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- Prostitution is legal in Germany. But not everyone thinks that’s a good thing. Some women’s rights activists say Germany has become “Europe’s brothel.” Oftentimes, sex workers and sex buyers come from abroad. Should Germany follow the Swedish model and make buying sex a crime? #DWstories
Chapters
00:00: Intro
00:53: Germany: 'Europe’s brothel’?
02:27 : Survivor of human trafficking
05:45 Sweden’s solution
12:32: A proud sex worker
13:53: Conclusion
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"Some crimes are easier to explain than others. If you've been drunk, got in a fight where you hit someone. Everyone can relate to that and understand that. But buying sex . . . it's a shameful crime." - Oh yeah, getting drunk and physically assaulting someone is totally understandable. EVERYONE can relate. But two consenting adults exchanging money for sex? Shameful!.
Bruv DW is just fn crazy
Whoever says buying sex is shameful is projecting. Plenty of people buy and sell sex without shame as it's up to consenting adults to decide for themselves.
That whole "oh yeah, I mean, we all get drunk and physically assault random people on the street, right?" mindset is mental.
this is the culture of the times that we live in. sex is still very taboo in many ways
NO, the trade needs to be regulated, sex workers need to be protected AND they should pay taxes.
If the sex trade was regulated, human trafficking would not be so prevalent !
What consenting adults do, in private, should not be criminalized and is not anybody's business, but the people involved.
Besides, if you can pay for a massage, why can't u pay for sex when it comes to two(or more) consenting adults as part of a transaction ?
We live in the 21st century yo and as for me, personally, Im on the side of freedom.
Exactly
Thanks for your input. Finally a comment where I can agree with every word.
Exactly! And that's how are dutch system works. Prostitutes need to register as an one person company and they need to pay tax.
Doesn't mean there isn't illegal sex work going on of course, but then it's a different crime of tax evasion or human trafficking. Those things should be stopped.
So weird, in the swedish example the women was not forced, she chose to do it because she needed the money. She can continue whatever she is doing and even keep the money. Her customer gets punished for taking her offer and paying for a consensual interaction.
Yeah, that just seems a bit wrong.
Crazy
They basically penalize men. Matriarchy
as if drug dealers were let go safely with the money and their customers detained lol
Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense. Like a tax on being an incel.
Why does this documentary conflate human trafficking with sex work? They are two completely different things! Trafficking should be a crime, but not sex work.
Because they are that corrupt and dishonest.
They aren't as mutually-exclusive as you portray it.
selling sex and buy sex are crimes, religiously
Why does this documentary confuse human trafficking with sex work? They are two completely different things! Human trafficking should be a crime, but not sex work.
The thing is like any other industry, you need to regulate sex industry. Not outright ban it.
Precisely, and making it illegal doesn't even prevent it.
Cuz so much is human trafficking I suppose. I get your point though
Exactly, slave labor takes many forms.
They're doing it on purpose because that's how they always create hysteria around sex work
Instead of doing a video against prostitution, DW should have made one against the smugglers who are abusing the African woman, and help to put those criminals in jail. It's full of hypocrisy...
I would like to see them be fair and do one about hiring a construction worker.
Where are they speaking out against prostitution? I think they highlighted both sides quite well. And they are merely asking the question IF it should be legal or not.
Buying sex should not being a crime so long as both parties are older than 18 and consenting.
Criminalizing the purchase of sex just drives it underground making it that much more dangerous for sex workers.
Sex workers have always advocated for the full decriminalization of sex work.
Also if you can live with same sex marriage and abortion. You can live with people paying for sex. Otherwise just admit you don't stand for freedom.
So if I force a woman to sell sex under threats, that counts as consenting to you? Do you think all "sex workers" are selling sex because they want to? You are naive.
Many people working normal jobs because they have to.
The key word is consenting adults.
@@321findus That's sexual exploitation something sex workers do not want. Also let it be known that Sweden also criminalizes sex workers be deporting them or rendering them homeless by seizing their assets. So, miss me with the Nordic model.
@@321findus The threats are a crime (assault) and taking money from a person is a crime of stealing. Why should sex be a crime if it was consensual?
Sex work, like recreational drug use is impossible to stop, so your best option for users and suppliers is to provide a safe and healthy framework for it to exist in. Besides how do you define sex work? Is a prostitute walking the streets any different from say a woman who has sex with her partner when she doesn’t want to but uses that sex to her financial advantage?
