Fixing the Valve Index's biggest problem
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I had the leather cover for my old CV1 and I am glad, that VR Cover finaly got the leather covers for the Valve Index as well. I really enjoyed them on my CV1, so I bought them via your affiliate link for my Index. Thanks for your great videos. You are my favourite TH-camr regarding all VR. Much love from Austria! :)
I posted a comment separate to this, but more people might read it here as a reply. You can use a UV light bulb to disinfect surfaces, it will work on fabrics, woods, plastics pretty much any surface. You just need to get a UV bulb and put it into a lamp that directs the light in one direction and leave it in the light for a couple hours. Make sure that you place the object you want to clean with UV light on a garbage bag or something dark colored like a towel or something, as UV light can make whites brighter, and it can also change the color of counter tops. So make sure the face cover is placed on top of something else first. here is a link if anyone is curious to do some more research! www.howtocleanstuff.net/how-to-clean-with-uv-light/
Thrill, honestly I can't thank you enough for this channel. I have learned so much and your channel has not only grown my knowledge and passion for VR but also allowed me to have the confidence and courage to start my own small business. My Index is arriving tomorrow and I went back to this video out of my way to ensure I was using your affiliate link for the purchase.
From the bottom of my heart thanks for all you do, honestly I can say 100% that if it wasn't for this channel, I wouldn't of had the push I needed to step out of my comfort zone and change my life and share the joy and wonder of VR with my friends, family, and soon my community.
What is the outro song for this video? its sick
"This is NOT a sponsored video...Here is my affiliate link..."
Is this some sort of rich joke I’m to poor to understand
Duct tape
Probably... 😔
i have to force my glasses in this headset, it sucks
@@mastersergant1287 You can buy prescription inserts for the Index to match your glasses prescription so that way you can play without wearing glasses.
@@mastersergant1287 Or wear contacts... literally 4 hours in VR wearing contacts and I had no issue at all
Well one option could help considering most of the sweat comes from the forehead,
looks like the ol 80's headband is going to have to make a comeback.
Sounds crazy, but surprisingly sensible.
YMMV with headband, i have a massive noggin so it'd never fit comfortably under the HMD. try a bandanna, they work for me
lol
The comment is fine, but the profile picture bothers me.
@@skyehimalaya8047 Do you not like MAD?
The stock valve faceplate contains silver. Silver has been used for years in the medical field due to its antibacterial efficacy. It works by interrupting the bacteria cell's ability to form the chemical bonds necessary for its survival.
It also helps with the stank.
Quite effective against the early stages of lycanthropy as well
@@GameDevNerd oh ok.
@@GameDevNerd not really against, but somehow it made me resistant to silver over time. ... AAARRRRRHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Mfw my body prefers to overheat instead of sweat
Same
Fallout 4 VR be like; SYNTH
maybe you are already dehydrated. You should be sweating, its natural.
You should probably have that checked
same
1:40 I found that the best solution for cleaning the facial interface is to have a ton of 91% isopropyl alcohol, and a ton of paper towels. Soak the foam in isopropyl, soak it back out with paper towels, rinse and repeat until the whole thing comes off clear.
I'm a very sweaty boy, so I had to do this for my Samsung Oddysey+ at only 350 hours in. But once I put the time and materials into it the foam was right back to Day-1 quality. It started getting disgusting again at ~550 hours though and I ordered the O+ VRCover, eliminating the problem completely via pleatherette.
Give it a try, it's completely safe as it doesn't use soaps or anything harmful to fabric/foam, and if you try to use it just after cleaning your eyes get squeaky clean too, at the cost of stinging.
Sanitizer Tablets are another option, that is vastly more effective at killing the bugs. Unlike alcohol, it will kill mold and viruses. you can get a bottle of tablets for less than 8$ and that will make hundreds of gallons of cleaning solution.
@@spoonikle The issue, is that most cleaning solutions will disintegrate the foam material over time and washes. It might be fine to use a sanitizer tablet to clean it once or twice, but come the fourth, fifth, sixth cleaning the foam will disintegrate more and more, to the point where the padding starts losing its plush and eventually becomes little more than a piece of fabric that sits between the compact mush that used to be foam and you.
