I’m fine with Toyota consolidating their body on frame vehicles into one platform to save costs, but they gotta pass some cost savings to their loyal customers. Instead they gave us the middle finger.
nah bruh it goes to the almighty shareholder... BUT not in Japan. They care about their own people. Americans are the guinea pigs + cash cows of the world. America is a business park. We pay the most for drugs, unhealthy food additives that our own companies can't sell to foreigners but can pump into us to eek out more returns for shareholders, don't even get me started on houses.
oh you speak the truth....our 1995 _base_ Camry (5 speed stick and roll up windows) had 2 hood struts as OEM... both worked when we sold the vehicle at 300k miles... our '22 Sienna gets a cheap prop rod even though it's not a "base" trim
Absolutely brilliant explanation. Makes me feel better and better about investing in a 22 GX460. I drove that LC250 and the engine was screaming the entire time, you could tell it wasn't built to last. Americans love trading in their cars fancy new tech and screens, my gut tells me in 5 years that LC250 will be worth less than half of what my GX460 will.
Imagine how much sales would be taken away from Jeep & Toyota and all their overpriced off-roaders, if the affordable Suzuki Jimny was released in the US.
I shopped around for 4Runner this week. I was just curious what they were going for. I called five Toyota dealerships around me and each of them are marking up the barebones SR5 with 4WD $5-$10k! They want $55k for a freaking 4Runner! Insane! I laughed and hung up the phone.
That's because it is probably the only SR5 4x4 allocated for the area. Wait til Summer/Fall when these 4Runners flood the dealership lots and the price will come back to "normal." Just look at all those 2024 Tacos sitting at dealerships with huge discounts.
This video is pure gold. I think Kirk Kriefels actually said, “this new generation 4Runner drives more like any new SUV, like a Palisade or others in its class.” He said it as a positive, which is insane, but that right there should steer anyone away from this generation 4Runner. Great content as usual, amigo!
That's still too much when you consider how quickly the GX depreciates and is not only a better vehicle from factory but is a better buy only five years down the road.
Toyota has alienated it's base so much, I can't see myself stepping away from my V8 4Runner. The 120 platform is arguably one of the best bang for buck from Toyota. I could see myself restoring a 100 series Land Cruiser or swapping a 1UR into a 5th gen 4Runner if I had a lot of extra time/money.
Great channel - owned a 86 supra, 91' 4 runner, 04' 4 runner, and a 2019 trd 4 runner. Currently driving a 2019 GX 460, which i get serviced at my local Toyota dealership ( Great Dealership) . It is sad to see how poorly built the new toyotas are---- I look at them in the showroom and it obvious that they are not what they used to be , so cheap . On the bright side tho, I really like your channel and you have offered great advice, which has helped me with my GX-----This is probably the best vehicle i have ever owned and I've had a few .
And americans will buy it, i'd say 6 cylinder Diesel V6 is the engine we need, strong, great MPG. The amounts of copium that truck/toyota fans have is just out of this world. These new toyota engines are laughable, you don't even get mileage with these 4 bangers, then add the super expensive cost...
@pabss3193 ya you will can't argue with the mpgs.... turbo4 users are reporting the same mpgs as a GX460 4.6l V8... and the tanks appear to be getting smaller too? 😢
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD it's all in the foot on the gas pedal. In my '20 GX 460 I got 20 mpg combined in nothing but city driving just this last week, and 25.3 mpg on a full day's driving coming back from visiting family several states away for Christmas. It's literally the same as what the much more costly and complicated and not as time tested 2.4 is quoted to do. Everyone wants to blame the government regs but they shouldn't forget toyota is also taking them for a ride and pocketing the money. This off road everything trend that came about after covid is hitting the approaching middle age millennial buyer hard because they'd normally be buying the super sport compact of their boyhood dreams...but nobody except honda and hyundai makes one these days. So instead they line up to pay 70 grand for a 4Runner!
Diesel straight six, not V6..... Seven main bearings Vs four. All industrial / commercial six cylinder diesels are inline for a reason. Inherent balance (no need for balance shafts like V6) seven main bearings supporting a far more robust crankshaft. V6 engines exist for only 2 reasons, packaging space, and commonality on production line with other V type engines.
DOA is a pretty good assessment of the situation. For decades Toyota sold us on reliability, and then they took that away, charged us more, and thought no one would notice. The irony is that the powertrain changes were supposedly done to improve fuel economy but +1 mpg of difference for all of that? Giant failboat.
This is true, if you compare the v4 turbos with out going 1GR-FE, there's only one mpg of difference. I don't know if I blame toyota, but instead blame more the politics of America. All this green, anti fossil fuel bs is what is driving it imo.
Who told you they are to improve fuel economy, they first and foremost changed to adhere to new federal mandates, Toyota had no choice, otherwise we would still have the old engines for another 15 years. New drivetrains make up to double the power while retaining same or improved mpg even if its +1. The new TT V6 is making close to 500hp and 600ft/lbs of torque.
@@GXMAN16 Certain 4Runner owners have been complaining for years about the fuel economy of this car. Toyota finally relented. As far as federal greenhouse gas emissions standards if you read it it is very vague about C02 emissions, and even doesn't take effect until 2027. With Trump in office, it may even get reversed like the EV mandate did. Besides, Nissan's doing just fine with their naturally aspirated V6s so I don't see how Toyota was forced to do anything this year.
It's an influencer turd. Built by influencers for influencers, shiny on the outside with a lot of stupid electronics, a big slimy turd underneath the hood. Thank you for making this video! Sick of seeing all the channels shilling the new T4r smh
It’s either a 4runner or landcruiser 250 for me. I want a Japanese built 4x4. Fyi hear in Canada the 4Runner hype is greater than the landcruiser I live in the mountains and regardless of generation 4Runner is king it’s a part of the culture.
Of course. It's "new". Using the same platform means they will all succeed or fail...no in between. Looking at all of the Tacoma base trims that people won't even purchase at my local dealer tells me a different long term story.
Thank god I got the last of the GX460; everything new on the TNGF platform except the LC 300 is just a different dress and a scam to get the consumer to pay more for less under the dress.
