Man, such a fun episode, Raz was a great guest and Monte and Raz made it really fun and analytical in simpler ways plebs understand (just as he used to do in OGN). Raz possessing Monte was so funny. Monte still has great analysis, sadly people stopped appreciating how a great of an analyst he is. People like him and Deficio actually still got it. I hope Deficio will also guest in one of the future LEC episodes, he was such a great guest.
@@CarlosCarlangas team made it to the finals and with a sub jungler pushed c9 at their best to 5 games and c9 pulled out something to deal with tl. Never had it.
Its not so much that I was surprised they were good, but I was surprised over this new style they play, and take it to the early game and simply push C9 off the map. and that is I feel 100 thieves and TSM are lacking, the killer instinct and continue to for the throat. To me TSM & 100t, give their opponents to much time to recover by giving them time.
13:35 THANK YOU RAZ. Blaber has no idea what to do and it shows. And also great points by monte, it feels like they are headless chicken and in the end Blaber drags the team down. That one fight toplane in game 3 vs. TL was also caused by Blaber overstepping when the rest of the team was retreating, that wasn't a planned or great fight by C9, they just got lucky that Goredrinker + Xin R is so busted so that Blaber wasn't insta-killed...
DL was saying Zven is a bit of a choker in playoffs. I dont know enough about NA to say that its true or not, but i can totally see C9 replacing Zven or Blabber or both.
i remember zven almost singlehandedly let TL reverse sweep TSM at the LCS finals like 2 years ago. maybe 3 years ago. it was the year TL went to MSI finals. zven threw multiple times that game during the most important times.
Nope, I do agree when it matters he always shows the fk up but except in his days in c9 I don't ever think he's been the best top in na. I do feel like he's always been top 3 tho.
Eternal Return is a pretty fun MOBAxBR where the looting and crafting system helps it lean a bit to strategy rather than just luck in what you pick up.
I for sure would monitor some high elo games for minimum wage, anyone around plat or diamond should be able to determine whether a high elo player is trolling or simply messed up
TL v C9 was the only time this split it felt like Jensen was his former self hard smashing people in lane where as the last 3 years he was basically POE2.0 an upgrade for sure but still super passive so it was good to see him really step up and they can do some real work if he keeps this form going
1:59:39 sadly this is not a thing but viewers can and should support the shows they like by doing stuff like subscribing to the show's Twitch channel, buying merch, donating if possible. I bought a hoodie last year and a t-shirt this year from the LEC merch store just to support them cuz its an amazing show which I love to watch, the cloths are pretty nice as well so it's a win win
i really wish they would talk more about LPL and LCK. It's always half LCS, half LEC nowadays. The old SI usually had a little time reserved to talk eastern storylines. Still though, thankful we have SI in any form again, much better than nothing
kinda curious where this jankos going to na comes from since whenever u watch his stream and he is serious, he always says he would rather stream than go to na
Fun fact: TSM didn’t go to worlds for 2 years (2018-2019), and c9 didn’t go to worlds last year (2020) and could possibly miss worlds this year. The common factor between them: zven, not that it’s all his fault but replacing doublelift and then replacing sneaky hasn’t lead to anything big yet
I think this is a pretty bad take. The entire scene has changed entirely since then, not only that but to point to Sven as a common denominator here and imply that it is why teams he was on didn't go to worlds is to completely ignore every other factor that may have affected their results.
I don't think you can watch those games and say Zven was the problem. There was the one catch on Ezreal. But for the most part, it was a team difference, not an ADC difference.
Main point of tsm over c9 in this situation is I think vulcan has been super off so I think tsm has a better chance vs tl because of the support difference in swordart over vulcan in current form and with c9 miscommunication spica should be stronger then blaber so overall I think tsm is a stronger c9 and should make this series the best series before finals
I think Max Waldo and VeigarV2 have less impact than some people think. From the little insight we got, they work with individual players on laning and some fundamentals, but the overall game is still dictated by the players, which is why there seems to be alot of conflict about how to play.
I would agree with them related to LCK comment for year 2019 and 2020. This year however if you look at current top four teams they are not like what they are describing at all. NS and SB fight constantly and attack sidelines all the time. Both teams skirmish extremely well. Same with the current T1. They are super proactive in the early game and their mid game macro has been super good. DWG there’s not much to be said. Even teams like afreeca if you actually watch their game are coming around. I think it’s pretty evident that Thorin and monte haven’t really watched LCK recently because the changes at the top of LCK is definitely happening to adjust to the current way LOL is being played.
