To be fair, Runescape's original approach to PvP was it. Cross in to the Wilderness, kill other players and "get out" without dying haha. Dark Zone was soo good conceptually, shame the game itself wasn't great.
@@iamsampeters DZ was great till patch 1.8 with these damn 6 pieces classifield, jesus.. you had team running nomad with 3 free lives 😂, took them 2 other patch to disable it while in a team.
@@ItzKamo Ah man, I think it had a heap of issues - I feel like combat in that game was generally a bit of an after thought. Bullet sponge bosses, excessive TTKs etc.
I'm going to have to go with Delta Force after being fully addicted the last 3 weeks. The game takes the best parts from battlefield, call of duty, and Tarkov. I can see myself grinding all the content for a while
tcf was probably one of the most addicting games I've ever played. The team did so well from a creative standpoint, but technically speaking it was full of flaws so I can understand why they took it down completely. I think they'll bring TCF back, eventually but not in the same way, similar to how the game failed before it became TCF
I tried Tarkov... even with my second monitor showing the map, trying to orient myself/figure out where I actually am on the map was so annoying. Then, not knowing which items were the "must loot" items. Which items I looted were good for selling vs what I needed to keep for challenges, or what would skyrocket in value later in the wipe, etc. Then having to figure out which extraction point to go to, or getting there and it's not actually active, etc. Im a dad with a full time job. I don't have time for all that. Delta Force has been so fun. Great QoL features, everything is explained, rough prices on items as you loot them... favorited items so I know if it's something I need for base upgrades, etc... then it has the Battlefield type mode for when I just want to run and gun. Haven't played ABI. Downloaded it when it released to everyone, but then the news on the P2W stuff came out, and I was already loving DF so I just uninstalled it.
@@MansterBear tbh I understand why you might not wanna play ABI but after giving it a try it definitely is a better game than Tarkov in the sense that it respects your time. I’m super busy with life rn but when I have an hour or two to spare I can get at least 1 mil in Koen. If you are a busy person it’s not a bad game I’d recommend not paying any money though so you don’t feel like you’re wasting money.
ABI is fairly easy to get into. On the first map you can get like half a mil to a mil koen in one hour, players aren't extremely good rn, and no matter what ur loot is, 1 purple sniper bullet is gonna one to two shot you
AFI looks like a cloned yet more easy/updated EFT. Delta force is like a mixture of EFT (the extraction mode premise), DMZ(the gunplay, health, and movement), and Apex(with the team based operators)+ they have the battlefield style mode. As of now, I'm team delta force 100% as the majority are but we'll see as this year comes to a close. Delta force is looking like it will become a giant in the gaming industry going into next year
The learning curve for tarkov is what kept me from buying that game. Hawk Ops has done a great job of dumbing it down for us casuals. The havoc mode has been fun, the vehicles need a bit of work but very impressed what they’ve done so far. Thanks stone!
I really wish DMZ hadve kept going they had something special there. I remember playing it with a homie from the UK we were having a grand ol time and he said "I just know they're going to mess this up, it's too good" I laughed now here we are..
Imo,. The only thing DMZ had going for it was map size/variety, vehicles and the cool extract mechanics. Delta force basicaly dunks it on everything else.
@@ItsJustHenriHeck it became pay to win and the silly meta crap that requires you to grind for a few hrs with each gun in MP sucked. But without those it was great
How cool would it be in extration shooters if every time a cheater was banned, they went through their match history and reimbursed every player they killed with the gear they lost to the cheater? Has this ever been done before?
@KeyJOSH8 Cycle Frontier actually did this but per raid, I would log back on each day and sometimes get upwards of 4 cheater reimbursements from yesterdays raids lol
If u think about the fact that u can buy Koen with rl money it doesnt feel like ABI wants u to get a hold of ur gear. Feels more like they appreciate if u loose.
I doubt there will be real money transactions with cheaters in Delta Force because you can't drop gear to other players in the game. If you bring any items in and drop them to your buddies, then extract, the items get mailed back to you. So there would be no possibility of hackers loading in, vacuuming up the best loot and then attempting to sell it to other players because it isnt possible. They could just sell the account though
Yeah good thought I didn’t even think about that. Will definitely help with keeping cheaters out but not entirely cuz obviously people will just pay the cheaters to carry them through a raid and get all the loot for doing so. Definitely helps combat some of it either way.
It might still be feasible, but there would be a whole process for it. Like use a VPN in Oceania and queue with these parameters at this specific time, confirm that you are on the same server as the "seller", meet up, kill and loot them. Or abuse auction house in a similar way
Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction to extraction shooter genre 01:34 - Free-to-play model and its challenges 03:57 - Anti-cheat measures in both games 05:14 - Delta Force: Hawk Ops gameplay and features 07:51 - Arena Breakout: Infinite gameplay and initial impressions 12:27 - Monetization controversy in Arena Breakout: Infinite 15:35 - Real money trading and its impact on game economies 18:07 - Personal preferences and final recommendations
I think delta force really shows what changes DMZ needs. DMZ has a fun gameplay loop but no sense of progression. Take the gameplay of DMZ and the progression and armor system of delta force and COD can really make DMZ work but they probably dont give a shit
Cod dropped the bag a year ago with DMZ and I'm glad because they don't deserve the success. Recently Activision has become a predatory crappy company in my opinion.
