Thanks for you insightful knowledge brother. In all the overlanding and offroading channels I have learned more from you than any other channel. Most channels are gear oriented - "buy this", "am running blue bluh bluh in the front and this in the rear and a ...." This channel provides me with cerebral technical insights that are helpful . In all my 46 years I didn't know the inner workings of Torsen Diff, A Trac and many more stuff. Thanks
Thank you for your nice comments. The best "gear" is to just get out there and DO IT... no matter what you drive... go out and do, fail, make mistakes, succeed, repeat, gain experience ❤️ ✌️
You are the first (and only) channel that lists out all the differences between the 250 and 300 in detail and why they matter. extremely informative and you also make it very objective and very pleasant to hear. However, one good thing comes from the fact that they are assembled in japan, so quality and reliability is what we expect here.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD yes apparently both the Taharah plant (which used to produce the current reliable 4runner) and the Hino plant will be producing the land cruiser. However, only the Taharah plant will be producing all the new GX's, so something about the possibly higher standard or QC of Taharah vs Hino Idk.
My 2018 Limited has it all. Within the limits of sanity (9.6 inches of clearance) it's definitely an off road vehicle. Full time 4X, leather, JBL, Atrac,, center locker, AND.......that wonderful roll down rear window. If I buy anything......it will be the new GX........... PS......thank you for this great video. Everyone needs to watch it.........
The new “Land Cruiser “ ditches that rear fast glass for the old highlander style lift glass with embedded wiper. That is a cheap shot. Looks like it belongs on a ford escape or some similar nasty crossover. Anything on a land cruiser or a prado should look like it’s made to last.
DLewis, do you have the 20" wheels? Can you find good off-road tires for 20"? or did you get better wheels and tires? How is the Limited comfort on long trips? Compared to the new models, the 4Runner Limited seems like a good bargain for milder off road. I'm never going on those roads shown here, but some milder stuff to get to remote campsites, that's what I'm looking for.
@@mikecorpus1267 if you are going to encounter mud and or rocks you will need the 17s and an aggressive tire. Just get 17 inch steelies for the limited and all terrain tires. I have a trd sport with the 20 inch wheels and use 17 steels and winter tires in winter. The limited and sport are still 4 runners with low range and alltrac
I call it my poor man's Land Cruiser. Yes, 20 in tires. Not a problem. I tackled some tough terrain. Even when just using the center locker, it's been great. I've only had to use the Atrac once...and, it works. Here in New Mexico I sometimes drive over 150 miles at a time.......the JBL sound is fantastic, the front seats are cooled and "on the road" is smooth and comfy.......I would hate to give up my siding back window...........it's one of the things I love about this generation.......... It's a keeper........ Best to you!! @@mikecorpus1267
Just found your channel. Great job. Very informative. Considered trading in my 2014 FJ for the new LC. You have given me a lot to think about. And I hope Toyota is listening.
Great job explaining this. Love the NPC comment. The TH-camrs are well groomed and controlled by Toyota. Here's a "press" vehicle for a week and a couple of invites a year to events now don't say anything negative about Toyota. The issues the Tundra has had has been kept quiet on TH-cam for the most part. These guys should be asking how this new 2.4 turbo hybrid will be reliable when the 3.44 tt has had multiple issues.
Good call outs. Will the GX550 have the auto MTS feature? Your rear quarter panel took a hit @11:41 ouch. Remember the tag line from the intro was Landcruiser is going back to the basics…. Or something like that.
I want a Landcruiser that costs 10k less than a loaded 4-runner. Windows that go up and down, doors that lock, radio, cloth seats and a locker, maybe 2. That's it.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Looking forward to hearing about and seeing your Hurricane Hillary experience. You've been in my thoughts hoping that you made it through okay. Sounds like you're sill up and running 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 Love the super-informative content! I think you're educating a lot of people...quite impressive.
I agree with you 100%. This is why I purchased a 2021 Lexus LX 570 so I can have the full Land Cruiser experience in COMFORT. I also want to purchase the 2023 Lexus GX 460. I had a 2018 Lexus GX 460 and I loved it, I don’t believe in turbos I don’t believe in hybrids I don’t believe in electric I am a V-8 person all the way in some cases I’ll take a V6 as long as they don’t have turbos in my opinion I think the 2021 LX 570 and the 2023 GX 460 can last 20 or 30 years and that’s what I’m hoping for at least to get 10 to 20 years out of it and I know I could do that… can you do a video explaining the LX 600 versus the LX 570? In my opinion I think the LX 570 blows the LX 600 away what do you think? And will you do a video on that please? Please let me know if you can do that your videos are outstanding. They are all about the truth and not subjective. They’re very objective and that’s what I appreciate. Thank you for pointing out what you do because I will tell you I will never buy a Land Cruiser unless it’s a Land Cruiser 200 or 300 actually just 300 because the Land Cruiser 200 is like my LX 570 but I’m gonna be honest the LX 570 and Lexus is much better than the Land Cruiser 200 I’ve driven both and I will tell you the Lexus blows it away… thank you again for your videos they were outstanding🇺🇸🇯🇵❤️🤍💙
It’s the new Land Cruiser Prado in many countries like Australia. The Prado name is definitely not dead. In Europe the Prado was only called Land Cruiser and this new version of Land Cruiser Prado is still going to be called Land Cruiser in Europe and now in the US they l believe made the mistake of calling it Land Cruiser when the US had the previously available 200 series Land Cruiser. They should of called it Land Cruiser Prado or Land Cruiser 250 like in Japan so to avoid the criticism of this new Land Cruiser being directly compared to the previous available Land Cruiser the 200 series.
thank you for telling us the difference between the 250 and 300 series LC. I was thinkingof getting the 250, but now I guess I will just waitfor the gx550.