Having had 4 Land Cruisers, an FJC, and other 4wd Toyota products over the past 3 decades, I am happy we picked up a new 5th gen Dec ‘23. Fits the attributes I cherish from Toyota. Long term durability, low upkeep, confidence. It was either that or the base 1958 as I appreciate the full time 4wd for winter driving where we live. But in the end the new engine/drivetrains was too much of an unknown. I also suspect 5th gen’s will hold value very well into the future
Best explanation of what real Toyota enthusiasts/owners are feeling about the new 4R now. All these other big auto youtubers seem so excited like its the best thing since sliced bread. Meanwhile most enthusiasts could care less. The 4 cyl ruins the experience of the 4R/Tacoma. It sounds like an old diesel tractor engine and is rough too.
Automotive engineering student here. The EPA is to blame with most vehicles becoming unreliable now a days in 2011 a car can put out 180kg of CO2/100kms now its less than half of that and oil manufacturers are also forced to remove the molybdenum that protects engines as it damages catalytic converters. Toyota got away with this by adding piston wall coating and extra oil control rings but when they wear off they start to burn oil. The viscosity of 5w30 oil vs 0w20 and 0w16 is so minimal in the thousands that manufacturers rather sell you on the 0w20 for better gas mileage when in reality is so minimal it doesn’t matter yet when your car starts to burn oil they say go thicker? The second reason and we are to blame for this customers. We live in the “look at me” generation where everyone wants to show a brand new product they got online, the cause of this lowered the life cycle of electronics, clothing products and cars. The lowest lease you can get now is 3 years! Manufacturers are then forced to keep up with demand to keep interest and end up releasing vehicles without testing everything but we do a FEA analysis in both CATIA and SOLIDWORKS. its theoretical and doesnt take consideration of climate and environment..
I would say from experience daily offroad in New England/Canada the new ‘Yotas are not as impervious to the elements as previous generations, but I’m an extremely small test sample. Following my GX460 into a river, my friends new 550 started taking on water through the trunk and rear door seal, something that doesn’t occur on my 460. When we addressed the issue we noticed the seals became a bit loose from flexing over some rocks in the water and caused it to enter. Now his power trunk and seat controls are out, along with his speedometer screen. Once again I’m a small test case and his is a 2025, but fording through water almost daily my 2020 460 has never allowed water to ingress. Maybe they need to make the Overtrail a little more basic as my GX460’s manual barn door has never failed me. *I always have trust in Toyotas engineers though, and I imagine they’ll address these issues
thank you for this real world feedback 🙏 🙌 ❤️ 😃... Can't prove it, but I wonder if Toyota lightened the body around the rear hatch on the 550 vs the LC300?? thus allowing for more body flex? who knows just a guess.. please keep everyone posted 🙇♂️ ... the sheetmetal on the GX460 around the important stuff is donkey thick... it's actually quite ridiculous how thick it is... wonder if those areas are "lightened" on the 550?
I'm actually cross shopping a Honda Pilot Trailsport or a used GX460.. The more I consider the new US model 4runner the less I find it desirable. Also, I have a late model Prado in the Philippines so not getting fooled by what we're getting in the US.
@@Anomize23 oh man, I really hate to see what they have done😬 Already know friends that have regretted 😔 I would love to see them turn it around. Unfortunately I think all manufacturers are going down this path.🤷♂️
the costume factor is the whole selling point of the 4runner.. the LC300 and LC200 look conservative... the lack of refinement in 4runner is made up by over the top "aggressive looks"... so ya it will sell fast lol
4Runner too big with a terrible sounding 4 banger. Close your eyes and listen to the non hybrid 4 cylinder and you get “enterprise rental car special” Nissan Rogue.
@ 4 cylinder base at mid $40k? Only if it’s diesel. Full disclosure I’m only a Gen 1 or 2 Tacoma or 4Runner, GX 470 and 460 person. However I prefer Nissans since the late 80s.
@@trailrunnah8886 that V6 sounds like a V8 and it sounds very masculine. I think you belong in an EV fan page if you think it sounds horrible because you are in the minority with that 😂
Here’s a question for you Admin, what car would you get if money was no issue? I have friends with Mercedes-Benz G550/ G63 AMG’s, Jeeps, Fords of all kinds, Lexus GX and LX’s, and more and it seems like the GX and the LX are the best bang for the buck at the moment. Sadly it seems like the reliability while still good isn’t what it used to be. And now as a buyer looking for a new car it’s like, where do you go if you want reliability and off road capability/ robustness? Is the LX700h Overtrail our saving grace? Or do you think that hybrid powertrain will also have bugs since it’s the same twin turbo V6 from the Tundra/ Sequoia fiasco?
a fantasy vehicle would be a Landcruiser 300GRS with the approach angle corrected to at least 39 degrees like on the old 1996 Rav4. In reality, a Lexus 700h OT _with_ e-kdss would do too... neither choice exists in [American] reality, so LX700hOT is the closest... if nothing fits, then simply don't buy... wait til they get it right... curious as to what the next gen Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon will be like though....
The new 4Runner is garbage if you ask me I'm not into smaller engines with turbos too much heat to each their own if that's what you're into knock yourself out spending 60k on something that may be worth 40K I have a third gen Tacoma with a reliable V6 and a manual transmission 4X4 I don't need anything else + i paid 40K poverty 📦 I also did the OTT tune that made a big difference I don't even think it's much lower than the new Tacoma they're like 700+ lb heavier
Agree with your take on the full time 4WD system in the LC250. I think the 4Runner Limited trim in non hybrid is also a good value for a “family SUV” that can off road. It’s got some the frills you’ll see in unibody competitors, a bit more luxury and then that Torsen and ATRAC.
ya in 1999 on that dealer lot a base Tacoma was $9,999... a Corolla was $12,000... A truck back then meant you were a either contractor or too p00r to afford a sedan... if you wanted to offroad you got a Jeep or Landcruiser
I though I was losing my mind when I saw the price of the current Tacoma, as I also remember Toyota compact trucks were either cheaper or the same price as a Camry, not sure about Corolla.
@czr323 sorry I meant to say "25 years" not "20" but close enough... I was there on the lots in 1999 shopping....I remember cause the _only_ vehicles under 10k were the Tacomas that had the $9,999 sticker on them... all the corollas were like $11k-13k... it was shocking to see a new [toyota] vehicle under 10k then... but we were like "oh of course... it's just a pickup truck that's why it's so cheap"... how times have changed 😆
The Big T has gone totally stark raving nuts down under here in OZ too. The new 250 with rear locker costs $AUD103k. A new base 300GX kicks off at $105k. Just reeks of super-profits from soccer mums.