@@nathandingy nah it's not the armor system, it's the market place. You can stay with the 4 different types of vests, and 2 or 3 plate variants, and only medium or large bags. What you need is the ability to extract and sell things to vendors and a marketplace. Lootable attachments,that can also be bought/sold on the market place, allowing us to apply the blueprint variants on the fly. Insured slots just spitting out 0 attachment guns and having much longer cool downs. I do know that infinity Ward is currently fighting with Activision over mw4, so i am certainly worried about cod ever truly being as good as it was again.
DMZ was the only reason I played Warzone. I honestly lean more to Arena breakout. The graphics and atmosphere fits my appeal more. My problem is I'm a casual dad so Arena may be too hardcore for me lol. For me its going to come down to what I can run on my pc and how my ping will look like because ping is usually my main issue due to my location
14:58 delta force had basically gotten rid of RMT by making it so tht any time u pick up a loot from a member of ur squad random or premade even if its off an enemy players body it gets sent back to them so there would be no way for cheaters or players to sell in game loot in delta force it would just disappear from the buys inventory upon extraction and get sent as a msg to the seller
I've played them both I liked Arena Breakout it was literally Tarkov lite. But i liked Delta more because it was because it had the battlefield game modes and the extraction part. Delta just seems more fun and that's what I've been looking for in an extraction shooter. Just wish Delta had a solo Queue but still playable Solo.
So I have a question, when these 2 games came out the same week and both required you to watch a twitch streamer to get an early access to the game. So during that week both games were both published by Level Infinite, both games. And then a week went by and they changed owners. And both games at the time did look the same. So what happened during that time period? It seems sketchy during that week for both games and how it all changed after a few people noticed.
Great side by side comparison, concise breakdowns and pros and cons. Thanks Stone. Delta Force looks like a solid game, I'm looking forward to the beta.
Delta Force all day long! I played ABI a lot, but this time is idk, the game is amazing i love it, but the biggest down point is for me, 1. Prices of stuff is soooooo HIGH man. 2. u need magazines, in Delta u Don't . Im glad that Delta is going different way then ABI. 3. The AI is way diff in ABI then in Delta, ABI AI is similar to DMZ AI, many times they can see u through trees, in a much longer distance than in Delta. I love both games, but Delta is winner for Me! ❤️
I'd honestly try both Hawk ops and ABI they feel sorta close to cycle in some ways. But Cycle was a masterpiece that hopefully one day will be revived. Without cheaters and scummy devs would be nice tho.
@@MrWEST1 I'm playing ABI rn, but Cycle's thematic it's what gets me. Also, it was more arcade, which I find more fun. I'll try to check Delta Force. =/
regarding the DF safebox they did it the smart way by limiting what can be put into it. sure you can put in a large red/gold item but there are items that it wont accept so the risk of losing a lot of stuff is still there.
It would be cool if the bodies stay on the ground (pause) in delta force. It tells a better story than them disappearing and seeing just a loot box. Seems a bit tacky but other than that still looking forward to delta force.
I've tried Blackout for nearly a week and just couldn't find the draw. Thanks for the layout of both cases. I can't wait for Delta Hawk Ops to come out.
I agree. The studio going back on promises before launch isn't a good look. I'll be looking forward to getting my hands-on Delta force. Is Delta force going to be on steam?
@@barbsuruncle it’s even going to be on console by the end of this year. Or I might be thinking about arena, but one of them does have talks with a quick google search. But to answer your question, both will be on steam. Arena is technically on mobile right now, it just costs a lot of space. So to be honest, these games are taking over, and tarkov is still taking hundreds from people just for more space. Like, I already have cross play with lost light, I just come to tarkov for the cool new stuff they add, even though you have to be a try hard and be at least lvl 30 before you can see that stuff.
i have been playing arena breakout from my mobile for about an year. this games gives the realistic gunfighting experience. way superior than cod, battlefield, etc. it had ingame currency from the start, its no surprise. but the same safe boxes that u buy using currency is also available for season credits for llimited time.
After playing both for hours here’s the easiest take away. If you wanted a Tarkov experience that is a slightly lighter version of it if things like a mini map or map in general along with being able to see teammates, roll up bags and other stuff then arena is the way to go. For a way more casual experience then Delta is the way to go especially with the fact you can make more meaningful money in delta than you can in arena. It’s easier to find items that have enough value to allow you to build out new setups and there are ways to get tickets to get free loadouts as well. Overall both are fun but are made for 2 different types of players
I'm a fan of Arena Breakout. I'm afraid Delta will turn out to be taken over by the aim assist console kids. I will say after playing AB for over 100hrs, I havent noticed the p2w to be any factor at all. My advice is to stay off the Asian servers because they've been raised on p2w games. The North American servers are still a lot of fun and haven't been p2w at all in my experience. I've seen a couple players but they were both bad and donated their gear to my squad. If you're looking for a more user friendly Tarkov then play AB, if you're looking for a mix of Cod and BF then play Delta. Both are great games! I'm just happy we finally have something decent to play again.
