I consume A LOT of automotive reviews (a shameful amount, really). I was initially not taken with your dry approach, but have come to appreciated the unlubricated manner in which you deliver content. Fly high Mr. Goose. Fly high.
This review is so fucking good. It's so refreshing to actual watch an HONEST review. There are many out there currently on this vehicle and it's all praise with no cons. You make some fantastic points(good and bad) and ANYONE considering purchasing this vehicle should watch this review as their 'go to'. Thanks for knocking another one out of the park. Thumbs up!
The most honest car reviewer iv'e ever seen! Like that you talk about both the pros and the cons! Makes it feel "real" and that adds so much more value to the pros that you mention about this car.
Insightful review as usual - thanks! I have been in the market for a compact SUV for the last 3 months and 2 weeks ago drove home in the new SX. As an engineer and car enthusiast, I am extremely 'finicky'. When I drove the class competitors - RAV4, CX-5, and CR-V in particular - the Kia won hands-down. Best handling, most powerful, quietest, best ergonomics, best fit for function, and yes, best looking (I like the 'fresh' European-esque styling). In the Canadian market, it is by far the best value. I found it even competed in some respects with the luxury compact class - lapping at the hatches of the tired RDX, tiny Q3, and poser NX. And yes, manufacturer's turbo 4's are over-boosted at low RPM (NX included), but the Sportage throttle response is manageable enough, especially in ECO drive mode (maybe it's better local market tuning?). It is no Macan so limit handling and heat soak are non-issues. The paddles are fun and rev matching would make them better. I guess I won't be tracking it after all. As for the budget interior look, I totally disagree, as do my Audi friends that recognize the design ethos. I would like a soft surface at the knees but other than that, the interior has a premium feel superior to the top spec'd competitors I drove (leather on a RAV? Not at any price). The center stack and infotainment system is simple and intuitive, while the Harmon Kardon kicks ass. Piano black trim seems to be the new carbon fibre: trendy but in the end, unoffensive and not a buying factor. I found no meaningful compromise with the Sportage and voted with my wallet. It was the only ride in its class that put a grin on my face and was actually fun to drive. In part, maybe it's that contrarian feeling of knowing something the general market has yet to figured out. Judging by the FUD doled out at their dealerships, Toyota and Honda are going to be the last to know as their traditional buyers (4 time Toyota owner here) discover the Korean Revolution.
+mindomassey i'm in the market (Canada) now as well, i like the Sportage, but I hate Turbos, so I would go with the EX Tech 2.4. my main concern is cabin noise , and soft ride? i want a super quiet cabin and a plush ride.. what do you think of those 2?
Hi, it's been 7 years and I'm considering this vehicle used. Do you mind sharing your experience of ownership? Reliability, cost of maintenance, does it feel old etc... Also I'm looking for something that does light off road, not sure if you have taken it to the trails. I'd definitely think of Subarus but there are many reasons turning me away from them. Thanks in advance!
I am a diesel person for more then 20 years in Europe and New Zealand , I had 2 Toyota's RAV 4 diesels ( 2010 + 2014 model ) and several other model diesels ...now I drive this version 2016 /17 Kia Sportage EX 2.0 turbo auto 185hp , and have done 3000km the last few weeks ....it leaves the Toyota RAV 2.2 turbo diesel for DEAD ...brilliant engines and auto gearbox ...the finishing of the Kia is superb, an excellent SUV .
It is NOT a frigging SUV for crying out loud. It DOESN'T have the necessary ground clearance, nor any of the qualities that make an SUV. It's a jacked up hatchback. Deal with it.
Same love for the 2016 2.0L Turbo Diesel AWD version here in Australia. It does have its quirks, just as per its looks, but it’s a great overall package for what it is. A small/on road tourer. Done almost 80,000kms. Been almost all the way up the WA coast (3500kms) and over countless gravel /sand tracks carrying 3 adults, camping gear and 3-5 days food and water at a time, with no issues. Definitely not an off roader with super low clearance, stiff suspension and no wheel articulation, but she’s fun to drive with 400nm of torque (vs 352NM on 2L Turbo Petrol) in a tiny package, whilst still averaging over 35MPG, including urban driving around home. As a small tourer, with a bit of driver height, that’s still able to plod around town, whilst having plenty of power on tap to overtake from 100kmh on the flat or up a hill, it’s awesome. Did swap out the OEM Kuhmo KL33 tyres for some Michelin Primacys. Would consider eventually trading it for a 2.2L Turbo Diesel Hyundai Santa Fe, primarily for the slightly bigger boot and have an Isuzu MUX 3.0T Diesel with increased fuel tank for proper 4wding.