@@D.Dragoon bug the dealers ,we want base model none luxury LC300 v8 gas is ok we wanted it in the 100 and 200 series. base utility. model not a 3 row luxury car , like the sequoia TRD pro or LX600 which is a LC300
@@Richard-xv7yfhonestly we have the new sequioa and it's been amazing. Took the whole family deep into the backwoods of Wyoming with it on a 2500 mile road trip and it did great. We have it in lunar rock with the TRD off-road package
@@Richard-xv7yf yes it is TRD PRO @80K + markups .the fold down 3rd row takes up al the cargo space and it s to much of. luxury CAR, im in that $70k range nothing really good to pick from, every thing. is a 3 row luxury wagon , need to tow a 25' airstream and want to camp out of the back of a wagon/suv, we don't have 6 kids so no need for a 3rd row
Sure, we got the bison burger but without the honey bacon and pastrami. But it’s $6 less. It’s still a tasty burger though, that is within reach of most people. So for hungry off-roaders, this is good enough. Let’s not lose sight of the major non-marginal gains, especially the power train.
Apparently people are excited about “less”, thanks for being in the know. I AM a Toyota fan but disappointed in what this is, a Landcruiser by name only. In time lots of companies come to live off their name or past performances, just really sad to see Toyota do this. They used to stand for something and build purpose built vehicles. Their quality was legendary. Only Jeep has remained true to its roots but then there is the quality……🙄
If you look at the Prado 250 as a 4dr retro Land Cruiser/2nd gen FJ Cruiser, its probably great it almost everything.The new 4runner will be the fortuner. Look at it like a new "Land Cruiser" then it's a total disappointment. Unless the 250 Prado price diff is huge, and gets way better mpg than GX, and you don't need to tow much of anything, then the GX 250 is definitely the way to go.
Loving these video's!!!! Thanks for helping us see through the smoke and mirrors. As a guy who has owned a LC 200 (2020 HE), I want the LC "experience" again. (but I want something brand new). That's why I'm looking hard at the current GX 460. I want the "tightness"/ "tank feel" that I had with my LC. (plus V8) I'm not getting that in my 2023 TRD Pro 4Runner. It's awesome, don't get me wrong. It's just different.
Thank you for your kind words... yes that "Cadillac Tank" feel is very unique to Landcruiser. The "LC experience"... tricky thing is... if someone has never experienced that feel they don't understand what they're missing... so it's hard to put into context for the "give us a batebones LC camp"... in fact its an oxymoron... speaking in modern times of course... yes ancient LCs were raw... but not in the past 35 years 😊 ...
The wheel base has been standard on the 80 series through 300. Just because vehicles is based on the same platform, does not mean they're the same, ie. 2nd gen Tundra/Sequoia/200 series share the same base, but have lots of differences. The new "land cruiser" is a prado, quite literally, outside of powertrains, options, rhd, etc... aka the baby land cruiser, or light weigh, the 80, 100, 200, 300, LX models are medium duty, and 70 series is HD. Toyota should've just put the correct nameplate on it (prado 250), and not try to pull the wool over American's eyes with this faux "land cruiser" nameplate, kinda like with all the fj cruiser fanboy yuppies, who actually thought they had a Land Cruiser, but don't actually know the differences. It looks good, but 3500lbs. Less towing, that's definitely not medium duty. Just call it what it is. Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.
I will add that land cruiser is Toyotas flagship vehicle, not supra or any of that junk. It was always Land Cruiser. This ain’t no flagship, it is a more expensive 4 runner, look at it that way and it might make sense. Might😅
Great video as always. Love my ‘18 GX 460. Disappointed in what they took away from the US Version LC. A lot of people complained the LC 200 was too expensive and wished Toyota made a more bare bones LC 200 so it was affordable. I can appreciate Toyota making the new “Land Cruiser” more affordable but they did way more than strip it down. They cut off one of its balls, and hamstring its back legs. Just sayin.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Exactly! Those not familiar with LC won’t miss a thing I suppose. It will be a shame though when they take it off road and it under performs without the rear wheel KDSS and like your example, get stuck when almost high centered or any other situation where they will need that rear wheel articulation. Just seems odd Toyota would put the iconic Land Cruiser name on a watered down product.
