I showed this to my wife as part of a multi tiered PowerPoint presentation on why I need the AKV, she is still unmoved as if yet and considers rent more important. 🙄
@@Gen_Kael i dont see a problem with making an enotional appeal in support of a logical outcome. We either use the tools we have or dont. Aristotle explained that there are some people who have no idea and (more importantly) cannot be tought, how to understand any logical argument (you may as well be speaking a different language).
So. I just purchased the PSA AK-V. Without the approval of Management (My wife). As to be expected, there was an issue regarding improper use of company funds. I feel that the potentail loss of income (booty) was worth the prize.
I am an "AR guy", have 5 of them in different flavors, bought the AKV because I wanted a 9mm carbine and I just don't like the look of an AR9. The AKV is now my favorite gun, PSA hit a home run on this one. Get one if you can find one.
Well you should get an ARV too, its an AR platform, and still uses the same mags. I'm more of an AK guy so I bought the AKV. Anyways just a suggestion for ya.
Agreed! Especially with reason number 1. Personally I think it’s the coolest looking braced “pistol” on the market next to the LWRC SMG 45... which is in a completely different price range anyway. I love my AKV!
Was looking at all the 9mm options for a home defense weapon. Saw one of these at a gun show this weekend and grabbed it. Took it home and tried it out - my new favorite weapon. I bought 5 PSA mags with it as well. regular firing and bump firing with no mag related issues. Note: its really easy to bum fire from hip and shoulder.
I just bought AK 9. And I really like it. I have 2 AR 9. 1 is in the glock mag platform and other is in a AR 15 mag platform. But the AK is really growing on me to say the least
Other than Glock mags being more expensive, the CMMG Guard/Banshee is the exception and competes favorably to the AKV. Also, the safety is in a more natural location in my opinion. Don’t get me wrong, the AKV is badass and worth buying.
I have a Freedom FX9 braced pistol. It uses Glock mags and has last round hold open. ETS mags run flawlessly. It will run steel case and brass with no problems. Glock mags interchange with my Glock handguns. The one advantage the AKV has is the stock can be made to fold. I should say I had and FX9. My wife took it.
RedCell I wasn’t planning on getting one as I already have a scorpion. I shot my buddies once and decided that I needed to change that lol. They came back in stock last week and I pulled the trigger. Love it.
Get online after 4pm EST. I’m working from home now and I had the PSA website up last week all day and when two of the models instantly became available I jumped on the OD MOE model...at 8pm.
All good points, UNLESS your AR9 has a CMMG Banshee barrel, BCG and converted Pmags to run in a 17 Designs folding M4 lower receiver. I have an AKV and love it! But, if I could have only one and the world wasn't going Mad Max, I'd have to keep the AR9. I'd want the AKV in Mad Max World. 😎✌️
Great video. I was on the fence between the two. I'll be going with the AKV.... Looks cooler anyway!!! Thanks for sharing. Just sub'd. Adding this to the collection for xmas
Yeah, I would point out that this isn't a "Reasons the AKV is better than the AR9" as much as it is "This is why I like the AKV more than the AR9". Everything mentioned, sans ammunition capacity and magazine cost, was really subjective. What's not subjective is pointing out overall better ergonomics and function in form of the AR9. What's also not subjective is that, while you might enjoy the recoil impulse of the AKV more, the AR9 boasts a considerably less noticeable recoil impulse, making for measurably faster follow-up shooting, which is what's ideal with a pistol carbine. Furthermore, is reliability, the AR9 boasts considerably greater overall functional reliability when compared to the AKV. How so? Because despite the myths, the AR platform is undeniably more reliable in practice than the AK series rifles, and becomes even more evident when chambering either rifle in a pistol caliber. Don't get me wrong, I love the PSA AK-V, mine has been a hoot to shoot. But it doesn't hold a candle to my QC9 or AR9 build.
OK revealing my hand here, but I do think the AR9 is the better firearm. But these are just the top 5 reasons I think the AKV is better. I've been ramping up to do the reverse video (top 5 reasons the AR9 is better than the AKV), so I've been shooting my AR9 again to retest my assumptions. And I'm just going to have to disagree on reliability. Glock big sticks are just not as reliable as the CZ Scorpion mags. The single stack tapering just introduces a lot of variability into ammo and how soot impacts feeding. So after 3 matches, I got a failure to feed from one of my mags in the latest match. 100% preventable, but it's just soot build up. But, I've had many more rounds down range in the AKV mag between cleaning. This will all change once PSA release CZ scorp mag lowers by the end of the year (hopefully)! Recoil impulse... I agree and disagree. The AKV feels better, feels softer, but results in greater dot movement and isn't as "fast". I do mention that in this video. If your criteria is speed, AR9, all day long. If your criteria is a buttery warm feeling, that's the AKV. To be more scientific about this, the recoild impulse on the AKV is very heavily damped, longer travel, heavier bolt, multiple buffers. It "feels" soft, the peak impulse is lower than a tuned AR9. The AR9 however, is just faster. The impulse is more peaky, resulting in higher perceived recoil, but a faster cycle time. At the end of the day, the exact same amount of energy is being projected to the rear (they both shoot the same cartridge). The question is how that energy is delivered.
@@aussieexpat you'd be the first person I've heard argue against the reliability of Glock magazines. So I'll take your complaint with a grain of salt. However, Glock configurations are not the only AR9 lower. My QC9 (AR9) accepts MP5 mags, and it puts any AKV to shame in all aspects. I'd also argue against felt recoil. While yes, the AKV boasts a longer range of travel for the action, it's throwing more metal back, causing more shift and overall play in the action. There's nothing buttery smooth about the system. It's bulky, heavy, and janky. But, they are fun as hell.
@@zubdub2506 i talk to a lot of fellow PCC competitors. Everyone Ive talked to deals with glock big stick woes. The issue isnt solely the design of the glock big sticks, its a combo of factors. 1. 33rds isnt enough capacity for uspsa stages and outlaw matches, so we're all running big extensions eg. 41 to 51rd capacity. 2. The blowback leads to a lot of fouling. The AKV mags seem to just cope with fouling and steel cased ammo more reliably. Even clean, i cant get 17rd glock mags to lift tulammo to the feed lips.
