Since you talked about police training. We have a local career school here. Basically people that wont go to college but go straight into a job during high school. There was a police class in there. Basically for four years it was run like a boot camp. Kids 14-18 trained everyday to have efficient gear, keep boots checked, and learning tactics. They even were handed batons to "patrol" their local students. What a shock they all had a massive ego and basically acted like they were the law. And this was just in a small setting. They obviously want to be in the military, but don't want the hardships that come with it. They can dress up, patrol, and still go home to their family. It's just military LARPing
I knew someone who would plug walk around my school in a prc chinese civil war uniform for special occasions while he was in JROTC with me... Edit: this has nothing to do with what you said but thought you would think it funny
TBF, them having a defense force makes sense. I could easily see someone trying to steal info, sabotage, or commit an act of terrorism during a historical moment.
Coming back to rewatch this after seeing police take 40 min to stop the shooting in uvalde texas. Police putting their own safety above those they are supposed to protect. It was true at Columbine, and it's true today.
Columbine was different. The police were trying to effect rescue operations and the suspects weren't actively engaged in harming people. Uvalde police is a testament to what happens when politicians are in public service but for the wrong reasons. Defending the police is ridiculous. You clearly don't know what, and obviously have no appreciation for, sacrifices people make in the name of public service. If anything the police need more funding. The problem is the allocation of funds and the spending being mostly in areas that don't benefit the public.
Nothing ever earns as much credibility to an opinion as someone who says "I was wrong. Here's why, and how to learn from my mistake." Respect to you for always being a critical thinker!
I’m sorry but did you even watch the video. He clearly defined what the third admendment was and how the current police system is against it. Also if you were to look at the title, it was obvious this video was going to be about more then just the third admendmed
@Audiocronic the third amendment was addressed as such There was no distinction between military forces and police at the time of the writing Police forces have been gaining more and more militarized weapons and gear. However they are not receiving the same level of training or held up to the same higher standards. Due to this the police are essentially a militarized unit without repercussions to heinous acts. As for quartering troops, police ability to enter a person's home with. A no knock warrant and seize all assets while you prove yourself innocent, are directly affecting people's homes and livelihoods. Soldiers shouldnt be allowed to just barge in an gun people down without repercussions. The police is acting like a military unit and is doing this without those repercussions. Hence why the 3rd amendment is violated. Maybe not word for word, but this was never the case. You need to look at the spirit of the law to determine its usefullne or lack thereof. The spirit of this amendment was to keep people safe from a militarized state that the colonials were under Britain. And now we are under a militarized police force that is reacting with more for than necessary.
@Audiocronic You're like that kid with his fingers in his ears yelling "lalalala I can't hear you". You know very well his arguements are accurate but you choose to ignore them because they're inconvenient to your perspective, so you brush them off as "whining" rather than addressing them.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." -Commander Adama.
This line helped radicalize me toward police abolition. Talking to a family member who is a cop, and has major issues like nearing a divorce, severe PTSD, etc, was what pushed me over the edge.
@@cibo889 have you actually heard what abolitionists ask? You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. They do NOT ask to remove the police and leave a void.
My neighbor is the head guard at the local jail. He has been fired from 5 counties, in 2 states. He's immediately hired in the next county. Our county has been sued for violating rights, naming him at the top. He's still employed, along with the other A-holes hired there.
2 ways this is possible,either he is was fired doing the right thing but people thought it was wrong(even though Kyle was not a cop I’m using him as evidence of this) or he is actually a bad cop
The fact that the Uvalde shooting follows the exact same narrative, you described over a year ago, speaks volumes: the shooting ends when the shooter decides to end it, police don't run in to help (for their own safety), the school "resource officer" chickens out and runs, etc. It's depressing and heartbreaking and I wish for this to change.
And the court was like "the police aren't legally obligated to risk their lives". So ironic after two years of "blue lives matter cause cops risk their lives for our safety, they're so brave!"
There is a situation where that’s not the case. Such as the Aurora shooting that was stopped by a concealed carrier. The cops can keep basic peace but when it comes to extreme incidents it’s up to people who actually are willing to sacrifice themselves. That could be a cop or it could be a Good Samaritan. The fact that the cops basically did nothing of merit in uvalde in fact they held back armed parents from saving their kids while cops kids were extracted shows that when chips are down you and yours are all you can rely on.
I’m still watching this, but “I was wrong” instantly earns my respect. Everyone is wrong sometimes, and so few admit it. How can you trust someone who won’t correct their inevitable mistakes? Thank you.
This is a serious problem that we, as a society, need to address. People cause so much harm covering up their mistakes. I think the WaPo report that came out about how the war in Afghanistan was basically a series of covering up failures is a great example of how harmful a societal value of never being wrong is. Japan’s conviction rate is another example. There are countless others. Once we learn that mistakes are inevitable and acceptable only if we learn from them, I think our society will be happier and more prosperous.
@@Jesse__H Most pathological Flip Floppers don't admit they were wrong. They just assume the newer popular position and hope no one notices. But/So yes...the purity tests are often dispensed to those whom are being set aside for criticism for which the 'in group' is exempt.
This was about so much more than the 3rd Amendment. Wow. The most comprehensive American criminal justice video I've seen on TH-cam. Congrats for making such a great video.
It’s a pleasant surprise to see one of my favorite TH-camrs in the comment section of one of my other favorite TH-camr’s videos! Is this a crossover episode???
@@jeremy5602 knowing better never said he was an expert, but he definate did his research, if you look at his description. Do you know enough to dispprove him?
Tommie Dragon first off he didn’t say that most people who are killed are armed and dangerous, people usually use individual examples of bad cops to attack the police. he said that cops only respond to 4% of violent crimes but in The NY Times article when you look at it, it’s just for 3 departments on the source and just because it’s not violent doesn’t mean it’s not serious.
He's literally back seat driving on an Operation that he has no experience in. In a warzone, you can blow up the high school if you suspect insurgents. In the police in peacetime, you can't without political blowback
@@edwardelric717 Yeah, um, the warzone you're describing would be a clear-cut war crime. Read the Geneva Conventions. And if police did that to your kid's school or any other, there should be far harsher consequences than just "political blowback".
watching this after uvalde just makes me angrier. when you work with kids, you can't help but think about what you'll do when it happens. and you always know: you'd die for them. without a second thought. that's what two teachers did that day, while the cops waited outside for a classroom full of 10 year olds to be slaughtered. they were too busy brutalizing parents for trying to save their kids. there were no good guys with guns that day.
From my understanding, the good guys with guns were all busy getting oc'd and tasered by the police who, for some reason, were more interested in stopping the parents and relatives of people in the school from getting in (including that one LEO whose wife was a teacher) than they were in stopping the actual mass shooting
It´s even more fun because whenever someone says 'we need to demilitarize the police', a lot of folks think that this someone is asking for the end of all kinds of policing and is basically in favour of more crime, opinion that is constantly retrasmited and regurgitated by powerful politicians with interests in that. And Even more fun knowing that a good part of said millitary police is involved in millitias which is basically mobs. How this country hasn´t desintegrated into mad max yet is beyond me.
Most countries still have military-grade police forces, and there is a use for them, even here in the USA. But we don't need _civil police_ to be militarized. Most cops spend their days writing traffic tickets; they don't need body armor and high-capacity gun magazines for that. If they encounter a violent person during a traffic stop, they should retreat and call for backup, not attempt to handle it alone; and there is no reason they should need to be equipped to handle it alone, nor suffer the mental burden of thinking they need to handle it alone.
@@Xx_BoogieBomber_xX Brazil's police force was militarized long before Bolsonaro. Bope is Brazil's weapon in their "War on Drugs". They have harsher training than many countries' military.
Time Stamps 0:50- History of police 3:39- Community Policing 5:57- What is a crime 7:19- Explanation of crime 9:35 Police militarization 12:35- SWAT effectiveness 16:07- War on drugs effects on policing 19:50- Police tactics 23:04- Crime rate 26:49- Police Training 29:03- Police reform 31:26- Conclusion
The War on Drugs is possibly the worst domestic decision the US government has ever made. Edit: "Ever" is too strong a word... replace that with "in the last 50 years."
I remember couple months ago I played mincraft with this guy who lives in New Zealand. He had some drugs in his pocket when going into a nightclub. Police outside caught him and were gonna arrest him. He ran off and I laughed loudly saying how utterly crazy you'd have to be to run from the police. He chuckled but asked me why it's such a bad idea? I said they'd track you down or shoot you before you get more than 20 feet away. That's when there was a silence and he just quietly said. The police can't kill me where I live. oh... right...
As a law enforcement agent in Argentina and college student working to get my degree in criminal investigation...your video really has helped re-evaluate my convictions and personal views on policing despite living in another country and dealing with a different policing reality
At the end of the day, no one should be jailed or punished for exercising their human right to consume what they want and to make educated decisions about how they change their consciousness. No government body nor police force has any moral justification or right to throw people in a cage for exercising their cognitive liberty
Civil asset forfeiture is evil! I had all of my property taken when I was moving across the country because I "had a suspicious and dangerous look" afterwards I was pretty much screwed. How to fight a theft when it's the cops?
@@ulfricstormcloak3657 It's perfectly legal. All objects can be theoretically used for crime (including cash) and that's the only justification they need.
I am a marine corp veteran and i have caught so much flak when i have brought up the absolute lack of any roe and accountability of police i completely feel what you talked about in that portion of the video. Also good job on the video gave me a lot to think about.
"One shot, you don't empty your whole magazine into someone, that's a literal war crime" Every CS GO, COD and BF player : Years of academy training wasted
He was wrong about that. His descriptions of the rules for use of force in the military were deliberately described to make it seem like they were more restrictive than that of US police. They weren't.
@@MewtwoStrikesThunder Not a veteran so discredit me as you will: Things to keep in mind - Rules of engagement can supersede use of force continuum. Specifically the soldier's right to defend themselves and others. These rules assume an individual not clearly a combatant, if they are clearly hostile ROE is used instead. 1 Officer presence - Make your offical-ness known (uniform, vehicle, lights, other such ways) 2 verbal commands - What it says on the tin sure, but specific instruction is given on "giving consequence where legal" eg. "if you don't let us through you might get hurt" 3 open hand submission - hands on but don't hurt them, physically attempt to make them comply (move aside, disperse, etc). No tissue damage if possible but if it can't be avoided oh well. If they resist here pretty much auto 4. Some handbooks essentially lump 3 and 4 together. 4 hard control - Take them down, now you can hurt them. Don't kill or incapacitate. Handcuffs ok. If listed as its own thing it usually means that open hand is essentially shove them aside and hard control is get them out of the way maybe by taking them into custody 5 intermediate weapons - less than lethal deployment - this also usually stipulates that connective tissue damage is allowed. Incapacitation is allowed. 6 kill them - go for the kill, comply with current ROE standards of reciprocity (don't drop a kiloton bomb on a dude holding a pistol, don't make them suffer, etc) depending on the handbook hand to hand killing is A-OK as long as they don't suffer. The point of getting here isn't to get them to listen to you anymore its to make them. Not sure if medical aid is tended afterwards, it just sort of says "off the sucker" and that's it. I guess it assumes individual was a spy (for the purposes of UOFC: someone who is a combatant but was posing as non) and combat was inevitable. Interestingly most handbooks I saw point out that its war and suffering is inevitable. I only checked general rules, ranger and navy UOFC handbooks so I might be misrepresenting something. I don't know if there are UOFC for long range combatants, I would assume "let an infantryman handle it when safe" would be part of it. All for making a better police force but this seems a bit too heavy handed to be what we compare it to.
It is enforced against non-American soldiers though. We have special courts setup for dealing with war crimes. The US just doesn't recognize it, just like a few other rogue terrorist states.
This is fascinating to me because I'm a government teacher who's always dismissed the 3rd amendment. As a memory tool, I've taught that the 4th-8th amendments walk someone through the process from initial interaction with law enforcement to sentencing. But taking into account how "policing" was done in the 1700s, it makes more sense to frame the first 8 amendments in the same way, with the 1st amendment establishing the rights that might have a citizen encounter a law enforcement officer (whether a modern policeman or a soldier in the 1700s), initial concerns about the state of law enforcement (2nd and 3rd amendments establishing the right of the people to govern or police themselves), and then for the 4th-8th amendments to continue through the process. The first 8 amendments all tell the same story: the right of a citizen to believe, speak, and rebel, and the restrictions on the government in the process, which is exactly the kind of story the framers of the Constitution would have cared about. Thank you for the added insights. They're worth considering, and with more research I'm going to reexamine my lessons on the topic.
@@BennyFitter I stopped taking Mises seriously after reading one of his stances on taxes. His argument was basically "Taxes will always make an economy less efficient", but like a paragraph later he also stated something close to "Never test if taxes actually make economies less efficient, though". If you can't test it, it's religion, not science.
I've been in the fire department for about 4 years now, and I've had several interactions with our SWAT team. Since I work in a fairly low crime area, their existence is mostly justified by also having them cross trained in rescue/vehicle extrication. They don't do much even though they have a ton of fancy gear, and mostly show up to "help" at high profile scenes. The public is always a bit confused when they see people in ballistic helmets, vests, holding rifles at a rescue. The first time I saw them come to a scene I was working on, I was worried for a second because I thought I missed something and walked into a standoff. Turns out there was no police action needed besides an incident report to explain the accident, and we handled the rescue with no issue. I know they probably do more then just that, but it seems like they're paid to show up and watch firefighters work, while we (a volunteer agency) do the actual work. A lot of the time, they just leave a few minutes after showing up. If only the fire service or EMS could see some of that money...
If I'm ever in critical condition I'd rather get care from fire and ems. People call the cops first and wonder why it takes you guys longer to get to the scene.
@@rexman971 Definitely. When it's strictly a medical emergency, we usually get sent out at the same time as the police, and usually make it on scene at around the same time. In that case, PD can generally just hang around for a bit to make sure everything is okay and then leave. When there's a potential crime at hand however, the cops go first and alert us if there's a patient, so it all depends on how the call is made.
And that's the point of defund the police - for fire and rescue you allocate money to people trained in fire and rescue, for medical emergencies you allocate money to people trained in medical assistance, for minor crime you allocate money to people trained in minor crime, for riot control you allocate money to people trained in riot control.
This brings memories of the Utøya Terrorist attack in Norway in 2011. The police did show up early, but was too scared to enter the island, and instead waited for backup, which meant that the shooter had plenty of time to kill people. Now things have changed; The first police officer on the scene goes in, without waiting for backup.
I read a very descriptive event of that horrible day, its extremely disturbing. I cannot believe the callous shooter is still alive today and gets to have a video game console in his cell, among other amenities.
