I think I have a problem. I simply cannot stop watching these videos! If I ever feel a Bonham mood coming on I'll just watch a couple of these videos and BAM I end up jamming to Led Zep for hours on end. I love it! I also sincerely appreciate the long tangents that occur every so often ahaha! Essentially these videos help me channel my inner John Bonham. So, thank you!
Back in the day, when Led Zeppelin's 1st albums hit the air waves, it was like nothing else out there. We never thought to break down the music to find out why it sounded so cool, but now looking back, it was pure genius. Four talented musicians who have left a legacy for future generations to enjoy! By the way keep up the great videos! Subscribed!
Absolutely love these recoding analysis videos! Very entertaining and educational. One can really tell you have a deep love and appreciation for drumming, Bonham and zeppelin. I just like seeing some one who is as crazy and obsessed with Zeppelin/Bonzo as I am, down to the littlest detail I enjoy learning it all. Anyways, thanks for the great video Terry loving this series keep up the good work man!
Mate, one of your best videos I've watched so far. Found your channel 3-4wks ago so not seen many but, your knowledge and passion for both drum equipment and zeppelin is outstanding, geeky and a little scarey all in one. Great stuff.
You are correct sir.....Bonham and the Paiste cymbals are my favorite parts of several of my favorite tunes........like the part at the end......now you reminded me of that part just before the song starts (I did wear out several vinyl LP's back after that came out but now I have a half-speed remastered on virgin vinyl I got from Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs I got back around 1980) in perfect conditions and the regular store bought original that is still in nice condition mainly because my turntable croaked on me so these days I only get to play the CD version......but now I really have to listen to the several parts you mentioned so this may get me to buy a new turntable and I still have my 1000 watts of Carver Magnetic Field amps and the vacuum tube pre-amp and a couple pairs of speakers (the Carver Amazing Loudspeakers and a pair of Bose 701's rebuilt with modern drivers) ......and yes I have heard the sound of a otter before (hey I live on 5 acres with a pond and creek and trout so I have showed them my otter no trespassing sign) so I can't wait to listen closely to what you mentioned ........I would get a new drum kit but a certain women.......um....has awful musical taste and ........well........
thankyou, I've always heard what you said thankyou so much for breaking it down..I am a very technical searching on things such as this...like behind the scenes, backstage anything,walking out onto stage and crowd goes fricken berserk, interviews...I love this shit to Terry...what I thought I was hearing ????..great video..Keep up the awesome channel....us drummers and led zeplin heads love it....JEFF C.
When you're talking about how Plant adds "R's" in words because of his accent I automatically thought of Living Loving Maid where at the beginning of the song instead of saying umbrella he says umbreller lol.
The intro fft fft noise is from a level being brought up, possibly to a send. Since it's in time with the song, it was probably a count-in that they tried to excise by bringing the fader up. It must have been something they all needed to hear. It would be interesting to know what date it was recorded because the whole introduction to Celebration Day was erased/taped over and unable to be restored. Wonder if Page said, "Hell no, we're not going to try to snip the tape to get ride of the intro!" He must have wanted it gone because it's not on any CD release or compilation. The weird little squealy noise at the beginning might be Bonham's kick pedal. It squeaks throughout Zeppelin III, most notably on Since I've Been Loving You. Because Page used very few mics on Bonham's kit, he cranked the gain on them and picked up every little squeak.You can hear Bonham humming on some songs.
It's the delay for Page's guitar, post tracking with the feedback up with no audio signal passing through it. They comped and used tons of makeup gain in the intro to bring up the hiss. I like to think of it as a way to give the impression of ocean surf, the viking ship coming ashore.
I just recorded the Immigrant song after learning it by ear in 2 mins, didnt have my counts down, cant sing, but came it out. That is the most forgiving song to play, atleast for a guitar player anyway. It rocks and is fun and easy to play. Thanks for the video on this incredible song.
Hi Terry. i believe that bird sound you hear is the sound of the tape bleeding into the next layer of tape as it is going around the spool. It sounds exactly like Plant's voice does a couple of seconds later, which is how long it would take for the spool to rotate once. When there is a loud spot on the recording tape, it can bleed through to a quiet spot on the next layer of tape. What do you think? Possible?