As usual great video and thank you for not being a Toyota bot! I had my eye on the new LC but I think I will be holding on to my 5th Gen 4 Runner instead. I'm sure the new LC will be a great vehicle with it being made in the Tahara factory but that hybrid system and EPS is not for me.
Wasn’t the first slap in the face to USA 4X4 fans and I guarantee it won’t be the last. Toyota lost its way here in the USA a LONG time ago, after 1997 precisely. Their best purpose built Landcruisers like the 70’s Series DO NOT come here. That said subjective is right! As far as IFS goes GX460 and 5th Gen 4Runner will be missed. Thanks again for an excellent video.
Its not Toyota’s fault that the 70 series not available here in the US. The 70 series is the Heavy Duty LandCruiser used in the most remote and unforgiving places in the would and does not conform to US safety regulations which are ridiculously high. Why would Toyota redesign the 70 series for just one market when the rest of the world will take it just the way it is.
Thanks for the important insight. I knew something had to be missing at this price. Some version of KDSS (front and rear) is very important to me. That has been available in 4Runner TRD Off Road(premium only?). Perhaps also on same package on a Tacoma, not sure. I think I will concentrate on finding one of those, or just wait and see what the new 4Runner has to offer. But I have long wondered why Toyota paces so little emphasis on KDSS.Itis almost like a secret. An automatic sway bar disconnect system that greatly improves off road capability AND on road, and they don't seem to tell anyone about it. Go figure.
Agree. Very poor and out of touch marketing... KDSS, AVS, AHC, ATRAC, TRAC, MTS, XREAS all sound vague and boring... "Full-time 4WD" is good, but that term is decades only... the new stuff sounds good from a Japanese perspective but from an American perspective it misses the mark... think of how ford markets MTS as "GOAT Mode!" ... instant excitement
@@faheemabbas3965 I would get a Land Cruiser if I was interested in the fuel economy, the third row is a good reason, for which you can either spend more in a GX or less on a 4Runner
New Land Cruiser is nice and will sell well IMO. I do not think it is comparable to a LC200 IMO. I think it is $30K cheaper than previous 200 Series for a reason. And yes I own a 200 Series so I might be bias 🙂. I do like what Toyota is doing with this and the new GX550. The 300 Series is the one I wanted to see here in the USA in Land Cruiser form not the Lexus 🙂
This should have been the Sixth Generation 4 Runner🤷♂️one of the biggest jokes of the new Land Cruiser Light is a 4 Cylinder engine. Basically it’s a new RAV4🤣🤷♂️
@bluecruiser19 yes agree, this is going to be interesting to watch... my guess is the new 4runner will be outrageously "aggressive looking" to detract from lack of features... basically the Tacoma trims with some 4runner "uber styling"... you know... marketing...
Yeah for the price it has a lot of good features and let's be honest Toyota couldn't sell the land cruiser 200 in America with all the features at that super high price point. Moving the full land cruiser experience to Lexus makes sense TBH because that crowd will pay for it.
yeah that is the lexus crowd for sure. What toyota wants to do is sell a ton of land cruisers in America and for that they needed to make it more affordable so they paired down the features and luxuries and made something to compete with the new Bronco. The real deal will still cost $$$ and now it's a lexus @@youtubecarspottersguide1
Anyone expecting that a mid-$50,000 Land Cruiser is going to have all the accoutrements of the $95,000-120,000 "real" Land Cruiser and the real Land Cruiser "experience" is an idiot.
That only people that I find complaining are those who could afford a 100,000 dollar vehicle. I like this version because you can put your own stamp to it.
this is my plan I am going to get one and then Mod it out just the way I want it. They made it easy to mod for a reason because they know this will happen.
The new LC should have been called the new 4 Runner then just bring the 300 Series to US. The new LC kills the old LC name & is a disgrace. Americans get the lesser of everything..,,,
If you can pretend that the 300 series and the 70 series don’t exist in the world as new vehicles and this is a grand reset of land cruiser to more humble roots then it makes sense. Lot of “if” to swallow😅
@@Gemini_0815 I agree with almost everything you said (outside of the insults calling people stupid). I don't think is jealousy. I think its more like mild disappointment.
@@Gemini_0815 Good point but.....Its simple not possible to satisfy the every want/need of Toyota/off-road enthusiasts and that's fine. If you watch and listen to the last three or so weeks of this channels video's you get a pretty good idea of what individuals might be mildly disappointed about. You also get some of the positives as well. The Lexus J30 needs a Toyota badge that says Land Cruiser on it. The problem is the market for this vehicle in the USA is not the small subset of Land cruiser enthusiast. Its the larger subset of upscale SUV Lexus enthusiast that are not purchasing the vehicle for off-roading/overlanding. Its all just conversation at this point though as the USA market land cruiser is not even released yet.
@@FatalAnimal the real Land Cruiser is sold in the US as the Lexus LX600. The issue is passing this new vehicle as land cruiser returns, when it is really the land cruiser 250 or Prado. Which in current models was sold as the GX460 and 4Runner. Which means the current 4Runner limited has similar spec to this land cruiser and actually the 4.0L V6 which is used in the 70 series in some markets, makes it more of a land cruiser than this new “thing” and it’s cheaper. Just hilarious how much of a con this is.