@@mutalix Well, I prefer a criminal being locked away with a video game console to him being killed off. Capital punishment is a thing we used in dark ages, not modern societies.
@@wernerlindorfer3693 I find it concerning that America keeps a fraction of its citizens in prisons. I think a wider prison reform should come about as well.
@@theshamanite But how else are you going to get a free source of labour if you aren't allowed to imprison minorities for being accused of minor offenses?
@ALSO-RAN ! I never understood how that worked. How the hell can you send a SWAT team to someone's house in less than a few hours without any investigation?
I know someone in the US Mint police. They are basically security guards held to very high standards. If you live by a mint I challenge you to find an unpolished boot or creased uniform.
@@oh_no_martians I was listening to 90s and 00s punk/ska and was left thinking the exact same thing. It's outrageous how much of our media is not only relevant but feels like the perfect description of the living nightmare we're dealing with now. I had little access to many of these songs and bands growing up, due to conservative restrictions (beyond the really popular ones and skater punk I encountered in video games) on radio. Out of three stations that played anything other than country, one only played the 5 top hits(literally some days. There is all to accurate pun off the station name about it), and the other two catered to oldies and soft rock. Man, what a freaking slap in the face discovering some. It's disgusting to see how much worse it has gotten compared to then. And a history lover, it's absolutely sickening to see us going down the path that led to atrocities that should never be repeated. The attack on education is infuriating.
This community response agency that you proposed actually exists here in Germany. It's called the 'Ordnungsamt' which means the order agency. They are unarmed and deal with topically non-violent interactions. We view them as another force for justice but more fitted for civil offenses.
I think we mostly view them as a possible annoyance to be avoided, right? :D Well, I make sure to throw my cigarettes away properly and not on the ground when they are around, I wouldn't bother around a police officer.
@@pifilixxiv3192 I am always surprised about fellow germans copying republican talking points on US-related slogans like "defund the police", without realizing we already have/did all of that (in some ways). And jeah, talking to some US-citizens, its like... dude, we have that and its much better. Why do you get the idea that it would be 'socialism' or somehow impossible?
When the police came to me for a mental health crisis, all they did was lie to me about where they were taking me and then put me into an emergency room where they just sat me in a room and charged thousands of dollars for a complete waste of time that was reduced to only needing to pay hundreds after insurance. I didn’t even know they were taking me to the emergency room until after I had checked in.
Bro fucking same. i had an experience eriely similar to this. i was escorted into an ambulance by two ARMED cops after expressing suicidal ideations to a therapist as a teenager, they did not let me recant or leave, i wasn't even admitted to the hospital, just forced to sit through and talk to a pshyciatrist in the hospital. they tucking charged me 2500$ for the whole thing, when i did NOT GET AN OPTION TO SAY I WAS FINE. after the whole ordeal they discharged me at 12:30 AM in a completley foreign location AS A MINOR with no idea how to get home or where to go, i wandered lost for hours. FUCK this country.
@@CoffeeKitty. I think I'd rather die than pay that bill You can tell they really care about your suicidal ideations when they charge you up the ass for a talk you never asked for and then just throw you out of the car like piece of garbage
As a veteran i have the same take on it as you, if you want to use the weapon and and tactics of the military you should be held to the same standards.
Dam I never knew that police call in A10 Warthog strikes, all carry machine guns and grenades, and use tanks with HE rounds. Oh right, that's because they don't.
@@josephpayne113 many SWAT units around the country carry assualt rifles and SMGs, SWAT and riot police often have gernade launchers and less lethal gernades
@@josephpayne113 so you're picking the things they don't have which is a red herring. For instance we take a kid of a really rich dad who has a Maserati, a Rolex, and a Ducati, but are saying ya buts not like the kid has a Ferrari and a Boat! So... should the kid have a Maserati? Or is it ridiculous to think the kid should probably only have a Honda Civic. Oh and the kid blew the engine on the Maserati and crashed his Ducati because of course he's a little shit with too many toys and no responsibilities
One correction I'd like to make is that the Praetorians were bodyguards. The real town watchmen were known as vigiles and could also be mobilized if the town were to come under attack. They filled the actual "policing" role.
I kind of wish you had mentioned the Supreme Court case "Castle Rock v. Gonzales". The result of which is that the whole "protect and serve" motto that the police are always using is basically just lip service and that they are not required to do either of those things.
I live with a vet. I come from a military family. It always boggles my mind when people don't know some of the most common rules. That being said: It also hurts my brain knowing how many people I love have been in the military, and supports the local police force saying "If we could have just done this in Iraq. :(
@@Giganfan2k1 Which is why laws are supposed to be put in place to curtail vigilantism.
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We had a real nice one. The roe said "Defensive fighting only". Yeah, in what was a warzone when the first batches arrived. .....But we'd had years of shit insurgents spilling into the valleys, ussually from the same place. They could pop up all over the place that way and it needed stopping. We needed to deny them movement. So they plonked down a big OP at the mouth of the valley where it transfered to mountain streams with cliffs, where all the shit ussually came from, as a big big 'Hi, come shoot at us, since we're the first thing you see'. Insurgents obliged and shot at the fortified OP, often to little effect, but serving there was nerve-wrecking (I heard, I never did). And if the insurgents did that, we'd be like "Hey, they're shooting at us. Time to send a combat patrol around to do some defensive fighting". The politicians at home were happy that we were only fighting defensively, and we did secure the region that way.
@ And were you defending your own country and not perhaps being an occupying force in someone else's? Because by default you can't really do "defensive fighting" when you are engaging in an offensive action like an occupation or an invasion. But if indeed the country was yours and you were defending it then I can understand the irony of this.
They've changed significantly from whenever he was there. In Afghanistan 2014 we were taught to use reasonable force, totally dispensing with the use of force continuum because it's bullshit. We were told if they're getting to close, get their attention somehow, if they're still ignoring you open fire. Absolutely no warning shots. IE warning shots were a violation of our ROE. You are accountable for every shot fired. Most situations, if you're at the point of shooting, you're already being shot at. And not being able to shoot an armed fleeing combatant is complete bullshit. If I hadn't seen stupider shit I would say that was a lie, but I can't say that. Doubt of your target is one thing, civilians do have guns there and do carry them, but if they were just shooting at you, you shoot them back, even if it's in the back. For example of reasonable force, on my first time out a kid, probably 12 - 14 threatened me with a rock to give him a water bottle. Normally, with a helmet on, that wouldn't have been a serious threat... but I was dumb, in experienced, and in the back of an MRAP with my helmet off. These kids could bust headlight on an armored vehicle from 30 feet, and my head was a juicy target for that little shit. I was genuinely worried I'd be killed, but I was also didn't want to shoot him but had no other options. I very quickly tried to think of what use of force I could use to protect myself... do I run out there and beat him? Do I throw something at him? I just sat there with a dumb look on my face until someone walked between me and the kid and I put my helmet on. The kid threw the rock and hit my partner in the shoulder, bruising her so badly she went to the hospital on base. Looking back, I did mostly the right thing. I learned from the mistake and carried a pistol from then on, in addition to my rifle. (Pistols are rare for soldiers btw, I had one because I'm public affairs and we borrowed extra pistols from the special forces group in our state. ) Let me explain that a bit. Afghan culture really runs on respect. Literally the Afghan soldiers who intentionally shoot up American soldiers most often were caused because that soldier had been disrespected and the way they get respect back is murdering the people related to the one who insulted them. They don't swear, and if you correct someone in their culture, you do it in an inoffensive way. Essentially the opposite of an American infantryman. Even a mustache I grew for a month garnered me a lot of respect. People would come to me, a lower enlisted to ask me things instead of the clean shaven Sergeant Majors I was following. Having the name Solomon even got me a lot of respect from anyone who could read any English(basically everyone who could read). Culturally a pistol was a much more prestigious weapon, and by drawing it would have likely driven him away without trouble, and if he called that bluff then fuck me. *THE POINT* Still, in this case, with a pistol, the reasonable force would have been to not take my helmet off in the first place and brandish the pistol. and if he threw the rock then suffer the injury because I'm literally three times his size and covered in bodyarmor, and have ok healthcare.
@Jason Dubya-DEEZNUTS no no people with low social skill or who can't find their drivers license and don't remember where in the car it is too ger nervous or people who think they accidentaly speeded or something else all will be nervous
I never forget my experience in your fair country, in particular New Jersey where the police pulled me over for speeding and since I got out of the car faster than the officer expected me to the next thing I could see was a gun barrel a few centimeters from my face.... for speeding.
@@Mothlord03 Almost everywhere else you get out of the car. As foreigner visiting the US you are in deadly danger. I simply cannot advise anyone to go on vacation in the US, or even longer. I'd rather say people go to the Iran or Saudi Arabia, since there the rules you have to play by are clear. In the US, any trivial thing you may do may get you killed for no reason. And yes, you read right, I consider Saudi Arabia or Iran less dangerous for European travellers than the US. And those are known oppressive countries.
@@VulpesChama plus dead bodies can't give their testimony so the police can make up anything they want after they shoot someone and get caught. So many cases this has happened in i don't even think i can fit it in this comment. Do not set foot into america, especially if you look foreign. You will be treated worse
Well, it was more of an issue of when and how much the federal government got involved. States varied, and local governments varied within states. For instance, some states or local governments criminalized marijuana to target Latino Americans and/or African Americans. Some have been run by people with puritanical beliefs. Some still ban alcohol sales, even though it has contributed to more driving under the influence. But the Nixon administration certainly amped up the War on Drugs to target Vietnam War protesters, civil rights protesters, and hippies and African Americans in general because they were unlikely to vote for Nixon and his kind.
technically LSD was criminalized a year before Woodstock. earlier cannabis laws were found unconstitutional in Leary v. United States but that was quickly changed in 1970
@@zacharywebb3071 But the court didn't find that the law was unconstitutional because of it prohibiting cannabis, they found it unconstitutional because in order to pay the tax in states were weed was illegal, one would have to incriminate themselves, which would violate the 5th amendment.
It wasn't "legal". Like you couldn't just sell heroin at the 7/11. It just wasn't really criminalised yet. I mean cocaine was once a medicine treated in basically the same was as aspirin or caffeine today, but not most drugs. But part of that just comes down to them not really being as prevelant at the time.
Here in Finland, we also have militarized police, but none of the same problems. Our cops have pistols on them (unlike Norway and the UK) and they have SMGs, shotguns and shields in their patrol vehicles. We also have a Swat (called Vati) on every Police Department and a counter terrorist unit called Karhu-ryhmä. Our police also have armored vehicles, granted not as big, if someone wants to Google, it's the "Mercedes-Benz G280 CDI LAPV 5.4" Also the military (police) help with almost every large incident, if not directly, by lending equipment, including similar giant armored vehicles. Gun ownership while granted not close to the US, is in the Top 5 per capita in the world. Yet the number of shots a year can be counted with one hand. The number of people killed by police in the last decade can be counted with one hand. Granted our population is much smaller, but you can compare it to cities or some states atleast. I think the biggest difference is that our training requires you go to a university that lasts 3 years (2 in school, 1 in training) and until relatively recently, also required atleast 6months in the military, which 90% of cops still do.
@@cgmason7568 ok, let's look at Finland's neighbor: Russia. Even more militarized police, compared even to the US (all law enforcements are paramilitaries, all possess armored vehicles, some possess tanks and attack helicopters). If you're an actual danger (like an armed terrorist), they'll level a house you're in with machine gun or autocannon fire and grenades. Regular patrol officers are often armed with automatic rifles, stationary officers at points of interest in cities are almost always armed with automatic rifles. Yet they almost never actually shoot people. Russia isn't a homogeneous country with a low population, hence why it has comparable violent crime rates to the US. It has the same drug criminalization problem, even worse than American. There aren't as many guns, but criminals have better access to automatic and heavy weaponry (RPGs and stuff like that), semi-automatic firearms with unlimited magazines are also legal, although they aren't used in crimes often (they're used in less than 0.1% of violent crimes). So, with so much in common, why police shootings aren't?
I've had extremely mixed experiences with cops. When I lived in a small town as a teen/young adult they'd harassed me alot but nothing serious, hell they even gave me a ride home from the bar a couple times. I moved to the city last this past year an I had them accusing me of affiliating with people I don't even know, got stopped walking by the police station because I had my backpack an I looked "suspicious" I had one threaten to kick the shit outta me because the wind caught my cigarette smoke an it went into his face. Like there are some decent cops but alot of them in it for the power trip.
That's actually one of the biggest things that police reformers, city and local governments, city planners, and even TONS of former police advocate for: *connection with the community.* When you have a bunch of officers who don't live in the areas they patrol, never talk to the people that live there, and only ever exist in these places purely whenever they get a call, it's no wonder that suddenly power trips, prejudice, assumed guilt, and constant paranoia suddenly take over any reasonable and sensible readings of the situation.
I have a similar experience. In my small town,the officers were mostly alright. In a larger town (like 40,000 people), a police officer pulled me over for no reason- he claimed I “cut him off” when I made a right turn. I was an RA in college and was back to school in the summer for training. First, he accused me of stealing my car because my parent’s name was on the title. Next, he asked me where I was going and I told him the name of the dorm where I was working. I was an RA in an athlete dorm, so it was a “party” dorm. He then asked me, without knowing I was in that dorm because I was an RA, if I was drunk then if I was high. Then he repeatedly asked me if I have ever been drunk or high in my whole life- since I was only 20, he thought he could trap me. I truthfully answered no. He then asked me if I’ve ever drank alcohol or smoked pot in my whole life, and I said no. I was glad someone else was in the car with me because this officer was creeping me out. If I was alone, who knows what he would have tried to do? *shivers*
@@iHeartPiMore my dad who’s a MP in the army once got harassed by racist cops in a sundown town in Georgia. He’s a black man and if wasn’t in his uniform he probably would’ve been arrested. My dad used to be a civilian cop, but a lot of his coworkers were racist and actively discriminated against him. Plus my dad had a college degree in criminal justice and psychology and was basically more educated than his superiors. He quit and became a correctional officer and even they have more training and more restrictions than street cops.
Don't you know that tobacco use is "illegal" in 2022? Hence the prohibition on it. In Illinois, it's illegal to smoke inside *any* building in the state. Yes, that means your home and apartment. It's in my lease. Everything else is "2 lease violations in a 12 month period" -- but not tobacco use. You get caught smoking a cigarette, cigar, or vaping in your apartment -- you are gone. Immediate eviction. You can't even smoke within 15 feet of **any** building opening (door or window if the window can open). That means for our apartment building, you can't even smoke on the sidewalk. It's only 10 feet from any door or window. Welcome to the world of tomorrow. Funny, they never told us about all of this back then.