Hey Terry, nice analysis of Immigrant Song! Those birds or dying otters in heat, I have an opinion. When playing vinyl don't rule out the quiet vibrations of an adjacent groove in the record. I heard them on other recordings where you hear the existing groove but because of the proximity of the adjacent groove you can hear that sometimes. The dying otter/birds may be Plant's vocal. Just a thourght. ;)
I didn't actually hear the "bird sound" at the very beginning but I do hear it clear as day around 25-26 seconds. To my humble ear, it reminded me of like when you slide the side of a pick against the G B E strings on an electric guitar? Wait I think I hear it at the start now and I'm probably imagining it but it sounds like the scratching actually gets lower i.e. scratching the strings going away from the bridge.... Edit: I'm more and more convinced with each example throughout the song, you can almost hear the grooves on the string. Oh great, now you've got me going insane...
Spot on about the track speeding up! Noticed that the first time I heard this song! Happens when page introduces the c9 chord! Great track! Up the Irish!!!
During the TV writers' strike a few years ago, Conan O'Brien, who was still hosting Late Night on NBC, did a bit where he zip lined down the stairs through the audience, kicking over John Wilkes Booth and saving Lincoln from getting shot, all while the band played the Immigrant Song. It was awesome.
I've always heard the clicks/counting at the beginning and the other sounds you were talking about I just assumed was Page playing another track, possibly using a violin bow or a track laid down-low during mixing? Have you ever heard Mick Jagger's background vocals bleeding thru the first chorus on Sympathy for the Devil? Or the harmonic "bells" sound EVH gets on Cathedral?
Im 51 and im a prog / traditional metal guy I sing but i love drums too I have Sonor Designers with Meinl Byzance cymbals I just badh around but im starting to get serious Im learning a lot watching uour videos Youre a great teacher Thanks For me,Carl Palmer is the greatest drummer ever I love Bonzo too , naturally
You're so darn right; there is a high pitched seagull-ish sound ringing there. You're not crazy. You know how guitarists are not allowed to play or discuss Stairway To Heaven in guitar shops... Well, in all of our drum talk - what is the most cliched topic in Bonham-speak? I think it's the squeaky Ludwig Speed Kind bass drum pedal in Since I've Been Loving You. Also - in listening to the "Pfft (1) pfft (2) pfft (3) pfft (4)" in the beginning of Immigrant Song... I also hear what sounds like two foot taps for every ONE pfft... Like there's two slight pressure sounds for every one pfft... Terry, I absolutely love how you take me in on these little sound trips in relation to Zeppelin. I have two things working here; I have my tablet to listen to your narrative. Then I have my phone to quickly look up every little audio thing you have me searching for. I love it. By the way - this is Kevin Kiso - one of your subscribers from a few years ago. My account got hacked so now I'm using a combo of my grandfather's names, i.e., Al Greaves. I love you man. I love Led Zeppelin. I love BONZOLEUM. Post script: when I was seven years old and turning eight. I was at my grandpa Greaves' house in Salem Oregon - down visiting from here in Seattle. Anyways, he was offering to buy me a bicycle for my eighth bday, but I had found this little orange book like thing made by Paiste and it had all of their drummer/endorsers in this strange little book and John Bonham was in there. So I asked if we could go to a music store - we did and I saw a sixteen inch Paiste crash cymbal and it was fckn expensive... I just had to have it because I couldn't believe that I would be able to sleep with something that John Bonham also owned... Too weird? I was still playing on my oatmeal tins and plastic topped cans. But I had this fckn cymbal and it meant the world to me. Did you see that orange Paiste booklet in your local music store? Anybody? In '74 - '76?
In a ton of live versions and bootlegs Bonzo rides that crash cymbal during Page's soloing in Immigrant Song, and he rides it for the whole duration of the guitar solo , you can really hear it in the 9/29/71 Osaka, Japan bootleg.
I swear, I can hear the "birds" in one of the live versions of Kashmir too. I would assume it's reverb or residual sympathetic notes. The keys, in between the keys. Page's progression is very similar to what is taught in Indian music. Very non-linear and freakin' amazing.
Terry..maybe you could say some words about Bonham's drum work on the live version of Immigrant song from 1972. He really lays down the jams on that video! I imagine you may have already covered that before but not sure?
What I've always wondered about is if there is an electric organ backing Plant's wailing at the beginning of the song (or anytime he sings that line, actually). You can hear, there's something else going when he sings that line....of course the song has a bunch of 'verb going on in it, too, and that might also be the effect I'm hearing.