@@aussieexpat except that's not an issue with the magazines or the rifle, that's an issue with the extensions. Said shooters took a stock configuration, and altered it, resulting in failures. Regarding your comment on 17rd magazines failing? Again, I'll take it with a grain of salt, being that you're the first person I've heard complain about Glock mag performance in AR9s. Maybe you've just got bad luck with Glock mags like I do Ruger Mini-14s? lol The fouling argument isn't one I would consider much of an issue, either. Unless, you're going to be putting thousands of rounds through that carbine in a single day, and not even afford the chamber a quick wipe-down. In which case, that's a failure on your (General "You" there, not you specifically) part as a shooter. AR9 carbines I've ran, be it through regular range day shenanigans, or classes, perform fairly well, far better than the AKV could be expected to perform. I would emphasize that my best results in practice have been with Quarter Circle 10's QC9. The linchpin deciding factors you mention, really amount to shooter error/modifications outside of the factory specifications. They can be avoided by not altering magazines, and cleaning the carbine, which should be done between range trips anyway, as good practice. Now, of course, where PCC is concerned? That's very specific, and purpose-driven shooting. It's not to be compared to, or considered representative of traditional tactical/home defense shooting or recreational shooting. Where the general shooter is going to be concerned, being limited to a 33rd magazine really is a non-issue. In the interest of your follow-up video, and in honest, good intention here, I would suggest you make that clarification. After all, many folks look to general or vague messages relating to firearms from channels they like as their tactical scripture. Making sure proper, contextual information is delivered is always important. I don't mean to sound like I'm telling you how to run your channel/content/life, of course, just offering you my perspective. In all honesty, I've been thoroughly enjoying your videos since discovering this one, and plan to continue to follow along as you make more content. Thank you for engaging me directly, and without hostility, as well. Many folks often take direct criticism or observations as offensive, so this has been really refreshing.
I understand what you are saying. In an absolute sense, with the correct precautions, you can make a glock fed AR9 100% reliable. My AR9 I consider 100% reliable at this point as long as I choose it to (ie. Clean mags every 200rds, load test all ammo for reliability before using in a match). However, with absolutely none of the same considerations, the AKV and its mags just cannot be stopped and have more capacity. Without extensions the glock 33rd is a non starter. 35 rounds cuts it, 40 or 50 even better. I just dont see standard capacity 33rd as being competitive or reliable considering how hard it is to remove the factory extension.
How dare you say that I bought the wrong PCC! I invested money so I will defend my choice even if I’m not logical! I suddenly have the urge to buy an adidas track suit and Slav swat at the range.
What about reliability, affordability, ergonomics, and accuracy? update: I see that on your follow up video that you address the ergonomics of both weapons. p.s. well presented and concise information!
Thanks friend, these top 5s are not reviews but they are absolutely elements that I do love about each platform. Ive probably got another thousand rounds to go before ill review it.. might take many more months as its not as competitive as my AR9 for competition and my main form of shooting these days is competition.
I havent gotten to ever see one!. I think a lot of people willing to pay more than an AR9 end up getting the MPX. But Id love to see one in action. And perhaps compare it to the taccom magnetic delayed buffer.
Akv is awesome but the extar 9 has performed better for me. PSA products have mediocre quality control. I’ve had several break in issues with the akv that has been ironed out after 300 rounds.
I do agree on quality control, anything with a thread from PSA, hasnt been loctited in my experience. That being said, i havent had problems beyond that.
The weak point of the Extar EP-9 is the part of the upper receiver that retains the charging handle. A very thin plastic that can crack if you get a stuck round that will not fire, and you pull too hard to attempt to extract. Extar has a one year warranty, PSA is lifetime.
Glad to see a former subject of the crown flying a Gadsden Flag talking about what is best between an AR9 or an AK9! I feel like the old American Indian watching someone litter in the forest. Ive only watched 28seconds, not really into to PCCs if forced to pick I pick the PSA if they are both PSA I pick the psa. I just love PSA. Are you from South Africa or Australia?
Hahaha. Im from Australia with N. Irish background. Ive always been obsessed with freedom and hence love the founding ideals of America. The colonists were right to revolt!
I love my AKV-9, I which PSA would release a few of the 16" versions so I can use it in steel challenge and other matches. Unfortunately braced pistols aren't allowed and I'm not really not interested in a $200.00 registration with the Fed's.
Its used rarely. In my latest match video, Target 4 on the 1st stage. Useful for hard leans left. Happens more often in IDPA than USPSA due to all the shots from cover.
My new AK V9 came today 10/21/2019; it's great; no problems; it was not even close to sighted in but I got a AK 47 sight tool. It is an ammo eater. I wish I had bought this first instead of the AR 9 Gen 4 which has been back at PSA for a month now. My AR 9 will not eject the fired brass. The AK V9 works flawlessly and the last round hold open is important to me. The trigger is different but far superior to the EPT triggers, eh?
Yeah it's a lot better than milspeccy triggers of the AR. It's personal choice though, some might not like the revolver like lack of a wall. To me, it's all butter! Steel case works so well in the AKV, don't overspend on 9mm! Tried any bumpity bump?
#1-I have the Foxtrot Mike AR 9 and the lrbho works flawlessly every time. #2- Glock mags are legendary for flawless performance and since anyone who is smart already has tons of those then cost is a pointless argument. #3- FM9 trigger is incredible in stock form but if that’s not good enough for you it’s replaceable. #4- recoil is not even worth mentioning for a 9mm weapon so it’s a pointless point. #5-looks are subjective. Personally I prefer the looks of the AR9. Enjoy what you like like-like what you got. But I suspect that if you used both on the same day you would favor the AR9. Especially if it was the FM9. And lastly there’s no way that an ak safety is anywhere near as good as an ar safety. I have about a dozen ar15 based weapons and about the same number of ak based weapons including several 9mm versions and I love em all but if I had to compete or grab one for self defense the ar platform stands alone.