I would never upgrade my 5th-Gen 4Runner for 2 of the 6th-gen for free...I would love the Lexsus GX550 OT+ and still like to keep my 5th Gen 4Runner limited.
Perfect example subarue wilderness with a cvt transmission. Name it a wilderness, put some mud tires on it, and American will believe it will go anywhere 😅
The new 4Runner and Land Cruiser are redundant. They should've taken one back to basics with manual everything, solid front axle, and removable top to eat the Wrangler's lunch
We all really wanted to care. I so wanted the 4runner or land cruiser to be my next car. I finally had to aknowledge that they cam close and just missed the mark. I have a tiny thread of hope that they'll put a normal engine into the landruiser. I know it won't happen, but I can hope.
The 5th gen 4-Runner had terrible sales in its first couple years when it came out. Some say it was almost cancelled. But over time it recovered as its reputation was positive and it started selling well again. The new 4-Runner is a much different beast so time will tell. I think the Tacoma and Tundra issues might scare away new informed 4-Runner buyers. I agree with you that the Toyota/Lexus lineup now has too much overlap between its models in terms of pricing and value propositions.
@crazyone1067 ya, unfortunately, there's an army of yt toyota payroll NPC shill-bots on deployment out there right now selling up the new 4runner with little to no genuine criticism 😆
Totally nailed it. It really is the new Malaise era. Most people don't care, they buy the brand name image. Look at modern Land Rover people🤣🤣🤣 Wayyy back in their history, the old Rover company built some of the best 4WDs ever made, Then , Toyota got in the game and did the same thing, earning and maintaining a reputation for solidly built simple reliable vehicles that did exactly what people needed them to do. Later, things got fancy, but with Toyota, the excellence was maintained. With Rover, the image from the glory days of the 1950's and 1960's kept selling vehicles long after the quality had gone away...... Now, Decades later, I'm afraid Toyota has watched all the profits that Land Rover has made selling luxury junk and sadly following that path at last..... Bummer..
I was so stoked for the updated interior of the 4Runner. It was my dream SUV but the moment I found out they completely changed the engine I lost interest immediately.
I'm going to keep my 5th gen 4Runner and I'm going to nerd out because we bought our cars the same time my license plate is 8XPD I bought in July 2021 it's equipped with exactly what I need and nothing that I don't
Toyota has become very dependent on the lower end consumers (example, our 4th Gen Tacoma) chasing aftermarket parts to “decorate their costume”. The “all ARB everything” top tier 4th Gen Tacoma models exposed Toyota’s playbook of putting vehicles on “cost diets” … feeding directly into the (whichever six types of offroader they are) industrial complex.
@ Absolutely, demonstrated by poor compatibility of their own Toyota-branded accessories. We have exactly four accessories on our 4th Gen Tacoma: bed step, bed mat, bed divider, and hard tri-fold bed cover. Installation of the bed cover lowered the factory bed rail 1/2” rendering the Toyota bed divider physically impossible to use with the Toyota bed mat. It’s absolutely a “first world problem” so the divider got the boot; we would have expected far better compatibility of products all bearing the Toyota brand…but for the lower echelon TNGA platforms Toyota has farmed out production to companies like Bakflip who are left unchecked when it comes to Toyota brand accessory compatibility. (We have to be sure to secure our possessions while stopping at Starbucks in the city on the way to the cubicle!)
I think they are putting so many vehicles on shared platform in order to do something similar to teslas “unboxed manufacturing”. I think it’s more focused on their EV line up but who’s to say it won’t be for all? Just my opinion.
I have owned two 5th gen 4Runners from around 2012 to 2023, and now have a GX550 OT+. I am not even looking at the 6th gen 4Runner, or Prado. As a Japanese living in North America since 2007, the 5th gen was the only North American market 4x4 I trusted to use for my offroad adventure needs. I'm not looking for a turbo 4 cylinder hybrid, with no front bumpstops in a heavy body-on-frame vehicle, especially that uses a fullsize heavy platform. Also, I think the 6th gen is ugly and looks too American... Oh wait.. Toyota USA designed it lol. I'll use the GX550 for 2 or 3 years, then I am going to import a classic Toyota Land Cruiser. The GX550 interior has not met my expectations.
Nah. This is America. People will buy the SR5 with a MSRP in the 40s. Honda passport trail sport won’t out wheel the 4R and some people want a solid roof over their heads
What this makes me think is for the price I am not going to feel bad buying the 2025 GX550 Overtrail. I know the interior isn't the same as the 460 but I think for the money it's the best I can do on this new platform. I'm not really interested in the LX. They need to put the LX interior into the 550 and then they would have something.
we are toyoya nerds splitting toyota-hairs here.... honestly, they're all Toyotas and you'll be happy with whatever you chose so long as it makes you feel happy. Enjoy your new 550 and thank you for your continued support of the channel 😀 🙏 ❤️ 🙇♂️
I just went to test drive a the new gen SR5, looked great in person, but wanted hypothetical numbers on a TRD Sport Prem. W/ 2500 down on a 3 yr lease - $1132, pass!
I really hope that true Toyota loyalists look away from these vehicles. Toyota has turned greedy, its easy to see when you see stuff like this or their apparent lapse of quality control over the last 5 years. I paid Toyota tax in the past, for Toyota durability and reliability. If Toyota isnt that anymore, why would i pay outrageous Toyota tax on a car that no longer holds that quality that attracted consumers to them in the first place? At this point if i needed a truck, I'd go towards Nissan who still offers a N/A powertrain. If i needed a car/SUV, id go towards mazda which has made big strides in reliability over the last decade. Toyota, has gotten comfortable. I don't support their lack of ambition to continue to be the best in terms of reliability.
The top 6th Gen trims are what scarring people price-wise. A 2024 TRD OR Premium was selling for around $51-52K. The 6th Gen TRD OR Premium is $55K, but it has more power, more gears, up-to-date interior and tech, and more refined offroad goodies (quiet ATRAC and CRAWL). It is better than the 5th Gen in every way, save for the unproven turbo-4. The 2025 TRD Pro, for example, blows the 5th Gen TRD Pro out of the water in terms of power, amenities, comfort, etc.; so yeah, it will cost you. Is the new Pro worth $10K more than the old Pro? I dunno.
