This is not a good representation of doctor doom. Doctor doom is one of the best characters that has not had a good representation on screen. Think of a cross between doctor strange, Ironman, and Thanos. This is the reason people did not like this movie. The mask is iconic and should be his face pretty much all the time. Doom should have a much greater presence and almost be the protagonist.
Since I'm 5 hours behind, other people may have commented on this but this film was not part of the MCU the same way the Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies weren't. The rights were owned by a different company so it's a stand-alone film. After the introduction of the Multiverse, this can now be considered just another universe.
His Johnny is perfect. Exactly like he is in the comics. His Cap to me always felt like someone young playing dress up with grown up clothes. Like he is cosplaying as Cap. Cap in the comics is more manly.
Michael Chicklus is the best part of the movie for me. He wanted to play Ben Grimm ever since he was a child. I thought he was great. Very comic accurate. The step father, Elisha, mentions is the villain known as the Puppet Master. He is a sculptor that can control people with the little statues he makes.
@MaryCherryOfficial Because you wondered about where this is in the MCU; you have to realize that when this film came out in 2005, there was no MCU. Marvel had their comic book properties split between several film studios. - 20th Century Fox had X-Men, Daredevil, and Fantastic Four - Universal had The Incredible Hulk; in large part because they obtained the rights back in the 70’s to make The Incredible Hulk TV Series with Bill Bixby & Lou Ferrigno. - Columbia Pictures had Spider-Man - New Line Cinema had Blade It wasn’t until 2007, when Marvel; under Kevin Fiege had the idea of building “a universe” where each story intersects and connects with each other. The rest is history.
@@bystandah9626 Feige was an associate & executive producer on the Spider-Man sequels: Spider-Man 2 (2004) and Spider-Man 3 (2007). Avi Arad was the main producer on most of these films, except on the X-Men films; they were produced by Lauren Shuler-Donner; wife of Richard Donner (Superman, Lethal Weapon), and Ralph Winter (Star Trek III-VI).
@@dvass7253 He doesn't look like Grimm at all. He's supposed to be a good looking man in great shape. Chiklis turning into the Thing is a lateral move.
A classic Gamer/Comic Book Culture comedy comic strip Dork Tower has the main character Matt have to be restrained by his buddies from giving little kids a pop culture history lecture every time he hears them say: "FANTASTIC FOUR ARE A RIP OFF OF THE INCREDIBLES!"
@ghostspider2056 That's what i thought when i saw the INCREDIBLES , Fantastic Four did of course come before that as it was MARVEL's first superhero family , i jumping ahead of myself a bit since i missed the first part of the premiere i'll go back finish it later and post another comment i really enjoy Mary's reactions CHEERS .
People didn't like it because the plot wasn't that strong. These movies are based on books/comics, and people don't like it when things are taken so far that they are not as recognizable as the source material or a good plot. The mcu with Captain America was in disney ownership. These marvel characters, along with a few, are fox. That's what separated the characters, such as the torch and captain America. Disney bought them out and made him captain America instead. Remember, people have been paying thousands and supporting characters before the 60s. Passing on the love of the content.
Fox hired him to play Torch / Johnny and then Marvel hired him to play Captain America. They were 2 different companies who simply had film rights for the respective properties.
It’s the multiverse, the same way Peter Parker can look different in 3 different universes, multiple characters throughout the multiverse can look like chris evans
I remember the outcry when Chris Evans was cast as Captain America, specifically because of this role. They saw him as Johnny and felt he would be absolutely wrong and awful as Cap. Turned out actors can... act differently.
@@sensaiuriah5440 His weight and age were never an issue. When he was cast as Cap back in the day, everyone was just complaining that he had already played Johnny Storm, and played him very well. And in general up to that point, Chris Evans had portrayed characters that were all kinda brash and douchey; very much not a Steve Rogers.
I never could accept him as Cap. He did well but I always felt he was too boyish for the role. Cap in the comics is very much a man's man. And he is physically much bigger than Chris Evans.
Fun fact: Johnny isn’t the first Human Torch, the original was an android of the same name and powers during WW2 who worked alongside Captain America and other superheroes. One of the later heroes was also Toro, another hero with the same fire abilities as both Human Torches, his father also worked for the creator of the aforementioned android.
36:21 I understand what you were saying and respect your opinion, but they did change the name of invisible girl to invisible woman in the comics, but The names of the Fantastic Four, like Mr.Fantastic, Human Torch, and the Thing, might seem cheesy or outdated to modern audiences. However, these names were chosen by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the 1960s, a time when comic books were more lighthearted and focused on sci-fi and adventure. The names reflect the characters' powers and personalities: • Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards) is a nod to his incredible stretching abilities and his leadership role. • Human Torch (Johnny Storm) references his ability to generate flames from his body. • The Thing (Ben Grimm) is a self-deprecating name, as he struggles with his new, rock-like appearance. These names have become iconic and are deeply rooted in comic book history. They might not be as edgy or modern as some superhero names today, but they evoke a sense of nostalgia and classic heroism. the names into context and show that they were chosen to reflect the characters' powers and personalities, even if they might seem old-fashioned now.
Technically, this isn't a "modern" audience, it's a "digital" audience. The Modern Age ended when the internet took over and then it became the Digital Age. The names of the Fantastic 4 characters came out in the Modern Age so it's considered outdated by Digital Audiences. 😉😉
Chris Evans nailed his role as Johnny. I never knew he was Human Torch till after I was introduced to him as old fashioned boy scout Captain America, so seeing him act like a mischievous punk was an experience for me
I grew up only knowing him as that Cool Kid from Fantastic Four who wanted all the spotlight from the rest of his family 😂 I was unsure of him as Cap, but now I love Captain America because of Chris Evans. Total Opposite of your Experience bro haha
4:15 I understand the confusion. This was years before Chris Evans played the role of Captain America. Also, this movie isn't set in the MCU. This is just a Marvel movie. The MCU didn't start until 2008 with the first Iron Man film. Hope this makes sense! 🙏🏽💪
Chris Evans played 4 comic book characters, Steve Rogers (Captain America) and Johnny Storm (Human Torch) from Marvel, Jensen from the DC Comic The Losers, and Lucas Lee in Scott Pilgrim vs the World.