OMG I never noticed this before but can you hear? I think they muted the attack on almost all the cymbal crashes? Either that or Bonham specifically chose to attack them that way. It gives it almost a pull back lurch forward feel in keeping with the horse gallop impending coming for you theme. WDYT? Or I'm crazier than you when you made this 5 years ago LOL
Hi Terry I believe those birds are possibly skuas. I have seen and heard them about 50 years ago when in The British Merchant Navy and sailed about Norway. Just a thought. From a New Zealander.
Took me a long fucking time to hear those bird sounds, but they're there. I heard them predominantly in my left ear. Super faint though, it might just be my headphones.
I disagree. It sounds more similar to a guitar oriented feedback issue. Plus in the first 5 seconds you hear that strange, feint, "bird" sound TWICE which wouldn't fit with it being the last ringing of a cymbal.
Another example of the Tape Bleed i was talking about happens in "The Ocean" right at the beginning. John says 1,2,3,4. In the silence between 3 and 4 you can slightly hear the opening guitar riff one spool rotation sooner than the song starts.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm positive that the "birds" you're talking about is just Robert screaming/singing kinda thing. If you watch any of the 8mm or 16mm film uploaded by LedZepFilm (with Immigrant song in it), you'll see him (Plant) screaming into the microphone.
Really late to the party here! Just listened on headphone to the remaster. As the pft pft pft pft comes in, not only does it get louder, but it also sounds like it gets louder in different places in the stereo field. My thinking is that this could be the mix engineer unmuting channels on the desk for the different mics just as the mix session starts. This would usually have been edited out, but as the engineer comes in almost as a count in they kept it. Just a thought!!!
THIS! I was reading to see if someone suggested this. I assumed it years ago and took it for granted. Then recently with discussions on it I chalked it up to the digital age and the loss of sounds we all just took as normal parts of dirty recording. Thanks for saying what I was thinking too.
The "bird" sound is definitely there, but I think its more of a whiny, shriek sound. That IS feedback. It is the loudest at 4 seconds then the volume decreases lower and lower, and actually, you can hear that sound throughout the song if you pay close enough attention to it. I can hear it again at 27 seconds and a few other times.
I love my 502 Plus 18" crash and 20" ride. I also had a 20" PST5 ride that cost me £25 that was pretty damn good. I also invested in a set of Zyns for £40 that I believe use the same nickel/silver ratio as the 502 range (and indeed the 2002s). The 16" Zyn is lovely. You don't have to spend a fortune to have good cymbals.
I always imagined the "phht..phht..." thing was that they were recording over old audio tape (which always, in my humble experience, left some residue sound which came across backwards if you flipped the tape!), whilst increasing the volume. And, thanks, I hadn't noticed the counting in before. In the new re-release CD, the 'studio' version has the "phht.." and omits the count-in! The new re-release CD alternate mix has the "phht..."s AND count-in. Makes me miss my vinyl! Although, I may have worn out the details :)
I wish you could teach me the triplet that Bonham plays ( I'm a old lady trying to find an easy Led Zeppelin song ).....to play for my sister. .....She asked me to play her anything from Led Zeppelin since you're the expert. What would you think the easiest song would be for me to play a Led Zeppelin song I watch you all the time I think you're awesome .....and thank you for all the enthusiasm and the crazy fun that you make it OK
Also, in spite of what Page has said about the intro, to my ears it sounds like a 4 track (or some tape machine) with a dirty tape coming up to speed, perhaps in parallel with the echo effect he's cited in his remarks about the tune. Have had a similar effect on many, many 4-track machines over time.
Could the, what you called "Pff, Pff, pff, pff," be the masters of each individual track opening at separate times. It almost sounds like the abbey road vinyl mastering tool that waves makes. I always thought it was just a creative way to open each track.
To me, if you listen closely, I think that high-pitched "bird sound" you're hearing is an overtone from the ringing of that 18" giant beat. The sound comes usually 4 or 5 seconds right after a crash hit, that's the most logical thing I can think of... It makes sense, no?
Oh, also, the pulsing at the beginning sounds like an echo machine being played backwards since it starts quiet and gets louder. And it's not in time with the music.
Really interesting video but I can´t hear any birds, I´ll have to keep listening. One thing I´m curious about though is another noise I´ve always heard. Maybe it´s well known, I don´t know. It´s on The ocean at 1:38 and 1:42, there´s a phone ringing in the back ground. Has anyone else heard that?.
