Interesting Experiment. Thank you for the information. I don't know this suggestion is useful but my guess is that the rot issue with your moss propagation had to do with placing it inside a glass mason jar which suffocated the stems. This created a bog like condition without oxygen rather than a fast draining soil and epiphyte barky condition which is the mican's natural habitat. Moss propagation works pretty fast if placed it in a fast draining container like a terra cotta pot that allows air to circulate. Keep the moss moist and warm but not soggy. Water grown roots will need to adjust to soil when you plant them and sometimes are a bit slower to get going once planted. In other words, you may save a week of time getting the roots to form in water but the plant slows down a week at planting to adapt its root system in soil.
Yeah, not enough air flow. thats true about water roots...will have to try it again. I actually have moved away from using moss and now use mainly coco coir which is really airy and the plants seem to love it!
Always best to use moss inside a container and semi close it for higher humidity , moss should be kept wet but not soggy... just propagated an entire container full of micans no proplems at all but Im gona try some in water now just to see . Great videos btw 🌱🌱
Hi there, I sometimes propagate aroids in sphagmum moss, but then use very well drained pots. The sphagnum must be misted often or dunked in water. But it must not be constantly soaking wet, then the roots start to rot easily. I normally have pretty good results, even though I find it's easier to spot problems in water. Another point, did you sometimes open up the air layered 'packets' to mist them? It's my understanding that you have to do this every few days, to create that mini environment. I want to try this method out soon too.
Hi Conner, Yes, because I didn't go a good job wrapping it definitely dried between watering. I honestly found this method to cumbersome for me especially since you can do it in water easily. Will probably try layering on another plant perhaps.
Excellent thanks for this. I actually did the same experiment and had the exact same results. Water propagation was by far the best and easiest as you can visually see the progress. Funny this popping up in my feed.
I just got a few P. micans cuttings and will try rooting them in very wet pon---starting them almost as a water prop, and then bringing the water line lower and lower until I only have a reservoir in the self-watering pot and the pon is doing its wicking magic. It should work, in theory. Thank you for your thorough propagation video!
The method I described worked well, but not better than cuttings in just water, and I felt I had to watch the cuttings closer and more frequently to make sure they were consistently moist. So, water is overall easier, more efficient, and just as effective than other methods.
Thank you for sharing this info, I just got a P.mican and was wondering how to propagate it, will be donating them to a non profit cultural fair in October so water method it is. Thanks again.
Forgive me if you said it and I missed it, but how long did you wait between the two videos? In other words, how long before I should expect to see roots?
I placed my micans cuttings in soil in the port in which i wanted them to grow, watered and let the water run out, then placed the pot in a zip bag for a good number of weeks, maybe a month. Opened it occasionaly, when remembered, for airation. All the cuttings took.
i placed my philo verrucosum cutting, philo sodiroi cutting, monstera standleyana cutting, rhaphidophora cryptantha cutting, various peperomia cuttings, monstera albo cutting in sphagnum moss for rooting (in a ziplock bag )---all rooted perfectly with no issue within one to two weeks. i guess i was just being lucky.
Thank you for sharing! luck doesn't happen multiple times in a row. this was just one experience. I am also rooted other things with moss. thats just not how this one played out. I personally still don't like rooting with sphag because I don't enjoy removing all the moss from the roots. do you do that? I wonder if you can just leave it on and pot it up.
@@BotanicalWoman no i dont remove the moss from the roots. i pot them up with moss clinging on the roots. semi epiphytes and epiphytes don't mind moss at all. and for terrestrial plants i am using ABG mix for tropical plants. it contains sphagnum as well.
Hi there! I’ve just bought a philodendron melanochrysum cutting and am so confused on what to propagate it in. Water, spag moss? Any advice you can give me would be so appreciated!! Thank you 🙏🙏
Have you tried the perlite method? I am currently trying it with my Micans. It's been a week and a half. I do see the nodes turning green and a tiny root coming out of one. It's under a grow light for now.
yes at the time i didn't but now my choose of medium is anything that is airy so perlite is great and I have grown fond of moss as well. I am going to make a video soon to discuss my favorite propagation mediums.
when propagating, warmth is more important then light, so i don't recommend window sills. you want to trick your plant into thinking its summer and you want to provide them with a consistent environment. I have not experimented with rooting hormone mainly because i am too lazy to use it but i have used it to dry out my PPP cutting which sort of worked. I would say a prop box is the way to go when propagating anything.
