If nostalgia saves doctor who? Would the massive retcons to literally the origins of the doctor at the end of the series end doctor who? Leaks are not fun :'(
The only impressive thing about this episode is how Chris Chibnall can actually keep a secret and hide a spoiler. Captain Jack’s reveal made me and my father scream out loud, even though we live in japan and it was very very early morning
@@eonoflegend2985 for some reason I saw some news headlines about the first black doctor or something, and somehow didn't connect the dots when I saw Jo Martin so I didn't get spoiled
@@PlatinumAltaria Sums it up pretty well. This episode was really good. Doesn't mean the arc itself is going to be good until we've seen it but this does give us high hopes
I don’t mind Ruth being the Doctor, I just hope to god it’s after Matt Smith’s era - would be interesting to see the second regeneration cycle have its toll on the Doctor’s memory, but if it’s pre-smith then it’s just messing with the chronology of the show unnecessarily
its kinda dumb tho because the only point in which it can make sense is if it happens between Jodie and Capaldi (which would still be stupid). If it's Pre-Classic era its stupid and awful, if its during/after the time war its stupid, pointless and makes no sense considering eccleston's Doctor and if its post Smith than it makes no sense because of Clara. If its a parallel Doctor than it makes no sense because the walls between parallel dimensions have been sealed since the time war and the time-lords have no good reason to get an alternate Doctor who is far less effective. And if its a future incarnation it'll just make things needlessly complicated when said incarnation comes around and make her introductory season the worst jumping on point in new-who. Overall its just a pointless idea and character made for agenda pushing and to boost figures who will either be disappointing and amount to nothing or contradict pretty much all established cannon (including shit established even in the past decade of the revival) and irreversibly fracture the shows legacy and fan-base.
I wouldn’t mind if she was season 6 b though. She’d fit perfectly into that theory - not before the first, but buried in the doctor’s history, and in between an ambiguous regeneration
Kanashimi435 it’s a theory that suggests between the second doctor being taken away and forced to regenerate and the third stumbling out of the TARDIS, the doctor worked for the time lords. It would explain a lot about what we know about Ruth so far, and maybe something happened to two, who needed to regenerate, so they gave the doctor another regeneration because they were working together, explaining the regeneration energy thing. It relies on classic who knowledge, but it’s a cool theory
Savannah Krystall that actually sounds plausible and I’d be pretty okay with that outcome tbh - suppose they can always justify 10’s regeneration as “artron energy” or whatever healing him instead of it being a full regeneration. Plus Pertwee was noticeably more affected by regeneration than any other Doctor, and the time lords are known to wipe memories as they did with Jamie and Zoe in The War Games. Yeah, I’m suddenly swayed in favour of this theory - unless Chibbs can pull an equally satisfying solution out of his hat
The thing that really gets me about the response to this episode is I've seen a lot of comments along the line of "This is the best episode since Capaldi's swansong.", and while I agree with this statement it's kind of worrying that the best the Chibnall era has to offer is a fanbaity episode more interested in setting up the next season rather than telling it's own narrative - it's like the Iron Man 2 of Doctor Who episodes. I mean by this point in the RTD era we had Dalek, Father's Day, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Parting of the Ways, School Reunion, and Girl in the Fireplace. In the Moffat era we'd have had Eleventh Hour, Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, Amy's Choice, Vincent and the Doctor, Pandorica Opens, A Christmas Carol, The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, The Doctor's Wife.
The only ones I really liked out of the Moffat era you listed were Eleventh Hour, Vincent and the Doctor and A Christmas Carol the rest I thought were pretty mediocre.
Sorry for replying so late, but just wanted to point out that you missed "Big Bang", the second part to "The Pandorica Opens". Also, totally agree dude.
Completely agree. These three even dress the same. Boring boring boring. The when the companions are non current day UK, they're usual far more fun and interesting, on average.
I beleive the doctor is dead he died after the 12th doctor as was set up before its been established the doctor dies after the 12th regenerate I don't count it as cannon
@@moistmeathateroffurries8621 Technically, Matt Smith's Doctor was the 12th because of the 'war doctor'. Not sure if you were taking this into account or not...
@@LewysC They already messed with eatstablihed history when they made time lords regeneration into the opposite gender, starting with the master, then the general, now the doctor
Coming out of this episode, I felt that they finally made a decent one, until I thought back on it. The Judoon played barely any part and were shown to be fairly incompetent, weirdly. The rest of the episode had a weirdly paced plot line that was just copying "Smith and Jones" but with a bunch of surprise twists thrown in to fake good writing. Then, the main twist - Ruth being a time lord - felt like a rip off of "Utopia"s reveal of the Master, but somehow written to be boring. The best part of the episode was, of course, Jack, but I feel that was more down to John Barrowman than the writers.
Yeah Jacks dialogue is really clunky compared to what he's been given elsewhere, even early Torchwood season 1 Jack had better stuff to work with, between this and the sudden and recent creation of a Torchwood TH-cam channel, and the audio stuff over the past 5 years keeping it a bit more relevant Im really starting to hope they bring it back for a good 5th Season more in vain of seasons 1 and 2 (although it would have to either adapt or negate like all the audio stuff and somehow fix the stuff miracle day fucked up, AND give a good reason for both miracle day and children of earth just kind of not having any effect on anything).
@@kanashimi4356 when it comes to Torchwood i really need it to come back and fix the stuff miracle day fucked up. I can handle all the other and act like nothing is wrong except miracle day . We didn't even get a proper explanation of what exactly was going on plus they left us knowing that all this was phase 1 and the families kept working on their plan and then nothing that could explain all this.
Damn I was not expecting that rating but hey it's you're video and who am I to judge? I'll be honest I found the whole Ruth being a pre Hartnell doctor thing more concerning than anything and the episode felt a bit too much like a fan fic in places but again I can understand why you liked it.
Tharries shes not pre hartnell. It's pretty clear she isn't because of the Tardis being a police box and the fact we see hartnell steal the Tardis in name of the Doctor. She's probs the doctor of Pete's world
If it's not pre Hartnell it's not making any sense and it's breaking cannon which is typical chibbs and doesn't care about years of doctor who lore, he just did this to go totally off the rails trolling us
Tbf the episode had a good amount of fanservice as well as using twists and elements the show had before. I can understand why people like it even if I myself fear how the retcon will be handled.
@@raid__4966 So they've already ruined the whole plot point of Matt Smith's Doctor being his final regeneration. Good job Chibnall. ...Let's face it, she's going to end up being pre-Hartnell just so Chibnall can go "ha-HA! See? The Doctor was always a woman! And _black!_"
Whilst it’s great that Captain Jack’s back, I think it’s a great shame that the one time he finally returns happens to be under the worst show-runner, worst Doctor and worst companions we’ve ever had…
MrDalekEmperor2 yeah exactly. Adam was literally made by RTD to be the worst companion to show Rose was a good choice. So surely he’s worse than the current crew.
This episode was: -The best Whitaker story we've had so far -The best use of the Judoon since Tennant -The most inspired idea Chibnall has had This episode was not: -Lore-friendly -Original, it stole most of it's points from Martha's era -A good one for Yaz, she did not conduct herself like a Police Officer. I think that while confronting the Judoon, Ryan undercut her bigtime. -Worth an 8.5. In my opinion, it was closer to a 6/10, based on the points I have outlined
This was my take This episode was: -The 4th best Whitaker story we've had so far, behind It Takes You Away, Spyfall and Kerblam! -The best use of the Judoon ever, not that they weren't good in Smith and Jones but this episode made them much more interesting imo -The most contrived idea Chibnall has had, calling it inspired would be a stretch. This episode was not: -Lore-friendly FOR THE TIME BEING, because it's not impossible those issues might be resolved by the finale. -Original (agreed) -Too bad for Yaz when compared to her previous appearances , as her being a cop was at least acknowledged -Worth an 8.5. In my opinion, it was closer to a 7/10.