Wow! I heard your "birds"! But to me it sounds like a back-up alarm on a tri-axle. "Birds?" You've got weird birds in Chi-town. That's OK though. All good. I've been listening to this song for like 40 years and never noticed that. It pulses on and off, starting at three seconds in and continues to about 10 seconds. Can't unhear it now though...
Yeah, the pedal squeak ... I loved the Speedking they had in my school band, it's like they say, all you do is think about it and the pedal will play it. Do you like that JoJo Mayer pedal? I'll have to buy it to try it, nobody stocks them ...
Maybe the "birds" are just feedback like you mentioned, but what if the feedback was created purposefully in order to create a bird effect? I see what you mean with the vultures because Valhalla is where warriors go when they die. I believe the vultures swooping in on a corpse is the indication of death because even if someone is slightly alive, the vulture will finish them off, solidifying the transition to Valhalla. *Hopefully this makes sense
The rhythmic noise at the beginning sounds like a very compressed tape background noise to me. Also its 'rhythm' doesn't coincide with Bonzo's counting at all.
Does anyone have an explanation for the intro how it comes in all hissy? What's the reasoning for it? He sort of brushed over it and didn't say what made the noise. Thanks.
I hear the squeal noise. It might be print thru of the first arrrr ah arrrrrrrrrrr ah. Could be. Also right at the start he hits 2 cymbals, the 2nd being higher pitched but shorter so the first cymbal rings thru for longer
lol i DON'T HEAR NO steenkin birds! Got a good setup too 4 listenin. Mackie HR8's in a treated room. What I hear is the delayed verb of Page's guitar panned right that is quarter step behind the main guitar that's panned left, that and some feedbacky like overtones that might get peaky amidst all the busywork. Bass don't come in until "Come to the land of the ice and snow..."
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I think I have a problem. I simply cannot stop watching these videos! If I ever feel a Bonham mood coming on I'll just watch a couple of these videos and BAM I end up jamming to Led Zep for hours on end. I love it! I also sincerely appreciate the long tangents that occur every so often ahaha!
Essentially these videos help me channel my inner John Bonham.
So, thank you!
Back in the day, when Led Zeppelin's 1st albums hit the air waves, it was like nothing else out there. We never thought to break down the music to find out why it sounded so cool, but now looking back, it was pure genius. Four talented musicians who have left a legacy for future generations to enjoy! By the way keep up the great videos! Subscribed!
Thank you, O7C!!!
Absolutely love these recoding analysis videos! Very entertaining and educational. One can really tell you have a deep love and appreciation for drumming, Bonham and zeppelin. I just like seeing some one who is as crazy and obsessed with Zeppelin/Bonzo as I am, down to the littlest detail I enjoy learning it all. Anyways, thanks for the great video Terry loving this series keep up the good work man!
Thanks 😊 I really appreciate you taking the time to teach each and everyone of us!!! LOVE that CYMBAL!!!
I love your videos man. You are spot on about Led Zeppelin and hilarious
Terry, I am literally speechless as to how you hear these things. I went back and heard everything you spoke on. FREAKING WICKED!!!
2:20 and they kill it! Thanks bro, you always put out a laughter.
Mate, one of your best videos I've watched so far. Found your channel 3-4wks ago so not seen many but, your knowledge and passion for both drum equipment and zeppelin is outstanding, geeky and a little scarey all in one.
Great stuff.
Thank you John-welcome aboard!!!!
I have been absorbing your videos for two full days now... Just fucking awesome... So much information and it's all soo cool. Thank you.
OMG, I had thought that I was the only dude who digs deep into the recordings that I love. Apparently not! Well done, sir!
One of my favorite videos of yours. Haaalp! I can't stop watching...
ive just now discovered your channel,you are fantastic at hearing the subtleties in Zep's body of recorded work.keep onword,good health to you!
Thank you sincerely, Stephen! Good health to you and all too!!!
This might be my favorite You Tube video ever! Fantastic!
3:45 Link Wray's "Rumble". Jimmy is a huge fan of his work.
