Varmint Round For Deer Hunting
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- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this video, I answer a listener's question about a varmint round for deer hunting. If you find this interesting, check out the full episode here - • Best All-Around Rifle ...
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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I took 2 whitetail this past year with 22-250 and the 50 grain Remington AccuTip-V loading. One of them was a nice buck.
I killed one of my biggest bucks with a 55gr vmax in 22-250. Go for behind the shoulder broadside, no issues, dead deer.
I took a Kudu Bull with a 22-250 with sellior and ballot 55gr soft piont 183m head shot. Drop just there....💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 my absolute favorite cartridge in SA
Maybe you should try a 458 Weatherby magnum with a 185 grain hydrashock for elephant 😊. Probably get 4000 fps!
Seriously. The 5.56 loading during the Vietnam War was devastating in typical combat range and it was fmj.😮
@@elgato9534 Not according to half a dozen Vietnam veteran buddies of mine. They all say they should have had a soft point Bullet. FMJ just isn’t a man stopper!!!!
My 18 yr old nephew fills the freezer with venison every winter. .223 55 grain
I think bullet placement is the most important factor for any size bullet.
Indeed, not gonna be cringe and name him but there is a youtuber that shot a doe to high with a .50 BMG, she was back the next day walking normal.
I agree it’s the most important factor, but it’s definitely not the only factor. Impact velocity, bullet construction, and frontal area are important factors as well. I don’t understand why a hunter would intentionally limit himself to a cartridge that requires perfect shot placement on a stationary, broadside animal for a clean kill.
And this above ALL else: bullet placement, bullet placement, bullet placement.
My sister regularly took deer and feral pigs with a Rossi single shot .223 rem. using 55 grain hollow points to great effect. Kept her shots within 100 yards and shot placement is key.
223 with 60 gr partition, 64 power point, 55gr bear claw , 62 gr fusion all great bullets for southern deer where I hunt .
I use the same out of an 18" ar up here in MI. Taken big bucks the last 4 years, shot placement and I don't ha e to shoot much further than 150M
Nothing better for Whitetail then a 243 Winchester, you can use more gun if for some reason your manhood demands it ,but the deer will not be any more dead. Thanks Ron for another entertaining video.
I shoot a 90 grain nosler E-tip for blacktail has done very well so far
Been hunting with 55s for 19 yrs. Get Good, Aim Small!
I regularly use 55gr FMJ @3250 fps (basically Army m193. But hand loaded for my rifle) to take whitetail. As long as I keep it within 200 yards and have reasonable shot placement, it's always an instant drop. (beyond 200 yards the bullet drops below 2500fps and doesn't yaw/fragment) And to this day; every time I field dress a deer I'm shocked and amazed at how destructive that little 55gr is. There are 2 keys to make 55gr work. #1 Shot placement (duhhh) #2 impact velocity.
After I saw Paul Harrell's video comparing 55gr FMJ and 62gr FMJ, there is no doubt in my mind that the 55gr is sufficient for deer hunting.
Fact
Exactly, if you wouldn’t shoot a 150lb deer with a 556 at any loading, why would you shoot a 150+lb man trying to kill you
Careful and precise shot placement.. Wish more people would emphasize this more..
Bullet construction is more concern that weight. A 223 with 55gr Speer gold dots is pretty lethal...
I liked an 85gr Barnes TSX when I had a 243Win...
I've had HUGE success with a .22-250AI, 1:8 twist, 75gr gold dots @ 3,200fps. *SHOT PLACEMENT* is crucial. AZ Cous deer. WY pronghorn, and javelina. I've also used .222 rem with great success on them. I have a 1:9 twist in one of the .222's - With a 60gr Partition, some H-335 @ 2900 fps, It'll put the smack down on the same sized game. Once again, *SHOT PLACEMENT* is the key.
My longtime friend and hunting buddy used 55gr spire points for the longest time, mainly from the Hornady 50 round red box. I seen him take mule deer and whitetail deer clean using it.