Not to mention, there is the fact that it is Isopropyl is very toxic, unlike the Beryl alcohol we normally drink, and makes a great disinfectant, while being generally unreactive to anything it touches, unlike bleaches or soaps. That's why I recommend using Isopropyl alcohol instead of any other sanitization solution, it's one of the few things that's basically guaranteed to not break down the foam over time and washes, even though it's *less* effective as a disinfectant/detergent.
I'm only seeming to find 99.9% or 70%. I assume purer should still be fine? Any thoughts?
@@UnknownSquid 50-70% is actually the optimal concentration for killing bacteria. higher percentages tend to make bacteria go into spore or defensive mode and not be killed.
@@lgchinadragon k
Me not even having a headset:
cool
You ever get one?
I've used the VR Cover PU Leather replacement gasket on my Rift CV1 with their Cloth VR Covers to help wick sweat away from my face; a good compromise to avoid the sweat sponge. I have a bunch of the covers and swap them frequently, the hold up well in the washing machine in low heat on a gentle wash.
Thank you for making such great informative videos ive been interested in vr for a while and after recently upgrading my pc i am looking to save up to buy a index and cant wait till i finally can join the vr crowd
2 vids in one day! I'm in VR news heaven.
Thanks for sharing and as always keep building👍
LOL! ITS A RECORD!
i think im gonna just wash the Interface in the washing machine and treat it like a tshirt and Hope it works
don't machine wash it you're going to ruin it much faster.
Galf506 woooosh
@@Faux_Fox_ wthdym it doesnt look like a joke it isnt formated as one
DuckTheCat ASMR Dumbass
@@Galf506 Well - I have some experience with washing pads from my motorcycle helmets and my headphones. I guess machine washing the interface can be done. I'd put it in a bag for delicates, do a cold wash (30 °C max.) without using the spin cycle. Or - wash it by hand using some travel detergent ...
Damn that upload schedule is epic . Keep up the good work
I finally got the complete kit last week and definitely an upgrade from my Odyssey! I love valve and every detail they worked on the headset. And they improved so many small details with the packaging that was an issue before in early launch!
$750 more better be an upgrade lmao
Xander Treat def but I had the odyssey since preorder on the original version
hey, I also have a Samsung Odyssey and was looking to get either the Valve Index or the Vive Pro. the Vive Pro has basically the same screen as the odyssey but the odyssey kinda gives me motion sickness when moving fast. how is the Index's display when compared to the odyssey? I need to upgrade to full body tracking but can't decide which headset is better. Don't know if the Index's LCD display is a major downgrade or not
Great review! Thanks! I have ordered nice and an excited to receive it
nice vid i hope you never stop uploading (:
Oh? I completely missed the news on this. Thank you for the coverage, I am excited to get my hands on these covers.
As comfortable as the standard index covers may be for most people, they fit absolutely horribly on my face, pushing down hard on my cheekbones. Talking and smiling would be painful and I would get immense headaches for hours after just 45 to 60 minutes of usage. I might have spent less than 10 hours with my Index in total before I put it on a shelf and switched back to my Vive. No other VR headset gave me any issues like this.
Really hoping the VRCover alternative will make the Index actually useable for me.
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good news about the VR cover being out is that if you are crafty you can sew yourself together another cloth set for those particularly sweaty games, velcro that on. Once done with your sweat sessions, just toss that into the wash every now and again. boom best of both worlds.
Thanks Thrill! Really helped me out on what to buy there. As soon as I saw the new cover on the website, I were unsure on what to buy now.
But now I guess the full replacement is really the best option for me.
After trying multiple options to get rid of that stench from my gasket, I just wanted to buy 2 new ones of Valve themselves. But that wouldn't change the fact that it would be like that again in the future.
Thanks for the advice there ~
I was going to get one of these, glad I got to use your affiliate link to make the purchase
Thanks for a review that doesn't shy away from the nastier issues! As somebody who sweats a lot, and really loves playing Beat Saber, I'm probably better off just ordering a double pack of the official ones to swap out.