My 2019 TRDPro 4Runner is still a tank. Got it second hand in 2020 with 30k on the dash for $40k at the time (a ton for me) but WELL WORTH IT! Looking to get a 2022/2023 LC200 or GX. I love your focus on psychology! It's the microtransaction "legendary armor" for driving around town... but it costs a TON!
Pure greed by toyota. All of the tooling investements for the tahara plant broke even within the first couple years of the 5th gen 4runner production. Essentially guaranteed profit for 10 years. Total middle finger to everyone
Sad and true about people just wanting perceived ruggedness. Most people just want the snorkel, roof rack, angry lights, and are willing to pay the massive markup for all those cheapy psuedo offroad attatchments contributing to toyotas incentive to make crummier platforms for trucks. But fanboys will still buy these trucks with poor offroad numbers (ground clearance, articulation) and say "they're 99% as capable as jeeps and will last 1000x longer" just making the market worse for _ALL_ truck makers not just toyota, because of lack of competition from having such a low bar of standards. People have been reduced to thinking toyota badge equals reliability and accessories equal offroad prowess. I really want to see better from toyota even though I'll never buy one anyway.
yep it's all a facade... the juvenile angry-face "grills" on nearly all cars in the past 15 years speak of the overall insecurity of the average buyer/debt-slave... the GX460 has that silly grille too of course... it's all an attempt to make the oppressed wage-slave feel more in control on the way to and fro' the cube each day. sad...
If I'm going to pay luxury prices, I'm going to buy a luxury car. Checked out Lexus GX550, and hard pass. Interior feels cheap like a Nissan Rogue rental car. Doors feel light and tinny. Sequoia's cargo area is fatally flawed. Nah, moving on...
Lol bunch of haters. Trying to convince others why they shouldn’t buy is pathetic.
Pathetic you say. The irony in this TH-cam comment. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AxeRedrumprobably a Toyota fanboy with no understanding of the mechanics explained in this show.
@@AxeRedrumprobably a dealership
@@nateez3898 *_[PIN OF SHAME]_* 📌
some one trying to justify spending a 60k on a 4runner just to feel good about crap
I’m fine with Toyota consolidating their body on frame vehicles into one platform to save costs, but they gotta pass some cost savings to their loyal customers. Instead they gave us the middle finger.
Greed.
The dollar lost a ton of value over the past few years. You weren’t gonna see a cheaper MSRP… LOL
Inflation! Learn economics, please.
nah bruh it goes to the almighty shareholder... BUT not in Japan. They care about their own people.
Americans are the guinea pigs + cash cows of the world. America is a business park. We pay the most for drugs, unhealthy food additives that our own companies can't sell to foreigners but can pump into us to eek out more returns for shareholders, don't even get me started on houses.
As silly as it may sound, but going from hood struts to a prop rod tells you all you need to know about the direction Toyota took for this 6th gen
oh you speak the truth....our 1995 _base_ Camry (5 speed stick and roll up windows) had 2 hood struts as OEM... both worked when we sold the vehicle at 300k miles... our '22 Sienna gets a cheap prop rod even though it's not a "base" trim
Absolutely brilliant explanation. Makes me feel better and better about investing in a 22 GX460. I drove that LC250 and the engine was screaming the entire time, you could tell it wasn't built to last. Americans love trading in their cars fancy new tech and screens, my gut tells me in 5 years that LC250 will be worth less than half of what my GX460 will.
Imagine how much sales would be taken away from Jeep & Toyota and all their overpriced off-roaders, if the affordable Suzuki Jimny was released in the US.
only one word to describe why we can't have the Jimny: conspiracy 🤔
Not much, how many 2dr wranglers do you see for every 4dr wrangler?
@@TobyCostaRica There are 4dr jimnys
Does Anyone Care About the '25 Toyota 4-Runner? NOPE and have been driving Toyotas for 35 years !
I shopped around for 4Runner this week. I was just curious what they were going for. I called five Toyota dealerships around me and each of them are marking up the barebones SR5 with 4WD $5-$10k! They want $55k for a freaking 4Runner! Insane! I laughed and hung up the phone.
@rayrenz3599 next time fart in the phone before you hang up on them
That's because it is probably the only SR5 4x4 allocated for the area. Wait til Summer/Fall when these 4Runners flood the dealership lots and the price will come back to "normal." Just look at all those 2024 Tacos sitting at dealerships with huge discounts.
Bro, 55 is kinda where the sticker starts
@@bambammartin1556 : Check the Toyota website for MSRP. That being said, dealer markup is a different story.
That's what I paid for my TRD pro 5th Gen
This video is pure gold. I think Kirk Kriefels actually said, “this new generation 4Runner drives more like any new SUV, like a Palisade or others in its class.” He said it as a positive, which is insane, but that right there should steer anyone away from this generation 4Runner. Great content as usual, amigo!
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I think Doug Demuro said that lol
@arhamkhakwani5851 Man, even worse. Haha.
I'm sticking with my 2017 4runner. Zero problems at 150k miles.
You absolutely can’t go wrong.
Got my 2017 too. it’s crazy how our 5th gen looks way more modern and integrated than the new generation. Its an absolute interior disaster 🙈
@ My thought exactly!
If you kept it for 15 more years and then did a complete restoration, it would be worth a fortune!
Long term reliability for the power train is the biggest issue for me.
engine's been out since 2021 and the transmission probably revised / reviewed heavily from the tacoma (also japan built here vs mexico)
@@chibbyylol2021 is hardly long term.
Let’s see some examples with 200k miles with nothing but basic maintenance.
The new 4Runner would be a good truck if it was 32k
That's still too much when you consider how quickly the GX depreciates and is not only a better vehicle from factory but is a better buy only five years down the road.
Its an suv not a truck
@@jonc2914 This
Thank you for always telling it like it is. All of your videos are packed with useful information, appreciate it!
@@clownfish7776 🙏 ❤️ 🙇♂️ we appreciate your support 😃
Only the paid shills like tfl offroad and a handful of others are j@ckin 0ff to these new toyotas 😮
I remember when "Toys" were great, now they're nothing to play with!
Toyota has alienated it's base so much, I can't see myself stepping away from my V8 4Runner. The 120 platform is arguably one of the best bang for buck from Toyota.
I could see myself restoring a 100 series Land Cruiser or swapping a 1UR into a 5th gen 4Runner if I had a lot of extra time/money.