One reason for this movie to be criticised was for the portrayal of Dr Doom. It's not the actor's fault, it's because it was not at all comic accurate. Dr Doom along with Magneto are the most popular and fan favourite supervillains in Marvel Comics. Only Magneto got justice in film media.
@@TheRawrnstuff No bro, Green Goblin is super popular especially after his appearance in No Way Home. But that's just happened in the current times. Dr Doom has a huge fan following since his debut in comics regardless of any age. Moreover he is the main character/antagonist of marvel's most popular story line. The Secret Wars. And let's not forget the latest announcement about Dr Doom.
@@Crim50nDynam0 Yeah but that's kinda the point. The popularity of comic book characters has _exploded_ "in the current times". It's insincere to claim "X *is* more popular than Y" based on how things were several decades ago. If you include the fans that the movies have brought in, the relative popularity of the characters we haven't really seen recently _must_ have gone down. You can't convince me the Fantastic 4 is more popular than Spider-Man without some serious data to back that claim up. Don't get me wrong, I like Dr. Doom more than I like Green Goblin, but my likes don't determine what is more popular universally. And Magneto certainly isn't the only villain that has been done justice to. Even Ultron was a lot more interesting character in the MCU than in the comics.
@@TheRawrnstuff Doom is way more popular than Green Goblin. Doom has had two successful comic series of his own. Doom is who Marvel turns to for a big bad in their major crossover stories. Darth Vader is a rip off of Doom.
It was also because FF comics when Kirby did them were the most cosmic epic stories and this was more low brow(I mean I get it, they didn't want to spend too much money right off the bat)
29:52 In the comics, the reason Doctor Doom where his mask because he has a scar on his face. To block the memory of his failure. Also, it symbolizes that he's closing himself off from humanity! My man Doctor Doom!!!!! 🙏🏽💪
This was pre-MCU and the rights to the Fantastic Four was with 20th Century Fox at the time. Marvel Studios cast Chris Evans later on as Captain America when they started doing their own movies (the current MCU). Either way, Chris did a good job with both roles. Disney has since bought both Marvel and Fox so the rights to the Fantastic Four are back with Marvel/Disney.
Fun fact: *Chris Evans,* first played *Johnny Storm/The Human Torch* in the *2 films* of *FANTASTIC 4 (2005)* & *FANTASTIC 4: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (2007),* before he played *Steve Rogers/Captain America* in the *1st film* of *CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER (2011).*
This film is very much a modernized take on the F4 origin story but still does an okay job at translating it into the 2000s. Beginning with Fantastic Four #1 (1961) the F4 launched into Space during an experimental space flight for the government. At the last minute the government cancelled the flight so Reed, pilot Ben Grimm, along with Susan Storm, and her brother, Johnny Storm sneaked into the launch site at night and blasted off into space. in space they were exposed to cosmic rays, which gave them super human powers and abilities, crash landing back on earth where they discovered their new powers. Very much themed around space travel and the Space Race of the 1960s. They become public figures as one of the few hero teams who's real identify are known to the public. For the film they changed it to a Space Station owned by Doom with the overall origin very much centred around Victor Von Doom unlike the comics. Doom himself is heavily altered for this movie depicting him as a CEO of a major organization who's who gained the power to absorb and manipulate electricity. in the comics Doom and Reed were rivals in college. He was disfigured at the hands of his own machine, though the disfigure was very minor but to Doom it made him "imperfect". He returned to his home country of Latveria and became their dictator, crafting an iron man like suit covered by a green robe and a mask that hides his face. His powers come from the suit itself rather than from some kind of inner power caused by an accident. He also ventures into magic as well but most of the time he's more Science based. So Doom was not apart of the accident that gave the F4 their powers in the comics and there's zero reason to really connect him to any of that. I'm super excited for Fantastic Four: Next Steps releasing next year. Looks to fully embrace the 1960s Space Age themes of the F4 so that's super exciting.
Not really his first comic-book creation. lol The FF came out in 1961. Stan had created many comic-book characters by then. He started writing comics and creating characters around 1939. The FF was just the first comic from the new Marvel Comics universe of heroes in 1961(but not the first comic under "Marvel Comics" that was Journey into Mystery #69).
This movie was made before Marvel Movies was a thing. In a time when all those kinds of movies were pretty much stand alone efforts. And there was certainly no planned story arc of any kind from one movie to another.
16:55 Stan Lee isn't just showing up for the sake of a cameo. He's playing an actual character he created during the late 1950s with Dan DeCarlo, who was then incorporated into the Fantastic Four comics during his time working with Jack Kirby in the 1960s. Meet Willie Lumpkin, US Postal worker and the regular mailperson for the FF at the Baxter Building.
Chris Evans was also in a DC comics movie called the Losers. Let's just say before he was the Capt, he was alot of other heroes before 1 finally stuck.
0:10 😮 MARY!! I am shocked! SHOCKED!! I tell you...well not that shocked. So Evans was cast as Captain America after the Marvel movies got rebrand with Iron-Man. Kevin feige worked on the Marvel movies from X-Men to Fantastic Four so he had worked with Evans before & thought that his normal persona was a perfect fit for Captain America.
Editor REALLY should have told Mary to finish the Blade movies especially Blade Trinity starring Ryan Reynolds. I liked Chris Evans so much in this role it took me until The Winter Soldier to buy him as cap. 💯❤
The Fantastic 4 is the first marvel family that Stan Lee ever made along with Spiderman joining once or twice. Chris as Johnny is my fav & Dr Doom owns a whole country in the comics & other iterations he has diplomatic immunity
@@Narutoanime16g I think that was Peter's choice because he didn't have his mask on hand. But still a top Spidey FF moment 👍 Reed is also the one who helped diagnose the sonic weakness of the symbiote suits with Peter. I don't know if that's going to be part of Secret War, but I'm hoping 🤞
@@Narutoanime16g This was during his Spider-man's Identity Crisis story arc. The storyline where Spider-Man was formed for the murder of a small-time crook and thus had to go into hiding. But people wanted to still fight crime so he creates four other costumes with different crime-fighting personae in order to stay under the radar. Why not just create a single new costume? Well it would be too suspicious if a single hero appeared just after the disappearance of Spider-Man so Peter created the illusion that a whole team of hero's appeared who in reality was just Peter Parker. I'm pretty sure Peter went to the F4 right away during the start of this story but couldn't wear his Spier-Man as he was wanted. So they gave him a F4 suit but had no masks to give as they don't hide their identities. So Peter grabbed a bag and used it as a mask.