Exactly.
Seriously, you can give someone money, and that's not a crime. You can have consensual sex, and that's not a crime. But if you do both as part of the same transaction, that's a crime? Lunacy.
The law is all about timing, really xD
Its not a crime. Prostituion is the oldest job. The fact that its illegal is the reason sex trafficing exist. The victim in the story is not even from the country where its legal. So how can you injustify prostituion by interviewing a women who was sex traffic from a country where it is illegal.
Take a look at the declining marriage and birth figures before you open your big mouth.
Because you can't know if it really is consensual. If the woman you're buying sex from is controlled by people that threaten to hurt her family unless she sells sex, does that really mean she's consenting?
@@321findusso you don't care about the many women who want to sell sex for money? Do you want to take away their means of making a living?
Brothels and outcall services should stay legal. This is between consenting adults. If it's criminalized, then it will become like the US where criminals take over the trade. It becomes a human rights disaster.
You actually think criminals haven't already taken over this?
Yes, it’s awful here in the US.
@@noellewest4347 How can you "take over" the market for something that about 50% of the population are born with the means to sell if they want? Besides, when something become legal criminals always fold, because they simply can't compete with true professionals, neither in price or quality.
@@noellewest4347 criminals are in every industry, it's just a matter of to what extent.
The Swedish model infantilizes women. It is based on the patronizing idea that adult women don't possess the free will to decide for themselves
This is why it’s so hard for women to hold themselves accountable for their actions. It’s because men told them they can’t lead themselves.
Sometimes models try to teach you something, but some people are dumb enough to think that they're not free.
Many people are more free than they've ever been in previous years, but at the cost of what? Mentality, money, drug abuse?
Do you even know how much sex workers don't even know how to talk to a normally to people after doing this?
So, men are allowed to sell sex? Otherwise your point really don't make sense. Was prohibition for instance, also a "gender discriminating law" against men, cause men did most the drinking and the women didn't want to sit home alone while their husbands enjoyed themselves at the bar..? When i think about it, you might actually be on to something here😂
Abuse is a crime, not sex
Take a look at the declining marriage and birth statistics before you know better.
@@s.m.1354 "before you know better"???? Find a better translator because yours isn't working very well
Same thing when it is outside of true marriage between one adult man and one adult woman.
@@s.m.1354the cause of declining marriage and fertility rate is women empowerment, not sex workers. Most women today prefer their career progression rather than marriage and family
Absolutely
Every sex worker organization in the world opposes the Swedish model. Because of the harm it causes them. Stop pushing it.
cheaper than getting divorce, should be legal.
So why not legalize it, have establishments with cetified credentials and health codes, taxable incomes and health care.
While at the same time have public servants do random checks on sex workers, if they dont have certifications they get arrested, and then if they are being forced, assistance can be provided and criminal punishments to sex traffickers.
Why punish sex workers who are willing to abid by health and standards of a business and pay taxes? Society can do both, we already do this with restaurants, we expect a restaurant to have a license and we prosecute and shut down ones that don't until they do.
How is this different?
Following their logic they should treat drug dealers as witnesses, and drug addicts as criminals.
Good point.
It is an interesting point, but I think it's not a good analogy. Because the level of addiction from drugs is high. Moreover, the women in the prostitution are mostly victims of Patriarchy system
@@neneklampir6664 No, they are not. Just want to make money as easy as possible, that's it.
It only took 12 minutes on the full 15 and three or four focus on the cop before we could have the comments from a sex worker that wasn't trafficked or in a precarious societal position. Oh and they were only given a minute and a half. Way to steer the conversation there.
So you can sell (insert a commodity), but you're a criminal if you ask to buy (that same commodity).
Example: you can offer to sell cigarettes, but the buyer goes to jail. I honestly expected more from Swedes! Sad!
Everyone pays for sex, one way or another.. 😂
You do have a point there. There is a reason women tend to prefer rich men.
Tinder😂
Every man you meant.
@@Uncommonsensetooyou mean money is an aphrodisiac?
@@fromhigherground4272 Perhaps to women ;-) At least they expect to be "spoiled" as payment.
Swedish model is akin to religious police model.
should be legal, just make it safe, health checks etc
It’s insane that mutual consensual sex for profit is illegal. Also, it’s not only women who prostitute themselves… men do so to.