This is why I like Nosler Partition bullets. The front end can go boom as the back end carries trouble on through.
No they don't. When you shoot them in the Adam's apple you won't have any run offs. Shooting them in the middle of the ribs is going to result in these run offs in the big deer, regardless if it's the partitions.
I've been deer hunting for over 47 years and have shot more deer than most people have ever seen.
@@jimpalmer4916 a neck shot leaves too much to chance in my area. If you hunt woods with 100 yard ranges, you might be able to pull it off. But I’m in the desert southwest and ranges frequently go 200-400 yards. That gives the animal too much time to move after pulling the trigger. That’s irresponsible hunting! They move their heads in response to everything and a neck shot won’t cut the mustard out here.
@Dr. Froghopper since you live where the place is wide open, just shoot em with a 300 win mag just like me! I've put more dam deer on the ground with my 22/250 with Adam's apple shots out to 460 yards than most people have ever shot in their life. I don't mind telling it like it is one damn bit. This is exactly what it takes to kill a deer without any doubt, like it or not.
Ron, you absolutely nailed this question. My username is 220 Swift. That's because that was the caliber of the first rifle I bought myself the day I turned 18, almost 30 years ago. I used that rifle, over the next few years, to take at least a dozen species of animals. Among them were roughly 20 whitetail does for a rancher that needed some culling. It wouldn't have even been considered, but I was at his place hunting coyotes at the time. He offered, I reluctantly accepted. It worked incredibly well, within 200 yards. I didn't try anything farther. But, you have to avoid the shoulder like the plague. I did hit one there, and she did require tracking and a follow up. I've noticed over the years, people seem to think now that deer are a lot tougher than they really are.
I agree. "People" think the deer are tougher, because most people can't shoot for sh** and won't spend time and money practicing, so they try and compensate with a howitzer. I've heard guys say all sorts of outlandish things as if it were fact to explain why the shot didn't go right. Usually blaming the ammo, but often caliber and gun choice are thrown under the bus as well, when it was poor marksmanship and bad decisions that were to blame.
For instance, a guy I know told me that the hornady 12 guage sst sabot slugs shoot too fast to expand and he lost a deer do to no blood trail... There is a large swath of hunters that barely know which end to stick the cartridges in their guns and they run their mouths when they should be running their guns.
I have no doubt you can kill the biggest pronghorn or mulie with a 220 Swift. My concern would be the wind drift these smaller bullets are susceptible to. I think it’s only prudent to use a cartridge that covers all eventualities durning a hunt. Having said that, if I was told I could only pick one cartridge for mulies and pronghorn it would be a 280 Remington shooting 140 grain bullets. The 270 Winchester shooting a 130 grain bullets would be a close second. Take care and best of luck in the field.
@@fruitfarmfords8243 no blood trail from a 12 gauge sabot?! He must have missed entirely.
@@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 Exactly
I have seen videos from Ron about the exotic .222 rem round. It was impressive
Hi Ron.
That was a really good explanation. I wouldn't use varmint bullets on game, other than coyotes, but plenty do with good results.
I find it interesting that the 244 Rem "died" because it wouldn't shoot the "heavier " deer bullets. So the 243 Win became the popular kid in town with the 24's. Now more and more people are switching to varmint bullets in their 243's to shoot game. They still can't get the velocity that they could in a 244/6mm. Seems like what's old is new again and coming back around.
I like your explanation of the bullet "blowing up". This used to happen to me with a 300 Weatherby and factory ammo. One or both of the shoulders were broken but most of the bullet "grenaded" in the vitals. Never recovered a perfect "mushroom", but never had to track either.
Keep 'em coming Ron.
Cheers, Jeff
Thank you, Ron. Your explanation of the effectiveness of frangible bullets on deer makes sense to me.
My favourite is the 222. Filled my freezer many a time with black bear and white tail up here in Ontario with that little dart. Put er rite down the ear canal and watch the computer screen go blank instantly.