I loved this comic when I was a kid! I thought that the casting was epic, too! Chris Evans totally knocked it out of the park as Johnny Storm! The best scene for me was when Johnny comes out of the MX show and has a dude-where's-my-car moment, followed by his former Porsche rolling in like a very large crumpled ball of aluminum foil, curtesy of the Thing! I loved this movie, and I can't wait til they do an MCU Fantastic 4 movie!
In the comics Susan Storm the Invisible Woman is a blonde. Every iteration so far in the movies has also been a blonde. Roger Corman's Fantastic Four (1994) - Rebecca Staab, Jessica Alba in Fantastic Four (2005) and Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) and Kate Mara in Josh Trank's Fantastic Four (2015). Plus Vanessa Kirby in Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025) 😂 In the U.S. Jiffy Pop is a pan of popcorn kernels that you heat over a stove causing the kernels to pop. 😂 Doctor Doom's most distinctive feature is his iron mask which he uses to hide his disfigured face. 😮
I was so praying they would keep her blonde in the 2025 remake. I'm still upset they got rid of redheaded Mary Jane. Don't get me wrong Zendaya is a talented actress but Mary Jane was always the gorgeous redhead girl next door I grew up reading about in the comics.
do you see the clever foreshadowing in this movie? 1. doom says reed always stretching referring his power which he gets later 2. during spaceship proposal scene doom says 4 little words can change their life immediately he said 'the clouds are approaching' which are four words and it literally changed their lives
This is the second film adaptation of the Fantastic Four. The first one was never released, but bootleg copies can be found of the film on the Internet.
"How do they stick onto the board like that" lmao F4 is often forgotten, a hidden gem. These early Marvel movies have something unique in their style and presentation, or maybe its just the early 2000s feel.
He actually did better against the F4 in this movie than the comics. And this is the best Dr. Doom in any of the live action versions(yes Im including the RDJ version).
This movie was definitely an interesting adaptation of Marvel’s first superhero family. And it would have been the best superhero movie of the year… if Batman Begins didn’t premiere around the same summer. Whoopsies! 😅
Ben turned into an orange rock monster who has no ears, only four fingers on each hand, same count as his toes but still had normal teeth and its weird that he doesnt have a belly button?? 😂
I loved your reaction to the snowboarding scene. I love snowboarding and the song that was playing was Noots by Sum 41, one of my favorite bands. So that scene was like all of my favorite things packed into one awesome scene.
Fans take issue with how Dr. Doom is inaccurately portrayed here. He’s actually a dictator of a fictional country called Latvaria, he excels in many talents, especially science & magic arts. He wasn’t on the space station with the Four, he has his own origin from being born to gypsies and rising to become ruler of his country, but still has a rivalry with Reed Richards. Doom accidentally damaged his face because he put his metal mask on while it was still hot. Doom genuinely believes he can save all the world’s problems if he’s the one ruling all of it, but his ego and perfectionist keep getting in the way. Another of his goals is also to rescue his gypsie mother from hell.
I hope Marvel can adapt this in the future AND find a good Romani actor to play him, but it doesn’t look like that’s happening for a while now, if ever. 😔
Fox had the rights to this with X-Men. So when marvel started the cinematic universe, they couldn't do anything with these characters. Two different companies overall at the time. Now Disney owns both, they are under same house again.
This Fantastic Four movie is one of a kind, no one can beat this movie but word has it that Marvel is planning to introduce the Fantastic Four into the MCU.
No one can beat this movie? Shit, even back in the day people were meh on this and the sequel. The cast itself was fine (tho Jessica Alba was the weak link), but they movies and stories around them were pretty wack.
8:26 you are clamped down to the board; they glanced over the point in the helicopter where they clamped everything down before they jumped. FYI: they jump from the helicopter to keep the snow undisturbed, as landing on the snow would take a BUNCH of clearing out the snow so the helicopter won’t get stuck.
Rapidly cooling hot metal will cause a thing called tempering. The metal molecules will take a crystalline structure, making it hard and rigged but also brittle in most cases. So Doom isn't dead but he is "frozen" as heis body is now un able to flex and bend.
It is important to see all the legacy Marvel movies since Phase 4- Phase 6 is the multiverse and includes all Marvel movies in one way or another. Your editor is just getting you ready for Phase 5 of Marvel MCU.
The real life explanation is, this movie came out long before the MCU was a thing, just like the first X-Men and Spider-Man movies did. The MCU officially started with Iron-man and all the movies that followed in that series of films.
Mary, it's NOT the same Universe... the Fox movies are one universe, the Sony movies outside the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies is another universe... and then the MCU is a third universe.... yes, they are all based on Marvel Comics that all share the same universe but because the characters were sold off to other movie companies, in the movies they are different universes... in fact the Sony movies are multiple universes, with the Tobey movies being separate then the Andrew movies, and the Venom movies are also a separate universe from all the other ones
Fun fact, the fantastic fours powers are based on their personallities. Mr. Fantastic always reaching for the stars, invisible girl is shy, the thing always putting up a hard shell t defend him.self, and human torch is always a hot head.
Mary, this was my first marvel movie to see Stan lee !!! I'm happy you finally watch it with you can see him again after seeing his cameos from other marvel movies.
If you ever watch Titanic, or have watched it, you'll recognize the actor who played Reed Richard's aka Mr. Fantastic. He was one of the officers aboard the ship.
The Fantastic 4 is a Marvel production, but the MCU wasn't a thing at the time. They were just busy making a movie on it's own merit, not trying to make a whole universe. And believe me, I was skeptical when they cast Chris Evans as Captain America after he was Human Torch, but he surprised me. One thing people didn't like was the portrayal of Dr. Doom, which is his Supervillain name. Dr. Doom is the RULER of the fictional European country, Latveria, and he commands science AND magic as is superpowers. He attended college with Reed but an accident caused his face to get burned and he resented Reed ever since, swearing to always prove himself better than Reed. Dr. Doom was Darth Vader before Darth Vader even existed.
Robert Downey Jr was recently confirmed to be cast as Doctor Doom in the MCU. He joins Chris Evans among others in playing multiple Marvel roles, MCU or not.
