ignoring Ayn Rand is such a mood.
I agree. Her ideas are interesting but that way of thinking gives a pass to people being assholes to other people unfortunately.
@@ilikecookies230 Exactly. Rand and other Libertarian thinkers make sense on a very basic level, but they think too much in Utopian perspectives. If we all started from 0 and there were no difference in circumstances at all, of course the idea that every man and woman standing on their own two feet, no cooperation whatsoever would be responsible for their own success or failure. But we don't live in a book, and we all can be considered slaves to circumstance in a way.
Ignoring Ayn Rand?
Ignoring Rand has helped so much in my life.
When. I knew my brother was the one with mental health issues when he suggested I read the fountainhead. Nope I'm good. My time is too precious.
My grandma was in college at the university of Wisconsin during the 1930s, she became a speech pathologist and lived a very independent, progressive life. But she WANTED to be a doctor. She was one of the lucky women to be highly educated but society valued her differently.
I was pulled out of Chicago public schools just after starting 3rd grade. No real reason has ever been given. My mom will give me a different excuse every time I ask her, but it wasn’t for religious reasons (I was the only person in the house who went to church). Out of 4 kids who were “homeschooled”*, I was the only one to get a GED and go on to college and get an associates degree. So yeah, homeschooling isn’t a great idea.
*our version of “homeschooling” was being given outdated books with no instruction and left alone at home while my parents worked. So basically I spent a decade at home, on the couch, eating all the chips and cereal I could get away with, and doing almost ZERO schoolwork. We were kept inside the house because my parents thought if the neighbors saw us, they’d call cps. The only good to come of that mess was that a decade of isolation really prepared me for Covid lockdowns 😅
"Ralph, was a H O M O S E X U A L
- film from the 50s
1961, but yeah lol, that was pretty funny for me
I’ve seen that video. Just swap out the word “homosexual” with pedophile and it’s actually pretty accurate
I don’t know why but edgy humor made that video funny to me
Basically, the education system in the U.S. or any other country reflects the prejudices and power dynamics of that country.
Every institution of a country is a cog in the machine of a country.
But somehow, glorious communist countries are exempt.
Still waiting on the Knowing Better video about myths associated with leftist rewrites of history.
Its the funniest joke us humans have told each other is that were worthy of our species or our education means shit. Its all just ape shit
Yeah. It is ideological justification. Humans ain't special.
y'know, GATE being Ayn Rand's fault makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
Let's not forget the US government also wanting to prepare elite bureaucrats during the cold war
And then GATE classes teaching Ayn Rand in middle school (I don't know if that also happens in regular ed but it is pretty ironic either way)
I was the most gifted math student in my class. I went an entire year in precalculus literally only missing 2 problems all year but couldn't afford my own rides to calculus at the jc so....... rip. I eventually became an mathematician at almost 40, too old to do my best work. That is an extremely abbreviated version as much happened afterwards, but that was the start of a downward spiral of being the smartest kid in the room to needing drug detox and a new life. Never let anyone tell you that only stupid, useless, and lazy people do drugs. I was the only guy in the corner reading books, getting up and going back and forth to my menial job and doing math AND doing drugs in between........ Nobody asked me about it though and nobody explained to me how to communicate my thoughts until much later. Nobody really cared. Keep in mind this was all before broadband internet. I have not met many who are compelled to learn as strongly as I am, so I guess that Rand was talking about people like me. Her system values kids like me and then craps on kids like me.
“Her system values kids like me and then craps on kids like me” this, except my story is flipped. I’m exhausted and I just want to reclaim education for *me.* Not anyone else. No performance bullshit. Just pure curiosity and fun. Humans thrive on curiosity and we’ve somehow managed to build a system that beats it out of children.
I love how shitty the special ed program still is... I was diagnosed with ADHD in like second grade and put in special ed in sixth, and it wasn't until half way through my senior year that I learned what that actually even meant. I was under the assumption that it meant exactly what it said on the tin, just trouble focusing and staying still when in actuality the main symptom is an inability to regulate your emotions. For all of my scholastic career I was left fighting my inability to pay attention to my work head on, utterly failing to make any progress towards productivity because I didn't even understand what I was actually fighting. But at least I had the rest of my senior year to at least try to figure out a system that would work for me, and eventually I even figured out that I could work a lot better in the school library, and in February 2020 I was even starting to get caught up on a lot of my classes. I still had a lot of work to do, as I was still failing, but so long as I could count on returning to the library to work on my over due and upcoming assignments, I would graduate on time...