LCK is great this year. You're correct. We don't even know the best team. I've been saying Liiv SB is the best. They have a very good roster of young talent and veteran shot calling.
How is it that the logic always changes, but the conclusion is always: "TSM will lose"? If TSM is sucking, then we should go by current form and TSM will lose. If others are sucking, you must assume that they will improve and TSM will lose. If we're thinking international, then obviously you can assume that because of their *playstyle* (insert any possible playstyle there) TSM will lose. If TSM isn't playing at all, they will probably lose as well.
@@xXRazorbacksXx Yeah and then look what happens when they face more competent competition at international play. Last summer both TL and C9 collapsed and TSM had a miracle run after losing 5 games in a row to GG who were like the 6th best team. They havnt won anything in the past 4 years other than that fluke run.
@@Nikolai-pf1dm You're sitting in a youtube comment section calling the achievements of people way better than you flukes. You've reached the bottom, friend.
@@xXRazorbacksXx Im saying a team who lost 60% of their games to the 6th best team, had the worst 1st seed record in history at worlds, and relied on the collapse of the majority of the competition to narrowly win the tournament probably wasnt that great a team. Youre flexing their championships, but other than that run, which i do indeed consider a fluke they havnt won anything in 4 years. You dont have to be a chef to say a plate of dogshit smells. :)
It would be a great move for EG to pick up blaber. I don’t see any of the other top teams needing him unless TL split with santorin but I don’t see that happening. 100T and TSM don’t need him.
Blaber is a horrible jungler if you aim for #1 in LCS or international success. He got figured out at MSI, LCS adapted and ever since then he gets exposed for being a jungler that can't read the map and has poor decision making.
@@seb_yt6695 Blaber's only been starting the past two years and won 2/3 of the last splits and could still win this one...Dont know how hes a bad choice for aiming for #1 in LCS lol. Your sample size of games since MSI is also poor to say he's been figured out, not even knowing the results of the rest of playoffs. Im far from a c9 fan and dont even like blaber that much as a player but you're kinda talking out your ass by saying he's all of a sudden bad now. Even being "bad" hes a top 3/4 jungler in the league and an NA native which is hard to pass up in LCS.
Completely agree with removing blabber. In critical games he simply capitulates. Misses smite on dragons and barons, flashes for scuttle and dying, throwing himself at the enemy. He’s awful.
@@jp-sn6si he hasn't been the best player on c9 in a while. Not all his fault with how everyone else is playing but he doesn't make things better usually and sometimes is actively making things worse.
Maybe it's because I am not an expert about the game like Raz or Monte, but I don't see how the EG-DIG series looks clean for EG and how makes them look like a contender.
LET'S BE REAL Perkz is playing with a bad jungler that ints every other crab. His top perma freezes because he cant' win his lane while the team gets destroyed on the map. The botlane is kinda good but not even the best in NA. He just came out of a shit MSI where he couldn't even impose himself against fckin Pentanet. Then played a ton of games in a meaningless regular season just to get top 8 while they didn't even let him wear a cap to not get blinded by lights. By now he probably understood that even if he goes to Worlds he's doomed, no one is saving NA and he can't even save himself.
Ziggs isnt a stupid strat. 3 lanes, 2 jungle sections. I have played since the s1, hit master a while back (casual player), was an analyst with elementz eu / aka clg eu in worlds 3. The assumption and illusion of the "meta" is based on complexity theory (think qwerty key boards). Meaning, the early meta of the game tank, mage, adc, support, jungle is not real. Optimal play, is 3 strong lanes, 2 jungles. You see it with support as a jungler type (shen/trundle) control mage mid/adc mage type, melee jungler and safe sustained or top. 3 safe type lanes and 2 supports. funnel money to the win condition. That is the game. The true evolution of League would be 100% battle in the jungles. Think of the power of level ones. The entire game can be decided.
This didnt age well did it? TSM were working together better than the other teams but if you just compare players they are just worse in most roles and have an over all lower ceiling. It also helped them massively that the 2 finalists in spring both had issues and played with subs for a while. I wouldnt mind having seen TSM go to worlds again because im pretty sure they would go 0-6 again unless they dodge the eu 3rd seed and get a wildcard instead. TSM simply doesnt have the highs it takes to beat the other worlds teams. The team has weaker components than last year with arguably harder seeding.