@GrimmEnt. Nah, he's confirmed Victor von doom. If anything, he's a dr doom variant, after all he was one the audition actors for dr doom for this movie
@@anthonylopez8682 So he's playing Victor Von Doom with no explanation for why he looks like Tony Stark? That's dumbest idea ever. That's why I'm not a Marvel fan they do stupid sh** like that in the comics.
That’s the beauty about series, films, etc. Even before they start talking about the multiverse. That’s how I treated every show I watch / read unless it’s confirmed the same universe. 😊 Also same actors can act multiple roles in the same series / franchise. Star Trek is a big example. 🙇🏻♂️
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Don't reed too far into it
This is not a good representation of doctor doom. Doctor doom is one of the best characters that has not had a good representation on screen.
Think of a cross between doctor strange, Ironman, and Thanos.
This is the reason people did not like this movie. The mask is iconic and should be his face pretty much all the time. Doom should have a much greater presence and almost be the protagonist.
Please watch Marvel's Ghost rider movie.
Since I'm 5 hours behind, other people may have commented on this but this film was not part of the MCU the same way the Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies weren't. The rights were owned by a different company so it's a stand-alone film. After the introduction of the Multiverse, this can now be considered just another universe.
Watch Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer movie.
He's a perfect Johnny Storm and a perfect Captain America.
That is very true.
Acting!
He's a perfect Cap. His Johnny Storm is too old and too goofy.
@@redrick8900Cap🧢
His Johnny is perfect. Exactly like he is in the comics. His Cap to me always felt like someone young playing dress up with grown up clothes. Like he is cosplaying as Cap. Cap in the comics is more manly.
Mary: What's with Ben, what's his thing?
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@9:17 So true =D Life is funny.
Fun Fact: They are Marvel's First Family & Stan Lee's favorite supervillian is Doctor Doom.
not even a huge fan of the 4, but Doom is easily my fav too. So badass
Fantastic Four predate the Avengers, they were Marvel's first Family AND its first superteam, technically.
Mikael Chiklis is his favourite Marvel casting.
Yea he's great in comics, i don't care for him in this movie.
@@milkypeanutsonafridayDoom couldn’t exist without the 4. His hatred for Reed is what defines him.
In my opinion, Ioan Gruffudd was PERFECTLY cast as Reed Richards.
Well supossedly Krasinski was even tho he said 10 lines of dialogue lol
I think the man has zero presence. He's just a geek, and never comes off as super-smart. Which Reed is supposed to be. Maybe it's just the writing.
Michael Chicklus is the best part of the movie for me. He wanted to play Ben Grimm ever since he was a child. I thought he was great. Very comic accurate. The step father, Elisha, mentions is the villain known as the Puppet Master. He is a sculptor that can control people with the little statues he makes.
@MaryCherryOfficial Because you wondered about where this is in the MCU; you have to realize that when this film came out in 2005, there was no MCU. Marvel had their comic book properties split between several film studios.
- 20th Century Fox had X-Men, Daredevil, and Fantastic Four
- Universal had The Incredible Hulk; in large part because they obtained the rights back in the 70’s to make The Incredible Hulk TV Series with Bill Bixby & Lou Ferrigno.
- Columbia Pictures had Spider-Man
- New Line Cinema had Blade
It wasn’t until 2007, when Marvel; under Kevin Fiege had the idea of building “a universe” where each story intersects and connects with each other.
The rest is history.
Exactly 👍
@@Deedric_KeeNo.
Feige was a producer on most of those pre-MCU Marvel films you mentioned above
@@bystandah9626 Feige was an associate & executive producer on the Spider-Man sequels: Spider-Man 2 (2004) and Spider-Man 3 (2007). Avi Arad was the main producer on most of these films, except on the X-Men films; they were produced by Lauren Shuler-Donner; wife of Richard Donner (Superman, Lethal Weapon), and Ralph Winter (Star Trek III-VI).
@@RetrofanFilms I said "a" producer, not "the" producer. You also forgot the typical neckbeard "ackshually" in your reply, too.
I still think most of the casting for this movie was spot-on.
The Four themselves are fine, especially Michael Chiklis who was perfect as Ben. Doom, on the ohter hand... not so much.
@@dvass7253 his outfit looks pretty fly. The writing for his character may not be correct but I feel like everything else was pretty damn good
@@dvass7253 I think Julian McMahon still could have pulled it off if the role had been written as more accurate to the comics.
@@dvass7253 He doesn't look like Grimm at all. He's supposed to be a good looking man in great shape. Chiklis turning into the Thing is a lateral move.
Julian was a perfect Doom.
This team was the inspiration for Disney’s The Incredibles, being a family of heroes having most of the same powers.
This film came after THE INCREDIBLES actually.
@@axr7149 But the team and characters have been around since the 1960s in comic format, as in the source material this film is based on.
A classic Gamer/Comic Book Culture comedy comic strip Dork Tower has the main character Matt have to be restrained by his buddies from giving little kids a pop culture history lecture every time he hears them say:
"FANTASTIC FOUR ARE A RIP OFF OF THE INCREDIBLES!"
@ghostspider2056 That's what i thought when i saw the INCREDIBLES , Fantastic Four did of course come before that as it was MARVEL's first superhero family , i jumping ahead of myself a bit since i missed the first part of the premiere i'll go back finish it later and post another comment
i really enjoy Mary's reactions
CHEERS .
People didn't like it because the plot wasn't that strong. These movies are based on books/comics, and people don't like it when things are taken so far that they are not as recognizable as the source material or a good plot. The mcu with Captain America was in disney ownership. These marvel characters, along with a few, are fox. That's what separated the characters, such as the torch and captain America. Disney bought them out and made him captain America instead. Remember, people have been paying thousands and supporting characters before the 60s. Passing on the love of the content.
Fox hired him to play Torch / Johnny and then Marvel hired him to play Captain America. They were 2 different companies who simply had film rights for the respective properties.
I heard that Chris Evans wasn't going to take the role of Steve Rogers/Captain America but it was RDJ that called him and persuaded him to.
@@c.j.2192 He turned it down several times before he finally accepted...
Wait til she watches Green Lantern
She's gonna be so shocked to know who just got casted as MCU's Dr. Doom and Reed Richards
👀
Soon.