Yes! I was going to say the same thing!
man thank you so much. you can really explain it and play it just right to get a good grasp on the fundamentals
You are correct sir.....Bonham and the Paiste cymbals are my favorite parts of several of my favorite tunes........like the part at the end......now you reminded me of that part just before the song starts (I did wear out several vinyl LP's back after that came out but now I have a half-speed remastered on virgin vinyl I got from Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs I got back around 1980) in perfect conditions and the regular store bought original that is still in nice condition mainly because my turntable croaked on me so these days I only get to play the CD version......but now I really have to listen to the several parts you mentioned so this may get me to buy a new turntable and I still have my 1000 watts of Carver Magnetic Field amps and the vacuum tube pre-amp and a couple pairs of speakers (the Carver Amazing Loudspeakers and a pair of Bose 701's rebuilt with modern drivers) ......and yes I have heard the sound of a otter before (hey I live on 5 acres with a pond and creek and trout so I have showed them my otter no trespassing sign) so I can't wait to listen closely to what you mentioned ........I would get a new drum kit but a certain women.......um....has awful musical taste and ........well........
thankyou, I've always heard what you said thankyou so much for breaking it down..I am a very technical searching on things such as this...like behind the scenes, backstage anything,walking out onto stage and crowd goes fricken berserk, interviews...I love this shit to Terry...what I thought I was hearing ????..great video..Keep up the awesome channel....us drummers and led zeplin heads love it....JEFF C.
Very informative as always. Love your style and appreciate your expertise.
Reaaalllllly enjoying these!!! Been sharing with a friend. I also like how you've been jumping around. Maybe something off Coda soon? :)
The echoing noise at the very beginning of the song can also be heard in the beginning of Friends.
When you're talking about how Plant adds "R's" in words because of his accent I automatically thought of Living Loving Maid where at the beginning of the song instead of saying umbrella he says umbreller lol.
The intro fft fft noise is from a level being brought up, possibly to a send. Since it's in time with the song, it was probably a count-in that they tried to excise by bringing the fader up. It must have been something they all needed to hear. It would be interesting to know what date it was recorded because the whole introduction to Celebration Day was erased/taped over and unable to be restored. Wonder if Page said, "Hell no, we're not going to try to snip the tape to get ride of the intro!" He must have wanted it gone because it's not on any CD release or compilation. The weird little squealy noise at the beginning might be Bonham's kick pedal. It squeaks throughout Zeppelin III, most notably on Since I've Been Loving You. Because Page used very few mics on Bonham's kit, he cranked the gain on them and picked up every little squeak.You can hear Bonham humming on some songs.
It's the delay for Page's guitar, post tracking with the feedback up with no audio signal passing through it. They comped and used tons of makeup gain in the intro to bring up the hiss. I like to think of it as a way to give the impression of ocean surf, the viking ship coming ashore.
I don't even own drums but your videos are intoxicatingly entertaining
You are great thanks a lot for sheering this knowledge bonzoleum is favorite channel!
the sound when Plant says "now you better STOP" is pretty cool. right on the word STOP
Hey Terry, I love these analysis videos! Could you possibly do more in the future?
Thanks :)
I just recorded the Immigrant song after learning it by ear in 2 mins, didnt have my counts down, cant sing, but came it out. That is the most forgiving song to play, atleast for a guitar player anyway. It rocks and is fun and easy to play. Thanks for the video on this incredible song.
The 'bird' noises near the start are Bonzos kick drum pedal squeaking i've always thought..
+Nigel Fortune the speed king squeak
great video now hearing new things i never knew were there many thanks
Terrific, Leon!
I love these videos so much! haha
Hi Terry. i believe that bird sound you hear is the sound of the tape bleeding into the next layer of tape as it is going around the spool. It sounds exactly like Plant's voice does a couple of seconds later, which is how long it would take for the spool to rotate once. When there is a loud spot on the recording tape, it can bleed through to a quiet spot on the next layer of tape. What do you think? Possible?
It does indeed speed up a tad around 1:50. Thought provoking vid Terry!
Hey Terry, nice analysis of Immigrant Song! Those birds or dying otters in heat, I have an opinion. When playing vinyl don't rule out the quiet vibrations of an adjacent groove in the record. I heard them on other recordings where you hear the existing groove but because of the proximity of the adjacent groove you can hear that sometimes. The dying otter/birds may be Plant's vocal. Just a thourght. ;)
I didn't actually hear the "bird sound" at the very beginning but I do hear it clear as day around 25-26 seconds. To my humble ear, it reminded me of like when you slide the side of a pick against the G B E strings on an electric guitar?
Wait I think I hear it at the start now and I'm probably imagining it but it sounds like the scratching actually gets lower i.e. scratching the strings going away from the bridge....