@@joeblack1052 I take your point - guess we will just wait and see how it all plays out. I am willing to bet though that regardless of how Toyota shakes out its models they are going to sell and generate lots of good discussion =)
The items that have been omitted are minor at best. The things the new land cruiser gets far outweigh the things they did not elect to offer. for instance, a front sway bar disconnect offers improved articulation in the front IFS which has always been a short coming compared to a jeep with a live axle in the front. The Jeep will likely still outperform in terms of articulation despite having a fixed rear sway bar, the on-road dynamics are far inferior. Furthermore, the other vehicle with IFS and a sway bar, the bronco, is incredibly capable again with a fixed rear sway bar. The KDSS represents an overly complicated system that is a potential failure point. the sway bar disconnect system is simpler and likely more reliable in the long run. As far as a front locker, that's just not that important. I have front lockers on a jeep Rubicon, I have only needed them once maybe twice. a rear locker and a center locker absolutely. The land cruiser has both plus ATRAC. that will be more than capable for 99% of situations and likely 100% if one knows how to drive. Same with MTS a nice aid for novice drivers, however, form more experienced drivers not as big of a deal. and as far as the suspension again an overly complicated expensive to maintain and or repair system is not helpful for off roading. I would trade robustness and reliability over an electronically controlled system any day of the week, don't believe me ask anyone that drives king of the hammers. no electronic suspensions there. they instead rely on bypass shocks and other mechanical means. super reliable and very very robust. As far as the interior being not on par with previous land cruiser, this may be true, it may not. the fact remains the land cruiser failed to sell in the US when the price ballooned to 90K+. Toyota to make the Land Cruiser successful needed to get back to basics. A mechanically robust, over built vehicle that can take you anywhere you ever wanted to go in comfort. I think they likely succeeded in that. Time will tell and I for one am looking forward to experiencing it myself.
This sums up exactly how I feel too. It's a good set of features for the price point and honestly the features that most people don't care about are what got taken out. I personally prefer the land cruiser interior over the Lexus which sounds crazy but I like utilitarian and simple. Nice clicky buttons that hard surfaces that don't let you down is what I love. In that regard it's more like the 70 series which I love.
I completely agree with these statements! I feel that some people will always find something to complain about. The sales of the last Land Cruiser sold in the states was super low. True Land Cruiser was simple, well built and utilitarian design. I think Toyota did a very good job, going back to a more simple design with a lot of modern updates. 200 & 300 series Land cruiser owners are not the same customers that this vehicle will appeal to.
Thanks for you insightful knowledge brother.
In all the overlanding and offroading channels I have learned more from you than any other channel.
Most channels are gear oriented - "buy this", "am running blue bluh bluh in the front and this in the rear and a ...."
This channel provides me with cerebral technical insights that are helpful .
In all my 46 years I didn't know the inner workings of Torsen Diff, A Trac and many more stuff.
Thanks
Thank you for your nice comments. The best "gear" is to just get out there and DO IT... no matter what you drive... go out and do, fail, make mistakes, succeed, repeat, gain experience ❤️ ✌️
You are the first (and only) channel that lists out all the differences between the 250 and 300 in detail and why they matter. extremely informative and you also make it very objective and very pleasant to hear. However, one good thing comes from the fact that they are assembled in japan, so quality and reliability is what we expect here.
Very true. Taharah plant?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD yes apparently both the Taharah plant (which used to produce the current reliable 4runner) and the Hino plant will be producing the land cruiser. However, only the Taharah plant will be producing all the new GX's, so something about the possibly higher standard or QC of Taharah vs Hino Idk.
My 2018 Limited has it all. Within the limits of sanity (9.6 inches of clearance) it's definitely an off road vehicle.
Full time 4X, leather, JBL, Atrac,, center locker, AND.......that wonderful roll down rear window. If I buy anything......it will be the new GX........... PS......thank you for this great video. Everyone needs to watch it.........
The new “Land Cruiser “ ditches that rear fast glass for the old highlander style lift glass with embedded wiper.
That is a cheap shot.
Looks like it belongs on a ford escape or some similar nasty crossover.
Anything on a land cruiser or a prado should look like it’s made to last.
DLewis, do you have the 20" wheels? Can you find good off-road tires for 20"? or did you get better wheels and tires? How is the Limited comfort on long trips? Compared to the new models, the 4Runner Limited seems like a good bargain for milder off road. I'm never going on those roads shown here, but some milder stuff to get to remote campsites, that's what I'm looking for.
@@mikecorpus1267 if you are going to encounter mud and or rocks you will need the 17s and an aggressive tire.
Just get 17 inch steelies for the limited and all terrain tires.
I have a trd sport with the 20 inch wheels and use 17 steels and winter tires in winter.
The limited and sport are still 4 runners with low range and alltrac
I call it my poor man's Land Cruiser. Yes, 20 in tires. Not a problem. I tackled some tough terrain. Even when just using the center locker, it's been great. I've only had to use the Atrac once...and, it works.