100 hours is nothing in the grand scheme and if u worried about console kids (which i agree with) just dont play delta force, im gonna play it for the battlefield gamemodes
@@densonjc I never understood it either until I spent my whole life on console and then went to pc. Now I understand why aim assist is a bad thing for games like this.
I spent 100 on abi for money havent spent a fraction of it yet and it will keep me going for probably 6 months maybe indefinitely if i can keep pulling good raids
on the flipside; i have spent 0 dollars and have only used the elite coupons you get by playing the game. i have 3 million koen, and have been able to keep my starting AK i have modded. I am Lvl 23 and have been able to run absolutely gnarly kits to just HAVE FUN. Thats all this is about. Having fun at the end of the day. I don’t need to flex by playing the “harder game.” I am just having fun without spending any money. GGz
14:10 No this is not an argument, this is just justifying P2W for literally no reason. A skilled whale will destroy you with the gear he has. Heck, with thermals he sees you before you can even react.
I play Arena and Delta Force. I think both games are incredibly good. It's a welcome change compared to the games we've been getting over the last few years. As an extraction shooter, Arena is simply unbeatable for me. I've never had such emotions, such a gaming experience as I had with Arena in my life. The game is really hard to master but it's worth it. The game has so many layers that you don't even understand the complexity of the game at first. In Delta Force, I mainly played the Battlefield mode and was totally thrilled. As a pre-orderer of Battlefield 2042, I expected little but got a lot. I only played the Extraction mode a little because it is much less realistic than Arena and in my opinion is more like Warzone than Tarkov. But I can imagine that it is also very good. Arena is much closer to Tarkov than Delta Force. I think it's good that Arena and Delta Force are different in Extraction mode, then we have two different games.
I totally agree with every point. Bad timed release for AB to release the same time as Delta Force, otherwise it would have has a chance. Excellent video!
i go for delta force as i played all the delta force games from the past that where released by Novalogic like Delta force land warrior released in 2000 and so on :)
The big elephant in the room is gamers who aren't good at hardcore games like tarkov which is the number one game of the genre, want to talk about how they are good at the genre without being good at tarkov. If you know you know.
I'm curious is his mic quality in this TH-cam video the same as in game my wave 3 microphone sounds great when i open wave link software and hear myself talk but sounds completely different when im in a game it sounds different for the other people listening to me example when I'm listening to myself talk in wave link software with noise removal on i don't hear my fan but when i go into a game and other people hear me talk or i just put the mic on always on they can hear the fan yet i cant in the software
I agree with your summation, however I also enjoy going in solo with "value" gear and sneaking around taking out juiced players who have spent real money to buy their stuff. Nothing feels better in game than going with mid guns and meh gear and coming out loaded up!
love ABI for how hard the game is and the reality of the experience, no markers, no crosshairs, nothing, it´s just too hardore and that´s what makes it an amazing game. Not even going into ptw discussions.
I play all three! Tarkov and abi on my primary gaming desktop and other games on my laptop I carry around when visiting family and friends and all games are awesome to play why choose tbh
I couldn't care less about extraction shooters, but I am more interested in if Delta Force's other mode can be a legit Battlefield competitor. I find game modes are much more fun when you can make adjustments and change strategies to try to claw your way back into a match that's not going your way. That just doesn't exist in BRs/extraction shooters where your match is over once you die. You can't go "wow that guy's got a good setup for clearing rooms, so I'm going to swap to a long range weapon and see if I can shut him down from distance", you're just dead. If Delta Force can give DICE a kick in the pants with some legitimate competition, that'd be a win.
I haven't played BF for a long time, but I like DF's version of it. Not as much destruction and stuff, but it's very fun. I've turned the tides a couple times by flanking and putting the spawn beacon deep in their line. You get some people spawning over there, create another front to fight on, then the fight for the point becomes easier, etc. I've spent more time in the extraction mode, but the BF mode seems fun enough too. Good thing is it's free, so you can try it pretty easily.
@@wonderousboyout of nowhere???? It’s fundamental bad game. Gun play is awful, little gun customization, the ship system is awful, just spam a ship after you’ve destroyed it and you body players and the only counter is to jump ship before you get killed… The ads are horrible. You can point blank mag dump an ad and get one banged in the face by it. There’s no gear fear, your handed everything 2 hours into play. Very few maps, nothing to grind for. Just all round bad game. It definitely didn’t die outta no where it died on release because of how bad the game play was and still is. It needs a complete overhaul to its core game play if it wants to attempt to grab more then 400 players a month. 😂
The fact that both games came from Chinese game company and we can't change the fact that they have the same marketing strategy to most of the free download games. I played both DF and AB and I'm getting used of it as f2p
Would be nice if Tarkov had a sub-server to cross platform PC and mobile like how arena breakout did and the new Beta WZ. (Unfortunately had my account hacked and a 2step Authentior placed on it....some people ruin good things but anyway I digress from my recent gaming pitfalls of experience) but yaa I agree with Stone on how a personal choice of sticking with Delta Force. Just watching you game I know the sunshine will come over thoughs mountains. Much respect and keep banging out thoughs heads hots! 💯
Its time they make AI eliminate cheaters as i would say good luck to them once AI handles it as it will remember you from your play style and voice and many other factors as it will monitor players closely so once you play it knows you on a personal level
optimization, graphics, game mode, tanks and planes are not at all terrible, the balance in this game is at a high level. large companies should follow the example of this production, even in 2024 this game works great on my computer with gtx1060, The Best game in 2024 year
And where is p2w? Come go buy all expensive stuff the best helmet the best armor i just brough sks with 20 bullets whre it cost me 30k and if headshot u you done and ur all p2w come to me so where is the P2W where is the adventage?
