@@southsidehitmen I agree! I wish I could turn those circles like he does! I am envious! Or should we chastise him for being a show off? Naw, he’s just an accomplished rider.
Glad you like the Indian, I prefer HD. My review is of You. I don't see any ego in you but rather a soft-spoken man who is confident. Your way of instruction is honest and to the point and patient with no bullish or name calling like other's I have seen. Watching you is pleasant and lets me focus on the instruction. Others should take note of your manner. Good luck with the new bike, John
I am a Harley rider but I like the Indian Challenger and Pursuit versions. The biggest thing I like about these New Indian bikes is their modern features such as full counterbalancing, no pushrods, full liquid cooling, single hole oil fill and drainage, no primary chain, and smooth no clunk shifting. HD is still playing catch-up.
It’s a speeding ticket waiting to happen lol. I fell in love with the challenger but the wife clocked me and well the 0 to 3 number mph she said no to trading in the Roadmaster
Vehicles come from the factory with delayed throttle response for older drivers/riders and less experienced operators. That delayed response is to give the operator a split second to react in case they accidentally gun the throttle or are overcommitted too early. It’s a safety feature that’s not really talked about
Thank you for your honest review. I am an Indian owner, but of an earlier year 2019 Roadmaster Elite & very interested in the Challenger/Pursuit. Some suggestions for you from what I've researched: 1. Forgot to mention 2 things, fairing vents close with the lever inside, H-D's dont & the electronic pre-load is a game changer. 2. Your throttle lag is a common problem with these bikes. The Indian tune does nothing. Suggest looking up Lloyd'z, who is the speed guru for Victory & Indian. His tune will end the throttle lag immediately. 3. Suggest a 2 into 1 exhaust as you will lose hp with a dual exhaust setup. 4. For lights, if you are switching to Custom Dynamics, look at their adaptive headlight (I think it is brighter) & their Pro One series of tail lights or see if their module will allow the stock LED's to flash, run, stop, brake & I would (& did on my bike) add the module that converts the outside bag lights to do the same thing. Just some helpful hints I've picked up along the way. And Finess might be able to suggest some more stuff to get that that bike in peak operation. It doesn't need much, but trust, me do what you have to do to make the bike fit you. I'll keep watching
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I opens the lower vent and aimed it towards the engine on the exhaust side and it really helps with the heat. The tour pac will start closing easier once the seal breaks in. I completely agree on the fit of the tour pack.
That's a nice pro tip about directing the lower on the exhaust side. I'll have to try that - though I've not experienced a lot of heat from the radiator. All the bags need a little extra love to get closed. Don't slam the lids, just click and love it a bit more and they close nicely and it does get easier with time.
Nobody mentions that you can program the engine to turn off the rear cylinder when the bike is at idle to reduce the heat. Actually I think mine came programmed that way but I killed that feature because excessive heat is not an issue for me. He didn't mention the gear position indicator which is a really big deal for me although some people don't like it. He also didn't mention the computerized ride control system that I believe his bike came with, it is a wonderful feature. The author of this video is obviously a far more advanced rider than I am and I have the utmost respect for him but I thought I would mention a few of the features that he may have overlooked. The last thing he didn't mention was the price. This bike costs a lot of money but I believe that you get what you pay for and I don't believe you will find a better touring motorcycle on the market than the Indian Pursuit. As stated in the video this bike is not perfect but it comes very close.I hope the author keeps these videos coming!
Appreciate that you didn't jump straight into comparing the two brands! You kept this video focused on the Pursuit and the things you look for. I watched mainly for the things that affect slow speed maneuvering.
I'm glad you are happy with the Pursuit Elite Rob. I've been in contact with the let's roll folks and they tell me they are developing a new dolly system that supports Indians which would be really great! PRELOAD AND KEEP IT LOADED!!!!
You can use a motorcycle jack on it. I have a challenger, same build as a pursuit, I am a Indian tech, I do all my own maintenance at home, I use a motorcycle jack from harbor freight no issues. Looks just like the one you've shown in previous videos. Edit: you probably havent got the positioning down. You gotta put the part that holds the bike right up next to the kickstand. I always remove the seat and use tie downs to secure the bike also to the jack for extra safety.
Pictures of this would be nice. I've been told as well that a "normal" jack will damage the brake lines the run under the frame (i.e., between the frame and the road).
Here's a little heads up from a short guy who needed some help with the reach on my 2022 Pursuit Limited. KST now makes 4" pullback bars for the Challenger and Pursuit in polished stainless and blacked out. I put them on my bike, and it's made all of the difference in the world for me. I need to give credit where credit is due. I found these bars while following DMV Solorider. We are roughly the same height, around 5'6", so reaching the stock bars was extremely difficult. He had tried the Indian 2" pullback bars, and they still weren't long enough, so I held off until these came out. He was on a mission, and I knew it was just a matter of time before he found longer bars. Now, I can actually sit back on my backrest with my arms slightly bent. If you do decide to change bars, take your time getting the clutch side grip off, I destroyed mine trying to get it off, and a new heated grip is around $150. Indian used WAY, WAY too much grip glue. DMV Solorider and I have sent some comments back and forth along the way, and while he has the Indian highway pegs, he's not completely satisfied with them because they're too short for him. That being said, I mentioned the Kuryakyn adjustable highway peg mounts with boards. He seemed to think that would probably be a better fit for me as they have a longhorn style that would probably work better for me. Have a great time on your new Pursuit.
6:40 "If you want me to like something, just put a light on it." says the retired Highway Patrolman. Figures. I have both the Harley Davidson Street Glide Special and the Indian Pursuit Limited Premium and my toughest decision I have each day is which one I want to ride to work. Both do have their pros and cons, and that's okay. Even though both bikes are some of the upper echelon in their series (excluding bikes with lots of aftermarket add-ons) they perform differently in different situations. The Street Glide is great in the city and the Pursuit is utter perfection on the highway. And as you said, most of what I think of these bikes is purely subjective, but I guess if you wanted to crunch just the numbers, the Pursuit would come out on top. Enjoyed your video!
Recently experienced demo days at local Indian dealership. I rode the springfield, chieftain and the challenger. I skipped at the opportunity of the pursuit, had the kickstand up and in gear preloading and it just felt too top heavy for me (shorty here at 5'7"). I agree with your assessment of the pursuit/challenger. Big things for me is handle bar pull back on backorder and lack of aftermarket and not being able to lift the bike to do maintenance without a table. All three models felt like I was reaching with legs and arms, me thinking and looking at rk's now. I ride a metric now and will forever keep her.
Enjoyed your review of Gladiator. I might never buy an Indian MC but I like looking at them all. The Indian Head icon on the front adds a bit of a nod to it's heritage, at least I think so. It also reminds me of the old Pontiac my mom drove when I was a wee lad.
Rob, I also own a 2023 Pursuit and that was an accurate review as anyone can do. I just took a trip from Long Island to Sturgis. 5100 miles round trip. I think the longer you own it, the more you'll love it. This bike really thrives on the highway. Handles incredible for a large touring bike yet rides like a Cadillac. I think you'll find the heat issue gets better as it breaks in. At least mine did. I swapped out the bag lights for Custom Dynamics so now the brake and turn signals work in sync.. So much better! I also swapped out the bars. If I can give you a heads up; the KST Comanche bars have a tremendous amount of flex to them. Did not like them at all. Swapped them out for Siouxicide Choppers and problem solved. Good luck with the bike. Stay Safe!
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I bought the 2022 Pursuit Limited in March of 2022. It has been great. As of 8/24/2023 I have 19,500+ miles and it has been a beast. I did have the Lloyd's tune done in April of 2023. Great video.