Here in New Mexico I sometimes drive over 150 miles at a time.......the JBL sound is fantastic, the front seats are cooled and "on the road" is smooth and comfy.......I would hate to give up my siding back window...........it's one of the things I love about this generation.......... It's a keeper........
Best to you!!
@@mikecorpus1267
I agree. You're absolutely right!!!!@@joeblack1052
As usual, well-reasoned analysis and clear-headed, well-spoken descriptions of systems from the master of GXOR.
The best explanation on internet.
You hit the nail on the head, we lost the true LandCruiser experience. It’s a good thing I was converted to a GX fan years ago.
It is true we aren't getting the equivalent of the LC300 GR Sport. But the LC250 isn't that far off from the LC300 VX (doesn't have e-KDSS or AVS).
that is true... wish we could get the GRS though 😢
Great video, It seems like all auto manufactures are building cheaper new models and asking more money for them.
Just found your channel. Great job. Very informative. Considered trading in my 2014 FJ for the new LC. You have given me a lot to think about. And I hope Toyota is listening.
Thank you for subscribing 😃 ❤️... many are comparing the LC250 to the FJ... you will be happy 😊
Great job explaining this. Love the NPC comment. The TH-camrs are well groomed and controlled by Toyota. Here's a "press" vehicle for a week and a couple of invites a year to events now don't say anything negative about Toyota. The issues the Tundra has had has been kept quiet on TH-cam for the most part. These guys should be asking how this new 2.4 turbo hybrid will be reliable when the 3.44 tt has had multiple issues.
Good call outs. Will the GX550 have the auto MTS feature? Your rear quarter panel took a hit @11:41 ouch.
Remember the tag line from the intro was Landcruiser is going back to the basics…. Or something like that.
lol ... that's just plastic (rear bumper)... we've heat-gunned that thing back to shape countless times 😆
Love your honest, well thought-out, articulate reviews. Nobody else quite captures that.👍🏻. You’ve convinced me to hang on to my ‘16 LC forever! Ole!
@bobbyb.1743 the last V8 Landcruiser! ❤️ 😍 💖
I want a Landcruiser that costs 10k less than a loaded 4-runner. Windows that go up and down, doors that lock, radio, cloth seats and a locker, maybe 2. That's it.
I love my 2022 GX more because of this channel
we'll have a video out soon of the GX460 in the Hurricane Hilary 🌀 aftermath... stay tuned 😃
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Looking forward to hearing about and seeing your Hurricane Hillary experience. You've been in my thoughts hoping that you made it through okay. Sounds like you're sill up and running 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Love the super-informative content! I think you're educating a lot of people...quite impressive.
The cheaper disconnect system will be de rigueur with the Toyota badge and the expensive stabilisers and articulation will move to the Lexus badge.
Good info thanks.
Mr. GX460 , thanks' for the info , don't have a 4X4 yet , but , looking , please continue...!!👍.
Thank you for your support 🙏 🙌 ❤️
Only channel I've seen pointing some of these things out.
thank you 🙏... we try not to shill
I agree with you 100%. This is why I purchased a 2021 Lexus LX 570 so I can have the full Land Cruiser experience in COMFORT. I also want to purchase the 2023 Lexus GX 460. I had a 2018 Lexus GX 460 and I loved it, I don’t believe in turbos I don’t believe in hybrids I don’t believe in electric I am a V-8 person all the way in some cases I’ll take a V6 as long as they don’t have turbos in my opinion I think the 2021 LX 570 and the 2023 GX 460 can last 20 or 30 years and that’s what I’m hoping for at least to get 10 to 20 years out of it and I know I could do that… can you do a video explaining the LX 600 versus the LX 570? In my opinion I think the LX 570 blows the LX 600 away what do you think? And will you do a video on that please? Please let me know if you can do that your videos are outstanding. They are all about the truth and not subjective. They’re very objective and that’s what I appreciate. Thank you for pointing out what you do because I will tell you I will never buy a Land Cruiser unless it’s a Land Cruiser 200 or 300 actually just 300 because the Land Cruiser 200 is like my LX 570 but I’m gonna be honest the LX 570 and Lexus is much better than the Land Cruiser 200 I’ve driven both and I will tell you the Lexus blows it away… thank you again for your videos they were outstanding🇺🇸🇯🇵❤️🤍💙
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Don’t forget lx600/lc300 has stronger chassis and axle/diff. Also Lx570/lc200 is the worst Land Cruiser for offroad for sure.
It’s the new Land Cruiser Prado in many countries like Australia. The Prado name is definitely not dead. In Europe the Prado was only called Land Cruiser and this new version of Land Cruiser Prado is still going to be called Land Cruiser in Europe and now in the US they l believe made the mistake of calling it Land Cruiser when the US had the previously available 200 series Land Cruiser. They should of called it Land Cruiser Prado or Land Cruiser 250 like in Japan so to avoid the criticism of this new Land Cruiser being directly compared to the previous available Land Cruiser the 200 series.
thank you for telling us the difference between the 250 and 300 series LC. I was thinkingof getting the 250, but now I guess I will just waitfor the gx550.