Agree I feel this topic could use a part 2, military police is such a wierd concept and after doing some history research the police is actually a new modern concept
I was actually disgusted to know that it took police almost 3 hours to attend to a person bleeding out because they believed that it was too dangerous for a police officer to go in during columbine. They failed to protect and serve in every regard that day
Now imagine that the building had been on fire, instead. "No, we cannot send a rescue in, the risk of losing a firefighter is too high." "But there hasn't been even smoke in the past 3 hours." "Yeah, but... the doorhandle looks kinda warm."
No different from people cosplaying as soldiers, doesn't matter that your equipment is functional when you don't have the training or courage to use it when there's lives at stake.
25:25 "we're the only country they punishes drug use like this." Malaysia: "individuals arrested in possession of 50g or less of [cannibis] will be sentenced to imprisonment of up to 10 years." 200g or more you are considered a trafficker and receive a mandatory death penalty. (Love your show though. I figured you'd appreciate the fact check.)
Regarding police's effectiveness at dealing with criminals, there is also a sense of denial. We want to believe that calling the police can and will save us from life or death situations. It is a false sense of security.
@@genieglasslamp5028 Was gonna comment on exactly that. Anyone who thinks the cops have any responsibility to protect or help anyone can just ask the two women who were held hostage at gunpoint and raped multiple times over the course of half a day or more about it. SCOTUS told them "Nope, cops had no particular responsibility to help you. Get fucked."
@ALSO-RAN ! Look, I know the US is different, BUT major police forces like the German, British, Dutch & Swedish police all manage to resolve almost any situation non lethally with even FIRING less than 100 shots per year total.
"...They turned many previously innocent people, who were minding their own business, into criminals." You sir. have just described much of the apparent purpose of the ATF, well done.
"We have to go in and save that teacher from dying." "It's too dangerous the shooter killed himself two hours ago, who knows how many officers would lose their lives."
@@bazdotorg just listen to what he said in the video, The absolute most embarrassing stupid line which is just the left wing talking point actually it’s not a left-wing talking people on the left wing are smart enough not to say something that’s stupid it’s not that people commit more crime it’s just that we’ve expanded the definition of crime that literally doesn’t make any sense that’s the equivalent of saying it’s not that people are breaking more rules it’s just that we’ve made more rules OK that’s complete nonsense, this is just anti-cop propaganda. This video made me almost wanna unsubscribe to him I do enjoy a lot of his videos but this video is an absolute embarrassment.
"We're the only country that punishes drug use like this." You're right, in the Phillipines you can be shot to death on sight if you're doing or dealing drugs.
I don’t understand. Are you suggesting we shoot on sight? Drugs laws are unenforceable. The Phillipines are an island... We constantly take in migrants and asylum seekers escaping violence in south and Central America. Violence caused by gangs that... sell drugs. Violence that could possibly be eliminated if we made it legal and not an underground big business opportunity. It would help with immigration, too. It’s like a Republican wet dream.
He means developed countries which are wealthy enough to have no excuse for this kind of shit. And what country was the Philippines most recently a colony of?
the part about the sheriffs, their duties and how crime was fought with posses and militias makes the whole thing around billy the kid make SO much more sense
@@faisal3398 Could be the deputization of Billy and the other Regulators, and the deputization of the Murphy-Dolan forces (who I don't think had a cool nickname), and the result being two competing posses operating at odds to each other while still technically both working within the bounds of the law. Another instance might be the Earp Revenge Ride with a similar case of rival deputized factions operating against each other.
@A Fels Delusional. "Legalisation of booze made the mafia more powerful." which America do you live in? I live in the one where the Mafia was mainly only a thing during prohibition and was finally broken by the RICO laws in the 1990s, near the end of the Drug war.
@A Fels The golden age of the Mafia was ended by the end of prohibition because they lost their primary source of revenue. They still had other sources, like gambling and prostitution, but they were a shell of what they once were.
Man, what a good video. The part about proactive policing really hits. I'm "visibly" neurodivergent (I'm autistic and mentally ill) and often the way I act comes off as odd or suspicious to people, which in reality is either me just feeling scared or overwhelmed by my surroundings, or just... my way of existing normally. Cops scare me so much; it's a very real and terrifying possibility that one day a cop will decide I'm being too suspicious not to detain me and there is no way for that to end well for me.
I remember my dad going through the RoE when he was a squaddie. He said you can only start battle drills after you've come under "effective enemy fire" which when I asked him, he said: "well effective enemy fire means when a series of rounds land around you or whistle past you or if Steve, your patrol buddy, gets shot." Which brings some perspective on the use of force in the armed forces, let alone the police.
@@drew3758 No, it's more like "don't act like you're under fire until it is undeniable", because that is better than committing a war crime by firing on unarmed civilians because you got jumpy.
@@guardingdark2860 that ends up in cops dead at traffic stops which is why their on edge because by the time your under fire unless their aim is really bad then your wounded or dead.
@@drew3758That's the risk they take. As was said in the video, you don't get the glory and respect that they want without earning it. If they want to reduce their risk, they can petition lawmakers to change the culture in this country like the rest of us. Until then, they have to accept the risks that have been set before them, because it is clear that they have merely offloaded the risk from them onto the people they are supposed to be protecting and serving. And yes, I know you were referring to police. That doesn't make the killing of unarmed civilians any more acceptable. I was highlighting that when it comes to lethal force, we shouldn't pretend like it's different when it comes to cops. If anything it's worse because soldiers in an active war zone are justified in being jumpy by default, but a cop doesn't have that justification by default. Or at least, they shouldn't, and that's where changing the culture comes in.
>>> FL have the 3rd oldest police force in the US ~Imagines a team of 80yr-old Florida police officers on mobility scooters chasing down a 90yr-old great-granny on a mobility scooter who's made a break for it after a bingo night went south~
I've only had a singular interaction with an armed police officer. My grandfather used to use a pellet gun to shoot squirrels in our backyard to keep them out of our pecan tree. A neighbor called the police and told them it was a firearm. The only way that pellet gun would have killed even a squirrel is if you held it down and put the barrel against its head. Police showed up, I got my grandfather and then stood by while he talked to them. The greenest of green officers put his hand on his gun and barked, "get your hands out of your pockets," when I put my hands in my pockets. Flimsy knit shorts' pockets. I couldn't hold a cellphone in those things without my shorts being on the ground. You'd have needed a slow-motion camera to see my hands go up. The senior officer gave him this, "really idiot," look. If I were black, chances are, my name would be in those BLM protests.
It's amazing what you can hold within a waistband of tighty whities, or even just prisonwallet. Hope that officer learned to be better or at least was dressed down by his superior.
@@WingMaster562 No, I mean I doubt he got dressed down even later. Discipline isn't exactly high among police unless or until someone dies needlessly, and sometimes not even then.
@@fizban7 Correct, good sir. Fun fact: in the great state of Wisconsin, you can legally drink alcohol when with your parents with their approval before the age of 18! Now you know why half the state has beer guts before 20.
fizban7 Fun fact, it was Ronald “the nine scariest words in the dictionary are I’m from the government and I’m here to help” Reagan that barred federal funding for roads from states that wouldn’t comply.
Been away for a while and found that this is still one of the most interesting and profound channels I have come across so far. And - as a foreigner to the US - very happy to see this kind of reflection in the US.
@@jiraffe9600 ikr, if you’re trying to learning actual history or culture, why would you only look at Pop culture centers? Hollywood isn’t designed for factual retelling and nuance, it’s designed for profit via entertainment. If you go into movies thinking everything’s going to be realistic and educational, then at that point that’s kinda your fault you don’t know anything.
An oft-neglected factor to the high incarceration rate in the US is also the fact that many prisons are for-profit private enterprises. They have contracts with the counties they operate in, and if the counties can't provide enough inmates they have to pay the prison for being empty. This leads to judges putting people in prison for laughable offences, not because the citizen needs correction but because the county can't afford to let them walk.
I can confirm. I was arrested on false charges from an angry ex and I was put in with the murderers and rapists in max block. There were eight of us. Within a week, that jail was packed full. The local police arrested people at a higher rate until the jail was full and then the next people arrested were given low cost bonds, in and out in a day. I had no criminal charges until this and they wouldn't give me a bond for 30 days.
Before I heard of it, I hadn't heard of it either. ;) That doesn't make it false information, though - a new for-profit private prison complex is only built if there's a profit to be made in the first place, so before so much as laying the first brick they make contracts with the surrounding authorities that this prison will be able to keep their staff hired even when there's a sudden drop in crime, otherwise they'd just have to shut down and free all their residents, and we don't want that, right? So the counties either pay for the prison to stay operational, or they make it someone else's (read: the state's) problem by providing inmates. Also, think a bit about the mechanics of cause and effect. Hint: you do not have worse people than everywhere else in the world.
25:24 I'm assuming when you say "we're the only country that punishes drugs like this or has militarized police" you mean only western country? I've travelled a lot... and a lot of countries have militarized police with armoured vehicles driving around on the streets. Also, some countries give you several years in prison no questions asked for marijuana possession.
I mean, shoot, in Singapore, possessing any kind of narcotic or illegal drug is punishable by death. Even for smaller crimes like vandalism, you get beaten with a cane until the officer thinks you learned your lesson.
I mean it makes sense to compare the US police to the ones in European and Anglo-American Democracys, because they have similar values, institutions and cultures. Of course there are parts of the world that have militarized police forces and hard drug laws, but you wouldn't consider these places to be on pare with western democracies in the form of civil liberties and freedom of religion and speech. And in comparison to like-minded countries such as Australia, Germany or Sweden, the US sticks out like a sore thumb.
But the thing is that all of this war on drugs started by the US government during Nixon administration. They lobbied the whole world to follow suit, most importantly the poorer nations during their military dictatorships like in Latin America...
Also, it reminds me of an analogy where you apply the excuse of a few bad apples in the police force to another profession. Like airline pilots. Imagine having an airline where a few of the pilots had a tendency to put their plane on autopilot at low altitude and then throw random people out the door just because they had a hunch that you were probably going to be trouble on the trip. The police, like airline pilots. Are jobs that really, in any sane world, should not accept or tolerate the existence of bad apples.
Crazy that so many proponents of police millitarization also use the bad apples analogy when the full quote in context is actually against their position
@@arcadeinvader8086 Ah come on, its not like the US is good with grammar and stuff. Pulling oneself up by the bootstraps was used to show how ridiculous something is. "I could care less" (JUST READ THAT... NO SENSE!)
Countries have been trying "preventative punishment" for centuries. Once upon a time, England executed an 8-year-old for stealing a cup. "A man doesnt hang for stealing a horse, but that horses might not be stolen." It didn't work then, it won't work now. You'd think at some point we would learn our lesson.
Almost got a ticket for jaywalking but he got called away for an actual emergency. But then like a year later I was at the train station and I had to cross the tracks. When I was like right on the tracks the barricades started coming down because a train was coming so I ran as fast as I could and ducked under the barricade in front of me so I like, wouldn’t get hit by a fucking train and I got a ticket for that. Literally the most stupid bullshit ticket I’ve ever received.
heard of a guy who moved to the west coast, didn't want to pay the wiring fees for about around 64 grand in cash and him and his dad felt it was fine to cross the country with that money in his car trunk for the move. Of course an Arizona deputy pulled them over, saw ALL DAT CASH and seized it.
@@warriorwaitress7690 Could be, what's rather angering and sad is that we could be referencing multiple incidents of what should be Illegal State seizure of peoples property.
@@dragonsword7370 Agreed, it's so effed up. Such a twisted law, where the property is the defendant. That's why you'll see cases on the docket with strange names like "US vs One 2007 Toyota Camry" or "US vs 14 Malaysian Sculptures". Even worse, the burden of proof is on the property owner to provide evidence that their property is not guilty, rather than the government proving that it is. Doesn't matter whether or not the property owner has been duly convicted of any crime, nor even charged with one. I read about another case where a young man was arrested for selling a couple of dimebags of weed to a police informant from the front porch of his parents' house. Despite there being zero evidence that the parents were in any way involved or even aware of it, police seized the house. And in another case, police seized a guy's motel (worth $2 million, I think) because of some drug activity from a guest, EVEN THOUGH the motel owner was actively assisting police in arresting the guest. If you get pulled over with a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars in cash, fuhgeddaboutit. Every person in the US should memorize these 12 words: "Officer, I'm not resisting, but I do not consent to a search."
I remember being 14 years old on my way home from school to find my entire block covered in police cars. my dad had a history of mental illness and depression. he was sitting in the house with a 22 caliber single action revolver if I remember correctly. I saw several AR 15s and shotguns and I wanna say 6 police cars but there could very well have been more. I can say with certainty that if he stepped outside the front door and moved too quickly, the entire front door could've been obliterated. for one guy, with a small caliber revolver. I don't blame the use of guns there. he was armed and dangerous and you can't risk someone getting shot. but you don't need a small army to deal with one guy with a small gun. just one police officer who feels a little too threatened and the entire house could light up
This here is great Coverage, but why stop here? Some More News, the Channel, has loads of fact-filled videos about BLM, the Police and even just the Concept of 'Problems'.
@@legion4698 they should absolutely be but sometimes force is necessary. However, they aren't trained to properly deal with a threat that requires force either
@Joseph Mainville That's the nature of government. It collects power and centralizes until the elite eventually control everything. At the same time people call for government to save them from thier problems, giving the government more power. The constitution merely slowed the process, giving maybe 100-200 years of constitutional government before it was all eventually subverted. Many of the founding fathers expected this would happen quicker, so be glad that the Republic has survived in some form for this long. Rome went from a Republic to a Monarchy, the US will follow a similar road.
I strongly believe the depression and loneliness crisis is related to/caused by police militarization. If you're a teen, especially if you're a minority with a lot to lose, there is very little you can do for fun and socialization that isn't illegal or unaffordable
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This feels like a really important video. Your background as a military vet gives you more credibility with certain groups than most lefty youtubers who are largely academics and media critics. Good job, I'm glad your channel exists. I'm going to be showing this video to my brother.
We used MRAPs and MAPVs in Afghanistan too btw when I got out and moved back to my tiny hometown with 1,000 people several hours from any decent sized town or city, I found our sheriff dept with an MRAP that they mainly just use for parades
@@gnarlax2005 Obama is when it really started to be a widespread issue. Small town departments in the 90s and early 2000s didn’t have MRAPs and humvees. Post 2008 they did.