Why is prostitution illegal? I am serious. I asked the same question and had no answer. Instead, I almost got kicked out of school. It was 53 years ago. Hope someone answers.
So they have an excuse to put more Men in prison.
Prostitution is the oldest business. It was always there and it will continue to do so as long as there are people.
Outlawing it didn’t work in the past and it made things only worse, especially for the women in that business.
Sorry yo say, but the Swedish model isn't working, the girls lives under even poorer conditions now, and is often hidden away from the light of the day
Same in Norway. And the sex worker associations are vehemently opposed to the bans, as they make things dangerous for everyone involved. We should listen to them, rather than moralists.
no, but selling sex without a licence and regular health testing should ;-) It should be legal and regulated in order to protect sex workers, customers, and raise taxes from it.
And shouldn't be widely advertised either. Having adverts in public places should be illegal.
@@skycloud4802 why?
@@zufex2029 not appropriate for children.
@@skycloud4802 but if there was a place, where children are not allowed to go, it would be ok? And, btw, why is sex advertisement inappropriate for children? I never understood that.
People should have their freedom to live their lives.
Make it legal, protect them from murder and abuse.
Why there’s only women legs in this photos and video, there’s also men doing sex transaction for wealthy people, that’s not a “crime” to them?
So based on this "swedish model", are drug sellers also afforded the same privilege of social workers offering them help after they've sold drugs? No? Why not? Drugs are just as harmful as STDs.
Selling sex isn't selling STDs, it is selling sex. Regulation (like with pharmaceuticals, food, and other things) is what ensures regular testing and clear labeling based on that testing.
And no, not all drugs are as harmful as all STDs. I just took an aspirin earlier today. My buddy took a hit of pot yesterday after a long shift at work to help him calm down so he could sleep. The primary danger of drugs is not that 'they are drugs', it is when they are not regulated, tested and labeled based on their content, and proper education is not provided to consumers. There are some exceptions, some drugs that are too dangerous for human consumption (poisons, those that are ridiculously addictive, etc) but the way you are able to fence those specific ones in is... say it with me... regulation of the market instead of bans (or such restrictive rules that they are effectively overall bans).
No. Abuse should be a crime, and the two should not be confused.
sex workers should get the same rights as any other worker, never mind the moral garbage
Prostitution = Abuse
I don't understand how Sweden persecutes the ones who buy it but doesn't persecute the ones who sell it. That makes no sense. Imagine using the same approach to substances. Ridiculous.
The thought is that the victim should not be punished.
The thought is that the sex-seller is the victim, kinda like a drug-addict is a victim of their addiction.
While a drug-seller is doing harm by distributing drugs, and a sex-buyer is doing harm by "using" the sex-seller.
Not saying I agree, but that is the thought process behind the law
@@Spacemongerr The real thought behind the law is just misandry.
@@3x157 Only in case that women are forced to do it - in that case they are victims. The if they are not forced they are as guilty as the one who buys it. So it doesn't make any sense
@Spacemongerr - Because the prostitute is addicted to money and therefore a "victim"? Or what is supposed to be the equivalent?
@andreme7326 - In Germany it is estimated that less than 5% of all prostitutes are doing it under duress. Thus more than 95% of all prostitutes are doing it by choice.
no. next!
fine, i'll elaborate. as long as it's a consensual transaction between two (or more) adults, then no, buying or selling sex shouldn't be a crime. sooooo.... next!
So are gigolos also considered victims and decriminalized in oh so righteous Sweden?
I don't pay for sex. However, if the decision is made by a woman on her own volition... looks like a business transaction to me. In the case of human trafficking, those people need intervention, rescue and the full hammer of the law on the repressors.
I agree 👍💯 They merged the two into 1 crime.
Good points.
This "Swedish model" is pure entrapment and highly immoral. If you need to criminalize prostitution you shouldn't be allowed to sell either and the same (or even stricter) rules should apply. The seller is enabling, enticing and initiating the crime in most cases.
Of course prostitution shouldn't be illegal. Because of prostitution, fewer women get raped by sexually frustrated men and it's unfair to the disabled and the elderly, who often have no choice but to visit a prostitute. Also, I'm reminded of a quote by George Carlin: "Why is it illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away?”
Sweden has a gang problem. If it focused more on that, surely the sex industry could be more open and regulated.
