Greetings BST Ford Channel, After reading many of the comments, I decided to add my two cents worth as well without being so rude and insulting because of a mistake. You mentioned being new to this snake pit know as internet blogs so you should get used to the excessive negativity because unfortunately there are certain individuals that have nothing better to do than go online and harass strangers to make up for their own miserable lives. I’ll most certainly hear from them for calling them out so I say screw the ignorant bastards ! Enough about that. I definitely enjoyed your video. My racing background is centered around drag racing but I do remember Fords involvement in Trans Am and sports car competition during the late sixties to 1970. The clip you showed a few times during the video of the Mustang in a balls to the wall move by getting sideways and using up the whole track in his successful effort to pass several slower cars was as good as it gets. It took plenty of skill to recover from getting sideways and then boldly passing the others shows the aggressive determination that’s required to be a winner. The politics of professional Motorsports can get ugly but it has always been part of the big picture. The more recent interviews with people like Shelby and Bud Moore brings the deal making and politics out into the open and helps explain why some of the unexplained or unpopular decisions concerning drivers and teams were made back in the day. In the interviews with prominent people that were so heavily involved with running the show, they have the freedom to talk about what really went down so many decades ago without fear of losing their jobs or worse. Videos like this are important to help document the history of racing. By knowing the how’s and why’s of the beginning we can better understand where we are today with an informed eye towards the future. As I mentioned previously, I enjoy Ford racing and especially if it involves Mustangs. I was still in high school in 1969 when the first Mach 1’s became available. I always kept the latest car magazines handy so I could read the different drag strip test results when they were published. In 1971 I managed to get my first Mustang. It was a ‘69 Mach 1 with the 428 Cobra Jet with ram air and for the day, it was one of the quickest and fastest production cars available. But that was right at the end of the first generation of muscle cars from Detroit. With increasing government regulations concerning smog, insurance costs going sky high and the greedy Arab OPEC countries creating intentional fuel shortages to screw the world with criminal increases in the price of crude oil, the era of performance automobiles came to a sudden end. The next couple of decades were the worst for car makers and especially for the performance car market. Fast forward to here and now. Advances in technology and automotive production have created a new generation of performance cars that can be purchased at any dealership and have opened up whole new level of mind boggling performance that would have been considered impossible back when big cubic inch torque monsters ruled the streets and tracks. Ford helped pave the way to performance with their small displacement V-8 engines featuring computer controlled variable cam timing and heavy breathing, highly efficient four cam, 32 valve cylinder heads. And that reflects back to the awesome performance delivered by the race winning Mustangs in Trans Am and SCCA competition that are featured in this video. Shelby did wonders with the performance of Fords small block “Windsor” engines in Mustangs. The designation of Windsor is used because they were produced in Fords Windsor, Ontario foundry. Ford used the name to distinguish it from their other 351 engine that was from the Cleveland, Ohio foundry. The 351 Cleveland engine became available as an option for the 1970 Mustang. But prior to that, Ford released the Boss 302 engine in a totally unique Boss 302 performance Mustang for the 1969 model year. The two different 351 engines had nothing in common other than the same cubic inch displacement and the same bore centerline dimensions. Needless to say there has been some confusion about the two different engines so to avoid it they are officially designated as 351W and 351C. The rules for Mustangs in Trans Am competition and all other cars running in the same class limited the engines displacement to 305 cubic inches. Fords small block engine family grew in displacement over the years with the most popular being the 260, 289, 302 and 351W with the most common link between them all being the cylinder heads with a inline valve arrangement. The 351W had and continues to have some success in other forms of racing but the displacement was too large for Trans Am. Ford was seriously committed to winning races in the different forms they supported during the sixties and during the last half of the decade their engineers developed an engine specifically for Trans Am competition. To be eligible for racing they had to build a minimum number of cars to be sold through dealerships to the general public. That new car was The 1969 Boss 302 Mustang. The Boss 302 engine was radically different from the 302 and 351 Windsor engines. The most obvious difference was the cylinder head design. The heads featured a canted or poly angle valve layout which placed each pair of valves in a staggered arrangement with the intake valves angled toward the intake manifold side and the exhaust valves angled toward the exhaust manifold. This allowed the engineers to use larger valves and valve angles improved the flow velocity in and out of each cylinder. The results were greater flow and improved efficiency which means more power than the limited inline valve design of the Windsor heads. The Cleveland heads had to be wider to accommodate the valve train and in order for the Boss 302 to fit between the shock towers in the engine bay of the Mustang required the engineers to make some design compromises which had a negative impact on power output. The results were very noticeable for production Boss 302 Mustangs In street trim. The engine felt sluggish at lower rpms
Boss 302 continued....But around 4500 rpms up to the rev limiter factory set around 7000 rpms, the engine came alive in spectacular fashion. But the actual time any street driven engine spends at wide open throttle is very low. When detuned for the street, there simply wasn’t enough cubic inches to take advantage of the free flowing heads. The original Boss 302 heads were cast at the Windsor foundry. For the soon to be released all new 351 Cleveland engine, they moved production of the Boss heads to the Cleveland casting foundry where they were used for the 351 Cleveland 4-V engines with great results thanks to the extra cubic inches. When the Boss Mustangs were entered in Trans Am competition, they were first modified for serious competition by the talented Ford builders like Bud Moore and Jack Roush. Judging by the strong performances along with a fair share of wins in the record books, there was definitely nothing sluggish about them when they were allowed to perform as intended by the performance engineers at Ford. The 351 Cleveland engines featuring the original Boss 302 head design with specific modifications to maximize their performance potential became one of the most powerful naturally aspirated small block engines ever produced. They were especially successful in Drag Racing where they dominated Pro Stock with several national championship winners in the books. There’s no denying the amazing technologies that Ford is using currently to produce the most powerful production engines in history. It’s fantastic and the best is yet to come ! But the 50+ year old design of the 351 Cleveland block and heads are still going stronger than ever with several different sources producing improved versions of the original components in aluminum alloy from foundries in the United States 🇺🇸 and Canada 🇨🇦. The new Cleveland alloy blocks have a greatly increased bore and stroke capacity and the alloy heads are available in many versions to suit mild to wild builds. Many of them can be viewed here on TH-cam. One of my favorites is a 461 CLEVOR using an aftermarket Windsor block topped by Aussie Cleveland heads. In naturally aspirated trim with no additional power adders using pump fuel it produced 934 horsepower and 669 lb/ft of torque. Race fuel bumped the dyno up to 979 and 700. Not too shabby for an engine originally designed in the sixties for Trans Am Racing. All of this nostalgic rambling is probably why I’ve owned my current 1970 Mach 1 for 37 years. Hear me now and believe me later if we meet on the street someday...my old Mustang is also Cleveland powered and it definitely isn’t sluggish. 🏁 ☮️ 🇺🇸
God bless you and yours Daniel ! This comment my god blew me away with the info a tech support.. I took my time and read this whole comment plus the other below.. I came back to Ford cause of a few reasons 1st one is that I got pissed at a Chinese take-out ( they was very nasty to me ) and I started to boycott those places that shared that same energy ( towards me ). Then I was like i am coming back home to Ford ( no karate food ) no Jiu Jitsu cars.. Its a place where I THOUGHT I felt most at home ( it was a lie ) I forced my heart into it ( was not there ) I told a friend of mine I was going to Ford ONLY videos and I told him I had 1,500 subs at the time ( he said no wonder? ) you chose Ford and Ford is crap. people do not like Ford ect ( the people suck ) I was like wow? Ok , but i chose. And I rode it out. I never picked a Ford car the Cars choose me ( sounds odd i know ) . and I had many types of cars except Toyota,Honda, Benz.. I had Saab,Volvo, Vw, Bmw, Nissan, Datsun, Fiat 4dr, 1-Chevy,and Audi. With that said I can say Ford is better car brand. They just make simple mistakes they pick bad CEOs ..Internally everyone is for themselves and trying to out shine ( each other ) with in a company which is very odd. The detailed info you gave brother made this worth wild.. I love the old school stuff ( so I can get game from the pass ) to add to the future builds. Its like I am starting from scratch ( learning wise ) engine stuff.. done 4 bangers for so long ( need v8 love ). people do the same thing with cars ( in the same way ) This comment you gave helped me on the next THING . Thank you for this comment it well needed during these times
BST Ford Channel your enthusiasm is contagious! I thoroughly enjoyed this video and am looking forward to seeing your next ones. Fantastic post friend, I’m going to subscribe. 2+1 thumbs WAY UP!!👍🏼👍🏼+👍🏼.
Daniel Wilson strong Daniel Wilson! You are so right about the S***bag negative jealous losers that have to try and bring down good posts to make themselves feel better! Loved your info! My dad never had any luck w the small block 351(Windsor) tried it a few times. So just stuck w the Bud Moore 302’s. Boy the memories!👍👍👍
So sorry bro ( I f up again ) when I ramble ( Carl comes out ) many guys read from something i just go.. And I very pissed i f this up again. I deserve the name calling and such thats given.. I have to wear that George... Sorry bro
Love your videos about bud moore and their story. Back in 65-66 I was blinded by accident . Ford came out with the mustang and couldn't see what the mustang 🐎 looked like. I was 8 years old and drove me crazy wanting to see one. By the grace of God & a very fine DR I got it back mostly and the first thing my dad did was to take me to see the new mustang in 68. I've been in love with her ever since.
thank for this GREAT comment Terry this was so great bro.. i really enjoy this and I see what YOU love the Mustang . the car has a deeper meaning than many. I se a nd feel your passion
I was born in 67. Grew up loving and reading of 60's 70's muscle cars. Saw a few Boss 429 in car shows but never a 302. In 2012 when Boss 302 came back as a revival, I was captivated. Found a 13 Boss, in 17, and never letting it go. A true "road" car. Cheers to Ford, well done "Blue Oval" :-)
---Nice Vid, great to see Allan again. I'm an OZ and remember those great days of racing in Bathurst. As you can see by my thumbnail, i now own a 69 2+2 Sportsroof 351 W+C4. Engine rebuild underway , 60 over, sweet BluePrint heads, 750 cfm Holley, CompCams Thumpr retrofit roller, Hydraulic Rollers, Scorpion rockers, Performer RPM dual plane, Cloyes billet double timing set, DSS Forged Racing slugs... and the list goes on. Total body restoration because it's a rustbucket. Have a spare 1985 302 converted to Carb from EFI for tinkering and testing. These engines are easy to repair, pump up and start. Happy tuning mate.
Here some more information, this summarizes what I read on the subject years ago: After being screwed over, Shelby lost interest in the Ford deal by 1969. Both racing and building cars with his name on them were cancelled, as per his request. This was from an exposé in a 1969 automotive publication. Also, Ford was very adept at building performance cars by then, and didn't need his help anymore. Other Ford super-powers in the racing world had picked up where Shelby left off; e.g. Bud Moore, Holman-Moody, etc. What I recall reading in some period publications of the day, the Mercury deal was cancelled by Ford. They wanted the Mustang to win races, not so much Cougar. The Mercury team over-achieved, and it didn't make sense for them to compete against each other, so Ford cut them. The disastrous multi-car pile up at the St. Jovite Trans Am race of 3/8/1969, is what pretty much cost Ford the 1969 season. They never recovered from that. Before the 1970 season, Ford slashed their racing budget in both NASCAR and Manufacturer's Cup Trans Am series, so only 1 team for the Trans Am series continued to receive support. After the 1970 season the only racing they continued to support, was a couple of classes in drag racing.
god bless you for this info... i could NOT find this type of info so i was right, but YOU gave it very good detail... i was just going by what made sense , but you gave a ( solid insightful ) read brother... I thank you for this.. I am very grateful.. you guys are my teachers and i really enjoyed being home school by you guys... Thank you for this 1 brother
I remember seeing Alan Moffat race the Coke Mustang in Adelaide South Australia, still sends shivers down my spine. What a beautiful weapon it was/is still.
Wow you where there.. Dereck i just watch high-light reels on him ( thats as close i can get ) .. Moffat seem so disappointed when he drove the rx7. The Fords is what he loved it seems.. I will say he was the best Falcon driver ever ... from what I have watched...The man was serious about driving. Thank you for this comment Dereck
I was watching him at Oran Park and Warwick Farm. He was simply GOD as far as this 12-yr-old was concerned. I still think it was the most beautiful car ever made.
thank you for this.. I wanted to share some things i was reading and views of the car in pass motor sports usage .. Now you have 1 so you know 1st hand what is all about in ( normal driving ) so you have way more insight than me.. many of you guys do..And i thank you for keeping that car loved brother Jim
Shelby could have been competitive, especially coming off of the Cobra Daytona and GT 40 programs and their famous successes. But I think he was tired of the mad scramble, the corporate wrangling and herding of cats, and he needed a break from it - and his heart condition didn't help matters one bit. I think it's fortunate that he bowed out, because all of the pressure of a new race team with the expectation of classic Shelby victories very well could have killed him.
I can see that point.. So much pressure.. Its like you hired me to do a job, but you are not letting do the job you are hiring me for... I can really see that angle ( and thats a real common man issue ) times 30 for the money Shelby was dealing with.. this was a a very insightful spin on this subject Matt.. Very spot on
Bud Moore was a master mechanic, engineer, and car builder. He had tremendous success in NASCAR and Trans Am racing. As a kid growing up in the sixties and seventies in Spartanburg SC , I remember riding past his shop on numerous occasions and seeing many cool cars in the parking lot , including one of these 1970 Trans am Mustangs
thank you for this... I wanted to do a 302 video on the same subject matter. The Aussie cars are very important Ford and those that just enjoy racing... Thank you for this comment and the support
@@bstfordchannel923 Mad Max!!! That movie introduced most of us American kids to those cars back then, most of us had no clue that Australia built cars like that.
That test track is Waterford. Where I grew up. My family raced Formula Ford which were Cortina engines in a Indu looking car. But I loved A-B sedan racing which was Mustangs Cameros Corvettes.
Dick Johnson ran that little green Mustang for two years at Bathurst for a 4th placing and 7th placing; quite impressive for a privateer running against factory teams in such a gruelling race.