Thank-you for support and for subscribing 🙏 ❤️ 😃
we really wanted the LC300 but a more utilitarian. base model@ $70k ,but it would cut into sequoia market
Wish we could sign a petition or something to get that.
They should have just stripped down the 300 a little, reduce the cost and got rid of the sequoia cause the new sequoia is pretty much useless
@@D.Dragoon bug the dealers ,we want base model none luxury LC300 v8 gas is ok we wanted it in the 100 and 200 series. base utility. model not a 3 row luxury car , like the sequoia TRD pro or LX600 which is a LC300
@@Richard-xv7yfhonestly we have the new sequioa and it's been amazing. Took the whole family deep into the backwoods of Wyoming with it on a 2500 mile road trip and it did great. We have it in lunar rock with the TRD off-road package
@@Richard-xv7yf yes it is TRD PRO @80K + markups .the fold down 3rd row takes up al the cargo space and it s to much of. luxury CAR, im in that $70k range nothing really good to pick from, every thing. is a 3 row luxury wagon , need to tow a 25' airstream and want to camp out of the back of a wagon/suv, we don't have 6 kids so no need for a 3rd row
Sure, we got the bison burger but without the honey bacon and pastrami. But it’s $6 less. It’s still a tasty burger though, that is within reach of most people. So for hungry off-roaders, this is good enough. Let’s not lose sight of the major non-marginal gains, especially the power train.
Apparently people are excited about “less”, thanks for being in the know. I AM a Toyota fan but disappointed in what this is, a Landcruiser by name only. In time lots of companies come to live off their name or past performances, just really sad to see Toyota do this. They used to stand for something and build purpose built vehicles. Their quality was legendary. Only Jeep has remained true to its roots but then there is the quality……🙄
If you look at the Prado 250 as a 4dr retro Land Cruiser/2nd gen FJ Cruiser, its probably great it almost everything.The new 4runner will be the fortuner. Look at it like a new "Land Cruiser" then it's a total disappointment. Unless the 250 Prado price diff is huge, and gets way better mpg than GX, and you don't need to tow much of anything, then the GX 250 is definitely the way to go.
I learn more from you than toyota's info. Thx for the details.
Thank you for supporting the channel 😀 🙏 ❤️
When is the new 4Runner coming to America?
unknown... but the 4runner is a top seller in the USA for toyota... so it's definitely comin...
The Prado started as a 2 door (short wheel base) in 1984 but have had a 4 door (long wheel base) option since 1990.
Loving these video's!!!! Thanks for helping us see through the smoke and mirrors. As a guy who has owned a LC 200 (2020 HE), I want the LC "experience" again. (but I want something brand new). That's why I'm looking hard at the current GX 460. I want the "tightness"/ "tank feel" that I had with my LC. (plus V8)
I'm not getting that in my 2023 TRD Pro 4Runner. It's awesome, don't get me wrong. It's just different.
Thank you for your kind words... yes that "Cadillac Tank" feel is very unique to Landcruiser. The "LC experience"... tricky thing is... if someone has never experienced that feel they don't understand what they're missing... so it's hard to put into context for the "give us a batebones LC camp"... in fact its an oxymoron... speaking in modern times of course... yes ancient LCs were raw... but not in the past 35 years 😊 ...
The wheel base has been standard on the 80 series through 300. Just because vehicles is based on the same platform, does not mean they're the same, ie. 2nd gen Tundra/Sequoia/200 series share the same base, but have lots of differences. The new "land cruiser" is a prado, quite literally, outside of powertrains, options, rhd, etc... aka the baby land cruiser, or light weigh, the 80, 100, 200, 300, LX models are medium duty, and 70 series is HD. Toyota should've just put the correct nameplate on it (prado 250), and not try to pull the wool over American's eyes with this faux "land cruiser" nameplate, kinda like with all the fj cruiser fanboy yuppies, who actually thought they had a Land Cruiser, but don't actually know the differences. It looks good, but 3500lbs. Less towing, that's definitely not medium duty. Just call it what it is. Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.
I will add that land cruiser is Toyotas flagship vehicle, not supra or any of that junk. It was always Land Cruiser.
This ain’t no flagship, it is a more expensive 4 runner, look at it that way and it might make sense.
Might😅
Great content as usual. I like the LC but the GX is in my blood. Keep Grinding!!!! ✌🏾👍🏾
Thank-you for your continued support... love both the LC and GX too 😃
Great video as always. Love my ‘18 GX 460. Disappointed in what they took away from the US Version LC. A lot of people complained the LC 200 was too expensive and wished Toyota made a more bare bones LC 200 so it was affordable. I can appreciate Toyota making the new “Land Cruiser” more affordable but they did way more than strip it down. They cut off one of its balls, and hamstring its back legs. Just sayin.
LOL 😆!! So true... the question: will most people care about what's missing???