NZ: Here it was legalised. They must register and pay taxes as any other. It helps with health and welfare. Registered businesses quickly spot illegal operations. (Any worker in any industry prefers a safe working environment). Our police have stopped pretending to be prostitutes (entrapment). It is still illegal to solicit people for sex. Our worst exploitation has been of foreign workers in building and agriculture - which the govt is attempting to counter.
Only occurs bc entitled NZ folk don't want to work in building or agriculture
Small clarification: There is no need to register as a sex worker the main requirements are to do with public health. Condoms must be used. Sex workers must be over 18 and must be a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident. These last rules ensure that trafficking for sex work is illegal. It should be noted that the Prostitutes Collective that advocates for prostitutes helped draft the legislation.
Sex is a human need, like food and water, if you don't have social skill or finance to maintain it, buying when needed is the only way.
using hands and tools is safer and cheaper
It is not a need like food or water, you need those to survive. You don't need sex to survive
@@Spacemongerr Food and water are essential for the directly survivability of the indivudual. One could argue that sex to some extend could have some impact, as performing sex seem to carry several health benefits (physical and psycological) which could prolong life. But as far as ones genes are concerned sex is essential for reproduction and thus the survival of one's genes.
@@larsrons7937 monks and nuns live happily whithout sex.
@@xiaoge-uk4hk Often they do, yes. Not always. We remember the scandal three decades ago when it was discovered how Italians nuns and monks had frequent sex parties in their monestaries, visiting eachother in secret using an old hidden tunnel between the two monestaries.
My argument though was mainly that sex between man and woman is from nature's side is necessary for reproduction, though a few women throughout history has used a god as substitution.
What is yours to give away, is also yours to sell if you feel like it. it's your body. it's a victimless crime when both are consenting adults. regulate it, and legalize it.
It seems most sex is sex for money one way or the other and just different forms of "prostitution", at least here in the US. Women expect to be spoiled which is basically payment for sex. There is a reason women tend to prefer "successful" rich men. Shouldn't these "sugar daddy sugar baby relationships" also be illegal?
Buying underage should be extremely illegal but as an adult is should be legal. Sure it’s shameful but it shouldn’t be illegal there are lots of shameful jobs in life that doesn’t make them illegal just cause we have a stigma against it. But As with everything the system and law will always be gamed.
People need sex. Some folks find it impossible to get sex via traditional relationships.
Folks are unmarried or are trapped in sexless marriages.
Rediculous, it's legal in Australia and no big deal. Sweden is going down the toilet. 😂😂
I live in neighboring Norway, and "Swedish conditions" mean a kind of society we don't want - not that prostitution is legal here either.
I Simply Don't Know Why Buying Sex is A Crime As Long As the Other Party Is Willing To Do? Seriously Why???
Because sellers need protection, not the buyers.
So they can destroy innocent Men's lives.
@@jilllingoff3947 the men are not innocent if they wanted to buy their bodies for sex in the first place. The risk should be always on the buyer when they pay for something unethical. Otherwise people could just keep selling themselves into slavery.
_"Consorting with prostitutes was forbidden, of course, but it was one of those rules that you could occasionally nerve yourself to break. It was dangerous, but it was not a life-and-death matter. To be caught with a prostitute might mean five years in a forced-labour camp: not more, if you had committed no other offence. And it was easy enough, provided that you could avoid being caught in the act."_ - *George Orwell, "1984"*
Excellent quotation.
In ten years or so, eating beef will be the crime.
Nope. Sex workers should definitely be protected and served on top of being allowed to perform this job
absolutely, AND they should pay taxes too
@@SeArCh4DrEaMz yes, of course
swedes are nuts
Thanks DW for bringing this up. I'm really shocked with how this issue is handled... Especially in Scandinavia
Both of these models are ridiculous. Also the fact that they help the vulnerable woman AFTER the "crime" has been committed feels so perverse, as if she's some bait for the "criminal". If sex work was less stigmatized and regulated it would not be out of desperation but rather a normal job.
Yeah now in the same way that there's bait cars for carjackers, there are also women serving as bait for sex. Insane.
If buying sex is crime, then no husband should gift anything to his wife. Everybody expects something from theire relationships. If that expection is not met, then we move towards breakup.
Get ready for all the "true love is unconditional" BS you'll be getting from these hypocrites.
Too many are totally immature towards marriage and really ought to avoid it.
No! Its so Puritanical to arrest full grown people over sex.