There is none of these that are a "tarkov killer" as they have very different takes on how the games are played... and both Delta force and ABI seems more like competitors to COD rather than a hardcore survival extraction as tarkov. Even Gray zone cant really be compaired to being a tarkov killer, even though it have the more "hardcore" take as tarkov have.
Unfortunately so far nothing has been a Tarkov killer. I cant wait for the day that something is cuz I hate to love that game given all the bullshit the devs have pulled and the amount of cheaters who play.
I love arena, did not even buy anything and have stuff worth 7 mil. even got extended stash by just doing quests. so yeah this is my go to game dont think ill go back to tarkov.
I just have zero desire to play tarkov ever again. Started playing in 2018 and doing the same quests over and over is just a chore at this point. It was better when the flea market was open and you could just buy whatever gear u wanted.
I played DFHO solo and got hooked. I did find myself playing the game modes other than the extraction one more. I like the time to kill and the simplicity. None of those BS gadgets and weapons from bf2042.
So far I can say delta force is dmz's replacement. Keeping in mind they do have to make money. I'll be interested to see how they actually execute that front.
I think a big problem with games that had always been a thing, but its so escalated now its insane is "this is the X(game) killer" when you say that sentance it puts such high expectations on a game that in reality is just another game. We need to stop calling games "CoD killers" or "tarkov killers" or "Battlefield killers" instead of that look at them more as competition. Competition is good for any game because it forces developers to make changes they normally wouldnt. No game is gonna "kill" CoD Tarkov or battlefield except for the developers of said game. Give the new games a chance of success by letting them be their own game
ABI is more my style and closer to tarkov which i like, delta force feels more like dmz/cod which is less my style, delta force is the objectively better made game but ABI is more my style as delta force just lacks that depth as ABI and EFT, the battlefield style mode is really fun but if it's an extraction game/mode I want it to be pretty hardcore.
I just realized that The Division had this eons ago in the “Darkzone.”
Dark zone, my home infected by hackers since 2016 😂, toxic area as well, as good as COD. Then survival mode was good pve or pvp. Great sound track
To be fair, Runescape's original approach to PvP was it.
Cross in to the Wilderness, kill other players and "get out" without dying haha.
Dark Zone was soo good conceptually, shame the game itself wasn't great.
Thank You!
@@iamsampeters DZ was great till patch 1.8 with these damn 6 pieces classifield, jesus.. you had team running nomad with 3 free lives 😂, took them 2 other patch to disable it while in a team.
@@ItzKamo Ah man, I think it had a heap of issues - I feel like combat in that game was generally a bit of an after thought.
Bullet sponge bosses, excessive TTKs etc.
I'm going to have to go with Delta Force after being fully addicted the last 3 weeks. The game takes the best parts from battlefield, call of duty, and Tarkov. I can see myself grinding all the content for a while
the best parts lol. People were playing delta force before any of those were main stream lol
so, you have no clue about BF
My friends and I miss the cycle every day 😢
@@brandongrotha7508 same here
tcf was probably one of the most addicting games I've ever played. The team did so well from a creative standpoint, but technically speaking it was full of flaws so I can understand why they took it down completely. I think they'll bring TCF back, eventually but not in the same way, similar to how the game failed before it became TCF
damn, forgot the name of the game as i was remembering how much fun i had. Solo Queue, nice loot/item System. Enjoyed it alot.
Great Video! As soon as I get access to Delta Force, I will sink my teeth into it. Until then I will ABI
I tried Tarkov... even with my second monitor showing the map, trying to orient myself/figure out where I actually am on the map was so annoying. Then, not knowing which items were the "must loot" items. Which items I looted were good for selling vs what I needed to keep for challenges, or what would skyrocket in value later in the wipe, etc.
Then having to figure out which extraction point to go to, or getting there and it's not actually active, etc. Im a dad with a full time job. I don't have time for all that. Delta Force has been so fun. Great QoL features, everything is explained, rough prices on items as you loot them... favorited items so I know if it's something I need for base upgrades, etc... then it has the Battlefield type mode for when I just want to run and gun.
Haven't played ABI. Downloaded it when it released to everyone, but then the news on the P2W stuff came out, and I was already loving DF so I just uninstalled it.
@@MansterBear tbh I understand why you might not wanna play ABI but after giving it a try it definitely is a better game than Tarkov in the sense that it respects your time. I’m super busy with life rn but when I have an hour or two to spare I can get at least 1 mil in Koen. If you are a busy person it’s not a bad game I’d recommend not paying any money though so you don’t feel like you’re wasting money.