@@ignacio9399 That's more a matter of unfortunate timing, than due to any promotion by the Obama administration. If anything, the GOP was pushing the 1033 program to *counter* Obama, scaring their base with rhetoric that they needed to protect their towns because racism. There is no reason for local, small town police to have MRAPs. What a waste of taxes.
The one thing that’s really striking about the escalation of force part is the fact that you do not point a gun anywhere close to another person unless you are a second away from shooting to kill them, and then comparing that to just the basic image everyone has of swat teams pointing assault rifles to intimidate and break up protesters
this should be trending! Im tired of arguing with my friends who are in the two extremes and deny anything factual or logic, they either yell defund the police without understanding the motives for it or yell we need militarized police without understanding the issues with the skewed crime rates. I dont want to change either ones ideologies but I just want them to understand the hard facts and make an informed decsion rather than use impulse social media information. Imo i think a slow demilitarization, with a stronger police academy and a different approach to first responder might be a good option. But then again I dont know much as I am just an outsider in this situation, and don't know the inner workings of the police system.
@@gomul13 yeah I didn't mean not police lol. I should have elaborated. The people who yell out we need police are the ones who want militarized police as they show the crime stats from the impoverished neighborhoods which are obviously galwed logic. We need to have a stronger police academy and a diverse type of first responders. Which would actually need a bigger budget but we can shrink the swat budget
I mean the Defund the Police movement and shift into community policing would be far better than simply disarming, because even though a unarmed police force would be better than an armed one, community policing would allow for true civilians to handle the personal issues of individuals better.
@@Nchinnam but the thing is that police aren't militarized, rifles are a great example. In this video he mentions the reason why officers have rifles and that's the 1997 bank robbery shootout where the robbers had armor which could withstand 9mm bullets, which are pistol rounds. Rifles fire bigger, faster bullets which can go through this body armor and that's why they were taken down, because SWAT came in and injured them with their rifles, contrary to what he says in the video which is completely wrong. Police only change if they need to, their gear reflects the situations they get into in the real world, most departments don't have money and actually can't train cops well enough or even give them body armor at times! Police with good training don't use their guns as much because they know what they're doing, that's why San Diego's police department is considered the best, lots of money, lots of training, less shootings, less crime even in a huge city which is a rare occurrence.
Phenomenal video. My mom unfollowed everyone that was anti-police (as they exist now) on all her social media and would rant about it constantly. But she watched your whole video and left saying "wow this was super informative", even if you drew similar conclusions. Keep changing minds and hearts man, you are an inspiration to us all.
Your videos just keep getting better and better. I never knew the true history behind policing, but honestly it doesn't surprise me too much. Brilliant. Thank you for creating content like this, it makes me feel a lot better to know we have information like this circulating.
If you were a long time viewer you would recognize how he evolved from a brilliant moderate guy who both sides could respect to a radical leftist who supports the defund the police movement.
@@DomiAngel He is very moderate. What you don't realize is that America is so far right that moderate views seem extremely leftist. I am extremely left. He is not. And that's okay. I'm sorry that wanting the best for people is evil to you, if you want we can have a discussion about American propaganda and how it has spun all humanist views into the realms of evil in order to support the capitalist upper class. I am super willing to have a proper dialogue with you. I'm just not going to try if you're going to continue being an asshole.
The sign of a truly mature thinker is the ability to reevaluate past ideals due to more modern or complete information. Don't be embarrassed by your past ideas now that you've changed them, be glad you were able to make the journey and grew as a person.
In my global history and security class we had an essay on how the Vietnam war affected both government policy and american culture, I was apparently the only student to connect the "war on drugs" to the anti-war movement.
I would like to say that i really admire your intellectual honesty in this video, especially when highlighting how, even after an extensive critique of SWAT teams, you still admitted that there was an intangible desire to have a team like that around. Excellent analysis in your video, thanks!
Police: Are these diecast? You: Y-yes... Police: DIE-cast! I fear for my life! *police empty 47 magazines into you and drop 17 firebombs on your house*
While the video itself was very informative, interesting and a very important view for a lof of people something I noticed is that the sources you have listed in the description contain no timestamps. Which means if I wanna fact check something you said I have to look into every single source and find the part you are referencing. I think it would be very helpful if you could put a timestamp next to the sources in the description or show the sources themselves in the video at the point of referencing them.
Nicely done. You did miss the Pulse nightclub shooting, where the Orlando Police entered the building initially, then retreated for 3 hours. How many injured people bled out and how many additional people were shot?
Not to mention the Good Guy with a gun that initially engaged the shooter in THE PARKING LOT and didn't prevent him from entering the building and carrying out the attack.
It's almsot like the shooter had hostages. You are supposed to do everything to save the hostages. He wouldnt even let them in the building. Stop cherry picking details.
DahVoozel Don’t need to prevent someone from committing an attack entirely, just to slow them down or hold them up temporarily. Granted most of the time people shouldn’t engage a shooter due to various risks involved to themselves.
"Wait, it's all state sponsored gangs?" Facts: "Always has been." Edit: I've gotten through more of the video and holy shit, the steps on engagement you listed for a gunner. Like, I knew police training was bad but I never knew how it was SO MUCH WORSE than military training. It's a horrific thought imagining that it might be safer to be an enemy combatant in a confrontation with the US military than be an unarmed black person interacting with a cop. Thank you for this (and all other) videos.
Mastercrazybird look up how many unarmed people have been killed by police then after that look up how many times people Interact with the police every year
Not gonna lie, the biggest "woah" for me in this video was that "small town" is between 25k and 50k people. *laughs in 7.5k population in 41sq. mi. town* Also if memory serves, the reason NASA (and the Air Force) have SWAT/Reaction teams is security against terrorist threats. The Post Office also maintains a SWAT-esque team.
Since you talked about police training. We have a local career school here. Basically people that wont go to college but go straight into a job during high school. There was a police class in there. Basically for four years it was run like a boot camp. Kids 14-18 trained everyday to have efficient gear, keep boots checked, and learning tactics. They even were handed batons to "patrol" their local students.
What a shock they all had a massive ego and basically acted like they were the law. And this was just in a small setting. They obviously want to be in the military, but don't want the hardships that come with it. They can dress up, patrol, and still go home to their family. It's just military LARPing
So, basically about the same results as the Stanford experiment?
Ayy the goats know each other
I knew someone who would plug walk around my school in a prc chinese civil war uniform for special occasions while he was in JROTC with me...
Edit: this has nothing to do with what you said but thought you would think it funny
don't care, didn't ask plus your white.
Cody out here spitting some facts
The nasa swat team is there to be the first response to a hell portal opening on mars
That’s Doom Guy’s job
@@isnitjustkit SWAT guy
The leader better be called the Slayer.
TBF, them having a defense force makes sense. I could easily see someone trying to steal info, sabotage, or commit an act of terrorism during a historical moment.
@@isnitjustkit Maybe Doom Guy is the commander of NASA's SWAT
My favorite out-of-context quote from this: "The problem is that there just aren't that many fortified drug labs in the U.S."
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I'd say the quote "gravity still works on bullets" is mine
While I was playing the video, I came across this comment right before he said it.
Walter White begs to differ.
The real problem is that there aren't enough citizens willing to make pipe bombs.
Coming back to rewatch this after seeing police take 40 min to stop the shooting in uvalde texas. Police putting their own safety above those they are supposed to protect. It was true at Columbine, and it's true today.
I understood why people say ‘Defund the Police’ when we saw Uvalde, Parkland, Las Vegas, and the 200+ Shootings we had this year
@@woahmannchill Exactly. They aren’t doing their jobs well enough with all the money anyway
Columbine was different. The police were trying to effect rescue operations and the suspects weren't actively engaged in harming people. Uvalde police is a testament to what happens when politicians are in public service but for the wrong reasons. Defending the police is ridiculous. You clearly don't know what, and obviously have no appreciation for, sacrifices people make in the name of public service. If anything the police need more funding. The problem is the allocation of funds and the spending being mostly in areas that don't benefit the public.
@@theghostinthemirror8158 taking money away from the public is a horrible idea and a practice that I doubt you have thought all the way through.
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Nothing ever earns as much credibility to an opinion as someone who says "I was wrong. Here's why, and how to learn from my mistake." Respect to you for always being a critical thinker!
Agreed. Sadly, too many people see admitting fault as a weakness and as lacking decisiveness.
I’m sorry but did you even watch the video. He clearly defined what the third admendment was and how the current police system is against it. Also if you were to look at the title, it was obvious this video was going to be about more then just the third admendmed
@Audiocronic it's not whining if he is showing how militarizing the police is affect minorities which is very racist
@Audiocronic the third amendment was addressed as such
There was no distinction between military forces and police at the time of the writing
Police forces have been gaining more and more militarized weapons and gear. However they are not receiving the same level of training or held up to the same higher standards.
Due to this the police are essentially a militarized unit without repercussions to heinous acts.
As for quartering troops, police ability to enter a person's home with. A no knock warrant and seize all assets while you prove yourself innocent, are directly affecting people's homes and livelihoods. Soldiers shouldnt be allowed to just barge in an gun people down without repercussions. The police is acting like a military unit and is doing this without those repercussions. Hence why the 3rd amendment is violated.
Maybe not word for word, but this was never the case. You need to look at the spirit of the law to determine its usefullne or lack thereof.
The spirit of this amendment was to keep people safe from a militarized state that the colonials were under Britain. And now we are under a militarized police force that is reacting with more for than necessary.
@Audiocronic You're like that kid with his fingers in his ears yelling "lalalala I can't hear you". You know very well his arguements are accurate but you choose to ignore them because they're inconvenient to your perspective, so you brush them off as "whining" rather than addressing them.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." -Commander Adama.
This line helped radicalize me toward police abolition. Talking to a family member who is a cop, and has major issues like nearing a divorce, severe PTSD, etc, was what pushed me over the edge.
Did you just quote Battleship Galactica, Admiral Adama?
@@cibo889 have you actually heard what abolitionists ask? You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. They do NOT ask to remove the police and leave a void.
@@cibo889 This man over here thinking these cities are like the ruins from fallout 😂😂
@@cibo889 Proof? What cities?
My neighbor is the head guard at the local jail. He has been fired from 5 counties, in 2 states. He's immediately hired in the next county. Our county has been sued for violating rights, naming him at the top. He's still employed, along with the other A-holes hired there.
Wow that is horrible! O_o
Unplug his fridge.
Illegal, & not possible. I've never been in his house.
There was a cop in Oklahoma, got fired for misconduct and allowed to be hired at a different city.
2 ways this is possible,either he is was fired doing the right thing but people thought it was wrong(even though Kyle was not a cop I’m using him as evidence of this) or he is actually a bad cop
The fact that the Uvalde shooting follows the exact same narrative, you described over a year ago, speaks volumes: the shooting ends when the shooter decides to end it, police don't run in to help (for their own safety), the school "resource officer" chickens out and runs, etc. It's depressing and heartbreaking and I wish for this to change.
And the court was like "the police aren't legally obligated to risk their lives". So ironic after two years of "blue lives matter cause cops risk their lives for our safety, they're so brave!"
There is a situation where that’s not the case. Such as the Aurora shooting that was stopped by a concealed carrier. The cops can keep basic peace but when it comes to extreme incidents it’s up to people who actually are willing to sacrifice themselves. That could be a cop or it could be a Good Samaritan. The fact that the cops basically did nothing of merit in uvalde in fact they held back armed parents from saving their kids while cops kids were extracted shows that when chips are down you and yours are all you can rely on.
You have to try to be the change. The system isn't going to reform just because we ask nicely.
@@AbandonedVoid I'm pretty sure you can't get the janitor to give you an A in English so...
@@jeffreygao3956 what?
I’m still watching this, but “I was wrong” instantly earns my respect. Everyone is wrong sometimes, and so few admit it. How can you trust someone who won’t correct their inevitable mistakes? Thank you.
Then the unthinking masses call you a flip-flopper and claim you cant be trusted to stand up for anything permanently ever again 🙄🙄🙄
This is a serious problem that we, as a society, need to address. People cause so much harm covering up their mistakes.
I think the WaPo report that came out about how the war in Afghanistan was basically a series of covering up failures is a great example of how harmful a societal value of never being wrong is. Japan’s conviction rate is another example. There are countless others.
Once we learn that mistakes are inevitable and acceptable only if we learn from them, I think our society will be happier and more prosperous.
@@Jesse__H Most pathological Flip Floppers don't admit they were wrong. They just assume the newer popular position and hope no one notices. But/So yes...the purity tests are often dispensed to those whom are being set aside for criticism for which the 'in group' is exempt.
i agree! This is what we need, people to provide information in this manner.
then you say something nasty on the internet and get doxxed over it a few years later.
This was about so much more than the 3rd Amendment. Wow. The most comprehensive American criminal justice video I've seen on TH-cam. Congrats for making such a great video.
It’s a pleasant surprise to see one of my favorite TH-camrs in the comment section of one of my other favorite TH-camr’s videos! Is this a crossover episode???
You act like he is a criminal justice expert and this video is as reliable as a criminal justice textbook
If you like this check out John Olivier!
@@jeremy5602 knowing better never said he was an expert, but he definate did his research, if you look at his description.
Do you know enough to dispprove him?
Tommie Dragon first off he didn’t say that most people who are killed are armed and dangerous, people usually use individual examples of bad cops to attack the police. he said that cops only respond to 4% of violent crimes but in The NY Times article when you look at it, it’s just for 3 departments on the source and just because it’s not violent doesn’t mean it’s not serious.
“I can assure it wouldn’t take six military squads 3 hours to clear a high school” facts.
with two dead gunmen
Even 1 military sqad would have emptied way in time.
He's literally back seat driving on an Operation that he has no experience in. In a warzone, you can blow up the high school if you suspect insurgents. In the police in peacetime, you can't without political blowback
@@edwardelric717 Yes I'm sure that the military would greenlight blowing up a whole school filled with children you are trying to save
@@edwardelric717
Yeah, um, the warzone you're describing would be a clear-cut war crime. Read the Geneva Conventions. And if police did that to your kid's school or any other, there should be far harsher consequences than just "political blowback".
watching this after uvalde just makes me angrier. when you work with kids, you can't help but think about what you'll do when it happens. and you always know: you'd die for them. without a second thought. that's what two teachers did that day, while the cops waited outside for a classroom full of 10 year olds to be slaughtered. they were too busy brutalizing parents for trying to save their kids. there were no good guys with guns that day.
Except the border patrol agent
From my understanding, the good guys with guns were all busy getting oc'd and tasered by the police who, for some reason, were more interested in stopping the parents and relatives of people in the school from getting in (including that one LEO whose wife was a teacher) than they were in stopping the actual mass shooting
There would be good guys with guns if the Military LARPers weren't harassing them to stay out so they wouldn't look bad.