I have definitely been hearing more and more good things about the FM uppers. Although most of the friends I have run buffer set ups that disable the LRBHO. Either way, it's a very weak reason to choose one PCC over another, and you'll see in my AR9 beats AKV video, the LRBHO on the AKV actually introduces a much worse problem with regards to mag changes. 2. I don't know about flawless. I know that's most people's experience shooting glocks right up until they start playing with AR9s. I think it's mainly to do with how the mag design deals with fouling. The tapering to a single stack requires a certain amount of cleanliness that is more laborious to maintain in a blowback gun. 3. Recoil on both platforms is light enough that most people will not blink. But in most cases, it is higher than that of an AR15. What most people are experiencing is the massively reduced volume of the report. From a competition perspective, unless it's recoiling like a .22lr, it could use improvement. Hence recoil makes an appearance here and on my AR9 beats AKV video response. th-cam.com/video/bt3Sbeasxoo/w-d-xo.html Glad to have your well communicated feedback! I basically agree on everything except the glock mag reliability.
TryHardGamers I will admit that my Glock drums don’t play well at all with my FM9. But the 33 round sticks have been totally flawless. Hold open after last round fired and never any jams. But anyway, thanks for your passion and info. I wish you well with your channel.
Never seen one personally. Looks like good value. But Id try to encourage a first time pcc owner to step into an AR9 instead just because they start off affordable but can easily be modifed into a top notch race gun with such great after market support.
I'm so confused. You sound Australian yet in your channel description it says you're from Hong Kong, but you have a semi-automatic firearms and I'm pretty sure civilians are not allowed to own weapons in China/Hong Kong. Where are you from?
Ha. Yeah born and raised in australia. Created the channel when I was in Hong Kong and opened a limited company handling most of my side gigs. Then moved to USA, currently in Las Vegas but at the time of this video, Seattle.
I like both of them.. I can't decide.. I've been eye balling PSA VP9 but it's hard to find... and the Aero EPC is about to drop next week.. hmm still not sure
Definitely have friends that have had no issue with them. But definitely had friends that did. I personally love glock pmags (when I don't need a big stick), but there's about as many people who hate them as ETS I think.
Does the optic you have on the akv co-witness? If it does, what is it? Looking to get one for mine, but I want it to co-witness with the irons. Thanks in advance sir.
HonkieKowboy I built my ar9 on the colt mags because they have the tab on the follower for lrbh. Colt re-designed uzi mags to work in an ar platform. Glock mags are and will always be Glock platform.
Reason number 6: your akv rails that your action travels on will crack around 5k-8k rounds known issue with aks chambered in 9 stopped me from getting a nak-9
Ivw run steel tulammo or wolf exclusively through all my firearms. No failures on any. Ive done about 1.5k rounds on the AKV, did break 1 extractor at about 1.3k, psa sent out 2 spare extractors promptly and replacement took 4 minutes.
I have heard of people having some issues with jackets coming off on the muzzle brake. I've not experienced it about 1k rounds in but I wouldn't discount it. Try rotate your muzzle break one more revolution tighter and then index with the retention pusher thingy... Perhaps the muzzle brake isn't all the way on and gives it more slop than ideal. I know mine from the factory had one more revolution to go. AKOU has a guide on how to time muzzle devices for AKs precisely and all you really need is a hand file and sand paper to get it very snug and timed precisely.
I have glock factory 33 round magazines ran hundreds of rounds thru G19 and kel tec sub2k never had a malfunction only with aftermarket magazines have I had problems! #glockfactoryonlywaytogo!
@@ryancarlsen1076 I find factory mags to be very good. the polymer is very slippery. With proper maintenance you can get about 500 rounds through them between failures. But I have simply not found a limit yet with the scorpion mags.
Well first off you are wrong about several things here. #1 LRBHO is available on Glock fed AR9' AMERICAN RESISTANCE GEAR has a bomb proof LRBHO and is robust and 100% reliable even on full auto #2 having a pistol caliber carbine that does not share mags with your side arm makez no sense at all. #3 Glock mags are known to be some of the most reliable mags out there. The magpul glock mags have work 100% for me and others #5 Glock is the most used pistol in the world so making a PCC that doesn't use Glock mags is short sighted👍🇺🇸
I do address this in my ar9 beats akv video. And i had another glock mag malfunction in my latest competition video :) I dont shoot glock pistols generally so have little interest in the interchangeable aspect. I like PCCs for sport, so the background I give here is with respect to competition use.
@@aussieexpat yeah brother these are my values and opinions. Nothing wrong with your views. I no longer shoot competition and haven't in years. So I guess for me it's more about the advantages of EDC and survival. Just pointing out that there are LRBHO and very reliable AR9 and other carbines that use pistol mags. No hate just saying👍🇺🇸
@@UncleDanBand64 yeah understood. There might be a more general pcc discussion in future... Im still getting a feel for why people get guns. The people im surrounded by, it's all competition and id love to talk about the kinds of things most Americans are getting guns for!
@@aussieexpat I would love to see more on it. Definitely one of the fastest growing parts of the gun industry. To me it's kinda like the Old West. For the same reasons that a 6 gun and a lever gun were usually in the same caliber. It works today too. Maybe not as good as a true rifle chambering but, it's a lot less hassle.
@@UncleDanBand64 my local area had had a couple exhibition matches this year doing 2 gun, pcc and pistol. But i run the p320 for pistol. I have a p80, but i simply shoot the p320 better.
No doubt, the AR9 is great. I just had so many AR platforms, it got old. I always wanted and AK, but jeeeeeeeeeez another rifle caliber gun? Then this comes along. It's so comfortable and so much fun to shoot, i'm not sure I want to carry another pistol caliber AR.
I live in America. 9mm rifle is useful for shooting sports and many ranges since it can be safely used on steel targets up close. Full size rifles are used, but engagements distances for rifle are typically 100 to 600 yards. I have rifles, but I've put a lot more rounds and had a lot more trigger time on the 9mm rifles.