@@robo3007 I'm glad we could agree on some things. When I said lore-frenziedly, I meant I can't imagine a satisfying way to make it lore friendly. She can't be an early incarnation of the doctor, because Whitaker has no memory of her, and that would ruin the 12 regeneration rule She can't be a successor to Whittier, because she had never hear of a sonic screwdriver, her Tardis looks ancient, and she was okay with holding a gun (something the post-time-war doctor would never do) So the obvious solution is a parallel universe doctor, but that has been confirmed by Chibnall to not be the case, so whatever happens, its going to break some rules. The next episode is going to air in just a few hours, and I am filled with dread and fear at what Chibs is going to do.
the reveal kinda ruined the episode for me, I really don;t like it when shows start messing with their cannon, especially with a show-runner like Chibnall
We still have no idea where this Doctor came from. Could be a different universe, or it could all just be a hoax. So that criticism isn't really valid until they reveal who this Doctor is specifically.
I hadn’t even considered that Jack’s appearance in this could be a set up for a Torchwood reboot. That would actually make a lot of sense when you remember that Sarah Jane’s return in School Reunion was based more on nostalgia than her role in the plot but successfully set up the Sarah Jane Adventures. If they did go ahead with that, they could show Jack and Gwen running into whatever the lone cyberman turns out to be and have the whole series leading up to his appearance on Doctor Who.
Everybody loves this episode, eh? To quote MrTARDISreviews, "Why do I feel that I've watched a completely different episode from what everyone else has watched?"
@@kanashimi4356 and in this they have the potential to do something similar, they just have to not mess it up and it could be very moffat-esque. Which is by far and away better than the other stuff we've got from 13's run.
Genuinely think the only good Cybermen story we've gotten in New Who is 'World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls', but even then towards the end of 'The Doctor Falls' they just became villains to get blown up rather than a genuine threat.
I think my favourite thing about this episode is the beautiful metaphor about Ruth’s birthday. Not only is it her human birthday but she’s also being re born as the doctor and her whole life is changing! and the cyclical structure of the episode is beautiful!
Theory. This doctor and missy are both from a parallel universe. When we first see missy the apparently evil plot turns out to be a gift to the doctor. Any fan of doctor who knows that there’s no way the doctor would want an army of cybermen. But this new doctor in fugitive might. She seems like a darker version of the doctor and may be from a universe where her and the master are friends and the doctor would gladly take this gift. Later in the series when missy tries to trick the doctor into killing Clara this could be the kind of think missy and the other doctor would laugh about and think of as a funny prank. If anyone is unsure of anything about this theory then feel free to reply and I’ll gladly try to fill any gaps in the theory :)
The thing I liked about this episode was just how unpredictable it was. It felt like someone who actually had ideas wrote this episode and it made it interesting and fun. I don't think I liked it as much as you did, but this definitely got me hyped for the future. Also, while this is by far not the best series it is handling the whole story arc thing better than most past series.
I love the Judoon episode it was unpredictable and it was great. I love seeing Captain Jack Harkness and soon as I heard his voice I literally felt goosebumps. I love the fact that there we did not know where Ruth was the doctor from the past or the future because neither of them remembered each other. Ruth also had a presence as the doctor and she used these crazy martial arts that previous incarnation of Doctors has. Check out the 90s film and you will see the doctor going fist to fist in a fistfight. Overall, I enjoyed this episode I give an 8.5. It would have been more if Captain had met Jack
then they ruin it later on with a hammer and ton of exposition to nail the show with that doesn't add up at all. as long as Ruth's Doctor is kept, the rest of it can stay or go. Jack was put in as a nostalgiabait distraction anyhow.
I feel like this episode should be rewatched after the series is over. A lot of praise comes from surprise and hype - I see a lot of praise for the episode is about Jack and the new Doctor, but that's all just setup for later episodes that might not pay off.
That's my main problem with this episode, it reminds of Iron Man 2 in that it's perfectly serviceable as it's own thing, but a lot of the acclaim it receives is a result of fans being excited by what it's setting up for later.
SmashedAvvo I’m not talking about the entire show. But those scenes where it’s just the score and the cinematography like when they first discover the body and the mother is being dragged away screaming. Did you not watch it? Happens many times throughout the series
The concept of the judoon hunting down a prisoner, only for it to be revealed to be a timelord who used the chameleon arch in a twist is an absolutely amazing concept in itself. Whether or not it was executed the best is another conversation, but the way the show rewards you as a fan with knowledge of the shows past lore/stories is the kick it needed to breathe new life into it. Lets just hope it tries its best to stick the landing with whatever conclusion it ends up with
I dont get why people loved this episode so much. Yes it was a good episode but so much fanwanking. Jack was wasted and just placed in to get all the RTD and Torchwood fans screaming. I am seriously worried about the ending for this series, so much is being built up and I am worried that it will all just fall flat. Call me a Whittakee hater all you want but I’m just not feeling all they hype for series 12
I love that jacks back and it's good to hear as someone that thinks Jodie is just horrible and the whole pc pish all though this series, just how it changes.
My mom just LOVED Captain Jack. She used to watch Torchwood, before I even introduced her to Doctor Who! When we first watched series 1, she wasn´t quite shook, when the Daleks first shot Jack and said "That guy´s immortal!" In time she was pretty much caught up with everything including series 11 in German (which I even still have to watch!). The last episode we re-watched together was the Army of Ghosts/ Doomsday two parter before she - very suddenly - just died on Dec. 19th! So,... yeah....
@@prof.evilpictures8696 she was. The best for me, anyway, we used to talk about basically everything and watch the same stuff together. Now there´s just a void where that was, everything I watch, I just do on my own and only share thoughts here on TH-cam if ever....
You guys didn't like the episode ? I really like it and thought all the same things Harry did, so yeah I'm pretty sure he isn't sarcastic, sorry for you. I'm curious though, why didn't you like it ?
@@Hawx32 Its a big setup for something that will Come he brougth back Captian Jack but have Him do nothing the whole Ruth is the Doctor thing makes no sense What so ever and of course not enough of someone screaming BENNI
He put himself in a corner with that ultimatum, so he had to 'like' this episode in order to keep reviewing DW and save face, I don't blame him since I love his reviews and their popular, but I think that's why this review was so positive.
I think you wanted to like this episode too much and talked yourself into liking it more. I thought everything you were saying was going to lead up into a twist ending saying you were joking because all the positives you mentioned seemed like stretches. This episode seemed more like one to get fanbois into the show again and didn't offer anything actually good. But hey, to each their own. I thought The Rise of Skywalker was one of the most entertaining movies I've ever seen in the theater so what do I know?
As much as I hated Jodie's first season, I do like how season 2 has actually made some of the bad-direction into a plot point/character arch. Her first season felt so disconnected - she never spoke about herself or her past, they never encountered anything she was familiar with, etc. While I don't think this makes up for individually bad episodes, I do like that it's being addressed in her second season as an actual failing on the Doctor's part. Her friends are calling her out on how they don't know anything about her. As an aside, I hadn't notice that they hadn't visited future Earth before, and that is one thing I liked about the Orphan episode - how the companions reacted to seeing their future. I liked experiencing that emotion with them apart from rest of the episode. I actually think the emotion in this one small scene was better because of how much longer it took to happen - trumping Rose's second episode for capturing that hitting-home emotion.
Its funny because before this episode the two i randomly watched were Smith and Jones and the Family of Blood, so as the Ruth mystery unveild i was actually guessing it was a fogwatch scenario. SO SO SO happy Harry liked it, only reviewer i watch
@@SomethingBasic A show about time travel. Yes. But the show is seen through the Dr's eyes. We don't time travel back and forth changing his timeline. HIS IS the only linear timeline in the show. This is just a big F-U to the few OG fans that were left. Fuck this leftist bullshit. What utter twats.
Bourbon _Sherbet The War Doctor? That’s a retcon. Gallifrey never being destroyed in the first place is a retcon. Plus, neither Doctor recognizes the other. That alone tells me that there’s more going on here than a simple retcon.