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Exactly! Those not familiar with LC won’t miss a thing I suppose. It will be a shame though when they take it off road and it under performs without the rear wheel KDSS and like your example, get stuck when almost high centered or any other situation where they will need that rear wheel articulation. Just seems odd Toyota would put the iconic Land Cruiser name on a watered down product.
I think Toyota realigned their brands. Starting Land Cruiser to all the way up lexus Gx 550 overtrail plus.
As usual great video and thank you for not being a Toyota bot! I had my eye on the new LC but I think I will be holding on to my 5th Gen 4 Runner instead. I'm sure the new LC will be a great vehicle with it being made in the Tahara factory but that hybrid system and EPS is not for me.
Wasn’t the first slap in the face to USA 4X4 fans and I guarantee it won’t be the last. Toyota lost its way here in the USA a LONG time ago, after 1997 precisely. Their best purpose built Landcruisers like the 70’s Series DO NOT come here. That said subjective is right! As far as IFS goes GX460 and 5th Gen 4Runner will be missed. Thanks again for an excellent video.
hurts in the feels to know the world can get a million miles guaranteed 70 series... but we can't... 😢 😭
Its not Toyota’s fault that the 70 series not available here in the US. The 70 series is the Heavy Duty LandCruiser used in the most remote and unforgiving places in the would and does not conform to US safety regulations which are ridiculously high. Why would Toyota redesign the 70 series for just one market when the rest of the world will take it just the way it is.
Probably because they could care less about the American market. Jeep rules in capability but not in reliablility.
This is going to be a great SUV
Thanks for the important insight. I knew something had to be missing at this price. Some version of KDSS (front and rear) is very important to me. That has been available in 4Runner TRD Off Road(premium only?). Perhaps also on same package on a Tacoma, not sure. I think I will concentrate on finding one of those, or just wait and see what the new 4Runner has to offer. But I have long wondered why Toyota paces so little emphasis on KDSS.Itis almost like a secret. An automatic sway bar disconnect system that greatly improves off road capability AND on road, and they don't seem to tell anyone about it. Go figure.
Agree. Very poor and out of touch marketing... KDSS, AVS, AHC, ATRAC, TRAC, MTS, XREAS all sound vague and boring... "Full-time 4WD" is good, but that term is decades only... the new stuff sounds good from a Japanese perspective but from an American perspective it misses the mark... think of how ford markets MTS as "GOAT Mode!" ... instant excitement
Maybe the new landcruiser is more inline with the 70/75 series which is still being made for the world market
Super... like+
I would say get the Land Cruiser or get the GX 550 if you want the V6. I don't see a reason to get the hybrid GX.
Third row and mpg. But it may be the base model GX…
@@faheemabbas3965 I would get a Land Cruiser if I was interested in the fuel economy, the third row is a good reason, for which you can either spend more in a GX or less on a 4Runner
New Land Cruiser is nice and will sell well IMO. I do not think it is comparable to a LC200 IMO. I think it is $30K cheaper than previous 200 Series for a reason. And yes I own a 200 Series so I might be bias 🙂. I do like what Toyota is doing with this and the new GX550. The 300 Series is the one I wanted to see here in the USA in Land Cruiser form not the Lexus 🙂
Would you consider the non Overtrail GX550s, such as the Luxury trim, land cruisers?
without E-KDSS... no... but that's simply an opinion...
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I was a little disappointed the premium and luxury had so much less offroad stuff
The Prado in normal world market has faux suede upholstery on the interior body that is exactly same like RCF except named as Toyota.
Lol at the press NPC's 😂 thank you for speaking what we're all thinking!
This should have been the Sixth Generation 4 Runner🤷♂️one of the biggest jokes of the new Land Cruiser Light is a 4 Cylinder engine. Basically it’s a new RAV4🤣🤷♂️
Wonder what the 4runner will be like....?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD that’s what everybody is wondering🤷♂️ Think they backed themselves into a corner.
@bluecruiser19 yes agree, this is going to be interesting to watch... my guess is the new 4runner will be outrageously "aggressive looking" to detract from lack of features... basically the Tacoma trims with some 4runner "uber styling"... you know... marketing...
I think it's great value, at MSRP, which with these things is going to be hard to get.
Yes, I can't wait to get my hands on a good deal.
Yeah for the price it has a lot of good features and let's be honest Toyota couldn't sell the land cruiser 200 in America with all the features at that super high price point. Moving the full land cruiser experience to Lexus makes sense TBH because that crowd will pay for it.
@@kingofthesofas also for the week to the ski lodge in apsen , park city
yeah that is the lexus crowd for sure. What toyota wants to do is sell a ton of land cruisers in America and for that they needed to make it more affordable so they paired down the features and luxuries and made something to compete with the new Bronco. The real deal will still cost $$$ and now it's a lexus @@youtubecarspottersguide1
Love the GX, too bad it can only run on premium. Where is Andy Samberg?
My dream car is Sienna on a Land Cruiser body.
Im not interested in any of things removed. But I dont want anything hybrid. Ill be forced to Lexus GX. Please make a non hybrid 4 Runner!