Ha i know. Ive lambasted the idpa rules about how deadly the "tactics" would actually be in a real scenario. It hurts your head less if you just treat it as a game like any other.
Ultimately, my main concern is competition. And there are currently only two strong answers for that, AR9 and Sig MPX. The AKV is a wonderful firearm, but it has a few minor issues that make less than competitive, mostly the manual of arms being slower and recoil tunability.
I think its kel tecs best gun. I really dont see enough of them, but "survival" type guns dont seem to fair too well in USAs recreation dominated market.
But it’s a Kel tec and friends don’t let friends buy keltecs. You’ll need the extra parts and good luck with optics. Last but not least, it’s one heck of an ugly gun.
I cant give a qualified answer to that. I just don't like how it looks... Ive also heard issues with it being plastic and basically shredding itself, but thats me hearing someone who knew someone type info. I know the evo has a better mag release, can be done with trigger finger.
You have to jump on the website daily after 4pm EST. Just ordered one on 4/30. OD green MOE model. Waiting for it to hit my FFL. I looked today and two models were available for 30 minutes. Good luck!
Check at about 1pm est. Thats when the stock usually goes online each day. What exactly will be in stock, who knows. I had to hunt for about a week beforw the black one with the sba3 was up.
I don't hate AR9s guys! Why the AR9 is better than the AKV! th-cam.com/video/bt3Sbeasxoo/w-d-xo.html
TryHardGamers took my 10.5” psa ar 9, form 1 can came in, replaced 10.5 barrel with 4.5” barrel and 8x1.375” can. Can’t do that with an AKV.
@@TheTeeDay been on the fence about SBRing the AKV...
I showed this to my wife as part of a multi tiered PowerPoint presentation on why I need the AKV, she is still unmoved as if yet and considers rent more important. 🙄
Hahahaha. Hrmm. My wife approves if its in gold :p maybe you need to find an appeal to emotion rather than logic :p
@@aussieexpat But that would make me a liberal :(
@@Gen_Kael i dont see a problem with making an enotional appeal in support of a logical outcome. We either use the tools we have or dont. Aristotle explained that there are some people who have no idea and (more importantly) cannot be tought, how to understand any logical argument (you may as well be speaking a different language).
So. I just purchased the PSA AK-V. Without the approval of Management (My wife). As to be expected, there was an issue regarding improper use of company funds. I feel that the potentail loss of income (booty) was worth the prize.
@@YTisAbunchOFfascists oh dear, we need to brush up on those presentation skills my friend. Or hope she loves it as much as you do!
And most importantly works better with Adidas tracksuit.
PSA need a combo deal.
Should be mandatory.
heavy Slavic breathing
I need a retro velour suit for the colder months 😁
The PSA mags work like a dream in my Scorp Micros and my AKVs. Zero issues !
I am an "AR guy", have 5 of them in different flavors, bought the AKV because I wanted a 9mm carbine and I just don't like the look of an AR9. The AKV is now my favorite gun, PSA hit a home run on this one. Get one if you can find one.
Well you should get an ARV too, its an AR platform, and still uses the same mags. I'm more of an AK guy so I bought the AKV. Anyways just a suggestion for ya.
Everything you say is spot on here however the Bolt Hold Open is not to be devalued. I love this gun
Great video. I own 2 of the AKV’s and they are a lot of fun to shoot, just a great little gun. Perfect for QCB home protection...for me anyway.
Hard Truth it’s a range gun, all your guns are. You’ll never use it anywhere else unless you have land. Regardless it’s a paper puncher.
@@texasghost6725 but is akv 9 capable enough to be taken to a close quarter combat without any problems
Agreed! Especially with reason number 1. Personally I think it’s the coolest looking braced “pistol” on the market next to the LWRC SMG 45... which is in a completely different price range anyway. I love my AKV!
I wish i didn't want the lwrc...
TryHardGamers 😂
TryHardGamers no joke, man. No joke
Was looking at all the 9mm options for a home defense weapon. Saw one of these at a gun show this weekend and grabbed it. Took it home and tried it out - my new favorite weapon. I bought 5 PSA mags with it as well. regular firing and bump firing with no mag related issues. Note: its really easy to bum fire from hip and shoulder.
Its very easy to love. Incredibly reliable, reat mags, the character ofbthe AK platform. It's awesome!
Another Australian gun guy in the US? Which state are you in?
Washington :)
I just bought AK 9. And I really like it. I have 2 AR 9. 1 is in the glock mag platform and other is in a AR 15 mag platform. But the AK is really growing on me to say the least
I have a akv9 I love mine you’re right it’s much more fun to shoot that the AR9 platform. Great video
You're an Aussie! Right on!
Cheers mate!
@@aussieexpat I'm assuming you still don't live in the outback tho...
Wow, being new to the carbine world I learned something new today. Nice.
Other than Glock mags being more expensive, the CMMG Guard/Banshee is the exception and competes favorably to the AKV. Also, the safety is in a more natural location in my opinion. Don’t get me wrong, the AKV is badass and worth buying.
I basically agree. I think for competition, AR9 is stronger and that is my preference. But i think most people would be happier with the AKV.
I have a Freedom FX9 braced pistol. It uses Glock mags and has last round hold open. ETS mags run flawlessly. It will run steel case and brass with no problems. Glock mags interchange with my Glock handguns. The one advantage the AKV has is the stock can be made to fold. I should say I had and FX9. My wife took it.
Yeah the ladies love pcc. Im getting an ETS mag on monday, so we'll see how it goes.
Top 5 reasons this guy used to justify his purchase
He has both though....
@@sneak916 yup, and happy to justify both :) my two favorite firearms!
I need to stop watching these types of videos about the AKV or I'm going to end up spending more $$$.
Thanks for great review! You just talked me into buying one!
Love my cz scorpion! Need me an ak9. In time I guess.. 👍
RedCell I wasn’t planning on getting one as I already have a scorpion. I shot my buddies once and decided that I needed to change that lol. They came back in stock last week and I pulled the trigger. Love it.