ABI is fairly easy to get into. On the first map you can get like half a mil to a mil koen in one hour, players aren't extremely good rn, and no matter what ur loot is, 1 purple sniper bullet is gonna one to two shot you
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AFI looks like a cloned yet more easy/updated EFT. Delta force is like a mixture of EFT (the extraction mode premise), DMZ(the gunplay, health, and movement), and Apex(with the team based operators)+ they have the battlefield style mode. As of now, I'm team delta force 100% as the majority are but we'll see as this year comes to a close. Delta force is looking like it will become a giant in the gaming industry going into next year
The learning curve for tarkov is what kept me from buying that game. Hawk Ops has done a great job of dumbing it down for us casuals. The havoc mode has been fun, the vehicles need a bit of work but very impressed what they’ve done so far. Thanks stone!
full of bots, bots with dogtags DOA
There is no learning curve for tarkov
@@Prosthetics555 what do you mean?
@@petrklicz6939 What's to learn? Inventory/walking/camping simulator.
@@Prosthetics555 ye, sure 😆😆
ABI is solo friendly.
Delta is Team focused, especially with the abilities.
Both good IMO, both fun, both free.
@@alxiong abi is kinda pay to win
@@Edson-Ragas oh it’s pay 2 win alright. But ABI takes no skill to kill a whale.
how is abi solo friendly you cant do shit solo when you ran into 4 man squad every time xD
I really wish DMZ hadve kept going they had something special there. I remember playing it with a homie from the UK we were having a grand ol time and he said "I just know they're going to mess this up, it's too good" I laughed now here we are..
Both of these new options are way better than DMZ.
@@ThrobRoss I'm for sure going to check them out on PS5 if I can
@@ItsJustHenriHeck definitely! They would both make great console games.
Imo,. The only thing DMZ had going for it was map size/variety, vehicles and the cool extract mechanics.
Delta force basicaly dunks it on everything else.
@@ItsJustHenriHeck it became pay to win and the silly meta crap that requires you to grind for a few hrs with each gun in MP sucked. But without those it was great
How cool would it be in extration shooters if every time a cheater was banned, they went through their match history and reimbursed every player they killed with the gear they lost to the cheater? Has this ever been done before?
@KeyJOSH8 Cycle Frontier actually did this but per raid, I would log back on each day and sometimes get upwards of 4 cheater reimbursements from yesterdays raids lol
RIP The Cycle 😭
Arena Breakout only somewhat compensates you for reporting
Arena breakout refunds you some stuff if the person you report is found to be using third party software and gets permabanned
If u think about the fact that u can buy Koen with rl money it doesnt feel like ABI wants u to get a hold of ur gear. Feels more like they appreciate if u loose.
I doubt there will be real money transactions with cheaters in Delta Force because you can't drop gear to other players in the game. If you bring any items in and drop them to your buddies, then extract, the items get mailed back to you. So there would be no possibility of hackers loading in, vacuuming up the best loot and then attempting to sell it to other players because it isnt possible. They could just sell the account though
Yeah good thought I didn’t even think about that. Will definitely help with keeping cheaters out but not entirely cuz obviously people will just pay the cheaters to carry them through a raid and get all the loot for doing so. Definitely helps combat some of it either way.
It might still be feasible, but there would be a whole process for it. Like use a VPN in Oceania and queue with these parameters at this specific time, confirm that you are on the same server as the "seller", meet up, kill and loot them. Or abuse auction house in a similar way
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction to extraction shooter genre
01:34 - Free-to-play model and its challenges
03:57 - Anti-cheat measures in both games
05:14 - Delta Force: Hawk Ops gameplay and features
07:51 - Arena Breakout: Infinite gameplay and initial impressions
12:27 - Monetization controversy in Arena Breakout: Infinite
15:35 - Real money trading and its impact on game economies
18:07 - Personal preferences and final recommendations
cod is severely dropping the bag with dmz.
I think delta force really shows what changes DMZ needs. DMZ has a fun gameplay loop but no sense of progression. Take the gameplay of DMZ and the progression and armor system of delta force and COD can really make DMZ work but they probably dont give a shit
Cod dropped the bag a year ago with DMZ and I'm glad because they don't deserve the success. Recently Activision has become a predatory crappy company in my opinion.
@@Deltatwo3 lmao please explain.
@@knolsey I agreed with your comment... What do you want me to explain?
@@nathandingy nah it's not the armor system, it's the market place. You can stay with the 4 different types of vests, and 2 or 3 plate variants, and only medium or large bags. What you need is the ability to extract and sell things to vendors and a marketplace. Lootable attachments,that can also be bought/sold on the market place, allowing us to apply the blueprint variants on the fly. Insured slots just spitting out 0 attachment guns and having much longer cool downs.
I do know that infinity Ward is currently fighting with Activision over mw4, so i am certainly worried about cod ever truly being as good as it was again.
Delta force all the way, got lucky last night and I’m hooked!
DMZ was the only reason I played Warzone. I honestly lean more to Arena breakout. The graphics and atmosphere fits my appeal more. My problem is I'm a casual dad so Arena may be too hardcore for me lol. For me its going to come down to what I can run on my pc and how my ping will look like because ping is usually my main issue due to my location
Cheating needs to be handled. It's so out of hand nowadays. Sadly, it really ruins the experience for the masses.
I'd be happy to pay full retail for the campaign. Just keep the in game monetization in HO to battle pass and skins.