Great channel - owned a 86 supra, 91' 4 runner, 04' 4 runner, and a 2019 trd 4 runner. Currently driving a 2019 GX 460, which i get serviced at my local Toyota dealership ( Great Dealership) . It is sad to see how poorly built the new toyotas are---- I look at them in the showroom and it obvious that they are not what they used to be , so cheap . On the bright side tho, I really like your channel and you have offered great advice, which has helped me with my GX-----This is probably the best vehicle i have ever owned and I've had a few .
@@williammoore906 thank you for your kind 🙏 ❤️ 🙇♂️
And americans will buy it, i'd say 6 cylinder Diesel V6 is the engine we need, strong, great MPG.
The amounts of copium that truck/toyota fans have is just out of this world.
These new toyota engines are laughable, you don't even get mileage with these 4 bangers, then add the super expensive cost...
6 cylinder diesel V6, you are delusional if you think any car company will offer that in America in 2025
@pabss3193 ya you will can't argue with the mpgs.... turbo4 users are reporting the same mpgs as a GX460 4.6l V8... and the tanks appear to be getting smaller too? 😢
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD it's all in the foot on the gas pedal. In my '20 GX 460 I got 20 mpg combined in nothing but city driving just this last week, and 25.3 mpg on a full day's driving coming back from visiting family several states away for Christmas. It's literally the same as what the much more costly and complicated and not as time tested 2.4 is quoted to do. Everyone wants to blame the government regs but they shouldn't forget toyota is also taking them for a ride and pocketing the money. This off road everything trend that came about after covid is hitting the approaching middle age millennial buyer hard because they'd normally be buying the super sport compact of their boyhood dreams...but nobody except honda and hyundai makes one these days. So instead they line up to pay 70 grand for a 4Runner!
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I get 25 on the highway with my new LC. City i get like 18ish, but sometimes closer to 16 with traffic
Diesel straight six, not V6..... Seven main bearings Vs four. All industrial / commercial six cylinder diesels are inline for a reason. Inherent balance (no need for balance shafts like V6)
seven main bearings supporting a far more robust crankshaft. V6 engines exist for only 2 reasons, packaging space, and commonality on production line with other V type engines.
DOA is a pretty good assessment of the situation. For decades Toyota sold us on reliability, and then they took that away, charged us more, and thought no one would notice. The irony is that the powertrain changes were supposedly done to improve fuel economy but +1 mpg of difference for all of that? Giant failboat.
ya the mpg reports from those with the turbo4 are the same worse than the outgoing 4.6L v8 😢
This is true, if you compare the v4 turbos with out going 1GR-FE, there's only one mpg of difference. I don't know if I blame toyota, but instead blame more the politics of America. All this green, anti fossil fuel bs is what is driving it imo.
Who told you they are to improve fuel economy, they first and foremost changed to adhere to new federal mandates, Toyota had no choice, otherwise we would still have the old engines for another 15 years. New drivetrains make up to double the power while retaining same or improved mpg even if its +1. The new TT V6 is making close to 500hp and 600ft/lbs of torque.
@@Juan048117mpg vs 21mpg is a difference of 1mpg?
I’m not sure you’re math is mathing
@@GXMAN16 Certain 4Runner owners have been complaining for years about the fuel economy of this car. Toyota finally relented. As far as federal greenhouse gas emissions standards if you read it it is very vague about C02 emissions, and even doesn't take effect until 2027. With Trump in office, it may even get reversed like the EV mandate did. Besides, Nissan's doing just fine with their naturally aspirated V6s so I don't see how Toyota was forced to do anything this year.
It's an influencer turd. Built by influencers for influencers, shiny on the outside with a lot of stupid electronics, a big slimy turd underneath the hood. Thank you for making this video! Sick of seeing all the channels shilling the new T4r smh
lol "Influencer turd" ROTFLMAO 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Lmao dude fr TRD Jon went off on me in the comment section of one of his videos when I called it that smh
Disposal. They are packaging the same thing fooling people
@@healer81 same cow 🐄, different branding
It’s either a 4runner or landcruiser 250 for me. I want a Japanese built 4x4. Fyi hear in Canada the 4Runner hype is greater than the landcruiser I live in the mountains and regardless of generation 4Runner is king it’s a part of the culture.
I’m a sales manager for a Toyota dealer. I think it’s kinda junk, but It’s the number one car we get inquiries on. They sell before they hit the lot
Of course. It's "new". Using the same platform means they will all succeed or fail...no in between. Looking at all of the Tacoma base trims that people won't even purchase at my local dealer tells me a different long term story.
They took the looks of the 4th gen and made it somehow worse. Nobody likes a 4th gen for their looks.
It does look like a 4th gen that came out of a sema show with too much on it.🙈
Thank god I got the last of the GX460; everything new on the TNGF platform except the LC 300 is just a different dress and a scam to get the consumer to pay more for less under the dress.
@@pall5114 excellent analogy 👏 👌
😂 or high heels for men!
I love my ‘22 SR5 base runner. Still only 20k miles. I really needed a passenger vehicle on a truck frame. What I have is perfect for me.
The 25 caught my attention! Drove me to begin looking at 24s!
Having had 4 Land Cruisers, an FJC, and other 4wd Toyota products over the past 3 decades, I am happy we picked up a new 5th gen Dec ‘23. Fits the attributes I cherish from Toyota. Long term durability, low upkeep, confidence. It was either that or the base 1958 as I appreciate the full time 4wd for winter driving where we live. But in the end the new engine/drivetrains was too much of an unknown. I also suspect 5th gen’s will hold value very well into the future
Where were you offroading at? That looks like a fun run!