Nice video man ! 👊🏼
Ha ha..put on track suit..that's gold!
I just ordered one on 4/30. Can’t wait for it to hit my FFL.
Where are you from, mate? Good to see you exercising your 2A rights!!
Awesome! Yeah grew up in Melbourne. Very happy to be in a free country.
I really wanna get an akv. But they are never in stock when I look on PSA
There's an akv face book group. I think new stock hits each day at about 1pm est.
Get online after 4pm EST. I’m working from home now and I had the PSA website up last week all day and when two of the models instantly became available I jumped on the OD MOE model...at 8pm.
All good points, UNLESS your AR9 has a CMMG Banshee barrel, BCG and converted Pmags to run in a 17 Designs folding M4 lower receiver. I have an AKV and love it! But, if I could have only one and the world wasn't going Mad Max, I'd have to keep the AR9. I'd want the AKV in Mad Max World. 😎✌️
Great video. I was on the fence between the two. I'll be going with the AKV.... Looks cooler anyway!!! Thanks for sharing. Just sub'd. Adding this to the collection for xmas
Yeah, I would point out that this isn't a "Reasons the AKV is better than the AR9" as much as it is "This is why I like the AKV more than the AR9". Everything mentioned, sans ammunition capacity and magazine cost, was really subjective. What's not subjective is pointing out overall better ergonomics and function in form of the AR9. What's also not subjective is that, while you might enjoy the recoil impulse of the AKV more, the AR9 boasts a considerably less noticeable recoil impulse, making for measurably faster follow-up shooting, which is what's ideal with a pistol carbine. Furthermore, is reliability, the AR9 boasts considerably greater overall functional reliability when compared to the AKV. How so? Because despite the myths, the AR platform is undeniably more reliable in practice than the AK series rifles, and becomes even more evident when chambering either rifle in a pistol caliber.
Don't get me wrong, I love the PSA AK-V, mine has been a hoot to shoot. But it doesn't hold a candle to my QC9 or AR9 build.
OK revealing my hand here, but I do think the AR9 is the better firearm. But these are just the top 5 reasons I think the AKV is better.
I've been ramping up to do the reverse video (top 5 reasons the AR9 is better than the AKV), so I've been shooting my AR9 again to retest my assumptions. And I'm just going to have to disagree on reliability. Glock big sticks are just not as reliable as the CZ Scorpion mags. The single stack tapering just introduces a lot of variability into ammo and how soot impacts feeding. So after 3 matches, I got a failure to feed from one of my mags in the latest match. 100% preventable, but it's just soot build up. But, I've had many more rounds down range in the AKV mag between cleaning.
This will all change once PSA release CZ scorp mag lowers by the end of the year (hopefully)!
Recoil impulse... I agree and disagree. The AKV feels better, feels softer, but results in greater dot movement and isn't as "fast". I do mention that in this video. If your criteria is speed, AR9, all day long. If your criteria is a buttery warm feeling, that's the AKV. To be more scientific about this, the recoild impulse on the AKV is very heavily damped, longer travel, heavier bolt, multiple buffers. It "feels" soft, the peak impulse is lower than a tuned AR9. The AR9 however, is just faster. The impulse is more peaky, resulting in higher perceived recoil, but a faster cycle time.
At the end of the day, the exact same amount of energy is being projected to the rear (they both shoot the same cartridge). The question is how that energy is delivered.
@@aussieexpat you'd be the first person I've heard argue against the reliability of Glock magazines. So I'll take your complaint with a grain of salt. However, Glock configurations are not the only AR9 lower. My QC9 (AR9) accepts MP5 mags, and it puts any AKV to shame in all aspects. I'd also argue against felt recoil. While yes, the AKV boasts a longer range of travel for the action, it's throwing more metal back, causing more shift and overall play in the action. There's nothing buttery smooth about the system. It's bulky, heavy, and janky. But, they are fun as hell.
@@zubdub2506 i talk to a lot of fellow PCC competitors. Everyone Ive talked to deals with glock big stick woes.
The issue isnt solely the design of the glock big sticks, its a combo of factors.
1. 33rds isnt enough capacity for uspsa stages and outlaw matches, so we're all running big extensions eg. 41 to 51rd capacity.
2. The blowback leads to a lot of fouling.
The AKV mags seem to just cope with fouling and steel cased ammo more reliably. Even clean, i cant get 17rd glock mags to lift tulammo to the feed lips.
@@aussieexpat except that's not an issue with the magazines or the rifle, that's an issue with the extensions. Said shooters took a stock configuration, and altered it, resulting in failures. Regarding your comment on 17rd magazines failing? Again, I'll take it with a grain of salt, being that you're the first person I've heard complain about Glock mag performance in AR9s. Maybe you've just got bad luck with Glock mags like I do Ruger Mini-14s? lol
The fouling argument isn't one I would consider much of an issue, either. Unless, you're going to be putting thousands of rounds through that carbine in a single day, and not even afford the chamber a quick wipe-down. In which case, that's a failure on your (General "You" there, not you specifically) part as a shooter.
AR9 carbines I've ran, be it through regular range day shenanigans, or classes, perform fairly well, far better than the AKV could be expected to perform. I would emphasize that my best results in practice have been with Quarter Circle 10's QC9.
The linchpin deciding factors you mention, really amount to shooter error/modifications outside of the factory specifications. They can be avoided by not altering magazines, and cleaning the carbine, which should be done between range trips anyway, as good practice.
Now, of course, where PCC is concerned? That's very specific, and purpose-driven shooting. It's not to be compared to, or considered representative of traditional tactical/home defense shooting or recreational shooting. Where the general shooter is going to be concerned, being limited to a 33rd magazine really is a non-issue. In the interest of your follow-up video, and in honest, good intention here, I would suggest you make that clarification.
After all, many folks look to general or vague messages relating to firearms from channels they like as their tactical scripture. Making sure proper, contextual information is delivered is always important. I don't mean to sound like I'm telling you how to run your channel/content/life, of course, just offering you my perspective.