I think everyone knows already. Lol
I believe Mary knows of the actors for Doom and Reed.
@@MorrisB3 Everyone knows but not her (probably)
It’s the multiverse, the same way Peter Parker can look different in 3 different universes, multiple characters throughout the multiverse can look like chris evans
Or Josh Brolin. Or soon to be RDJ.
Or Ryan Reynolds like Deadpool or Hannibal King XD
I mean she already saw Jim from the Office as Mr. Fantastic in Multiverse of Madness
Before multiverse, they existed different studios.
I remember the outcry when Chris Evans was cast as Captain America, specifically because of this role. They saw him as Johnny and felt he would be absolutely wrong and awful as Cap. Turned out actors can... act differently.
It's more than just acting different bro he had to put on major weight. Plus his face in general aged more than the early 2000s
SpongeBob's voice- "They're actors" 😂
@@sensaiuriah5440 His weight and age were never an issue. When he was cast as Cap back in the day, everyone was just complaining that he had already played Johnny Storm, and played him very well. And in general up to that point, Chris Evans had portrayed characters that were all kinda brash and douchey; very much not a Steve Rogers.
I never could accept him as Cap. He did well but I always felt he was too boyish for the role. Cap in the comics is very much a man's man. And he is physically much bigger than Chris Evans.
I was unfortunately one of the sceptics. Boy did I eat my words tho, Chris was the perfect Cap.
Fun fact: Johnny isn’t the first Human Torch, the original was an android of the same name and powers during WW2 who worked alongside Captain America and other superheroes. One of the later heroes was also Toro, another hero with the same fire abilities as both Human Torches, his father also worked for the creator of the aforementioned android.
The android Torch was seen on display in the 40s Stark Expo in Captain America: The First Avenger.
The original human torch is on display at the stark expo in captain america as an easter egg
The og human torch was displayed in Cap Merica
Jim Hammond = OG Human Torch 😂
And Nova who has fire Powers too and was involved with Jhonny was retcon as the daughter of that scientist
36:21 I understand what you were saying and respect your opinion, but they did change the name of invisible girl to invisible woman in the comics, but The names of the Fantastic Four, like Mr.Fantastic, Human Torch, and the Thing, might seem cheesy or outdated to modern audiences. However, these names were chosen by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the 1960s, a time when comic books were more lighthearted and focused on sci-fi and adventure.
The names reflect the characters' powers and personalities:
• Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards) is a nod to his incredible stretching abilities and his leadership role.
• Human Torch (Johnny Storm) references his ability to generate flames from his body.
• The Thing (Ben Grimm) is a self-deprecating name, as he struggles with his new, rock-like appearance.
These names have become iconic and are deeply rooted in comic book history. They might not be as edgy or modern as some superhero names today, but they evoke a sense of nostalgia and classic heroism. the names into context and show that they were chosen to reflect the characters' powers and personalities, even if they might seem old-fashioned now.
Technically, this isn't a "modern" audience, it's a "digital" audience. The Modern Age ended when the internet took over and then it became the Digital Age. The names of the Fantastic 4 characters came out in the Modern Age so it's considered outdated by Digital Audiences. 😉😉
"Four little words that could change our lives forever..." "THE CLOUD IS ACCELORATING!"
I've always loved that line.
First: Chris Evans as the Human Torch. Second: Chris Evans as Captain America.
Chris Evans nailed his role as Johnny. I never knew he was Human Torch till after I was introduced to him as old fashioned boy scout Captain America, so seeing him act like a mischievous punk was an experience for me
Chris played the obnoxious pretty boy prankster really well. He's so funny in his early roles.
I grew up only knowing him as that Cool Kid from Fantastic Four who wanted all the spotlight from the rest of his family 😂 I was unsure of him as Cap, but now I love Captain America because of Chris Evans. Total Opposite of your Experience bro haha
I always thought he was a better Johnny. Because it's closer to his real personality in real life.
I always thought he was better ad Johnny Storm than Steve Rogers
Had no clue they were the same person. All white folk look alike.
4:15 I understand the confusion. This was years before Chris Evans played the role of Captain America. Also, this movie isn't set in the MCU. This is just a Marvel movie. The MCU didn't start until 2008 with the first Iron Man film. Hope this makes sense! 🙏🏽💪
This movie is not set in the MCU, it's just a Marvel movie
Yes but its Canon now..set in a different Universe, like Deadpool and X-Men and same as the future reboot Fantastic Four. so technically it is
@@garydodd2837if it wasn’t made by Marvel Studios then it isn’t an MCU movie. Sure they can take from it but it doesn’t mean it’s from the MCU
Well... it WAS not set in the MCU. That the main problem with the multiverse: you can never say.
@@Genemon123 It's apart of the MCM. Marvel Cinematic Multiverse
@@garydodd2837uhhh...Spoilers. 🤣🤷♂️
This is the best casting for this team. They did a great job casting
Chris Evans played 4 comic book characters, Steve Rogers (Captain America) and Johnny Storm (Human Torch) from Marvel, Jensen from the DC Comic The Losers, and Lucas Lee in Scott Pilgrim vs the World.
Sarah Halley Finn casting director cast most if not all of the modern MCU ( Ironman onwards) this movie was years before Iron Man.
I flinch every time she says this movie is in the MCU.
Well… MCU, MCM … potaeto potaato :)
One reason for this movie to be criticised was for the portrayal of Dr Doom. It's not the actor's fault, it's because it was not at all comic accurate. Dr Doom along with Magneto are the most popular and fan favourite supervillains in Marvel Comics. Only Magneto got justice in film media.
Not sure if Doom is more popular than Green Goblin, especially after Dafoe's portrayal of the latter 22 years ago.
@@TheRawrnstuff No bro, Green Goblin is super popular especially after his appearance in No Way Home. But that's just happened in the current times. Dr Doom has a huge fan following since his debut in comics regardless of any age. Moreover he is the main character/antagonist of marvel's most popular story line. The Secret Wars. And let's not forget the latest announcement about Dr Doom.
@@Crim50nDynam0 Yeah but that's kinda the point. The popularity of comic book characters has _exploded_ "in the current times". It's insincere to claim "X *is* more popular than Y" based on how things were several decades ago. If you include the fans that the movies have brought in, the relative popularity of the characters we haven't really seen recently _must_ have gone down. You can't convince me the Fantastic 4 is more popular than Spider-Man without some serious data to back that claim up.