I think C9 is overhyped this summer split, they had the worst record of the top 5 teams, that fact that TL smashed them is not surprising, I mean who takes 2v2 mid fights against a sejuani at level 3. I think TSM takes the TL series but I wouldn't be surprised if EG ints against 100T.
I just imagined a world in which thorin is playing among us with monte and calling an emergency meeting to sus someone. And let me tell You it was glorious.
"You have to take team Liquid" Yeah not the team who has a 5/0 record vs tl in regular season, makes sense. Maybe just accept the fact that c9 is shit right now who is also 1/4 vs tsm.
Also Perkz was abused, he has the most deaths pre 15 min in the LCS with 26 because he pushes recklessly. Meanwhile POE is known for playing passive in the landing phase in mid and he has 10 total deaths pre 15 min. C9 and TSM also play like completely different teams. I really think it might be that the whole “NA sucks and TSM went 0-6 at worlds so they are dogshit then and forever” narrative needs to be talked about.
@@1123Steveo it's not only because of that narrative. Many people just hate tsm. They legit won summer last year and everyone was just talking about how bad c9 and talked about "worst lcs level ever". All that even before they went to worlds
Did you forget what happened in spring? TSM also won every game and got destroyed in playoffs. Regular season best of 1s are different from bo5. Teams will actively try new things in regular season if they are confident in getting to playoffs regardless.
Jesus most of this players mentioned here are import, is there US players in league not guys that got us residency, mean proper stars and stripes players
Raz should stick to commenting on the game and stop making political statements or dispensing healthcare advice in the middle of his analyst bits on the LCS when he's not a doctor, then i'd actually like him.
@Peter P Wrong on both counts i'm afraid, you didn't even guess the correct continent for my nationality and as for ignorance, well i imagine one of us knows a whole lot about MRNA vaccines and the effectiveness (or rather lack thereof) and dangers of them, and one of us just took it "cuz the guy on the TV said so". You can make your own judgements on which one of those constitutes ignorance. Either way my point still stands, the dumbass who's job is to comment on which video game team plays the game to a higher standard certainly isn't a health expert, so he should just shut up about it.
The premise that a game - where you need to have like 3 to 4 precise clicks per second to have good movement, while obviously also precisely aiming skillshots or targeting opponents, while _also_ having good camera movement - was inherently inferior on a mechanical level to moving with WASD is absolutely moronic... In that case why can't CS:GO players just pick up league and have JJKing/Faker/Chovy/Rookie/Uzi level mechanics? And how can Thorin know the aforementioned players and still believe that League doesn't have a high mechanical skill ceiling? Sure, the game has a low mechanical skill floor - you just need to click around...but so do ego shooters. Any 6 year old can move around using WASD and press left click to shoot at where the cursor is...they'd just suck at it. Just how mechanically non-proficient players suck at league on a micro level. I even know someone who plays competitively on a semi pro level in CS:GO and is supposedly (from what I've heard) one of the better mechanical players in that skill bracket and he's also played league (quite extensively) for years - yet is "only" Diamond (peaked high D2 in S3 - before master etc was a thing) and his mechanics aren't even his forte. His League mechanics are average at best for a diamond player. He even says himself that he isn't mechanically good in league.
@@sneauxday7002 yeah that's pretty much the infantile attitude I'd expect from people who don't get what I'm saying/aren't proficient in both games and don't have a clue what they're talking about. But sure, makes sense to side with Thorin. If I had never played League, I'd definitely trust a low elo silver player, like Thorin, to be an expert on the game's mechanical skill ceiling /s
Man, such a fun episode, Raz was a great guest and Monte and Raz made it really fun and analytical in simpler ways plebs understand (just as he used to do in OGN). Raz possessing Monte was so funny. Monte still has great analysis, sadly people stopped appreciating how a great of an analyst he is. People like him and Deficio actually still got it. I hope Deficio will also guest in one of the future LEC episodes, he was such a great guest.
I didn't care for it. Plep talk is annoying. Let's move on from the simple shit already! What a waste of time that actually was.
@@prophecyreaver1080 plep plep plep
The quality of content this guys are able to create every single week is just insane. Thank you very much for this dudes.