I have had very good luck on large Saskatchewan Whitetails and Mulies with my own 243 Win hand loads with a 85 grain Speer Soft point Boat-tail bullet. My farthest shot with this on a whitetail buck was 344 yards (according to my range finder). I shot him in the heart and he stood for about 20-30 seconds, took a step or two and then and dropped. Never thought about a lighter bullet like a Vmax or similar.
Thank you Ron! Great explanation. I love your channel and will continue to enjoy your excellent advice. Rob from Texas.
Thanks Rob
I used to have great success with a.243 shooting sierra match king 80 grain at about 2900 fps. I think it was probably a similar situation. The bullets would rapidly expand and shed bits and pieces and do an incredible amount of damage especially considering how small and light the bullets are.
That’s impressive considering sierra match kings aren’t designed to expand!!! They are boat tail hollow points. These hollow tips are for external ballistic purposes not terminal ballistics. Sierra even says as much on their website.
@@danielcurtis1434 Due to the shape of the bullet, impact velocity, the construction method, and few other factors what's happening is the nose is snapping off and main body of the bullet is shredding itself. Similar terminal characteristics can be seen with FMJ .223 Rem/5.56mm NATO rounds. It ain't expanding as much as just disintegrating.
@@FraserFir-sb4lk yeah that’s kinda what I figure happens. I think this is the strength of .223/5.56!!! Even relatively cheap target ammo will still perform better than expanding projectiles in other calibers!!! It’s the high velocity low mass low sectional density results.
I don’t understand why this specific strength isn’t mentioned so much???
Those 243 win are amazing rifles I have a Mossberg Patriot Bantam and I love the performance very much…
Ron said he has used a 6mm Remington on deer
I had a hunting friend who would hunt at my Central Texas property. He used a 22-250. He was a lazy coot and I would always end up skinning his deer. I would find bullet fragments all over the deer! I quit dressing his deer and told him to take the deer to a processor where they could see and clean the deer is a much better light. Yes, I found me another hunting buddy !
Another great vid. Thanks.
Love your content sir!
I agree!
I have used sierra 85gr Bthp bullets for years and it is accurate and turns everything to mush. But then, a few years ago, I couldn't locate them. At that time I bought some ballistic tip 90gr. And both do really well.
I've known quite a few people who have hunted deer with 223 and 22-250, and 220 swift. I have witnessed a number of deer shot with the 22-250. From these experiences, a 22 caliber bullet can drop a deer dramatically, until it doesn't. Some of the people I know who have used the 22-250 swore by it until they had a bad experience, then they changed their tune. Others continue to use them. Every one I witnessed taken with a 22-250, went sour. The last one I witnessed, a hunter from a different group shot at a deer. It ran over half a mile towards us and went into a group of trees but never came out. The hunter decided he had missed because he didn't follow after the deer. After watching the trees for awhile and not seeing the deer come out, we decided to go after him. We found the deer dead in the middle of the trees. My friend proceeded to gut the deer, when pretty quick, the hunter that shot the deer showed up. He told us that he thought he had missed, but then when he seen us go into the trees, he decided to come investigate. He had hit the deer right behind the shoulder but the bullet blew up and barely made it to the first lung. I asked the hunter what he was shooting and he showed me his 22-250. Can you kill deer with 22 calibers and varmint bullets? Yes you can. Is it a good idea to do so? Not in my opinion.
Exactly, I use a 308 and federal terminal accent bullets. That gets er done👍
I've used the 70 grain ballistic tip in my 6mm Rem. on deer with drt results. Only broadside shots in heart/lung area.
223 for deer = 55grain TTSX (weight retention and shot placement is key)
Great explanation, thank you. Ron.
We have had similar experiences on our hunting far. In South Africa between the 243 and 223. To the point where the game alowed to be hunted with a 243 is limited.
As you know from experience the speed and lack of a blood trail by the 243 leaves animals to suffer, which none of us want.
Heavier grain aint always better. The 50 gr 22250 and 55 gr 223 has taken 1000s of Kudu, Waterbuck and Wildebeest on our farm. We harvest for Supermartkets and butcheries and have vast experience in maximum meat preservation, mainly hunting from helopters and foot for trophy.