14:58 delta force had basically gotten rid of RMT by making it so tht any time u pick up a loot from a member of ur squad random or premade even if its off an enemy players body it gets sent back to them so there would be no way for cheaters or players to sell in game loot in delta force it would just disappear from the buys inventory upon extraction and get sent as a msg to the seller
@@christopherpitts3941 ABI had it first
100% go for Delta Force: Hawk Ops
I've played them both I liked Arena Breakout it was literally Tarkov lite. But i liked Delta more because it was because it had the battlefield game modes and the extraction part. Delta just seems more fun and that's what I've been looking for in an extraction shooter. Just wish Delta had a solo Queue but still playable Solo.
So I have a question, when these 2 games came out the same week and both required you to watch a twitch streamer to get an early access to the game. So during that week both games were both published by Level Infinite, both games. And then a week went by and they changed owners. And both games at the time did look the same. So what happened during that time period? It seems sketchy during that week for both games and how it all changed after a few people noticed.
very useful vid! Thank you for putting it out there!
Delta: Movement speed and adjustment blows. Its like walking in quick sand.
Great side by side comparison, concise breakdowns and pros and cons. Thanks Stone. Delta Force looks like a solid game, I'm looking forward to the beta.
Thanks!
MUCH LOVE
Cool a race to be the first billion dollar a year extraction shooter so fun...
The Cycle had a system that gave you back what you lost to a cheater, hope it is the same here.
Love the break down and the non bias opinions great job
Delta Force all day long!
I played ABI a lot, but this time is idk, the game is amazing i love it, but the biggest down point is for me, 1. Prices of stuff is soooooo HIGH man. 2. u need magazines, in Delta u Don't .
Im glad that Delta is going different way then ABI. 3. The AI is way diff in ABI then in Delta, ABI AI is similar to DMZ AI, many times they can see u through trees, in a much longer distance than in Delta.
I love both games, but Delta is winner for Me!
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Paying for an advantage over other players in a pvp game is the definition of pay-to-win
Man... I miss The Cycle so much. =(
Is there anything close to what it was?
Insane to me they sunset the game.
@@Deltatwo3 they couldn't do anything about the cheaters and their budget ended, so nothing to do about it. =/
I'd honestly try both Hawk ops and ABI they feel sorta close to cycle in some ways. But Cycle was a masterpiece that hopefully one day will be revived. Without cheaters and scummy devs would be nice tho.
@@MrWEST1 I'm playing ABI rn, but Cycle's thematic it's what gets me. Also, it was more arcade, which I find more fun. I'll try to check Delta Force. =/
@reportimortal Delta force and ABI are both good and I've been playing the both
regarding the DF safebox they did it the smart way by limiting what can be put into it. sure you can put in a large red/gold item but there are items that it wont accept so the risk of losing a lot of stuff is still there.
I am just more excited about Hawk Ops because it has the 32v32 and I am more interested in that.
seems many people are
@@StoneMountain64 It just feels similar to battlefeild 3/4 and after 2042 I think people want a new look at the genre.
Interesting thoughts about and - at the same time - a great comparison of the two games I both like a lot.
It would be cool if the bodies stay on the ground (pause) in delta force. It tells a better story than them disappearing and seeing just a loot box. Seems a bit tacky but other than that still looking forward to delta force.
you're forgetting to mention the division that's also another extractor shooting that's been out for a minute
I've tried Blackout for nearly a week and just couldn't find the draw.
Thanks for the layout of both cases. I can't wait for Delta Hawk Ops to come out.
I agree. The studio going back on promises before launch isn't a good look. I'll be looking forward to getting my hands-on Delta force. Is Delta force going to be on steam?
@@barbsuruncle it’s even going to be on console by the end of this year. Or I might be thinking about arena, but one of them does have talks with a quick google search. But to answer your question, both will be on steam. Arena is technically on mobile right now, it just costs a lot of space. So to be honest, these games are taking over, and tarkov is still taking hundreds from people just for more space. Like, I already have cross play with lost light, I just come to tarkov for the cool new stuff they add, even though you have to be a try hard and be at least lvl 30 before you can see that stuff.
i have been playing arena breakout from my mobile for about an year. this games gives the realistic gunfighting experience. way superior than cod, battlefield, etc. it had ingame currency from the start, its no surprise. but the same safe boxes that u buy using currency is also available for season credits for llimited time.
After playing both for hours here’s the easiest take away. If you wanted a Tarkov experience that is a slightly lighter version of it if things like a mini map or map in general along with being able to see teammates, roll up bags and other stuff then arena is the way to go.
For a way more casual experience then Delta is the way to go especially with the fact you can make more meaningful money in delta than you can in arena. It’s easier to find items that have enough value to allow you to build out new setups and there are ways to get tickets to get free loadouts as well. Overall both are fun but are made for 2 different types of players
The Division did Dark Zone which was cool for the time.
They were doing their own spinoff of just the dark zone extraction that just got cancelled too
@@StoneMountain64 big sad about that, got to play a beta and it was super fun!
I'm a fan of Arena Breakout. I'm afraid Delta will turn out to be taken over by the aim assist console kids. I will say after playing AB for over 100hrs, I havent noticed the p2w to be any factor at all. My advice is to stay off the Asian servers because they've been raised on p2w games. The North American servers are still a lot of fun and haven't been p2w at all in my experience. I've seen a couple players but they were both bad and donated their gear to my squad. If you're looking for a more user friendly Tarkov then play AB, if you're looking for a mix of Cod and BF then play Delta. Both are great games! I'm just happy we finally have something decent to play again.