Warcraft 3 had a chance to revive RTS, but Blizzard did a Blizzard... The custom games and such would make it really good for casual players.
Can't wait for this one, I expect Jensen hype from Thorin :)
facts, ive been waiting forever for jensen to finally just pop off... if he can keep this form man oh man...
@@mylastaccount8328 man smurfs all over perkz on a nerfed champ that's not even his pick, dude's just got it when it counts somehow
@@NoradNoxtus yep, just hope they cant keep this aggression up. These games weren't even close.
I like how TL finally gets their full team and people are suprised their full team is good.
they had it in spring and still were ass
@@CarlosCarlangas they didnt have their full team in playoffs and they had the best by a large margin early game but ya never had it
@@CarlosCarlangas team made it to the finals and with a sub jungler pushed c9 at their best to 5 games and c9 pulled out something to deal with tl. Never had it.
Its not so much that I was surprised they were good, but I was surprised over this new style they play, and take it to the early game and simply push C9 off the map. and that is I feel 100 thieves and TSM are lacking, the killer instinct and continue to for the throat. To me TSM & 100t, give their opponents to much time to recover by giving them time.
@@CarlosCarlangas they had their best regular season result ever... yea ass
13:35 THANK YOU RAZ. Blaber has no idea what to do and it shows. And also great points by monte, it feels like they are headless chicken and in the end Blaber drags the team down.
That one fight toplane in game 3 vs. TL was also caused by Blaber overstepping when the rest of the team was retreating, that wasn't a planned or great fight by C9, they just got lucky that Goredrinker + Xin R is so busted so that Blaber wasn't insta-killed...
Great episode, Raz always shines
"Tiiiiiiime is on my side, yes it is"
DL was saying Zven is a bit of a choker in playoffs. I dont know enough about NA to say that its true or not, but i can totally see C9 replacing Zven or Blabber or both.
i remember zven almost singlehandedly let TL reverse sweep TSM at the LCS finals like 2 years ago. maybe 3 years ago. it was the year TL went to MSI finals. zven threw multiple times that game during the most important times.
@@jp-sn6si not almost he did lol. Although props to DL for calling the play for the first int. The second in that game was all Zven.
@@RexZShadow Zven walking up like he’s a tank at baron and getting one shot by Jensen’s Syndra x) Classic monster int
@@RexZShadow yo that was xsmithie all the way man. all DL did was confirm.
No Sneaky No Worlds
love the commandos games as well. they were quite popular on my country among gamers back in the day
I still dont get how Impact is treated like his just a descent NA toplaner. He has probably been top 1 NA toplaner for like 5 years.
Nope, I do agree when it matters he always shows the fk up but except in his days in c9 I don't ever think he's been the best top in na. I do feel like he's always been top 3 tho.
Eternal Return is a pretty fun MOBAxBR where the looting and crafting system helps it lean a bit to strategy rather than just luck in what you pick up.
I for sure would monitor some high elo games for minimum wage, anyone around plat or diamond should be able to determine whether a high elo player is trolling or simply messed up
TL v C9 was the only time this split it felt like Jensen was his former self hard smashing people in lane where as the last 3 years he was basically POE2.0 an upgrade for sure but still super passive so it was good to see him really step up and they can do some real work if he keeps this form going
It's Dardoch's immortals time
honestly just here to hear more raz lol
FF 8 is the most under rated single player game
I can
1:59:39 sadly this is not a thing but viewers can and should support the shows they like by doing stuff like subscribing to the show's Twitch channel, buying merch, donating if possible. I bought a hoodie last year and a t-shirt this year from the LEC merch store just to support them cuz its an amazing show which I love to watch, the cloths are pretty nice as well so it's a win win
45:25 Raz taking over the Podcast
Where's the Dardoch content suggestions from Monty?
Fly Quest was referred to as C9 Green.
If C9 bought Jankos they'd become G2 Blue.
Tl eg 100t going worlds
i remember the commandos games
i really wish they would talk more about LPL and LCK. It's always half LCS, half LEC nowadays. The old SI usually had a little time reserved to talk eastern storylines. Still though, thankful we have SI in any form again, much better than nothing
Of course the talk about there regions lol. And whats to talk about LCK the all play worse then ever and LPL is Billionärs play thing.
