@@Garviel_Loken.Surely the marines aren't representing a military so incompetent and disorganized that they used the cell phone towers in said country leading to multiple 3 star generals getting sniped within weeks lmfao
I mean, let's remember this has no micro and that any attempt to micro the tanks would end up in negative micro. Anyone with at least plat level micro should be able to take out those tanks with probably less than 200 marines with decent pre-splits and a bit of stutter-stepping. The cost would go way down.
@ar218 i agree except for the specific league, I have 100% seen even diamond players a-move into a tank line and then decide now is the perfect time to look at their base and build a few more buildings
@@redholm They could, but also all the marines would be attacking all at once instead of a line at a time, it would probably be a slaughter for the tanks
@@EEE-pv2eo Oh yea. That was purely for the fire at units close to them. In most of these if the units didn't just shoot from max range they would just win.
Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down." - Captain Zap Brannigan, of the good ship Stormwalker
Watching these videos has really made me realize how inefficient the siege tank AI is. The tanks always target the CLOSEST enemy, rather than targeting with the goal of causing the most damage. If these tanks were landing their shots on the second marine back, they'd be wrecking significantly more havoc than they already are. Would that be OP? Maybe. But just an interesting thought and something perhaps one of those enhanced AI could factor into their micro.
I think it doesn't matter if the tanks won that or not. The cost and supply difference between the two is staggeringly wide that it shows how cost efficient tanks are against clumped up infantry.
When it’s 0/0 marines with no stim combat sure. You can show the same story with fully upgraded hellbats against 0/0 zerglings. Or 0/0/0 carriers against 3/3 thors. Upgrades are highly impactful for low damage high attack rate units.
@@bobvandeurzen869 u blind? if marines came close to the tanks, they would have been destroyed in 10 seconds, losing at best 200. And with steampacks and grades tanks wouldn’t have fired 4 shots
The marine is such a microable unit though. I known it's not the point of these shorts but if the marines stimed at the first tank fire and didn't start attacking until they touched the tanks. Well the short would have been a hell of a lot shorter
this really shows just how important stepping forward and ensuring as many units as possible are in range. this fight would have been over significantly faster and at much less of loss of Marines. if you are going to commit to this attack, *do this.*
You'd be surprised with proper splits and movement... I think it was Byun that I saw demolish an opposing pro terran with pure marines vs. tanks and a few other things.
i don't know if your commentary is ironical, but the video shows the reverse : if you want to beat 60 supply of siege tanks with a suicide assault of marines, you need 1000 supply of marines
Or if the ai just made the tanks attack a row or two back into the crowd--- would have turned this around completely... But this way we get a longer confetti party...
@@ObsidianShade If tanks were more intelligent, their damage would be decreased to keep the balance, They have their current damage values to make their current targeting AI work.
That was a slaughter and went exactly as expected even if the tanks lost. If there had been 5-10 more tanks, then they absolutely would've lost. I used tanks religiously in the original game but find that my (amateur) style in SC2 with Terran relies on Thors and Hellbats.
I said to myself at the begining. It wont be close, but it will be a absolute massacre. And then they formed the wall at max range rather than just rolling in on the tanks and i realised how much more of a massacre it was going to be than i ever thought.
If the marines sprinted and clustered around the tanks it would’ve been over much quicker and fewer casualties. The developers should’ve programmed tanks with machine guns for closer range and negated the friendly fire in siege mode but I guess that’d make them overpowered to a certain extent.
I always use marines in bunkers and siege tanks at the back in case some zerg unit try to put it out. marines gives protections while siege tanks give firepower for defenses.
Marines: Clustered together. Tanks: Stretched in a far line where multiple tanks arent firing until everything else is already dead. Yeaaah, fair comparison...
it was like the battlefield around rhzev area in eastern front of ww2. the meat grinder! well positioned artilleries ground infantries like ground beef :
You should demo this with army that almost same cost(with reasonable time play)...the results of that is much useful to player who watched your video...