Hi. Thank you for the great video. I am a retired SFPD solo motorcycle police officer. I just purchased a pursuit Dark horse today. I was impressed on your turning maneuvers. Especially on the figure eights . I thought the wheel base might be to long to complete the maneuver. Seeing you do it will inspire me to try it also. Congrats on your purchase.
I have about 1500 miles on my grey 2023 Pursuit Dark Horse and so far, I love the bike. Tremendous power, braking is good, lots of great features and it looks amazing. Mine is stock - paid $32,749. The antenna is stupid.
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I can't sell my 2020 Goldwing DCT Tour cause I love it so much. But, 2 reasons why I left the dealer on an Indian, no center stand, no reverse assist, if needed. This bike you own, as is, could have been in my garage. Indian did a super job. I would buy an Indian way before writing a check on an HD. Hands down to Indian.
I loved your review. Honest, objective and very intelligent. FYI: I own a Pursuit Dark Horse Premium. I picked it up on 7 June, brought it in for its 500 mile service on 8 June and on 9 June embarked on a 5,670 mile ride through ten states and four mountain ranges. I had 25 pounds in the trunk and 25 pound on top of it. Bags were full. I dialed in the suspension on the ride command screen and was absolutely amazed by how responsive yet plush the suspension was… the bike tracked super smoothly through canyons, over mountain ranges and along interstates. I loved the ride command + CarPlay combo and used Apple Maps almost exclusively. Never failed me. This is an absolutely stonking bike. I am already planning a trip for next summer to the north east, and Appalachia. BTW: Not a single problem so far. The bike just goes and goes and goes.
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@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle I have highway pegs and longer reach handlebars. Both have made a real difference as the original bars pull me forward and stress my back. I also have the backrest, which I added after I broke my back in April in dubai, where I live for most of the year. I also have stage one and two engine upgrades and it flys. I did 200 miles this morning; a quick blast up the highway and back. Loved it.
Very good points....I rode one few months back and fell in love with it...The thing is that you never get enough time with the bike when you just ride it for 20 or 30 miles from the dealer...and now the you mentioned I see it in a different perspective....Still a bad ass bike ,but between the little details that you said and the dealer network, I think I will stay with HD...Thanks!
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Some dealership have rental programs. I rented one for 8 hours for about $200. That was a deal changer for me and convinced me and (even more importantly) my wife that this was a very comfortable bike. I have had to change out the handlebars for what they call "exteded reach" to get the grips a little close to me (I'm a little short) and that made all the difference in the world.
Yes the Lloydz tune does remove the lag however, currently they don’t have tunes for the 23 year model yet. Side note, I have heard the Lloydz tune does run a bit hotter. On the challenger you don’t really feel it because there aren’t any lowers trapping heat.
I have a 2022 Blue DH Pursuit with over 9500k miles. I have installed a stubby carbon fiber antenna and can still get the weather channels. I also have the reduced reach bars and those are a game changer now you do have to order them from witchdoctors to get them powdered coated black. As for the heat on the right side I have the vents pointed towards the motor on both sides, for me I line the outer edge of the lever up with the inner edge of the plastic that wraps around the highway bars. I have the Indian highway pegs also they are really comfortable and the powder coating is a perfect match to the highway bars.
I have been looking into the Indian challenger and pursuit motorcycles for a while now, which led me to your channel. I enjoyed the video overall and it is helpful, I especially enjoyed watching all the low speed maneuvering! Fantastic job, and I will be watching from now on.
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Nice bike Robert! .. glad to see Indian resurrected again, I looked at them but I just purchased the HD Icon Highway King in hi-fi magenta, got number 129 of 750, I’m having the front forks chromed, waiting on delivery, will be practicing, watch all your videos, thanks for your service, my dad was also a policeman, in Newark NJ, we are still located in NJ, but moved to the shore. Be well!
Great review man. Love my Pursuit Elite but have the same issues as you mentioned. The tour pack does get easier to close as it breaks in and I found a guy who makes risers that really make it close better. I do long distance (12K in 3 months so far) and don’t understand why Indian would not have an elite backrest. I don’t want plain black because it would not match the bronze stitching of the seat. The Metzler tires grip the road but wear out way too fast. I had to replace the rear already, it literally started falling apart. And the front end wobble was due to the front tire. New Michelins took care of the wobble. Keep the videos coming and thanks for your service!
First time watching. Wonderful video. We recently bought 2024 Pursuit Elite. I agree 100% with the touring package comments. Looks pretty from a distance but cheap up close. Also disappointed with the lack of driver backrest and no option to buy a matching one. I am the passenger and would very much appreciate your wife's opinion of this bike. I would also like to share mine. Indian should be ashamed of the windshield that comes stock. For the passenger, even all the way up, the wind is too much. After riding over 40 mph for more than 30 minutes, I want to get off and stay off! Can barely hear the music. Have tried both full face and half helmet. Have ordered a different windshield so hopefully that will correct the issue. But for now I would rather not ride at all than be on this bike.
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A solution to heat from the Indian Pursuit engine! I got my 2023 Indian Pursuit about a year and a half ago and when summertime came I thought I was going to have to get rid of it because of the heat. I already had the catalytic converter removed but there is a lot of heat coming from the top of the cylinders especially the front one. In 95 degree plus heat it was almost unbearable to ride and dangerously hot to ride when around 100 degrees or more. I looked around for some airwings like those made for Honda's but found none that would work. I had Gustafsson Plastics custom make me some airwings. They do not make any mounting solutions so I had to buy some Honda airwings and use their mount for the custom airwings. The shape of the available airwings is not good enough to bring sufficient air onto the rider, so that is why I had some custom made. These custom make airwings made a big difference in shedding heat away from me. I would post a picture of them but there does not seem to be a way to do that. I also got the Indian heated and cooled seat. That also helps a lot and it actually gets cool to the touch although it does take several minutes to cool.
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Thank you so much for this awesome review Lt. Simmons. Jeez Polaris will always act like a corporate and try to save pennies on everything, my 2015 Victory Magnum (supposed to be top of the line at that time) came with a tour pack which usually comes with the cross country, and like you said exactly LT it feels like unfinished cheap plastic. Also your shifter is exactly the same as mine, I'm gonna check the compatibility and the price of the heel toe shifter for Victory and Indian, I swear to God if they're the same (with the same part number) and they're charging you more for it I'm gonna be furious and I promise I'll let you know.
Nice honest review, I respect that, and just wanted to add a few comments. You mention it's hot, and I agree, but in my opinion ALL V-twin bikes are. I had an HD Sport Glide that was EXTREMELY hot on the right leg, and that was not fixable, I'm sure you were actually referring to the right side. My Pursuit is not nearly as hot as the HD was, but still can get uncomfortably hot at times, only on the right side. Pipes radiate heat, and that is mainly where you get the heat from, but that is partially fixable. Tab sells the Cat Delete which replaces the converter underneath the bike, and where a great deal of the heat is coming from. Easy to fix since you are replacing the pipes anyway. Of course you will likely need to re-tune it then. Custom Dynamics will solve your lighting issues, my Pursuit did not come with the saddlebag lights, and the CD ones are perfect. They are integrated into the turn signals as well. Not sure why Indian didn't make them that way. Yes, you need new bars, I installed the Folsom style on mine, and I love them! More height and reach. I am 5'9" so you have a nice advantage over me, and if I can set this bike up to fit me properly, you should have no issues. Good Luck with getting her properly setup, I know you will grow to appreciate it more as time goes on. She likes to go long distances, give that a try. Rick
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Oh, and get yourself a Freedom Shield windshield, they are perfect. I got the 9" one which has the flip and is so much nicer being able to see over it. My short stature was really an issue with that tall stock one. I had them engrave an Indian head from the Dream Catcher collection. Looks great! Take Care
Awesome Video Rob. Right on time. Will be picking up my Pursuit (Premium Package) in Black Smoke tomorrow. Looking forward to putting plenty of miles on it. :)
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I have a 23 Elite Challenger and very easily got my running lights to work as brake and signal lights without having to replace the lights. Just a harness which costs about $20. Also, u can use the harbor freight jack and just position it properly. Great video BTW.