Hi I'm new to your channel. Ive just received a P.micans which has roots and a few leaves. It was in water before I got it and I was advised to keep it a bit longer in water, however I noticed the ends of the roots started to turn brown. Ive since put it into coir and kept it slightly moist. But just in case I might take the top leaf with a single node and try and propgate it like you have shown. Thanks for doing this video
Thanks for tips! I have only three mican leaf cuttings. The soil is drying out so fast like after a day of watering. I am afraid of overwatering but also concerned it is dry. How often should I water? Should I do five-day intervals or every other day if the soil is dry so fast like only a day after watering? One of the cuttings seem to have thin, fragile roots than the white healthy ones. It came out of pot easily as soil is loose. Would you recommend I keep it in pot and water it with others or put it in water to develop more roots? I bought this from seller but seems he did not have any specific advice about my question. Thanks
I tried the air layering method with a scindapsus pictus (silver pothos) and got no root growth after a month but I didn’t check/mist the packets and I used the “press n seal” not regular Saran Wrap so I think mine got too dry. I thought (like you) that air layering would be the best method. I’ve always heard that the roots that form in water are not the same as normal roots and that rootings have a hard time making the switch to soil from water. I feel like the sphagnum would be the best method if you can get the moisture just right, especially if the commenter above is correct and you don’t have to remove the moss from the fragile new roots before potting up. I’d be interested to see how the water rooted cuttings matured in soil compared to the moss or air layered ones. I also think putting them in a high humidity environment (like a plastic bag tent over the cuttings or start them inside a partially open Ziplock) helps.
it is true, when propagated in water, the plant develops water roots which is why it is important to transfer it to soil when its about a cm long so that as the roots continue to grow, they will be soil roots. for all the cuttings you see in this video that i rooted, i moved them into dirt and gave all of them away. One of which went to my friend and she plant is doing great. So which that, I feel confident to recommend water propagation! =) I still don't like spag in my growing medium because its holds too much moisture. I prefer having my medium to be consistent throughout but of course there are expectations to the rule.
Gosh I wish I watched this and saw your comments sooner! I have micans propagating in spag forEVER and only 2/8 have been ready to transfer to leca. Okay, not forever, but a little over a month 😕
Botanical Woman Exactly right. I’ve done philodendron cordatum, golden Pothos, snow queen Pothos and Monstera adansonii. Post propagation operatIon, Monstera adansonii was the only one that is experiencing some degree of separation anxiety, all others are doing great, showing no sign of stress at all.
@Botanical Woman I’m still very new to the whole house plant scene, it is currently the third month since I started getting interested in indoor gardening. I’ve been busy building up my collection and learning new skills along the way. Thanks to ppl like you, it is super easy for me to access all sorts of useful information in terms of plant care and propagation. I may start sharing at a later stage when I’m experienced enough. You’ve been doing a great job, keep it up!
i noticed propagation boxes work better then spag field vessels. the moss gets to dense and there isn't any humidity going usually. i also just saw someone saying they lept there's in near their shower and it put out roots without any work !!
@@BotanicalWoman That's not as long as I thought! I have one cutting of three with one root several inches long now. I don't have much longer to wait to hopefully see some more in the water. Thanks!
I've only attempted the two node two leaf method and I thought that it did great but after seeing your one leaf one node I think that I'm going to try that next! My Micans is getting a little to leggy so I plan on propagating it again soon and this video was very helpful. Thank you for all the insight! ^_^
Hi Manju, it shouldn't take too long. It does depend on some factors such as the health of the plant and the temperature, but you should generally start to see growth in about a week. Good luck!