@@veedubya4636 th-cam.com/video/DkI1Yz1yxnQ/w-d-xo.html
Best explanation of what real Toyota enthusiasts/owners are feeling about the new 4R now. All these other big auto youtubers seem so excited like its the best thing since sliced bread. Meanwhile most enthusiasts could care less. The 4 cyl ruins the experience of the 4R/Tacoma. It sounds like an old diesel tractor engine and is rough too.
the TH-cam Toyota NPC shill-bot Army is _very_ real and on a mission... 😉
Automotive engineering student here. The EPA is to blame with most vehicles becoming unreliable now a days in 2011 a car can put out 180kg of CO2/100kms now its less than half of that and oil manufacturers are also forced to remove the molybdenum that protects engines as it damages catalytic converters. Toyota got away with this by adding piston wall coating and extra oil control rings but when they wear off they start to burn oil. The viscosity of 5w30 oil vs 0w20 and 0w16 is so minimal in the thousands that manufacturers rather sell you on the 0w20 for better gas mileage when in reality is so minimal it doesn’t matter yet when your car starts to burn oil they say go thicker? The second reason and we are to blame for this customers. We live in the “look at me” generation where everyone wants to show a brand new product they got online, the cause of this lowered the life cycle of electronics, clothing products and cars. The lowest lease you can get now is 3 years! Manufacturers are then forced to keep up with demand to keep interest and end up releasing vehicles without testing everything but we do a FEA analysis in both CATIA and SOLIDWORKS. its theoretical and doesnt take consideration of climate and environment..
I got the rating wrong it was 160 g/kms in 2010 and 93.6g/kms today. Would edit but id lose the heart!
I would say from experience daily offroad in New England/Canada the new ‘Yotas are not as impervious to the elements as previous generations, but I’m an extremely small test sample. Following my GX460 into a river, my friends new 550 started taking on water through the trunk and rear door seal, something that doesn’t occur on my 460.
When we addressed the issue we noticed the seals became a bit loose from flexing over some rocks in the water and caused it to enter. Now his power trunk and seat controls are out, along with his speedometer screen.
Once again I’m a small test case and his is a 2025, but fording through water almost daily my 2020 460 has never allowed water to ingress.
Maybe they need to make the Overtrail a little more basic as my GX460’s manual barn door has never failed me.
*I always have trust in Toyotas engineers though, and I imagine they’ll address these issues
thank you for this real world feedback 🙏 🙌 ❤️ 😃... Can't prove it, but I wonder if Toyota lightened the body around the rear hatch on the 550 vs the LC300?? thus allowing for more body flex? who knows just a guess.. please keep everyone posted 🙇♂️ ... the sheetmetal on the GX460 around the important stuff is donkey thick... it's actually quite ridiculous how thick it is... wonder if those areas are "lightened" on the 550?
I'm actually cross shopping a Honda Pilot Trailsport or a used GX460.. The more I consider the new US model 4runner the less I find it desirable. Also, I have a late model Prado in the Philippines so not getting fooled by what we're getting in the US.
Ya, Toyota pretty much screwed them selves. So bad to see what they have done after loyal 4Runner and Land Cruiser owners for over 25 years🤔😔
@@bluecruiser2019 and GX and LX owners too 😢
You can tell most of the people who are interested are new Toyota owners that have no clue on what they are in for in that service department.
@@Anomize23 oh man, I really hate to see what they have done😬 Already know friends that have regretted 😔 I would love to see them turn it around. Unfortunately I think all manufacturers are going down this path.🤷♂️
people care about it, but the general prices of every model is absolute buffoonery.
I regret not buying a 4runner pre-covid when a new SR5 could be bought at low $30k
You are preaching facts! I was looking forward to buying a 4 runner but not anymore 😂
That 2025 4Rrunner looks really good tho. Thats probably the best yet least important feature about it lol
the costume factor is the whole selling point of the 4runner.. the LC300 and LC200 look conservative... the lack of refinement in 4runner is made up by over the top "aggressive looks"... so ya it will sell fast lol
All great points, I was looking forward to the more recent iterations of the Tacoma and 4runner, but have been disappointed.
My Mom still has her mall crawler 2wd 2005 4Runner running like a bank vault. I’ve owner a FI car once you need to be on point with maintenance.
Me: "i make 6 figures a year. Time for that Lexus i want."
Me in the car market: "i guess I'll be able to afford a '17 GX with 'low milage'"
ours is a '21 and "gently used" if you're interested... it's still under factory warranty... 25k miles... for sale for ten-bucks
Rock crawling in a lexus is peak consumer
4Runner too big with a terrible sounding 4 banger. Close your eyes and listen to the non hybrid 4 cylinder and you get “enterprise rental car special” Nissan Rogue.
WOW This perfectly described my test drive today and I cannot forget this description. I literally thought it sounded familiar and here it is 🙈
All of the influencers that went to San Diego to do their test drive was trying their best to talk it up. Can't get around the towing capacity either.
Well, to be fair, the 4 L V6 sounds terrible too.
@ 4 cylinder base at mid $40k? Only if it’s diesel. Full disclosure I’m only a Gen 1 or 2 Tacoma or 4Runner, GX 470 and 460 person. However I prefer Nissans since the late 80s.
@@trailrunnah8886 that V6 sounds like a V8 and it sounds very masculine.
I think you belong in an EV fan page if you think it sounds horrible because you are in the minority with that 😂
Here’s a question for you Admin, what car would you get if money was no issue? I have friends with Mercedes-Benz G550/ G63 AMG’s, Jeeps, Fords of all kinds, Lexus GX and LX’s, and more and it seems like the GX and the LX are the best bang for the buck at the moment. Sadly it seems like the reliability while still good isn’t what it used to be. And now as a buyer looking for a new car it’s like, where do you go if you want reliability and off road capability/ robustness? Is the LX700h Overtrail our saving grace? Or do you think that hybrid powertrain will also have bugs since it’s the same twin turbo V6 from the Tundra/ Sequoia fiasco?
a fantasy vehicle would be a Landcruiser 300GRS with the approach angle corrected to at least 39 degrees like on the old 1996 Rav4. In reality, a Lexus 700h OT _with_ e-kdss would do too... neither choice exists in [American] reality, so LX700hOT is the closest... if nothing fits, then simply don't buy... wait til they get it right... curious as to what the next gen Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon will be like though....
Toyota as become a shadow of itself
The new 4Runner is garbage if you ask me I'm not into smaller engines with turbos too much heat to each their own if that's what you're into knock yourself out spending 60k on something that may be worth 40K I have a third gen Tacoma with a reliable V6 and a manual transmission 4X4 I don't need anything else + i paid 40K poverty 📦 I also did the OTT tune that made a big difference I don't even think it's much lower than the new Tacoma they're like 700+ lb heavier
My 2023 GX460 looks more and more like a bargain, and it has its own custom platform unlike these TNGA copycats
Again this is just a fancy Costco Cruzer
Rav4Runner?
TNGA-F
Toyota Not Giving A F$!ck.