I was looking for a comment similar to my experiences! I was put in special Ed in first grade due to behavioral problems. I'm also ADHD an a few other diagnosis. The system truly failed me.
Looking back at my middle and high school years kids that were special needs were all in the back portables and they were treated like convicts and just passed along grades , now I feel so bad for them we didn't bully them or anything because we were forced bus to integrate the majority white school so we were treated just as bad as the kid's in the portables. I would never let my kids go to public/political school.
@@irvin5839 what you seem to lack here, as no one has agreed with you, is a wider perspective on this issue: Your experience isn't the only experience that has ever happened bruh, and in order for your own healing to begin, you need to try and understand that other perspectives and experiences exist. Then, and only then, can you start looking at life with love instead of selfishness.
@stacyfiske7903 it's my experience that I related I wasn't looking for agreement, I've raised 2 kids successfully by my self and given the tools to go out in this world not looking for someone to agree with them on any social media platform now when you have walk in my shoes and experience my life and raised a family on your on with the odds against you then you can comment. Have a nice day .
I was halfway through my senior year the first time I heard about executive functionig and how I don't have it. There were two whole years I never learned the names of my facilitators because I never saw them
Quitting my job at the local school district was probably one of the best decisions i've made so far.
Same with me ...R.N.
Could you Tell why?
@@Verspassungsschutz the lack of a coherent response to the pandemic.
"Exposure breeds tolerance". There are, unfortunately, many people who don't want their children being tolerant.
When I was a kid we were all taught tolerance is important. Now the goal posts have moved a bit though, tolerance is no longer acceptable and we must graduate to acceptance. I get it, our kids will grow up to be more accepting, but what comes with that is the villainization of tolerance. Tolerance is no longer good enough, and if that's all you can muster, you're the enemy. Very interesting to watch.
Exposure can just easily breed intolerance. The idea is sound, the methods have to be too.
What some call tolerant, others call degenerate. I propose that as long as there is civility, one does not need tolerance. If tolerance and complacency can share a drink at a bar among thieves, then civility was the guy shot in the alley.
And three people responding to me have proven my point.
@@kazimierzliz8280 People who react to being exposed to new ideas and people with intolerance tend to have been exposed to less diversity when they were growing up. Intolerance and inflexibility aren't caused by change, they are responses that can be reduced by more diversity at a younger age.
As a millennial, you are spot on about memorization vs process teaching.
Common core math seemed so wrong to me at first, but after really looking at it, I’m upset that I didn’t learn it that way as a kid. I still feel like my brain is wired to see math as plugging numbers into memorized formulas instead of really understanding processes
After just graduating from high school this year, I can say this video connects the dots of the serious issues I've seen and opened my eyes to issues I didn't even know existed.
I remember my grandmother literally describing to me how her parents had to sign a contract saying they'd never sell to black people.
What's wrong with that?
@@dragma907 It is completely racist : in several country, something like this is illegal since one or two centuries.
@@dragma907 You don't see what's wrong with not being able to sell your house to the highest bidder because they're black? If I'm selling, and they've got the funds, no one should be able to tell me who I can take money from.
Legality isn't morality, why is it wrong to prefer living among people like you?
@@dragma907 people who are black aren't different from you.
Ayn Rand's callousness, 'moral' selfishness, and stupidity will always shock me despite how proliferated her toxic world view is in the US.
@Vladimir Putin thats pretty ironic, putin
@Vladimir Putin At least Max Stirner was honest about that when it came to his beliefs. But there was actually more nuance to his "egoism".
I remember being absolutely appalled and nauseated by her when we were forced to read Anthem in high school. Even at the time, I thought her writing was stilted and contrived, and the story was just kind of stupid. As I’ve gotten to know more about Rand and her “philosophy,” those feelings have only strengthened. She was a narcissistic pseudo-intellectual, and her writing isn’t even on par with the Dan Brown’s of the world. She appeals to emotional cripples who don’t want to grow up and recognize that they live in a society with history that they depend on more than they could possibly ever give back.