The big callibres and a big no for meat hunting, it wastes food.
My dad shot dozens of Kudu with a 22 hornet in Botswana, walk and stalk, close up headshot.
The obsession with cannon like cartridges and long range cowardice has corrupted the hunting experience.
Thank you for your content, its realy insightful.
Francois
Thanks for sharing your extensive experience with the 223 Rem., Francois.
If this guy was losing deer with those Core Lokt 243 rounds, he's either full of it, or it was poor shot placement.
The only shot I recommend with any 22 of any sort is the Adam's apple regardless of what it's called.
The 60 grain nosler partition is included. I've been deer hunting for over 47 years and that's how it works without any run offs, and I don't mind telling it like it is. I absolutely hate to lose a big deer knowing what I know now. Using a 243 for the big deer Using the 100 grain bullets will definitely make a huge difference on the big boys and I ain't kidding either.
Ron, First Thank you for your wisdom. A request, please remind the folks that animals are not targets but things to be respected and require an ethical and efficient kill. Enough gun for the game at an ethical range. Thank you, Ron Montana Hunt-Ed instructor (great name by the way)
Ron from the Ron club for men. Glad to hear from you, sir. Respect all wildlife, indeed.
getting back to roy's 257 weathby speed kills
Double lung shots have always worked for me too.
I think it depends on the state. Here in PA and other northern states we have bigger deer than in the south. When my neighbors brother from florida visits and hunts he always takes small deer and thinks they are huge lol.
Im perfectly happy with 7mm-08. Dropped a buck last year at 218 yards using Hornady Superformance 139 grain with the CX bullets.
first deer last season with my 270. Bought a 7mm08 but was having accuracy issues i have since fixed. But i wish i could use my 223. its light rugged and is the most accurate centerfire i have. And in the woods where i hunt there isnt a deer that would know the difference. Might get 100 yard shot once in 10 years.
55 grain Barnes tsx, from a 16” barrel .223 work very well out to 150 yards work well. People get caught up in match/varmint and “hunting” ammo. Most of the newer stuff go in a couple inches and dump all the energy and destroy the vital, cough Berger, eldx, cup and core cough.
Solid copper expanding bullets can be very effective in hunting! Tremendous hydrolic shock with adequate penetration on game.
💯 correct! I've used 55gr Barnes out to 300 yards on whitetail. I'll take any of the monolithic bullets over cup and core.
Bingo. The TTSX can turn a 223 into a deer size big game pounder. Guys running a vmax in any 22 cal for deer should educate themselves first. It shouldn't even be allowed. Even if your trying to corkscrew them in the ear canal you want penetration...not a splash. We are so blessed these days with great bullets theres no freaking excuse to not use one.
@@frankschneider5566solid copper sucks compared to lead core
I have taken deer and elk with a 55 gn. hollow point. never lost one
I use 60 gr Nosler Partitions in my .223…very effective. Wouldn’t go much further than 150 yards with that load though…it loses steam fast.
I've taken many a British Columbia mule deer buck with my 223 using 50 grain Hornady GMX/CD bullets at reasonable ranges (200m and closer) I never lost one, and never had one walk more than 20 steps away either.
2 of the biggest deer I've ever shot were with a model 700 Remington BDL with a 55 grain hornaday varmint bullet. And both of the deer dropped in their tracks at 100 to 150 yards
You seldom see those BDLs in 223, true?
Remington issued an 80 and 100 grain corelokt.
We used the 95 grn SST in 243 to great effect
Shoot placement is key to any bullet ballistic tips rule
I find the sesame results with a 60 grain nobler. I used this bullet for 40 plus years
The Barnes X-Bullet made the .223 a legitimate whitetail cartridge,(any size whitetail)!
I don't know if this is similar or not but since I have been using the smaller 7mm-08 at 139 grain I have had deer go down fast especially when I get the double lung shot. When I dress them out it looks like the bullet just disintegrated the lungs.