Maybe one could wear like a balaclava or something underneath the leather interface. That might soak up some sweat and would be machine washable. Of course it would probably add a degree of insulation and exacerbate the sweating situation. What I think I'd want personally is a cushion layer that is resistant to filth, like the leather one here, and an additional washable cloth layer specifically crafted to be the shape of the interface (rather than a full on balaclava or whatever).
they should just have a machine washable cloth gasket. should come in like 6-10 in a pack. So when ever one gets dirty, put it in with the other dirty laundry and use a different one while that gets washed.
wearing a bandanna or something thin takes care of the headsweats pretty well. way easier to wash and WAY cheaper to replace when they get kinda funky.
Love your vids, not only are they relaxing to watch but helpful too!
I have a question btw
Does the index’s interface leave marks on your head after 10 mins of use like other headsets?
I certainly wouldn't have marks after only 10 minutes, but like any other it will still leave those red marks after extended use. Personally I find it's fairly light on the marks in most cases. I can come out of an 8 hour session and the marks won't be too bad and will clear up fairly fast. This is as different for each user though, as it is for each headset. My Vive never left much marks either.
I'd also note that it's worth while to see if it's possible to personally modify the fit of any headset if experiencing any discomfort. And I only mean very simple things. My Vive for example used to rest too much weight on my cheeks and not enough on the brow. My solution was to place a rolled up sock, later using a small bean bag instead, just under the front of the top strap. This lifted the front in a way that adjusting the strap didn't, redistributed the facial weight, and moved some of the weight to my upper forehead/skull rather than face. A simple mod that dramatically improved comfort for me.
When my Index arrived I had the opposite problem. Too much pressure on the brow, and almost no weight on the cheek line, resulting in a weird fit. The less obvious solution I eventually found, was adding more padding to the lower half of the rear strap that cups the back of the head. I simply took a microfibre cloth and wrapped it round to bulk up that part of the strap a little, making it fit my headshape better and giving me more freedom to adjust the front.
UnknownSquid cool! Thanks
Ok, company’s that make VR cover masks, I have what I would consider to be a damn good idea to improve the face mask and solve the problem found in this video. So there are memory foam pillows that can be put in the washer and dryer, just do the same thing with the face cushions. Make them washer and dryer safe and also add the fabric so it will still soak up sweat. Your welcome in advance
i literally just bought this like 2 days ago, if i wouldve seen your video then i wouldve used your link. cant wait for it to get here
it sucks i got it and its just terrible on your face waste of money
@@fleurdeliseffxiv1580 Somewhat same result here. The padding needs to be tripled. That stuff feels like a sliver of memory foam which immediately compresses to a nano-meter of padding. You can feel the weight of the Index digging into your forehead. For the time being, I've taken those additional pads designed to fit on the sides and crammed them under the upper center to add padding.
@@shinnou1 I actually have some really good aftermarket vive face cushions that i was planning on using instead of the ones they provide
Having a Rift S, Valve Index, and Vive Cosmos Elite, I actually found that the Index was by far the least comfortable. It was evidently made for much larger heads than mine, and with my small head, it puts a lot of pressure on my sinuses (while simultaneously not fitting tightly enough to not slide around), causing me to quickly develop a pretty bad headache. The included padding for the rear of the headset unfortunately only makes that problem worse. The Rift S was the most comfortable for me, but I use the Cosmos Elite the most due to the relatively good comfort, better resolution and refresh rate, and the ability to use the valve knuckle controllers with it natively.
I purchased the VR cover for the Odyssey + and I don't understand how the pleather is an upgrade. Within a few seconds I instantly started sweating and there was visible and feelable moisture collecting on it. It definitely improved light leakage but at the cost of extreme heat and discomfort. I much prefer the fabric based interfaces.
Y’all gotta get headbands. Crucial VR accessory. Also, arthritis compression gloves are great for preventing you from getting calluses from the Index’s controllers.
This was one of the biggest problem with the cheaper Windows MR headset I had. Every time I had to take off the headset and would just stop playing, because I’m not a fan of having my cold sweat greeting me when I come back.
The leather would make more heat build up.
Vrcover makes a cloth cover to allow for machine washing, plus breathable material.
One made of a towel like material would probably be nice. You could buy a few of them and wash them regularly.