That is a gorgeous bike! Congrats! Still loving my RM! Had to plug my rear tire took a big chunk of metal in it. Just rolled it over 27K and loving every mile!
Hello Big Rob, it was very nice seeing you in my hometown Milwaukee. Thank you for the great review of this machine. The times I have demoed it, I do agree. with your assessment/opinion. To add to the don’t like, I hate the bar on the rear that secure the tour pack, at lease yours is black so it doesn’t stand out as much as the chrome. PRE-LOAD AND KEEP IT LOADED.
I own a 22 Challenger Limited. Best American Muscle Bagger Available. Over 14000 miles since last July. I had to get used to it at low speed especially after the Lloyd'z tune always in sport mode and KST bars. Speaking of Lloyd'z they now have cams! Mid 130s tq. Highly recommend, I'm already planning to buy my next one in 25.
Once you get use to the Indian setup you will hit all controls without looking. Get a fuel Moto tuner for it and your throttle response can be tuned and fuel map. If you think that liquid cool gets hot you should try the Roadmaster being stock that cat in the pipes is the cause of it. Ditch the cat and get a TAB performance header for it. Once you get the tour pack broke in it closes easily.
Thank you for the unbiased review. I own a 2023 Pursuit Limited Premium, and the pros & cons are, like you said, subjective, but others are spot on. The biggest negative for me was the stock bars. I installed the KST Lakota bars and it made a positive difference in slow speed maneuvers for me. Thanks and ride safe!
Great video Robert. Love that your willing to work with different manufacturers and models. I had a 22 Pursuit Limited Premium and immediately ordered the Pursuit Elite when the order banks opened. You point out a few of my gripes as well. I have the reduced reach handlebars ordered. The 22 Pursuit I had didn't have the "reduced reach" bars but the bars were closer to me. The Elite has more of a drag bar. Odd decision for a premium touring MC. I'll be changing out my saddle bag light for the Custom Dynamic so the have the brake light and turn signals integrated. The trunk is much easier to close if you just let it slam like a door. I was pushing down like you were and it took a lot of effort to get it to latch. The slam method makes it easier to securely close it.
I agree Rob points out alot of the same gripes I have with my Elite. The saddlebag lighting was an easy fix though. I tapped into the brake light wiring under the seat and it works great!
A trick I've heard, regarding the lower fairing vents is to angle the vents to deflect air to the motor, rather than straight open towards the legs. It seems to help keep the legs cooler 🇦🇺
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My FTR would absolutely burn me up after I had been riding more than 10 minutes. If I put it in sport mode it felt like I was seriously being burned. I guess it’s because of the water cooled setup but I’m not sure why. My new road glide has no heat issues yet. I traded my FTR for the road glide so I can’t do a side by side comparison and wouldn’t anyway because they’re vastly different bikes. I would love to do what you did and have a few different bikes in my stable but I don’t even have a garage.
The only thing for me about this Indian resurrection is that several models remind me of Victory as if simply re-badged, more so the older models as they continue to evolve, but I still see glimpses which turns me off about them, regardless, a nice product, really nice bikes and happy their pushing Harley….
Beautiful machine... Indian is doing a great job. HD needs the competition. If my 3rd and current HD SG goes south, I am going to consider an Indian. My only concern is the lack of dealerships. I am sure that will improve over time. Is this a dry or wet oiling system? How does this suspension compare to the new CVO you rode? That charging plug should also be on all HDs. Not a floppy plug next to the saddlebag. The best part is the engine, which is water cooled. HD needs to pay attention. I don't like the HD kickstand. It always feels skeptical shy to me. It took a while to get used too. They make the throttle that way in sport mode so you can maintain control of the bike. The radiator fans are most likely blowing hot air onto you. My Kawasaki water cooled engine did the same thing. Great review. Thanks :-)
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Thank you for the in depth video! I’m a retired LEO motor and still riding my 2000 HD Road King Classic with 104,000 miles. I’m seriously considering purchasing a new, 2022 Pursuit Limited. The pricing at $23,000 given all of the creature comforts that are standard on the Indian, HD doesn’t even offer. I’m torn between the Pursuit Limited and the Ultra. I’m only 6’2”, but felt cramped on the Ultra. The steep seat had me in a further forward position and seemed as though I was darn near on top of the bottom edge of the tank. The lowers restricted me from sliding my feet further forward as I’m able to do on my Road King. Does the Pursuit seat make you sit further forward as I experienced with the Ultra and do the lowers allow for the rider to shift your foot position further forward or under the lowers? I did watch a video where the new owner discussed the excessive heat you mentioned. He said the heat issue eventually dissipated and cleared up on its own after the break in period. Hopefully it cleared up for you as well. Thank you for the great information, John. I’ve subscribed and look forward to seeing your other videos.
Great video as seemingly always Robert - heck you're just getting better and better at these. I reckon, you should be on Indian's dev team :) Can only imagine the great motorcycle they would then produce with your input. You speak for many others in your evaluation and comments - I hope Indian take on board for next years model, which i am sure if they watch your review they will make happen. Sound advice for the designers and engineers for sure.
At first, I started not to watch this video. Only because I know you're a Harley guy 😂. But know your background. I should at least listen. Living in the BX, we already know it's not many cruisers. I've nothing but Indian motorcycle. When I retired and moved to VA, is when I brought my first motorcycle. Wanted a Harley but customer service sXxk!! When and brought a Indian Roadmaster. Great motorcycle, but I couldn't take the heat!! Traded that in for a 2020 challenger. Never had an issue with heat unless it was super hot outside. With that being said, I ordered the lowers. Didn't realize the difference until the second week of July. It's so hot that I couldn't ride the bike over 80 degrees day. Took the lower off and a much better as far as heat. Coming from a Roadmaster, I was used to the tour pack. To keep a long too long. Everything you touch on is 1000% true. I hope Indian address these concerns
Nice looking Indian bike and the Elite are the best for sure! I test rode both the Indian Challenger and the Indian Chieftain. I ended up with the Indian Chieftain as I felt better fitted on it. After talking to several people I would like to point out that many are saying if you are under 6' then the Indian Chieftain fits them better and if over 6' then the Challenger fits them better. I am 5'9" so probably why the Indian Chieftain fit me better. Either way, I love my 2024 Indian Chieftain Dark Horse but again yours looks awesome too! I think Indian motorcycles are jsut superior to the Harleys in so many ways.
Nice video. Thanks. (The alarm/immobilizer feature can be activated using the multi-function, two-button key fob. Note: The alarm system is NOT available on vehicles with a buttonless fob. To activate the alarm, press the LOCK button on the key fob two times. The horn will sound briefly to confirm that the alarm is activated.)
Challenger owner here. I modified my motorcycle jack with a couple hockey pucks and it works great. I can raise it all the way up for cleaning, maintenance etc...If interested I can send a pic.
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The catalytic converter is where that heat is coming from. Get rid if it and you'll immediately feel the difference. Plus that thing weighs like 15 lbs.