Me watching this ep: "What? What? What!?" (Read like David Tennant) oh by the way, small object holding Time-Lord Fire, Judoon, Master, Captain Jack, someone's a fan of season 3.
@@DiamondFire So? Doing something you don't neccsecarily like for money is like almost every job ever and him being friends with Moffat doesn't mean he has to like his work
A little something @David Bray Said that i think should be seen more: This episode was: -The best Whitaker story we've had so far -The best use of the Judoon since Tennant -The most inspired idea Chibnall has had This episode was not: -Lore-friendly -Original, it stole most of it's points from Martha's era -A good one for Yaz, she did not conduct herself like a Police Officer. I think that while confronting the Judoon, Ryan undercut her bigtime. -Worth an 8.5. In my opinion, it was closer to a 6/10, based on the points I have outlined
I really liked jodie feeling really strange about being the companion and trying to do the whole doctor questioning thing, for ruth to just get really pissy about it all
The Timeless Child is the Doctor themselves, and is their "first life" per se. As a child, they were unkillable and could regenerate endlessly. Found on an unknown planet, they were taken back to Gallifrey, where their abilities allowed Gallifreyans to become Time Lords. The character "Ruth" is (apparently) an earlier life of the Doctor. This is all confirmed by the leaks.
Pretty lame. The Time Lords didn't naturally evolve that way to become unique. They just got hold of some literal magic child's powers. As if that wasn't bad enough, this would make the Doctor even more super duper important in the universe since his birth. Up until now he was just this genius who started out as an underdog and eventually became infamous in the universe after his many adventures. I hope this is false.
I'm really confused by you actually liking this, this whole episode was so consistently awful and jarring I just have no intention of watching the show again until we get a new showrunner. Especially after the Tesla episode being so boring it is now the only episode of doctor who I've left unfinished.
i do hate it when they introduce another regeneration of the Dr that wasn't in any of the past episodes, and the excuse why we've never heard of them before is 'oh i wiped your emory of me' or 'oh i try to forget that incarnation' can we please not mess with the canon? it's just irritating
I honestly wanted you to rip this apart. Im not wat seeing any more new who and i wont be watching any future review you do of season 12 or 13. But i will still watch any other vids you do. Glad you had fun tho.
I was just thinking, if Ruth is a canon Doctor from the 13th Doctor's past, how could David Tennant regenerate? Surely if Ruth came before that would mean that the Doctors regeneration cycle would have ended with Tennant, and not Smith who was given the new regeneration cycle by the time lords...
6:55 the prop sonic has a button on it lol. It's obviously to trigger the light possibly the motor, but they could have hidden it better or made it remote controlled
alex liggins you mean the sonic screwdriver, which, when used, tends to be accompanied by the sound of a button being pressed, has a button on it? What a shock
My only problem with this episode which I honestly thought you'd pick up on: The Ruth doctor tells Jodie's Doctor to get off her ship after the events with the Judoon... Except if they're the same person, this wouldn't happen. They would have tried to figure out what was going on rather than part ways. I get that it's to tease upcoming stories, but the doctor wouldn't just leave a stone unturnt there
main issue with this black doctor is she can't be a previous regeneration unless the current canon is changed since we know all 13 faces of cycle 1 and we know both faces of cycle 2 so this new doctor can only be a future regeneration
The companions are always the most essential part of doctor who, and up until now the ‘fam’ have just been yes men, they don’t question the doctor (intellectually like Clara, or morally like Rose), but finally we get some semblance of character moments, they put their foot down and say no, while still being supportive. Although Graham does just sort of stand there and wait for his lines admittedly.
Jodie was on point this episode, she really felt like the doctor, unlike in previous episodes. Probably down to the writing, but a massive improvement on other 13th doctor episodes. There’s also some conflict with the companions, woohoo, characters with more than 1 dimension!
-It's almost as if the previous lukewarm episodes were written deliberately that way so the impact of this episode would be all the greater. Let's not forget that the Master told the Doctor that everything she thought she knew was a lie and that the Doctor has already been inside some sort of parallel universe in the Spyfall episodes. So I think a story arc or two are being set up. I really hope the writing quality, and the pacing, continues. For me this was a 9.5/10. Thank you for the great review.
@@aaronstickle War Doctor plus how it was built up was literally Human Nature/Family of Blood. Lee was basically Martha, the Judoon and Gat being the Family and Ruth being the Doctor. It's really not hard to see the similarities. But in all fairness, I'm more worried about the retcon we are gonna witness soon.
@@walterwhite5578 Just because initially we didn't knwo, doesn1t mean it's not a rip-off. The whole episode was a lot of smoke and mirrors with some fanservice while in reality barely anything happening.
Me and my mom we’re watching this together, and I just remember the shared moment of “WTF” we had when the doctor dug up Ruth’s tardis and the realization dawned on us. After the last two episodes, our expectations were fairly low for this episode, so it totally blew us away when it presented us with real stakes and real intrigue.
Yep, Lee was a good character and was even living as Doctor Ruth's husband. Too bad she apparently didn't give a damn about him and was totally unaffected by his death, immediately forgotten after his appearance. Just like Captain Jack's appearance. And the Judoon's. Remember the Judoon, the original focus of the story? Yeah, me neither.
Damn now I'm gonna sound like a Debby-downer. I really liked the first half of the episode. The mystery is so brilliantly built up to with everything coming together, and it really paints a great picture of this woman's life. And then Jack shows up and I think "oh that's fun, let's see where this goes". And I loved his scenes, except they just seemed like they could've been in any episode really. Perhaps they should've waited an episode, because now you're thinking about the stuff with Jack. And then they just drop this huge bombshell on top about the Doctor, and it's just another fucking mystery box. Maybe it's me still being sick of Moffat's mystery boxes that go on forever and are never resolved, but I would've just preferred a smaller self-contained episode about the Judoon searching for someone or something who's done something. Idk it came across as messy and confused to me
The best part about it is, with Chris confirming that Ruth is indeed from the past, and not from a parallel timeline or Earth, It opens up two potential paths for Ruth to belong in, She is either from a series of forced regenerations, which would exist between the 2nd doctor and the third, or she's from the set of regenerations. The valleyard and the other belong to. Given that she has a tardis. However, this second option is less likely, unless the theory about Who the Master is pans out. Only Time Lord royalty is supposed to be able to coexist simultaneously with other versions of themselves, and we've already seen the master, the doctor and Rassilon do it, but we haven't seen Omega do it yet. If the master is Omega like the doctor is the other, that would explain so much about both of their timelines and close the Deus Ex plot hole that is the timelord council bestowing new regenerations. If they would have to keep the doctor And the master alive for some reason, like hypothetically both of them being in the founding Trio of time Lords, which is the reason why they didn't Steal Rassilon's regenerations, but sealed him away back in classic era, it might explain them also going to unnatural lengths to keep the master from getting a set of regenerations until they said so. There are several ways They can incorporate Ruth's regeneration Into the timeline without violating what has been set up, but those are the two that I can think of off the top of my head. As I said, the second one requires a resolution to the Masters Timeline as well, so it's the one I'm hoping is true.
I still haven't finished your review, but for me this episode was just a jumbled mess. Lots of great things, lots of bad things, and all stitched together in the worst way possible. I feel like it is both better than and worse than Orphan 55, because at least Orphan 55 was consistent, but on the other hand this episode gave me strong emotions, positive and negative, which felt like we were back in the Moffat era.
The only episode I’ve watched of the new era that didn’t have me falling asleep halfway through... but 8.5... really? I’d give it a 6.5 at the very most
The best thing of the chibnuts era will be when he goes and takes the whole of this regeneration with him. As the Black Dalek would say " Retcon, Retcon,Retcon."
A shock Master return. Captain Jack coming back. Judoon. Chameleon arch. The Doctor dressing like James Bond. Tell you what, series 3 really was a wild ride.