Maybe Its the new 4Runner camouflaged as Land cruiser!
Outstanding video. Very in depth and well articulated.
Thank you for your support 🙏 🙌
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD do you think this has any foreshadowing to the new 4Runner (whenever it comes out)?
Anyone expecting that a mid-$50,000 Land Cruiser is going to have all the accoutrements of the $95,000-120,000 "real" Land Cruiser and the real Land Cruiser "experience" is an idiot.
That only people that I find complaining are those who could afford a 100,000 dollar vehicle. I like this version because you can put your own stamp to it.
this is my plan I am going to get one and then Mod it out just the way I want it. They made it easy to mod for a reason because they know this will happen.
@@kingofthesofas That blank canvas is beautiful. I’m with that.
The new LC should have been called the new 4 Runner then just bring the 300 Series to US. The new LC kills the old LC name & is a disgrace. Americans get the lesser of everything..,,,
agree... this is basically a nice 4runner
If you can pretend that the 300 series and the 70 series don’t exist in the world as new vehicles and this is a grand reset of land cruiser to more humble roots then it makes sense.
Lot of “if” to swallow😅
exactly the point. The world gets the 300 and the 70....... but for us..........
@@Gemini_0815 I agree with almost everything you said (outside of the insults calling people stupid). I don't think is jealousy. I think its more like mild disappointment.
@@Gemini_0815 Good point but.....Its simple not possible to satisfy the every want/need of Toyota/off-road enthusiasts and that's fine. If you watch and listen to the last three or so weeks of this channels video's you get a pretty good idea of what individuals might be mildly disappointed about. You also get some of the positives as well. The Lexus J30 needs a Toyota badge that says Land Cruiser on it. The problem is the market for this vehicle in the USA is not the small subset of Land cruiser enthusiast. Its the larger subset of upscale SUV Lexus enthusiast that are not purchasing the vehicle for off-roading/overlanding. Its all just conversation at this point though as the USA market land cruiser is not even released yet.
@@FatalAnimal the real Land Cruiser is sold in the US as the Lexus LX600.
The issue is passing this new vehicle as land cruiser returns, when it is really the land cruiser 250 or Prado.
Which in current models was sold as the GX460 and 4Runner.
Which means the current 4Runner limited has similar spec to this land cruiser and actually the 4.0L V6 which is used in the 70 series in some markets, makes it more of a land cruiser than this new “thing” and it’s cheaper.
Just hilarious how much of a con this is.
@@joeblack1052 I take your point - guess we will just wait and see how it all plays out. I am willing to bet though that regardless of how Toyota shakes out its models they are going to sell and generate lots of good discussion =)
The items that have been omitted are minor at best. The things the new land cruiser gets far outweigh the things they did not elect to offer. for instance, a front sway bar disconnect offers improved articulation in the front IFS which has always been a short coming compared to a jeep with a live axle in the front. The Jeep will likely still outperform in terms of articulation despite having a fixed rear sway bar, the on-road dynamics are far inferior. Furthermore, the other vehicle with IFS and a sway bar, the bronco, is incredibly capable again with a fixed rear sway bar. The KDSS represents an overly complicated system that is a potential failure point. the sway bar disconnect system is simpler and likely more reliable in the long run.
As far as a front locker, that's just not that important. I have front lockers on a jeep Rubicon, I have only needed them once maybe twice. a rear locker and a center locker absolutely. The land cruiser has both plus ATRAC. that will be more than capable for 99% of situations and likely 100% if one knows how to drive. Same with MTS a nice aid for novice drivers, however, form more experienced drivers not as big of a deal. and as far as the suspension again an overly complicated expensive to maintain and or repair system is not helpful for off roading. I would trade robustness and reliability over an electronically controlled system any day of the week, don't believe me ask anyone that drives king of the hammers. no electronic suspensions there. they instead rely on bypass shocks and other mechanical means. super reliable and very very robust.
As far as the interior being not on par with previous land cruiser, this may be true, it may not. the fact remains the land cruiser failed to sell in the US when the price ballooned to 90K+. Toyota to make the Land Cruiser successful needed to get back to basics. A mechanically robust, over built vehicle that can take you anywhere you ever wanted to go in comfort. I think they likely succeeded in that. Time will tell and I for one am looking forward to experiencing it myself.
Maybe they should create car makes for different terrain
This sums up exactly how I feel too. It's a good set of features for the price point and honestly the features that most people don't care about are what got taken out. I personally prefer the land cruiser interior over the Lexus which sounds crazy but I like utilitarian and simple. Nice clicky buttons that hard surfaces that don't let you down is what I love. In that regard it's more like the 70 series which I love.
I completely agree with these statements! I feel that some people will always find something to complain about. The sales of the last Land Cruiser sold in the states was super low. True Land Cruiser was simple, well built and utilitarian design. I think Toyota did a very good job, going back to a more simple design with a lot of modern updates. 200 & 300 series Land cruiser owners are not the same customers that this vehicle will appeal to.
Too cheaply made too unreliable