Water roots are different to soil/sphagnum roots. You cant compare the size difference and assume that the water roots are better because they are longer. I also use large amounts of moist sphagnum in a nursery pot (many drainage holes) so I can water it easily. This prevents rot, but ensures that it doesn't dry out. You can 'air layer' your longer vines into this pot with sphagnum, much quicker. You also don't shock the plant like you do when transferring from water to soil.
I thought I’d heard that water roots are different from real roots but I wasn’t sure. That’s actually why I started reading comments after watching the video. I would be interested to hear further follow up after trying the three methods, which one resulted in the best plant.
depending on species , I have seen some take up to two months changing water every week. I have a brazil philo that took two months and then I have a satin pothos that took two weeks. In a northern facing bay window with high hang plant light. I have had the best results with creating a new plant using atleast 6-8 cuttings in each species and putting them all in one pot when they have nice white roots atleast 1 1/2 inches long. Sometimes when cutting are ready. I will put two colors of the same species in one pot creating a beautiful plant such as combining the rio brazil philo with the brazil philo.
its too wet on the sphagnum moss experiment. I squeeze most of the water out of it after being soak overnight. otherwise root rot moss propagation works better for me.
Instead of using a mason jar for your sphagnum Moss you should have put it in a pot with many drainage holes. What are it through and allowed it to dry. I suggest you redo your experiment with this method and find out how well this bag Namaz actually works.
thx for sharing, the different results are always interesting, if i were to do it now which i have...i am growing my cuttings in semi hydro and they are growing nicely!
Interesting Experiment. Thank you for the information. I don't know this suggestion is useful but my guess is that the rot issue with your moss propagation had to do with placing it inside a glass mason jar which suffocated the stems. This created a bog like condition without oxygen rather than a fast draining soil and epiphyte barky condition which is the mican's natural habitat. Moss propagation works pretty fast if placed it in a fast draining container like a terra cotta pot that allows air to circulate. Keep the moss moist and warm but not soggy. Water grown roots will need to adjust to soil when you plant them and sometimes are a bit slower to get going once planted. In other words, you may save a week of time getting the roots to form in water but the plant slows down a week at planting to adapt its root system in soil.
Yeah, not enough air flow. thats true about water roots...will have to try it again. I actually have moved away from using moss and now use mainly coco coir which is really airy and the plants seem to love it!
Thanks for making this comment. I JUST put some philos in sphag in glass jars last night! I will switch to a different container tonight.
Always best to use moss inside a container and semi close it for higher humidity , moss should be kept wet but not soggy... just propagated an entire container full of micans no proplems at all but Im gona try some in water now just to see . Great videos btw 🌱🌱
Thanks for sharing this! It was super interesting to see the varying results - I’ve always wondered which is the most successful.
Thanks for watching Jessica, I was definitely surprised by how pronounced the differences were.
Hi there, I sometimes propagate aroids in sphagmum moss, but then use very well drained pots. The sphagnum must be misted often or dunked in water. But it must not be constantly soaking wet, then the roots start to rot easily. I normally have pretty good results, even though I find it's easier to spot problems in water. Another point, did you sometimes open up the air layered 'packets' to mist them? It's my understanding that you have to do this every few days, to create that mini environment. I want to try this method out soon too.
Hi Conner, Yes, because I didn't go a good job wrapping it definitely dried between watering. I honestly found this method to cumbersome for me especially since you can do it in water easily. Will probably try layering on another plant perhaps.
Excellent thanks for this. I actually did the same experiment and had the exact same results. Water propagation was by far the best and easiest as you can visually see the progress. Funny this popping up in my feed.
Thanks for sharing
I just got a few P. micans cuttings and will try rooting them in very wet pon---starting them almost as a water prop, and then bringing the water line lower and lower until I only have a reservoir in the self-watering pot and the pon is doing its wicking magic. It should work, in theory. Thank you for your thorough propagation video!
The method I described worked well, but not better than cuttings in just water, and I felt I had to watch the cuttings closer and more frequently to make sure they were consistently moist. So, water is overall easier, more efficient, and just as effective than other methods.