@@xythiera7255 LCK is still way better than LCS. LPL is the best league by far. LCS is millionaires and VC fund playground and yet you care about that
Xythiera And the LCS isn't both of those things?
Always love a Pokemon reference on a SI
Thorin Thee Great
Age of Empires 2 made a mild comeback, maybe AoE4 can revive RTS.
I really believe Spica would be a better fit as C9's jungler.
GenGi could be realy sick with Doinb mid.
kinda curious where this jankos going to na comes from since whenever u watch his stream and he is serious, he always says he would rather stream than go to na
A few million USD can affect that formula.
Spica on c9 would be interesting tbh. totally agree blaber would be the person that needs to go this split
Fun fact: TSM didn’t go to worlds for 2 years (2018-2019), and c9 didn’t go to worlds last year (2020) and could possibly miss worlds this year.
The common factor between them: zven, not that it’s all his fault but replacing doublelift and then replacing sneaky hasn’t lead to anything big yet
I think this is a pretty bad take. The entire scene has changed entirely since then, not only that but to point to Sven as a common denominator here and imply that it is why teams he was on didn't go to worlds is to completely ignore every other factor that may have affected their results.
@@uxaenarrhythmia1483 it’s not a take
Tho it’s just the truth
I don't think you can watch those games and say Zven was the problem. There was the one catch on Ezreal. But for the most part, it was a team difference, not an ADC difference.
@@kylehugenberg4669 no one said it was his fault - just that it’s fact that teams with Zven have not made worlds
C9 get Sofm (or Jankos but I don't think he'll ever go to NA), replace Zven with a domestic ADC and they're money.
good episode
Main point of tsm over c9 in this situation is I think vulcan has been super off so I think tsm has a better chance vs tl because of the support difference in swordart over vulcan in current form and with c9 miscommunication spica should be stronger then blaber so overall I think tsm is a stronger c9 and should make this series the best series before finals
I think Max Waldo and VeigarV2 have less impact than some people think. From the little insight we got, they work with individual players on laning and some fundamentals, but the overall game is still dictated by the players, which is why there seems to be alot of conflict about how to play.
I would agree with them related to LCK comment for year 2019 and 2020. This year however if you look at current top four teams they are not like what they are describing at all. NS and SB fight constantly and attack sidelines all the time. Both teams skirmish extremely well. Same with the current T1. They are super proactive in the early game and their mid game macro has been super good. DWG there’s not much to be said. Even teams like afreeca if you actually watch their game are coming around. I think it’s pretty evident that Thorin and monte haven’t really watched LCK recently because the changes at the top of LCK is definitely happening to adjust to the current way LOL is being played.
LCK is great this year. You're correct. We don't even know the best team. I've been saying Liiv SB is the best. They have a very good roster of young talent and veteran shot calling.
Banger episode. (^_^)
the ppv argument doesnt work sorry unless they find a away to make it a subscription based one
Perkz went to C9 becouse he didnt like to play adc . Why woud he go back to adc .
Do you think Blaber would suit EG's 'go get them' style?
EDIT: Thorin literally suggested this after I typed this. Dammit... channelling Duncan XD
1:20:00
How is it that the logic always changes, but the conclusion is always: "TSM will lose"? If TSM is sucking, then we should go by current form and TSM will lose. If others are sucking, you must assume that they will improve and TSM will lose. If we're thinking international, then obviously you can assume that because of their *playstyle* (insert any possible playstyle there) TSM will lose. If TSM isn't playing at all, they will probably lose as well.
Because the results typically back up the conclusion beyond 2020 Summer
@@jansanxj 7 championships say otherwise.
@@xXRazorbacksXx Yeah and then look what happens when they face more competent competition at international play. Last summer both TL and C9 collapsed and TSM had a miracle run after losing 5 games in a row to GG who were like the 6th best team. They havnt won anything in the past 4 years other than that fluke run.
@@Nikolai-pf1dm You're sitting in a youtube comment section calling the achievements of people way better than you flukes. You've reached the bottom, friend.
@@xXRazorbacksXx Im saying a team who lost 60% of their games to the 6th best team, had the worst 1st seed record in history at worlds, and relied on the collapse of the majority of the competition to narrowly win the tournament probably wasnt that great a team. Youre flexing their championships, but other than that run, which i do indeed consider a fluke they havnt won anything in 4 years. You dont have to be a chef to say a plate of dogshit smells. :)
Sumday right now would get absolutely bullied internationally in the top lane.