@@TheJaviferrol Yep. Everything he has done in S12 so far has been just redoing bits from S3 and people are eating it up. I might need to start guessing which episodes he's gonna rip-off next.
This episode is what I have been waiting for, and I'm happy we've finally got it. I am legitimately looking forward to the rest of the series. I agree though that Jack seemed a bit useless, and with the Judoon as well I had a feeling about halfway through a fobwatch-type thing was coming, so I wasn't entirely surprised fro that regard.
Defiantly the best from chubnals era but still though it was average at best Though jack coming back was the best thing since the masters reveal in The doctor falls
I had to laugh when I saw the first reviews of this episode. Until now, people have been screaming that it’s not enough like Moffat’s stories. Now, they’re screaming that it’s too much like his work. What is it that people want?
Best episode since late Matt Smith to early Peter Capadli Era. Jadun, Jack and shots of a ship that saves the budget, truly we live in an age of wonder.
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"Nostalgia-bate saves Doctor Who"
PAH!
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When the video was uploaded like half an hour ago but Harry commented 19 hours ago
Looks like we got two new doctors revealed this week
Not as much as race-bate ruins it
If nostalgia saves doctor who? Would the massive retcons to literally the origins of the doctor at the end of the series end doctor who?
Leaks are not fun :'(
Home-Run!
The “you can do better cake” looks like the cake Hagrid made harry
Yeah
Yes
It's the pink and green
It looks like a Metaphor for the viewers
Is that the cake hagrid sat on while flying on the motorbike to the lighthouse xD
The only impressive thing about this episode is how Chris Chibnall can actually keep a secret and hide a spoiler. Captain Jack’s reveal made me and my father scream out loud, even though we live in japan and it was very very early morning
How'd you watch it in Japan? I'm in Hong Kong , so I just use iPlayer. Do you have BBC on TV there?
It must be nice to not be spoiled. I have the misfortune of being from england and seeing these spoilers everywhere.
Eon of Legend, bad luck man, I’m from Scotland, and I never managed to catch any!
Yeah, it might just be my bad luck with spoilers. The amount of major plot points that I've been spoiled on is ridiculous.
@@eonoflegend2985 for some reason I saw some news headlines about the first black doctor or something, and somehow didn't connect the dots when I saw Jo Martin so I didn't get spoiled
Best thing since Blink? No. Best thing of the Chibnall era? Oh most definitely
Not a very high bar. Can't really give praise until I know he's not going to ruin it. Which he probably will.
@@PlatinumAltaria Sums it up pretty well. This episode was really good. Doesn't mean the arc itself is going to be good until we've seen it but this does give us high hopes
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I still think resolution is the best
@@jplegend98 'Resolution Of The Daleks.' The name shall always remain: 'Resolution Of The Daleks.' :)
I don’t mind Ruth being the Doctor, I just hope to god it’s after Matt Smith’s era - would be interesting to see the second regeneration cycle have its toll on the Doctor’s memory, but if it’s pre-smith then it’s just messing with the chronology of the show unnecessarily
its kinda dumb tho because the only point in which it can make sense is if it happens between Jodie and Capaldi (which would still be stupid). If it's Pre-Classic era its stupid and awful, if its during/after the time war its stupid, pointless and makes no sense considering eccleston's Doctor and if its post Smith than it makes no sense because of Clara. If its a parallel Doctor than it makes no sense because the walls between parallel dimensions have been sealed since the time war and the time-lords have no good reason to get an alternate Doctor who is far less effective. And if its a future incarnation it'll just make things needlessly complicated when said incarnation comes around and make her introductory season the worst jumping on point in new-who.
Overall its just a pointless idea and character made for agenda pushing and to boost figures who will either be disappointing and amount to nothing or contradict pretty much all established cannon (including shit established even in the past decade of the revival) and irreversibly fracture the shows legacy and fan-base.
I wouldn’t mind if she was season 6 b though. She’d fit perfectly into that theory - not before the first, but buried in the doctor’s history, and in between an ambiguous regeneration
@@savannahkrystall2698 What theory are you referring to?
Kanashimi435 it’s a theory that suggests between the second doctor being taken away and forced to regenerate and the third stumbling out of the TARDIS, the doctor worked for the time lords. It would explain a lot about what we know about Ruth so far, and maybe something happened to two, who needed to regenerate, so they gave the doctor another regeneration because they were working together, explaining the regeneration energy thing. It relies on classic who knowledge, but it’s a cool theory
Savannah Krystall that actually sounds plausible and I’d be pretty okay with that outcome tbh - suppose they can always justify 10’s regeneration as “artron energy” or whatever healing him instead of it being a full regeneration. Plus Pertwee was noticeably more affected by regeneration than any other Doctor, and the time lords are known to wipe memories as they did with Jamie and Zoe in The War Games. Yeah, I’m suddenly swayed in favour of this theory - unless Chibbs can pull an equally satisfying solution out of his hat
I guess Chris Chibnall knew the ultimatum Harry gave to us.
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Feels like the reason he rated it so highly to be honest, this is trash.
Alex Saunders what is trash? You make no sense.
The thing that really gets me about the response to this episode is I've seen a lot of comments along the line of "This is the best episode since Capaldi's swansong.", and while I agree with this statement it's kind of worrying that the best the Chibnall era has to offer is a fanbaity episode more interested in setting up the next season rather than telling it's own narrative - it's like the Iron Man 2 of Doctor Who episodes.
I mean by this point in the RTD era we had Dalek, Father's Day, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Parting of the Ways, School Reunion, and Girl in the Fireplace.
In the Moffat era we'd have had Eleventh Hour, Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, Amy's Choice, Vincent and the Doctor, Pandorica Opens, A Christmas Carol, The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, The Doctor's Wife.
The only ones I really liked out of the Moffat era you listed were Eleventh Hour, Vincent and the Doctor and A Christmas Carol the rest I thought were pretty mediocre.
Well I only liked about half of those Moffat era episodes but still agree overall.
Sorry for replying so late, but just wanted to point out that you missed "Big Bang", the second part to "The Pandorica Opens". Also, totally agree dude.
Captain Jack reminded me how utterly awfully boring the current companions are, especially Yaz and Ryan. But great episode
Yes, Graham is great but the other 2 are useless
Graham is god tier but Yaz and Ryan….. yikes
Completely agree. These three even dress the same. Boring boring boring.
The when the companions are non current day UK, they're usual far more fun and interesting, on average.
Graham- the best one
Ryan- the thing pointer-outer
Yas- hey did you know I’m a police officer?
I like Yaz but im hoping Ryan gets killed off cause that would firstly get rid of the most useless companion and give us a story for Yaz and Graham
"You missed me right?" Yes, yes I did.
I just missed all the characters that weren’t created by Chris Chibnall
No l didn't. If Jack's back to save the franchise don't bother. To me he's boring.
Best Jodie era episode by a LANDSLIDE.
I'm a big fan of your profile picture
best of the jodie era really is saying much compared to all the previous yes it is the best but again that isn't saying much
Out of interest how old are you?
@@trevorrandom 57...why?
That doesn’t mean much tbh
The Timeless Child: Im about to end this shows whole career
"I fear no retcon but Ruth.... she scares me"
Messing with established history is not a good idea. I really hope they don't flat out change everything we know about the classic series
I beleive the doctor is dead he died after the 12th doctor as was set up before its been established the doctor dies after the 12th regenerate I don't count it as cannon
@@moistmeathateroffurries8621 Technically, Matt Smith's Doctor was the 12th because of the 'war doctor'. Not sure if you were taking this into account or not...
@@LewysC They already messed with eatstablihed history when they made time lords regeneration into the opposite gender, starting with the master, then the general, now the doctor
MightyElemental War doctor counting as a legit regeneration is debatable.
Coming out of this episode, I felt that they finally made a decent one, until I thought back on it.