Look at the 55g hammer hunter for .243.
I’m hesitant to use it but have had great success with the 70g hammer hunter.
Wish they had a 62-63g Hunter option.
I use tikka 204 40grain Remington Accu-tip haven’t had a problem dropping deer.
I shot 3 deer last season with 55gr Barnes vortx ammunition with one dropping where it stood , and the other two never went more than 40-60yds all being shoulder shots.
75gr Hornady HP here. Never had one go more than about 20 yards and most fell right where they were hit. 87BTHP was almost as good. But limited to maybe 12 deer. So take it for what it is worth.
62 grain green tip I’ve taken 3 Wyoming whitetail
I’ve taken down plenty of deer with my 22-250 55 grain plus plenty of hogs and a 250lbs boar with my 22-250
I have H&Rbull barrel single shot in 22/250 AN 223 an use 55 gr blasting tip in the 223 .I use 50 gr hollow point in the 22/250 75 to 100 yards head or neck shots never lost a deer
If you already have an ar 15, go get yourself a .450 bushmaster upper for 300 bucks, and some heavier recoil springs, mag, and a scope. This will allow you to put more money into a nice scope. If you want to use 5.56, ive had good luck with 68 grain boat tail hollow points
I have used 223/556 60gr Vmax for deer and hogs for depredation permits. For years I have witnessed vertebrae’s being removed from the neck and laying on the ground right beside you cannot do that type of damage in that area of anything without it not going down.
The permanent wound channel is 3 1/2 to 7 inches deep and phenomenal formants need to take in consideration how large and thick hard and bone structure of your target
The 55 grain 243 is an amazing round and is very devastating to whitetails
Bullshit. Just stop.
I've never used a .243 but I have used a 6mm Remington on both deer and elk. I always used a 100 grain bullet except on a couple deer. I stopped using that rifle because it caused more capillary damage than any other rifle I own including mag. calibers. Shot placement with it was of the utmost importance to avoid hitting any big bones. It sure is poison on coyotes at long range.
Thanks for sharing your experiences and insights, Russell. I've not had issues with big bones interfering with my 6mm Rem. or 243 Win. deer killing performance although once on a Black Hills buck (1973) I send a 105-gr. Herter's round nose (silly bullet for a 6mm) as a follow up as the buck ran away. Hit the left ham and merely blew up a lot of meat. Years later the same thing happened on a Dall ram with a 300 WSM pushing a Rem. Core-Lokt. As for blood shot meat (capillary damage,) one of the worst I've ever seen was on the big buck I arrowed last fall at BigKansasWhitetails.com. Sevr broadhead fired from a TenPoint 505 Nitro crossbow at roughly 485 fps. Hit tight behind the right leg. Arrow passed out in front of the left shoulder. Buck ran hard about 150 yards. Found him piled up in the woods. When Big Kansas guide Micah Collins and I skinned and processed that buck, we discovered blood shot meat as far back as one rear leg and forward into the neck. Only worse case I recall seeing was on a CO mule deer taken with a Berger 140-gr. VLD Hunting bullet from a 6.5-280 AI at 3,150 fps. About 180 yards away. Two hits behind the shoulder. I now believe "blood shot meat" is more about the animal moving, running, etc. after being shot, the blood thus being pump out of the damaged blood vessels. I suspect if just the right arteries are cut, the damage is maximized. I also suspect the hydraulic pressures of the bullet strike can force blood out through the damaged arteries, too, but if a simple cutting broadhead can nearly equal the "blood shot" meat impact of a 140-gr. bullet at 3,150 fps, it's not just high impact bullets causing the issue.
The 55 grain ballistic tip has a fairly thick solid base. I wonder if that base is enough to ensure that at least part of the bullet penetrates deeper.
I would be interested to hear if performance on deer changes with faster twist barrels. My thinking is that the additional forces on the bullet from the fast twist might make it come apart too soon? Anyone have experience with this?