If you force move the Marines closer they can all shoot. They would win harder. If the tanks didn't focus on the front line the splash damage would be greater. Hitting the front line only splashes one half the direction of the battle line
The marines were transported away from the sector, away from this war they were fighting. Unfortunately for the marines, they found themselves in the far future of the 41st millennium.
![1 Orc vs 7 Computers [4K]](/img/n.gif)
World War 1 tactics be like:
Or more like the war in Ukraine currently 🤣 Cannon fodder
@@donovanvansenus1968ДА БЛЯДЬ, ДАЖЕ ТУТ УКРАИНА!!!
@@donovanvansenus1968 and each side represents one or another of these on different front directions 😅
@@Garviel_Loken.Surely the marines aren't representing a military so incompetent and disorganized that they used the cell phone towers in said country leading to multiple 3 star generals getting sniped within weeks lmfao
@@donovanvansenus1968 это точно. Ваши хозяева отправили сотни тысяч украинцев в могилы...
I like watching the marines turn into significantly more pieces of marines.
It is Food for the Ground
Something brenda would say
@@osa236harca6 BRENDA BRENDA hello time for bed.. I tell you about the Fable when you could Fly
LOL
Wtf winter
this clip embodies two things winter says all the time, "more stuff counters less stuff" and, "but at what cost?"
This is definitely one of the "At what cost?" moments of all time.
@@elgar7252 In this case we can be sure. The cost of 903 marines.
I wonder how many marines Clem or Byun would have lost if they controlled the 1000 marines.
I mean, let's remember this has no micro and that any attempt to micro the tanks would end up in negative micro.
Anyone with at least plat level micro should be able to take out those tanks with probably less than 200 marines with decent pre-splits and a bit of stutter-stepping. The cost would go way down.
@ar218 i agree except for the specific league, I have 100% seen even diamond players a-move into a tank line and then decide now is the perfect time to look at their base and build a few more buildings
"If we have more soldiers than the enemy has bullets, we win"
Zerg logic
@@___SourR34___ fr
@@___SourR34___ USSR/Russia logic XD
@@Manul_Atreides zelensky logic, lol
@@Damian-ew1vl Putin liker spotted
“The right thing will beat the wrong thing, unless you have enough of the wrong thing”
five rocks beats 1 paper
This is why we need to nerf protoss
Protoss is the weakest race already. Never win tournaments.
@@CMDR_BirbThat's the joke.
@@CMDR_Birb no way bro said that
are you a bot?
Yes more nerfs for protoss. Remember that one time MC won a tournament? Never again.
@@CMDR_Birbpeople like you make us want to leave protoss intact. It's good we have a race for intellectually weak people to win with 😅
You want the pieces left of me boy?
Rightoh! wait wrong game
Underrated comment
Now run it back with the marines running all the way up to the sieges hahaha, cool video!
They marines would lose so few troops considering that siege tanks can't fire at units too close
@@EEE-pv2eo True. But the other sieges could still shoot the ones close to the other sieges.
@@redholm They could, but also all the marines would be attacking all at once instead of a line at a time, it would probably be a slaughter for the tanks
@@EEE-pv2eo Oh yea. That was purely for the fire at units close to them. In most of these if the units didn't just shoot from max range they would just win.
@@redholmthe siege tanks would also friendly fire on each other as well
So 50k minerals 1k supply defeat 3k minerals 60 supply. That's impressive
*And that was without a single drop of micro*
Stutter stepping would have made a huge difference
Just walking up to the tanks would make a huge difference, so the ones in the back could reach
Blue lost infinitely more gas in this exchange
Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down." - Captain Zap Brannigan, of the good ship Stormwalker
"By the numbers Boys!"
Watching these videos has really made me realize how inefficient the siege tank AI is. The tanks always target the CLOSEST enemy, rather than targeting with the goal of causing the most damage. If these tanks were landing their shots on the second marine back, they'd be wrecking significantly more havoc than they already are. Would that be OP? Maybe. But just an interesting thought and something perhaps one of those enhanced AI could factor into their micro.