In all honesty, I've been thoroughly enjoying your videos since discovering this one, and plan to continue to follow along as you make more content. Thank you for engaging me directly, and without hostility, as well. Many folks often take direct criticism or observations as offensive, so this has been really refreshing.
I understand what you are saying. In an absolute sense, with the correct precautions, you can make a glock fed AR9 100% reliable. My AR9 I consider 100% reliable at this point as long as I choose it to (ie. Clean mags every 200rds, load test all ammo for reliability before using in a match).
However, with absolutely none of the same considerations, the AKV and its mags just cannot be stopped and have more capacity.
Without extensions the glock 33rd is a non starter. 35 rounds cuts it, 40 or 50 even better. I just dont see standard capacity 33rd as being competitive or reliable considering how hard it is to remove the factory extension.
How dare you say that I bought the wrong PCC! I invested money so I will defend my choice even if I’m not logical! I suddenly have the urge to buy an adidas track suit and Slav swat at the range.
Not sure if there is anything more fun :P!
Akv with the track suit, nothing says Russian sheepdogg more...lol. very close to springing for one.
Excellent video.... 💪💯💯
I love my AK-V so much. Too bad I can't find anything to feed it, for anything close to a reasonable price, if at all.
What about reliability, affordability, ergonomics, and accuracy? update: I see that on your follow up video that you address the ergonomics of both weapons. p.s. well presented and concise information!
Thanks friend, these top 5s are not reviews but they are absolutely elements that I do love about each platform. Ive probably got another thousand rounds to go before ill review it.. might take many more months as its not as competitive as my AR9 for competition and my main form of shooting these days is competition.
Thanks for the response!
And PSA just made them better by offering the folding triangle brace!!!
After shooting the CMMG Guard, I'm really loving the delayed blowback action.
I havent gotten to ever see one!. I think a lot of people willing to pay more than an AR9 end up getting the MPX. But Id love to see one in action. And perhaps compare it to the taccom magnetic delayed buffer.
I have both the AKV and a CMMG Banshee. I like the AKV but prefer the weight and recoil impulse of the Banshee.
@@jarobi9534 would love to see a direct comparison on thise for sure.
Akv is awesome but the extar 9 has performed better for me.
PSA products have mediocre quality control. I’ve had several break in issues with the akv that has been ironed out after 300 rounds.
I do agree on quality control, anything with a thread from PSA, hasnt been loctited in my experience.
That being said, i havent had problems beyond that.
The weak point of the Extar EP-9 is the part of the upper receiver that retains the charging handle. A very thin plastic that can crack if you get a stuck round that will not fire, and you pull too hard to attempt to extract. Extar has a one year warranty, PSA is lifetime.
Glad to see a former subject of the crown flying a Gadsden Flag talking about what is best between an AR9 or an AK9! I feel like the old American Indian watching someone litter in the forest. Ive only watched 28seconds, not really into to PCCs if forced to pick I pick the PSA if they are both PSA I pick the psa. I just love PSA. Are you from South Africa or Australia?
Hahaha. Im from Australia with N. Irish background.
Ive always been obsessed with freedom and hence love the founding ideals of America. The colonists were right to revolt!
Haven't got the AKV due to stock / brace legal issues.
Love the fact you have holosun 507c on it first person I've seen with the setup I want how well does it co witness ?
I love my AKV-9, I which PSA would release a few of the 16" versions so I can use it in steel challenge and other matches. Unfortunately braced pistols aren't allowed and I'm not really not interested in a $200.00 registration with the Fed's.
The akv is an excellent firearm. No getting around it.
Interesting to see 2 red dots on your AR9...never seen that before.
Its used rarely. In my latest match video, Target 4 on the 1st stage. Useful for hard leans left. Happens more often in IDPA than USPSA due to all the shots from cover.
Cool video, earned a sub here.
Good stuff brother! Look forward to the top 5 AR9 video!
My new AK V9 came today 10/21/2019; it's great; no problems; it was not even close to sighted in but I got a AK 47 sight tool. It is an ammo eater. I wish I had bought this first instead of the AR 9 Gen 4 which has been back at PSA for a month now. My AR 9 will not eject the fired brass. The AK V9 works flawlessly and the last round hold open is important to me. The trigger is different but far superior to the EPT triggers, eh?
Yeah it's a lot better than milspeccy triggers of the AR. It's personal choice though, some might not like the revolver like lack of a wall. To me, it's all butter!
Steel case works so well in the AKV, don't overspend on 9mm!
Tried any bumpity bump?
Nicely done.
Very good information, as I am strongly considering a 9mm PCC. Thanks.
Awesome! My AKV and AR9 are my favorite firearms!
I’m a AK guy, but I love my FX-9....I will be picking up a AKV soon
Durhamite77 ugliest ar9 on the planet. But ugly needs love too, thanks for stepping up
Texas Ghost the lies you tell!!! That FX-9 is sexy..you trippin lol
#1-I have the Foxtrot Mike AR 9 and the lrbho works flawlessly every time.
#2- Glock mags are legendary for flawless performance and since anyone who is smart already has tons of those then cost is a pointless argument.
#3- FM9 trigger is incredible in stock form but if that’s not good enough for you it’s replaceable.
#4- recoil is not even worth mentioning for a 9mm weapon so it’s a pointless point.
#5-looks are subjective. Personally I prefer the looks of the AR9.
Enjoy what you like like-like what you got. But I suspect that if you used both on the same day you would favor the AR9. Especially if it was the FM9. And lastly there’s no way that an ak safety is anywhere near as good as an ar safety. I have about a dozen ar15 based weapons and about the same number of ak based weapons including several 9mm versions and I love em all but if I had to compete or grab one for self defense the ar platform stands alone.
I have definitely been hearing more and more good things about the FM uppers. Although most of the friends I have run buffer set ups that disable the LRBHO. Either way, it's a very weak reason to choose one PCC over another, and you'll see in my AR9 beats AKV video, the LRBHO on the AKV actually introduces a much worse problem with regards to mag changes.