Personally, after about 350 hours with mine, my face gasket gets a little bit irritating BUT I really like how mine fits. Mine hasn't worn at all and I don't break out like you said you have. Perhaps more wear will change that. I may get the the PU leather face gasket though just to see if I'm missing out. The difference for me from the Vive original to the Index was a huge difference so maybe the leather will suit me even better.
the way he says pleather makes me uncomfortable
He says PU leather (what it says on be cover) it’s just another word for pleather same as faux leather :)
As Deadwarrior said, he's saying PU Leather, which is short for polyurethane leather
@@Josh_dbg yeah it's faster to say pleather instead if pu leather
I'll definitely give this a shot. Because the lenses touch my eyebrows, the Index isn't as comfortable as my Vive all decked out with VR covers on both front and back. Maybe this will help with that.
the ziptied cable clip made me laugh for some reason
I bought their washable covers bc I like the cloth feeling better
Great vid. Can you review the Valve Index Controller covers? They enlarge the sides of the stick part of the controllers.
I can’t wait to get my index!!
Fuck Valve
Yes, you can and will wait. Just like me :)
@@Meesnter what
7:35 you can see the boneworks logo through the crab robot thing
Good review and valuable thoughts. It is important to provide feedback after some time of using goggles, not only after unboxing like some do. Cheers
Are these angled the same way as the original ones or did they take the oppotunity to remove some of the material from the bottom of the cover, so we can see more when looking down?
I came back to this video just to click on your affiliate link, cuz I'm about to try and buy a Valve Index tomorrow morning!
You're amazing. Thank you 😊
Have you tried wearing the header with a fabric headband? Does it mitigate the issues with the PU leather?
hi thrill i love your videos
hey man what config r u using for ur note colours and lights for beatsaber? i love it
For the PU leather cover, have a decent sized, cut cloth or rag, it would REALLY help, especially several layers of rags/cloths cut the same way. I live in a poor family so I really can't test this myself as I don't have a VR headset quite yet, but that would seem like the obvious thing to do because you can wash the rags/cloths. But, then again, you're more of an expert with VR than me, so Idk lmao
Take a shot everytime he says "soaked" 😂
How would you wash the quest’ default face cover? I really don’t know. Could you make a video on it?
You could use alcohol on tissue paper (make sure not to apply immediately wait like 1 hour before putting the tissue paper with alcohol on it) and take the interface off and just rub it then use a cloth to dry it and remove the alcohol in it (wait like 5 mins tho) and it should be good!
@@unknownpaws will that 1 hour wait not simply evaporate the alcohol?
@@CPSPD I think he meant to wait until 1 hour after use, maybe.
I usually go with the thin pad for the face and the thick pad for the back
4:20 too good Thrill.
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1:01
it looks like the lil robots are bleeding cola
im bouta be a vampire then
PSA: Buy some sweatbands to extend the life of your face gaskets even longer.
Do you feel the sweat will drip to the HMD and kill it ? For extreme setting.
don't take a bath with it
It could happen, because this material doesn't breath at all. It's not so much the sweat literally dripping, but more so the sweat becoming gaseous and causing humidity to build up within the lenses.
Yes, I have seen first hand more than one headset (HTC Vive) killed due to extreme sweat. Not sure if this is the same with the index though.
does the gasket from vrcover work better with wider heads? The stock one is a bit too narrow
does this cover make it safe to use glasses inside of the index?
I wonder when a "gel pad" will come out. Most Tactical headsets like Peltor Comtacs have Gelpads to give the best seal while not pressing and are horribly comfortable to wear for hours on and on. Dont keep sweat. Just clean off and done
I love when people talk the index headset getting sweaty. Try the vive pro, it's a sweat sponge. I used the VR cover for the index and hated it. It always stuck to my face
Matteo311 yeah man when my wife went to play Beat Saber after me on our Vive Pro she was like, “Geez, babe... this thing is NOT dry” lol
Just watched mrtv's story about the index thumb stick not registering clicks when tilted, this seems to be an issue for some of the index controllers but not all. is that something you had issues with?