Ultimately, we all serve ourselves one way or another
@Nicholas Seamans Jordan Peterson doesn't espouse anything remotely like Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy. People who mock Jordan Peterson tend to be people who are told about him rather than people who have listened to him.
Loved this video, I was briefly thrust into a teaching position at a private special ed school outside NYC, and it seems to me like the "children are bussed out of the city not into it" still holds true. I was also a "doubly exceptional" or whatever gifted kid in a private school growing up, and tbh none of the therapy or extra test time or requirements to single myself out by checking in with each teacher seemed to help me at all. And the honor classes seemed to be moving at exactly the same speed as the normal one, but instead of being taught explicitly we were expected to "figure it out". I got high ACT and SAT scores, but only because I attended weekend courses where we just took them over and over again. I wish school was about learning and not being pitted against each other tournament style to see who comes out on top and will be recruited to the best Uni, and get the best job.
As someone who was homeschooled:
Literally everything you presented is accurate.
I think a lot of that has to do with the reasons parents choose to homeschool. Like, we homeschool, but when I meet other parents who do so for "religious" reasons, I find I don't have a lot in common with them, despite being religious myself. We homeschool for very different reasons.
@D. F. Yeah it just depends a lot on personal learning style I think. My younger sister absolutly loves Homeschooling and got better in all her subjects whereas my brother and I just got stressed out and got worse grades then we've ever had before. But my sister also learns quite different to us, we both learn more listening to a teacher after going to a seperate place. She just likes to be more flexible with time and content with the added bonus of staying in her room where she can concentrate better
Edit: Countries I have lived in do require that permanently homeschooled students take tests to show they are at least on the same level as regularly educated pupils in the same age group are
@D. F. I feel the same way. On the one hand, I learned how to teach myself, which is probably the most valuable skill I have. On the other, I learned the Earth is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old and that Christopher Columbus was a hero. :-/ My mom was an elementary school teacher who quit to teach my sister and myself full time, so we actually received a pretty reasonable education for things that didn't conflict with hardcore evangelicalism. But the lack of regulation is scary and who knows? Maybe I would have been an evolutionary biologist if I had learned actual science growing up. (for the record, I did fine, have a great life and job, not religious anymore, and try to keep learning constantly. Things turned out all right for me.)
my high school was closed because of "low test scores" (eh-hem, bullshit) and was turned in to a charter school with even lower performance, smh, and the organization/company that ran it was under FBI investigation at one point
Charter Schools is the worst bullshit!
“ It’s only a week until finals” as a Canadian let me tell you that I’ve always been envious that your school ends a month before ours
I have been out for over 2 weeks.
@@paisleepunk damn
@@paisleepunk I am still in school lol.
Well it’s dependent on where you are. I know schools tend to get out in AZ in May but when I was in WA they usually got out in June (keeping in mind that we didn’t just have a longer summer in AZ, us getting out in May meant we started school in August whereas school started in September while I was in WA)
I was one of the very few students in my middle school (located in jamaica, Queens) that took the SHSAT. I was under the impression that it was a mental aptitude test and that studying would do little to improve your score (This was later reinforced by some random SAT tutor in high school). I didn't study and my score wasnt even close to one of the only students to get in. I'll admit I was a pompous 13 year old before the test but that score made me feel so inferior. To make matters worse, I attended a high school really close to stuyvesant and I would constantly dream about what my life would be like if i passed that test. Now I realize that it didn't really matter and that im glad to have gone to my high school because of the friends I still have today.
as an honors/gifted kid, just watching the intro, I can say that's basically true. School came easy so I never learned how to study and now college be kicking my ass
Ask for help! I turned down the offers of tutoring and study skills because of pride and “I’ve always been able to get good grades, my way is fine...” Not realizing how unprepared I was for actually difficult academics. I lost all my scholarships and floundered for decades trying to figure out how I had fallen so low from the pedestal public school placed me on. Trying to figure out what you want and need from life when your whole life you’re told “be a doctor, be president, you’re bound to succeed!” can be discouraging. Stick with your classes; finish everything! Even if you don’t pursue that track, all knowledge helps broaden your world and illuminates your possible paths to your future.