I’ve used those same 55gr noslers @4000fps they are very effective on deer it will drop them like a dirty sock, needs to be a broadside ideally, never had one make it out the hide on the off side. It will jellify the heart.
60 grain nosler partition in 22-250 work very well on deer. I will not use them hunting in
the woods though, only in open areas with relatively close shots. With that said,
my go to caliber for woods hunting is a 250 grain barnes TTSX outta my .375
ruger, makes the brush almost obsolete. It's cool using those little tiny bullets
to kill relatively large animals but all it takes is 1 small branch or piece of brush
and you have a wounded animal. Even with a .243 or .270. I've had to go too many
miles following wounded deer for precisely this reason.
Any twig will divert the trajectory of almost any hunting bullet an unacceptable amount, if the twig isn't very close to the game. Brush cartridges are for the most part a perpetuated myth.
Arthur Spooner says a lot of crazy things. He's right about some things, but he's definitely not always right.
When in AK a guy was trying to kill caribou with a 223 with hollowpoint . I told him to try soft points .
Wound channel is important
Wound cavity is important
Balance the two depending on your target, and you'll bag'em every time
The smaller caliber. The more likely game gets away. Obviously anything thay pierces the skin and vitals is deadly. Its a debate between speed and concussion. A .17 can kill just the same as a 12 Guage slug. But whats left after the 12 Guage impact!
For example...... if your game is on the run. How good is your shot placement going to be?
Ron I recently purchased an axis2 in 6.5 cm I'm wondering if a winchester 129 PowerPoint will be good for Texas hogs I was told by a few it may not be for some larger ones.Thoughts on this theory thanks
the Alaska wolf man frank Glaser said his 220 swift killed all game in Alaska quicker the any other round The swift Glaser said didn't work so well on bears but it killed moose, caribou and sheep as far as you wanted to shoot. glacier was shooting a 49 gr soft point and he lived and hunted in Alaska for 35 years. Check out his book Alaska wolf man.
Interesting
I ve called it hydrolic shock. Super high velocity will blow out eyes, rectum, and turn the “boiler room” to jello. IF properly placed. Thanks Ron.
I'd be curious to know the size deer he's shooting with the varmint bullets. I'm hunting in Canada , my last 3 doe's field dressed close to 150 pounds, I couldn't imagine using such a light bullet on them let alone a big buck. I do like the. 243 , but I'll stick with the 100 gr pointed soft points.
With how shit your gun laws are i can’t imagine the laws on hunting .
The other thing to keep in mind with something like deer besides whether you’re able to effectively kill it or not is that you’re shooting it for meat, not hides or pest control. A frangible lead bullet is going to leave a whole lot of toxic fragments scattered through your meat. I don’t even want to use bonded lead bullets for that reason (shooting solid copper here), but a frangible one seems like a wasteful nightmare.
Nw florida here.i shoot 110sst Hornaday black out of my 300blk. Complete devastation on the ones I have had the opportunity to take. 98% are Complete pass through. Most of my shots are under 200yds. The main thing to remember is to know the limitations of yourself and your equipment.
With only 2 experience on this subject
1- doe shot in lungs at 40 yards with .223 soft point in 30 seconds it was dead not 5 yards from shot.
2- doe shot at 20 yards with .223 hollow point boat tail thru heart n lungs drops in less than 15 yards
One of my uncles shot a .223 WSSM it was insane
Hmmmm,,,,,,,,I suspect you'd get identical or even better results using a standard 55gr M193 in 5.56?? That round produces the devastating grapefruit size stretch cavity you describe. We can use 22 centerfire ammo on whitetail here in Michigan. Only rimfire is prohibited.
as hunters we dot like fragmentation of bullets bc of meat contamination
I have to say with my 257 rbts the 100grn Remington bullets would fragment and destroy the heart and lungs but no blood trail not a thing in thick woods 120 nosler partitions solved the problem quarter size entry and exit wounds no more lost deer same with my friends 25/06 he likes the acubond
Might work on 100 lb. Texas whitetails, but not in Northern Wisconsin. Had a friend that used a 243 one year. No exit wound, no blood, ran off. Only after making circles for 200 yards did he find it. Most does are at 100 lbs and a good mature buck is over 200 on the hoof. I'll stick to my .308 165 grain hornadys.