What's the difference with buying sex and offering her a couple of drinks and hooking up? What's the difference with offering her money for sex and offering a home for the rest of her life and paying for her needs for the rest of her life like in a marriage scenario or other woman scenario
Please rename this video to "Should buying sex from a woman be a crime?" men sell sex too, I have several male friends who do this and they do it because they enjoy it. Furthermore, porn is buying sex, and it's a huge industry with many people, male & female, involved because they enjoy it. Abuse is wrong, paying for abuse should be illegal, but if people want to sell sex for money and they enjoy it, there's nothing wrong with that. If they can control the price, who they will/won't have as a client and what is performed, if they get to keep all of the money, can perform these services in safe, clean environments, then there's no problem. What you documented here is rape and buying rape. Rape is not sex, it is violence.
I could not agree more, the title is wrong and confusing. And ofc selling/buying sex should be legal just like getting a back massage is legal. Abuse is abuse, and that is something else.
It should be legal, however we must be sure that sex workers are protected! By law, no dark underbelly or mafia pocketing the proceeds or forcing anyone. Also there should be social funding so people dont get trapped in that lifestyle out of desperation
Men in Sweden must be really desperate if that woman had paying customers.
She is attractive to men 60++ yo
@@HuyHoanghouston If her customers are 60+ years old, and she's consenting adult, then I'd say she's more likely providing a public health service by getting elderly men to exercise.
The calibre of women aren't great these days to be fair.
@@Michael-du2fv 🤣
Right On !
I see the problem with enforcement. No means no and yes means yes, that should be enforced. What confuses me is why people can be forced into it in Germany. The sex workers doing it willingly have no criminals behind them.
There are brothels in Germany where sex workers can rent rooms, these come with security and a panic button. Clients have to get past the door, pay an entrance fee, troublemakers and criminals cannot get in, and then they have to take a shower and change into a robe. Then there is an area where buyers and sellers can meet and negotiate, and buyers only have a robe, a wallet, and a key to the locker where the rest of their stuff is.
I see no problem with that. The way it is supposed to work is that there is no reluctance or hesitation for any side to get the police involved if a situation calls for it. If someone is forced into it, that is illegal, and with everyone on the legal side of it cooperating, it shpuld be easy to identify and fight the illegal stuff. A picture went viral made in front of a high-end brothel in Munich during the Munich Security Conference, there were police cars and buses parked all around the place. It looked like they raided the place, but forgot to turn on the sirens and lights, and it was easy to confirm that there was no official police stuff going on anywhere near that address at the time. Lets say if something bad should happen at one of these places, the officers will have no trouble navigating the place.
DW's radical feminism at work.
Exactly!!
Seriously… only the man gets criminalized for something both he and the woman did. They don’t want to go after the sellers, only the buyers smh. Feminism fighting hard against men
@@francotheafrican7550 Typically Sweden. It is also much more convenient for the police going after peaceful men than gang members causing mayhem elsewhere in the country.
@@francotheafrican7550that's in Sweden that isn't the DW idea. What's up with people here thing DW is for or against sex work? Smh
They gona sell their body whether or not is it "legal" look at thailand and philippines. Prostitution is not legal but why so many bar grils. I live in new zealand Prostitution is legal but we never have problems with Prostitution and is probably down... If you gona charge someone in prostitution, you need charge the women not the men...
No! open and regulated
No! Closed and Criminalised
@@Asgoga We have onlyfans already, there is a thriwing market amongst young women who sell pics for a price or videos on most common chatplatforms,it wouldn´that much different from that as long as the whole system was regulated and superwised, it would most likely make several social problems far less than they are now. Still i wouldn´t remove the societal shaming and humiliation of the people who normal people see as lesser stalk or as coomers, but it would reduce stress..
Yes. Regulated in every country.
Open & regulated is the biggest joke i've heard in europe :D :D
That was a quick comment. Then I noticed your username. Anyway, I agree.
If it is properly managed and regulated and the people do it without being forced or trafficked then if that is their decision why not allow them to do it?
So how is this fair? Women who are not forced into sex work in Sweden gets to keep the money and no prosecution but the man who may be going through a crisis of his own buys it and he is prosecuted. Simply unfair, it should be noted that, women forced into sex work should be protected however, those tipsy birds hmm i reste my case. This further shows the weird nature of some laws in these countries and some sort of discrimination towards men in crisis.
No way, legalize
I feel it’s the same as sports players selling their physical skills to whoever is willing to pay for their services, one just play with soccer, rugby or tennis balls where the other plays with your balls.