Nice review! I have a 22 and you nailed all of it! Love my Pursuit! Can’t wait to see what you do with the bars, I have the premium version and they are to low and to far away. I don’t want to go crazy high either. Not into that anymore. And that trunk gap drives me nuts! Some guys on the forums have an easy fix but shouldn’t have to fix it. Ride safe!
KST now makes a set of 4" pullback bars for the Challenger and Pursuit. I put them on my Pursuit several months ago, and it's been a game changer. If you get them, take your time with the clutch side heated grip, Indian used WAY too much grip glue, and a new heated grip is around $150.
Beautiful bike… the Pursuit Elite is a real looker, so glad that you can put it through her paces and then compare to the new CVO you just picked up. I am a little biased to the Indian as the Challenger is my first American motorcycle. You should try the Freedom Works Pipes, I put them on my Challenger and they sound very nice.
nice looking bike. I considered one of the challengers, but that lack of dealer network and the lack of shops in my area that can do anything to them in the event of a problem made my decision to stay with HD
When you close the trunk you have to push a little bit but it is because they put such a very good rubber around it that's going to last you forever that's how you know that that's don't go inside at the beginning I was thinking the same with a very high quality rubber gasket around the trunk
Great review. I have owned a lot of bikes. I bought my 2020 Indian Challenger new in Aug 2020. Over all it is my favorite bike so far. Yeah a few nit picky things on the fit and finish. But love the engine, trans, ride and handling. Not sure if the 2023's ECU has been cracked yet. But if it has look at getting the ECU flashed by Hoonies or Llyodz. Really adds to the over all performance of the bike. Nice color choice on that Challenger. In 2020 there were very limited color choices. Glad to see Indian did something about that. Keep the shiny side up!
Well I thought I was gonna have the opportunity to buy a used to Elite. Looks like you're gonna enjoy this beautiful bike for a while. Looking forward to seeing the upgrades enjoy.
Beautiful bike. I have a 2022 Pursuit. Would like to see you do a video on installing Drop Guards on the Pursuit. I'm having a little trouble installing the front guards. The Drop Guards are 3/8 in thick and the gap between the crash bars and lower fairing is about a 1/4 in. Fairing is pressed tight against the guards after installing.
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I'm sure you buy your bikes for your pleasure but also to make content for the channel, but there were a lot of things about the bike that you don't like so I'm surprise you purchase it. Keep saving lives bro
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After the pipes do a Lloydz tune. You’ll be happy. And the bars. Nice review. I ride a 2013 Vic XC. That bikes daddy! 97k on it, probably a Persuit in my near future! Ride well and Ride on !🍻
Looking forward to what handlebars you end up getting. I switched to the Indian Mid rise and they still are not fully comfortable for small turns at slow speeds. Update us on what you end up getting with some links. Thanks for what you do as your videos help me ride more confident. Ride fast, yet safe!
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for my challenger i had to get the kst Lakota bars to bring them closer and they are also narrower than factory. a regular jack will lift it fine i use a harbor freight fine with it it just tilts to one side some people say u can crush the brake lines but they are above the frame level so you would have to miss the frame to hit them.
The bike looks really nice but the fact about jacking it up is a major issue to me. Anyway as usual great video. Apparently that bike is limited as far as customizable .. looks like Harley's 2023 CVO copied the Indian..Thanks
i am planning on purchasing in the near future. after seeing your review of the trunk (gaps and flip forward hinge), I may go with the challenger instead and go aftermarket for the trunk when the need arises. great review!
I really appreciate your overview of the bike. I watched your video on the wobble as well. I just picked up my bike on Friday. I'll be taking it in this Friday for the 500 mile service. I can't get my front wheel steering lock to work. I found an online webpage that says to turn the wheel fully to the left and then turn the steering wheel key counter clockwise to engage. Mine doesn't do anything. Wondering if anyone else has had this problem.
Who ever told you that you can’t use a normal jack was wrong. Yes a 2x4 block on all corners is needed but like the Roadmaster you can lift the whole bike.
This is my first time looking at your channel. I was looking at this motorcycle online and thought it looked really stunning, so went looking for reviews. I think I saw a thumbnail that you've sold it already, though, is that right? Did you find a better bike? Did you ever ride the Victory Vision? That was another stunning cruiser.
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Excellent review, very comprehensive - thank you! I'm looking at a new Pursuit or the new CVO Road Glide. One of the main things I want is to be able to lift the bike up for cleaning, and it appears this may be an issue for the Pursuit. I don't know about the CVO, and I don't think the CVO's are available for test rides either - understandable, but unfortunate. Looking forward to seeing your comparison of this to your new CVO!
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When you stated it’s a hot bike to ride, and heat management is poor, you reinforced my decision to buy a 2013 Honda Goldwing six speed. The Indian is a sharp looking ride but can’t perform like the wing. Fit and finish is a Harley specialty, but so is high costs.
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Appreciate you being objective and look forward to seeing what you do with this. However I really look forward to your review of the new Road Glide or CVO.
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Nice video keep up the good work Robert
The way your turn your Indian motorcycle is impressive!!!! 🏍️ 👌
@@southsidehitmen I agree! I wish I could turn those circles like he does! I am envious! Or should we chastise him for being a show off? Naw, he’s just an accomplished rider.
@bethebossofyourmotorcycle what’s the best way to get rid of the wobble?
Glad you like the Indian, I prefer HD. My review is of You. I don't see any ego in you but rather a soft-spoken man who is confident. Your way of instruction is honest and to the point and patient with no bullish or name calling like other's I have seen. Watching you is pleasant and lets me focus on the instruction. Others should take note of your manner. Good luck with the new bike, John
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My 2005 CVO HD E glide rode. like a buckbord wagon.New ones are no better.
I am a Harley rider but I like the Indian Challenger and Pursuit versions. The biggest thing I like about these New Indian bikes is their modern features such as full counterbalancing, no pushrods, full liquid cooling, single hole oil fill and drainage, no primary chain, and smooth no clunk shifting. HD is still playing catch-up.
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And Harley will always be behind with the same people running it
It’s a speeding ticket waiting to happen lol. I fell in love with the challenger but the wife clocked me and well the 0 to 3 number mph she said no to trading in the Roadmaster
Very honest thorough review. Thanks for taking the time !
Catch up? They just need to sell a 138k more to catch up lol. But I do like the Pursuit.
Vehicles come from the factory with delayed throttle response for older drivers/riders and less experienced operators. That delayed response is to give the operator a split second to react in case they accidentally gun the throttle or are overcommitted too early. It’s a safety feature that’s not really talked about
Thank you for your honest review. I am an Indian owner, but of an earlier year 2019 Roadmaster Elite & very interested in the Challenger/Pursuit. Some suggestions for you from what I've researched:
1. Forgot to mention 2 things, fairing vents close with the lever inside, H-D's dont & the electronic pre-load is a game changer.
2. Your throttle lag is a common problem with these bikes. The Indian tune does nothing. Suggest looking up Lloyd'z, who is the speed guru for Victory & Indian. His tune will end the throttle lag immediately.
3. Suggest a 2 into 1 exhaust as you will lose hp with a dual exhaust setup.
4. For lights, if you are switching to Custom Dynamics, look at their adaptive headlight (I think it is brighter) & their Pro One series of tail lights or see if their module will allow the stock LED's to flash, run, stop, brake & I would (& did on my bike) add the module that converts the outside bag lights to do the same thing. Just some helpful hints I've picked up along the way.
And Finess might be able to suggest some more stuff to get that that bike in peak operation.
It doesn't need much, but trust, me do what you have to do to make the bike fit you.
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I opens the lower vent and aimed it towards the engine on the exhaust side and it really helps with the heat. The tour pac will start closing easier once the seal breaks in. I completely agree on the fit of the tour pack.