Hill country and north Texas does, yes. We averaged 140 on does and 215 lbs on bucks 5years and up this past season here in south Texas… we shoot most of our culls with an AR so we don’t have to carry a separate hog gun. 77grain is the deal, but hundreds of deer have been killed w 55g on the ranch. 100% success rate on clean shots. It flat knocks em down, you hit a heart and typically there’s only 1/4 left of it that’s left and the rest mangled pieces of mush.. don’t knock it till you try it.
@@christaylor4086i took my biggest buck with a 223 last year. 217 lbs off the hoof and he dropped. Behind the shoulder and i hunt in the “central” texas deer. The panhandle deer are massive!! I thinks times have changed cuz the deer I’ve seen up in Childress and Guthrie are beasts!!!
I've killed a lot of deer with a 87 GR HPBT. HORNADY in a 243 and never lost one.
Iv got severe neck issues doc. Said no more 12 g or 30 30 so thinking 556 223 but just dont know what the best round is any suggestions??
Controlled expansion bullets 55-gr. or heavier. More frangible cup-core bullets if you place them behind shoulder in heart/lungs. Keep shots inside of 200 yards. Neck/brain shots can be deadly, but too easy to miss slightly and cause horrific jaw, nose, throat wound. Another option is 243 Win. with muzzle brake or suppressor. The heavier the rifle, the less the felt recoil.
Those high velocity bullets do some violent damage to tissue, explosive is the correct term. (all bullets are violent but..) I think Hornady needs to come out with a 338 and 375prc, or at least something that hits harder than the 300 that's still able to be fired by a mortal man. nOT SURE ABOUT THE 338 Norma Magnum or the 338RPM that Wheaterby makes but.. could be the next big game rifle.
All i have is a 556 with 20" barrel. Im going hunting this year for the first time. Im honestly not worried about the bullet, the deer here in texas are not mini elks so 🤷
You could use m193 and still drop a deer within 150 yards .
Hey guys. I have some 50 grain JHP varmint/predator by federal (.223 ) will this be suffice with fair shot placement for a whitetail doe?
Thanks for your excelent content. I am from south africa and as you propably know we cannot just walk into a store and buy a firearm, therefore we cannot just buy a gun to just test it out and sell it if we are unhappy as this process will propably take a year or two. Thus, I have a question: which CALIBER would be most versatile if you could only own 2 or 3 rifles. 1 that has great barrel life and cheap for plinking and varmints, 1 for medium game and small deer like impala and 1 for our big game like eland or kudu. All these has to be in a single caliber to minimise reloading equipment needed. For example a 6ARC should be fine for plinkin and varmints and a 6 creedmoor should be fine for medium game but I doubt any 6mm will be capable of reliably taking Eland and the opposite is true for the 30 cals, there are options for eland and smaller game but not really for varmints. I am egar to see what you would recommend.
I like the way you're thinking, Jaco, but I'm not so sure you'll save on reloading equipment by maintaining the same caliber across 3 dif. cartridges. Your press, scale, trimmer, etc. will be universal. You'll need to buy dies for each cartridge regardless caliber. Primers and powder are pretty much the same for any and all except small diameter primer for 223 family, large for 30-06 etc. Two or three types of powder should suffice. You'll want shorter, lighter bullets for the smaller game/rifle, longer and heavier for the bigger game and rifle. So why not roll with a 223 Rem. or equivalent for the small stuff (I've found it adequate for brush hares, duiker, dik dik, steenbuck, baboon, impala)? The 30-06 would/could do it all as a one-gun option. 100 to 110-grain plinker bullets for the small stuff , 150- to 165- for medium game, 180- to 220-grain for kudu and up. My wife terminated a massive bull eland with a single 180-gr. from her 30-06 Savage rifle five years ago. My 7mm Rem. Mag. has taken eland, too. I've had great luck with a 7mm-08 for everything from steenbuck to kudu and blue wildebeest. I've not doubt it would handle eland. 7mm Mauser was perfect for warthog, blesbok, roan. Really, I think you could do fine with a 223 Rem or equivalent and a 7mm mag of some kind or 30-06 or equivalent. Try to stick with one caliber and you'll be significantly overpowered for the small stuff. But you can always load for low velocity to compensate. Lots of options, Jaco. Knowing what I know about hunting southern Africa, I'd go 223 Rem. and 30-06, then spend my time choosing the right bullets for what I'm targeting.