I saw a video recently of a guy driving a subaru like that in a series in western Australia called improved production. Little fella was in full send mode and took to the dirt to make a pass on a lapped car. And unbelievably, theres a bunch of comments complaining about the pass, like what? It was crazy and he had the balls to just through his car off thr road to avoid contact or smashing the brakes. Even the armchair racers these days have lost their gonads
agreed family is the 1st to f ya ( all the time ).. Your enemy can be your best friend cause he or she will prove there loyalty . Verse a friend that NEVER been your enemy. Thus to your point bro... Spot on
That footage of the wild and crazy pass on the inside heading into the corner was incredible! I really enjoy the vintage "skunk works" stories between rival manufacturers and teams. Cutting edge developments going on at a furious pace. Thanks for posting this!
I lost my breath when I saw that.... I saw footage once of Micky Thompson's Mach 1 Getting sideways, at speed, at the top end of the drag strip....and the driver reeled it in perfectly.
thank you for watching this video Kei Fab.. I watch those video to on the Vintage Japanese stuff also..How they say the jdm style is really a American style. They just went over there they put there spin on it and brought it back to the states ( very odd )... Now that pass in the dirt ( CLEAN bro ) I feel Shelby drivers where are as good as Bud Moores ( just me guessing ).. Thank you for comment brother i enjoyed it!
@@flat6fever680 Yup that was him.............."If you've never been out of control during a race then you probably aren't trying hard enough" - Rufus Parnell (Parnelli) Jones
thank you for understanding the connection... The Aussie mean a lot in this car game ( people do not like to add them ) but i respect what they have put down ( to this day ) god bless you and yours
I vintaged raced a 1967 Mercury Cougar for eight years. It ran on the West Coast (professionally) for a few years in 1967-1968. When I restored it for vintage racing (in the early 90's) it still had the tunnelport 302 in it. It ran pretty strong for a stock (circa 1967) motor, but it was fraught with engine flaws. After a few years I noticed most of the "vintage" cars became mush faster as everyone was building cheater motors. It just became too expensive so I sold the Cougar. It sure was fun to drive. Bud Moore certainly did a great job with the cougar and basically lost the 1967 season on the last race of the season to the Mustang. Bud Moore made a great move and tuned the Boss 302 to perfection in the next few years.
i have been blessed with this comment Gary. thank you for this i read this twice ( i felt i was there ) Thats the part that Shelby did not like about racing in the series ( you got a taste of that ) in the 90s I see when being a privateer in this race ( new or old ) you need money to compete and you have to be crafty . I wish nascar of the now would take each team and have then build a car of yester year no they can have the feel of what the guys in past drove . They can do 5 races with these oldie rides and the seats will be PACKED and online coverage would be crazy ( I said this 1 st ) thank you for your comment Gary
you are god sent brother ( i know i blundered ) but i am so grateful for this comment. God bless you and yours during these time Cliff.. Thank you for the support brother.. thank you so much
Never understood why the 302 instead of 427 in that NASCAR Stang. They did build one Shelby 427 GT/500 for the public called the Super Snake. Most GT/500 came with a mild 428. Started my Crown Vic front assembly swap into my 1972 F100 Short Bed last week. Pulled the FE360 and C6, entire doghouse in 2 days. Removed the twin I-beam and cut the cross member day 3. Took 2 days to box the frame and hook up the Crown Vic. Still working on steering today. Fe will go back in with new Performer RPM intake and Performer 600 carb. Will get an MSD ignition upgrade also. Had to fix the truck before I can start my Maverick project. Dammit!
I never understood until the weight came into play... its trans am racing so the car has to be nibble a bit.. 302 was a perfect thing UNTIL . Even they used 351c so those where small blocks still.. its the weight I bet.. Now you are building something over there.. trust me you will get your maverick done before mine lo. that truck sound dope and its coming along nice i see.. I have to clean garage up so once i get the flow clean and old parts UN-wanted out then i can start putting this thing together.. Thank you for this cause this will help get going to what i need to do..
@L Twig . . . what BST Ford Channel says about the weight issue was valid, indeed. Brakes were an issue back in the 1960s; where they were marginal for passenger vehicles; and when the cars were souped up, bordered on being inadequate. The issue of the Ford 427 not being in abundant production, for passenger vehicles, was due to its manufacturing. Over the past couple of years, info has surfaced that the 427 was a complex engine to manufacture when it came to getting the optimum performance out of it; which was one of the reasons Ford promoted the 428 for passenger vehicles, as its design was easier to manufacture.
@@bloqk16 So true. The 427 was meant for racing only. There was not that many elite wealthy that could afford a super car like today. Just read where all of the 2million and up super cars were sold before this year's super car auto show event even started.
A legend is born...the 302. It was made to maximize the allowed displacement for Trans Am racing, and built as the Boss 302 for homologation purposes. Since it was a Windsor block engine, Ford just kept going with it. Even in the late 1970's, with the 302, you were just a good manifold and carburetor away from a good engine! Contrast that with the 305 that GM was putting in everything...an engine that was always crippled by small valves and heads with no intake flow due to the way the heads were ported from the factory.
Thank you Brent for this... I was thinking on how to touch on this in a video... I mena really NERD out on the 302 .. I know very little about the engine hands on.. Somehow i want to touch on this.. Thank you for the insightful info
In all fairness though, the debut of the 302 in SCCA was a disaster. The tunnel port 302 kept blowing up in 68. In 69 they had the boss and in 70 they won it. But then Ford pulled out in 71 which was such a shame. The Boss 351 never truly got to shine and become it’s own legend. And the competition in 71 would have been great with AMC’s Javelin
brother Ted sorry about the late reply .. TH-cam did not send me this.. I have to search for this comments... thank you so much for watching and commenting
My dad was AS National Champion in 1979 in Boss 302 Mustang. Road Atlanta. I was there too! He used Bud Moore engines. This video brings back lots of memories.
wow god bless your pops C cmo... Thank you for this comment wo man you guys had all the fun... City kids like us did not have the resources to get out..We can find a strip club , but nothing cool like what your dad has done.. God bless you and yours
me to brother I have touched on it.. I have to make room to install engine ( where it sits ) or move the car over ( so need to be a on all 4s ) for a second.. I need rear shocks going to price few things and head to the junkyard to check on something.. So i am working on it, but its so choppy and the weather is better , but not where it needs to be.. I am coming with the content Daniel.. That motr has to get in to see where i stand EFI or Carb
@@bstfordchannel923 hey man dont rush your self , I know it's a lot to get to that point , I'm enjoying your content along the way for sure . I'm stalled out on the cowl repair and putting interior back together ," stripped down to bare fire wall rigjt now " so I have a feeling you'll have a engine in your maverick before I have one back in mine lol. Working and paying bills all I'm doing lately .
I read there some cyclones ect he like the Fords, but he switched gears later to a Gm base ( as I read ) Its pretty cool the times.. Now it seems it does have that ( backwoods racing feel ) maybe I am wrong or its a reach, but it doesnt have the spunk
When I lived in NC I got to know a gentleman who raced one of Bub Moores former 67 Trans Am Cougars in the 1968 NASCAR Grand Am series. Bud Moore did not sponsor them but did give them technical assistance.
Good job my friend , this would be a great documentary on any network. This is my favorite time in history had a 70 mach 1 myself in the day 351 shelby springs and sway bars and konie shocks from Meier racing there still in business to this day . Used to it eat up corvettes with that car . The maverick should be fantastic try to lose th mandated bumpers some how it'll help it change direction quicker . God bless you
thank you for this lee i fumble the ball a little with Carrolle.. I am learning my mistake.. I love these times in CAR history You guys had all the cool stuff.. i am working on a few cars 1 is this car here th-cam.com/video/HgQ08CV0-os/w-d-xo.html and another a Maverick.. thank you so much for this comment I really enjoyed it
Carroll Shelby left his involvement with the Mustangs. to go to Europe to handle the SC Cobras, the Daytona coupes, and the GT-40s. because Henry Ford II wanted to beat Enzo Ferrari. because a deal to purchase the Italian car company went sour. and Ford needed Carroll Shelby and his vast knowledge and skills to do it. and that is exactly what they did. in fact Ford GT-40s came in 1st 2nd and 3rd at Le Mans in 1966. Carroll Shelby was the best thing to happen to Ford Motor Company. and Ford Motor Company was the best thing to happen to Carroll Shelby.
Thank you for watching and commenting.. thats what i wanted to show.. The cars where very impressive ( a mans car ) with that rumble you can not beet that Tom
Thank you brother... Some of the info ( i read was off ) year wise... Now the old timers told me some things ... I would like to do another video when they changed it to Big wings ect... But the footage is hard to get ( abc ) mainly speed channel have the footage
It's a shame that we did not embrace SCCA racing, because I feel we lost out on the opportunity to have muscle and pony cars with lower profile, wide tires. The only exception from that era was the Mustang GT in Bullitt. Heck, we embraced NASCAR, and those large beasts had wide wheels and tires all around for handling, but it didn't translate to the showroom.
You are correct on what you where mentionin here Culcune. Wide wheels and all, but the cars look like stuff you can buy vs whats going on now. The aussie did something cool ( The Supper v8s ) , but its not productiob cars ( engine wise ) but the cars outside is ass stock as it can be ( THAT ) should have been Nascar, But nope they made every car look like a Tesla. So we have nothing to vibe with ( as buyers ) and hobbiest .
@@bstfordchannel923 Australians embraced wide wheels and low profile tires all around. They also embraced 4 door muscle cars, with the exception of their very nice looking 2 door Falcon which they had up to 1978 (the 1974 race car in your video) whereas we had the FUGLY Ford muscle cars such as the Gran Torino, and then the Pinto-based Mustang 2 up to 1978. It wasn't until 1982 when Ford had the HO V8 in the Mustang that we had muscle and some semblance of handling, at least out of Ford. GM had their 1982 new-style Camaro and Firebird, not to mention their G-Body kinda muscle cars had some kind of handling.
I will put all those guys together.. i have adhd this video would have been long lol.. I am trying to get solid info.. The internet gives you want they want 9 then you think its true ) until a guy who was there correct ya,.
Bunkie Knudsen also enlisted the help of Smokey Yunick to develop a Cleveland for Indy car racing... needless to say it didn't get finished because Bunkie got fired and the idea was scrapped. One of the prototype engines that Smokey was working on is in a museum in Tennessee... talk about crazy valve angles !...it is the only known survivor of the program....ahh ...what might have been ?!...at least the owner kept it like it should be... unlike the guy who bought the only Chrysler ball stud hemi to exist.....and hacked it !... alright I started ranting ! Great video and story !
thank you SO MUCH for this info... I could not find this info in detail like this..thats why its so cool doing these videos and such.. I am grateful for the info Crekside... I can not get this info no where like this
thank you for watching the video Brent .. I wanted to spin a little something with Moffat Mustang ( very cool car ) very sorry for the mess up on Shelbys name ,but Brent thank you for this comment..
It was great to see him at Waterford road track. Where I grew up watching racing. Formula Ford family but I loved watching A/ sedan. MustangsCameros, and Vettes racing each other around slower classes. Got to see some great driving right there.
I have to bring up Aussie racing I feel that they where very important to racing as a whole.. Very much so that we should have had a race series like this in the states
@@bstfordchannel923 Ian "Pete" Geoghegan won 5 Australian Touring Car Championships, 4 of them in a row in Mustangs (1966 he won with a 1966 Mustang, 1967-1969 he won with a 1967 Mustang). Despite the record of the Moffat Mustang, he did not win the ATCC with that car. He won it with a modified Ford Mustang GTHO Phase III in 1973. In Australia around that time there were two sets of rules for touring cars. The ATCC was run to "improved production" regulations, which allowed some modifications, while the endurance races, particularly the Bathurst 500 (500 miles at that time), which led to Ford, Holden and Valiant (Chrysler) building road cars to homologate for racing. This started in 1967 with the Falcon GT and finishing with the cancellation of the Ford Falcon GTHO Phase 4, after alarmist newspaper reporting and the government getting involved. The ultimate Australian production car racer of the period was the Ford Falcon GTHO Phase 3, powered by the 351 Cleveland. For 1970 Ford wanted to race a car in the ATCC that they actually sold in Australia. They built a couple of "Super Falcons" for Ian Geoghegan and Allan Moffat. The cars were lightened by thinning the panels and drilling holes anywhere they though scrutineers would never see. The engine was a mechanical fuel injected 351 Cleveland of around 600hp. The handling was poor, due to the loss of rigidity. Moffat went back to the Mustang, even trying the engine from the Super Falcon, but that was too heavy for the car balance. Geoghegan continued with his Super Falcon. That car is owned by the same family as the Moffat Mustang. th-cam.com/video/_Ckh20ULsMs/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/-3WkEHAGtj0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/VPiUEacPiFI/w-d-xo.html Geoghegan and Moffat had an epic battle at the 1972 Bathurst ATCC round (sprint race), with Geoghegan taking that car's only win. Due to the "Supercar Scare" the rules for Bathurst were changed to Group C Improved Production in 1973, like the ATCC. The Moffat XB Falcon shown in your video was developed under the new rules to win Bathurst.
Great video Bud Moore was a veteran racer and built some impressive engines that kicked ass and it hurt some competition and it follows on today.The boss motor was something else in motor racing here in touring cars up to V8 Supercars here in Australia 🇦🇺 Now Allan Moffatt Ford Mustang I got a the chance to sit in it at a race meeting due the Targa Tasmania as Fellow ford race car driver Dick Johnson’s 1980 Ford Falcon Nic named tru-blue awesome history,302 boss build for the Maverick I’m picturing it brother but focus on this boss great job man I admire your drive from Noosa Australia 🇦🇺
thank you for this comment sorry i was late to comment.., TH-cam did not send me this ,, I had to go search and double check.. thank you so much for this comment
We have a 1967 cougar it is awesome! Worked on it for many years and was able to drive it to college for a couple weeks. Made some people mad because of the noise! All of the videos of the trans am cougars were great! Dan Gurney drove one too!
man you have a cool ride there.. people do not get these ( I do respect them ) The cougars guy REALLY love there Cougars .. they ant them numbers matching and oem down to the bolts .. Thank you for this comment bro
I read a little about that... They where leaning on him in that way also.. they wanted to use his talents.. Over time he sold the business and never EVEN looked at a Nascar race after that.. The nascar ins and outs are way cooler than I figured
@@bstfordchannel923 Ford were never vary nice about Racing they put up a ton of cash and demanded the guys that Raced brought home wins, if there was not enough winning, Heads rolled. Ford thought any thing can be bought with Cash!