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That's a nice pro tip about directing the lower on the exhaust side. I'll have to try that - though I've not experienced a lot of heat from the radiator.
All the bags need a little extra love to get closed. Don't slam the lids, just click and love it a bit more and they close nicely and it does get easier with time.
Nobody mentions that you can program the engine to turn off the rear cylinder when the bike is at idle to reduce the heat. Actually I think mine came programmed that way but I killed that feature because excessive heat is not an issue for me. He didn't mention the gear position indicator which is a really big deal for me although some people don't like it. He also didn't mention the computerized ride control system that I believe his bike came with, it is a wonderful feature. The author of this video is obviously a far more advanced rider than I am and I have the utmost respect for him but I thought I would mention a few of the features that he may have overlooked. The last thing he didn't mention was the price. This bike costs a lot of money but I believe that you get what you pay for and I don't believe you will find a better touring motorcycle on the market than the Indian Pursuit. As stated in the video this bike is not perfect but it comes very close.I hope the author keeps these videos coming!
Appreciate that you didn't jump straight into comparing the two brands! You kept this video focused on the Pursuit and the things you look for. I watched mainly for the things that affect slow speed maneuvering.
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I'm glad you are happy with the Pursuit Elite Rob. I've been in contact with the let's roll folks and they tell me they are developing a new dolly system that supports Indians which would be really great! PRELOAD AND KEEP IT LOADED!!!!
Thank you very much! That still wouldn’t solve my problem of not being able to jack the bike more than a few inches.
You can use a motorcycle jack on it. I have a challenger, same build as a pursuit, I am a Indian tech, I do all my own maintenance at home, I use a motorcycle jack from harbor freight no issues. Looks just like the one you've shown in previous videos.
Edit: you probably havent got the positioning down. You gotta put the part that holds the bike right up next to the kickstand. I always remove the seat and use tie downs to secure the bike also to the jack for extra safety.
I was told by an Indian tech and the service manager that I could damage the break lines by using a motorcycle jack.
Pictures of this would be nice. I've been told as well that a "normal" jack will damage the brake lines the run under the frame (i.e., between the frame and the road).
Here's a little heads up from a short guy who needed some help with the reach on my 2022 Pursuit Limited. KST now makes 4" pullback bars for the Challenger and Pursuit in polished stainless and blacked out. I put them on my bike, and it's made all of the difference in the world for me. I need to give credit where credit is due. I found these bars while following DMV Solorider. We are roughly the same height, around 5'6", so reaching the stock bars was extremely difficult. He had tried the Indian 2" pullback bars, and they still weren't long enough, so I held off until these came out. He was on a mission, and I knew it was just a matter of time before he found longer bars. Now, I can actually sit back on my backrest with my arms slightly bent. If you do decide to change bars, take your time getting the clutch side grip off, I destroyed mine trying to get it off, and a new heated grip is around $150. Indian used WAY, WAY too much grip glue. DMV Solorider and I have sent some comments back and forth along the way, and while he has the Indian highway pegs, he's not completely satisfied with them because they're too short for him. That being said, I mentioned the Kuryakyn adjustable highway peg mounts with boards. He seemed to think that would probably be a better fit for me as they have a longhorn style that would probably work better for me. Have a great time on your new Pursuit.
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I am interested in the 4” pullback bars you mentioned. Are these the Lakota bars I’ve heard about? Or do they go by another name/part #?
6:40 "If you want me to like something, just put a light on it." says the retired Highway Patrolman. Figures.
I have both the Harley Davidson Street Glide Special and the Indian Pursuit Limited Premium and my toughest decision I have each day is which one I want to ride to work. Both do have their pros and cons, and that's okay. Even though both bikes are some of the upper echelon in their series (excluding bikes with lots of aftermarket add-ons) they perform differently in different situations. The Street Glide is great in the city and the Pursuit is utter perfection on the highway.
And as you said, most of what I think of these bikes is purely subjective, but I guess if you wanted to crunch just the numbers, the Pursuit would come out on top.
Enjoyed your video!
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Recently experienced demo days at local Indian dealership. I rode the springfield, chieftain and the challenger. I skipped at the opportunity of the pursuit, had the kickstand up and in gear preloading and it just felt too top heavy for me (shorty here at 5'7"). I agree with your assessment of the pursuit/challenger. Big things for me is handle bar pull back on backorder and lack of aftermarket and not being able to lift the bike to do maintenance without a table. All three models felt like I was reaching with legs and arms, me thinking and looking at rk's now. I ride a metric now and will forever keep her.
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Enjoyed your review of Gladiator. I might never buy an Indian MC but I like looking at them all. The Indian Head icon on the front adds a bit of a nod to it's heritage, at least I think so. It also reminds me of the old Pontiac my mom drove when I was a wee lad.
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Rob, I also own a 2023 Pursuit and that was an accurate review as anyone can do. I just took a trip from Long Island to Sturgis. 5100 miles round trip. I think the longer you own it, the more you'll love it. This bike really thrives on the highway. Handles incredible for a large touring bike yet rides like a Cadillac. I think you'll find the heat issue gets better as it breaks in. At least mine did. I swapped out the bag lights for Custom Dynamics so now the brake and turn signals work in sync.. So much better! I also swapped out the bars. If I can give you a heads up; the KST Comanche bars have a tremendous amount of flex to them. Did not like them at all. Swapped them out for Siouxicide Choppers and problem solved. Good luck with the bike. Stay Safe!
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I’ve actually already done the bars. That video is out already. I did some Custom Dynamics lights as well. That video will be out soon.
I bought the 2022 Pursuit Limited in March of 2022. It has been great. As of 8/24/2023 I have 19,500+ miles and it has been a beast. I did have the Lloyd's tune done in April of 2023. Great video.
Hi. Thank you for the great video. I am a retired SFPD solo motorcycle police officer. I just purchased a pursuit Dark horse today. I was impressed on your turning maneuvers. Especially on the figure eights . I thought the wheel base might be to long to complete the maneuver. Seeing you do it will inspire me to try it also. Congrats on your purchase.
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I wish I would have known about this one before I bought my Pursuit. I'm happy with mine but this paint and accents on the Elite are beautiful
And that was my issue. This is Indians premier motorcycle, yet it was like a secret. Very little advertising about it.
The issue with the Elites is they are super rare. Most shops only get 1 to sell, so you gotta preorder mad early
To get one
I have about 1500 miles on my grey 2023 Pursuit Dark Horse and so far, I love the bike. Tremendous power, braking is good, lots of great features and it looks amazing. Mine is stock - paid $32,749. The antenna is stupid.
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I just bought a 2023 Pursuit and I totally agree with your review. Thanks for your great information.
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Purchased my 23 Indian Pursuit Darkhorse yesterday. Watched your video and learned a couple things that I didn't know. Thanks for the great video!
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Congratulations on your new motorcycle!
I can't sell my 2020 Goldwing DCT Tour cause I love it so much. But, 2 reasons why I left the dealer on an Indian, no center stand, no reverse assist, if needed. This bike you own, as is, could have been in my garage. Indian did a super job. I would buy an Indian way before writing a check on an HD. Hands down to Indian.
I just bought a 2024,Honda DCT but after test driving the Indian Challenger I may trade 😮
@@alterrell380 Hey, whatever rocks your boat 🍷🍷🍷. Double check with other riders on the Indians. I hear, they have some issues.
I'm a sport bike rider and even I think that is a beautiful bike. Well done bro, solid choice!