It would be a great move for EG to pick up blaber. I don’t see any of the other top teams needing him unless TL split with santorin but I don’t see that happening. 100T and TSM don’t need him.
Blaber is a horrible jungler if you aim for #1 in LCS or international success. He got figured out at MSI, LCS adapted and ever since then he gets exposed for being a jungler that can't read the map and has poor decision making.
@@seb_yt6695 Blaber's only been starting the past two years and won 2/3 of the last splits and could still win this one...Dont know how hes a bad choice for aiming for #1 in LCS lol. Your sample size of games since MSI is also poor to say he's been figured out, not even knowing the results of the rest of playoffs. Im far from a c9 fan and dont even like blaber that much as a player but you're kinda talking out your ass by saying he's all of a sudden bad now. Even being "bad" hes a top 3/4 jungler in the league and an NA native which is hard to pass up in LCS.
Yes Immortal gates of pyre!
Completely agree with removing blabber. In critical games he simply capitulates. Misses smite on dragons and barons, flashes for scuttle and dying, throwing himself at the enemy. He’s awful.
he's the best player on c9 when he shows up. that team is a mess, it's easy to blame the jg.
@@jp-sn6si he hasn't been the best player on c9 in a while. Not all his fault with how everyone else is playing but he doesn't make things better usually and sometimes is actively making things worse.
“Tacticals ceiling isn’t very high” what? He has the highest ceiling of ads in the lcs he just runs it very often
Higher than Danny? Nahhh...
...i mean the biggest problems for korean lol is the draft....not meta concept
Dardoch's Revenge: th-cam.com/video/6anGte40Uzc/w-d-xo.html
Maybe it's because I am not an expert about the game like Raz or Monte, but I don't see how the EG-DIG series looks clean for EG and how makes them look like a contender.
Can't wait for TSM to slap TL
Import Import Import xDDDD Thats NA! xD
C9 Xerxe?
LET'S BE REAL Perkz is playing with a bad jungler that ints every other crab. His top perma freezes because he cant' win his lane while the team gets destroyed on the map. The botlane is kinda good but not even the best in NA. He just came out of a shit MSI where he couldn't even impose himself against fckin Pentanet. Then played a ton of games in a meaningless regular season just to get top 8 while they didn't even let him wear a cap to not get blinded by lights. By now he probably understood that even if he goes to Worlds he's doomed, no one is saving NA and he can't even save himself.
Ziggs isnt a stupid strat. 3 lanes, 2 jungle sections. I have played since the s1, hit master a while back (casual player), was an analyst with elementz eu / aka clg eu in worlds 3. The assumption and illusion of the "meta" is based on complexity theory (think qwerty key boards). Meaning, the early meta of the game tank, mage, adc, support, jungle is not real. Optimal play, is 3 strong lanes, 2 jungles. You see it with support as a jungler type (shen/trundle) control mage mid/adc mage type, melee jungler and safe sustained or top. 3 safe type lanes and 2 supports. funnel money to the win condition. That is the game. The true evolution of League would be 100% battle in the jungles. Think of the power of level ones. The entire game can be decided.
Ah, yes, asking if the 3rd seed team are the favorites, casually forgetting about seed 1 and 2
It's Summoning Insight. They'd sooner swallow a cyanide pill than say anything positive about TSM.
This didnt age well did it? TSM were working together better than the other teams but if you just compare players they are just worse in most roles and have an over all lower ceiling. It also helped them massively that the 2 finalists in spring both had issues and played with subs for a while. I wouldnt mind having seen TSM go to worlds again because im pretty sure they would go 0-6 again unless they dodge the eu 3rd seed and get a wildcard instead. TSM simply doesnt have the highs it takes to beat the other worlds teams. The team has weaker components than last year with arguably harder seeding.
I think C9 is overhyped this summer split, they had the worst record of the top 5 teams, that fact that TL smashed them is not surprising, I mean who takes 2v2 mid fights against a sejuani at level 3. I think TSM takes the TL series but I wouldn't be surprised if EG ints against 100T.
No more over charged sexual juxtapositions, I assume Monte is having sex again. It was fun while it lasted though.
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usually dont like these guys but raz is just an amazing guest
Why haven't they prioritized Xin? Maybe because its the most broken jungler in all major regions and permanently banned?