You gave very good information. Thank you very much for such videos, I also got to learn something.
You've saved me an incredible amount of time!!! Lol. Thanks😀
Thank you so much for the experiment and to your attention to detail.
Thank you! Happy you found it helpful!💚
loved the video.. exactly what i needed... i got this by luck and took a very small cuttings and have put it in water... waiting now
Thanks for the tips😊
How do you get your mican leaves so big?
Thank you for sharing this info, I just got a P.mican and was wondering how to propagate it, will be donating them to a non profit cultural fair in October so water method it is. Thanks again.
Great I use water all of my propagation and most of them work fine👍
Great video Christine. I am literally just about to cut my 3ft long micans now!!!
Forgive me if you said it and I missed it, but how long did you wait between the two videos? In other words, how long before I should expect to see roots?
I placed my micans cuttings in soil in the port in which i wanted them to grow, watered and let the water run out, then placed the pot in a zip bag for a good number of weeks, maybe a month. Opened it occasionaly, when remembered, for airation. All the cuttings took.
i placed my philo verrucosum cutting, philo sodiroi cutting, monstera standleyana cutting, rhaphidophora cryptantha cutting, various peperomia cuttings, monstera albo cutting in sphagnum moss for rooting (in a ziplock bag )---all rooted perfectly with no issue within one to two weeks. i guess i was just being lucky.
Thank you for sharing! luck doesn't happen multiple times in a row. this was just one experience. I am also rooted other things with moss. thats just not how this one played out. I personally still don't like rooting with sphag because I don't enjoy removing all the moss from the roots. do you do that? I wonder if you can just leave it on and pot it up.
@@BotanicalWoman no i dont remove the moss from the roots. i pot them up with moss clinging on the roots. semi epiphytes and epiphytes don't mind moss at all. and for terrestrial plants i am using ABG mix for tropical plants. it contains sphagnum as well.
@@linling1240 interesting.... because time and time again I have been told to remove it. Thx for sharing. Will have to investigate!
linling1240 do you zip it or leave the bag slightly open?
@@vikky658 i do both and check the progress every 5 days.
Hi there! I’ve just bought a philodendron melanochrysum cutting and am so confused on what to propagate it in. Water, spag moss? Any advice you can give me would be so appreciated!! Thank you 🙏🙏
Have you tried the perlite method? I am currently trying it with my Micans. It's been a week and a half. I do see the nodes turning green and a tiny root coming out of one. It's under a grow light for now.
yes at the time i didn't but now my choose of medium is anything that is airy so perlite is great and I have grown fond of moss as well. I am going to make a video soon to discuss my favorite propagation mediums.
I just subscribed! Lovely micans! This video is really of big help.❣
Thanks for subbing! I'm glad it was helpful =)
If propagating in water is it safe to use something like clonex or root stimulator? And is it best at a window sill or under a grow light?
when propagating, warmth is more important then light, so i don't recommend window sills. you want to trick your plant into thinking its summer and you want to provide them with a consistent environment. I have not experimented with rooting hormone mainly because i am too lazy to use it but i have used it to dry out my PPP cutting which sort of worked. I would say a prop box is the way to go when propagating anything.
Hi I'm new to your channel. Ive just received a P.micans which has roots and a few leaves. It was in water before I got it and I was advised to keep it a bit longer in water, however I noticed the ends of the roots started to turn brown. Ive since put it into coir and kept it slightly moist. But just in case I might take the top leaf with a single node and try and propgate it like you have shown. Thanks for doing this video
Thanks for tips! I have only three mican leaf cuttings. The soil is drying out so fast like after a day of watering. I am afraid of overwatering but also concerned it is dry. How often should I water? Should I do five-day intervals or every other day if the soil is dry so fast like only a day after watering? One of the cuttings seem to have thin, fragile roots than the white healthy ones. It came out of pot easily as soil is loose. Would you recommend I keep it in pot and water it with others or put it in water to develop more roots? I bought this from seller but seems he did not have any specific advice about my question. Thanks
Think you only got air roots. Try putting them in water till they grow white roots then put them back in soil. It will take about 1 month.
philodendrons are the bestttttttt. especially philodendron brasil.
more brasil!