Don't get me wrong, I like Dr. Doom more than I like Green Goblin, but my likes don't determine what is more popular universally. And Magneto certainly isn't the only villain that has been done justice to. Even Ultron was a lot more interesting character in the MCU than in the comics.
@@TheRawrnstuff Doom is way more popular than Green Goblin. Doom has had two successful comic series of his own. Doom is who Marvel turns to for a big bad in their major crossover stories.
Darth Vader is a rip off of Doom.
It was also because FF comics when Kirby did them were the most cosmic epic stories and this was more low brow(I mean I get it, they didn't want to spend too much money right off the bat)
29:52 In the comics, the reason Doctor Doom where his mask because he has a scar on his face. To block the memory of his failure. Also, it symbolizes that he's closing himself off from humanity! My man Doctor Doom!!!!! 🙏🏽💪
Combined with a Samurai masked helmet = Darth Vader.
I always enjoyed this movie, the internet says that it is awful, but I disagree, it’s pretty cool.
This was pre-MCU and the rights to the Fantastic Four was with 20th Century Fox at the time. Marvel Studios cast Chris Evans later on as Captain America when they started doing their own movies (the current MCU). Either way, Chris did a good job with both roles. Disney has since bought both Marvel and Fox so the rights to the Fantastic Four are back with Marvel/Disney.
4:35 Listening to Mary trying to crack her little case, I was thinking: "Multiverse" 😂
16:23 "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED?!"
You mentioned possibly watching the '03 Daredevil movie next. If possible, try to watch its Director's Cut. Much better than the original imo.
Fun fact: *Chris Evans,* first played *Johnny Storm/The Human Torch* in the *2 films* of *FANTASTIC 4 (2005)* & *FANTASTIC 4: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (2007),* before he played *Steve Rogers/Captain America* in the *1st film* of *CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER (2011).*
He's also not the only actor who played two Marvel characters. Ray Stevenson, for instance, played The Punisher as well as Volstagg in Thor.
Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool and he was too Hannibal King in blade trinity
Evans was Johnny Storm before he was Steve Rogers
This film is very much a modernized take on the F4 origin story but still does an okay job at translating it into the 2000s. Beginning with Fantastic Four #1 (1961) the F4 launched into Space during an experimental space flight for the government. At the last minute the government cancelled the flight so Reed, pilot Ben Grimm, along with Susan Storm, and her brother, Johnny Storm sneaked into the launch site at night and blasted off into space. in space they were exposed to cosmic rays, which gave them super human powers and abilities, crash landing back on earth where they discovered their new powers. Very much themed around space travel and the Space Race of the 1960s. They become public figures as one of the few hero teams who's real identify are known to the public.
For the film they changed it to a Space Station owned by Doom with the overall origin very much centred around Victor Von Doom unlike the comics. Doom himself is heavily altered for this movie depicting him as a CEO of a major organization who's who gained the power to absorb and manipulate electricity. in the comics Doom and Reed were rivals in college. He was disfigured at the hands of his own machine, though the disfigure was very minor but to Doom it made him "imperfect". He returned to his home country of Latveria and became their dictator, crafting an iron man like suit covered by a green robe and a mask that hides his face. His powers come from the suit itself rather than from some kind of inner power caused by an accident. He also ventures into magic as well but most of the time he's more Science based.
So Doom was not apart of the accident that gave the F4 their powers in the comics and there's zero reason to really connect him to any of that. I'm super excited for Fantastic Four: Next Steps releasing next year. Looks to fully embrace the 1960s Space Age themes of the F4 so that's super exciting.
Ok, here's my wishlist for your reactions after the F4 and it's sequel:
- Blade trilogy
- Daredevil (Director's Cut)
- Hulk (2003)
- Elektra
The Punisher and Ghost Rider too
Fun - fact: The FANTASTIC FOUR was Stan Lee's first comic book creation.
Not really his first comic-book creation. lol The FF came out in 1961. Stan had created many comic-book characters by then. He started writing comics and creating characters around 1939. The FF was just the first comic from the new Marvel Comics universe of heroes in 1961(but not the first comic under "Marvel Comics" that was Journey into Mystery #69).
Can't wait for the sequel
This movie was made before Marvel Movies was a thing. In a time when all those kinds of movies were pretty much stand alone efforts. And there was certainly no planned story arc of any kind from one movie to another.
16:55 Stan Lee isn't just showing up for the sake of a cameo. He's playing an actual character he created during the late 1950s with Dan DeCarlo, who was then incorporated into the Fantastic Four comics during his time working with Jack Kirby in the 1960s. Meet Willie Lumpkin, US Postal worker and the regular mailperson for the FF at the Baxter Building.
Chris Evans was also in a DC comics movie called the Losers. Let's just say before he was the Capt, he was alot of other heroes before 1 finally stuck.
Chris Evans has made several comic book movies, Fantastic 4, Captain America, Losers and Snowpiercer.
@@rafaelalodio5116 And he voiced Casey Jones in the animated TMNT 2007 film.
And Lucas Lee in Scott Pilgrim vs the World
@@shanecampbell7423 Oh yeah, I knew I was forgetting one
Just because it's Marvel, does not mean it's the MCU or the same universe... great reaction Mary!
0:10 😮 MARY!! I am shocked! SHOCKED!! I tell you...well not that shocked.
So Evans was cast as Captain America after the Marvel movies got rebrand with Iron-Man. Kevin feige worked on the Marvel movies from X-Men to Fantastic Four so he had worked with Evans before & thought that his normal persona was a perfect fit for Captain America.
Editor REALLY should have told Mary to finish the Blade movies especially Blade Trinity starring Ryan Reynolds. I liked Chris Evans so much in this role it took me until The Winter Soldier to buy him as cap. 💯❤
RR being ridiculous in Blade 3 is one of the few redeeming factors (Parker Posey being another 😉)
Maybe they did 🤷🏽♀️
@@LordVolkov I love all the Blade movies. Lol
@@MaryCherryOfficial Cool. Well then we're excited for that vid. 👏
Blade 3 is...um...different in tone, but it's still a fun movie. Some of the casting is bizarre and just adds to the charm.