Edit: I'm more and more convinced with each example throughout the song, you can almost hear the grooves on the string. Oh great, now you've got me going insane...
I don't even play drums and I'm loven this channel. I might have to pick up a set in my old age lol
I am thinking the same thing at 60! All these lessons for *FREE* on TH-cam! For any instrument!
Spot on about the track speeding up! Noticed that the first time I heard this song! Happens when page introduces the c9 chord! Great track! Up the Irish!!!
That’s my favorite Zeppelin song! It’s a master piece!
During the TV writers' strike a few years ago, Conan O'Brien, who was still hosting Late Night on NBC, did a bit where he zip lined down the stairs through the audience, kicking over John Wilkes Booth and saving Lincoln from getting shot, all while the band played the Immigrant Song.
It was awesome.
I've always heard the clicks/counting at the beginning and the other sounds you were talking about I just assumed was Page playing another track, possibly using a violin bow or a track laid down-low during mixing? Have you ever heard Mick Jagger's background vocals bleeding thru the first chorus on Sympathy for the Devil? Or the harmonic "bells" sound EVH gets on Cathedral?
Im 51 and im a prog / traditional metal guy I sing but i love drums too I have Sonor Designers with Meinl Byzance cymbals I just badh around but im starting to get serious Im learning a lot watching uour videos Youre a great teacher Thanks For me,Carl Palmer is the greatest drummer ever I love Bonzo too , naturally
You're so darn right; there is a high pitched seagull-ish sound ringing there. You're not crazy. You know how guitarists are not allowed to play or discuss Stairway To Heaven in guitar shops... Well, in all of our drum talk - what is the most cliched topic in Bonham-speak? I think it's the squeaky Ludwig Speed Kind bass drum pedal in Since I've Been Loving You. Also - in listening to the "Pfft (1) pfft (2) pfft (3) pfft (4)" in the beginning of Immigrant Song... I also hear what sounds like two foot taps for every ONE pfft... Like there's two slight pressure sounds for every one pfft... Terry, I absolutely love how you take me in on these little sound trips in relation to Zeppelin. I have two things working here; I have my tablet to listen to your narrative. Then I have my phone to quickly look up every little audio thing you have me searching for. I love it. By the way - this is Kevin Kiso - one of your subscribers from a few years ago. My account got hacked so now I'm using a combo of my grandfather's names, i.e., Al Greaves. I love you man. I love Led Zeppelin. I love BONZOLEUM. Post script: when I was seven years old and turning eight. I was at my grandpa Greaves' house in Salem Oregon - down visiting from here in Seattle. Anyways, he was offering to buy me a bicycle for my eighth bday, but I had found this little orange book like thing made by Paiste and it had all of their drummer/endorsers in this strange little book and John Bonham was in there. So I asked if we could go to a music store - we did and I saw a sixteen inch Paiste crash cymbal and it was fckn expensive... I just had to have it because I couldn't believe that I would be able to sleep with something that John Bonham also owned... Too weird? I was still playing on my oatmeal tins and plastic topped cans. But I had this fckn cymbal and it meant the world to me. Did you see that orange Paiste booklet in your local music store? Anybody? In '74 - '76?
In a ton of live versions and bootlegs Bonzo rides that crash cymbal during Page's soloing in Immigrant Song, and he rides it for the whole duration of the guitar solo , you can really hear it in the 9/29/71 Osaka, Japan bootleg.
Yeah that intro fuzz/hiss noise sounds like a compressor kicking up the quiet room noise or tape noise.
I swear, I can hear the "birds" in one of the live versions of Kashmir too. I would assume it's reverb or residual sympathetic notes. The keys, in between the keys. Page's progression is very similar to what is taught in Indian music. Very non-linear and freakin' amazing.
Terry..maybe you could say some words about Bonham's drum work on the live version of Immigrant song from 1972. He really lays down the jams on that video! I imagine you may have already covered that before but not sure?
What I've always wondered about is if there is an electric organ backing Plant's wailing at the beginning of the song (or anytime he sings that line, actually). You can hear, there's something else going when he sings that line....of course the song has a bunch of 'verb going on in it, too, and that might also be the effect I'm hearing.
i'm a guitar player and I give at least two shits
OMG I never noticed this before but can you hear? I think they muted the attack on almost all the cymbal crashes? Either that or Bonham specifically chose to attack them that way. It gives it almost a pull back lurch forward feel in keeping with the horse gallop impending coming for you theme. WDYT? Or I'm crazier than you when you made this 5 years ago LOL
It's the limiters I think, but you can actually hear that crash at the end sustain like there's no tomorrow. That's a Paiste Giant Beat all day!