Now its Blaber fault for Perkz playing like a bottom 5 midlaner. Very nice.
I mean both suck thats just the reality
Perkz get DPd in mid while blaber does fuckall.
You can't spell ALPHARI without ALPHA
I just imagined a world in which thorin is playing among us with monte and calling an emergency meeting to sus someone.
And let me tell You it was glorious.
38:58 thooring is getting old
37:18 changed his opinion in 1 mins
just so he can cuddle with lil boy perkz
"You have to take team Liquid" Yeah not the team who has a 5/0 record vs tl in regular season, makes sense. Maybe just accept the fact that c9 is shit right now who is also 1/4 vs tsm.
Also Perkz was abused, he has the most deaths pre 15 min in the LCS with 26 because he pushes recklessly. Meanwhile POE is known for playing passive in the landing phase in mid and he has 10 total deaths pre 15 min. C9 and TSM also play like completely different teams. I really think it might be that the whole “NA sucks and TSM went 0-6 at worlds so they are dogshit then and forever” narrative needs to be talked about.
@@1123Steveo it's not only because of that narrative. Many people just hate tsm. They legit won summer last year and everyone was just talking about how bad c9 and talked about "worst lcs level ever". All that even before they went to worlds
@@egozocker14 the ceiling was low last year but both tl and fly were above average na teams
Did you forget what happened in spring? TSM also won every game and got destroyed in playoffs. Regular season best of 1s are different from bo5. Teams will actively try new things in regular season if they are confident in getting to playoffs regardless.
montrecristo u got trash takes
People are gonna realize C9 was playing bad more so than TL was playing well.
NA said korean is problem? Coaching is problem?
TSM above C9... Yikes
TL should get an ADC import for next season, Viper is a free agent and has a good level of English.
Why would Viper want to leave the LPL to come to NA? He's nowhere close to retiring.
TL 3-0 TSM
Jesus most of this players mentioned here are import, is there US players in league not guys that got us residency, mean proper stars and stripes players
Ehhh loser of 100T vs EG takes the 3rd worlds spot.
Raz should stick to commenting on the game and stop making political statements or dispensing healthcare advice in the middle of his analyst bits on the LCS when he's not a doctor, then i'd actually like him.
@Peter P Wrong on both counts i'm afraid, you didn't even guess the correct continent for my nationality and as for ignorance, well i imagine one of us knows a whole lot about MRNA vaccines and the effectiveness (or rather lack thereof) and dangers of them, and one of us just took it "cuz the guy on the TV said so". You can make your own judgements on which one of those constitutes ignorance. Either way my point still stands, the dumbass who's job is to comment on which video game team plays the game to a higher standard certainly isn't a health expert, so he should just shut up about it.
The premise that a game - where you need to have like 3 to 4 precise clicks per second to have good movement, while obviously also precisely aiming skillshots or targeting opponents, while _also_ having good camera movement - was inherently inferior on a mechanical level to moving with WASD is absolutely moronic...
In that case why can't CS:GO players just pick up league and have JJKing/Faker/Chovy/Rookie/Uzi level mechanics? And how can Thorin know the aforementioned players and still believe that League doesn't have a high mechanical skill ceiling? Sure, the game has a low mechanical skill floor - you just need to click around...but so do ego shooters. Any 6 year old can move around using WASD and press left click to shoot at where the cursor is...they'd just suck at it. Just how mechanically non-proficient players suck at league on a micro level.
I even know someone who plays competitively on a semi pro level in CS:GO and is supposedly (from what I've heard) one of the better mechanical players in that skill bracket and he's also played league (quite extensively) for years - yet is "only" Diamond (peaked high D2 in S3 - before master etc was a thing) and his mechanics aren't even his forte. His League mechanics are average at best for a diamond player. He even says himself that he isn't mechanically good in league.
mad because you play a point and click adventure game
@@sneauxday7002 yeah that's pretty much the infantile attitude I'd expect from people who don't get what I'm saying/aren't proficient in both games and don't have a clue what they're talking about. But sure, makes sense to side with Thorin. If I had never played League, I'd definitely trust a low elo silver player, like Thorin, to be an expert on the game's mechanical skill ceiling /s
Raz is a terrible guest and a worse analyst. He doesn't deserve his position.
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If you are going to be critical of someone at least state your position so people can laugh at you.
I think he’s great
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