Mr. fantastic, invisible woman, the human torch and the thing are their actual names and this movie is actually pretty comic accurate.
also Mary the thing and hulk actually fought hands and are friends .
16:31 For future reference, that's called a dolly zoom.
The Fantastic 4 is the first marvel family that Stan Lee ever made along with Spiderman joining once or twice. Chris as Johnny is my fav & Dr Doom owns a whole country in the comics & other iterations he has diplomatic immunity
Spiderman showing up in a FF suit with his spidermask on is still always funny to me.
@@LordVolkovthey also had him wear a bag as a mask one time right ?😂
@@Narutoanime16g I think that was Peter's choice because he didn't have his mask on hand. But still a top Spidey FF moment 👍
Reed is also the one who helped diagnose the sonic weakness of the symbiote suits with Peter. I don't know if that's going to be part of Secret War, but I'm hoping 🤞
@@Narutoanime16g This was during his Spider-man's Identity Crisis story arc. The storyline where Spider-Man was formed for the murder of a small-time crook and thus had to go into hiding. But people wanted to still fight crime so he creates four other costumes with different crime-fighting personae in order to stay under the radar. Why not just create a single new costume? Well it would be too suspicious if a single hero appeared just after the disappearance of Spider-Man so Peter created the illusion that a whole team of hero's appeared who in reality was just Peter Parker.
I'm pretty sure Peter went to the F4 right away during the start of this story but couldn't wear his Spier-Man as he was wanted. So they gave him a F4 suit but had no masks to give as they don't hide their identities. So Peter grabbed a bag and used it as a mask.
I loved this comic when I was a kid! I thought that the casting was epic, too! Chris Evans totally knocked it out of the park as Johnny Storm! The best scene for me was when Johnny comes out of the MX show and has a dude-where's-my-car moment, followed by his former Porsche rolling in like a very large crumpled ball of aluminum foil, curtesy of the Thing! I loved this movie, and I can't wait til they do an MCU Fantastic 4 movie!
"Is she wearing pants with a skirt? I'm gonna give her a pass because she's blind." 🤣🤣🤣
😂
In the comics Susan Storm the Invisible Woman is a blonde. Every iteration so far in the movies has also been a blonde. Roger Corman's Fantastic Four (1994) - Rebecca Staab, Jessica Alba in Fantastic Four (2005) and Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) and Kate Mara in Josh Trank's Fantastic Four (2015). Plus Vanessa Kirby in Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025) 😂
In the U.S. Jiffy Pop is a pan of popcorn kernels that you heat over a stove causing the kernels to pop. 😂
Doctor Doom's most distinctive feature is his iron mask which he uses to hide his disfigured face. 😮
I was so praying they would keep her blonde in the 2025 remake. I'm still upset they got rid of redheaded Mary Jane. Don't get me wrong Zendaya is a talented actress but Mary Jane was always the gorgeous redhead girl next door I grew up reading about in the comics.
Jess Alba looked great in this; this was better than the newer version.
Now we just have to wait for the MCU version next year
do you see the clever foreshadowing in this movie?
1. doom says reed always stretching referring his power which he gets later
2. during spaceship proposal scene doom says 4 little words can change their life immediately he said 'the clouds are approaching' which are four words and it literally changed their lives
This is the second film adaptation of the Fantastic Four. The first one was never released, but bootleg copies can be found of the film on the Internet.
"Thank you. So are you!" Still one of the best lines Chris Evans has ever said! Lolol
I really enjoyed Chris Evans’ earlier work. Not Another Teen Movie and The Losers are a few of my favorites that he was in, as well.
No one ever talks about _The Losers!_ That movie had a good cast and lots of fun mayhem, I hope someone will do a reaction someday.
He was great in Sunshine, with Cillian Murphy, Michelle Yeoh, Benedict Wong and Hiroyuki Sanada. Fantastic cast.
@@Johnny_SockoGamora, Heimdal and Negan.
"How do they stick onto the board like that" lmao
F4 is often forgotten, a hidden gem. These early Marvel movies have something unique in their style and presentation, or maybe its just the early 2000s feel.
Do you know what Green Goblin and Doctor Doom have in common?
You can't do this to me, I started this company, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICE!
That is not how Doctor Doom is supposed to be.
Yea that sucked. This was the prototype of every villains back then. Just like Edward Nigma and Killion.
@@benjaminguzman8645He kinda was during his university days.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095And Max Dillon/Electro
As others have probably mentioned, this film was before the MCU. The MCU didn't begin until "Iron Man."
Its not explained in the movies but in the comics Reed has autism amd thats why he has problems expressing himself to Sue.
So this movie came out LONG before the MCU was a thing, when Marvel movies existed in separate universes.
Victor von Doom was done dirty in these movies. The comics show his true potential an power
The second movie was good Doom.
He actually did better against the F4 in this movie than the comics. And this is the best Dr. Doom in any of the live action versions(yes Im including the RDJ version).
@@TheMasterofDisaster48 He beats the FF in the comics often.
You look ridiculous saying this Doom is better than one that doesn't exist yet.
This is my first time realizing the connection between the lines, “Four little words that’ll change our lives forever” -“The Cloud is Accelerating!”
This movie was definitely an interesting adaptation of Marvel’s first superhero family. And it would have been the best superhero movie of the year… if Batman Begins didn’t premiere around the same summer. Whoopsies! 😅
Ben turned into an orange rock monster who has no ears, only four fingers on each hand, same count as his toes but still had normal teeth and its weird that he doesnt have a belly button?? 😂
I loved your reaction to the snowboarding scene. I love snowboarding and the song that was playing was Noots by Sum 41, one of my favorite bands. So that scene was like all of my favorite things packed into one awesome scene.
Fans take issue with how Dr. Doom is inaccurately portrayed here. He’s actually a dictator of a fictional country called Latvaria, he excels in many talents, especially science & magic arts.
He wasn’t on the space station with the Four, he has his own origin from being born to gypsies and rising to become ruler of his country, but still has a rivalry with Reed Richards. Doom accidentally damaged his face because he put his metal mask on while it was still hot.
Doom genuinely believes he can save all the world’s problems if he’s the one ruling all of it, but his ego and perfectionist keep getting in the way. Another of his goals is also to rescue his gypsie mother from hell.