PS it’s okay to fail! Pick yourself up and try again. Don’t pick the sure path out of fear of not measuring up.
@@nightfall3605 yeah thanks dude! I’m slowly learning and getting better at all that and wow it takes a lot of experimentation to find what works best
My biggest piece of advice as a lazy honors/AP student but mostly successful college grad is to find a study group. Also, talk with your professors a lot.
Damn, my gifted program was so stressful I have to go to a private school because the assignments were affecting my mental health
As someone who was considered the most inttelligent in the class, same
My daughter is homeschooled but it’s entirely based on her being autistic and my Autistic wife awful memory of the failure of public special education
I was the same.
Schools have a long way to go
that's fair. i would consider the same if i had kids that i thought wouldn't fair well in public ed. the schools can be a torture chamber if you suffer from mental illness.
That's fair, not a lot of schools with good special education programs, and schools that do have good ones are usually in very expensive neighborhoods
You married an autist?
And you thought having a kid with her was a good idea?
Bruh
The way you pronounced "G.C.S.E" sent shivers down my spine...
Geesy-essy
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My sister went to a virtual academy. She has a chronic disorder that keeps her out of school. It was a good choice because she could go to class at home.
"intelligent people who read atlas shrugged" lmao this is just an advertisement
Intelligent people don't read Atlas Shrugged, they subscribe to my TH-cam channel. Duh, you guys.
@@JG_Enigma no they read Telemacus sneezed
@@JG_Enigma No, they read Upton Sinclair.
It's also very, very close to being an oxymoron. It's not quite-- I can imagine an intelligent person reading it to actually see how stupid it is. "An intelligent person who read Atlas Shrugged and thought was good," now that there is an oxymoron.
@@frigginjerk I mean, I'm fairly intelligent and thought it was pretty good. But then, I was also a naive, egotistical teenager at the time, and have since grown out of it.
Honors classes at my school were accessible to everyone, you just signed up for it when picking classes. As long as you kept a passing grade you go to stay in honors classes.
yeah same with AP classes
Can we all not acknowledge that if you barely passed Freshman English with a D, you likely would’ve been aggressively talked out of signing up for Honors English the following year, even if the AP/honors classes were technically accessible to everyone? Like even if they don’t literally make you take a test or something at a given school (though at some this is definitely a requirement? there’s still walls put up for certain people to prevent them from accessing these classes.
I don’t understand why everyone in this comment section is being so deliberately obtuse about this and pretending that these classes could’ve been taken by literally anyone and everyone. It’s just so obviously not true.
@@zenleeparadise what? There aren’t any walls. I went to school in Texas, one of the most conservative states in the nation. If you got a failing grade in a honors class, you were forced to go into an on level course. Other wise there was no barrier to being in higher end classes. There wasn’t any kind of entrance test or anything like that, you just signed up for honors classes. There weren’t limited seats either, They just created more honors classes if it was necessary. Maybe your the one being obtuse about it. If everyone in the comment section is saying the same thing than maybe, just maybe that’s how things are.
@@k-popistrash8974 I didn’t say anything about it being a conservative-state issue, my guy. If you’ve always been a good student maybe you don’t understand this, but if you nearly failed Freshman English, literally every single adult who had any say in the matter would’ve been aggressively advocating for you to not sign up for an AP class, even if it was technically an option. If you’re unwilling to recognize this it’s either because you’re being obtuse or because privilege is blinding you. You literally didn’t directly respond to a single thing I said.
@@zenleeparadise I’m assuming this is a personal antidote and there is nothing wrong with it. If you almost failed freshman English it probably wouldn’t be great for you to take AP classes, that’s not discrimination that’s common sense.
Ironically, in my high school, the classes for gifted kids were called “Honors”, while the classes for not-gifted kids were called “College”.
He neglects to count Asians as a huge part of gifted programs though. Kinda defeats the narrative
@@stevencooper4422 he did talk about Asian students,did you not watch the video ?
I don't find it too surprising, Angus... college comes from "collegium", the group where everybody "reads" (studies) things in common (or if you want "as colleagues").