Tbf to the parents, there absolutely were good guys with guns there. But they were put down by bad cops with guns and without morals. Fuck uvalde pd
"There was no difference between the military and the police"
**laughs nervously in brazilian military police**
Damn living under Bolsonaro sounds like a living hell
Lol Policía Militar be like
It´s even more fun because whenever someone says 'we need to demilitarize the police', a lot of folks think that this someone is asking for the end of all kinds of policing and is basically in favour of more crime, opinion that is constantly retrasmited and regurgitated by powerful politicians with interests in that.
And Even more fun knowing that a good part of said millitary police is involved in millitias which is basically mobs.
How this country hasn´t desintegrated into mad max yet is beyond me.
Most countries still have military-grade police forces, and there is a use for them, even here in the USA. But we don't need _civil police_ to be militarized. Most cops spend their days writing traffic tickets; they don't need body armor and high-capacity gun magazines for that. If they encounter a violent person during a traffic stop, they should retreat and call for backup, not attempt to handle it alone; and there is no reason they should need to be equipped to handle it alone, nor suffer the mental burden of thinking they need to handle it alone.
@@Xx_BoogieBomber_xX Brazil's police force was militarized long before Bolsonaro. Bope is Brazil's weapon in their "War on Drugs". They have harsher training than many countries' military.
Time Stamps
0:50- History of police
3:39- Community Policing
5:57- What is a crime
7:19- Explanation of crime
9:35 Police militarization
12:35- SWAT effectiveness
16:07- War on drugs effects on policing
19:50- Police tactics
23:04- Crime rate
26:49- Police Training
29:03- Police reform
31:26- Conclusion
Thanks
You’re a good man Charlie Brown, er, Zach 😉✌🏻🇺🇸
Where is the quartering of troops exactly?
thanbks
@@Monster11B It's a four part series
The War on Drugs is possibly the worst domestic decision the US government has ever made.
Edit: "Ever" is too strong a word... replace that with "in the last 50 years."
By a fucking long shot. Worse thing Reagan did
Arguable.
It was done in spite of the population to disrupt civil rights movements. Calling it a decision feels sorry.
Idk man, banning booze wasnt a great idea either
Yeah, I’m a Republican, but that was certainly a disastrous idea.
I remember couple months ago I played mincraft with this guy who lives in New Zealand. He had some drugs in his pocket when going into a nightclub. Police outside caught him and were gonna arrest him. He ran off and I laughed loudly saying how utterly crazy you'd have to be to run from the police. He chuckled but asked me why it's such a bad idea? I said they'd track you down or shoot you before you get more than 20 feet away. That's when there was a silence and he just quietly said. The police can't kill me where I live.
oh... right...
Drugs can kill you so pick ya poison
They often don't even in America unless you have a weapon
@drew3758t hey often dont but still do don't they? Even without weapons...
@@KazzoKiller3890 90% of the time they don't and of that 10% it's mostly because they have reason to believe you do.
@@drew3758the police once shot a fleeing man that was on a wheelchair to death
"Speed limits enforced by aircraft."
*Sees an AC-130 gunship flying overhead.*
I think I'll start driving slower from now on.
I've always wondered what that meant.
Violent2aShadow cod warzone vibes😂😂😂 speed and you get an air strike
🤣🤣🤣
If that happened that would be terrifying
*ENEMY AC-130 ABOVE!!!*
Yea but getting blown up by an AC-130 is a pretty awesome death, probably worth.
Saying the Praetorians chose the emperor "occasionally" is a bit of an understatement.
what do you mean choosing 5 emperors in a single year is too much
they also kill said emperor *occasionally*
“237 and the emperor is a bit dead”
*flops to the ground*
@@Kriegter Crisis of the Third Century intensifies
@@HMASbogan They deselected three emperors tops. The Gordion's found their own way out of office.
The apache 'rescue' helicopter.
A-10 RescueHog
*Insert outdated "I identify as a rescue helicopter" joke here*
This comment is art
AR(rescue)-15
And Rescue (AR) -15
As a law enforcement agent in Argentina and college student working to get my degree in criminal investigation...your video really has helped re-evaluate my convictions and personal views on policing despite living in another country and dealing with a different policing reality
At the end of the day, no one should be jailed or punished for exercising their human right to consume what they want and to make educated decisions about how they change their consciousness. No government body nor police force has any moral justification or right to throw people in a cage for exercising their cognitive liberty
“When you call something a war, pretty soon everyone’s running around acting like warriors” -Bunny Colvin
A quote from a cop. How quaint.
Civil asset forfeiture is evil! I had all of my property taken when I was moving across the country because I "had a suspicious and dangerous look" afterwards I was pretty much screwed. How to fight a theft when it's the cops?
Sue
Sounds like they emptied the UHaul you were renting and took your car that was in tow. 😡 Sue the bastards if you can and don't forget punitive damages
It’s very hard to win
@@ulfricstormcloak3657 It's perfectly legal. All objects can be theoretically used for crime (including cash) and that's the only justification they need.
aye 69th like
It's so easy to disregard just how short a period of time has passed. Thanks for this video.
Do not let the police
@Thepzy_ Feels like a million years, right?
wait. how did you comment 17 hours ago?
@@sanzhsn I'm a wizard.
@Thepzy_
Honestly, it feels like 4 months ago.
I am a marine corp veteran and i have caught so much flak when i have brought up the absolute lack of any roe and accountability of police i completely feel what you talked about in that portion of the video. Also good job on the video gave me a lot to think about.
"One shot, you don't empty your whole magazine into someone, that's a literal war crime"
Every CS GO, COD and BF player : Years of academy training wasted
He was wrong about that. His descriptions of the rules for use of force in the military were deliberately described to make it seem like they were more restrictive than that of US police. They weren't.
ShortStop what are the actual rules of force then
@@MewtwoStrikesThunder Not a veteran so discredit me as you will:
Things to keep in mind - Rules of engagement can supersede use of force continuum. Specifically the soldier's right to defend themselves and others. These rules assume an individual not clearly a combatant, if they are clearly hostile ROE is used instead.
1 Officer presence - Make your offical-ness known (uniform, vehicle, lights, other such ways)
2 verbal commands - What it says on the tin sure, but specific instruction is given on "giving consequence where legal" eg. "if you don't let us through you might get hurt"
3 open hand submission - hands on but don't hurt them, physically attempt to make them comply (move aside, disperse, etc). No tissue damage if possible but if it can't be avoided oh well. If they resist here pretty much auto 4. Some handbooks essentially lump 3 and 4 together.
4 hard control - Take them down, now you can hurt them. Don't kill or incapacitate. Handcuffs ok. If listed as its own thing it usually means that open hand is essentially shove them aside and hard control is get them out of the way maybe by taking them into custody
5 intermediate weapons - less than lethal deployment - this also usually stipulates that connective tissue damage is allowed. Incapacitation is allowed.
6 kill them - go for the kill, comply with current ROE standards of reciprocity (don't drop a kiloton bomb on a dude holding a pistol, don't make them suffer, etc) depending on the handbook hand to hand killing is A-OK as long as they don't suffer. The point of getting here isn't to get them to listen to you anymore its to make them. Not sure if medical aid is tended afterwards, it just sort of says "off the sucker" and that's it. I guess it assumes individual was a spy (for the purposes of UOFC: someone who is a combatant but was posing as non) and combat was inevitable. Interestingly most handbooks I saw point out that its war and suffering is inevitable.
I only checked general rules, ranger and navy UOFC handbooks so I might be misrepresenting something. I don't know if there are UOFC for long range combatants, I would assume "let an infantryman handle it when safe" would be part of it.
All for making a better police force but this seems a bit too heavy handed to be what we compare it to.
I always thought that rule was put in place to conserve ammo so soldiers don't willy nilly waste money.
not csgo lol
Geneva Convention? More like, Geneva suggestion.
It is enforced against non-American soldiers though. We have special courts setup for dealing with war crimes. The US just doesn't recognize it, just like a few other rogue terrorist states.
@@Carewolf I'm pretty sure it's down to just the US and North Korea
Geneva convention doesn't apply to police y'know.
(Wiggles gas grenade)
Carewolf well, every nation has signed the Geneva conventions, including North Korea even
We technically aren't allowed to use 50 cal snipers against foreign armies.
Thankfully, the Taliban isn't considered an army
This is fascinating to me because I'm a government teacher who's always dismissed the 3rd amendment. As a memory tool, I've taught that the 4th-8th amendments walk someone through the process from initial interaction with law enforcement to sentencing. But taking into account how "policing" was done in the 1700s, it makes more sense to frame the first 8 amendments in the same way, with the 1st amendment establishing the rights that might have a citizen encounter a law enforcement officer (whether a modern policeman or a soldier in the 1700s), initial concerns about the state of law enforcement (2nd and 3rd amendments establishing the right of the people to govern or police themselves), and then for the 4th-8th amendments to continue through the process. The first 8 amendments all tell the same story: the right of a citizen to believe, speak, and rebel, and the restrictions on the government in the process, which is exactly the kind of story the framers of the Constitution would have cared about.
Thank you for the added insights. They're worth considering, and with more research I'm going to reexamine my lessons on the topic.
This is awesome. What grade(s) do you teach?
@@formerfreak4943 citation needed.
@@BennyFitter I stopped taking Mises seriously after reading one of his stances on taxes. His argument was basically "Taxes will always make an economy less efficient", but like a paragraph later he also stated something close to "Never test if taxes actually make economies less efficient, though".
If you can't test it, it's religion, not science.
@@BennyFitter mises are delusional.
@@formerfreak4943 you still haven't provided evidence of your spurious claims
I've been in the fire department for about 4 years now, and I've had several interactions with our SWAT team. Since I work in a fairly low crime area, their existence is mostly justified by also having them cross trained in rescue/vehicle extrication. They don't do much even though they have a ton of fancy gear, and mostly show up to "help" at high profile scenes. The public is always a bit confused when they see people in ballistic helmets, vests, holding rifles at a rescue. The first time I saw them come to a scene I was working on, I was worried for a second because I thought I missed something and walked into a standoff. Turns out there was no police action needed besides an incident report to explain the accident, and we handled the rescue with no issue. I know they probably do more then just that, but it seems like they're paid to show up and watch firefighters work, while we (a volunteer agency) do the actual work. A lot of the time, they just leave a few minutes after showing up. If only the fire service or EMS could see some of that money...
Well...better that then busting doors for a couple of joints.
If I'm ever in critical condition I'd rather get care from fire and ems. People call the cops first and wonder why it takes you guys longer to get to the scene.
@@slitor definitely a good point
@@rexman971 Definitely. When it's strictly a medical emergency, we usually get sent out at the same time as the police, and usually make it on scene at around the same time. In that case, PD can generally just hang around for a bit to make sure everything is okay and then leave. When there's a potential crime at hand however, the cops go first and alert us if there's a patient, so it all depends on how the call is made.
And that's the point of defund the police - for fire and rescue you allocate money to people trained in fire and rescue, for medical emergencies you allocate money to people trained in medical assistance, for minor crime you allocate money to people trained in minor crime, for riot control you allocate money to people trained in riot control.
This brings memories of the Utøya Terrorist attack in Norway in 2011. The police did show up early, but was too scared to enter the island, and instead waited for backup, which meant that the shooter had plenty of time to kill people. Now things have changed; The first police officer on the scene goes in, without waiting for backup.
I read a very descriptive event of that horrible day, its extremely disturbing. I cannot believe the callous shooter is still alive today and gets to have a video game console in his cell, among other amenities.
@@mutalix Well, I prefer a criminal being locked away with a video game console to him being killed off. Capital punishment is a thing we used in dark ages, not modern societies.
@@wernerlindorfer3693 I find it concerning that America keeps a fraction of its citizens in prisons. I think a wider prison reform should come about as well.
@@theshamanite But how else are you going to get a free source of labour if you aren't allowed to imprison minorities for being accused of minor offenses?
@@mutalix What do you accomplish by killing off a man? Is it just an animalistic sense of revenge where it's satisfying to see him die?
SWAT is good at raiding twitch streamers tho
It's not like they know that they are twitch streamers...
@@sebastiantiainen2749 All you need is someones (anyone's) address..
@ALSO-RAN ! Yeah ofc, but easy enough to simply lie.
@ALSO-RAN ! I never understood how that worked. How the hell can you send a SWAT team to someone's house in less than a few hours without any investigation?
Military Police Teams can clear a school out in minutes and use the ROE correctly.
Makes me wonder what a day in the life of a NASA SWAT team member is like.
They probably go on "patrols" in moon rovers just for the heck of it.
Perpetual sitting on ur ass and equipment maintainance
Really. And now with the Space Force, they must really be bored.
Sitting back and reveling in the job security that comes with having a position specifically intended to keep budgets sky high
I know someone in the US Mint police. They are basically security guards held to very high standards. If you live by a mint I challenge you to find an unpolished boot or creased uniform.
“Risking you’re safety is you’re job though”
This Aged well
I really wish we could go a week without this video becoming relevant again
The sad part is that they’re not required to risk their lives. “Protect and serve” is a cute motto, nothing more
@@Ismael-kc3ry Protect and Serve Themselves is more accurate
@@absolutebonkers9735 lol yeah
@@oh_no_martians I was listening to 90s and 00s punk/ska and was left thinking the exact same thing. It's outrageous how much of our media is not only relevant but feels like the perfect description of the living nightmare we're dealing with now. I had little access to many of these songs and bands growing up, due to conservative restrictions (beyond the really popular ones and skater punk I encountered in video games) on radio. Out of three stations that played anything other than country, one only played the 5 top hits(literally some days. There is all to accurate pun off the station name about it), and the other two catered to oldies and soft rock.
Man, what a freaking slap in the face discovering some. It's disgusting to see how much worse it has gotten compared to then. And a history lover, it's absolutely sickening to see us going down the path that led to atrocities that should never be repeated. The attack on education is infuriating.
This community response agency that you proposed actually exists here in Germany.
It's called the 'Ordnungsamt' which means the order agency.
They are unarmed and deal with topically non-violent interactions.
We view them as another force for justice but more fitted for civil offenses.
I think we mostly view them as a possible annoyance to be avoided, right? :D
Well, I make sure to throw my cigarettes away properly and not on the ground when they are around, I wouldn't bother around a police officer.
Honestly surprised America can't have that
@@pifilixxiv3192 I am always surprised about fellow germans copying republican talking points on US-related slogans like "defund the police", without realizing we already have/did all of that (in some ways).
And jeah, talking to some US-citizens, its like... dude, we have that and its much better. Why do you get the idea that it would be 'socialism' or somehow impossible?