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I loved your review. Honest, objective and very intelligent. FYI: I own a Pursuit Dark Horse Premium. I picked it up on 7 June, brought it in for its 500 mile service on 8 June and on 9 June embarked on a 5,670 mile ride through ten states and four mountain ranges. I had 25 pounds in the trunk and 25 pound on top of it. Bags were full. I dialed in the suspension on the ride command screen and was absolutely amazed by how responsive yet plush the suspension was… the bike tracked super smoothly through canyons, over mountain ranges and along interstates. I loved the ride command + CarPlay combo and used Apple Maps almost exclusively. Never failed me. This is an absolutely stonking bike. I am already planning a trip for next summer to the north east, and Appalachia.
BTW: Not a single problem so far. The bike just goes and goes and goes.
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I took a nice ride yesterday. Not as long as yours, but the longest for me so far on her and it was just great! And it’s just going to get better because I still have to add highway pegs and a backrest. 👍🏾
@@BeTheBossOfYourMotorcycle I have highway pegs and longer reach handlebars. Both have made a real difference as the original bars pull me forward and stress my back. I also have the backrest, which I added after I broke my back in April in dubai, where I live for most of the year. I also have stage one and two engine upgrades and it flys. I did 200 miles this morning; a quick blast up the highway and back. Loved it.
Very good points....I rode one few months back and fell in love with it...The thing is that you never get enough time with the bike when you just ride it for 20 or 30 miles from the dealer...and now the you mentioned I see it in a different perspective....Still a bad ass bike ,but between the little details that you said and the dealer network, I think I will stay with HD...Thanks!
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Some dealership have rental programs. I rented one for 8 hours for about $200. That was a deal changer for me and convinced me and (even more importantly) my wife that this was a very comfortable bike. I have had to change out the handlebars for what they call "exteded reach" to get the grips a little close to me (I'm a little short) and that made all the difference in the world.
I have a 21 Challenger and I had problems with the lag in the throttle. Lloydz has a tune that will solve this issue and will increase power.
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Yes the Lloydz tune does remove the lag however, currently they don’t have tunes for the 23 year model yet. Side note, I have heard the Lloydz tune does run a bit hotter. On the challenger you don’t really feel it because there aren’t any lowers trapping heat.
I have a 2022 Blue DH Pursuit with over 9500k miles. I have installed a stubby carbon fiber antenna and can still get the weather channels. I also have the reduced reach bars and those are a game changer now you do have to order them from witchdoctors to get them powdered coated black. As for the heat on the right side I have the vents pointed towards the motor on both sides, for me I line the outer edge of the lever up with the inner edge of the plastic that wraps around the highway bars. I have the Indian highway pegs also they are really comfortable and the powder coating is a perfect match to the highway bars.
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I have been looking into the Indian challenger and pursuit motorcycles for a while now, which led me to your channel. I enjoyed the video overall and it is helpful, I especially enjoyed watching all the low speed maneuvering! Fantastic job, and I will be watching from now on.
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Nice bike Robert! .. glad to see Indian resurrected again, I looked at them but I just purchased the HD Icon Highway King in hi-fi magenta, got number 129 of 750, I’m having the front forks chromed, waiting on delivery, will be practicing, watch all your videos, thanks for your service, my dad was also a policeman, in Newark NJ, we are still located in NJ, but moved to the shore. Be well!
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Thanks Robert for the review. Indian has done a Great job. Enjoy!!
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That is the BEST-LOOKING bike in your garage! Wait, did I say best...I meant that is the BEST-LOOKING bike in your garage LOL.
It is definitely a very nice looking bike!
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Great review Rob! Looking forward to the comparison to your CVO
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Great review man. Love my Pursuit Elite but have the same issues as you mentioned. The tour pack does get easier to close as it breaks in and I found a guy who makes risers that really make it close better. I do long distance (12K in 3 months so far) and don’t understand why Indian would not have an elite backrest. I don’t want plain black because it would not match the bronze stitching of the seat. The Metzler tires grip the road but wear out way too fast. I had to replace the rear already, it literally started falling apart. And the front end wobble was due to the front tire. New Michelins took care of the wobble. Keep the videos coming and thanks for your service!
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First time watching. Wonderful video. We recently bought 2024 Pursuit Elite. I agree 100% with the touring package comments. Looks pretty from a distance but cheap up close. Also disappointed with the lack of driver backrest and no option to buy a matching one. I am the passenger and would very much appreciate your wife's opinion of this bike. I would also like to share mine. Indian should be ashamed of the windshield that comes stock. For the passenger, even all the way up, the wind is too much. After riding over 40 mph for more than 30 minutes, I want to get off and stay off! Can barely hear the music. Have tried both full face and half helmet. Have ordered a different windshield so hopefully that will correct the issue. But for now I would rather not ride at all than be on this bike.
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My wife liked it. I sold that motorcycle.
A solution to heat from the Indian Pursuit engine!
I got my 2023 Indian Pursuit about a year and a half ago and when summertime came I thought I was going to have to get rid of it because of the heat. I already had the catalytic converter removed but there is a lot of heat coming from the top of the cylinders especially the front one. In 95 degree plus heat it was almost unbearable to ride and dangerously hot to ride when around 100 degrees or more. I looked around for some airwings like those made for Honda's but found none that would work.
I had Gustafsson Plastics custom make me some airwings. They do not make any mounting solutions so I had to buy some Honda airwings and use their mount for the custom airwings. The shape of the available airwings is not good enough to bring sufficient air onto the rider, so that is why I had some custom made. These custom make airwings made a big difference in shedding heat away from me. I would post a picture of them but there does not seem to be a way to do that.
I also got the Indian heated and cooled seat. That also helps a lot and it actually gets cool to the touch although it does take several minutes to cool.
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Thank you so much for this awesome review Lt. Simmons.
Jeez Polaris will always act like a corporate and try to save pennies on everything, my 2015 Victory Magnum (supposed to be top of the line at that time) came with a tour pack which usually comes with the cross country, and like you said exactly LT it feels like unfinished cheap plastic.
Also your shifter is exactly the same as mine, I'm gonna check the compatibility and the price of the heel toe shifter for Victory and Indian, I swear to God if they're the same (with the same part number) and they're charging you more for it I'm gonna be furious and I promise I'll let you know.
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HARLEY ISN'T CORPORATE?? OH, PLEASE
Nice honest review, I respect that, and just wanted to add a few comments. You mention it's hot, and I agree, but in my opinion ALL V-twin bikes are. I had an HD Sport Glide that was EXTREMELY hot on the right leg, and that was not fixable, I'm sure you were actually referring to the right side. My Pursuit is not nearly as hot as the HD was, but still can get uncomfortably hot at times, only on the right side. Pipes radiate heat, and that is mainly where you get the heat from, but that is partially fixable. Tab sells the Cat Delete which replaces the converter underneath the bike, and where a great deal of the heat is coming from. Easy to fix since you are replacing the pipes anyway. Of course you will likely need to re-tune it then. Custom Dynamics will solve your lighting issues, my Pursuit did not come with the saddlebag lights, and the CD ones are perfect. They are integrated into the turn signals as well. Not sure why Indian didn't make them that way. Yes, you need new bars, I installed the Folsom style on mine, and I love them! More height and reach. I am 5'9" so you have a nice advantage over me, and if I can set this bike up to fit me properly, you should have no issues. Good Luck with getting her properly setup, I know you will grow to appreciate it more as time goes on. She likes to go long distances, give that a try.
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I got it all set up. I just sold it recently. The video is available on all of it. Actually, there’s a playlist.