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Thanks a Lot Ron, I feel honored by your speedy reply.
Hydrostatic shock isn’t a thing . It’s a term Berger coined to sell frangible target bullets in a hunting bullet box .
User, "hydrostatic shock" -- whether theory or nonsense -- has been around since at least the 1940s. It is most often associated with Roy Weatherby who sang it loudly and often to sell his high velocity cartridges. Berger is late to this party. That said, relatively frangible bullets at high impact speeds tend to break up within the chest cavity, tearing vital organs radically and causing rapid blood loss and death in what might be an explanation for Hydrostatic Shock. There is also some evidence for the additional pressure from a high vel. bullet hitting the heart during it systolic (pumping) phase elevates blood pressure enough to cause blood vessels to erupt in the brain.
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My two cents is my deer kills with my 7×57 154 grain Hornady worked but never a one shot drop. They all ran between 50 and 200 yards. Shot thru the lungs.
Animals do funny things when shot. I put a 12ga slug through a deers heart at 30 yards and it still made it 100 yards before collapsing.
Have had bad luck with frangable bullets on quartering shots
Most of us have, David.
I’ve used the 77 grain OTM in 5.56 for euthanizing deer. Explodes the vitals, usually no exit. I would not try to punch a shoulder or anything though. I use 70 grain tsx for that.
My son uses his AR 15 with the 223 55gr hornady vmax and both deer his first year of hunting went less than 70 yards. It's all about shot placement
my 2 cents...I've gotten white tails with my 223 using 55 grain hollow points...heart/lung shots...if ya shoot them in the rear end, naw ya ain't gonna get them
Been doing it for decades, 25-06 75 grain v max. No tracking, no I think it's hydrashock, it knocks them out, they then die within seconds, and never move...
I used 100 grain in 243 for years under 200 yards. The deer dropped where they were neck shots 55 grain? I wouldn’t use that light
Hit a doe with a .223 Remington Hornady 53g Amax at 200 yrds. DRT
Not to long ago I took down a bull moose with 30-30 55 gr Accelerator round lung shot dropped in its tracks
No better neck shot, and behind the shoulder lung shot bullet has ever been made than the 55gr V-max
I completely agree. V max is very effective in the vitals or neck.
Its called shock, yes its explosive,huge energy dump, it all goes into the animal
I just loaded some Amax 75 gr as hot as possible and am hoping they will be good for deer. Any thoughts?
Shot 5 does with 73 eldm, which I think is same construction as Amax. They’ve all been waited for the perfect behind the shoulder shot. One yearling dropped where it was standing. The other 4 all ran about 40 yards and made a U turn at the end and fell over. Wierd how they all did that he same thing. No exits. Not a bullet and caliber I’d use going after a buck but from the small sample I’ve seen they worked well
I don't own a 22-250, but my good friend has been shooting one for decades. He has never missed a deer with his rebarreled Rem 700. It shoots one ragged hole at 100 yds. I've seen the proof in his trophy room. Granted, South Texas doesn't have the biggest deer, but they fall dead after one shot. 🤷🏼♂️
70 grain BTHP = lungs like jello. No tracking involved.
It an massive increase of blood pressure that causes a back wash that shuts down the brain and nervous system Ron 😅
I never shoot at the rear end of any game animal if I can't get the bullet in the lungs I'll pass close to 100 deer never list one I think the magic number is 3000 fps