Austin Texas has a mental health response unit.
@@MannIchFindKeinName defund the police isn't a republican talking point. It's barely a democrat talking point
When the police came to me for a mental health crisis, all they did was lie to me about where they were taking me and then put me into an emergency room where they just sat me in a room and charged thousands of dollars for a complete waste of time that was reduced to only needing to pay hundreds after insurance. I didn’t even know they were taking me to the emergency room until after I had checked in.
Bro fucking same. i had an experience eriely similar to this. i was escorted into an ambulance by two ARMED cops after expressing suicidal ideations to a therapist as a teenager, they did not let me recant or leave, i wasn't even admitted to the hospital, just forced to sit through and talk to a pshyciatrist in the hospital. they tucking charged me 2500$ for the whole thing, when i did NOT GET AN OPTION TO SAY I WAS FINE.
after the whole ordeal they discharged me at 12:30 AM in a completley foreign location AS A MINOR with no idea how to get home or where to go, i wandered lost for hours. FUCK this country.
@@CoffeeKitty. So messed up, I’d be so traumatised
@@CoffeeKitty. I think I'd rather die than pay that bill
You can tell they really care about your suicidal ideations when they charge you up the ass for a talk you never asked for and then just throw you out of the car like piece of garbage
What would have them do instead then?
@@exeldofcanadia3461 did you not pay any attention at all to the video?
As a veteran i have the same take on it as you, if you want to use the weapon and and tactics of the military you should be held to the same standards.
Most units that do that stuff actually do
Dam I never knew that police call in A10 Warthog strikes, all carry machine guns and grenades, and use tanks with HE rounds. Oh right, that's because they don't.
@@josephpayne113 many SWAT units around the country carry assualt rifles and SMGs, SWAT and riot police often have gernade launchers and less lethal gernades
@Donald Trump r/wooosh
@@josephpayne113 so you're picking the things they don't have which is a red herring. For instance we take a kid of a really rich dad who has a Maserati, a Rolex, and a Ducati, but are saying ya buts not like the kid has a Ferrari and a Boat!
So... should the kid have a Maserati? Or is it ridiculous to think the kid should probably only have a Honda Civic. Oh and the kid blew the engine on the Maserati and crashed his Ducati because of course he's a little shit with too many toys and no responsibilities
One correction I'd like to make is that the Praetorians were bodyguards. The real town watchmen were known as vigiles and could also be mobilized if the town were to come under attack. They filled the actual "policing" role.
Like in vigilante?
@@jeffreygao3956 Same root word. Same as "vigilance" and just "vigil", which means "watch".
🤓
@@aedes947 That emoji could describe all of this guy's videos
@@bernardi5919 TBF, if I didn't saw your comment, I would do a similar one about the subject
I kind of wish you had mentioned the Supreme Court case "Castle Rock v. Gonzales". The result of which is that the whole "protect and serve" motto that the police are always using is basically just lip service and that they are not required to do either of those things.
I'd never heard about the specifics of military rules of engagement until now.
I live with a vet. I come from a military family. It always boggles my mind when people don't know some of the most common rules.
That being said: It also hurts my brain knowing how many people I love have been in the military, and supports the local police force saying "If we could have just done this in Iraq. :(
@@Giganfan2k1 Which is why laws are supposed to be put in place to curtail vigilantism.
We had a real nice one. The roe said "Defensive fighting only". Yeah, in what was a warzone when the first batches arrived.
.....But we'd had years of shit insurgents spilling into the valleys, ussually from the same place. They could pop up all over the place that way and it needed stopping. We needed to deny them movement.
So they plonked down a big OP at the mouth of the valley where it transfered to mountain streams with cliffs, where all the shit ussually came from, as a big big 'Hi, come shoot at us, since we're the first thing you see'.
Insurgents obliged and shot at the fortified OP, often to little effect, but serving there was nerve-wrecking (I heard, I never did). And if the insurgents did that, we'd be like "Hey, they're shooting at us. Time to send a combat patrol around to do some defensive fighting".
The politicians at home were happy that we were only fighting defensively, and we did secure the region that way.
@ And were you defending your own country and not perhaps being an occupying force in someone else's? Because by default you can't really do "defensive fighting" when you are engaging in an offensive action like an occupation or an invasion. But if indeed the country was yours and you were defending it then I can understand the irony of this.
They've changed significantly from whenever he was there.
In Afghanistan 2014 we were taught to use reasonable force, totally dispensing with the use of force continuum because it's bullshit.
We were told if they're getting to close, get their attention somehow, if they're still ignoring you open fire. Absolutely no warning shots.
IE warning shots were a violation of our ROE. You are accountable for every shot fired.
Most situations, if you're at the point of shooting, you're already being shot at. And not being able to shoot an armed fleeing combatant is complete bullshit. If I hadn't seen stupider shit I would say that was a lie, but I can't say that. Doubt of your target is one thing, civilians do have guns there and do carry them, but if they were just shooting at you, you shoot them back, even if it's in the back.
For example of reasonable force, on my first time out a kid, probably 12 - 14 threatened me with a rock to give him a water bottle. Normally, with a helmet on, that wouldn't have been a serious threat... but I was dumb, in experienced, and in the back of an MRAP with my helmet off. These kids could bust headlight on an armored vehicle from 30 feet, and my head was a juicy target for that little shit. I was genuinely worried I'd be killed, but I was also didn't want to shoot him but had no other options.
I very quickly tried to think of what use of force I could use to protect myself... do I run out there and beat him? Do I throw something at him?
I just sat there with a dumb look on my face until someone walked between me and the kid and I put my helmet on. The kid threw the rock and hit my partner in the shoulder, bruising her so badly she went to the hospital on base.
Looking back, I did mostly the right thing. I learned from the mistake and carried a pistol from then on, in addition to my rifle. (Pistols are rare for soldiers btw, I had one because I'm public affairs and we borrowed extra pistols from the special forces group in our state. )
Let me explain that a bit. Afghan culture really runs on respect. Literally the Afghan soldiers who intentionally shoot up American soldiers most often were caused because that soldier had been disrespected and the way they get respect back is murdering the people related to the one who insulted them. They don't swear, and if you correct someone in their culture, you do it in an inoffensive way. Essentially the opposite of an American infantryman.
Even a mustache I grew for a month garnered me a lot of respect. People would come to me, a lower enlisted to ask me things instead of the clean shaven Sergeant Majors I was following. Having the name Solomon even got me a lot of respect from anyone who could read any English(basically everyone who could read).
Culturally a pistol was a much more prestigious weapon, and by drawing it would have likely driven him away without trouble, and if he called that bluff then fuck me.
*THE POINT*
Still, in this case, with a pistol, the reasonable force would have been to not take my helmet off in the first place and brandish the pistol.
and if he threw the rock then suffer the injury because I'm literally three times his size and covered in bodyarmor, and have ok healthcare.
Police: "we'll stop and frisk people who look nervous"
Lots of people: *gets nervous b/c there's a police officer there*
So like Antarctica?
@Donald Trump i heard a lot of officers quit there 🤣
@Jason Dubya-DEEZNUTS no no people with low social skill or who can't find their drivers license and don't remember where in the car it is too ger nervous or people who think they accidentaly speeded or something else all will be nervous
@@NanClaymore
Completely wrong.
Whole lotta bootlickers in this thread
I never forget my experience in your fair country, in particular New Jersey where the police pulled me over for speeding and since I got out of the car faster than the officer expected me to the next thing I could see was a gun barrel a few centimeters from my face.... for speeding.
yep. sums it up right.
That's why you don't get out of the car
@@Mothlord03 Almost everywhere else you get out of the car. As foreigner visiting the US you are in deadly danger. I simply cannot advise anyone to go on vacation in the US, or even longer. I'd rather say people go to the Iran or Saudi Arabia, since there the rules you have to play by are clear. In the US, any trivial thing you may do may get you killed for no reason.
And yes, you read right, I consider Saudi Arabia or Iran less dangerous for European travellers than the US. And those are known oppressive countries.
@@VulpesChama plus dead bodies can't give their testimony so the police can make up anything they want after they shoot someone and get caught. So many cases this has happened in i don't even think i can fit it in this comment. Do not set foot into america, especially if you look foreign. You will be treated worse
You don't get out of the car, you put your hands on the wheel and ready your papers as soon you stop
Being born well after woodstock i had no idea that the drug use was legal. Many other good examples in your video. Great job as always!
Everything but the obvious stuff was legal before somebody got uppity about it.
Well, it was more of an issue of when and how much the federal government got involved. States varied, and local governments varied within states. For instance, some states or local governments criminalized marijuana to target Latino Americans and/or African Americans. Some have been run by people with puritanical beliefs. Some still ban alcohol sales, even though it has contributed to more driving under the influence.
But the Nixon administration certainly amped up the War on Drugs to target Vietnam War protesters, civil rights protesters, and hippies and African Americans in general because they were unlikely to vote for Nixon and his kind.
technically LSD was criminalized a year before Woodstock. earlier cannabis laws were found unconstitutional in Leary v. United States but that was quickly changed in 1970
@@zacharywebb3071 But the court didn't find that the law was unconstitutional because of it prohibiting cannabis, they found it unconstitutional because in order to pay the tax in states were weed was illegal, one would have to incriminate themselves, which would violate the 5th amendment.
It wasn't "legal". Like you couldn't just sell heroin at the 7/11. It just wasn't really criminalised yet. I mean cocaine was once a medicine treated in basically the same was as aspirin or caffeine today, but not most drugs. But part of that just comes down to them not really being as prevelant at the time.
Here in Finland, we also have militarized police, but none of the same problems.
Our cops have pistols on them (unlike Norway and the UK) and they have SMGs, shotguns and shields in their patrol vehicles. We also have a Swat (called Vati) on every Police Department and a counter terrorist unit called Karhu-ryhmä.
Our police also have armored vehicles, granted not as big, if someone wants to Google, it's the "Mercedes-Benz G280 CDI LAPV 5.4"
Also the military (police) help with almost every large incident, if not directly, by lending equipment, including similar giant armored vehicles.
Gun ownership while granted not close to the US, is in the Top 5 per capita in the world.
Yet the number of shots a year can be counted with one hand. The number of people killed by police in the last decade can be counted with one hand. Granted our population is much smaller, but you can compare it to cities or some states atleast.
I think the biggest difference is that our training requires you go to a university that lasts 3 years (2 in school, 1 in training) and until relatively recently, also required atleast 6months in the military, which 90% of cops still do.
I think the biggest difference is you're a very homogeneous country with a low population
@@cgmason7568 Thanks for the race baiting, bro. It was wonderful
90%+ of Finnish people trust the police too, according to polls. Whatever you're doing, other countries should take note
@@cgmason7568 nice meme
@@cgmason7568 ok, let's look at Finland's neighbor: Russia. Even more militarized police, compared even to the US (all law enforcements are paramilitaries, all possess armored vehicles, some possess tanks and attack helicopters). If you're an actual danger (like an armed terrorist), they'll level a house you're in with machine gun or autocannon fire and grenades. Regular patrol officers are often armed with automatic rifles, stationary officers at points of interest in cities are almost always armed with automatic rifles. Yet they almost never actually shoot people. Russia isn't a homogeneous country with a low population, hence why it has comparable violent crime rates to the US. It has the same drug criminalization problem, even worse than American. There aren't as many guns, but criminals have better access to automatic and heavy weaponry (RPGs and stuff like that), semi-automatic firearms with unlimited magazines are also legal, although they aren't used in crimes often (they're used in less than 0.1% of violent crimes). So, with so much in common, why police shootings aren't?
As John Maynard Keynes said: (paraphrasing) "There's no problem in being wrong ... the problem is if people take too long to notice you're wrong."
Funny because Keynes has always been wrong
Johann Diaz lmao mises fucked up so ducking bad man
@@johanndiaz8695 I'm not sure that's true ... always is too much. Do you think Friedman and Hayek were always right? (no pun intended).
"It aint what you dont know that gets you into trouble, it's what you know for sure that just ain't so" -frequently miscredited to Mark Twain
@@johanndiaz8695 funny, since it's pretty much what every government is doing now. Even the US government, although on smaller scale.
I've had extremely mixed experiences with cops. When I lived in a small town as a teen/young adult they'd harassed me alot but nothing serious, hell they even gave me a ride home from the bar a couple times. I moved to the city last this past year an I had them accusing me of affiliating with people I don't even know, got stopped walking by the police station because I had my backpack an I looked "suspicious" I had one threaten to kick the shit outta me because the wind caught my cigarette smoke an it went into his face. Like there are some decent cops but alot of them in it for the power trip.
That's actually one of the biggest things that police reformers, city and local governments, city planners, and even TONS of former police advocate for: *connection with the community.* When you have a bunch of officers who don't live in the areas they patrol, never talk to the people that live there, and only ever exist in these places purely whenever they get a call, it's no wonder that suddenly power trips, prejudice, assumed guilt, and constant paranoia suddenly take over any reasonable and sensible readings of the situation.
I have a similar experience. In my small town,the officers were mostly alright. In a larger town (like 40,000 people), a police officer pulled me over for no reason- he claimed I “cut him off” when I made a right turn. I was an RA in college and was back to school in the summer for training. First, he accused me of stealing my car because my parent’s name was on the title. Next, he asked me where I was going and I told him the name of the dorm where I was working. I was an RA in an athlete dorm, so it was a “party” dorm. He then asked me, without knowing I was in that dorm because I was an RA, if I was drunk then if I was high. Then he repeatedly asked me if I have ever been drunk or high in my whole life- since I was only 20, he thought he could trap me. I truthfully answered no. He then asked me if I’ve ever drank alcohol or smoked pot in my whole life, and I said no. I was glad someone else was in the car with me because this officer was creeping me out. If I was alone, who knows what he would have tried to do? *shivers*
@@iHeartPiMore Using the criminalization of marijuana for what it was intended for, a tool for the police to trap and harass innocent people
@@iHeartPiMore my dad who’s a MP in the army once got harassed by racist cops in a sundown town in Georgia. He’s a black man and if wasn’t in his uniform he probably would’ve been arrested. My dad used to be a civilian cop, but a lot of his coworkers were racist and actively discriminated against him. Plus my dad had a college degree in criminal justice and psychology and was basically more educated than his superiors. He quit and became a correctional officer and even they have more training and more restrictions than street cops.