I use moss most of the time but I let my moss be on the dryer side. I try not to let it sit in water like you would with a potted plant.
I tried the air layering method with a scindapsus pictus (silver pothos) and got no root growth after a month but I didn’t check/mist the packets and I used the “press n seal” not regular Saran Wrap so I think mine got too dry. I thought (like you) that air layering would be the best method.
I’ve always heard that the roots that form in water are not the same as normal roots and that rootings have a hard time making the switch to soil from water.
I feel like the sphagnum would be the best method if you can get the moisture just right, especially if the commenter above is correct and you don’t have to remove the moss from the fragile new roots before potting up. I’d be interested to see how the water rooted cuttings matured in soil compared to the moss or air layered ones. I also think putting them in a high humidity environment (like a plastic bag tent over the cuttings or start them inside a partially open Ziplock) helps.
it is true, when propagated in water, the plant develops water roots which is why it is important to transfer it to soil when its about a cm long so that as the roots continue to grow, they will be soil roots. for all the cuttings you see in this video that i rooted, i moved them into dirt and gave all of them away. One of which went to my friend and she plant is doing great. So which that, I feel confident to recommend water propagation! =) I still don't like spag in my growing medium because its holds too much moisture. I prefer having my medium to be consistent throughout but of course there are expectations to the rule.
Hi Christine! How long did this propagation experiment last?
its been well over a year now but did I not say in the video?
How long did it take to grow those roots in water? My roots don't seem to grow and the stems end up rotting before I get any roots.
Mine took 3 weeks to start. I feel like the roots grow more slowly on these
How long was your propagation experiment?
Gosh I wish I watched this and saw your comments sooner! I have micans propagating in spag forEVER and only 2/8 have been ready to transfer to leca. Okay, not forever, but a little over a month 😕
Yeah it is soo frustrating when they don't do anything. Hopefully they grow faster in the future.
@Lèmon Lēe I ended up putting them in moss in an enclosed prop box. They rooted much faster!
thanks for the comparisons. i will do the water instead with what i got now
I would for love you to do an experiment on rooting using hydroponics
or a cloning box. I can’t find anything comparing that to traditional methods.
i am not doing as much experiments these days because I don't have any space! 😂
Try LECA! Works wonderful on my hoyas!
I find natural laying very effective for root development. Just pin the nodes down to the soil and leave it to do its thing
Yes that makes a lot of sense, maybe in another video i will do that. any plant that roots at the nodes should work!
Botanical Woman Exactly right. I’ve done philodendron cordatum, golden Pothos, snow queen Pothos and Monstera adansonii. Post propagation operatIon, Monstera adansonii was the only one that is experiencing some degree of separation anxiety, all others are doing great, showing no sign of stress at all.
@@Laurenlee87721 thats great! Do you share you results on any social media platform? I am sure ppl would love to see how you do it!
@Botanical Woman I’m still very new to the whole house plant scene, it is currently the third month since I started getting interested in indoor gardening. I’ve been busy building up my collection and learning new skills along the way. Thanks to ppl like you, it is super easy for me to access all sorts of useful information in terms of plant care and propagation. I may start sharing at a later stage when I’m experienced enough. You’ve been doing a great job, keep it up!
I love your intro !
Thanks, you did all the trial that i wanted to do.. stick them in the water...
lol your welcome!
i noticed propagation boxes work better then spag field vessels. the moss gets to dense and there isn't any humidity going usually.
i also just saw someone saying they lept there's in near their shower and it put out roots without any work !!
Nice video
How much time passed between the propagation and this follow up? I see the dates, but it couldn't possibly have only been one week, right?
Yeah it was about 3 weeks between when they were filmed, so not the longest time but enough to see results =)
@@BotanicalWoman That's not as long as I thought! I have one cutting of three with one root several inches long now. I don't have much longer to wait to hopefully see some more in the water. Thanks!