Oh, and get yourself a Freedom Shield windshield, they are perfect. I got the 9" one which has the flip and is so much nicer being able to see over it. My short stature was really an issue with that tall stock one. I had them engrave an Indian head from the Dream Catcher collection. Looks great! Take Care
Real truth I tried a lot of the techniques you teach. But with this, so call midrise handle bars not easy to turn
Great review it’s a beautiful bike
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Awesome Video Rob. Right on time. Will be picking up my Pursuit (Premium Package) in Black Smoke tomorrow. Looking forward to putting plenty of miles on it. :)
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Just picked up a 23 Challenger Limited a couple weeks ago! Love that Pursuit! Thanks for all that you do bro!
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Dang, a new $50K+ CVO and a $40K+ Indian right behind it ..... Double Dang Dang and Congrats!
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I have a 23 Elite Challenger and very easily got my running lights to work as brake and signal lights without having to replace the lights. Just a harness which costs about $20. Also, u can use the harbor freight jack and just position it properly. Great video BTW.
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"if you want me to like something, just put a light on it!" that's so me too!! Great looking bike and I'm glad I found your channel. New subscriber!
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That is a gorgeous bike! Congrats! Still loving my RM! Had to plug my rear tire took a big chunk of metal in it. Just rolled it over 27K and loving every mile!
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Hello Big Rob, it was very nice seeing you in my hometown Milwaukee. Thank you for the great review of this machine. The times I have demoed it, I do agree. with your assessment/opinion. To add to the don’t like, I hate the bar on the rear that secure the tour pack, at lease yours is black so it doesn’t stand out as much as the chrome. PRE-LOAD AND KEEP IT LOADED.
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I love to see you have so many options at your disposal. Love this color package on the Pursuit. Absolutely beautiful. Enjoy it!!!
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I own a 22 Challenger Limited. Best American Muscle Bagger Available. Over 14000 miles since last July. I had to get used to it at low speed especially after the Lloyd'z tune always in sport mode and KST bars. Speaking of Lloyd'z they now have cams! Mid 130s tq. Highly recommend, I'm already planning to buy my next one in 25.
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I have an Indian Roudmaster limited - In Australia - Love it
Once you get use to the Indian setup you will hit all controls without looking. Get a fuel Moto tuner for it and your throttle response can be tuned and fuel map. If you think that liquid cool gets hot you should try the Roadmaster being stock that cat in the pipes is the cause of it. Ditch the cat and get a TAB performance header for it. Once you get the tour pack broke in it closes easily.
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“Longer than I first anticipated” 😂😂😂. Gorgeous!!!!!
Thank you for the unbiased review. I own a 2023 Pursuit Limited Premium, and the pros & cons are, like you said, subjective, but others are spot on.
The biggest negative for me was the stock bars. I installed the KST Lakota bars and it made a positive difference in slow speed maneuvers for me.
Thanks and ride safe!
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I'm italian. I love this motorcycle. Next week my husband and I are trying it. I think Is incredible and beatiful.
@@delbonomarzia I think you will enjoy it. 👍🏾
Great video Robert. Love that your willing to work with different manufacturers and models. I had a 22 Pursuit Limited Premium and immediately ordered the Pursuit Elite when the order banks opened. You point out a few of my gripes as well. I have the reduced reach handlebars ordered. The 22 Pursuit I had didn't have the "reduced reach" bars but the bars were closer to me. The Elite has more of a drag bar. Odd decision for a premium touring MC. I'll be changing out my saddle bag light for the Custom Dynamic so the have the brake light and turn signals integrated. The trunk is much easier to close if you just let it slam like a door. I was pushing down like you were and it took a lot of effort to get it to latch. The slam method makes it easier to securely close it.
I agree Rob points out alot of the same gripes I have with my Elite. The saddlebag lighting was an easy fix though. I tapped into the brake light wiring under the seat and it works great!
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A trick I've heard, regarding the lower fairing vents is to angle the vents to deflect air to the motor, rather than straight open towards the legs. It seems to help keep the legs cooler 🇦🇺
Thanks. Someone else suggested that to me. 👍🏾
I agree. I am a Harley guy, but Indian sure looks good.
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Absolutely loving this. Great job More videos on this beautiful INDIAN please. Can't wait to see your upgrades. Thanks🫡
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My FTR would absolutely burn me up after I had been riding more than 10 minutes. If I put it in sport mode it felt like I was seriously being burned. I guess it’s because of the water cooled setup but I’m not sure why. My new road glide has no heat issues yet. I traded my FTR for the road glide so I can’t do a side by side comparison and wouldn’t anyway because they’re vastly different bikes. I would love to do what you did and have a few different bikes in my stable but I don’t even have a garage.
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The only thing for me about this Indian resurrection is that several models remind me of Victory as if simply re-badged, more so the older models as they continue to evolve, but I still see glimpses which turns me off about them, regardless, a nice product, really nice bikes and happy their pushing Harley….
Beautiful machine... Indian is doing a great job. HD needs the competition. If my 3rd and current HD SG goes south, I am going to consider an Indian. My only concern is the lack of dealerships. I am sure that will improve over time. Is this a dry or wet oiling system? How does this suspension compare to the new CVO you rode? That charging plug should also be on all HDs. Not a floppy plug next to the saddlebag. The best part is the engine, which is water cooled. HD needs to pay attention. I don't like the HD kickstand. It always feels skeptical shy to me. It took a while to get used too. They make the throttle that way in sport mode so you can maintain control of the bike. The radiator fans are most likely blowing hot air onto you. My Kawasaki water cooled engine did the same thing. Great review. Thanks :-)
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Thank you for the in depth video! I’m a retired LEO motor and still riding my 2000 HD Road King Classic with 104,000 miles. I’m seriously considering purchasing a new, 2022 Pursuit Limited. The pricing at $23,000 given all of the creature comforts that are standard on the Indian, HD doesn’t even offer.
I’m torn between the Pursuit Limited and the Ultra. I’m only 6’2”, but felt cramped on the Ultra. The steep seat had me in a further forward position and seemed as though I was darn near on top of the bottom edge of the tank. The lowers restricted me from sliding my feet further forward as I’m able to do on my Road King.
Does the Pursuit seat make you sit further forward as I experienced with the Ultra and do the lowers allow for the rider to shift your foot position further forward or under the lowers?
I did watch a video where the new owner discussed the excessive heat you mentioned. He said the heat issue eventually dissipated and cleared up on its own after the break in period. Hopefully it cleared up for you as well.
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Great video as seemingly always Robert - heck you're just getting better and better at these. I reckon, you should be on Indian's dev team :) Can only imagine the great motorcycle they would then produce with your input. You speak for many others in your evaluation and comments - I hope Indian take on board for next years model, which i am sure if they watch your review they will make happen. Sound advice for the designers and engineers for sure.
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At first, I started not to watch this video. Only because I know you're a Harley guy 😂. But know your background. I should at least listen. Living in the BX, we already know it's not many cruisers. I've nothing but Indian motorcycle. When I retired and moved to VA, is when I brought my first motorcycle. Wanted a Harley but customer service sXxk!! When and brought a Indian Roadmaster. Great motorcycle, but I couldn't take the heat!! Traded that in for a 2020 challenger. Never had an issue with heat unless it was super hot outside. With that being said, I ordered the lowers. Didn't realize the difference until the second week of July. It's so hot that I couldn't ride the bike over 80 degrees day. Took the lower off and a much better as far as heat. Coming from a Roadmaster, I was used to the tour pack. To keep a long too long. Everything you touch on is 1000% true. I hope Indian address these concerns
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Thank you. That is the best review on the pursuit that I've seen.