@@Greg.K.C. After nearly 3 years the Sportage 2016 diesel ...only cost are the Tyres her in NZ , I bought last year the 2019 Sorento 2.2 diesel 4 WD ...very nice Car plenty of power nicer suspension then the Sporty Sportage , ideal for the crappy roads in NZ ...we just put 4 new Continental Tyres on . Kia's are very reliable cars
@@KiaTaatje nice. Very Hard to go past the Kia AWD’s with the extras like front sensors and rear AC that you don’t always get on the Mid and lower level Hyundai’s with the same engines. I admit to preferring the exterior look of the Hyundai’, but very happy to have gone with the SLI Sportage over the same cost Tucson. Such a shame the new Sorento has gone with a Dual Clutch. I’m a low km second hand buyer, so will definitely be looking at the Sports Auto Sorento models and may well go one over the Santa-Fe depending on what’s available for the same money.
SavageGeese you were the reason I bought my 2011 KIA Sportage EX and I absolutely love it! I didn't even know about this car before this review and coming from a Subaru this car is amazing
Nice review! I own a 2016 CX5 and just drove the Sportage SX back to back with the 2017 CX5. I love the Mazdas. The 2017 interior and ride has been mostly nicely tweaked but the Kia really surprised me. The sales guy didn't come so I made my wife sign a waiver and beat the Kia to death for 30 min. Everything you said about the Kia transmission was evident but you are "in" the Sportage compared to "on" the CX5. I found the Kia handling to be better. Yeah the Kia plowed but so does the Mazda and I was pushing it harder than I ever would the Mazda into the corners. So Much Fun!!
With the new Sportage, Kia made a unique looking car that doesn't look anything else in the road, while still maintaining elegance. The 2013 - 2014 Toyota RAV4 was redesigned to look different for the sake of being different, without adding a touch of class. Even the 2016 RAV4 still looks hideous.
Beauty shots are on point brother, brilliant work !!! Damn, those Kia's are mighty impressive, loved the under pinnings of the vehicle, seems to be well built !!! Good review man, keep up the good work !!! ps : When will Hyundai / Kia come up with a good transmission ? That's what impedes on vehicle's performances and / or fun of driving.
Darth Fader copied the juke in front and Dodge in back. There really is no original Kia or Hyundai. It's actually kinda sad to see such a copycat company actually succeed as much as it has. To me all the cars remind me of ones off of the GTA games. Like they're supposed to resemble real cars but they don't belong in reality.
@Jaciee87 um, actually not.....suggest you do your resarch.....www.autonews.com/sales/genesis-kia-hyundai-again-rank-highest-jd-power-quality-scorecard www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2018/06/20/man-bites-dog-korean-brands-genesis-kia-and-hyundai-top-quality-rankings/#5ca1cba923e5 www.wardsauto.com/technology/kia-hyundai-surpass-japanese-brands-initial-quality www.autotrader.com/car-news/kia-has-suddenly-become-one-most-reliable-car-brands-259590 kia brought in world class BMW and Audi engineers, now outranking the Japanese product in reliability, safety tests, road tests.....