The Judoon played barely any part and were shown to be fairly incompetent, weirdly. The rest of the episode had a weirdly paced plot line that was just copying "Smith and Jones" but with a bunch of surprise twists thrown in to fake good writing. Then, the main twist - Ruth being a time lord - felt like a rip off of "Utopia"s reveal of the Master, but somehow written to be boring.
The best part of the episode was, of course, Jack, but I feel that was more down to John Barrowman than the writers.
Yeah Jacks dialogue is really clunky compared to what he's been given elsewhere, even early Torchwood season 1 Jack had better stuff to work with, between this and the sudden and recent creation of a Torchwood TH-cam channel, and the audio stuff over the past 5 years keeping it a bit more relevant Im really starting to hope they bring it back for a good 5th Season more in vain of seasons 1 and 2 (although it would have to either adapt or negate like all the audio stuff and somehow fix the stuff miracle day fucked up, AND give a good reason for both miracle day and children of earth just kind of not having any effect on anything).
100%
@@kanashimi4356 when it comes to Torchwood i really need it to come back and fix the stuff miracle day fucked up. I can handle all the other and act like nothing is wrong except miracle day . We didn't even get a proper explanation of what exactly was going on plus they left us knowing that all this was phase 1 and the families kept working on their plan and then nothing that could explain all this.
Damn I was not expecting that rating but hey it's you're video and who am I to judge? I'll be honest I found the whole Ruth being a pre Hartnell doctor thing more concerning than anything and the episode felt a bit too much like a fan fic in places but again I can understand why you liked it.
Tharries shes not pre hartnell. It's pretty clear she isn't because of the Tardis being a police box and the fact we see hartnell steal the Tardis in name of the Doctor. She's probs the doctor of Pete's world
@@YoMollyF according to chibnall she is not
@@YoMollyF That could be altered by them revealing that it's a false memory or something also Chibnall confirmed she's not from a parralel universe.
If it's not pre Hartnell it's not making any sense and it's breaking cannon which is typical chibbs and doesn't care about years of doctor who lore, he just did this to go totally off the rails trolling us
Tbf the episode had a good amount of fanservice as well as using twists and elements the show had before. I can understand why people like it even if I myself fear how the retcon will be handled.
i just hope the ruth doctor is not before hartnell.
It’s been confirmed by Chibnall that Ruth isn’t from a parallel universe so that could be a very likely possibility 😒
@@raid__4966 So they've already ruined the whole plot point of Matt Smith's Doctor being his final regeneration.
Good job Chibnall.
...Let's face it, she's going to end up being pre-Hartnell just so Chibnall can go "ha-HA! See? The Doctor was always a woman! And _black!_"
@@raid__4966 what about the season 6B fan theory of classic doctor who. Do you think thats a possibility?
She's got a police box tardis though, so I doubt it
@@Jack-0-lantern i would like that thing, but anything before hartnell ... that just feels so wrong.
Whilst it’s great that Captain Jack’s back, I think it’s a great shame that the one time he finally returns happens to be under the worst show-runner, worst Doctor and worst companions we’ve ever had…
Having those three wooden planks in the room with him really highlighted their complete lack of personality
@@hagridmary The worst companions? Bland, for sure, but worst? Do you remember Adric**?
MrDalekEmperor2 yeah exactly. Adam was literally made by RTD to be the worst companion to show Rose was a good choice. So surely he’s worse than the current crew.
@MrDalekEmperor2 Aww sorry, auto correct. Yes, I meant Adric, haha.
He was also just a b plot exposition device
1:18 so he's like Martha in the 'Family of Blood' 2 parter?
Yes
Except the sonic couldn't identify his species either, so was also under some sort of disguise
@@antonydandrea He was a human companion of the Doctor, not a timelord, it correctly identified him as human :)
@@chraketcm8608 no he was galifreyan too, the thing in the box was some kind of off world service medal, probably the time lord military.
@@chraketcm8608 I must rewatch, I could have sworn it couldn't identify, I'll take your word for it though
This episode was:
-The best Whitaker story we've had so far
-The best use of the Judoon since Tennant
-The most inspired idea Chibnall has had
This episode was not:
-Lore-friendly
-Original, it stole most of it's points from Martha's era
-A good one for Yaz, she did not conduct herself like a Police Officer. I think that while confronting the Judoon, Ryan undercut her bigtime.
-Worth an 8.5. In my opinion, it was closer to a 6/10, based on the points I have outlined
What episode since her appearance HAS been good for Yaz?
The best use of Judoon since 10 that’s cause it hasn’t been in it since then
@@Jackgames-vg7cw I'm pretty sure they were in The Pandorica Opens, but your right, they haven't had their own episode since 10.
This was my take
This episode was:
-The 4th best Whitaker story we've had so far, behind It Takes You Away, Spyfall and Kerblam!
-The best use of the Judoon ever, not that they weren't good in Smith and Jones but this episode made them much more interesting imo
-The most contrived idea Chibnall has had, calling it inspired would be a stretch.
This episode was not:
-Lore-friendly FOR THE TIME BEING, because it's not impossible those issues might be resolved by the finale.
-Original (agreed)
-Too bad for Yaz when compared to her previous appearances , as her being a cop was at least acknowledged
-Worth an 8.5. In my opinion, it was closer to a 7/10.
@@robo3007 I'm glad we could agree on some things. When I said lore-frenziedly, I meant I can't imagine a satisfying way to make it lore friendly.
She can't be an early incarnation of the doctor, because Whitaker has no memory of her, and that would ruin the 12 regeneration rule
She can't be a successor to Whittier, because she had never hear of a sonic screwdriver, her Tardis looks ancient, and she was okay with holding a gun (something the post-time-war doctor would never do)
So the obvious solution is a parallel universe doctor, but that has been confirmed by Chibnall to not be the case, so whatever happens, its going to break some rules.
The next episode is going to air in just a few hours, and I am filled with dread and fear at what Chibs is going to do.
the reveal kinda ruined the episode for me, I really don;t like it when shows start messing with their cannon, especially with a show-runner like Chibnall
Because show runners before never did that, oh wait... But for real i get you, chibnall is shit
‘cannon’
agreed...
I mean if you call a massive retcon to all established canon as a minor nitpick idk what you're smoking lol
We still have no idea where this Doctor came from. Could be a different universe, or it could all just be a hoax. So that criticism isn't really valid until they reveal who this Doctor is specifically.
@Wilo Polis Welp. 😂😂😂
@Joe Public Who came up with the title "Chibs the idiot"
@Joe Public Ohhh BowelStreak... Yeah, I'm good
@Joe Public You should join harry's discord. (Link in the desc)
So Chibnall really thought that he could distract us with a big reveal from an otherwise bad episode?
Well it worked
Fanservice and twists after twists does that.
zitagirl1 that all he does Chibnall just uses shock value to deceive ppl that his writing/story are good and exciting
@@DonHbankz Yep. I'm quite aware but you see it works on people. :/
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you going to call a show a bad episode at least list the reason why?
the subplot was not that distracting
I genuinely thought you were being sarcastic with this review
I know right! I feel like something isn't quite right. I really didn't like the episode and it almost feels like one giant sarcastic review
The punchline never came.
I thought he was being sarcastic too.
But he was serious.
Sad.
Hows its sad? The episode was the best we've had for a VERY long time
@Joe Public exactly ! haha
Harry: gives it a score past 6
Us: YEYEYEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAYEEEEEEEAA
6 is pretty low :v
@@WindchaserX more than half though
@@WindchaserX for harry even a 4 could be an episode regarded as a GOAT ep or a meh ep. His ratings are all over the place
@@WindchaserX If a score of 5 is "average", then 6 out of 10 isn't exactly low.
I think that anything past 5 means you enjoyed it to some degree.
I hadn’t even considered that Jack’s appearance in this could be a set up for a Torchwood reboot. That would actually make a lot of sense when you remember that Sarah Jane’s return in School Reunion was based more on nostalgia than her role in the plot but successfully set up the Sarah Jane Adventures.