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Nice looking Indian bike and the Elite are the best for sure! I test rode both the Indian Challenger and the Indian Chieftain. I ended up with the Indian Chieftain as I felt better fitted on it. After talking to several people I would like to point out that many are saying if you are under 6' then the Indian Chieftain fits them better and if over 6' then the Challenger fits them better. I am 5'9" so probably why the Indian Chieftain fit me better. Either way, I love my 2024 Indian Chieftain Dark Horse but again yours looks awesome too! I think Indian motorcycles are jsut superior to the Harleys in so many ways.
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Nice video. Thanks. (The alarm/immobilizer feature can be activated using the multi-function, two-button key fob. Note: The alarm system is NOT available on vehicles with a buttonless fob. To activate the alarm, press the LOCK button on the key fob two times. The horn will sound briefly to confirm that the alarm is activated.)
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Challenger owner here. I modified my motorcycle jack with a couple hockey pucks and it works great. I can raise it all the way up for cleaning, maintenance etc...If interested I can send a pic.
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The catalytic converter is where that heat is coming from. Get rid if it and you'll immediately feel the difference. Plus that thing weighs like 15 lbs.
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Nice review! I have a 22 and you nailed all of it! Love my Pursuit! Can’t wait to see what you do with the bars, I have the premium version and they are to low and to far away. I don’t want to go crazy high either. Not into that anymore. And that trunk gap drives me nuts! Some guys on the forums have an easy fix but shouldn’t have to fix it. Ride safe!
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KST now makes a set of 4" pullback bars for the Challenger and Pursuit. I put them on my Pursuit several months ago, and it's been
a game changer. If you get them, take your time with the clutch side heated grip, Indian used WAY too much grip glue, and a new heated grip is around $150.
Beautiful bike… the Pursuit Elite is a real looker, so glad that you can put it through her paces and then compare to the new CVO you just picked up. I am a little biased to the Indian as the Challenger is my first American motorcycle. You should try the Freedom Works Pipes, I put them on my Challenger and they sound very nice.
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I test rode an Indian Pursuit and WOW! Incredible bike. I would LOVE to buy one, but interest rates right now are insane. Incredible bike though.
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nice looking bike. I considered one of the challengers, but that lack of dealer network and the lack of shops in my area that can do anything to them in the event of a problem made my decision to stay with HD
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Is a beautiful motorcycle, the adjustable windshield I love it. enjoy it Robert.
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When you close the trunk you have to push a little bit but it is because they put such a very good rubber around it that's going to last you forever that's how you know that that's don't go inside at the beginning I was thinking the same with a very high quality rubber gasket around the trunk
Great review. I have owned a lot of bikes. I bought my 2020 Indian Challenger new in Aug 2020. Over all it is my favorite bike so far. Yeah a few nit picky things on the fit and finish. But love the engine, trans, ride and handling. Not sure if the 2023's ECU has been cracked yet. But if it has look at getting the ECU flashed by Hoonies or Llyodz. Really adds to the over all performance of the bike. Nice color choice on that Challenger. In 2020 there were very limited color choices. Glad to see Indian did something about that. Keep the shiny side up!
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LOVE my challenger dark horse! If I win the powerball then I'll get a a Pursuit Elite to travel with.
Great video, Rob. Beautiful Indian.
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This was a great review brother. That is definitely a great looking bike. However, my prediction is you won't keep this long. Time will tell!
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Well I thought I was gonna have the opportunity to buy a used to Elite. Looks like you're gonna enjoy this beautiful bike for a while. Looking forward to seeing the upgrades enjoy.
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Beautiful bike. I have a 2022 Pursuit. Would like to see you do a video on installing Drop Guards on the Pursuit. I'm having a little trouble installing the front guards. The Drop Guards are 3/8 in thick and the gap between the crash bars and lower fairing is about a 1/4 in. Fairing is pressed tight against the guards after installing.
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Thanks for the review Robert. I have really enjoyed your content! Be blessed and be safe!
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I love the Indian on the front fender.
I'm sure you buy your bikes for your pleasure but also to make content for the channel, but there were a lot of things about the bike that you don't like so I'm surprise you purchase it. Keep saving lives bro
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Remember I started the video by saying none of the things that I wasn’t crazy about were deal breakers. The pros far outweigh the cons.
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After the pipes do a Lloydz tune. You’ll be happy. And the bars.
Nice review.
I ride a 2013 Vic XC. That bikes daddy!
97k on it, probably a Persuit in my near future!
Ride well and Ride on !🍻
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Looking forward to what handlebars you end up getting. I switched to the Indian Mid rise and they still are not fully comfortable for small turns at slow speeds. Update us on what you end up getting with some links. Thanks for what you do as your videos help me ride more confident. Ride fast, yet safe!
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for my challenger i had to get the kst Lakota bars to bring them closer and they are also narrower than factory. a regular jack will lift it fine i use a harbor freight fine with it it just tilts to one side some people say u can crush the brake lines but they are above the frame level so you would have to miss the frame to hit them.
The bike looks really nice but the fact about jacking it up is a major issue to me. Anyway as usual great video. Apparently that bike is limited as far as customizable .. looks like Harley's 2023 CVO copied the Indian..Thanks
My dream bike...... Looking forward to future videos of the bike
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i am planning on purchasing in the near future. after seeing your review of the trunk (gaps and flip forward hinge), I may go with the challenger instead and go aftermarket for the trunk when the need arises.
great review!
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I really appreciate your overview of the bike. I watched your video on the wobble as well. I just picked up my bike on Friday. I'll be taking it in this Friday for the 500 mile service. I can't get my front wheel steering lock to work. I found an online webpage that says to turn the wheel fully to the left and then turn the steering wheel key counter clockwise to engage. Mine doesn't do anything. Wondering if anyone else has had this problem.
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Who ever told you that you can’t use a normal jack was wrong. Yes a 2x4 block on all corners is needed but like the Roadmaster you can lift the whole bike.
Pssst,,someone is following you around ,,and their recording your every movement ,, lol ,,great job man,,,
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This is my first time looking at your channel. I was looking at this motorcycle online and thought it looked really stunning, so went looking for reviews. I think I saw a thumbnail that you've sold it already, though, is that right? Did you find a better bike?
Did you ever ride the Victory Vision? That was another stunning cruiser.
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Yes I sold my Indian. There’s a video on it. Never rode any Victory.
Check out after market ecm tune, smooths out throttle and eleminates rpm and speed limiters. Loydzs is one.
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You cannot tune a 23 yet. Just fyi
Try psr levers they're adjustable. They'll help with your clutch engagement and torch industries bars.
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Excellent review, very comprehensive - thank you! I'm looking at a new Pursuit or the new CVO Road Glide. One of the main things I want is to be able to lift the bike up for cleaning, and it appears this may be an issue for the Pursuit. I don't know about the CVO, and I don't think the CVO's are available for test rides either - understandable, but unfortunate. Looking forward to seeing your comparison of this to your new CVO!
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Go to one of the big rallies near you that Harley goes to and do a demo ride there
Great review! Thank you and good luck with her!
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I'm a die hard Harley guy, but dang thats a sharp bike!
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When you stated it’s a hot bike to ride, and heat management is poor, you reinforced my decision to buy a 2013 Honda Goldwing six speed. The Indian is a sharp looking ride but can’t perform like the wing. Fit and finish is a Harley specialty, but so is high costs.
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Appreciate you being objective and look forward to seeing what you do with this. However I really look forward to your review of the new Road Glide or CVO.
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I’ve actually done several reviews on the 2023 CVO Road Glide. Check out my channel for the 2023 CVO Playlist.
Looking real good there, Robert! Depending on what HD does with its 2024 Road Glide, I’m strongly leaning towards an Indian DH Premium.
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Excellent review, as expected. Very NICE looking bike..
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