The first thing I did before even purchasing the headset, was getting sweatbands for my head. I haven't played once without and never had to deal with this issue (yet anyway). I have sweaty hands and use deodorant on my hands, so my controllers stay clean too.
can you do a comparison video of the Vive Pro vs the Valve Index? cant decide which one is the better experience in terms of the display
I just bought extra gaskets from valve then anytime someone comes over everyone gets a fresh gasket and when they stop playing we just wash it with water n a bit of soap every now and then and let it dry before use again and that has worked amazing for us no smell
I've learned this trick from a guy that was doing MTB a lot and his shoes used to smell like shit. Get the water purification tablets, they contains silver ions so they kill all bacteria within the water, just dissolve the amount it needs for a bowl of water, dip your foam part in it, and let it sit for a while. Then take it out, hang it and let it dry completely. One important thing, do not rinse it with clean water after soaking. It should kill all bacteria and smell, i used to do this with smelly slippers :)
Is this a little wider than the stock unit? I find the stock interface too narrow.
so, what if i wear glasses? the oculus quest has a spacer you can put under the face plate. does the index do something for that? or do i gotta get creative when i decide to get one
the 360 beat saber in the bg gave me motion sickness forcing me to just listening to the video lol
me after video: "oh hm wow seems pretty nice"
me after going to the buy link: "$40? WAY TOO EXPENSIVE FOR A DAMN FACE COVER"
@@user-yj8yt4xh3u at least the headset is worth the money. The face cover alone should be like $20
@@Dalrae Since you get 2 covers for 40$, doesn that means it is exactly the price yo uwant?
that`s how much valve charges for 1 inferior replacement
Dude, I just wash the index's facemask with lukewarm water and handsoap. Works like a charm for months, no issues. Dab with towel and air dry for 4 hours. Easy peasy
dude you can go 4 hours without vr
watching a lot of index vids cuz imma bout to get one cuz I need an upgrade
Just use thin silicone cover. There are plenty at all the major wholesale websites. Cheap, clean easily does not take away softness of index face cover. Yeah, bit sweaty, but I just use a piece of paper towel on my headset to prolong my gaming sessions and I sweat a lot.
I'm a furry (unpopular I know) but to keep or foux fur fursuits from getting nasty we use fursuit spray to kill bacterial buildup and apply a nice scent. This stuff is made with a mixture of water (as a disolvent) vinegar (as a bacterial killer) isopropyl alcohol (for disinfectant and bacterial killer) and essential oils for scent of choice. This is safe for all materials and prevents the buildup of what you described as bio-juices. Hope you try this and I hope it works! Either way, I'll be getting my own Index here soon and plan on using my spray to avoid the face panel getting nasty.
Lmfao, ever bang a chick that was in a furry suit?
ThrillSeeker Is it a wide gasket or is there an option as i find the standard one too narrow for my big head and big brow bones 🤔 🤣.
Thanks
IMO, the VRCover interface itself is too thin, and not comfortable, with or without the wedges. I'm using the 16mm VRCover gasket intended for the Vive Pro, and it feels much better. I can still get the lenses close enough to touch my face, so I'm not losing any FOV with it.
Honestly the biggest problem is the price, but I guess making it more comfortable is always good as well.
i've been wearing headphones for at least 10 or so years for 5-6 hours a day and I can say without a doubt that leather is almost always hotter and more uncomfortable than material. The material usually breathes more and doesn't heat up your face. I found with headphones that, after wearing for hours with leather pads I would often experience sweating just from having it on. I can only imagine what that would be like having it on your face while you're essentially doing aerobics. I personally would prefer to just replace the gasket with the valve one when mine gets nasty.
I agree with this, the cloth VR cover is keeping my face gasket clean enough and isn't uncomfortable at all. Only gripe is that you have to lift up the bottom edges before putting it on or they slide down over time. I hated the leather one's I got for the Vive. I only really play beat saber and such and use VR as a place to burn some calories so it's a sweat fest every time I put it on. Just fork over 40 bucks for 2 new gaskets and they will last you an insanely long time if you clean them in turns with alcohol every now and then. Well worth the money. Also handwash with baby shampoo cleans the gasket surface and cloth vr covers nicely and smells nice too.