If they did go ahead with that, they could show Jack and Gwen running into whatever the lone cyberman turns out to be and have the whole series leading up to his appearance on Doctor Who.
Mother Judoon was in a mood... because she gave Benni 2.0 a c o m p e n s a t i o n item
The best thing since Blink? There's like 15 episodes better that Fugitive of the Judoon.
He said *if*
@@big_slurp4603 In your opinion.
@@big_slurp4603 SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING!!!!!!!!!!
Jk. I enjoyed blink but it's definitely overrated
@@big_slurp4603 Again, in your opinion. You're making the mistake of assuming that your reaction must be everybody's. It holds up to me.
Everybody loves this episode, eh?
To quote MrTARDISreviews, "Why do I feel that I've watched a completely different episode from what everyone else has watched?"
The episode felt more like fan service in a desperate attempt to keep people interested
I didn't like it. I agree with that quote.
@@cleaveredford-lane273 believe me.
harry gave heaven sent such a low rating that I genuinely believe when he liked a episode a lot.
Chris Chibnall: *makes amazing episode*
Me: wow didn’t know it did that
Jamie Smithers omg lol XD
To be fair the first two episodes of the season were good too.
Robin Powell, the spyfall two-parter?
@@robo3007 don't forget The Woman Who Fell to Earth and Kerblam (Also the hungry earth 2 two parter for bringing back the silurians)
I live in Gloucester and I can confirm the tours would not be very interesting lol
Fellow gloucesterite. As boring as modern Gloucester may be, we have some ok history.
I saw them filming after school outside the cathedral
Also live in Gloucester. Can confirm that haha.
Glad that you liked this one. Another thing I noticed was that the top of the lighthouse looks similar to the light on top of the Tardis.
Hang on, a positive review of season 12. Am I hallucinating?
My thoughts were "It's all gone a bit moffat."
Moffat at least wrote phenomenal to above average episodes.
@@kanashimi4356 Good episodes but messy overarching plot lines.
@@kanashimi4356 and in this they have the potential to do something similar, they just have to not mess it up and it could be very moffat-esque. Which is by far and away better than the other stuff we've got from 13's run.
@@kanashimi4356 Not always. Moffat did write some real stinkers.
@@dmaxwell910901 nothing as bad as what Chibs has been bringing since he became showrunner.
Really hoping Chibnell gets the cybermen right
I’d KILL for a really good cybermen story
Genuinely think the only good Cybermen story we've gotten in New Who is 'World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls', but even then towards the end of 'The Doctor Falls' they just became villains to get blown up rather than a genuine threat.
I think he did until they got overshadowed by the master again in the second part
I think my favourite thing about this episode is the beautiful metaphor about Ruth’s birthday. Not only is it her human birthday but she’s also being re born as the doctor and her whole life is changing! and the cyclical structure of the episode is beautiful!
after finishing the episode i remember having told myself that it was a good episode but is it good enough to get atleast 6/10" thank god it was
Theory. This doctor and missy are both from a parallel universe. When we first see missy the apparently evil plot turns out to be a gift to the doctor. Any fan of doctor who knows that there’s no way the doctor would want an army of cybermen. But this new doctor in fugitive might. She seems like a darker version of the doctor and may be from a universe where her and the master are friends and the doctor would gladly take this gift. Later in the series when missy tries to trick the doctor into killing Clara this could be the kind of think missy and the other doctor would laugh about and think of as a funny prank. If anyone is unsure of anything about this theory then feel free to reply and I’ll gladly try to fill any gaps in the theory :)
I personally don’t like this episode or what it does much at all, but I respect the joy it brings Harry and Others.
I am Others and this episode brought me joy.
The thing I liked about this episode was just how unpredictable it was. It felt like someone who actually had ideas wrote this episode and it made it interesting and fun. I don't think I liked it as much as you did, but this definitely got me hyped for the future.
Also, while this is by far not the best series it is handling the whole story arc thing better than most past series.
Yeah, at this point I'm happy when an episode comes in hot with interesting ideas and isn't boring.
I love the Judoon episode it was unpredictable and it was great. I love seeing Captain Jack Harkness and soon as I heard his voice I literally felt goosebumps. I love the fact that there we did not know where Ruth was the doctor from the past or the future because neither of them remembered each other. Ruth also had a presence as the doctor and she used these crazy martial arts that previous incarnation of Doctors has. Check out the 90s film and you will see the doctor going fist to fist in a fistfight. Overall, I enjoyed this episode I give an 8.5. It would have been more if Captain had met Jack
then they ruin it later on with a hammer and ton of exposition to nail the show with that doesn't add up at all. as long as Ruth's Doctor is kept, the rest of it can stay or go.
Jack was put in as a nostalgiabait distraction anyhow.
The doctor regenerates into benij
Jack Williams who’s benji
@@brandynjohnson8313 as in"where's my binij"
Jack Williams it’s benny or benni
@@brandynjohnson8313 It's Benni
BENNI?
It feels so good to see Harry actually enjoy an episode again!
That it does my friend :-)
I feel like this episode should be rewatched after the series is over. A lot of praise comes from surprise and hype - I see a lot of praise for the episode is about Jack and the new Doctor, but that's all just setup for later episodes that might not pay off.
That's my main problem with this episode, it reminds of Iron Man 2 in that it's perfectly serviceable as it's own thing, but a lot of the acclaim it receives is a result of fans being excited by what it's setting up for later.
Just feel more like Broadchurch. Event television that lets the score and visuals do the work
um broadchurch definitely doesn't 'let the score and visuals do the work' wtf
SmashedAvvo I’m not talking about the entire show. But those scenes where it’s just the score and the cinematography like when they first discover the body and the mother is being dragged away screaming. Did you not watch it? Happens many times throughout the series
@@jackablamo but the main problem with series 11/12 is that they dont let visuals do enough work. too much talking.
SmashedAvvo exactly that’s why I said “just feel more like broadchurch’ as in it should strive to be more like thsi
Broad church is good which is why I can respect Chibnall. But I do agree with the consensus that he’s not a good writer/show runner for Doctor Who.
The concept of the judoon hunting down a prisoner, only for it to be revealed to be a timelord who used the chameleon arch in a twist is an absolutely amazing concept in itself. Whether or not it was executed the best is another conversation, but the way the show rewards you as a fan with knowledge of the shows past lore/stories is the kick it needed to breathe new life into it. Lets just hope it tries its best to stick the landing with whatever conclusion it ends up with
I dont get why people loved this episode so much. Yes it was a good episode but so much fanwanking. Jack was wasted and just placed in to get all the RTD and Torchwood fans screaming. I am seriously worried about the ending for this series, so much is being built up and I am worried that it will all just fall flat. Call me a Whittakee hater all you want but I’m just not feeling all they hype for series 12
I love that jacks back and it's good to hear as someone that thinks Jodie is just horrible and the whole pc pish all though this series, just how it changes.
My mom just LOVED Captain Jack. She used to watch Torchwood, before I even introduced her to Doctor Who! When we first watched series 1, she wasn´t quite shook, when the Daleks first shot Jack and said "That guy´s immortal!"
In time she was pretty much caught up with everything including series 11 in German (which I even still have to watch!). The last episode we re-watched together was the Army of Ghosts/ Doomsday two parter before she - very suddenly - just died on Dec. 19th!
So,... yeah....
ChanCeNecK I’m very sorry for your loss. She sounds like a great mom. 😢
@@prof.evilpictures8696 she was. The best for me, anyway, we used to talk about basically everything and watch the same stuff together. Now there´s just a void where that was, everything I watch, I just do on my own and only share thoughts here on TH-cam if ever....
This has to be a joke or hyperbole. I swear you're trolling.
normie twice removed i swear he was being sarcastic this whole episode
normie twice removed maybe this is it. this is the episode that finally broke Harry. RIP Harry 29/01/2020
You guys didn't like the episode ? I really like it and thought all the same things Harry did, so yeah I'm pretty sure he isn't sarcastic, sorry for you. I'm curious though, why didn't you like it ?