Hi BST Ford Channel - A few comments, Semon Knudsen was a legacy at GM, his father William Knudsen was a brilliant WW II three-star General (logistic - not combat) responsible for war production and had been the president of GM. His son Semon, a innovative MIT graduate engineer was "groomed" for the GM presidency but was "passed-over". Henry Ford II "harvested" him in 1968. Meanwhile at Ford, Lee Iaccoca was in line for Ford's presidency, he was also a genial engineer from Princeton, a "devout" and loyal Ford man, a former "protégé" of Ford's former president, Robert McNamara (before he became the Secretary of Defense). Iaccoca was a star at Ford (and a friend of Carroll Shelby), he knew Ford Motor Company inside-out, brought "new blood" at Ford, the Mustang being his (and Don Frey's) most famous creations but there were others. Knudsen's hiring was a huge blow to "Ford-Blue Iaccoca" and conflicts erupted in the executive part of the company. Shelby was losing control of his modified Mustangs GT-350/500s (his main income) as his "Shelby" Mustang production was moved from Shelby Enterprises to Ford in 1969 where Shelby had little if any inputs. By 1969, Chevrolet was really catching up (and beating Ford with the Z-28s' 302 built from the 327 Chevrolet engine). By 1968, the 289 was obsolete and replaced by the 302 (the SAAC Trans-Am engine limit was 5 Liters i.e. 305). The '68 302 Tunnel Port failed and was replaced by a new design the 302 "Boss" which had modified 351 Cleveland heads. Racing was becoming more scientifically complex and expensive - hence Ford went with Kar Kraft and Bud Moore who would receive all the new goodies from Ford and modified them with the backing of the company's top engineers behind. Cougars being heavier/longer and directed at the "wealthier" sports markets were not as competitive. There was also the feeling that fielding several teams could lead to scarcity of parts, added expenses, and crashes (think about the Circuit Mont-Tremblant, Saint Jovite, Quebec 1969 crash where the Shelby-prepared cars crashed with the Bud Moore-built ones). Bud Moore benefited from the full Ford engineering support, including a few not-so-legal tricks of the trade. The 1969-70 Bud Moore Trans-Am Mustangs are true race cars (roll bars, full-floating rear axle, modified 302 Boss, all-wheel disc brakes, differential cooler, etc...). I lived that era and did my internship at Ford in the summer. Ciao, L
Bunkie Knudsen hated Shelby's guts, that's why Carrol resigned when he did....and there is one, and only one, Shelby Boss 302 GT350, and it was ordered and built for Knudsen...it's been authenticated as a One of One by both Carrol Shelby and Edsel B. Ford II....
listening to this brought ban wonderful memories, I was at the race (7 or 8 years old with 2 mechanics from the UK, my mother's cousin John Leyland and his life ling friend Jimmy Griffin) at Sears Point and I remember the chatter about the tires, Jones was breaking track record after track record after track record only to pit the following lap because the tires were bad...my introduction to car racing and I was a fan ever since...remember the dry spell Ford had?...I was at Sear Point when Tom Gloy took the glory back in a Mustang...then it was T-Birds...then Merkurs...but I never saw the Rousch Cougars that did really well...loved Sears Point, even my wife loved going there with me...
whoa? thats cool man . I really whish they had these around here or maybe spark up something as cool as this was.. You guys had the life David a pure blessing to wintness the coolness that is now lost
@@bstfordchannel923 - I got to hear a lot of chatter at sear point, I remember hearing back and forth with judges, and various teams about the miller mustang, I didn't know what the hoopla was about but I was in the food line and one of the other drivers explained to me that the miller mustang team would over inflate the tires on the car to meet the height requirements, before it went on the track they'd let the air our to get closer to the ground, some of my best conversations were in the food line...LOL
I love to see videos on this iconic Mustang. I own a 2013 Boss302 ,the last true muscle car mustang. It’s great the you keeping a legend alive. Please do a proper video of the 12-13 Boss 302.
thank you for that i am still in learning mode on these videos.. I just hopped in the ring... I giving some love to old school and then bring it to present time.. We tend to look forward in life but we can learn a lot from the pass to move forward properly ( in this car game ) i git you on your request
"Skinny Leaf Springs" = the Bud Moore Trans Am cars had them....little, narrow, custom leaf springs...with spherical bearings in the eyes, instead of bushings and pins...the leaves don't TWIST!
I had an odd Mustang. It was a 69 1/2 Mach 1 Super Cobra jet with the GT package Black with red interior . I was the second owner after it was repossessed by the bank . The original owner actually tried to back over the repo guy. I brought it to a dealer who said everything was original and had every option available. I had a council that had belt holders,a red and blue light that came on when the brakes were touched, arm glove box ash tray and lighted oil and amp gauge. It had two horses in the grill . It also had AM FM stereo with 8 track player . It was a stick with low gears . Top speed about 115. Nice because I'm a driver and not a motor head, but I could drive and I pushed the car to the absolute limit and to the point of risking my life and I didn't care what I did to it. I put it into a full spin at about 90 and topping it running a Porsche Carrera I lifted it full air and it chirped three times before it straightened out. I just had to do what McQueen did . I know why he has a small block to switch from the big block. Handling ❓ with the 428 ❓ No . There were things I liked about the car but not the front end anchor ,and I crushed many oil pans. It was reliable though and learning to skip second gear I could get it to move but not turn without hammering the discs. I learned the hard way that the best motors in the Mustangs had to be the small blocks and McQueen realized that in Bullet . 😎
I am here to learn brother.. I love car deal.. I like hearing from the guys that where there.. and many correct me on the things that was left out.. this is school for me.. I enjoy the olders guys that know this thing in and out ( they are very important ) and i thank you for the support also
Look at the setback they achieved with the engine and transmission at about 8:30 The front edge of the engine block is at or behind the front edges of the tire, it's about 2 feet back from the nose and bumper ! Guess that helped weight distribution a LOT for improved handling.
this does help they still do this todo,, the want the engine set back behind the front wheels , then a optimum balance to 50/50 many wish to have this. so many small details that goes into this
Peter brock is Holden correct.. I am just getting up to speed with that NOW lol.. I do love watching those races they seem more ( something ) to it vs now, but the super V8 you guys have THATs fn cool
@@bstfordchannel923 Oh yeah, I love the V8's today. Do not understand the way people scream about how boring it is. I love it. Even watching the Virtual racing. Cheers
thank you for this Alpha, I am just nerding on on a few subjects... Just giving you guys what i have in my head ( when i read some things ) hard to place thoughts on video.. I am very glad that you commented bro.. we can agree and disagree as men many places you can not do this.. Dudes get to emotional... But i am very happy for your comment and the support brother ( you have no clue ) thank you for the comments and support..
Thanks, He had some epic battles with Peter Brock in a Holden. But they always raced very close and never touched each other. The respect they had for each other was enormous and it was some of the closest racing ever, watch it if you can, an education in respect and hard racing.
yes i seen many races that they could have just been really disrespectful and they ( men about there driving ) they cheat alot ( car wise ) i will speak about that later.. All of them did
By '68 Ford was taking the GT 350-500 away from Shelby. Moore ran the Cougar for Mercury who basically slipped it by Henry II who was so caught up in the politics. Iacooca SHOULD have gotten the position Bunkie got but he had such a great run at GM, who screwed him over, II handed him the keys to the kingdom. Basically Henry did to Iacooca what GM did to Bunkie. As for Bud, you're talking about a solid foundation in NASCAR, which was it's actual Namesake at the time, with a winning record. A team that's already familiar with the equipment, remember, Mercury belonged to Ford and ran the same 302, it was a no brainier.
very true on this great great display on views on this subject.. The things you mentioned was spot on and i enjoyed the read.. I learned a lot for you and others on this Derek and I thank you for this 1 bro
Bud was great at making things turn "left". Shelby wins hands down in all category's. Remember Holman Moody was re-working those 302's after taking delivery from Ford.
Few people remember that the Trans am program at Ford went through some struggles because Ford engineering felt that they had been short changed . So the disastrous 1968 T/A season was pissed away on the engine development of a "tunnel Port 302 racing engine. Shelby trans am mechanics and managers were strictly told to install and race the engines Ford sent to them "As is"! Each weekend of racing provided a bumper crop of blown engines. One Shelby mechanic reported that one of the engines they were told to install "as is" had no rocker arms installed on the heads, when they went to start the engine and it would not crank!
@@fposmith Holman and Moody were the race preparation shop Ford used for the First Mustangs that actually won a race anywhere. Those Mustangs were campaigned by Alan Mann racing of British saloon car racing fame. The basic prep work was done to four pre production Mustang hardtops prior to being sent to England for the Tour D'France endurance race.
Ford didn't "take away" production of the GT350/GT500. There were many problems with the launch of the 1967 Shelby Mustangs. The initial problems began with poorly fitting fiberglass panels. The prototype body shell that was sent to Shelby designers (Ford designers lent to Shelby for the purpose of restyling the Mustang) was not dimensionally correct. So, the parts created were not correct for the production version and could not be easily installed on the line. It was a costly nightmare. A.O Smith company in Ionia Michigan was contracted to receive the incomplete Mustangs and produce the Shelby versions. The panel changes alone created a difficult situation for Shelby American to be the assembly point. Most of the early build 67 Shelby GT's required full repainting to get the color match that any buyer would demand. Some people suspect that the reason for changing the 68 version Shelby Mustangs was because of the problem with the prior effort. The 68 version was postulated to be the internal, closely overseen Ford effort to correct/prevent the problem from repeating. It was, in effect, a Mulligan. The Ford engineer who had the unenviable task of "fixing it" was Fred Goodell. Goodell held the title of Chief Engineer, International Division. He had face to face contact with the Top management. He was tasked with several other things with Shelby like the green Hornet project and others in addition to the 1967 fix.
Sorry sir the car was falcon right had drive.. The Torino was slightly longer ( wheel base wise) but its in the same family.. Thats the Aussie falcon which you have seen
what!!!!! 500 bucks ( wild price ) thats about 2k of now money right? .. Man you guys back then had all the cool stuff.. thats what i enjoy doing the videos... To hear these stories amazing dude
@@bstfordchannel923 All of the 60's Muscle cars were just used cars back then! Today a nice Boss 302 is worth well over $100k. All of my buddies had muscle cars. One had a '69 Super Bee 440 - 6 pack, another a GTO Judge. In 1979, I picked up a Shelby GT 500 for $1500. In all, I bought, traded, and sold about two dozen different Ford and Mercury muscle cars from '72 thru '85. If only I kept just ONE!!!
We only had Fords growing up, Galaxies, Fairlane, T-Birds and F-Series. All of my Dad's trucks were Peterbuilt an Kenworths. So I got to read alot about the old Ford builders and there are others; The Wood Bros, Erie Elliott, Robert Yates, Jack Rousch and man could they build some powerful Fords! Bill Elliott set the Talladaga qualifying speed record at 212 mph!
@@nebrrex6910 Yep... My Bad, I'm getting old :) Besides I was a #28 and #29 Fan, Cale Yarborough, Davie Allison and David Pearson! Oh and #9 Bill Elliott Awesome Bill from Dawsonville :)
@@nebrrex6910 & @Daniel McQueen . . . Good to see you caught that, Nebr Rex, with regards to the NASCAR numbering. From what I recall, Bud Moore used a couple of different car numbers in the 1960s; with settling on #15 for the rest of his run in NASCAR. Remarkable that he stayed active as a team owner until 80+ years in age. The #28 Ford, in the 1960s, was Holman-Moody.
@@bstfordchannel923 - no problem at all. It's your signature now. I was disappointed that you didn't keep the audio outtakes of you trying to find Carroll out of "Carl." It was a great detail. I'm a Ford and Mustang fan- plus a subscriber and fan of your content.👍
I'm surprised that you mentioned AM and his Mustang that raced in the Australian Touring Car Championship, and even more surprised with Dick Johnson's "Greens Tuff" Fox body Grp A Mustang showing up at the end. Maybe this could be a future video subject for you?. Mustang and it's international racing career. Btw the first Touring Car race won by a Mustang happened in Australia in the hands of Ian (Pete) Geohagen in his white 65 GTA.
what was funny.. I change the video mid stream ( adhd ) it did not seem cool enough. I watch the Aussie stuff and REALLY respect what they do and what they have done.. The line-up was Mustang Falcon mad the foxbody ( then I swicthed ) trying to eye up Dick Johnson and the Foxbody then tell his story how he became broke and had to sell his cars ect... I think its a cool story.. people in the states may not relate but being broke we all can relate to that... Thank you for this comment.... Now thank you for the (Pete) Geohagen in his white 65 GTA info i have to check on that and see ho i can angle that in a video..
@@bstfordchannel923 big pete was absolutely the reason why mustang had a name in australian history, absolutely dominated with the help of the shelby parts. Another interesting fact. despite all the media smoke and mirrors of v8 supercars here, their supercar mustang wasnt the first mustang to win a national race since the zakspeed mustangs. Since they're not real production cars and are basically just a rollcage with wheels, it was actually the group 3E mustang gt of ck motorsports in the national australian production cars championship that holds that title. Something the motorsport buffs would only know.
As an Australian motorsports fanatic, I've never seen the footage of moffat with his falcon coupe in the states. Cheers for this, very cool. Its intresting that without the great shelby, mustangs would've never done well in australian racing. And without him leaving the ford stables and craftcar coming in with the boss, then moffat might never have made it big here. Anyways, you want a good ford racing story to folllw up on mate? In Australia we used to have a near production based ute racing series commonly known as thr "brute utes" or the "v8 utes" Anyways, when the coyote made it to our shores in supercharged miami form, the ford ute teams wanted to keep running production engines but couldn't have forced induction. So the sieders racing team went over the the states and organised coyotes to be built for the utes and eventually had a few ready for the season opener at Adelaide in i think 2011. The coyote upgrade was so damn good that every 5.0 powered falcon ute just outright dominated the first two race weekends. The holden boys with their ls3's i think just had nothing on them and the category was forced to have both engine brands be built and sealed to be near equal performance by a fella in brisbane.