2. I don't know about flawless. I know that's most people's experience shooting glocks right up until they start playing with AR9s. I think it's mainly to do with how the mag design deals with fouling. The tapering to a single stack requires a certain amount of cleanliness that is more laborious to maintain in a blowback gun.
3. Recoil on both platforms is light enough that most people will not blink. But in most cases, it is higher than that of an AR15. What most people are experiencing is the massively reduced volume of the report. From a competition perspective, unless it's recoiling like a .22lr, it could use improvement. Hence recoil makes an appearance here and on my AR9 beats AKV video response.
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Glad to have your well communicated feedback! I basically agree on everything except the glock mag reliability.
TryHardGamers
I will admit that my Glock drums don’t play well at all with my FM9. But the 33 round sticks have been totally flawless. Hold open after last round fired and never any jams. But anyway, thanks for your passion and info. I wish you well with your channel.
@@MaxHeadspace9mm Thanks man and same to you! :)
What do you think of the Extar EP9?
Never seen one personally. Looks like good value. But Id try to encourage a first time pcc owner to step into an AR9 instead just because they start off affordable but can easily be modifed into a top notch race gun with such great after market support.
I'm so confused. You sound Australian yet in your channel description it says you're from Hong Kong, but you have a semi-automatic firearms and I'm pretty sure civilians are not allowed to own weapons in China/Hong Kong. Where are you from?
Ha. Yeah born and raised in australia. Created the channel when I was in Hong Kong and opened a limited company handling most of my side gigs. Then moved to USA, currently in Las Vegas but at the time of this video, Seattle.
I like both of them.. I can't decide.. I've been eye balling PSA VP9 but it's hard to find... and the Aero EPC is about to drop next week.. hmm still not sure
I have 20 of the ets 31rd mags. Every one has been perfect. Just my personal experience. Not disagreeing with you tho
Definitely have friends that have had no issue with them. But definitely had friends that did.
I personally love glock pmags (when I don't need a big stick), but there's about as many people who hate them as ETS I think.
@@aussieexpat rip all my glock pmags have had issues
@@PUBLICnoose none of mine will lock my 19x slide open on last round. Not sure if the springs are underpowered, but I treat them solely as range mags
And the 15rd extension 🎯
What about weight? Isn't the akv heavy?
Love my AK-V!
Does the optic you have on the akv co-witness? If it does, what is it? Looking to get one for mine, but I want it to co-witness with the irons. Thanks in advance sir.
Holosun 407C and it does co-witness. Although my main intention was good ergonomics, dot lines up nicely with a cheek weld. So best of both worlds.
@@aussieexpat thank you, I will be looking into that for sure.
Moral of the story? Use Colt/Uzi mags in the AR9
Thats very fair. I think the AR9 that takes scorpion mags will be an even bigger improvement!
HonkieKowboy I built my ar9 on the colt mags because they have the tab on the follower for lrbh. Colt re-designed uzi mags to work in an ar platform. Glock mags are and will always be Glock platform.
And they look better too.
@@matthewrivera9314 How much have you been able to buy good quality colt mags and from where?
TryHardGamers, Midway sells AR Stoner Colt style 32rd. double stack mags in black stainless for $20 and the function flawlessly.
Good points 👍🏽
Reason number 6: your akv rails that your action travels on will crack around 5k-8k rounds known issue with aks chambered in 9 stopped me from getting a nak-9
Good to know! I'll be sure to do an update when I get there!
5 star video
Have you been running any steel casing through the akv looking to get one and run steel to save money. Thanks
Ivw run steel tulammo or wolf exclusively through all my firearms. No failures on any. Ive done about 1.5k rounds on the AKV, did break 1 extractor at about 1.3k, psa sent out 2 spare extractors promptly and replacement took 4 minutes.
@@aussieexpat awesome that's what I wanted to hear thank you!
Have you had any issue with getting peppered by this gun? I was shooting the other day and had a piece of jacket get stuck in my arm!! I was bleeding
I have heard of people having some issues with jackets coming off on the muzzle brake. I've not experienced it about 1k rounds in but I wouldn't discount it.
Try rotate your muzzle break one more revolution tighter and then index with the retention pusher thingy... Perhaps the muzzle brake isn't all the way on and gives it more slop than ideal.
I know mine from the factory had one more revolution to go. AKOU has a guide on how to time muzzle devices for AKs precisely and all you really need is a hand file and sand paper to get it very snug and timed precisely.
Hello there are more ar type triggers on the market then any other triggers
Glock mags jam now?
I better sell all my glocks
It depends on the ammo and the amount of fouling your firearm produces.
Obviously im talking only about the big sticks.
My FX-9 takes Glock mags as does my G45 and I’ve never had either gun malfunction.
I have glock factory 33 round magazines ran hundreds of rounds thru G19 and kel tec sub2k never had a malfunction only with aftermarket magazines have I had problems! #glockfactoryonlywaytogo!
@@ryancarlsen1076 I find factory mags to be very good. the polymer is very slippery. With proper maintenance you can get about 500 rounds through them between failures. But I have simply not found a limit yet with the scorpion mags.
What division are you shooting in that allows a braced pistol
None ;p
You can beat both of them with an M1 Carbine and be as good as an M4 out to 200 yards.
Ive not yet seen an M1 Carbine in 9mm?
@@aussieexpat Who said anything about 9mm?
@@aussieexpat I think he's coming in from a whole 'nother world right now. Why? No idea. M1 carbine is an outdated PDW.
Well first off you are wrong about several things here.
#1 LRBHO is available on Glock fed AR9' AMERICAN RESISTANCE GEAR has a bomb proof LRBHO and is robust and 100% reliable even on full auto
#2 having a pistol caliber carbine that does not share mags with your side arm makez no sense at all.