And the monetization for delta force isnt even out yet. However i dont feel any P2W in ABI. What you wrote sums it up.
Arena breakout sadly has p2win but it’s not Tarkov level atleast
100 hours is nothing in the grand scheme and if u worried about console kids (which i agree with) just dont play delta force, im gonna play it for the battlefield gamemodes
@@LifeOnEarthTogether ill never understand the vendetta u pc players have with console players 😭 it’s such one sided beef
@@densonjc I never understood it either until I spent my whole life on console and then went to pc. Now I understand why aim assist is a bad thing for games like this.
I spent 100 on abi for money havent spent a fraction of it yet and it will keep me going for probably 6 months maybe indefinitely if i can keep pulling good raids
on the flipside; i have spent 0 dollars and have only used the elite coupons you get by playing the game. i have 3 million koen, and have been able to keep my starting AK i have modded. I am Lvl 23 and have been able to run absolutely gnarly kits to just HAVE FUN. Thats all this is about. Having fun at the end of the day. I don’t need to flex by playing the “harder game.” I am just having fun without spending any money. GGz
@7:29 how did your arrow not detect that guy at the top of the ladder?
20:25 perfect summary and agree 100%
14:10 No this is not an argument, this is just justifying P2W for literally no reason. A skilled whale will destroy you with the gear he has. Heck, with thermals he sees you before you can even react.
I play Arena and Delta Force. I think both games are incredibly good. It's a welcome change compared to the games we've been getting over the last few years. As an extraction shooter, Arena is simply unbeatable for me. I've never had such emotions, such a gaming experience as I had with Arena in my life. The game is really hard to master but it's worth it. The game has so many layers that you don't even understand the complexity of the game at first. In Delta Force, I mainly played the Battlefield mode and was totally thrilled. As a pre-orderer of Battlefield 2042, I expected little but got a lot. I only played the Extraction mode a little because it is much less realistic than Arena and in my opinion is more like Warzone than Tarkov. But I can imagine that it is also very good. Arena is much closer to Tarkov than Delta Force. I think it's good that Arena and Delta Force are different in Extraction mode, then we have two different games.
Love the vids man!
I totally agree with every point. Bad timed release for AB to release the same time as Delta Force, otherwise it would have has a chance. Excellent video!
Standard edition of eft is 50 you kept saying 70 thought I'd clarify.
i go for delta force as i played all the delta force games from the past that where released by Novalogic like Delta force land warrior released in 2000 and so on :)
Easy to say: Delta Force
The big elephant in the room is gamers who aren't good at hardcore games like tarkov which is the number one game of the genre, want to talk about how they are good at the genre without being good at tarkov. If you know you know.
Arena Breakout : You get to play ABI "Heart Attack, Fear, Disappointed".
Delta : Enjoy your game.
first most important question: DFHO is free like ABI?
The vots in DMZ are better than most players who has ever played a video game
I'm curious is his mic quality in this TH-cam video the same as in game my wave 3 microphone sounds great when i open wave link software and hear myself talk but sounds completely different when im in a game it sounds different for the other people listening to me example when I'm listening to myself talk in wave link software with noise removal on i don't hear my fan but when i go into a game and other people hear me talk or i just put the mic on always on they can hear the fan yet i cant in the software
I agree with your summation, however I also enjoy going in solo with "value" gear and sneaking around taking out juiced players who have spent real money to buy their stuff. Nothing feels better in game than going with mid guns and meh gear and coming out loaded up!
Hardware ban can easily prevent hackers form ever playing again
im just happy we have other option that did a good job
love ABI for how hard the game is and the reality of the experience, no markers, no crosshairs, nothing, it´s just too hardore and that´s what makes it an amazing game. Not even going into ptw discussions.
When is general access to DF HawkTuah (ops my bad)??
Awesome video!
I play all three! Tarkov and abi on my primary gaming desktop and other games on my laptop I carry around when visiting family and friends and all games are awesome to play why choose tbh
I couldn't care less about extraction shooters, but I am more interested in if Delta Force's other mode can be a legit Battlefield competitor. I find game modes are much more fun when you can make adjustments and change strategies to try to claw your way back into a match that's not going your way. That just doesn't exist in BRs/extraction shooters where your match is over once you die. You can't go "wow that guy's got a good setup for clearing rooms, so I'm going to swap to a long range weapon and see if I can shut him down from distance", you're just dead. If Delta Force can give DICE a kick in the pants with some legitimate competition, that'd be a win.
I haven't played BF for a long time, but I like DF's version of it.
Not as much destruction and stuff, but it's very fun.
I've turned the tides a couple times by flanking and putting the spawn beacon deep in their line. You get some people spawning over there, create another front to fight on, then the fight for the point becomes easier, etc.
I've spent more time in the extraction mode, but the BF mode seems fun enough too.
Good thing is it's free, so you can try it pretty easily.
Not even a mention to Marauders lol. Though I think that is more if a niche extraction shooter.