Sports players train years & most of them go to sport schools & universities to be able to even learn the basic strategies & play in teams. You're either joking or have never seen the sex worker business under the hood :D :D :D
@@wizaaeed Nope you’re right I never seen the sex work business under the hood but I’d imagine they train just as hard if not harder.. I was a bit sarcastic but still they both using their bodies to earn a living, so what I said is still true.
@@silvertongue3003 and is there a difference between forcing someone to play soccer vs sex work?
@@zufex2029 the article wasn’t about forcing anyone to do anything, and making it illegal forces it underground which will immediately attach a criminal element to it. It’s like saying girls get graped because they wear revealing clothes, so let’s make revealing clothes illegal.
@@silvertongue3003 ok, I get your point now, and agree with you. However, what do you think about my question?
It should be legal if it's between two (or more) consenting adults.
Trafficking is crime, not the paying and buying process with consent
There is no practical difference for many.
Maybe Sweden should do something against illegal immigration and gang violence
The Swedish police are terrified of them. It is easier to go after peaceful men for orwellian crimes.
Whatever happened to consenting adults?
Between consenting adults.. no way. When one is not a willing participant.. yeah, that's a crime on whoever is forcing this person to participate.
Sex has been selling since the beginning of time and always will.
So you're thinking that just because we've been killing each other since the "beginning of time" (whatever limited definition you've of that in your psyche), we should keep killing each other now & always in the future?
Not that i'm decided anything about prostitution, just noticed flaw in the thought you shared.
As others have pointed out - prostitution is not the same as human trafficking. Those are two entirely different issues, and it only takes 2:20 for this video to conflate the two. Human trafficking is a form of SLAVERY, regardless of the type of work the worker is goig nto do, sex or otherwise. If sex work is legal in Germany, or wherever, you have to step up the fight against SLAVERS.
Because of the abuse of women. It should always be illegal.
Women should be prosecuted for selling sex too.
Abuse IS illegal
@@metoo3318 if you are selling sex, are you being abused?
Why no punishment for those women selling???? 😮😮
Because they will not sell if there is no customer .. .
@@Irilia_neko Customers cannot buy if there are no providers.
@@PLuMUK54 I'm sorry you don't understand how it works.
The basic thought is that the victim should not be punished. Which makes sense.
Then the thought is that the sex-seller is automatically the victim.
And that the sex-buyer is automatically doing harm by "using" the sex-seller.
Not saying I agree, but that is the thought process behind the law
@@Irilia_neko
With a basic understanding of economics, he totally gets it. If you can't sell something people can't buy it just like if you can't buy something people can't sell it. Economics 101.
I`d say it is not a crime. Feeling sexual needs is natural as human beings and when there`s no partners to do that together for some reasons, I am afraid that`s when some people try sexual assault.
The oldest profession in the world. If people want to sell their bodies then that’s entirely up to them
Neither selling, nor buying sex is shamefull.
So the woman in Sweden, who gave her consent to being paid for sex, then also gets to keep the money while being treated as a witness, but the man who did exactly the same is convicted? If it is illegal to pay for sex but not illegal to get paid for sex, then that just sounds like a divorce trial without the marriage for the man.
This is silly.
There are many people who can't get sex the usual way and who rely on sex workers to get some affection.
Sometimes even psychological healing....
This story mixes human trafficing with sex work.
Hurt the trafficers, not the people who need some affection and mean well with sex workers
What the heck has the government to do with all this? Sweden is like a Soviet state.
Safe and regulated. Not a fan of nordic model because, it takes the stigma and criminalization off the woman but keeps the stigma and criminalization on the men. You either criminalize consensual sex or you don't at all. They also, need to do the same for male sex workers which is usually ignored entirely. Australia, is a good model for legal prostitution criminalizing sex work is like saying humans never have or want sexual relations. There is a difference between human trafficking and safe regulated sex work. People should be less stingy with sex or sexuality it's not 1800s anymore.
This I have to somewhat agree with. Though I support the Nordic model over legalisation (Australia/Germany) or criminalisation (the US), I think that Sweden and other countries using this approach need to pay closer attention to how this can disproportionately and unfairly impact men. Men (and likely some women as well) who truly have no choice but to pay for sex can become victimised by this Nordic model. I don't know what a good solution would be, but oversimplifying this to a form of exploitation perpetrated mostly on women by men is not a good idea. And when it comes to adults with disabilities (particularly intellectual disabilities), some research has shown that men are equally at-risk of exploitation in sex work as women.