@@bonzoleum Yeah that's just the best part, and I liked how you did the same to end this video :)
i just went back and heard all of that you speak of.... frigging crazy.
Hi Terry I believe those birds are possibly skuas. I have seen and heard them about 50 years ago when in The British Merchant Navy and sailed about Norway. Just a thought. From a New Zealander.
Took me a long fucking time to hear those bird sounds, but they're there. I heard them predominantly in my left ear. Super faint though, it might just be my headphones.
i think what you're hearing is the last little ringing of the cymbals at 4 seconds and when he sings hammer of the gods
I disagree. It sounds more similar to a guitar oriented feedback issue. Plus in the first 5 seconds you hear that strange, feint, "bird" sound TWICE which wouldn't fit with it being the last ringing of a cymbal.
Another example of the Tape Bleed i was talking about happens in "The Ocean" right at the beginning. John says 1,2,3,4. In the silence between 3 and 4 you can slightly hear the opening guitar riff one spool rotation sooner than the song starts.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm positive that the "birds" you're talking about is just Robert screaming/singing kinda thing. If you watch any of the 8mm or 16mm film uploaded by LedZepFilm (with Immigrant song in it), you'll see him (Plant) screaming into the microphone.
Really late to the party here!
Just listened on headphone to the remaster. As the pft pft pft pft comes in, not only does it get louder, but it also sounds like it gets louder in different places in the stereo field.
My thinking is that this could be the mix engineer unmuting channels on the desk for the different mics just as the mix session starts.
This would usually have been edited out, but as the engineer comes in almost as a count in they kept it.
Just a thought!!!
THIS! I was reading to see if someone suggested this. I assumed it years ago and took it for granted. Then recently with discussions on it I chalked it up to the digital age and the loss of sounds we all just took as normal parts of dirty recording. Thanks for saying what I was thinking too.
The bird noise sounds like Plant screaming in the distance and it's being picked up by the drum mikes.
The "bird" sound is definitely there, but I think its more of a whiny, shriek sound. That IS feedback. It is the loudest at 4 seconds then the volume decreases lower and lower, and actually, you can hear that sound throughout the song if you pay close enough attention to it. I can hear it again at 27 seconds and a few other times.
I love my 502 Plus 18" crash and 20" ride. I also had a 20" PST5 ride that cost me £25 that was pretty damn good. I also invested in a set of Zyns for £40 that I believe use the same nickel/silver ratio as the 502 range (and indeed the 2002s). The 16" Zyn is lovely. You don't have to spend a fortune to have good cymbals.
zeppelin always keeps you wondering . thats the trick . bonzleum is realy right on . great work
Thank you sincerely, Jerry!
I always imagined the "phht..phht..." thing was that they were recording over old audio tape (which always, in my humble experience, left some residue sound which came across backwards if you flipped the tape!), whilst increasing the volume.
And, thanks, I hadn't noticed the counting in before.
In the new re-release CD, the 'studio' version has the "phht.." and omits the count-in! The new re-release CD alternate mix has the "phht..."s AND count-in.
Makes me miss my vinyl! Although, I may have worn out the details :)
I wish you could teach me the triplet that Bonham plays ( I'm a old lady trying to find an easy Led Zeppelin song ).....to play for my sister. .....She asked me to play her anything from Led Zeppelin since you're the expert. What would you think the easiest song would be for me to play a Led Zeppelin song I watch you all the time I think you're awesome .....and thank you for all the enthusiasm and the crazy fun that you make it OK
I forgot.......my name is Debbie....🎶🎼☮️㊙️🉐㊗️☮️
"cymbal hanging over the edge" finale... priceless.
Your hair is really nice in this.
It is not the ua1176 kicking down compression. I once read somewhere the engineer compressed it on master and regretted it and couldn't take it off.
Also, in spite of what Page has said about the intro, to my ears it sounds like a 4 track (or some tape machine) with a dirty tape coming up to speed, perhaps in parallel with the echo effect he's cited in his remarks about the tune. Have had a similar effect on many, many 4-track machines over time.
Such an ear for detail! I just hear thundering hoards of Vikings charging into battle!!!