Don't you know that tobacco use is "illegal" in 2022? Hence the prohibition on it. In Illinois, it's illegal to smoke inside *any* building in the state. Yes, that means your home and apartment. It's in my lease. Everything else is "2 lease violations in a 12 month period" -- but not tobacco use. You get caught smoking a cigarette, cigar, or vaping in your apartment -- you are gone. Immediate eviction. You can't even smoke within 15 feet of **any** building opening (door or window if the window can open). That means for our apartment building, you can't even smoke on the sidewalk. It's only 10 feet from any door or window. Welcome to the world of tomorrow. Funny, they never told us about all of this back then.
The last time I was this early, the military was still the dominant police force in the United States.
Police not Military Police.
Hey! your one of my favorite channels! I love your content
@Egg T yeah him, hes a good channel, he doesn't have a lot of subscribers though
@@TreeSnowFence Thanks! It's always nice to see viewers in the wild haha
You know the content is good when you don’t want the video to end
Agree I feel this topic could use a part 2, military police is such a wierd concept and after doing some history research the police is actually a new modern concept
I was actually disgusted to know that it took police almost 3 hours to attend to a person bleeding out because they believed that it was too dangerous for a police officer to go in during columbine.
They failed to protect and serve in every regard that day
And most days, honestly.
Now imagine that the building had been on fire, instead.
"No, we cannot send a rescue in, the risk of losing a firefighter is too high."
"But there hasn't been even smoke in the past 3 hours."
"Yeah, but... the doorhandle looks kinda warm."
MrSamulai Fire is predictable humans are not.
@@thedemogamer6595 It's amazing on how many levels that sentence is wrong.
No different from people cosplaying as soldiers, doesn't matter that your equipment is functional when you don't have the training or courage to use it when there's lives at stake.
A good man avoids making mistakes, but a great man has the courage to admit his mistakes and correct them. Well done!
25:25 "we're the only country they punishes drug use like this." Malaysia: "individuals arrested in possession of 50g or less of [cannibis] will be sentenced to imprisonment of up to 10 years." 200g or more you are considered a trafficker and receive a mandatory death penalty. (Love your show though. I figured you'd appreciate the fact check.)
south east asia wylin
Ya that was a horrible point he made there
Avram Paul the USA still does suck at drug policy.
@@richpotter most countries do
meanwhile in the philippines....
Get me a donut.
Knowing Better ok
Everyone needs a Donut right now tbh.
You better give me some pushups for it.
Here you go 🍩
D o n u t
Regarding police's effectiveness at dealing with criminals, there is also a sense of denial. We want to believe that calling the police can and will save us from life or death situations. It is a false sense of security.
This is why dispite me being very critical to gun violence, i still prefer people arm themselves and protect each other
The thing is according to a ruling by the supreme court the police have literally no obligation to "protect and serve" anyone.
@@genieglasslamp5028 Was gonna comment on exactly that.
Anyone who thinks the cops have any responsibility to protect or help anyone can just ask the two women who were held hostage at gunpoint and raped multiple times over the course of half a day or more about it. SCOTUS told them "Nope, cops had no particular responsibility to help you. Get fucked."
@ALSO-RAN !
Look, I know the US is different, BUT major police forces like the German, British, Dutch & Swedish police all manage to resolve almost any situation non lethally with even FIRING less than 100 shots per year total.
@@Minecraftrok999
Nah.
"...They turned many previously innocent people, who were minding their own business, into criminals."
You sir. have just described much of the apparent purpose of the ATF, well done.
ATF and especially the DEA. Both should be abolished.
"We have to go in and save that teacher from dying."
"It's too dangerous the shooter killed himself two hours ago, who knows how many officers would lose their lives."
To be fair, the Columbine shooters did booby-trap the building with homemade bombs.
Theyre not teained to deal with wounded people. Some of them could pass out when they see blood and knock their head
@@deusexaethera they should be able to identify those and disarm them, it's their job
"Ya we have high end body armor and high end rifles but what if i get shot at tho?"
And then they pat their backs on how well they responded
I think you can add the privatization of prisons to the increase in prison population as well. Great video.
He has a video on privatized prisons that's really good
Really this video is embarrassing failure in every way.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 really? why?
@@bazdotorg just listen to what he said in the video, The absolute most embarrassing stupid line which is just the left wing talking point actually it’s not a left-wing talking people on the left wing are smart enough not to say something that’s stupid it’s not that people commit more crime it’s just that we’ve expanded the definition of crime that literally doesn’t make any sense that’s the equivalent of saying it’s not that people are breaking more rules it’s just that we’ve made more rules OK that’s complete nonsense, this is just anti-cop propaganda. This video made me almost wanna unsubscribe to him I do enjoy a lot of his videos but this video is an absolute embarrassment.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 okay ben shapiro profile picture.
"We're the only country that punishes drug use like this." You're right, in the Phillipines you can be shot to death on sight if you're doing or dealing drugs.
I don't see how that could possibly generate billions of dollars for the prison industry. The Phillipines are doing it wrong.
I don’t understand. Are you suggesting we shoot on sight?
Drugs laws are unenforceable. The Phillipines are an island...
We constantly take in migrants and asylum seekers escaping violence in south and Central America.
Violence caused by gangs that... sell drugs.
Violence that could possibly be eliminated if we made it legal and not an underground big business opportunity.
It would help with immigration, too.
It’s like a Republican wet dream.
@@Gizzy411 these cartels cant be stopped anymore. They have too much power.
@@tolkienfanman1 Regardless of the effectiveness of it, on principle that's wrong.
He means developed countries which are wealthy enough to have no excuse for this kind of shit. And what country was the Philippines most recently a colony of?
Small point, the first police force to be founded in Britain was the Glasgow police force in 1800, a full 29 years before London. Love the vid.
the part about the sheriffs, their duties and how crime was fought with posses and militias makes the whole thing around billy the kid make SO much more sense
Wait, I didn't find his story to 'not make sense' to some degree, what exactly are you referring to?
@@faisal3398
Could be the deputization of Billy and the other Regulators, and the deputization of the Murphy-Dolan forces (who I don't think had a cool nickname), and the result being two competing posses operating at odds to each other while still technically both working within the bounds of the law.
Another instance might be the Earp Revenge Ride with a similar case of rival deputized factions operating against each other.
"Criminalizing things creates criminals" gee who would've thought
Well, yeah. Nixon went hard with a drug war specifically to f*ck political enemies.
He skipped over the arbitrary criminalization of firearm ownership
@A Fels Junkies what now? Do you even America, bro?
@A Fels Delusional. "Legalisation of booze made the mafia more powerful." which America do you live in? I live in the one where the Mafia was mainly only a thing during prohibition and was finally broken by the RICO laws in the 1990s, near the end of the Drug war.
@A Fels The golden age of the Mafia was ended by the end of prohibition because they lost their primary source of revenue. They still had other sources, like gambling and prostitution, but they were a shell of what they once were.
2:50 they also killed 15% of the Emperors, and almost all of the good emperors were killed by them (Aurelian, for example)
So you're saying the Secret Service should kill Emperor Trump?
Aurelian filled their hearts with envy and resentment.....
@S E Mrs.Gandhi's case was way more complex....I'm an Indian...I know
@S E The comparison is stupid but its like Indira Gandhi was Hitler and her guards were jewish isn't it?
That's how dictatorships work.
Man, what a good video. The part about proactive policing really hits. I'm "visibly" neurodivergent (I'm autistic and mentally ill) and often the way I act comes off as odd or suspicious to people, which in reality is either me just feeling scared or overwhelmed by my surroundings, or just... my way of existing normally. Cops scare me so much; it's a very real and terrifying possibility that one day a cop will decide I'm being too suspicious not to detain me and there is no way for that to end well for me.
One suggestion - can you turn the background music down to about 50% of current volume. It doesn't add much when it's competing with the oration.
Agree
25% lower would work for me.
I have no problem with it.
That wasn’t a problem for me till I read your comment... -_-
I disagree.
I remember my dad going through the RoE when he was a squaddie. He said you can only start battle drills after you've come under "effective enemy fire" which when I asked him, he said: "well effective enemy fire means when a series of rounds land around you or whistle past you or if Steve, your patrol buddy, gets shot." Which brings some perspective on the use of force in the armed forces, let alone the police.
Ah yes risk getting killed before starting a battle.
@@drew3758 No, it's more like "don't act like you're under fire until it is undeniable", because that is better than committing a war crime by firing on unarmed civilians because you got jumpy.
@@guardingdark2860 that ends up in cops dead at traffic stops which is why their on edge because by the time your under fire unless their aim is really bad then your wounded or dead.
@@guardingdark2860 also I was referring to the police not war
@@drew3758That's the risk they take. As was said in the video, you don't get the glory and respect that they want without earning it. If they want to reduce their risk, they can petition lawmakers to change the culture in this country like the rest of us. Until then, they have to accept the risks that have been set before them, because it is clear that they have merely offloaded the risk from them onto the people they are supposed to be protecting and serving.
And yes, I know you were referring to police. That doesn't make the killing of unarmed civilians any more acceptable. I was highlighting that when it comes to lethal force, we shouldn't pretend like it's different when it comes to cops. If anything it's worse because soldiers in an active war zone are justified in being jumpy by default, but a cop doesn't have that justification by default. Or at least, they shouldn't, and that's where changing the culture comes in.
Fun Fact: Tallahassee, FL have the 3rd oldest police focre in the US. Just Imagine Florida man in 1800s 🙄
@John Huffington I'm assuming you're saying that because of his bad grammar, which is dumb because yours is bad too
So many kerosine explosions
>>> FL have the 3rd oldest police force in the US
~Imagines a team of 80yr-old Florida police officers on mobility scooters chasing down a 90yr-old great-granny on a mobility scooter who's made a break for it after a bingo night went south~
Reda Akn frrr if your gonna be the grammar police do it right
@@coolthefool1 I'm not a grammar police, I'm just pointing out his hypocrisy
I've only had a singular interaction with an armed police officer. My grandfather used to use a pellet gun to shoot squirrels in our backyard to keep them out of our pecan tree. A neighbor called the police and told them it was a firearm. The only way that pellet gun would have killed even a squirrel is if you held it down and put the barrel against its head. Police showed up, I got my grandfather and then stood by while he talked to them. The greenest of green officers put his hand on his gun and barked, "get your hands out of your pockets," when I put my hands in my pockets. Flimsy knit shorts' pockets. I couldn't hold a cellphone in those things without my shorts being on the ground. You'd have needed a slow-motion camera to see my hands go up. The senior officer gave him this, "really idiot," look. If I were black, chances are, my name would be in those BLM protests.
Cops are cool...Go hang with your BLM buddies..Give them a Donation while your at it...Burn some guys business down also..Yeah BLM is great...
It's amazing what you can hold within a waistband of tighty whities, or even just prisonwallet.
Hope that officer learned to be better or at least was dressed down by his superior.
@@WingMaster562 We don't have a lot of officer involved shootings here, but I doubt he got more than that dirty look I mentioned.
@@Craxin01 of course you don't dress down an officer publicly.
@@WingMaster562 No, I mean I doubt he got dressed down even later. Discipline isn't exactly high among police unless or until someone dies needlessly, and sometimes not even then.
There was no FEDERAL drinking age until the seventies. States had their own
There still is none, I believe. BUT if the state wants federal funding for roads, they must raise their drinking age.
@@fizban7 Correct, good sir.
Fun fact: in the great state of Wisconsin, you can legally drink alcohol when with your parents with their approval before the age of 18!
Now you know why half the state has beer guts before 20.
@@samuelzuleger5134 Virginia has the same exception.
fizban7 Fun fact, it was Ronald “the nine scariest words in the dictionary are I’m from the government and I’m here to help” Reagan that barred federal funding for roads from states that wouldn’t comply.
@@samuelzuleger5134 meanwhile in europe: beer and whine, 16. Everythingelse: 18
Been away for a while and found that this is still one of the most interesting and profound channels I have come across so far. And - as a foreigner to the US - very happy to see this kind of reflection in the US.
Indeed
This channel and Hassan minhaj patriot act taught me more about the US then 2 decades of Hollywood entertainment.
@@Xavier-kq9hp Well it’s entertainment, it’s not meant to teach you about a country.
@@jiraffe9600 ikr, if you’re trying to learning actual history or culture, why would you only look at Pop culture centers? Hollywood isn’t designed for factual retelling and nuance, it’s designed for profit via entertainment. If you go into movies thinking everything’s going to be realistic and educational, then at that point that’s kinda your fault you don’t know anything.
I never liked the defund the police movement, but you explained it perfectly, I’m fully on board.
An oft-neglected factor to the high incarceration rate in the US is also the fact that many prisons are for-profit private enterprises. They have contracts with the counties they operate in, and if the counties can't provide enough inmates they have to pay the prison for being empty. This leads to judges putting people in prison for laughable offences, not because the citizen needs correction but because the county can't afford to let them walk.
I can confirm. I was arrested on false charges from an angry ex and I was put in with the murderers and rapists in max block. There were eight of us. Within a week, that jail was packed full. The local police arrested people at a higher rate until the jail was full and then the next people arrested were given low cost bonds, in and out in a day. I had no criminal charges until this and they wouldn't give me a bond for 30 days.
Before I heard of it, I hadn't heard of it either. ;) That doesn't make it false information, though - a new for-profit private prison complex is only built if there's a profit to be made in the first place, so before so much as laying the first brick they make contracts with the surrounding authorities that this prison will be able to keep their staff hired even when there's a sudden drop in crime, otherwise they'd just have to shut down and free all their residents, and we don't want that, right? So the counties either pay for the prison to stay operational, or they make it someone else's (read: the state's) problem by providing inmates.
Also, think a bit about the mechanics of cause and effect. Hint: you do not have worse people than everywhere else in the world.
Actually only 8% of the US prison, population, state and federal, are by private facilities.
25:24 I'm assuming when you say "we're the only country that punishes drugs like this or has militarized police" you mean only western country? I've travelled a lot... and a lot of countries have militarized police with armoured vehicles driving around on the streets. Also, some countries give you several years in prison no questions asked for marijuana possession.
About that. I feel that a lot of people dont understand how bad it is in some countries outside of the western countries.
Yeah. Im pretty sure you get the death penalty in Hong Kong for carrying weed
I mean, shoot, in Singapore, possessing any kind of narcotic or illegal drug is punishable by death. Even for smaller crimes like vandalism, you get beaten with a cane until the officer thinks you learned your lesson.
I mean it makes sense to compare the US police to the ones in European and Anglo-American Democracys, because they have similar values, institutions and cultures. Of course there are parts of the world that have militarized police forces and hard drug laws, but you wouldn't consider these places to be on pare with western democracies in the form of civil liberties and freedom of religion and speech. And in comparison to like-minded countries such as Australia, Germany or Sweden, the US sticks out like a sore thumb.