Thank you Doug I love to the motorsports abroad .. State siede we have stuff, but you guys really get down with cars.. I enjoy the Super V8s and the old school production improve racing.. I do love and respect hat you guys do over ther
@@bstfordchannel923 here the race i was talking about th-cam.com/video/emr3LEpjdkA/w-d-xo.html The 5.0 coyotes were so good compared to the old 5.4 unit and the holden 6.2
I really enjoyed this post. I love the scenes of Kent Washington. That's my local track. Regarding the Cougars- all else being equal the they were probably at a disadvantage to the Mustangs because having 3-inch longer wheelbase, they were likely not quite as nimble in the corners. The Dodge Challenger had the same disadvantage, being longer compared to the Plymouth Cuda. Mustangs, Camaros , Firebirds and Cudas all had the classic "pony car" 108 inch wheelbase.Javelins had 109, and Cougars had 111 and Challengers had 110 inches. Finally- the Shelby GT350 cars shown never raced in the Trans Am class. They raced in B Production class.
My favorite Camaro is the split bumper ( may do a video on that )... I will do that video on that race there Bryan thank you for this i will give you credit on this one bro... I see that the race series are for the 79 starting year correct? I have to check this out
hi everyone yes I'm late :-) ok but they forgot one thing pertaining to Shelby' s GT 350 AND GT500 the only reason they came about in the first place Henry Ford 2 went to S.C.C.A. wanting to race the mustang they told no it's not a sport's car that pissed Henry Ford off so he went to Carol Shelby and told him I don't care what you have to do I want the Mustang to race in the S.C.C.A. racing so Carol Shelby went to the S.C.C.A. and asked them what he have to do they told to take out the back seat and some other thing's so it could be races in the S.C.C.A. and it got named the G.T.350 then G.T.500 that why he wasn't in to it Henry Ford 2 dump it on him because Henry wanted to race in the S.C.C.A. which was started by and for the people in southern California with MG's Jag' s Porsh etc. for a way to race there car's :-)
brother Cole you are right on time...Yes thats is very very true..Great info and this you can not debate... Shelby ask what it takes to make the Mustang to be a Race Car... They told him the guidelines and they went to work . The rest is history a great sales tool of the time
@@bstfordchannel923 hi and thank you yes it was a great sales tool but a least Henry Ford was interested in racing in his own way untill later in life but the G.T 350 AND G.T 500 do have place in history Ford or Chevy never called the mustang and camero sports car's they said sporty car's but funny first Ford then Chevy races them as such and yah Chrysler tryed with the challenger but Dan Grundy couldn't get better than third place with his (AAR) all American racer challenger well you have a good day brother
@AUTONOMEN x hi guy thank you for you're reply and glad I could put something up for everyone yah the G.T 350 AND the G.T 500 do have place in history our car's our way the American way I hope I brought back some good memories for you well you have a good day me born in the 50's grew up in the 60's 70's :-)
@AUTONOMEN x hi guy I was born Oct. 58 In Santa Monica southern California grew up in Redondo beach CALIFORNIA in north California want to go back to southern California miss it and the beach so bad growing up my dad had a 56's Ford pick up a 50 Ford along with 32's and 34's three windows and Vicky hotrod s with chopped tops and he owned Harley's motor cycle's he all so surfed so did i I had hot rods and at one time a dewey Webber ten foot surf bord plus a custom made Rick James and a quick sliver surf bords well you have a very good day :-)
Interesting how history repeated itself... In the 60s Shelby Cobras and Mustangs gave Ferraris fits and in the 80s the Shelby Omni GLHS gave the VW GTI fits!
Amazing no Mercury now.. Thats by there own doing they could have made cool low priced performance cars Marauder ( proper reboot ) Cyclone maybe even attempt a 2dr truck version of the Mustang ( a REAL Cougar ) that would be something with a more plain for front end.. ( with a 5 speed ) not a 6...they have no vision dude.. And you mention those Omnis they where amazing and fun to see good times gave all cars the fitz
I was lucky enough to see these cars in action. we went to Bryar Motorsport Park (NHIS today) and Lime Rock in 1969, 1970, &1971. I took pictures especially of the Bud Moore 15 & 16. Now I remember two dark blue 1970 Mustangs one was #2 I don't remember the other but they had Shelby markings on them. I got to meet Tasca Ford's driver Dean Gregson and sit in his #28 Mustang.
ok so Shelby did have 2 dark blue 302 boss? I am Car nerding out right now.. ( very grateful ) on this info.. I need the person that was there cause they give no real insight.. any info would be great and THIS was a gem.. Thats why i do the videos to learn
The Deuce constantly fought with Iacocca, and he held God's own grudges against everyone Iacocca was friends with. This explains the later relationships of Shelby and DeTomaso at Chrysler. Iacocca could find markets and get mileage from no resources better than any executive in Detroit for 30 years. When the Mustang was born it was the best marketing tool on wheels, even if a Falcon/Fairlane platform mashup didn't have the best handling, and the 289 was a bit short on power. 15 years later, Iacocca goes to Henry Ford II and tells him he has a great idea for the Fox platform. The Deuce says "I hope your new employer likes it," but probably not as nicely. This is why the Minivan was known as a Chrysler invention instead of Ford. Shelby was loyal to Iacocca, stayed out of the racing program after Dearborn kept undercutting him on the GT 40, and Ford had to skate talent from GM. Knudsen only came over so Ford could get Shinoda (IMHO).
this is why i do video i love the detail and depth on ho you guys look at it.. this is very important to me cause the info ( and the emotion ) it what I need ( its strange recipe ) thats how I roll.. So videos really put a angle on how I will build things... Great info thank you brother thank you
@@bstfordchannel923 I've always felt that Americans really missed out on some epic machinery in the early 70's. By then American cars had really fallen apart and turned to custard, meanwhile the Aussies were really hitting their stride producing proper performance cars, I don't know of anything America was producing in '77 that could touch an A9X Torana lol!
that for sure i like your style... I am putting a bootleg ( 2004 Mach type engine ) in my Crown Victoria check it out when you have some time th-cam.com/video/26rX-MNFUC0/w-d-xo.html
Don't forget that a few years after Lee Iacocca took over Chrysler he and Carroll Shelby reunited and built Shelby Versions of the Charger, Omni and Dakota...
It's puzzling that the narrator references the 1969 season, but illustrates that word with the 1970 Mustangs in the shade of color orange they were for the 1970 season.
@@bstfordchannel923 My apologies for the criticism. But I lived in that era when following motorsports was a near obsession with me. I also attended TransAm races at Laguna Seca (1969-70) and Sears Point (1969). One anecdote I'll pass along to you, since you referenced the TV Speed Channel in your response: I don't recall a single TransAm race, up through 1970, that was ever televised. That was especially puzzling for me back then, as in the US, the ABC-TV Wide World of Sports would occasionally televise auto races, albeit a week late, in its weekly anthology TV sports series program; but not once do I recall they ever televised a TransAm race. It's a shame they never did, as the drama of how Camaro Team Penske's overcame early season setbacks to win the 1969 TransAm series for Chevy . . . at a time when Chevrolet denied doing factory involvement in the race series . . . made the 1969 especially interesting to follow.
Some in the motorsports press in 1969 felt the turning point where the Shelby Mustangs took a nosedive was in the '69 TransAm race at St. Jovite, Canada, where the Shelby Mustangs were wrecked in a racing crash. Afterwards, the Shelby Mustangs were never competitive for the rest of the season, even when one of the cars was driven by Dan Gurney at Laguna Seca (I was there).
THIS is amazing this is what makes this video worth doing,,, The detail and untel that you guys give... I couldnt find that type of info... School is in session for me... thank you for this.. Man you guys did all the cool stuff. all I had was arguing in my household when young no cool things to do ( mentally crippled ) by the bull.. cars and motorcycles was a escape for while ( until the landscape changed ).. Thank you for the info brother
@@bstfordchannel923 I can relate with following automotive stuff as a focus in life, as it was my near-obsession with it as a youth which kept me on the straight-and-narrow. The 1969 Laguna Seca TransAm race was an interesting race that I attended. Parnelli Jones, in the Bud Moore Mustang, walked away from the field at the start, but a group of guys in the crowd that were pulling for Penske's Camaros were anticipating Jones blowing up his Mustang in the race, which was heightened when we saw smoke coming out of the rear of his car; and he didn't disappoint; with him trashing the car's differential. I was standing about 100 feet away when Jones's teammate, George Follmer's Mustang, lost a wheel at over 100 mph and had to park his car for the day. One of the takeaways from that 1969 Laguna Seca TransAm race was my disappointment of Dan Gurney, in a Shelby Mustang, not going at it wheel-to-wheel with the Mark Donohue or Ed Leslie Camaros. The race results shows Gurney in third place; but it didn't appear to be a competitively driven third place . . . as it impressed me, from what I saw, that he was doing all he could to keep the car on the race course and not lose control.
Great video. I think your narrative pretty much summed up the reason for Shelby backing out and Bud Moore taking over. Ford Motor Company politics probably played the biggest part. The Boss 302 Was a complete new engine and Moore was on the ground floor. Shelby had stretched the 289 as far as it would go. Boss 302 to 351C was easier for the team on the ground floor. He Alan Moffit/Australian 302 is awesome.
Thank you for this comment brother... I would never think that peoplethat work for a company and 1 person wanted another person spot ( it would be on the comapanys dime ) Very odd thought pattern... So that those that do this can swoop in and save the day by making a persons idea fail? Very odd politic brother Ford could have been the best ( for a min longer ) but nah ..
And I thank you guys to keep pushing me to the Vics brother Greg... Videos are a little slow I am going through some stuff right now sould searching being a better man...
@@bstfordchannel923 keep on looking up my friend. Was just glad to hear your voice. Knew I was going to learn something. Hope everything works out for you. GOD BLESS.
Shelby team did race Trans-Am in 1969, in a Boss 302, with Dan Gurney and Peter Revson as drivers. Horst Kweck drove too. Cars were dark blue. Revson won at Lime Rock in 69, the last victory for a Shelby team car. So much for your premise.
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Greetings BST Ford Channel,
After reading many of the comments, I decided to add my two cents worth as well without being so rude and insulting because of a mistake.
You mentioned being new to this snake pit know as internet blogs so you should get used to the excessive negativity because unfortunately there are certain individuals that have nothing better to do than go online and harass strangers to make up for their own miserable lives. I’ll most certainly hear from them for calling them out so I say screw the ignorant bastards ! Enough about that.
I definitely enjoyed your video. My racing background is centered around drag racing but I do remember Fords involvement in Trans Am and sports car competition during the late sixties to 1970. The clip you showed a few times during the video of the Mustang in a balls to the wall move by getting sideways and using up the whole track in his successful effort to pass several slower cars was as good as it gets. It took plenty of skill to recover from getting sideways and then boldly passing the others shows the aggressive determination that’s required to be a winner.
The politics of professional Motorsports can get ugly but it has always been part of the big picture. The more recent interviews with people like Shelby and Bud Moore brings the deal making and politics out into the open and helps explain why some of the unexplained or unpopular decisions concerning drivers and teams were made back in the day. In the interviews with prominent people that were so heavily involved with running the show, they have the freedom to talk about what really went down so many decades ago without fear of losing their jobs or worse.
Videos like this are important to help document the history of racing. By knowing the how’s and why’s of the beginning we can better understand where we are today with an informed eye towards the future. As I mentioned previously, I enjoy Ford racing and especially if it involves Mustangs. I was still in high school in 1969 when the first Mach 1’s became available. I always kept the latest car magazines handy so I could read the different drag strip test results when they were published. In 1971 I managed to get my first Mustang. It was a ‘69 Mach 1 with the 428 Cobra Jet with ram air and for the day, it was one of the quickest and fastest production cars available. But that was right at the end of the first generation of muscle cars from Detroit. With increasing government regulations concerning smog, insurance costs going sky high and the greedy Arab OPEC countries creating intentional fuel shortages to screw the world with criminal increases in the price of crude oil, the era of performance automobiles came to a sudden end. The next couple of decades were the worst for car makers and especially for the performance car market.
Fast forward to here and now. Advances in technology and automotive production have created a new generation of performance cars that can be purchased at any dealership and have opened up whole new level of mind boggling performance that would have been considered impossible back when big cubic inch torque monsters ruled the streets and tracks. Ford helped pave the way to performance with their small displacement V-8 engines featuring computer controlled variable cam timing and heavy breathing, highly efficient four cam, 32 valve cylinder heads.
And that reflects back to the awesome performance delivered by the race winning Mustangs in Trans Am and SCCA competition that are featured in this video. Shelby did wonders with the performance of Fords small block “Windsor” engines in Mustangs. The designation of Windsor is used because they were produced in Fords Windsor, Ontario foundry. Ford used the name to distinguish it from their other 351 engine that was from the Cleveland, Ohio foundry. The 351 Cleveland engine became available as an option for the 1970 Mustang. But prior to that, Ford released the Boss 302 engine in a totally unique Boss 302 performance Mustang for the 1969 model year. The two different 351 engines had nothing in common other than the same cubic inch displacement and the same bore centerline dimensions. Needless to say there has been some confusion about the two different engines so to avoid it they are officially designated as 351W and 351C.
The rules for Mustangs in Trans Am competition and all other cars running in the same class limited the engines displacement to 305 cubic inches. Fords small block engine family grew in displacement over the years with the most popular being the 260, 289, 302 and 351W with the most common link between them all being the cylinder heads with a inline valve arrangement. The 351W had and continues to have some success in other forms of racing but the displacement was too large for Trans Am. Ford was seriously committed to winning races in the different forms they supported during the sixties and during the last half of the decade their engineers developed an engine specifically for Trans Am competition. To be eligible for racing they had to build a minimum number of cars to be sold through dealerships to the general public.
That new car was The 1969 Boss 302 Mustang. The Boss 302 engine was radically different from the 302 and 351 Windsor engines. The most obvious difference was the cylinder head design. The heads featured a canted or poly angle valve layout which placed each pair of valves in a staggered arrangement with the intake valves angled toward the intake manifold side and the exhaust valves angled toward the exhaust manifold. This allowed the engineers to use larger valves and valve angles improved the flow velocity in and out of each cylinder. The results were greater flow and improved efficiency which means more power than the limited inline valve design of the Windsor heads.