Arguably intentional. If you had God tier Korean micro you could spread put your siege tank hits rather than just sit back
I think it doesn't matter if the tanks won that or not. The cost and supply difference between the two is staggeringly wide that it shows how cost efficient tanks are against clumped up infantry.
Any player with half a brain would have stimmed and run up next to them. I doubt Red would have lost 200 in that scenario.
When it’s 0/0 marines with no stim combat sure.
You can show the same story with fully upgraded hellbats against 0/0 zerglings.
Or 0/0/0 carriers against 3/3 thors.
Upgrades are highly impactful for low damage high attack rate units.
Killing more than 900 marines with 20 tanks is indeed a big win. Even if the tanks 'lost' this one.
@@bobvandeurzen869 u blind? if marines came close to the tanks, they would have been destroyed in 10 seconds, losing at best 200. And with steampacks and grades tanks wouldn’t have fired 4 shots
@@Hellafast2uDude"If". The tanks did well by killing 900 marines, nobody said anything about if the Marines did better.
The marine is such a microable unit though. I known it's not the point of these shorts but if the marines stimed at the first tank fire and didn't start attacking until they touched the tanks. Well the short would have been a hell of a lot shorter
Studder walked n thos tanks would have been toast instantly
To be fair, the tanks could've been setup in a concave
The marines are without any upgrades. On the other hand, the tanks are in an open field.
@@Noxessential studder walking is cheesing not really how they are suppose to work
"Its not about how many marines you have but how many marine u have to replace them with."
All I've learned from this is to stim up ramps more voluminously
this really shows just how important stepping forward and ensuring as many units as possible are in range. this fight would have been over significantly faster and at much less of loss of Marines. if you are going to commit to this attack, *do this.*
pretty accurate soviet counter attack into stalingrad in ww2
The shadow of them flying 😂
Tank line: Victory against me will cost you a hefty and a bloody price
The Red Terran: That is a price my marines are willing to pay
The blood pact has been sealed! Forward marines!
Now I know that marines beat tanks!
You'd be surprised with proper splits and movement... I think it was Byun that I saw demolish an opposing pro terran with pure marines vs. tanks and a few other things.
i don't know if your commentary is ironical, but the video shows the reverse :
if you want to beat 60 supply of siege tanks with a suicide assault of marines, you need 1000 supply of marines
@@neojack333 *if you want to beat 3/3, siege tanks with 0/0 no stom marines and refuse to micro, you need 1000 supply of marines.
Marines left standing: GGEZ
This is like watching 300 in space
I think if the tanks weren't in line it would go better for them since the marines would spread less and there would be more splash damage
Or if the ai just made the tanks attack a row or two back into the crowd--- would have turned this around completely... But this way we get a longer confetti party...
@@ObsidianShade If tanks were more intelligent, their damage would be decreased to keep the balance, They have their current damage values to make their current targeting AI work.
That was closer than I thought it would be.
97 units left out of 1000 is crazy.
Definition of a phyrric victory lmao
The marines micro 🤠 (I know it's just the ai doing an a click)
Law of Large Numbers in action :)
The OG music hits hard
i mean, realistically, you'd be stutter stepping those jimmies and those tanks would be shredded
This is called Pyrrus Victory.
All the tanks needed was more vision to change the outcome, do it again but with a scan for blue
Rerun with 25 tanks please!
this must be Death Korps of Krieg
for the emperor
That was a slaughter and went exactly as expected even if the tanks lost. If there had been 5-10 more tanks, then they absolutely would've lost. I used tanks religiously in the original game but find that my (amateur) style in SC2 with Terran relies on Thors and Hellbats.
They can't kill us all, brother!!!!
Someone teach these marines to stutter step.
Imagine the marines being like Anakin.
Now imagine how much faster this would have been if the ai knew how to stutter step.