But the thing is that all of this war on drugs started by the US government during Nixon administration. They lobbied the whole world to follow suit, most importantly the poorer nations during their military dictatorships like in Latin America...
When due process fails us, we really do live in a world of terror.
Denton, we need you now more then ever. Get out of the women's restroom and SAVE AMERICA
@@heraldofoblivion499 Maybe you should try getting a job.
a society
@@chipskylark5500 Sticks and stones.
@DANIEL BIN OMAR - I’m not gonna stand here and listen to you badmouth the greatest democracy the world has ever known.
Also, it reminds me of an analogy where you apply the excuse of a few bad apples in the police force to another profession. Like airline pilots. Imagine having an airline where a few of the pilots had a tendency to put their plane on autopilot at low altitude and then throw random people out the door just because they had a hunch that you were probably going to be trouble on the trip.
The police, like airline pilots. Are jobs that really, in any sane world, should not accept or tolerate the existence of bad apples.
Weird analogy, but I can see where you’re coming from.
Crazy that so many proponents of police millitarization also use the bad apples analogy when the full quote in context is actually against their position
@@arcadeinvader8086 Ah come on, its not like the US is good with grammar and stuff. Pulling oneself up by the bootstraps was used to show how ridiculous something is. "I could care less" (JUST READ THAT... NO SENSE!)
Countries have been trying "preventative punishment" for centuries. Once upon a time, England executed an 8-year-old for stealing a cup. "A man doesnt hang for stealing a horse, but that horses might not be stolen." It didn't work then, it won't work now.
You'd think at some point we would learn our lesson.
Make no mistake, the system IS WORKING AS INTENDED.
Oh my lord, "the quickest way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to wait until that bad guy stops himself" made me howl
You'd think a cop would be able to beat a common criminal if he/she tried.
@@jeffreygao3956they were able to at nashville
@@drew3758 At least that's something.
If you’ve ever jaywalked you’re technically a criminal.
"Technically"
Almost got a ticket for jaywalking but he got called away for an actual emergency. But then like a year later I was at the train station and I had to cross the tracks. When I was like right on the tracks the barricades started coming down because a train was coming so I ran as fast as I could and ducked under the barricade in front of me so I like, wouldn’t get hit by a fucking train and I got a ticket for that. Literally the most stupid bullshit ticket I’ve ever received.
omg I love your profile picture!
If you've ever owned an orange, you're a criminal. This country is fucked.
If you’ve ever killed a bug you’re technically a murderer.
"This vehicle purchased with drug forfeiture funds" stickers now make me angry every time I see them.
heard of a guy who moved to the west coast, didn't want to pay the wiring fees for about around 64 grand in cash and him and his dad felt it was fine to cross the country with that money in his car trunk for the move. Of course an Arizona deputy pulled them over, saw ALL DAT CASH and seized it.
@@dragonsword7370
If it's the same case I'm thinking of, the cop called the father - who was a 60 year-old African American man - "boy".
@@warriorwaitress7690 Could be, what's rather angering and sad is that we could be referencing multiple incidents of what should be Illegal State seizure of peoples property.
@@dragonsword7370
Agreed, it's so effed up. Such a twisted law, where the property is the defendant. That's why you'll see cases on the docket with strange names like "US vs One 2007 Toyota Camry" or "US vs 14 Malaysian Sculptures". Even worse, the burden of proof is on the property owner to provide evidence that their property is not guilty, rather than the government proving that it is. Doesn't matter whether or not the property owner has been duly convicted of any crime, nor even charged with one.
I read about another case where a young man was arrested for selling a couple of dimebags of weed to a police informant from the front porch of his parents' house. Despite there being zero evidence that the parents were in any way involved or even aware of it, police seized the house.
And in another case, police seized a guy's motel (worth $2 million, I think) because of some drug activity from a guest, EVEN THOUGH the motel owner was actively assisting police in arresting the guest.
If you get pulled over with a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars in cash, fuhgeddaboutit.
Every person in the US should memorize these 12 words:
"Officer, I'm not resisting, but I do not consent to a search."
I remember being 14 years old on my way home from school to find my entire block covered in police cars. my dad had a history of mental illness and depression. he was sitting in the house with a 22 caliber single action revolver if I remember correctly. I saw several AR 15s and shotguns and I wanna say 6 police cars but there could very well have been more. I can say with certainty that if he stepped outside the front door and moved too quickly, the entire front door could've been obliterated. for one guy, with a small caliber revolver. I don't blame the use of guns there. he was armed and dangerous and you can't risk someone getting shot. but you don't need a small army to deal with one guy with a small gun. just one police officer who feels a little too threatened and the entire house could light up
This here is great Coverage, but why stop here? Some More News, the Channel, has loads of fact-filled videos about BLM, the Police and even just the Concept of 'Problems'.
Why not just have cops trained to be able to calm distressed people down?
@@legion4698 they should absolutely be but sometimes force is necessary. However, they aren't trained to properly deal with a threat that requires force either
@@legion4698 FINALLY A REASONABLE PERSON
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Tellin yah every part of that bill of rights is important to the modern day just watch
Now that we know the history holy crap you're absolutely correct and it makes me want to research all the amendments and their historical context
Watch me sue some mfer for 25 bucks and take it to trial 😎
It's mainly so the government doesnt just take it away. Plus it also assumes some basic rights are protected with the 9th amendment
@Joseph Mainville I think the Constitution is more about what the government can't do and less about what the people can't do.
@Joseph Mainville That's the nature of government. It collects power and centralizes until the elite eventually control everything. At the same time people call for government to save them from thier problems, giving the government more power. The constitution merely slowed the process, giving maybe 100-200 years of constitutional government before it was all eventually subverted. Many of the founding fathers expected this would happen quicker, so be glad that the Republic has survived in some form for this long. Rome went from a Republic to a Monarchy, the US will follow a similar road.
I love knowing better's vocab words in the upper right hand corner, makes me feel like school should actually be taught like this
I wish online textbooks offered a service more similar to this rather than speak to text read along
This video honestly should be in every Civics class.
"How did the police looked like when they wrote the constitution?"
"Like Assassin's Creed 3 guards"
Exactly what I imagined... And we were right
They weren't professionals either
@@VonSternberg777 they barely are now
I strongly believe the depression and loneliness crisis is related to/caused by police militarization. If you're a teen, especially if you're a minority with a lot to lose, there is very little you can do for fun and socialization that isn't illegal or unaffordable
"If all you have is a hammer..." then your soviet flag is only half done.
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nice, well done
Not incorrect.
1/3.
There's a star.
This feels like a really important video. Your background as a military vet gives you more credibility with certain groups than most lefty youtubers who are largely academics and media critics. Good job, I'm glad your channel exists. I'm going to be showing this video to my brother.
We used MRAPs and MAPVs in Afghanistan too btw when I got out and moved back to my tiny hometown with 1,000 people several hours from any decent sized town or city, I found our sheriff dept with an MRAP that they mainly just use for parades
P good
That’s thanks to Obama and Co. handing them out like candy.
@@gnarlax2005 Obama is when it really started to be a widespread issue. Small town departments in the 90s and early 2000s didn’t have MRAPs and humvees. Post 2008 they did.
@@gnarlax2005 you don’t read very well do you? I didn’t say it started under Obama. I’m saying it became much more widespread under Obama.
@@ignacio9399 That's more a matter of unfortunate timing, than due to any promotion by the Obama administration. If anything, the GOP was pushing the 1033 program to *counter* Obama, scaring their base with rhetoric that they needed to protect their towns because racism. There is no reason for local, small town police to have MRAPs. What a waste of taxes.
The one thing that’s really striking about the escalation of force part is the fact that you do not point a gun anywhere close to another person unless you are a second away from shooting to kill them, and then comparing that to just the basic image everyone has of swat teams pointing assault rifles to intimidate and break up protesters
Well if you think Portland was peaceful ok then
this should be trending! Im tired of arguing with my friends who are in the two extremes and deny anything factual or logic, they either yell defund the police without understanding the motives for it or yell we need militarized police without understanding the issues with the skewed crime rates. I dont want to change either ones ideologies but I just want them to understand the hard facts and make an informed decsion rather than use impulse social media information.
Imo i think a slow demilitarization, with a stronger police academy and a different approach to first responder might be a good option. But then again I dont know much as I am just an outsider in this situation, and don't know the inner workings of the police system.
But we do need police..., Otherwise it's an entire country with criminals doing everything they want to
@@gomul13 yeah I didn't mean not police lol. I should have elaborated. The people who yell out we need police are the ones who want militarized police as they show the crime stats from the impoverished neighborhoods which are obviously galwed logic. We need to have a stronger police academy and a diverse type of first responders. Which would actually need a bigger budget but we can shrink the swat budget
Divide and conquer.
I mean the Defund the Police movement and shift into community policing would be far better than simply disarming, because even though a unarmed police force would be better than an armed one, community policing would allow for true civilians to handle the personal issues of individuals better.
@@Nchinnam but the thing is that police aren't militarized, rifles are a great example. In this video he mentions the reason why officers have rifles and that's the 1997 bank robbery shootout where the robbers had armor which could withstand 9mm bullets, which are pistol rounds. Rifles fire bigger, faster bullets which can go through this body armor and that's why they were taken down, because SWAT came in and injured them with their rifles, contrary to what he says in the video which is completely wrong.
Police only change if they need to, their gear reflects the situations they get into in the real world, most departments don't have money and actually can't train cops well enough or even give them body armor at times! Police with good training don't use their guns as much because they know what they're doing, that's why San Diego's police department is considered the best, lots of money, lots of training, less shootings, less crime even in a huge city which is a rare occurrence.
Phenomenal video. My mom unfollowed everyone that was anti-police (as they exist now) on all her social media and would rant about it constantly. But she watched your whole video and left saying "wow this was super informative", even if you drew similar conclusions. Keep changing minds and hearts man, you are an inspiration to us all.
I mean those who riot and say defund the police are fools.
Those who do not want a militarized police are all right.
Your videos just keep getting better and better. I never knew the true history behind policing, but honestly it doesn't surprise me too much. Brilliant. Thank you for creating content like this, it makes me feel a lot better to know we have information like this circulating.
better is in his name
If you were a long time viewer you would recognize how he evolved from a brilliant moderate guy who both sides could respect to a radical leftist who supports the defund the police movement.
@@DomiAngel ahh poor trumpist got your feelings hurt that the police aren't the almighty gods of goodness that you portray them to be?
@@matheusGMN thank you, beat me to it.
@@DomiAngel He is very moderate. What you don't realize is that America is so far right that moderate views seem extremely leftist. I am extremely left. He is not. And that's okay.
I'm sorry that wanting the best for people is evil to you, if you want we can have a discussion about American propaganda and how it has spun all humanist views into the realms of evil in order to support the capitalist upper class.
I am super willing to have a proper dialogue with you. I'm just not going to try if you're going to continue being an asshole.
The sign of a truly mature thinker is the ability to reevaluate past ideals due to more modern or complete information. Don't be embarrassed by your past ideas now that you've changed them, be glad you were able to make the journey and grew as a person.
"the corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture[Police] and this picture[Military]"
US Goverment:They're The Same Picture
In my global history and security class we had an essay on how the Vietnam war affected both government policy and american culture, I was apparently the only student to connect the "war on drugs" to the anti-war movement.
Really so the massive increase in violence in the 1960's had nothing to do with it huh?
Community Response is a good idea. Plus it allows people to have more of an investment in their neighborhood.
Only as long as you have a responsible community, tho.
I would like to say that i really admire your intellectual honesty in this video, especially when highlighting how, even after an extensive critique of SWAT teams, you still admitted that there was an intangible desire to have a team like that around. Excellent analysis in your video, thanks!
Police: sees my collection of NASCAR diecasts
You’re using those to hide drugs
Me: You can’t hide drugs in them
Police takes diecast
No please....those die casts are my investments....
Police: Are these diecast?
You: Y-yes...
Police: DIE-cast! I fear for my life!
*police empty 47 magazines into you and drop 17 firebombs on your house*
You sure that’s a cop and not someone pretending to be one 😂
You can put your weed in there man...
Police Officer walks in the shop: There’s nothing in here in which you can hide weed in man...!!
Me: *Wondering what a diecast is*
While the video itself was very informative, interesting and a very important view for a lof of people something I noticed is that the sources you have listed in the description contain no timestamps. Which means if I wanna fact check something you said I have to look into every single source and find the part you are referencing. I think it would be very helpful if you could put a timestamp next to the sources in the description or show the sources themselves in the video at the point of referencing them.
Nicely done. You did miss the Pulse nightclub shooting, where the Orlando Police entered the building initially, then retreated for 3 hours. How many injured people bled out and how many additional people were shot?
Not to mention the Good Guy with a gun that initially engaged the shooter in THE PARKING LOT and didn't prevent him from entering the building and carrying out the attack.
DahVoozel Was he injured, “engaged” implies he fought him
It's almsot like the shooter had hostages. You are supposed to do everything to save the hostages. He wouldnt even let them in the building. Stop cherry picking details.
DahVoozel Don’t need to prevent someone from committing an attack entirely, just to slow them down or hold them up temporarily. Granted most of the time people shouldn’t engage a shooter due to various risks involved to themselves.
@@jerrell1169 So why do we need good guys with guns if by your logic most of the time people shouldn't even engage?
14:00 had me checking the upload date on this... it's not even a week after the Uvalde shooting, gave me a bit of a pressure in my chest.
"Wait, it's all state sponsored gangs?"
Facts: "Always has been."
Edit: I've gotten through more of the video and holy shit, the steps on engagement you listed for a gunner. Like, I knew police training was bad but I never knew how it was SO MUCH WORSE than military training. It's a horrific thought imagining that it might be safer to be an enemy combatant in a confrontation with the US military than be an unarmed black person interacting with a cop.
Thank you for this (and all other) videos.
Have you thought about oh I don’t know that most of the times cops engage people in arms reach so warning shots are kinda a bad idea
@@davedave8986 and actually shooting the person is a better idea?
Kyle St. Crüe do you want the officers to die if the person has a weapon or has a record of having one
Mastercrazybird look up how many unarmed people have been killed by police then after that look up how many times people Interact with the police every year
@@Mastercrazybird why? Most diseases aren't lethal
"when all you have is an MRAP, everything looks like a warzone"
Not gonna lie, the biggest "woah" for me in this video was that "small town" is between 25k and 50k people. *laughs in 7.5k population in 41sq. mi. town*
Also if memory serves, the reason NASA (and the Air Force) have SWAT/Reaction teams is security against terrorist threats. The Post Office also maintains a SWAT-esque team.
I really can't thank you for how informative, thoughtful, articulate, detailed, and brutally honest your videos are.