The Cleveland heads had to be wider to accommodate the valve train and in order for the Boss 302 to fit between the shock towers in the engine bay of the Mustang required the engineers to make some design compromises which had a negative impact on power output. The results were very noticeable for production Boss 302 Mustangs In street trim. The engine felt sluggish at lower rpms
Boss 302 continued....But around 4500 rpms up to the rev limiter factory set around 7000 rpms, the engine came alive in spectacular fashion. But the actual time any street driven engine spends at wide open throttle is very low. When detuned for the street, there simply wasn’t enough cubic inches to take advantage of the free flowing heads. The original Boss 302 heads were cast at the Windsor foundry. For the soon to be released all new 351 Cleveland engine, they moved production of the Boss heads to the Cleveland casting foundry where they were used for the 351 Cleveland 4-V engines with great results thanks to the extra cubic inches.
When the Boss Mustangs were entered in Trans Am competition, they were first modified for serious competition by the talented Ford builders like Bud Moore and Jack Roush. Judging by the strong performances along with a fair share of wins in the record books, there was definitely nothing sluggish about them when they were allowed to perform as intended by the performance engineers at Ford. The 351 Cleveland engines featuring the original Boss 302 head design with specific modifications to maximize their performance potential became one of the most powerful naturally aspirated small block engines ever produced. They were especially successful in Drag Racing where they dominated Pro Stock with several national championship winners in the books.
There’s no denying the amazing technologies that Ford is using currently to produce the most powerful production engines in history. It’s fantastic and the best is yet to come !
But the 50+ year old design of the 351 Cleveland block and heads are still going stronger than ever with several different sources producing improved versions of the original components in aluminum alloy from foundries in the United States 🇺🇸 and Canada 🇨🇦. The new Cleveland alloy blocks have a greatly increased bore and stroke capacity and the alloy heads are available in many versions to suit mild to wild builds. Many of them can be viewed here on TH-cam. One of my favorites is a 461 CLEVOR using an aftermarket Windsor block topped by Aussie Cleveland heads. In naturally aspirated trim with no additional power adders using pump fuel it produced 934 horsepower and 669 lb/ft of torque. Race fuel bumped the dyno up to 979 and 700. Not too shabby for an engine originally designed in the sixties for Trans Am Racing. All of this nostalgic rambling is probably why I’ve owned my current 1970 Mach 1 for 37 years.
Hear me now and believe me later if we meet on the street someday...my old Mustang is also Cleveland powered and it definitely isn’t sluggish. 🏁 ☮️ 🇺🇸
God bless you and yours Daniel ! This comment my god blew me away with the info a tech support.. I took my time and read this whole comment plus the other below..
I came back to Ford cause of a few reasons 1st one is that I got pissed at a Chinese take-out ( they was very nasty to me ) and I started to boycott those places that shared that same energy ( towards me ). Then I was like i am coming back home to Ford ( no karate food ) no Jiu Jitsu cars.. Its a place where I THOUGHT I felt most at home ( it was a lie ) I forced my heart into it ( was not there )
I told a friend of mine I was going to Ford ONLY videos and I told him I had 1,500 subs at the time ( he said no wonder? ) you chose Ford and Ford is crap. people do not like Ford ect ( the people suck ) I was like wow? Ok , but i chose. And I rode it out. I never picked a Ford car the Cars choose me ( sounds odd i know ) . and I had many types of cars except Toyota,Honda, Benz.. I had Saab,Volvo, Vw, Bmw, Nissan, Datsun, Fiat 4dr, 1-Chevy,and Audi. With that said I can say Ford is better car brand. They just make simple mistakes they pick bad CEOs ..Internally everyone is for themselves and trying to out shine ( each other ) with in a company which is very odd.
The detailed info you gave brother made this worth wild.. I love the old school stuff ( so I can get game from the pass ) to add to the future builds. Its like I am starting from scratch ( learning wise ) engine stuff.. done 4 bangers for so long ( need v8 love ). people do the same thing with cars ( in the same way ) This comment you gave helped me on the next THING . Thank you for this comment it well needed during these times
thank you so much for this..
BST Ford Channel your enthusiasm is contagious! I thoroughly enjoyed this video and am looking forward to seeing your next ones. Fantastic post friend, I’m going to subscribe. 2+1 thumbs WAY UP!!👍🏼👍🏼+👍🏼.
Daniel Wilson strong Daniel Wilson! You are so right about the S***bag negative jealous losers that have to try and bring down good posts to make themselves feel better!
Loved your info!
My dad never had any luck w the small block 351(Windsor) tried it a few times. So just stuck w the Bud Moore 302’s.
Boy the memories!👍👍👍
Hearing "Carl" Shelby over and over has given me a twitch that I may never recover from.
So sorry bro ( I f up again ) when I ramble ( Carl comes out ) many guys read from something i just go.. And I very pissed i f this up again. I deserve the name calling and such thats given.. I have to wear that George... Sorry bro
BST Ford Channel lmao
BST
Saying Carl is fine... Its a quick version of a distinct 2 sylables "CARE- OLL"
INDEED 👌🏿!!
Love your videos about bud moore and their story. Back in 65-66 I was blinded by accident . Ford came out with the mustang and couldn't see what the mustang 🐎 looked like. I was 8 years old and drove me crazy wanting to see one. By the grace of God & a very fine DR I got it back mostly and the first thing my dad did was to take me to see the new mustang in 68. I've been in love with her ever since.
thank for this GREAT comment Terry this was so great bro.. i really enjoy this and I see what YOU love the Mustang . the car has a deeper meaning than many. I se a nd feel your passion
I was born in 67. Grew up loving and reading of 60's 70's muscle cars. Saw a few Boss 429 in car shows but never a 302. In 2012 when Boss 302 came back as a revival, I was captivated. Found a 13 Boss, in 17, and never letting it go. A true "road" car. Cheers to Ford, well done "Blue Oval" :-)
---Nice Vid, great to see Allan again. I'm an OZ and remember those great days of racing in Bathurst. As you can see by my thumbnail, i now own a 69 2+2 Sportsroof 351 W+C4. Engine rebuild underway , 60 over, sweet BluePrint heads, 750 cfm Holley, CompCams Thumpr retrofit roller, Hydraulic Rollers, Scorpion rockers, Performer RPM dual plane, Cloyes billet double timing set, DSS Forged Racing slugs... and the list goes on. Total body restoration because it's a rustbucket. Have a spare 1985 302 converted to Carb from EFI for tinkering and testing. These engines are easy to repair, pump up and start. Happy tuning mate.
man this was some great info I may have to copy this recipe Chris Allan Moffat see like a very cool guy.. a dang good driver
Here some more information, this summarizes what I read on the subject years ago:
After being screwed over, Shelby lost interest in the Ford deal by 1969. Both racing and building cars with his name on them were cancelled, as per his request. This was from an exposé in a 1969 automotive publication. Also, Ford was very adept at building performance cars by then, and didn't need his help anymore. Other Ford super-powers in the racing world had picked up where Shelby left off; e.g. Bud Moore, Holman-Moody, etc.
What I recall reading in some period publications of the day, the Mercury deal was cancelled by Ford. They wanted the Mustang to win races, not so much Cougar. The Mercury team over-achieved, and it didn't make sense for them to compete against each other, so Ford cut them.
The disastrous multi-car pile up at the St. Jovite Trans Am race of 3/8/1969, is what pretty much cost Ford the 1969 season. They never recovered from that.
Before the 1970 season, Ford slashed their racing budget in both NASCAR and Manufacturer's Cup Trans Am series, so only 1 team for the Trans Am series continued to receive support. After the 1970 season the only racing they continued to support, was a couple of classes in drag racing.
god bless you for this info... i could NOT find this type of info so i was right, but YOU gave it very good detail... i was just going by what made sense , but you gave a ( solid insightful ) read brother... I thank you for this.. I am very grateful.. you guys are my teachers and i really enjoyed being home school by you guys... Thank you for this 1 brother
I remember seeing Alan Moffat race the Coke Mustang in Adelaide South Australia, still sends shivers down my spine. What a beautiful weapon it was/is still.
Wow you where there.. Dereck i just watch high-light reels on him ( thats as close i can get ) .. Moffat seem so disappointed when he drove the rx7. The Fords is what he loved it seems.. I will say he was the best Falcon driver ever ... from what I have watched...The man was serious about driving. Thank you for this comment Dereck
I was watching him at Oran Park and Warwick Farm. He was simply GOD as far as this 12-yr-old was concerned. I still think it was the most beautiful car ever made.
Excellent content. As an owner of a 1970 Boss 302 I really appreciate your effort.
I second this comment
thank you for this.. I wanted to share some things i was reading and views of the car in pass motor sports usage .. Now you have 1 so you know 1st hand what is all about in ( normal driving ) so you have way more insight than me.. many of you guys do..And i thank you for keeping that car loved brother Jim
You got to love the Australian people they are awesome love the video keep up the good work man
The Kiwi love the hp you have to respect them its amazing how they do things BIG with no games!
Shelby could have been competitive, especially coming off of the Cobra Daytona and GT 40 programs and their famous successes. But I think he was tired of the mad scramble, the corporate wrangling and herding of cats, and he needed a break from it - and his heart condition didn't help matters one bit. I think it's fortunate that he bowed out, because all of the pressure of a new race team with the expectation of classic Shelby victories very well could have killed him.
I can see that point.. So much pressure.. Its like you hired me to do a job, but you are not letting do the job you are hiring me for... I can really see that angle ( and thats a real common man issue ) times 30 for the money Shelby was dealing with.. this was a a very insightful spin on this subject Matt.. Very spot on
What are humble Legend rest in peace Shelby
Yes sir.. You can say that again
Bud Moore was a master mechanic, engineer, and car builder. He had tremendous success in NASCAR and Trans Am racing. As a kid growing up in the sixties and seventies in Spartanburg SC , I remember riding past his shop on numerous occasions and seeing many cool cars in the parking lot , including one of these 1970 Trans am Mustangs
This was such good content. Very interesting historical perspective.
Love to see the Aussie falcon race car test in Michigan 👍👍🏁
thank you for this... I wanted to do a 302 video on the same subject matter. The Aussie cars are very important Ford and those that just enjoy racing... Thank you for this comment and the support
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Mad Max!!! That movie introduced most of us American kids to those cars back then, most of us had no clue that Australia built cars like that.
That test track is Waterford. Where I grew up. My family raced Formula Ford which were Cortina engines in a Indu looking car. But I loved A-B sedan racing which was Mustangs Cameros Corvettes.
Dick Johnson ran that little green Mustang for two years at Bathurst for a 4th placing and 7th placing; quite impressive for a privateer running against factory teams in such a gruelling race.
That out of control overtaking move at 2:40, plus repeats!
That was a bad ass MOVE right JJ !! I had to do it on repeat
JJ Mac that's the essence of old school racing right there, do what it takes to win!
Anybody know who was piloting that rocket?
That was crazy. I think he lost it, caught it and somehow kept it out of trouble into the curve for the pass and the win.
I saw a video recently of a guy driving a subaru like that in a series in western Australia called improved production.
Little fella was in full send mode and took to the dirt to make a pass on a lapped car.
And unbelievably, theres a bunch of comments complaining about the pass, like what?
It was crazy and he had the balls to just through his car off thr road to avoid contact or smashing the brakes.
Even the armchair racers these days have lost their gonads
Love the 69 fastback/sportsroof body. I had a 69 with rare option vinyl top. My father has it and did a complete restoration.
Wow I know pops put a lot of COIN in that... It was well worth it I will say that..
This is a perfect example of why family business is very rarely run past two generations. Shelby is a God!
agreed family is the 1st to f ya ( all the time ).. Your enemy can be your best friend cause he or she will prove there loyalty . Verse a friend that NEVER been your enemy. Thus to your point bro... Spot on
Had a 64 galaxy w/ the 390 and that car ran amazing, beat the hell out of it in my 20s.
man i wanted one of those rides... The galaxy is a sweet ride.. I have to many unfinished cars NO room for nothing else.. great story bro
That footage of the wild and crazy pass on the inside heading into the corner was incredible! I really enjoy the vintage "skunk works" stories between rival manufacturers and teams. Cutting edge developments going on at a furious pace. Thanks for posting this!
I lost my breath when I saw that.... I saw footage once of Micky Thompson's Mach 1 Getting sideways, at speed, at the top end of the drag strip....and the driver reeled it in perfectly.
thank you for watching this video Kei Fab.. I watch those video to on the Vintage Japanese stuff also..How they say the jdm style is really a American style. They just went over there they put there spin on it and brought it back to the states ( very odd )... Now that pass in the dirt ( CLEAN bro ) I feel Shelby drivers where are as good as Bud Moores ( just me guessing ).. Thank you for comment brother i enjoyed it!
I believe that was PJ?
@@flat6fever680 Yup that was him.............."If you've never been out of control during a race then you probably aren't trying hard enough" - Rufus Parnell (Parnelli) Jones
From a 60 yr old Maverick enthusiast, best regards with your build.
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Love the channel, Blue Oval all day.
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Hey man, thanks for including the Australian connection in your videos. Dick Johnson and Allan Moffat are racing royalty down here.
thank you for understanding the connection... The Aussie mean a lot in this car game ( people do not like to add them ) but i respect what they have put down ( to this day ) god bless you and yours
Excellent work on this. I have owned 3 Mustangs and 1 Comet. I raced one Mustang for 5 years. I learned a lot watching this video.
Thank you 👍
thank you for racing brother.. what you have done has inspired someone indirectly .. And i thank you for commenting and supporting Elon
Bro you haven’t raced the model S??????? Slacking as a CEO my boi
I vintaged raced a 1967 Mercury Cougar for eight years. It ran on the West Coast (professionally) for a few years in 1967-1968. When I restored it for vintage racing (in the early 90's) it still had the tunnelport 302 in it. It ran pretty strong for a stock (circa 1967) motor, but it was fraught with engine flaws. After a few years I noticed most of the "vintage" cars became mush faster as everyone was building cheater motors. It just became too expensive so I sold the Cougar. It sure was fun to drive. Bud Moore certainly did a great job with the cougar and basically lost the 1967 season on the last race of the season to the Mustang. Bud Moore made a great move and tuned the Boss 302 to perfection in the next few years.
i have been blessed with this comment Gary. thank you for this i read this twice ( i felt i was there ) Thats the part that Shelby did not like about racing in the series ( you got a taste of that ) in the 90s I see when being a privateer in this race ( new or old ) you need money to compete and you have to be crafty . I wish nascar of the now would take each team and have then build a car of yester year no they can have the feel of what the guys in past drove . They can do 5 races with these oldie rides and the seats will be PACKED and online coverage would be crazy ( I said this 1 st ) thank you for your comment Gary
Tunnel port in 67 ?