You should make videos like this, put with coop commander units like Tya used to do. I would watch EVERY single one of em
Moving them near the tanks would have done much more than allowing them to shoot with 0 upgrades at max range blocking the lines behind🤣
I said to myself at the begining. It wont be close, but it will be a absolute massacre. And then they formed the wall at max range rather than just rolling in on the tanks and i realised how much more of a massacre it was going to be than i ever thought.
ah, the soviet method. Always comes out victorious in the end!
Poor marine. Got tossed like a ragdoll
the emperor conquering the galaxy:
"For the Emperor!" - Kreig army.
This is the guard son
The killbots had a pre set kill limit, so I sent wave after wave of my own men
I am hearing the Attack of Titan "levi vs Beast titan scene "
SCL glazing: "That's a great trade for Maru! His bio army just rolled through those defenses. He started when he was 13 you know?"
Gotta move them closer to rush the tanks lol
The counter to anything is always more marines
The marines crushed face!
as winter always says: "More shit counter less shit"
already knew the result and yet I'm still kindof suprised
closer than you'd think lol
Marines derping on the front line.
how did the hive manage to control all these 1000 poor marines
We are outnumbered boys , there's nothing we can do
When work harder, not smarter was the only choice.
Got it. So what you're saying is that when my opponent is turtling on 2 base with a ton of tanks I just need more marines!
Now pop a couple science vessels or something to give those tanks their full vision range
If the marines sprinted and clustered around the tanks it would’ve been over much quicker and fewer casualties. The developers should’ve programmed tanks with machine guns for closer range and negated the friendly fire in siege mode but I guess that’d make them overpowered to a certain extent.
Its not about how many men you lose, it's about how many you have to replace them!!
efficient way to go down for the tanks!
Korea has a lot of excellent self-propelled guns like the K9 because there are so many marines on the continent.
I'd like to think those were clones or bio droids :)
the armor on tank seemed to really help
That’s the size of a codex compliant chapter
Aye yo in honesty that was too close
I always use marines in bunkers and siege tanks at the back in case some zerg unit try to put it out. marines gives protections while siege tanks give firepower for defenses.
Marines: Clustered together. Tanks: Stretched in a far line where multiple tanks arent firing until everything else is already dead. Yeaaah, fair comparison...
903 marines later: victory!
imagine just teching up to more tanks and placing another 20 behind that by the end of the fight and taking 3 more bases to eventually go BCS
Now that's what I call cost efficiency.
"who wins? 1000 marines..." MARINES
I was a Diamond 1 Protoss player and it took a lot of work. I got bored and hit Diamond 2 with Terran only building Marines 😂
it was like the battlefield around rhzev area in eastern front of ww2. the meat grinder! well positioned artilleries ground infantries like ground beef :
The deadliest weapon on this planet is a marine with his rifle. ~
thanks
Least bloody UED intervention
I feel like the tanks would’ve one of the ai was smart enough to hit the centers of the crowded marines. Doing more damage to more units.
I was rooting for the tanks 😂
That one seemed obvious from the beginning... Would need more strategic siege tank line to have a chance
Should’ve had a concave with the tanks, they would’ve won most likely.
I think the results may have been different if the tanks were in a ball rather than a line.
You should demo this with army that almost same cost(with reasonable time play)...the results of that is much useful to player who watched your video...
Operation: Human Meat Shields
Marines can get closer!
Russian soilders breaking though nazis defences, 1945, colorized
The red puddle won sir !
tanks lasted longer than i thought
If you force move the Marines closer they can all shoot. They would win harder. If the tanks didn't focus on the front line the splash damage would be greater. Hitting the front line only splashes one half the direction of the battle line
Woo, we only lost most of us!
Same thing but with a concave in favor of the siege tanks
The marines were transported away from the sector, away from this war they were fighting.
Unfortunately for the marines, they found themselves in the far future of the 41st millennium.
imagine puting some bunkers before tanks
Now do 1000 seige tanks vs 200 marines
Miss the music in this game. Haven’t played since 2003 original