🤣🤣🤣 Doom's vanity shall not be matched! 💪
I hope Marvel can adapt this in the future AND find a good Romani actor to play him, but it doesn’t look like that’s happening for a while now, if ever. 😔
Even Stan Lee himself agreed this Doom was the worst casting and inaccurately portrayed.
I really like this Doom,
And also looks like Tony Stark
Michael B Jordan also starred in a Fox Marvel movie before being recast in the MCU.
the villain's name is dr. doom and the answer is simple: multiverse. In one universe he is a human torch and in another he is Captain America.
Just like Ryan Reynolds is two different versions of Deadpool and the Green Lantern...
My thought precisely… ”just wait till you see who portrays Doom in the MCU and that will give you something worth scratching your head for” :D
I will always love this version and the cast it had 😊
Fox had the rights to this with X-Men. So when marvel started the cinematic universe, they couldn't do anything with these characters. Two different companies overall at the time. Now Disney owns both, they are under same house again.
At this point it’s not the MCU it’s the MCM - Marvel Cinematic Multiverse.
If she's this shocked about Captain America, wait til she finds out about KIllmonger 😎
I don't think she watched Fan4Stick
Another amazing reaction Mary ❤❤😁😁.
unpopular opinion, I always liked Chris Evans more as the Human Torch than as Captain America
Same
I love this movie as a child and i dont see why people hate it. But i havent seen it now when im already an adult. 4
This Fantastic Four movie is one of a kind, no one can beat this movie but word has it that Marvel is planning to introduce the Fantastic Four into the MCU.
Technically they already have, with Dr Strange 2
No one can beat this movie? Shit, even back in the day people were meh on this and the sequel. The cast itself was fine (tho Jessica Alba was the weak link), but they movies and stories around them were pretty wack.
8:26 you are clamped down to the board; they glanced over the point in the helicopter where they clamped everything down before they jumped.
FYI: they jump from the helicopter to keep the snow undisturbed, as landing on the snow would take a BUNCH of clearing out the snow so the helicopter won’t get stuck.
That woman was not Bens wife, she was his fiancé
Rapidly cooling hot metal will cause a thing called tempering. The metal molecules will take a crystalline structure, making it hard and rigged but also brittle in most cases. So Doom isn't dead but he is "frozen" as heis body is now un able to flex and bend.
So cool!
This is before mcu
It is important to see all the legacy Marvel movies since Phase 4- Phase 6 is the multiverse and includes all Marvel movies in one way or another. Your editor is just getting you ready for Phase 5 of Marvel MCU.
16:52 THE LEGEND STAN LEE❤😢❤😢❤😢❤😢❤😢
@@chandlermorgan708
It’s so sad, that he died, since *2018.*
16:32 What you described is called the dolly zoom technique.
It's not really an MCU movie, more a pre-MCU Marvel movie.
The real life explanation is, this movie came out long before the MCU was a thing, just like the first X-Men and Spider-Man movies did. The MCU officially started with Iron-man and all the movies that followed in that series of films.
Mary, it's NOT the same Universe... the Fox movies are one universe, the Sony movies outside the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies is another universe... and then the MCU is a third universe.... yes, they are all based on Marvel Comics that all share the same universe but because the characters were sold off to other movie companies, in the movies they are different universes... in fact the Sony movies are multiple universes, with the Tobey movies being separate then the Andrew movies, and the Venom movies are also a separate universe from all the other ones
Anyone else love the sequel, Rise Of The Silver Surfer? I rewatch that as a comfort movie often? 😎
Fun fact, the fantastic fours powers are based on their personallities. Mr. Fantastic always reaching for the stars, invisible girl is shy, the thing always putting up a hard shell t defend him.self, and human torch is always a hot head.
Also the four powers represent the four elements: Reed is water, Sue is air, and the other two are obvious.
Mary, this was my first marvel movie to see Stan lee !!! I'm happy you finally watch it with you can see him again after seeing his cameos from other marvel movies.
Check out the sequel to this fantastic 4 movie !
If you ever watch Titanic, or have watched it, you'll recognize the actor who played Reed Richard's aka Mr. Fantastic. He was one of the officers aboard the ship.
The MCU did not exist when this was made. This is not an MCU movie
The Fantastic 4 is a Marvel production, but the MCU wasn't a thing at the time. They were just busy making a movie on it's own merit, not trying to make a whole universe. And believe me, I was skeptical when they cast Chris Evans as Captain America after he was Human Torch, but he surprised me. One thing people didn't like was the portrayal of Dr. Doom, which is his Supervillain name. Dr. Doom is the RULER of the fictional European country, Latveria, and he commands science AND magic as is superpowers. He attended college with Reed but an accident caused his face to get burned and he resented Reed ever since, swearing to always prove himself better than Reed. Dr. Doom was Darth Vader before Darth Vader even existed.
Robert Downey Jr was recently confirmed to be cast as Doctor Doom in the MCU. He joins Chris Evans among others in playing multiple Marvel roles, MCU or not.
He's still playing Tony Stark. He's just from an alternate universe were Tony became Doctor Doom.
@GrimmEnt. Nah, he's confirmed Victor von doom. If anything, he's a dr doom variant, after all he was one the audition actors for dr doom for this movie
@@anthonylopez8682 So he's playing Victor Von Doom with no explanation for why he looks like Tony Stark? That's dumbest idea ever. That's why I'm not a Marvel fan they do stupid sh** like that in the comics.
Stop spoiling let her find out later
@@sensaiuriah5440 There was actually an official reveal of it at Comic Con though.
3:50 This was like the early stage of the soon to be Captain America, like he literally says “Captain on the Bridge” as a playful tease to Ben 😅
When this movie came out the MCU wasn't a thing yet.
I've always loved these Fantastic Four movies 💙
If you're going to watch Daredevil, try to watch the director's cut! That's the version that's an actual movie!!!
Both are good. But yeah the DC is better.
That’s the beauty about series, films, etc.
Even before they start talking about the multiverse. That’s how I treated every show I watch / read unless it’s confirmed the same universe. 😊
Also same actors can act multiple roles in the same series / franchise. Star Trek is a big example. 🙇🏻♂️
The names were created by Stan Lee.
:-)
Respectfully, I thought they could have been better. Still love you Stan Lee
@@MaryCherryOfficial Yeah. 60% of the thousands of names Stan made up were goofy. The rest are legendary. :-)