There's still stigma on women in Sweden. Your mental health is automatically put into question and you are seen as a mindless victim.
Being a pimp should be.
Being a pimp is. At least in Germany.
Hilarious the new Swedish ‘model’.
It's hardly new. It's been around since 1999.
Yeah it has been used in a few countries for 20+ years
And Sweden has the highest grape rate in the world now because of it.
@@jilllingoff3947 grape rate?
@@noellewest4347 Their imported "Swedes" really like grapes.
But human trafficking is not buying sex
You all are missing the point here: 1) people who suggest to regulate the sex market can see what happened to Germany : Germany regulate the prostitution but it is no use, the sex trafficking is going horrible , no sign of getting better 2) its not only a topic about freedom, it is about human dignity! It should not be allowed for example to sell organs to other people because the body is not for sell and if we can sell everything then the rich people can finally do whatever they want! Same here , human body should not be there for sell!
Same for lifetime. Life is not for be sold as work.
This is a curious video , consenting adults should be able to do what they want if they aren't hurting anyone. I highlly doubt that in sweden there arent vast criminals organisations using sex work and using and abusing human beings because it is ilegal.
Should be legal but heavily regulated so both clients and employees are save from dangers and abuse
Making this illegal isn't gonna help much. The entire busines will just go underground and further fund criminiality
Also isn't the grape situation in Sweden really high? Gotta wonder why 🤷
@@piellamp Yes it is and it's at LEAST 6 times higher than it is in germany. And sweeden had had thier beloved sweedish model for over 20 years.
The model in New Zealand is the best. It's legal and treated like any other work here. There's a sex workers union and the law protects people who engage in the work.
Wouldnt be such a crime if the taxes are paid. Then there is no problem
Exactly. Should make it legal like in Australia. Protects the women, removes pimps and the government benefits too..
Even if prostitution was never completely voluntary, there would be no reason to criminally charge anyone for the prostitution itself. Legal prostitution is not the problem, coerced prostitution is. Claiming the opposite is like saying that all sex is rape, all labor is slavery, and a cash withdrawal is robbery. If there is always coercion at play, fine: end the coercion and there will be no prostitution. For in case the prostitute were unable to prove there was no full consent, you could require the client that there was.
This approach would be much more efficient in actually protecting women. And yes, many clients come from abroad because it's legal, but that's more of a nationalist argument than a feminist one. Many of those people would still do it in their own country, where the women do it in far worse conditions.
It should be treated as just another profession as long as the women are doing it freely and are not being forced by some criminals or pimps to do it. Legalising will also help the women do their job with respect. Governments should make nuanced laws to regulate it and ensure criminal elements cannot take advantage of anyone and no one is forced to do things they don’t want to. Since it requires a lot of policing and hard work they just want to ban it knowing well that it will make the jobs of criminals easier and life of sex workers harder.
People that support the Nordic model are hypocritical. Just come out and say you don't trust women making choices with their own body, their own money, their own work.
Buying sex is a crime, but selling no!?!😂😂😅 what a joke
Man paying for dinner and drinks should be illegal as well.
Sweden is against cannabis too. I don't call that a liberal country.
If you pay for dinner on a date, you're the problem.
11:20 “We can’t Talk about equality” how? 😂😂😂 you arrest the buyer but not the seller? What a joke
Should marrying rich people should be a crime? It’s just a difference in price.
Sweden is close to Germany. If you cannot smoke in one place, go to next place.
I dont understand the cross reference Trafficking vs. legal prostitution with tax paying sex workers in safe and protected by LAW .
14:30 “i feel more for the girl…” talk about equality!! Ridiculous
So sweden busts a man paying for sex with a Swedish woman that sells sex because she needs to pay a tax debt that, according to her, was not her fault.
Clearly she doesn't like to do so but she sees no other way.
The police take away her means to make extra money fast to pay off that tax debt, and sends a social worker to help her get out.
And then what? I'm sure they won't take away her tax debt. That still needs to be paid even though it's not her fault. Now she will need to be in debt for the rest of her life?
Live in poverty to get it paid?
Live isn't always fun, sometimes you need to do things that aren't great. Sure human trafficking should be stopped but that's a different crime altogether.
Let women decide what they want to do with their own bodies.