#3 Glock mags are known to be some of the most reliable mags out there. The magpul glock mags have work 100% for me and others
#5 Glock is the most used pistol in the world so making a PCC that doesn't use Glock mags is short sighted👍🇺🇸
I do address this in my ar9 beats akv video. And i had another glock mag malfunction in my latest competition video :)
I dont shoot glock pistols generally so have little interest in the interchangeable aspect. I like PCCs for sport, so the background I give here is with respect to competition use.
@@aussieexpat yeah brother these are my values and opinions. Nothing wrong with your views. I no longer shoot competition and haven't in years. So I guess for me it's more about the advantages of EDC and survival. Just pointing out that there are LRBHO and very reliable AR9 and other carbines that use pistol mags. No hate just saying👍🇺🇸
@@UncleDanBand64 yeah understood. There might be a more general pcc discussion in future...
Im still getting a feel for why people get guns. The people im surrounded by, it's all competition and id love to talk about the kinds of things most Americans are getting guns for!
@@aussieexpat I would love to see more on it. Definitely one of the fastest growing parts of the gun industry. To me it's kinda like the Old West. For the same reasons that a 6 gun and a lever gun were usually in the same caliber. It works today too. Maybe not as good as a true rifle chambering but, it's a lot less hassle.
@@UncleDanBand64 my local area had had a couple exhibition matches this year doing 2 gun, pcc and pistol. But i run the p320 for pistol. I have a p80, but i simply shoot the p320 better.
No doubt, the AR9 is great. I just had so many AR platforms, it got old. I always wanted and AK, but jeeeeeeeeeez another rifle caliber gun? Then this comes along. It's so comfortable and so much fun to shoot, i'm not sure I want to carry another pistol caliber AR.
It's hard to quantify how much fun this gun is and why it's worthy of so much well earned love!
Are you an American ?if not ,do you run 9mm pistol s in your country because they wont allow riffles?or
I live in America. 9mm rifle is useful for shooting sports and many ranges since it can be safely used on steel targets up close.
Full size rifles are used, but engagements distances for rifle are typically 100 to 600 yards.
I have rifles, but I've put a lot more rounds and had a lot more trigger time on the 9mm rifles.
Good opinions I think. Nice vid, made me want an AR-9 even less now lol
Radial delay shits all over every point of your argument
I see we like to stand in the fatal funnel and blast targets, right on.....right on.
Ha i know. Ive lambasted the idpa rules about how deadly the "tactics" would actually be in a real scenario.
It hurts your head less if you just treat it as a game like any other.
what about this compared to cz scorpion which one would ya roll with?
Ultimately, my main concern is competition. And there are currently only two strong answers for that, AR9 and Sig MPX.
The AKV is a wonderful firearm, but it has a few minor issues that make less than competitive, mostly the manual of arms being slower and recoil tunability.
@@aussieexpat good answer
You done lost yo mine saying it's better than an AR9 but I still would like to own a PSA AKV 9 mm PCC !!!!
See my other video, AR9 is still my main competition gun for a reason. But the AKV is more fun....
Did you ever hear of the arv ???
Two words- jp shortstroke. They are now even cut so they work with LRBHO as well. Pure sex
Talk about misleading.. you created a video saying why the AR9 is better
Looks do matter! Subbed, hit the bell notification but stopped short of sports suit and slav accent :)
All AK9 recievers crack at around 10,000 rounds. I like Aks more but this is unreal sad blackpill.
I find this difficult to imagine as the receiver is steel and the bolt mass is greater than my ar9.
But if it's true, PSA have a lifetime warranty.
Liked for track suit clip. Rofl
Some AR9s have LRBHO, but they use converted pmags
And some AR9s have LRBHO and use Glock mags
And some AR9s have LRBHO and use Glock mags
And some AR9s have LRBHO and use Glock mags
How about blow back on the AKV shooting left handed?
I haven't noticed any issues with shooting from the left.
cool video - now im a jonesing for one.. arggh
Don't like either, I'll keep my
Kel-Tec Sub2000, reasons:
#1 Can fold
#2 Parts are cheaper
#3 Is easier to clean
#4 It's not a fake AR or AK
I think its kel tecs best gun. I really dont see enough of them, but "survival" type guns dont seem to fair too well in USAs recreation dominated market.
But it’s a Kel tec and friends don’t let friends buy keltecs. You’ll need the extra parts and good luck with optics. Last but not least, it’s one heck of an ugly gun.
Your reasons 3-4 are a bit subjective.
Is ak-v a better option than Scorpion evo?
I cant give a qualified answer to that. I just don't like how it looks...
Ive also heard issues with it being plastic and basically shredding itself, but thats me hearing someone who knew someone type info.
I know the evo has a better mag release, can be done with trigger finger.
Does the AKV feed hollow point reliably?
no idea sorry.
Why do you have two Holosun's on you AR9?
Hello ARV USES SCORPION MAGS LAST ROUND HOLD OPEN HELLO.
Would be nice if you could find one,they like are unicorns no one finds them.
You have to jump on the website daily after 4pm EST. Just ordered one on 4/30. OD green MOE model. Waiting for it to hit my FFL. I looked today and two models were available for 30 minutes. Good luck!
Im between AKV or Stribog. ..will likely end up with both lol.
Just got my AKv in Plum, Only 200 rounds but damn dude I’m in love and I hate AKs.
My ar9 has LRBHO
Yes plenty of receivers offer the feature in one way or another.
Just ordered one this evening.
I want an AR15 that takes mp5 mags
Fm9 bolt lock every time.
steel 9mm isnt A thing in the US
Not as much anymore it seems
"Looking cool" ?
*Good grief... FacePalm*
5 reason you can't get one.
Out of Stock x 5. They are doing the Kel- Tec thing, advertise and no product.
Check at about 1pm est. Thats when the stock usually goes online each day. What exactly will be in stock, who knows. I had to hunt for about a week beforw the black one with the sba3 was up.
So AKV vs CZ Scorp?
Unlikely to see it from me... i dont even know someone that has one :/
I love both, but I have to go CZ.
i prefer ar 9 or kriss vector but i might look into ak 9’s
I call bull shit