Is it possible to wrap the previous VRCover cloth piece on the new VR Cover replacement?
Yes it is
Is the VR Cover interface any wider than the stock interface? My glasses are just barely to wide for the factory setup. TIA.
I have one and it definitely depends on which one you use but from my experience they are around the same
Comes the vr cover with a little fov inprovment too? Like on the vive...
I can’t decide if I need a new strap and foam cover for my quest 2 or if I need prescription lenses
My vision isn’t to bad but idk what to do
It's definitely a difficult problem to solve. You want something cool and breathable enough that it doesn't make you sweat, but not so porous that it gets gross.
Not sure that we'll see a true solution to this for some time. Probably will need some materials engineers to cook up some crazy new plastic fiber.
I don't like the PU leather because the welded seams dig into my face and makes it uncomfortable.
For cleaning, beside soap and water I use a UV-C lamp to kill germs. Works great, no smell. (Use with care! UV-C is very dangerous for eyes and skin!)
It's biggest problem the 70mm IPD limit, sucks for anyone at 75mm, or anyone in Australia where they don't sell it.
Thrillseeker I wanna point out that I've bought the vrcover for the index but I also bought the cloth cover and I'm using it in combo with the comfort PU leather and if feels really really good. The stock index foam still feels the best but it definitely is a close second and the cloth cover can be washed and the pu leather can be wiped down. You should try that combo since you've got the cloth cover and report back what you think!
I wish more headsets would have a facepad with cutouts for glasses, like the htc vive. I'd really like to upgrade to a better headset but none of them would really be comfortable with glasses :(
I actually prefer cloth, yeah its more difficult to clean, but also not impossible.
Pleather on the other hand is not only less comfortable, it actually irritates my skin, combined with the fact that I sweat a lot and my skin also hates my sweat, I prefer washing the memory foam.
beat saber 360 mode terrifies me
I thought you were going to carp about the price, but this is pretty bad too. I think there should be a few options available that would make the experience more hygienic, especially since it's going to be shared among friends and family. I used to soak my canvas shoes in water and put them in the microwave to steam the microbes to death, which was important since I never wore socks. Maybe you could try that?
Could you not wrap the padding with foil?
Easy solution: make the cloth attached with velcro so you can take it off and throw it in the washing machine, that way it soaks up sweat and can be easily washed and dried
Looking for help with my index. Right ear audio either cuts out completely or sticks at fifty percent volume. Dont know what I did I've played it pretty normally pulled it off once on accident by stepping on the cord but that's it. Any fixes? Think valve will send me a new ear or cord or something? It's incredibly annoying
What software do you use for recording vr gameplay?
Oragani just use obs
@@estebansays Not what I'm talking about... What software does he use to capture the heaadset? Like Oculus Mirror.
Cant VR cover make a pad that actually conforms to the facial interface without wrinkling up ?
That's more difficult with PU leather
I bought 2 sets of the replacement original head gaskets.. it only cost 35 for 3 so 70 for 6 then you have 7 head gaskets. 1 a day for the whole week
@Furious_DC I'm in uk.. sorry they are £36.99 for the set but are now completely sold out!
could you tell me how to clean the controllers? I used for a long time and now the whole controller got sticky, I tried to use wet towel, soap water and even clorox wipe to clean it but they didn't work. It is still sticky after it dried up.
Do you have an affiliate link for the Rift S cover from vrcover. I'm definitely going to pick one or 2 up and would love to support you on that if you have an affiliate link for the Rift S cover
I'm not sure why they would even use fabric when it's obvious people would sweat in VR.
WaqMan VR because it feels nicer. Der. Complaining that a bit of fabric doesn’t feel nice that you’ve pressed up to your sweating face for 1000 is dumb. Obviously it’s going to get nasty
That's exactly why, because people sweat and they've come to a conclusion that most people wouldn't want sweat running down their face. I'm one of such people myself.
Question: With my index I have a big problem of it just being too small. Apparently I have a giant face. Is this bigger or smaller, because at least with the wedges it looks even smaller than the original to me.
ye I don't understand the purpose of wedges on a headset that is already pressing into the temples..
try colloidal silver and/or UV light maybe?