Also, have you ever picked up on Bonzo's flub-beat on Wanton Song?
Could the, what you called "Pff, Pff, pff, pff," be the masters of each individual track opening at separate times. It almost sounds like the abbey road vinyl mastering tool that waves makes. I always thought it was just a creative way to open each track.
To me, if you listen closely, I think that high-pitched "bird sound" you're hearing is an overtone from the ringing of that 18" giant beat. The sound comes usually 4 or 5 seconds right after a crash hit, that's the most logical thing I can think of... It makes sense, no?
Splendid Sunday evening viewing during these giddy times...
Oh, also, the pulsing at the beginning sounds like an echo machine being played backwards since it starts quiet and gets louder. And it's not in time with the music.
Funny as hell. Insightful. Entertaining. What else is there?! :D
Really interesting video but I can´t hear any birds, I´ll have to keep listening.
One thing I´m curious about though is another noise I´ve always heard. Maybe it´s well known, I don´t know. It´s on The ocean at 1:38 and 1:42, there´s a phone ringing in the back ground. Has anyone else heard that?.
I just checked and holy crap it's right at 1:38 to 1:40 ish
Susan your burnt out im laughing so hard your exactly right about him he thinks he's crazy but he's just nervous thats it too funny
Wow! I heard your "birds"!
But to me it sounds like a back-up alarm on a tri-axle.
"Birds?" You've got weird birds in Chi-town. That's OK though. All good.
I've been listening to this song for like 40 years and never noticed that.
It pulses on and off, starting at three seconds in and continues to about 10 seconds.
Can't unhear it now though...
To me the bird noises sound alot like the screaching of a falling bomb.
Yeah, the pedal squeak ... I loved the Speedking they had in my school band, it's like they say, all you do is think about it and the pedal will play it. Do you like that JoJo Mayer pedal? I'll have to buy it to try it,
nobody stocks them ...
that crash cymbal isnt bonham's 24 inches ride ? like he hits it in the song when the levee breaks ?
Another cool lesson...right on man
guess what my ringtone is, well you have just heard the analysis of it.
isn't that intro backmasked?
I think it's a reverse echo with jimmys therman . Also the kick pedal needs some oil on the springs.
that's what we call a drum riser Terry 02-09
Maybe the "birds" are just feedback like you mentioned, but what if the feedback was created purposefully in order to create a bird effect? I see what you mean with the vultures because Valhalla is where warriors go when they die. I believe the vultures swooping in on a corpse is the indication of death because even if someone is slightly alive, the vulture will finish them off, solidifying the transition to Valhalla. *Hopefully this makes sense
I hear ya- you hit it on the head-thank you, Buck!
Terry, you mean Link Rays "Rumble." The amplifier driven vibrato.
The "bird noises" you are talking about are Plants microphone feedback
The rhythmic noise at the beginning sounds like a very compressed tape background noise to me. Also its 'rhythm' doesn't coincide with Bonzo's counting at all.
Ok. Now it makes total sense to me.
Can you do "The Rain Song"? Please?!
Hey do you know a band called ed zeppelin? I think you will like them, they suit your style of playing
I hear it here (at the beginning)! Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song
3:52 That's Rumble by Link Wray
Does anyone have an explanation for the intro how it comes in all hissy? What's the reasoning for it? He sort of brushed over it and didn't say what made the noise. Thanks.
I hear the squeal noise. It might be print thru of the first arrrr ah arrrrrrrrrrr ah. Could be. Also right at the start he hits 2 cymbals, the 2nd being higher pitched but shorter so the first cymbal rings thru for longer
The pff pff pff sound you mean is from friends the song right after immigrant song i think.
lol i DON'T HEAR NO steenkin birds! Got a good setup too 4 listenin. Mackie HR8's in a treated room. What I hear is the delayed verb of Page's guitar panned right that is quarter step behind the main guitar that's panned left, that and some feedbacky like overtones that might get peaky amidst all the busywork. Bass don't come in until "Come to the land of the ice and snow..."
Great Video
4:56 dude what in the hell kind of birds did you see while growing up? 😂
Living in Harmony with ya Best Mate ....makes it .... A Walk in the Park
I heard the screeching birds too, for the first time, through my 22yo computer speakers.
Yes-like dive bombing flesh eating birds at the seashore.
@@bonzoleum Yeah, kinda scary. Lol.
Oh my god that was entertaining as hell, like otters in heat in their time of dying while immigrating.