So happy I got last gx460 p+ last march. HAPPY.
I’ll just keep buying used 4.0L V6 Tacomas and 4Runners, and don’t forget about the 4.7L V8 4Runner.
My V8 4runner has 320k. Wish I could find another. They are super rare, so I got a GX460
Agree with your take on the full time 4WD system in the LC250. I think the 4Runner Limited trim in non hybrid is also a good value for a “family SUV” that can off road. It’s got some the frills you’ll see in unibody competitors, a bit more luxury and then that Torsen and ATRAC.
I have to agree. It's nothing but a costume or status symbol. A truck isn't really that much of a truck anymore, it's more of an SUV.
ya in 1999 on that dealer lot a base Tacoma was $9,999... a Corolla was $12,000... A truck back then meant you were a either contractor or too p00r to afford a sedan... if you wanted to offroad you got a Jeep or Landcruiser
I just want a diesel Hilux Champ with a manual transmission and a lift kit. I may even spring for a passenger side sun visor.
I though I was losing my mind when I saw the price of the current Tacoma, as I also remember Toyota compact trucks were either cheaper or the same price as a Camry, not sure about Corolla.
@czr323 sorry I meant to say "25 years" not "20" but close enough... I was there on the lots in 1999 shopping....I remember cause the _only_ vehicles under 10k were the Tacomas that had the $9,999 sticker on them... all the corollas were like $11k-13k... it was shocking to see a new [toyota] vehicle under 10k then... but we were like "oh of course... it's just a pickup truck that's why it's so cheap"... how times have changed 😆
Yeah we acquired an gx460. Good to go 🤘🏻🤘🏻
The Big T has gone totally stark raving nuts down under here in OZ too. The new 250 with rear locker costs $AUD103k.
A new base 300GX kicks off at $105k. Just reeks of super-profits from soccer mums.
The original Toyota vehicles were great, now we get toyed with this "new" lineup
inorite... totally suss and totally not sigma... and the gyatt on that 4runner zomg
I would never upgrade my 5th-Gen 4Runner for 2 of the 6th-gen for free...I would love the Lexsus GX550 OT+ and still like to keep my 5th Gen 4Runner limited.
Perfect example subarue wilderness with a cvt transmission. Name it a wilderness, put some mud tires on it, and American will believe it will go anywhere 😅
You nailed it on the head my 2008 4Runner came with a center locking differential my 2024 TRD off-road does not and it blew me away!!!!!😢
must've been the limited 2008?. Limited more or less always had full time 4wd
@ sr5
@MarkH0508 putting it in 4high or 4low is like locking the center diff. Same effect.
@ no, locking the center differential is not the same as putting it in low two different actions.
@MarkH0508 the whole point of locking the center diff is to get equal power to front and rear. That is what happens when you shift to 4high or 4 low.
The new 4Runner and Land Cruiser are redundant. They should've taken one back to basics with manual everything, solid front axle, and removable top to eat the Wrangler's lunch
I care, I will need a new 4runner in a decade.
Exactly, they should have everything sorted by then.
We all really wanted to care. I so wanted the 4runner or land cruiser to be my next car. I finally had to aknowledge that they cam close and just missed the mark.
I have a tiny thread of hope that they'll put a normal engine into the landruiser. I know it won't happen, but I can hope.
@jeremyelliott9831 we feel the same way about the GX550..... we wanted it to work... but they simply sacrificed too much vs the GX460
The picky truck costume and the suv costume come with the same underwear? I didn't know that was possible!
The 5th gen 4-Runner had terrible sales in its first couple years when it came out. Some say it was almost cancelled. But over time it recovered as its reputation was positive and it started selling well again. The new 4-Runner is a much different beast so time will tell. I think the Tacoma and Tundra issues might scare away new informed 4-Runner buyers. I agree with you that the Toyota/Lexus lineup now has too much overlap between its models in terms of pricing and value propositions.
The new 4Runner is garbage!
Thank you for saying this! I told a buddy the other day that Toyota must be paying these Journalists to hype it up, or no one will buy it.
@crazyone1067 ya, unfortunately, there's an army of yt toyota payroll NPC shill-bots on deployment out there right now selling up the new 4runner with little to no genuine criticism 😆
I love my 3.3L V6 Twin Turbo LC300 Diésel 😁
I do not see that engine being offered in North America 😭
Totally nailed it. It really is the new Malaise era. Most people don't care, they buy the brand name image. Look at modern Land Rover people🤣🤣🤣 Wayyy back in their history, the old Rover company built some of the best 4WDs ever made, Then , Toyota got in the game and did the same thing, earning and maintaining a reputation for solidly built simple reliable vehicles that did exactly what people needed them to do. Later, things got fancy, but with Toyota, the excellence was maintained. With Rover, the image from the glory days of the 1950's and 1960's kept selling vehicles long after the quality had gone away...... Now, Decades later, I'm afraid Toyota has watched all the profits that Land Rover has made selling luxury junk and sadly following that path at last..... Bummer..
Nope- doing a rebuild on a 2000 LX-470!
I was so stoked for the updated interior of the 4Runner. It was my dream SUV but the moment I found out they completely changed the engine I lost interest immediately.
I'm going to keep my 5th gen 4Runner and I'm going to nerd out because we bought our cars the same time my license plate is 8XPD I bought in July 2021 it's equipped with exactly what I need and nothing that I don't
Looks like the Honda passport is the one to get
I bought a new 4Runner TRD ORP Nov. 2023. Glad I did. I'm not a fan of the 6th Gen offerings.
Toyota has become very dependent on the lower end consumers (example, our 4th Gen Tacoma) chasing aftermarket parts to “decorate their costume”. The “all ARB everything” top tier 4th Gen Tacoma models exposed Toyota’s playbook of putting vehicles on “cost diets” … feeding directly into the (whichever six types of offroader they are) industrial complex.
Has Toyota has become a casualty of its own success?
@ Absolutely, demonstrated by poor compatibility of their own Toyota-branded accessories. We have exactly four accessories on our 4th Gen Tacoma: bed step, bed mat, bed divider, and hard tri-fold bed cover. Installation of the bed cover lowered the factory bed rail 1/2” rendering the Toyota bed divider physically impossible to use with the Toyota bed mat. It’s absolutely a “first world problem” so the divider got the boot; we would have expected far better compatibility of products all bearing the Toyota brand…but for the lower echelon TNGA platforms Toyota has farmed out production to companies like Bakflip who are left unchecked when it comes to Toyota brand accessory compatibility.