Great job. Carroll for a guy is not natural.
Great video, it's about the cars and racing history. Carl sounds better anyway. 😂
you are god sent brother ( i know i blundered ) but i am so grateful for this comment. God bless you and yours during these time Cliff.. Thank you for the support brother.. thank you so much
“Carl” really?! Imma head out.
Sorry dude , but thank you for the short stay bro ( I f up the name again ) sorry for that.. I am still learning the internet thing
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Never understood why the 302 instead of 427 in that NASCAR Stang. They did build one Shelby 427 GT/500 for the public called the Super Snake. Most GT/500 came with a mild 428. Started my Crown Vic front assembly swap into my 1972 F100 Short Bed last week. Pulled the FE360 and C6, entire doghouse in 2 days. Removed the twin I-beam and cut the cross member day 3. Took 2 days to box the frame and hook up the Crown Vic. Still working on steering today. Fe will go back in with new Performer RPM intake and Performer 600 carb. Will get an MSD ignition upgrade also. Had to fix the truck before I can start my Maverick project. Dammit!
I never understood until the weight came into play... its trans am racing so the car has to be nibble a bit.. 302 was a perfect thing UNTIL . Even they used 351c so those where small blocks still.. its the weight I bet.. Now you are building something over there.. trust me you will get your maverick done before mine lo. that truck sound dope and its coming along nice i see.. I have to clean garage up so once i get the flow clean and old parts UN-wanted out then i can start putting this thing together.. Thank you for this cause this will help get going to what i need to do..
@L Twig . . . what BST Ford Channel says about the weight issue was valid, indeed. Brakes were an issue back in the 1960s; where they were marginal for passenger vehicles; and when the cars were souped up, bordered on being inadequate.
The issue of the Ford 427 not being in abundant production, for passenger vehicles, was due to its manufacturing. Over the past couple of years, info has surfaced that the 427 was a complex engine to manufacture when it came to getting the optimum performance out of it; which was one of the reasons Ford promoted the 428 for passenger vehicles, as its design was easier to manufacture.
@@bloqk16 So true. The 427 was meant for racing only. There was not that many elite wealthy that could afford a super car like today. Just read where all of the 2million and up super cars were sold before this year's super car auto show event even started.
A legend is born...the 302. It was made to maximize the allowed displacement for Trans Am racing, and built as the Boss 302 for homologation purposes. Since it was a Windsor block engine, Ford just kept going with it. Even in the late 1970's, with the 302, you were just a good manifold and carburetor away from a good engine! Contrast that with the 305 that GM was putting in everything...an engine that was always crippled by small valves and heads with no intake flow due to the way the heads were ported from the factory.
Thank you Brent for this... I was thinking on how to touch on this in a video... I mena really NERD out on the 302 .. I know very little about the engine hands on.. Somehow i want to touch on this.. Thank you for the insightful info
In all fairness though, the debut of the 302 in SCCA was a disaster. The tunnel port 302 kept blowing up in 68. In 69 they had the boss and in 70 they won it. But then Ford pulled out in 71 which was such a shame. The Boss 351 never truly got to shine and become it’s own legend. And the competition in 71 would have been great with AMC’s Javelin
Great video thanks for sharing. I love watching and learning about Ford racing history.
brother Ted sorry about the late reply .. TH-cam did not send me this.. I have to search for this comments... thank you so much for watching and commenting
Love the Mustang and Ford/Mercury racing!
me to bro I love the racing back then
My dad was AS National Champion in 1979 in Boss 302 Mustang. Road Atlanta. I was there too! He used Bud Moore engines. This video brings back lots of memories.
wow god bless your pops C cmo... Thank you for this comment wo man you guys had all the fun... City kids like us did not have the resources to get out..We can find a strip club , but nothing cool like what your dad has done.. God bless you and yours
Your dad was Danny Moore? Freakin legend in Southwest SCCA.
I like it when you do high lights on Mercury. It was like nobody cared when they got the axe.
These cars ment something the Mustang craze is still present today. Nobody cars about the OTHER Fords Ronin. Ford has more than Mustangs
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Agreed! It’s like the Cyclones never existed. There’s a low mileage 93 Cougar XR7 in my area that looks oh so tempting. Great video
That merc is awesome! Their final swan song was the supercharged Marauder, one of the last great American cars. Then, they were gone...
I definitely like certain models of Mustang, but there’s also SO many of them it’s nice to see Cougars, Fairlanes, and Torinos.
I like the "big" cougar from 71 and up.
Looking forward to seeing the 302 in its home in the maverick
I second this 1. I can not wait to that running
me to brother I have touched on it.. I have to make room to install engine ( where it sits ) or move the car over ( so need to be a on all 4s ) for a second.. I need rear shocks going to price few things and head to the junkyard to check on something.. So i am working on it, but its so choppy and the weather is better , but not where it needs to be.. I am coming with the content Daniel.. That motr has to get in to see where i stand EFI or Carb
@@bstfordchannel923 hey man dont rush your self , I know it's a lot to get to that point , I'm enjoying your content along the way for sure .
I'm stalled out on the cowl repair and putting interior back together ," stripped down to bare fire wall rigjt now " so I have a feeling you'll have a engine in your maverick before I have one back in mine lol.
Working and paying bills all I'm doing lately .
I loved the styling of the 69 Mustangs and the racers were sexy!
me to I like them a lot
I also believe Bud Moore also used several Mercurys on NASCAR back in the day...
I read there some cyclones ect he like the Fords, but he switched gears later to a Gm base ( as I read ) Its pretty cool the times.. Now it seems it does have that ( backwoods racing feel ) maybe I am wrong or its a reach, but it doesnt have the spunk
No it's not the same as it was back in the day..
When I lived in NC I got to know a gentleman who raced one of Bub Moores former 67 Trans Am Cougars in the 1968 NASCAR Grand Am series. Bud Moore did not sponsor them but did give them technical assistance.
Good job my friend , this would be a great documentary on any network. This is my favorite time in history had a 70 mach 1 myself in the day 351 shelby springs and sway bars and konie shocks from Meier racing there still in business to this day . Used to it eat up corvettes with that car . The maverick should be fantastic try to lose th mandated bumpers some how it'll help it change direction quicker . God bless you
thank you for this lee i fumble the ball a little with Carrolle.. I am learning my mistake.. I love these times in CAR history You guys had all the cool stuff.. i am working on a few cars 1 is this car here th-cam.com/video/HgQ08CV0-os/w-d-xo.html and another a Maverick.. thank you so much for this comment I really enjoyed it
Carroll Shelby left his involvement with the Mustangs. to go to Europe to handle the SC Cobras, the Daytona coupes, and the GT-40s. because Henry Ford II wanted to beat Enzo Ferrari. because a deal to purchase the Italian car company went sour. and Ford needed Carroll Shelby and his vast knowledge and skills to do it. and that is exactly what they did. in fact Ford GT-40s came in 1st 2nd and 3rd at Le Mans in 1966. Carroll Shelby was the best thing to happen to Ford Motor Company. and Ford Motor Company was the best thing to happen to Carroll Shelby.
Really enjoyed this, thank you!
Those OHV race small blocks were impressive even today💪💪😎🇺🇸
Thank you for watching and commenting.. thats what i wanted to show.. The cars where very impressive ( a mans car ) with that rumble you can not beet that Tom
Keep on killin it!
Good job.
Thank you brother... Some of the info ( i read was off ) year wise... Now the old timers told me some things ... I would like to do another video when they changed it to Big wings ect... But the footage is hard to get ( abc ) mainly speed channel have the footage
It's a shame that we did not embrace SCCA racing, because I feel we lost out on the opportunity to have muscle and pony cars with lower profile, wide tires. The only exception from that era was the Mustang GT in Bullitt. Heck, we embraced NASCAR, and those large beasts had wide wheels and tires all around for handling, but it didn't translate to the showroom.
You are correct on what you where mentionin here Culcune. Wide wheels and all, but the cars look like stuff you can buy vs whats going on now.
The aussie did something cool ( The Supper v8s ) , but its not productiob cars ( engine wise ) but the cars outside is ass stock as it can be ( THAT ) should have been Nascar, But nope they made every car look like a Tesla. So we have nothing to vibe with ( as buyers ) and hobbiest .
@@bstfordchannel923 Australians embraced wide wheels and low profile tires all around. They also embraced 4 door muscle cars, with the exception of their very nice looking 2 door Falcon which they had up to 1978 (the 1974 race car in your video) whereas we had the FUGLY Ford muscle cars such as the Gran Torino, and then the Pinto-based Mustang 2 up to 1978. It wasn't until 1982 when Ford had the HO V8 in the Mustang that we had muscle and some semblance of handling, at least out of Ford. GM had their 1982 new-style Camaro and Firebird, not to mention their G-Body kinda muscle cars had some kind of handling.
@@culcune All true well written culcune
No mention of Dan Gurney or the Boss 302 in the Cougar Eliminator.
I will put all those guys together.. i have adhd this video would have been long lol.. I am trying to get solid info.. The internet gives you want they want 9 then you think its true ) until a guy who was there correct ya,.
Bunkie Knudsen also enlisted the help of Smokey Yunick to develop a Cleveland for Indy car racing... needless to say it didn't get finished because Bunkie got fired and the idea was scrapped. One of the prototype engines that Smokey was working on is in a museum in Tennessee... talk about crazy valve angles !...it is the only known survivor of the program....ahh ...what might have been ?!...at least the owner kept it like it should be... unlike the guy who bought the only Chrysler ball stud hemi to exist.....and hacked it !... alright I started ranting ! Great video and story !
thank you SO MUCH for this info... I could not find this info in detail like this..thats why its so cool doing these videos and such.. I am grateful for the info Crekside... I can not get this info no where like this
That was really cool, thanks for posting this! I have never seen that bit with Moffat in his Falcon, that was awesome!
thank you for watching the video Brent .. I wanted to spin a little something with Moffat Mustang ( very cool car ) very sorry for the mess up on Shelbys name ,but Brent thank you for this comment..
It was great to see him at Waterford road track. Where I grew up watching racing. Formula Ford family but I loved watching A/ sedan. MustangsCameros, and Vettes racing each other around slower classes. Got to see some great driving right there.
This is GREAT VIDEO. can not wait for the comments
thank you for the support as always... this mean a lot bro!
Did you say "I ain't got time, I'm going to Africa " ? Slick Chappelle reference lol.
You are only one that got that lol
@@bstfordchannel923 same wave my brotha same wave.
@@smrsocmoneyracing2552 lmao right on
Nice thanks for bringing up the falcons . Allan's falcons an xb gt love it that's the year I was born sweet man sweet love what you do.
I have to bring up Aussie racing I feel that they where very important to racing as a whole.. Very much so that we should have had a race series like this in the states
@@bstfordchannel923 Ian "Pete" Geoghegan won 5 Australian Touring Car Championships, 4 of them in a row in Mustangs (1966 he won with a 1966 Mustang, 1967-1969 he won with a 1967 Mustang).
Despite the record of the Moffat Mustang, he did not win the ATCC with that car. He won it with a modified Ford Mustang GTHO Phase III in 1973.
In Australia around that time there were two sets of rules for touring cars. The ATCC was run to "improved production" regulations, which allowed some modifications, while the endurance races, particularly the Bathurst 500 (500 miles at that time), which led to Ford, Holden and Valiant (Chrysler) building road cars to homologate for racing.
This started in 1967 with the Falcon GT and finishing with the cancellation of the Ford Falcon GTHO Phase 4, after alarmist newspaper reporting and the government getting involved. The ultimate Australian production car racer of the period was the Ford Falcon GTHO Phase 3, powered by the 351 Cleveland.
For 1970 Ford wanted to race a car in the ATCC that they actually sold in Australia. They built a couple of "Super Falcons" for Ian Geoghegan and Allan Moffat. The cars were lightened by thinning the panels and drilling holes anywhere they though scrutineers would never see. The engine was a mechanical fuel injected 351 Cleveland of around 600hp.
The handling was poor, due to the loss of rigidity. Moffat went back to the Mustang, even trying the engine from the Super Falcon, but that was too heavy for the car balance. Geoghegan continued with his Super Falcon. That car is owned by the same family as the Moffat Mustang.
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Geoghegan and Moffat had an epic battle at the 1972 Bathurst ATCC round (sprint race), with Geoghegan taking that car's only win.
Due to the "Supercar Scare" the rules for Bathurst were changed to Group C Improved Production in 1973, like the ATCC.
The Moffat XB Falcon shown in your video was developed under the new rules to win Bathurst.
Great video Bud Moore was a veteran racer and built some impressive engines that kicked ass and it hurt some competition and it follows on today.The boss motor was something else in motor racing here in touring cars up to V8 Supercars here in Australia 🇦🇺 Now Allan Moffatt Ford Mustang I got a the chance to sit in it at a race meeting due the Targa Tasmania as Fellow ford race car driver Dick Johnson’s 1980 Ford Falcon Nic named tru-blue awesome history,302 boss build for the Maverick I’m picturing it brother but focus on this boss great job man I admire your drive from Noosa Australia 🇦🇺
thank you for this comment sorry i was late to comment.., TH-cam did not send me this ,, I had to go search and double check.. thank you so much for this comment
@@bstfordchannel923 all good
We have a 1967 cougar it is awesome! Worked on it for many years and was able to drive it to college for a couple weeks. Made some people mad because of the noise! All of the videos of the trans am cougars were great! Dan Gurney drove one too!
man you have a cool ride there.. people do not get these ( I do respect them ) The cougars guy REALLY love there Cougars .. they ant them numbers matching and oem down to the bolts .. Thank you for this comment bro
@@bstfordchannel923 Thanks for the compliment! And your right, I wouldn't trade my Cougar for anything! Keep up the cool videos!
Bud Moore must have had a similar deal as the Wood Brothers had with FoMoCo in NASCAR back in the day..
I read a little about that... They where leaning on him in that way also.. they wanted to use his talents.. Over time he sold the business and never EVEN looked at a Nascar race after that.. The nascar ins and outs are way cooler than I figured
@@bstfordchannel923 Ford were never vary nice about Racing they put up a ton of cash and demanded the guys that Raced brought home wins, if there was not enough winning, Heads rolled. Ford thought any thing can be bought with Cash!