@@Hawx32 Its a big setup for something that will Come he brougth back Captian Jack but have Him do nothing the whole Ruth is the Doctor thing makes no sense What so ever and of course not enough of someone screaming BENNI
He put himself in a corner with that ultimatum, so he had to 'like' this episode in order to keep reviewing DW and save face, I don't blame him since I love his reviews and their popular, but I think that's why this review was so positive.
I think you wanted to like this episode too much and talked yourself into liking it more. I thought everything you were saying was going to lead up into a twist ending saying you were joking because all the positives you mentioned seemed like stretches. This episode seemed more like one to get fanbois into the show again and didn't offer anything actually good.
But hey, to each their own. I thought The Rise of Skywalker was one of the most entertaining movies I've ever seen in the theater so what do I know?
Poor guy, he's been watching a terrible show for so long that he thinks one that isn't God awful is actually good.
Yep
Lol another fan of the wolves 🧡
@@cmatt06 Wolves Ay We 🖤💛🐺
Given he made an entire satire video for both heaven sent and hell bent I'm very suspicious that his is the same
Accepting your opinions as facts and using that to discard other people's opinions so you can feel better about yourself. Nice
As much as I hated Jodie's first season, I do like how season 2 has actually made some of the bad-direction into a plot point/character arch. Her first season felt so disconnected - she never spoke about herself or her past, they never encountered anything she was familiar with, etc. While I don't think this makes up for individually bad episodes, I do like that it's being addressed in her second season as an actual failing on the Doctor's part. Her friends are calling her out on how they don't know anything about her.
As an aside, I hadn't notice that they hadn't visited future Earth before, and that is one thing I liked about the Orphan episode - how the companions reacted to seeing their future. I liked experiencing that emotion with them apart from rest of the episode. I actually think the emotion in this one small scene was better because of how much longer it took to happen - trumping Rose's second episode for capturing that hitting-home emotion.
Its funny because before this episode the two i randomly watched were Smith and Jones and the Family of Blood, so as the Ruth mystery unveild i was actually guessing it was a fogwatch scenario.
SO SO SO happy Harry liked it, only reviewer i watch
I guessed almost immediately at well but I thought it was the husband, I didnt guess it was Ruth until she fought the Judoon.
How do you consider a possible full retcon a GOOD thing?!?
Its a show about time travel????? Retcons are sorta the plot most of the time
@@SomethingBasic A show about time travel. Yes. But the show is seen through the Dr's eyes. We don't time travel back and forth changing his timeline. HIS IS the only linear timeline in the show. This is just a big F-U to the few OG fans that were left. Fuck this leftist bullshit. What utter twats.
@@bourbon_sherbet1251 gallifrey falls??? Trenzalore??? Cracks in time???
@@SomethingBasic Those are not recons.
Bourbon _Sherbet The War Doctor? That’s a retcon. Gallifrey never being destroyed in the first place is a retcon.
Plus, neither Doctor recognizes the other. That alone tells me that there’s more going on here than a simple retcon.
This episode was just bad. Not awful. Just bad. And I guess that makes it good in comparison? But it's still bad.
Coblin
Love and Monsters would be preferable to Orphan 55.
I liked love and monsters tbf
It's interesting you mentioned the whole Ruth identity crisis thing as a laberynth because I got some real WestWorld season 1 vibes from it
Me watching this ep: "What? What? What!?" (Read like David Tennant) oh by the way, small object holding Time-Lord Fire, Judoon, Master, Captain Jack, someone's a fan of season 3.
I heard Chibnal hated Moffat era but rly liked the RTD era
Irony is Moffat made better content then Chibnal.
@@SirDankleberry True
@@sevensevenseven9351 and yet chibnall wrote episodes in the moffat era & they are friends
@@DiamondFire So? Doing something you don't neccsecarily like for money is like almost every job ever and him being friends with Moffat doesn't mean he has to like his work
A little something @David Bray Said that i think should be seen more:
This episode was:
-The best Whitaker story we've had so far
-The best use of the Judoon since Tennant
-The most inspired idea Chibnall has had
This episode was not:
-Lore-friendly
-Original, it stole most of it's points from Martha's era
-A good one for Yaz, she did not conduct herself like a Police Officer. I think that while confronting the Judoon, Ryan undercut her bigtime.
-Worth an 8.5. In my opinion, it was closer to a 6/10, based on the points I have outlined
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the rest of the season...
I'm hoping that the rest of 12 is at least this decent.
My theory about Ruth: She's a future incarnation who does something so terrible that she wipes her own memory of her
What a waste of a Cpt Jack return!
he may not return again this series
It May Be Hinting At A Full Return Of Him In A Full Episode With Him And The Doctor For The Finale Or Something Like That
@@cobra3094 I really wanted him to return for 11 or 12, as those Dcotor's personalities and Jack's personality really would have been funny
@@cobra3094 www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jo-martin-first-black-doctor-21373790
Max Gotta get them diversity quotas.
I really liked jodie feeling really strange about being the companion and trying to do the whole doctor questioning thing, for ruth to just get really pissy about it all
I can’t anymore.
The Timeless Child is the Doctor themselves, and is their "first life" per se. As a child, they were unkillable and could regenerate endlessly. Found on an unknown planet, they were taken back to Gallifrey, where their abilities allowed Gallifreyans to become Time Lords. The character "Ruth" is (apparently) an earlier life of the Doctor. This is all confirmed by the leaks.
That's s neat idea that doesn't fuck up the lore, not a fan of the revelation that the doctor is this thing of the season again
Pretty lame. The Time Lords didn't naturally evolve that way to become unique. They just got hold of some literal magic child's powers. As if that wasn't bad enough, this would make the Doctor even more super duper important in the universe since his birth. Up until now he was just this genius who started out as an underdog and eventually became infamous in the universe after his many adventures. I hope this is false.
I'm really confused by you actually liking this, this whole episode was so consistently awful and jarring I just have no intention of watching the show again until we get a new showrunner.
Especially after the Tesla episode being so boring it is now the only episode of doctor who I've left unfinished.
We’ve been ground down so much our standards have lowered.
@@xenon8117 exactly what I think, not just for Doctor Who but for the entire cultural domain
i do hate it when they introduce another regeneration of the Dr that wasn't in any of the past episodes, and the excuse why we've never heard of them before is 'oh i wiped your emory of me' or 'oh i try to forget that incarnation' can we please not mess with the canon? it's just irritating
I honestly wanted you to rip this apart. Im not wat seeing any more new who and i wont be watching any future review you do of season 12 or 13. But i will still watch any other vids you do. Glad you had fun tho.
Just because you disagreed with him once, you decide to boycott his reviews? Wow, you must have really, really, REALLY hated the episode.
@@Arthus850 only his doctor who ones. Also im not watching new who anymore so why would iwatch a review of it
I was just thinking, if Ruth is a canon Doctor from the 13th Doctor's past, how could David Tennant regenerate? Surely if Ruth came before that would mean that the Doctors regeneration cycle would have ended with Tennant, and not Smith who was given the new regeneration cycle by the time lords...
6:55 the prop sonic has a button on it lol. It's obviously to trigger the light possibly the motor, but they could have hidden it better or made it remote controlled
alex liggins you mean the sonic screwdriver, which, when used, tends to be accompanied by the sound of a button being pressed, has a button on it? What a shock
I think all the Sonic Screwdrivers have buttons on them so that The Doctor and Co can activate it.
You sounded genuinely happy in this review, which was great and really satisfying honestly
My only problem with this episode which I honestly thought you'd pick up on:
The Ruth doctor tells Jodie's Doctor to get off her ship after the events with the Judoon... Except if they're the same person, this wouldn't happen. They would have tried to figure out what was going on rather than part ways. I get that it's to tease upcoming stories, but the doctor wouldn't just leave a stone unturnt there
That just shows how different Ruth's doctor is. She carried a gun earlier.
main issue with this black doctor is she can't be a previous regeneration unless the current canon is changed since we know all 13 faces of cycle 1 and we know both faces of cycle 2 so this new doctor can only be a future regeneration
Why are the writers so obsessed with the Russel T Davies era. I mean I’m not complaining just curious
The companions are always the most essential part of doctor who, and up until now the ‘fam’ have just been yes men, they don’t question the doctor (intellectually like Clara, or morally like Rose), but finally we get some semblance of character moments, they put their foot down and say no, while still being supportive. Although Graham does just sort of stand there and wait for his lines admittedly.