(We have to be sure to secure our possessions while stopping at Starbucks in the city on the way to the cubicle!)
I think their tour of teslas factory is what’s shaping how they are gonna produce cars in the future unfortunately
@@Shark-Tacos how so? elaborate... 🙏
I think they are putting so many vehicles on shared platform in order to do something similar to teslas “unboxed manufacturing”. I think it’s more focused on their EV line up but who’s to say it won’t be for all? Just my opinion.
40 years ago the 4Runner came with a 2.4 liter turbo 4 for $12k or $35 adjusted for inflation. 140 horsepower and not reliable.
Simply too expensive at most trims. The base sr5 has no sun roof, 4x4 is option , low air dam and limited colors. I don’t know.
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You see the way you off-road that GX in the beginning of the video. I bet you can't do that on the new 4Runner without something breaking.
I have owned two 5th gen 4Runners from around 2012 to 2023, and now have a GX550 OT+. I am not even looking at the 6th gen 4Runner, or Prado. As a Japanese living in North America since 2007, the 5th gen was the only North American market 4x4 I trusted to use for my offroad adventure needs. I'm not looking for a turbo 4 cylinder hybrid, with no front bumpstops in a heavy body-on-frame vehicle, especially that uses a fullsize heavy platform. Also, I think the 6th gen is ugly and looks too American... Oh wait.. Toyota USA designed it lol. I'll use the GX550 for 2 or 3 years, then I am going to import a classic Toyota Land Cruiser. The GX550 interior has not met my expectations.
It looks like smaller Sequoia. Both ugly. Wish we could get LC 70ser.
Bottom line is all vehicle costs have gone up. It’s not really the manufacturer but the current market.
Nah. This is America. People will buy the SR5 with a MSRP in the 40s. Honda passport trail sport won’t out wheel the 4R and some people want a solid roof over their heads
What this makes me think is for the price I am not going to feel bad buying the 2025 GX550 Overtrail. I know the interior isn't the same as the 460 but I think for the money it's the best I can do on this new platform. I'm not really interested in the LX. They need to put the LX interior into the 550 and then they would have something.
we are toyoya nerds splitting toyota-hairs here.... honestly, they're all Toyotas and you'll be happy with whatever you chose so long as it makes you feel happy. Enjoy your new 550 and thank you for your continued support of the channel 😀 🙏 ❤️ 🙇♂️
No. I care about keeping my 98 4runner running strong.
Can't buy an expensive SUV with a 4 cyl. Just nope. Will buy used V8s until battery tech (or something else) is where it needs to be.
💯 agree with you. Great video!
Appreciate you! 🙏
I just went to test drive a the new gen SR5, looked great in person, but wanted hypothetical numbers on a TRD Sport Prem. W/ 2500 down on a 3 yr lease - $1132, pass!
What about the new Toyota Sequoia? because now entering the new Armada...
Toyota Bean counters 😂 !
I really hope that true Toyota loyalists look away from these vehicles. Toyota has turned greedy, its easy to see when you see stuff like this or their apparent lapse of quality control over the last 5 years. I paid Toyota tax in the past, for Toyota durability and reliability. If Toyota isnt that anymore, why would i pay outrageous Toyota tax on a car that no longer holds that quality that attracted consumers to them in the first place? At this point if i needed a truck, I'd go towards Nissan who still offers a N/A powertrain. If i needed a car/SUV, id go towards mazda which has made big strides in reliability over the last decade. Toyota, has gotten comfortable. I don't support their lack of ambition to continue to be the best in terms of reliability.
From the side it looks like a 97 Chevy blazer, rip out that fugly tablet and put a real engine in it.
I’ll keep my gx470.
If the 300 is a solid turd then the 250 is a soft turd, then by the time yoi get to the 4R is diareaha
I’ll keep my 5th Gen
The top 6th Gen trims are what scarring people price-wise. A 2024 TRD OR Premium was selling for around $51-52K. The 6th Gen TRD OR Premium is $55K, but it has more power, more gears, up-to-date interior and tech, and more refined offroad goodies (quiet ATRAC and CRAWL). It is better than the 5th Gen in every way, save for the unproven turbo-4. The 2025 TRD Pro, for example, blows the 5th Gen TRD Pro out of the water in terms of power, amenities, comfort, etc.; so yeah, it will cost you. Is the new Pro worth $10K more than the old Pro? I dunno.
Like it or not it’s gonna sell like hot cakes cos of the marketing hype
true
My 2019 TRDPro 4Runner is still a tank. Got it second hand in 2020 with 30k on the dash for $40k at the time (a ton for me) but WELL WORTH IT!
Looking to get a 2022/2023 LC200 or GX.
I love your focus on psychology! It's the microtransaction "legendary armor" for driving around town... but it costs a TON!
Pure greed by toyota. All of the tooling investements for the tahara plant broke even within the first couple years of the 5th gen 4runner production. Essentially guaranteed profit for 10 years. Total middle finger to everyone
It's the cold, hard reality of business... 💸
4cyl turbo for $75k OTD...I don't think so.
Sad and true about people just wanting perceived ruggedness. Most people just want the snorkel, roof rack, angry lights, and are willing to pay the massive markup for all those cheapy psuedo offroad attatchments contributing to toyotas incentive to make crummier platforms for trucks. But fanboys will still buy these trucks with poor offroad numbers (ground clearance, articulation) and say "they're 99% as capable as jeeps and will last 1000x longer" just making the market worse for _ALL_ truck makers not just toyota, because of lack of competition from having such a low bar of standards. People have been reduced to thinking toyota badge equals reliability and accessories equal offroad prowess. I really want to see better from toyota even though I'll never buy one anyway.
yep it's all a facade... the juvenile angry-face "grills" on nearly all cars in the past 15 years speak of the overall insecurity of the average buyer/debt-slave... the GX460 has that silly grille too of course... it's all an attempt to make the oppressed wage-slave feel more in control on the way to and fro' the cube each day. sad...
If I'm going to pay luxury prices, I'm going to buy a luxury car. Checked out Lexus GX550, and hard pass. Interior feels cheap like a Nissan Rogue rental car. Doors feel light and tinny. Sequoia's cargo area is fatally flawed. Nah, moving on...