Hi BST Ford Channel - A few comments, Semon Knudsen was a legacy at GM, his father William Knudsen was a brilliant WW II three-star General (logistic - not combat) responsible for war production and had been the president of GM. His son Semon, a innovative MIT graduate engineer was "groomed" for the GM presidency but was "passed-over". Henry Ford II "harvested" him in 1968. Meanwhile at Ford, Lee Iaccoca was in line for Ford's presidency, he was also a genial engineer from Princeton, a "devout" and loyal Ford man, a former "protégé" of Ford's former president, Robert McNamara (before he became the Secretary of Defense). Iaccoca was a star at Ford (and a friend of Carroll Shelby), he knew Ford Motor Company inside-out, brought "new blood" at Ford, the Mustang being his (and Don Frey's) most famous creations but there were others. Knudsen's hiring was a huge blow to "Ford-Blue Iaccoca" and conflicts erupted in the executive part of the company.
Shelby was losing control of his modified Mustangs GT-350/500s (his main income) as his "Shelby" Mustang production was moved from Shelby Enterprises to Ford in 1969 where Shelby had little if any inputs.
By 1969, Chevrolet was really catching up (and beating Ford with the Z-28s' 302 built from the 327 Chevrolet engine). By 1968, the 289 was obsolete and replaced by the 302 (the SAAC Trans-Am engine limit was 5 Liters i.e. 305). The '68 302 Tunnel Port failed and was replaced by a new design the 302 "Boss" which had modified 351 Cleveland heads. Racing was becoming more scientifically complex and expensive - hence Ford went with Kar Kraft and Bud Moore who would receive all the new goodies from Ford and modified them with the backing of the company's top engineers behind. Cougars being heavier/longer and directed at the "wealthier" sports markets were not as competitive. There was also the feeling that fielding several teams could lead to scarcity of parts, added expenses, and crashes (think about the Circuit Mont-Tremblant, Saint Jovite, Quebec 1969 crash where the Shelby-prepared cars crashed with the Bud Moore-built ones). Bud Moore benefited from the full Ford engineering support, including a few not-so-legal tricks of the trade. The 1969-70 Bud Moore Trans-Am Mustangs are true race cars (roll bars, full-floating rear axle, modified 302 Boss, all-wheel disc brakes, differential cooler, etc...).
I lived that era and did my internship at Ford in the summer. Ciao, L
thank you for this very great comment very much worth the wait.. thank you for this
Bunkie Knudsen hated Shelby's guts, that's why Carrol resigned when he did....and there is one, and only one, Shelby Boss 302 GT350, and it was ordered and built for Knudsen...it's been authenticated as a One of One by both Carrol Shelby and Edsel B. Ford II....
listening to this brought ban wonderful memories, I was at the race (7 or 8 years old with 2 mechanics from the UK, my mother's cousin John Leyland and his life ling friend Jimmy Griffin) at Sears Point and I remember the chatter about the tires, Jones was breaking track record after track record after track record only to pit the following lap because the tires were bad...my introduction to car racing and I was a fan ever since...remember the dry spell Ford had?...I was at Sear Point when Tom Gloy took the glory back in a Mustang...then it was T-Birds...then Merkurs...but I never saw the Rousch Cougars that did really well...loved Sears Point, even my wife loved going there with me...
whoa? thats cool man . I really whish they had these around here or maybe spark up something as cool as this was.. You guys had the life David a pure blessing to wintness the coolness that is now lost
@@bstfordchannel923 - I got to hear a lot of chatter at sear point, I remember hearing back and forth with judges, and various teams about the miller mustang, I didn't know what the hoopla was about but I was in the food line and one of the other drivers explained to me that the miller mustang team would over inflate the tires on the car to meet the height requirements, before it went on the track they'd let the air our to get closer to the ground, some of my best conversations were in the food line...LOL
I love to see videos on this iconic Mustang. I own a 2013 Boss302 ,the last true muscle car mustang. It’s great the you keeping a legend alive. Please do a proper video of the 12-13 Boss 302.
thank you for that i am still in learning mode on these videos.. I just hopped in the ring... I giving some love to old school and then bring it to present time.. We tend to look forward in life but we can learn a lot from the pass to move forward properly ( in this car game ) i git you on your request
Check out my channel to see my Boss. I’m not a big blogger but I do enjoy my car.
"Skinny Leaf Springs" = the Bud Moore Trans Am cars had them....little, narrow, custom leaf springs...with spherical bearings in the eyes, instead of bushings and pins...the leaves don't TWIST!
I had an odd Mustang. It was a 69 1/2 Mach 1 Super Cobra jet with the GT package Black with red interior . I was the second owner after it was repossessed by the bank . The original owner actually tried to back over the repo guy. I brought it to a dealer who said everything was original and had every option available. I had a council that had belt holders,a red and blue light that came on when the brakes were touched, arm glove box ash tray and lighted oil and amp gauge. It had two horses in the grill . It also had AM FM stereo with 8 track player . It was a stick with low gears . Top speed about 115. Nice because I'm a driver and not a motor head, but I could drive and I pushed the car to the absolute limit and to the point of risking my life and I didn't care what I did to it. I put it into a full spin at about 90 and topping it running a Porsche Carrera I lifted it full air and it chirped three times before it straightened out. I just had to do what McQueen did . I know why he has a small block to switch from the big block. Handling ❓ with the 428 ❓ No . There were things I liked about the car but not the front end anchor ,and I crushed many oil pans. It was reliable though and learning to skip second gear I could get it to move but not turn without hammering the discs. I learned the hard way that the best motors in the Mustangs had to be the small blocks and McQueen realized that in Bullet . 😎
Love your videos man. You can really get a feel for your passion as you narrate- Keep up the great work!
I am here to learn brother.. I love car deal.. I like hearing from the guys that where there.. and many correct me on the things that was left out.. this is school for me.. I enjoy the olders guys that know this thing in and out ( they are very important ) and i thank you for the support also
That Alan Moffat 69 Mustang is pure magic.
it is a sweet machine
Look at the setback they achieved with the engine and transmission at about 8:30 The front edge of the engine block is at or behind the front edges of the tire, it's about 2 feet back from the nose and bumper ! Guess that helped weight distribution a LOT for improved handling.
this does help they still do this todo,, the want the engine set back behind the front wheels , then a optimum balance to 50/50 many wish to have this. so many small details that goes into this
As a youngster I always loved watching Bathurst and watched all of Alan Moffat's wins. The races between him and Peter Brock were just awesome.
Peter brock is Holden correct.. I am just getting up to speed with that NOW lol.. I do love watching those races they seem more ( something ) to it vs now, but the super V8 you guys have THATs fn cool
@@bstfordchannel923 Oh yeah, I love the V8's today. Do not understand the way people scream about how boring it is. I love it. Even watching the Virtual racing. Cheers
Good topic..i think shelby won out..i mean shelby stangs are considered top of the model..boss is 2nd and sometimes 3rd ..best ford channel..
This was a great topic video. I second this comment
thank you for this Alpha, I am just nerding on on a few subjects... Just giving you guys what i have in my head ( when i read some things ) hard to place thoughts on video.. I am very glad that you commented bro.. we can agree and disagree as men many places you can not do this.. Dudes get to emotional... But i am very happy for your comment and the support brother ( you have no clue ) thank you for the comments and support..
Keep up the good videos and I am just waiting to see what's going on with the Maverick you got me motivated again and many others. Way to go
thank you for this William even this comment helps me.. I am glad I can inspire even just a little bit brother... Thank you for the support
Thanks, He had some epic battles with Peter Brock in a Holden. But they always raced very close and never touched each other. The respect they had for each other was enormous and it was some of the closest racing ever, watch it if you can, an education in respect and hard racing.
yes i seen many races that they could have just been really disrespectful and they ( men about there driving ) they cheat alot ( car wise ) i will speak about that later.. All of them did
By '68 Ford was taking the GT 350-500 away from Shelby. Moore ran the Cougar for Mercury who basically slipped it by Henry II who was so caught up in the politics. Iacooca SHOULD have gotten the position Bunkie got but he had such a great run at GM, who screwed him over, II handed him the keys to the kingdom. Basically Henry did to Iacooca what GM did to Bunkie. As for Bud, you're talking about a solid foundation in NASCAR, which was it's actual Namesake at the time, with a winning record. A team that's already familiar with the equipment, remember, Mercury belonged to Ford and ran the same 302, it was a no brainier.
very true on this great great display on views on this subject.. The things you mentioned was spot on and i enjoyed the read.. I learned a lot for you and others on this Derek and I thank you for this 1 bro
Bud was great at making things turn "left". Shelby wins hands down in all category's. Remember Holman Moody was re-working those 302's after taking delivery from Ford.
Few people remember that the Trans am program at Ford went through some struggles because Ford engineering felt that they had been short changed . So the disastrous 1968 T/A season was pissed away on the engine development of a "tunnel Port 302 racing engine. Shelby trans am mechanics and managers were strictly told to install and race the engines Ford sent to them "As is"! Each weekend of racing provided a bumper crop of blown engines. One Shelby mechanic reported that one of the engines they were told to install "as is" had no rocker arms installed on the heads, when they went to start the engine and it would not crank!
@@fposmith Holman and Moody were the race preparation shop Ford used for the First Mustangs that actually won a race anywhere. Those Mustangs were campaigned by Alan Mann racing of British saloon car racing fame. The basic prep work was done to four pre production Mustang hardtops prior to being sent to England for the Tour D'France endurance race.
Ford didn't "take away" production of the GT350/GT500. There were many problems with the launch of the 1967 Shelby Mustangs. The initial problems began with poorly fitting fiberglass panels. The prototype body shell that was sent to Shelby designers (Ford designers lent to Shelby for the purpose of restyling the Mustang) was not dimensionally correct. So, the parts created were not correct for the production version and could not be easily installed on the line. It was a costly nightmare.
A.O Smith company in Ionia Michigan was contracted to receive the incomplete Mustangs and produce the Shelby versions. The panel changes alone created a difficult situation for Shelby American to be the assembly point. Most of the early build 67 Shelby GT's required full repainting to get the color match that any buyer would demand.
Some people suspect that the reason for changing the 68 version Shelby Mustangs was because of the problem with the prior effort. The 68 version was postulated to be the internal, closely overseen Ford effort to correct/prevent the problem from repeating. It was, in effect, a Mulligan. The Ford engineer who had the unenviable task of "fixing it" was Fred Goodell. Goodell held the title of Chief Engineer, International Division. He had face to face contact with the Top management. He was tasked with several other things with Shelby like the green Hornet project and others in addition to the 1967 fix.
Sounded great even in 69-70s.
thank you for this Zach... those where the best rides there
Hi.i just wanted to say that the car at the end of video is a torino instead of falcon. Thanks love the video
Sorry sir the car was falcon right had drive.. The Torino was slightly longer ( wheel base wise) but its in the same family.. Thats the Aussie falcon which you have seen
Back in 1977, I bought a used '70 Boss 302 for $500 bucks!!
what!!!!! 500 bucks ( wild price ) thats about 2k of now money right? .. Man you guys back then had all the cool stuff.. thats what i enjoy doing the videos... To hear these stories amazing dude
@@bstfordchannel923 All of the 60's Muscle cars were just used cars back then! Today a nice Boss 302 is worth well over $100k. All of my buddies had muscle cars. One had a '69 Super Bee 440 - 6 pack, another a GTO Judge. In 1979, I picked up a Shelby GT 500 for $1500. In all, I bought, traded, and sold about two dozen different Ford and Mercury muscle cars from '72 thru '85. If only I kept just ONE!!!
In 78' I could have bought a blue 70' Boss 429 for $3500.
@@markrenton1093 The Boss 429 is one of the few great Ford's I've never had a chance to own - ahh . . . The good old days
For me Bud Moore's #21 in NASCAR was hell of a fast cars for years, decades :)
I was reading on him.. he was pretty dang good WELL respected on and off the track
We only had Fords growing up, Galaxies, Fairlane, T-Birds and F-Series. All of my Dad's trucks were Peterbuilt an Kenworths. So I got to read alot about the old Ford builders and there are others; The Wood Bros, Erie Elliott, Robert Yates, Jack Rousch and man could they build some powerful Fords! Bill Elliott set the Talladaga qualifying speed record at 212 mph!
Woods brothers are no. 21
@@nebrrex6910 Yep... My Bad, I'm getting old :) Besides I was a #28 and #29 Fan, Cale Yarborough, Davie Allison and David Pearson! Oh and #9 Bill Elliott Awesome Bill from Dawsonville :)
@@nebrrex6910 & @Daniel McQueen . . . Good to see you caught that, Nebr Rex, with regards to the NASCAR numbering. From what I recall, Bud Moore used a couple of different car numbers in the 1960s; with settling on #15 for the rest of his run in NASCAR. Remarkable that he stayed active as a team owner until 80+ years in age.
The #28 Ford, in the 1960s, was Holman-Moody.
Awesome channel great video brother!
ahh man thank you for that Manny thank you for the support and viewing the video
I love me some "Carl Shelby"!!!😍
I f that up YET AGAIN dude my bad totally J
@@bstfordchannel923 - no problem at all. It's your signature now. I was disappointed that you didn't keep the audio outtakes of you trying to find Carroll out of "Carl." It was a great detail. I'm a Ford and Mustang fan- plus a subscriber and fan of your content.👍
I'm surprised that you mentioned AM and his Mustang that raced in the Australian Touring Car Championship, and even more surprised with Dick Johnson's "Greens Tuff" Fox body Grp A Mustang showing up at the end.
Maybe this could be a future video subject for you?.
Mustang and it's international racing career. Btw the first Touring Car race won by a Mustang happened in Australia in the hands of Ian (Pete) Geohagen in his white 65 GTA.
what was funny.. I change the video mid stream ( adhd ) it did not seem cool enough. I watch the Aussie stuff and REALLY respect what they do and what they have done.. The line-up was Mustang Falcon mad the foxbody ( then I swicthed ) trying to eye up Dick Johnson and the Foxbody then tell his story how he became broke and had to sell his cars ect... I think its a cool story.. people in the states may not relate but being broke we all can relate to that... Thank you for this comment.... Now thank you for the (Pete) Geohagen in his white 65 GTA info i have to check on that and see ho i can angle that in a video..