Jodie was on point this episode, she really felt like the doctor, unlike in previous episodes. Probably down to the writing, but a massive improvement on other 13th doctor episodes. There’s also some conflict with the companions, woohoo, characters with more than 1 dimension!
-It's almost as if the previous lukewarm episodes were written deliberately that way so the impact of this episode would be all the greater. Let's not forget that the Master told the Doctor that everything she thought she knew was a lie and that the Doctor has already been inside some sort of parallel universe in the Spyfall episodes. So I think a story arc or two are being set up. I really hope the writing quality, and the pacing, continues. For me this was a 9.5/10. Thank you for the great review.
9/10 even more diverse doctor. I see Jack got over murdering his grandson ok, excellent character.
@ Torchwood. That series they did about kids being used by alien junkies.
Let's not forget how cute the Judoon commander's gasps were
What’s that? Bring back an old alien, and old companion and an old episode plot device and now people kind of like it? Just as I thought... unoriginal
How is the reveal of Ruth as the Doctor unoriginal?
@@aaronstickle War Doctor plus how it was built up was literally Human Nature/Family of Blood. Lee was basically Martha, the Judoon and Gat being the Family and Ruth being the Doctor. It's really not hard to see the similarities.
But in all fairness, I'm more worried about the retcon we are gonna witness soon.
Aaron Stickle that’s not the unoriginal bit... that’s the retcon
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It is easy to say that in hindsight but let us be honest no one had any idea that Ruth was the doctor. Everyone is a critic.
@@walterwhite5578 Just because initially we didn't knwo, doesn1t mean it's not a rip-off. The whole episode was a lot of smoke and mirrors with some fanservice while in reality barely anything happening.
Me and my mom we’re watching this together, and I just remember the shared moment of “WTF” we had when the doctor dug up Ruth’s tardis and the realization dawned on us. After the last two episodes, our expectations were fairly low for this episode, so it totally blew us away when it presented us with real stakes and real intrigue.
I seriously thought that Ruth was Ryan's mum
Lmao
it's because of how similar Jo Martin and Sharon D. Clarke look.
Yep, Lee was a good character and was even living as Doctor Ruth's husband. Too bad she apparently didn't give a damn about him and was totally unaffected by his death, immediately forgotten after his appearance. Just like Captain Jack's appearance. And the Judoon's. Remember the Judoon, the original focus of the story? Yeah, me neither.
This episode actually makes me exited for more Doctor Who and I love it.
Damn now I'm gonna sound like a Debby-downer. I really liked the first half of the episode. The mystery is so brilliantly built up to with everything coming together, and it really paints a great picture of this woman's life. And then Jack shows up and I think "oh that's fun, let's see where this goes". And I loved his scenes, except they just seemed like they could've been in any episode really. Perhaps they should've waited an episode, because now you're thinking about the stuff with Jack. And then they just drop this huge bombshell on top about the Doctor, and it's just another fucking mystery box. Maybe it's me still being sick of Moffat's mystery boxes that go on forever and are never resolved, but I would've just preferred a smaller self-contained episode about the Judoon searching for someone or something who's done something. Idk it came across as messy and confused to me
So glad he’s gonna keep reviewing series 12
The best part about it is, with Chris confirming that Ruth is indeed from the past, and not from a parallel timeline or Earth, It opens up two potential paths for Ruth to belong in, She is either from a series of forced regenerations, which would exist between the 2nd doctor and the third, or she's from the set of regenerations. The valleyard and the other belong to. Given that she has a tardis. However, this second option is less likely, unless the theory about Who the Master is pans out. Only Time Lord royalty is supposed to be able to coexist simultaneously with other versions of themselves, and we've already seen the master, the doctor and Rassilon do it, but we haven't seen Omega do it yet. If the master is Omega like the doctor is the other, that would explain so much about both of their timelines and close the Deus Ex plot hole that is the timelord council bestowing new regenerations. If they would have to keep the doctor And the master alive for some reason, like hypothetically both of them being in the founding Trio of time Lords, which is the reason why they didn't Steal Rassilon's regenerations, but sealed him away back in classic era, it might explain them also going to unnatural lengths to keep the master from getting a set of regenerations until they said so. There are several ways They can incorporate Ruth's regeneration Into the timeline without violating what has been set up, but those are the two that I can think of off the top of my head. As I said, the second one requires a resolution to the Masters Timeline as well, so it's the one I'm hoping is true.
When I watched it, my first thought was, FINALLY A GOOD EPISODE
Hmmm could she actually be the Valeyard. I don't know something about her seems like it would fit and goes well with her being a past regen perhaps
I still haven't finished your review, but for me this episode was just a jumbled mess. Lots of great things, lots of bad things, and all stitched together in the worst way possible. I feel like it is both better than and worse than Orphan 55, because at least Orphan 55 was consistent, but on the other hand this episode gave me strong emotions, positive and negative, which felt like we were back in the Moffat era.
At least Moffat era doesn't make a blob creature from Love & Monsters.
You have no idea just how excited I was to watch this review after seeing the episode.
The only episode I’ve watched of the new era that didn’t have me falling asleep halfway through... but 8.5... really? I’d give it a 6.5 at the very most
The best thing of the chibnuts era will be when he goes and takes the whole of this regeneration with him. As the Black Dalek would say
" Retcon, Retcon,Retcon."
I didn't like it really, seems like they try and cover the boring stories with big reveals of old characters or crazy twists
I never watched pre reboot doctor who, but judging by Ruth's doctor TARDIS design it should be pre ecleston for sure, right?
A shock Master return. Captain Jack coming back. Judoon. Chameleon arch. The Doctor dressing like James Bond.
Tell you what, series 3 really was a wild ride.
Glad to see I'm not the only one noticing S3 plots in these episodes.
@@zitagirl1 And also Chibs basically redoing Gallifrey being destroyed
@@TheJaviferrol Yep. Everything he has done in S12 so far has been just redoing bits from S3 and people are eating it up. I might need to start guessing which episodes he's gonna rip-off next.
I can't believe that there is not a single dashline advertisement in the video. Great.
Who thinks Chris Chibnall has been watching Harry's videos?
This episode is what I have been waiting for, and I'm happy we've finally got it. I am legitimately looking forward to the rest of the series. I agree though that Jack seemed a bit useless, and with the Judoon as well I had a feeling about halfway through a fobwatch-type thing was coming, so I wasn't entirely surprised fro that regard.
Defiantly the best from chubnals era but still though it was average at best
Though jack coming back was the best thing since the masters reveal in The doctor falls
he may not appear again this series
ThatLegoGuy 029 I’m surprised it wasn’t announced beforehand like John simm returning lol
The master wasnt in twice upon a time??
www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jo-martin-first-black-doctor-21373790
Lee got the wrong episode
I had to laugh when I saw the first reviews of this episode. Until now, people have been screaming that it’s not enough like Moffat’s stories. Now, they’re screaming that it’s too much like his work. What is it that people want?
It's a shame that they went ahead and used this episode to ruin the entirety of the canon of the show.
It's awesome to see you motivated again!!
Best episode since late Matt Smith to early Peter Capadli Era. Jadun, Jack and shots of a ship that saves the budget, truly we live in an age of wonder.
I disagree as series 10 was pretty fun.
Early Capaldi era?
Heaven Sent was in his second season.
Eh. Capaldi has some great episodes that I really enjoy. And Smith can really carry a bad episode with his wacky acting.
This is just wrong
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