I've only attempted the two node two leaf method and I thought that it did great but after seeing your one leaf one node I think that I'm going to try that next! My Micans is getting a little to leggy so I plan on propagating it again soon and this video was very helpful. Thank you for all the insight! ^_^
Great to hear! I hope it goes well 😀
Christine, how long had it been since you started those props?
Hi, this video was recorded over a year ago and all the plants have been given away.
I think they were asking how long they had been in the water/moss/air layering before you did the update.
Hi, how long does it take for Philodendron to develop root? Just one mode one leaf.
Hi Manju, it shouldn't take too long. It does depend on some factors such as the health of the plant and the temperature, but you should generally start to see growth in about a week. Good luck!
@@BotanicalWoman how long does it take to grow a new leaf? Thanks so much for the video!
Water roots are different to soil/sphagnum roots. You cant compare the size difference and assume that the water roots are better because they are longer.
I also use large amounts of moist sphagnum in a nursery pot (many drainage holes) so I can water it easily. This prevents rot, but ensures that it doesn't dry out.
You can 'air layer' your longer vines into this pot with sphagnum, much quicker. You also don't shock the plant like you do when transferring from water to soil.
I thought I’d heard that water roots are different from real roots but I wasn’t sure. That’s actually why I started reading comments after watching the video. I would be interested to hear further follow up after trying the three methods, which one resulted in the best plant.
if i cut a pice of my plant.. will leaves grow in the end again?
no but it will grow a new growth point..thats how I get my plants to become fuller
Incredibly beautiful!!!♡♡♡
Thank you ♥♥♥
I want to try the water and one node method😉
Thank you ..
Can anyone tell me how long this process takes? I've had some in water for about 6 days and don't see any development yet.
From what I've seen, water propagation takes around 2-3 weeks :)
depending on species , I have seen some take up to two months changing water every week. I have a brazil philo that took two months and then I have a satin pothos that took two weeks. In a northern facing bay window with high hang plant light. I have had the best results with creating a new plant using atleast 6-8 cuttings in each species and putting them all in one pot when they have nice white roots atleast 1 1/2 inches long. Sometimes when cutting are ready. I will put two colors of the same species in one pot creating a beautiful plant such as combining the rio brazil philo with the brazil philo.
I tried with philodendron neon, but lost it, can u pls suggest propagation method.
the neon can be difficult to propagate but i have had success with water prop in the past. try perlite? I would keep your cuttings in a humidity box.
its too wet on the sphagnum moss experiment. I squeeze most of the water out of it after being soak overnight. otherwise root rot moss propagation works better for me.
cutest intro!
thx =)
I propagated my micans in water yesterday the way you did it but today the leaves started to change color what am i doinv wrong?😔
not sure but a plant can still grow just from the node with out a leaf if thats any consolation.
Probably not enough light
Great info thanks for the growf tips! 😂
Any time!
Maravilha
Is there a moss?
sphagnum moss?
Instead of using a mason jar for your sphagnum Moss you should have put it in a pot with many drainage holes. What are it through and allowed it to dry. I suggest you redo your experiment with this method and find out how well this bag Namaz actually works.
The sphagnum moss method should've worked. Put it in a plastic bag to lock in humidity.
In my privat experiment, it was compleatly difficult. In water they got no roots and in shagnummoss were a lot of new roots and a few new leafs 🤷🏼♀️😀
thx for sharing, the different results are always interesting, if i were to do it now which i have...i am growing my cuttings in semi hydro and they are growing nicely!
hello i have one pot philodendron micans for 3 years , i like to send you picture
do you have instragram ?
instagram.com/botanical_woman/
Mine have spots what does that mean
Sorry, I am not sure...
Probably a fungus or parasite unrelated to the rooting medium.
I love your hands..
lol Thank you
Went straight to my prop box and took the micans cuttings out and into water
lol..i think the prop box will work as well. the extra humidity always help plants grown.
Awesome would you be willing to send me a cutting? I’ve been trying to find this plant
*ONE* *BELT,* *ONE* *ROAD*
Growf
That's not how you use sphagnum