A shame that game died out of nowhere
@@wonderousboyout of nowhere???? It’s fundamental bad game. Gun play is awful, little gun customization, the ship system is awful, just spam a ship after you’ve destroyed it and you body players and the only counter is to jump ship before you get killed… The ads are horrible. You can point blank mag dump an ad and get one banged in the face by it.
There’s no gear fear, your handed everything 2 hours into play. Very few maps, nothing to grind for. Just all round bad game. It definitely didn’t die outta no where it died on release because of how bad the game play was and still is. It needs a complete overhaul to its core game play if it wants to attempt to grab more then 400 players a month. 😂
Good game. Still playing it. It just wiped too!
Great video by the way
Both are not on ps5? Is xdefiant amy good ?
The fact that both games came from Chinese game company and we can't change the fact that they have the same marketing strategy to most of the free download games.
I played both DF and AB and I'm getting used of it as f2p
9:56 wait.. there's actually a tutorial?! holy hell.. they win modern gaming.
Would be nice if Tarkov had a sub-server to cross platform PC and mobile like how arena breakout did and the new Beta WZ. (Unfortunately had my account hacked and a 2step Authentior placed on it....some people ruin good things but anyway I digress from my recent gaming pitfalls of experience) but yaa I agree with Stone on how a personal choice of sticking with Delta Force. Just watching you game I know the sunshine will come over thoughs mountains. Much respect and keep banging out thoughs heads hots! 💯
Its time they make AI eliminate cheaters as i would say good luck to them once AI handles it as it will remember you from your play style and voice and many other factors as it will monitor players closely so once you play it knows you on a personal level
Can Hawk Ops be played with a controller?
optimization, graphics, game mode, tanks and planes are not at all terrible, the balance in this game is at a high level. large companies should follow the example of this production, even in 2024 this game works great on my computer with gtx1060, The Best game in 2024 year
i put it for access forever ago and still dont have access for delta force
People saying ABI isnt P2W are just coping because they have picked the wrong game and dont want to feel like that made a mistake.
And where is p2w? Come go buy all expensive stuff the best helmet the best armor i just brough sks with 20 bullets whre it cost me 30k and if headshot u you done and ur all p2w come to me so where is the P2W where is the adventage?
There is none of these that are a "tarkov killer" as they have very different takes on how the games are played... and both Delta force and ABI seems more like competitors to COD rather than a hardcore survival extraction as tarkov.
Even Gray zone cant really be compaired to being a tarkov killer, even though it have the more "hardcore" take as tarkov have.
Unfortunately so far nothing has been a Tarkov killer. I cant wait for the day that something is cuz I hate to love that game given all the bullshit the devs have pulled and the amount of cheaters who play.
Can you play Solo on Delta Force?
How about Survival from The Division?
I love arena, did not even buy anything and have stuff worth 7 mil. even got extended stash by just doing quests. so yeah this is my go to game dont think ill go back to tarkov.
I just have zero desire to play tarkov ever again. Started playing in 2018 and doing the same quests over and over is just a chore at this point. It was better when the flea market was open and you could just buy whatever gear u wanted.
Isn’t arena breakout really predatory? I was excited for both but I refuse to play arena if it is
I played DFHO solo and got hooked. I did find myself playing the game modes other than the extraction one more. I like the time to kill and the simplicity. None of those BS gadgets and weapons from bf2042.
The mulch you have to deal with on console is a mess. At least you ain’t gotta worry about cheaters and modders
Stone 9:17 you have a 4 slot gold expensive item in your stash, and like a ballistic repair kit in your safe box. Drives me crazy 😂
The rmt in delta force is impossible bc they made where if a teammate picks up something you brought in it goes back to you
Is delta force only an access stage atm or is full release
It is alpha right now. Need to request access. Early Access to steam some time in Oct open to all and then release hopefully next year.
So far I can say delta force is dmz's replacement. Keeping in mind they do have to make money. I'll be interested to see how they actually execute that front.
How much for a BFG-9000?
What about "Gray Zone Warefare" ?
I think a big problem with games that had always been a thing, but its so escalated now its insane is "this is the X(game) killer" when you say that sentance it puts such high expectations on a game that in reality is just another game. We need to stop calling games "CoD killers" or "tarkov killers" or "Battlefield killers" instead of that look at them more as competition. Competition is good for any game because it forces developers to make changes they normally wouldnt. No game is gonna "kill" CoD Tarkov or battlefield except for the developers of said game. Give the new games a chance of success by letting them be their own game
have you so easily ruled out Grey Zone Warfare
ABI is more my style and closer to tarkov which i like, delta force feels more like dmz/cod which is less my style, delta force is the objectively better made game but ABI is more my style as delta force just lacks that depth as ABI and EFT, the battlefield style mode is really fun but if it's an extraction game/mode I want it to be pretty hardcore.
are these games controller compatible?
RIP the cycle, was a good game
I been waiting to play for months don’t understand why none streamers can’t get to play betas.
Great video stone! ABI pay to win needs to go but it won't and will destroy the game eventually
After seeing this I think arena breakout now is gunna b the more slapper of the tarkov killer but im down to run delta tho it looks good
there's a PC version of arena breakout?
It’s called Arena Breakout Infinite and can be downloaded from their website.
Completely agree with everything you said
If u want slide jumping, colorful guns and operator abilities play delta. If you want realism play abi.