The whole naming convention thing is meddled up anyway as a lot of "colleges" are actually called university (and the other way round, Oxford University in Great Britain has a lot of sub faculties that are called College... so it's not universal and has never been. A lot like some regions having only primary and secondary school while others have primary middle and high school. which may mean different curricula or just traditional naming while the same sort of curriculum is taught.
@@fierrect6089 Indeed he does. He mentions how they study early and hard for standardized tests, then become disproportionately successful. It undermines KB's narrative about "structural racism", so he doesn't dwell on it.
@@Ugly_German_Truths Actually my guidance counselor explained to me that the school rebranded them that way so that they sounded more prestigious and promoted higher education. They used to be called "Business". Thanks for your interesting info though.
Finding out you were a teacher makes so much sense. I was a Music Education major and my honors thesis was on The Effects of Industrialization on American Education. I saw a LOT of the information I researched in this, including the book "A Nation at Risk". In fact, I own a copy of it.
I currently teach at a brick and mortar K-8 public school. I did my student teaching at my old high school, which was a performing arts high school. It was considered a choice school; there was a GPA requirement and we auditioned on what our major was (I was a band major, vocal minor.) My situation is interesting, however, because I attended the Detroit School of Arts. Although we're in a process of gentrification as more white families are coming back to the city, Detroit is still predominantly black. It's interesting how that changes the way choice schools operate.
I have about 3 minutes left in this video, but I can't wait for your next religion video. Have a nice day everyone.
From my experience, most of the homeschooled people I've known were kept out of public schools either for economic/geographic reasons, or the child was socially inept.
Or the family was Christian.
Most of the homeschooled people in my area grew up with Christian families. Idk how they survived highschool or college being total nice guys/gals, but I draw the line at them being so nice they're basically allowing people to step on 'em. Or be easily offended at what everyone else would have to learn. Idk if this is relevant, but I feel sorry for the sort of people who have to research something like abortion or the legalization of weed for an English project and get yelled at for choosing a "demonic" topic. Side note, the scenario I spoke of actually happened to me. TLDR; it hella sucked and I got a low grade from all the unwanted stress and unwanted help.
What if the school system is just utter garbage?
@@ianlilley2577 catch 21. Either loss of social opportunities or loss of proper learning, both are detrimental to children
@@teteteteta2548 I am a catholic though, so via church I could network and find places and people my kids could socialize with. Also possibly neighborhood kids.
So it wouldn't be much of a loss socializing wise. Possibly beneficial considering how terrible high school can be
I'm noticing an odd pattern of people pointing at my fellow Christians and I am becoming curious. Also some stigma about being dogmatic or "indoctrinated".
Hell, I came out of public school like a normal bloke. "Indoctrination" don't mean jack when you learn more of your religion than your parents and teach them sometimes.
Jesus Christ, flashbacks to being one of 2 black kids in the "Academic" pipeline in my high school in Toronto's suburbs Circa 2010. I still cringe from the amount of self-hate that I expressed because the classes were easy "why couldn't the other black kids get into them? "
That doesn't sound like self hate to me.
That's not self hate?
That's you questioning things, and hopefully drawing your own conclusions.
The pressure that got you in is pressure many other kids don't have. The source of what got you in might be what kept others out.
I'm a homeschool student currently in high school, and I just wanted to clarify - home-schooling parents don't just teach everything from their own knowledge. There are a huge number of curriculums from countless perspectives, and many homeschoolers are part of "co-ops" where people get together for classes. Also, I don't know of any homeschoolers who haven't taken the ACT or SAT.
It may be true that some people homeschool irresponsibly and use it as a way to shelter their kids from the world, but I think that homeschooling can also be done well.
I was homeschooled from age 16-18(suicidal depression) and yes, KB does a disservice to homeschooling. In my case there was a network of other homeschooling teachers(many of whom were former teachers) and curriculum wasn't much different from what my public school friends were learning. While I won't deny there definitely are weirdo parents who just want their children to be sheltered from the world, that's more than likely the exception rather than the norm, as I've met hundreds of homeschooled kids who have similar experiences to me.
@@stylish_rubble314 I wouldn't say he's doing a disservice homeschooling as a viable education option, but rather pointing out how homeschooling is a tactic used to maintain or impose control, and how the comparisons included in several right-wing reports aren't applicable in the context provided due to high variability in homeschooling methods.