@@bstfordchannel923 big pete was absolutely the reason why mustang had a name in australian history, absolutely dominated with the help of the shelby parts.
Another interesting fact.
despite all the media smoke and mirrors of v8 supercars here, their supercar mustang wasnt the first mustang to win a national race since the zakspeed mustangs.
Since they're not real production cars and are basically just a rollcage with wheels, it was actually the group 3E mustang gt of ck motorsports in the national australian production cars championship that holds that title.
Something the motorsport buffs would only know.
As an Australian motorsports fanatic, I've never seen the footage of moffat with his falcon coupe in the states.
Cheers for this, very cool.
Its intresting that without the great shelby, mustangs would've never done well in australian racing.
And without him leaving the ford stables and craftcar coming in with the boss, then moffat might never have made it big here.
Anyways, you want a good ford racing story to folllw up on mate?
In Australia we used to have a near production based ute racing series commonly known as thr "brute utes" or the "v8 utes"
Anyways, when the coyote made it to our shores in supercharged miami form, the ford ute teams wanted to keep running production engines but couldn't have forced induction.
So the sieders racing team went over the the states and organised coyotes to be built for the utes and eventually had a few ready for the season opener at Adelaide in i think 2011.
The coyote upgrade was so damn good that every 5.0 powered falcon ute just outright dominated the first two race weekends.
The holden boys with their ls3's i think just had nothing on them and the category was forced to have both engine brands be built and sealed to be near equal performance by a fella in brisbane.
Thank you Doug I love to the motorsports abroad .. State siede we have stuff, but you guys really get down with cars.. I enjoy the Super V8s and the old school production improve racing.. I do love and respect hat you guys do over ther
@@bstfordchannel923 here the race i was talking about
th-cam.com/video/emr3LEpjdkA/w-d-xo.html
The 5.0 coyotes were so good compared to the old 5.4 unit and the holden 6.2
I really enjoyed this post. I love the scenes of Kent Washington. That's my local track. Regarding the Cougars- all else being equal the they were probably at a disadvantage to the Mustangs because having 3-inch longer wheelbase, they were likely not quite as nimble in the corners. The Dodge Challenger had the same disadvantage, being longer compared to the Plymouth Cuda. Mustangs, Camaros , Firebirds and Cudas all had the classic "pony car" 108 inch wheelbase.Javelins had 109, and Cougars had 111 and Challengers had 110 inches. Finally- the Shelby GT350 cars shown never raced in the Trans Am class. They raced in B Production class.
Because the Cougar and Mustang points were separated. Switch Bud Moore to Mustang and win a manufacturer championship.
that he did bro
I’ve been into Fords since around 1979. Well done.
thank you brother I have missed a few marks , but thank you for the words.. I love Fords and I am flowing where my passion moves me to...
Dude you sound sooooooo much like Cuba Gooding Jr
lmao lol dang man lol lmao
Have you done a video on the American iron road race series between the fox body mustangs and the 3rd gen Camaro ?
My favorite Camaro is the split bumper ( may do a video on that )... I will do that video on that race there Bryan thank you for this i will give you credit on this one bro... I see that the race series are for the 79 starting year correct? I have to check this out
I have never herd of a Shelby COUGAR.
hi everyone yes I'm late :-) ok but they forgot one thing pertaining to Shelby' s GT 350 AND GT500 the only reason they came about in the first place Henry Ford 2 went to S.C.C.A. wanting to race the mustang they told no it's not a sport's car that pissed Henry Ford off so he went to Carol Shelby and told him I don't care what you have to do I want the Mustang to race in the S.C.C.A. racing so Carol Shelby went to the S.C.C.A. and asked them what he have to do they told to take out the back seat and some other thing's so it could be races in the S.C.C.A. and it got named the G.T.350 then G.T.500 that why he wasn't in to it Henry Ford 2 dump it on him because Henry wanted to race in the S.C.C.A. which was started by and for the people in southern California with MG's Jag' s Porsh etc. for a way to race there car's :-)
brother Cole you are right on time...Yes thats is very very true..Great info and this you can not debate... Shelby ask what it takes to make the Mustang to be a Race Car... They told him the guidelines and they went to work . The rest is history a great sales tool of the time
@@bstfordchannel923 hi and thank you yes it was a great sales tool but a least Henry Ford was interested in racing in his own way untill later in life but the G.T 350 AND G.T 500 do have place in history Ford or Chevy never called the mustang and camero sports car's they said sporty car's but funny first Ford then Chevy races them as such and yah Chrysler tryed with the challenger but Dan Grundy couldn't get better than third place with his (AAR) all American racer challenger well you have a good day brother
@AUTONOMEN x hi guy thank you for you're reply and glad I could put something up for everyone yah the G.T 350 AND the G.T 500 do have place in history our car's our way the American way I hope I brought back some good memories for you well you have a good day me born in the 50's grew up in the 60's 70's :-)
@AUTONOMEN x hi guy I was born Oct. 58 In Santa Monica southern California grew up in Redondo beach CALIFORNIA in north California want to go back to southern California miss it and the beach so bad growing up my dad had a 56's Ford pick up a 50 Ford along with 32's and 34's three windows and Vicky hotrod s with chopped tops and he owned Harley's motor cycle's he all so surfed so did i I had hot rods and at one time a dewey Webber ten foot surf bord plus a custom made Rick James and a quick sliver surf bords well you have a very good day :-)
Interesting how history repeated itself... In the 60s Shelby Cobras and Mustangs gave Ferraris fits and in the 80s the Shelby Omni GLHS gave the VW GTI fits!
Lmao lol I second this
Amazing no Mercury now.. Thats by there own doing they could have made cool low priced performance cars Marauder ( proper reboot ) Cyclone maybe even attempt a 2dr truck version of the Mustang ( a REAL Cougar ) that would be something with a more plain for front end.. ( with a 5 speed ) not a 6...they have no vision dude.. And you mention those Omnis they where amazing and fun to see good times gave all cars the fitz
Sadly no Plymouth, Oldsmobile or Pontiac as well as Mercury either... All 4 of these makes made some INCREDIBLE Muscle Cars... 😥...
“A two door truck version of the Mustang”?? Are you serious, or does it take a real effort for you to appear this dumb?
I was lucky enough to see these cars in action. we went to Bryar Motorsport Park (NHIS today) and Lime Rock in 1969, 1970, &1971. I took pictures especially of the Bud Moore 15 & 16. Now I remember two dark blue 1970 Mustangs one was #2 I don't remember the other but they had Shelby markings on them. I got to meet Tasca Ford's driver Dean Gregson and sit in his #28 Mustang.
ok so Shelby did have 2 dark blue 302 boss? I am Car nerding out right now.. ( very grateful ) on this info.. I need the person that was there cause they give no real insight.. any info would be great and THIS was a gem.. Thats why i do the videos to learn
Great old footage here!
I really made it for the footage and I had to seek the info...Some of the info is off coming from the guys who where there 10%
The picture @ 1:23 of the Bud Moore Cougar, was taken at Carlisle Pa. during Ford Nationals.
yes it was a very cool photo
The Deuce constantly fought with Iacocca, and he held God's own grudges against everyone Iacocca was friends with. This explains the later relationships of Shelby and DeTomaso at Chrysler.
Iacocca could find markets and get mileage from no resources better than any executive in Detroit for 30 years. When the Mustang was born it was the best marketing tool on wheels, even if a Falcon/Fairlane platform mashup didn't have the best handling, and the 289 was a bit short on power.
15 years later, Iacocca goes to Henry Ford II and tells him he has a great idea for the Fox platform. The Deuce says "I hope your new employer likes it," but probably not as nicely. This is why the Minivan was known as a Chrysler invention instead of Ford.
Shelby was loyal to Iacocca, stayed out of the racing program after Dearborn kept undercutting him on the GT 40, and Ford had to skate talent from GM. Knudsen only came over so Ford could get Shinoda (IMHO).
this is why i do video i love the detail and depth on ho you guys look at it.. this is very important to me cause the info ( and the emotion ) it what I need ( its strange recipe ) thats how I roll.. So videos really put a angle on how I will build things... Great info thank you brother thank you
man your content is awesome!!!!!!!!! my U tube Ford Brother
thank you for the support.. And i am very grateful for this and your comment,, You are my bro Orange Boss 302!
That beautiful big assed falcon!
that falcon is sweet its a tad shorter torino/fairlane usa version his was seet with the weber downdrafts
@@bstfordchannel923 I've always felt that Americans really missed out on some epic machinery in the early 70's. By then American cars had really fallen apart and turned to custard, meanwhile the Aussies were really hitting their stride producing proper performance cars, I don't know of anything America was producing in '77 that could touch an A9X Torana lol!
Hands down? A independent 66 Dart placed 3rd in points the first season.
yes it did the little white dart very cool car..they should have built o that platform.. i like the dart not that version
Bud brought home the championship for ford that is what counts for me.
that for sure i like your style... I am putting a bootleg ( 2004 Mach type engine ) in my Crown Victoria check it out when you have some time th-cam.com/video/26rX-MNFUC0/w-d-xo.html
Don't forget that a few years after Lee Iacocca took over Chrysler he and Carroll Shelby reunited and built Shelby Versions of the Charger, Omni and Dakota...
agreed he came back strong on THE TURBO 4 cyliNder and the viper ( cobra based car ) just huge
I forgot about how the Viper gave Corvettes fits in the 90s as well!!
I have a 1970 boss 302 cougar Eliminator it is one potent motor.
wow you have 1 dang? That is a amazing car I think its slightly cooler than the stang
Always loved the 69 Boss 302 Mustang.
It's puzzling that the narrator references the 1969 season, but illustrates that word with the 1970 Mustangs in the shade of color orange they were for the 1970 season.
that was the speed channel.. I seen that I tried to find clips to fill that in, but it did not work good eye Bloqk
@@bstfordchannel923 My apologies for the criticism. But I lived in that era when following motorsports was a near obsession with me. I also attended TransAm races at Laguna Seca (1969-70) and Sears Point (1969).
One anecdote I'll pass along to you, since you referenced the TV Speed Channel in your response: I don't recall a single TransAm race, up through 1970, that was ever televised. That was especially puzzling for me back then, as in the US, the ABC-TV Wide World of Sports would occasionally televise auto races, albeit a week late, in its weekly anthology TV sports series program; but not once do I recall they ever televised a TransAm race. It's a shame they never did, as the drama of how Camaro Team Penske's overcame early season setbacks to win the 1969 TransAm series for Chevy . . . at a time when Chevrolet denied doing factory involvement in the race series . . . made the 1969 especially interesting to follow.
Nicely Made my friend
thank you for that. If I told ya what the video started life as you would be shocked..
Some in the motorsports press in 1969 felt the turning point where the Shelby Mustangs took a nosedive was in the '69 TransAm race at St. Jovite, Canada, where the Shelby Mustangs were wrecked in a racing crash. Afterwards, the Shelby Mustangs were never competitive for the rest of the season, even when one of the cars was driven by Dan Gurney at Laguna Seca (I was there).
THIS is amazing this is what makes this video worth doing,,, The detail and untel that you guys give... I couldnt find that type of info... School is in session for me... thank you for this.. Man you guys did all the cool stuff. all I had was arguing in my household when young no cool things to do ( mentally crippled ) by the bull.. cars and motorcycles was a escape for while ( until the landscape changed ).. Thank you for the info brother
@@bstfordchannel923 I can relate with following automotive stuff as a focus in life, as it was my near-obsession with it as a youth which kept me on the straight-and-narrow.
The 1969 Laguna Seca TransAm race was an interesting race that I attended. Parnelli Jones, in the Bud Moore Mustang, walked away from the field at the start, but a group of guys in the crowd that were pulling for Penske's Camaros were anticipating Jones blowing up his Mustang in the race, which was heightened when we saw smoke coming out of the rear of his car; and he didn't disappoint; with him trashing the car's differential.
I was standing about 100 feet away when Jones's teammate, George Follmer's Mustang, lost a wheel at over 100 mph and had to park his car for the day.
One of the takeaways from that 1969 Laguna Seca TransAm race was my disappointment of Dan Gurney, in a Shelby Mustang, not going at it wheel-to-wheel with the Mark Donohue or Ed Leslie Camaros. The race results shows Gurney in third place; but it didn't appear to be a competitively driven third place . . . as it impressed me, from what I saw, that he was doing all he could to keep the car on the race course and not lose control.
My favorite mustang ever
mine to i really like this car ( amazing in styling )
Great video. I think your narrative pretty much summed up the reason for Shelby backing out and Bud Moore taking over. Ford Motor Company politics probably played the biggest part. The Boss 302 Was a complete new engine and Moore was on the ground floor. Shelby had stretched the 289 as far as it would go. Boss 302 to 351C was easier for the team on the ground floor. He Alan Moffit/Australian 302 is awesome.
Thank you for this comment brother... I would never think that peoplethat work for a company and 1 person wanted another person spot ( it would be on the comapanys dime ) Very odd thought pattern... So that those that do this can swoop in and save the day by making a persons idea fail? Very odd politic brother Ford could have been the best ( for a min longer ) but nah ..
Awesome video ! Keep them coming !!!
I second this one!
Thank you for this Bruc e thank you for viewing and comment .. that means a lot brother
Good to hear from you. Your knowledge has sure helped me with my beloved Crown Vic Interceptor. Keep on giving us great videos.
And I thank you guys to keep pushing me to the Vics brother Greg... Videos are a little slow I am going through some stuff right now sould searching being a better man...
@@bstfordchannel923 keep on looking up my friend. Was just glad to hear your voice. Knew I was going to learn something. Hope everything works out for you. GOD BLESS.
@@gregorygolden1296 Thank you brother for the words ... I need the blessing for sure... I will explain a taste in the next video...
Shel sounds a lot like Tommy Lee in No Country for Old Men.
lmao lol he sure does !
Shelby team did race Trans-Am in 1969, in a Boss 302, with Dan Gurney and Peter Revson as drivers. Horst Kweck drove too. Cars were dark blue. Revson won at Lime Rock in 69, the last victory for a Shelby team car. So much for your premise.
Yup I seen that but not factory back right?
They’re all beautiful! I consider them art!