@Jaciee87 are u aware of Toyota's engine recalls, and Nissans????? As I recall, Toyota had dangerous engine or transmission situation happening some years ago. Then, you have the continuing issues with VWs and with GM products and how Mitsubishi are now ranked lowest in quality/safety overall and Nissan has fallen so fart in quality and safety? Suggest again that you you do your research regarding safety histories, if you know how to research. I will bet you could not tell one engine from another if I placed 3 in front of you. Moreover, often, if there are recalls as MANY car manufacturers have, AHEM...they tend to be compartmentalized, in one region. There was a Kia recall somewhere in the US, I am in Canada so it did not affect me. A friend is a very high end engineer who has had a history of driving luxury vehicles, always drove Mercedes or BMW and now grudgingly admits Peter Schreyer and his fellow former Audi/ BMW team have so improved the Korean products that, as noted in the links I provided WHICH PRESENT FACTS, the Korean vehicles are beating out many Japanese vehicles. This coming from an Asian engineer. He drove two Kias to test drive and told me "wow, if you did not tell me what brand I was driving I'd have said Toyota or possibly Subaru, impressed". Do u know anything at all about engineering that you can make a claim about what is "junk?" What is your education? (I have almost my Masters) And what do you drive that is so superior? FYI, My last vehicle was Lexus RX 350 which drove like a dream BUT was gas guzzling, hard to park, blind spots and pricey to maintain, so I went with something smaller sportier and zero complaints.
Most people buy cars like these to get from point a to point b. They want comfortable, reliable low cost utility and a good warranty. Not many people buy these cars for handling and performance. They go to the dealer and buy what they need and what they can afford. That’s it.
2017 Sportage SX. So far, so great. THE HITS - New exterior design (what's wrong with emulating Porsche?) - Handling, quietness - Harmon Kardon sound system (Clari-Fi really works) - Incredibly fast-working air conditioning (especially with this brutal summer) - Auto liftgate (yes, ultimate in laziness, but still get a kick out of it) - Interior lighting (very bright to these 61-year-old eyes) - Peppy (i.e. turbo) - Safety features (been loudly warned that I was about to change lanes into a semi) THE MISSES -Can't voice command a particular tune or artist (Must stop making USB flashdrives with 3,000 songs on them). Impossible to locate the Bowie tune I was in the mood to hear. Actually, voice recognition overall is marginal at best. Just try telling the nav system to take you to a specific address. -Cheap plastic interior. Unless I want to put on slippers before I jump in the driver seat, guess I need to get use to scuff marks. I'm on my second bottle of Armor All protectant. -Cheap floor mats. No logos on them...and quite thin material. (At least give us SX owners some cool, well-made mats). WISH LIST -Phone charger (Canadians get this on their Sportage...but not in the USA) -Memory seats -Steering/seat auto adjust when exit/entry (had it on my 2013 Optima and loved it). -Better gas mileage (But hey - still paying $2.15/gallon - so not too bad for now) OVERALL Yes, sounds like I'm whining, but overall - I love my Sportage. Just pointing things out for 2018 model enhancements.
I bought a used Sportage 2017 SX after listening to this review. I got sooooo much more for my money than I would if i'd gone for the Toyota Rav 4, CRV or the Mazda CX 5. I tested all of these vehicles and loved the sportier drive that the Sportage has. I felt the road more and didn't feel like I was driving a sofa. Excellent reviews by Savage Geese. I'm very impressed with the information presented, the unbiased opinions and the production quality of the videos. a lot of work goes into these. Awesome work!
Just bought a 2017 Sportage SX! Was torn between a the 2016 VW Tiguan and the 2017 RAV4. The Kia Sportage felt like a good combination of both. We were only interested in the RAV4 because of reliability and maintenance cost. Super happy with finding a turbo option in an SUV
After watching the forte review. I decided to try watching all kia from goose. According to goose, forte is a really good car. Then next kia review - he also said is another good car. I wonder if all kia are good cars
First let me say your reviews are the only ones i trust. Great videography as well. And thank you for reviewing mainstream vehicles BUT i noticed that you only review high end trims, can you start reviewing lower end trims as well, lets be realistic most people buy cheaper trims. Ty
Your reviews are really really really stunning. I am mean dude. The music and filming is sublime and of course the content of the review. Your approach to the content is great and the Turbowski tops it all off. You have a great think going. You should be on Top Gear. You would make the show great again. You are a very talented individual and I wish you all the success. Super Job!!!
+GeminiNite Wow thanks for the kind words thats way too nice. Glad you like the work, there is a ton of time that goes into it. But of course everyone says that.
I live in New Zealand and bought a new Sportage turbodiesel last year. It's the best vehicle I've ever owned. So much performance (400 Nm or 295 ft-lb of torque) and great economy (33 USmpg). A great vehicle. I've done 23,000 miles over 18 months and it hasn't put a foot wrong. Comfortable and refined. Definitely worth a look if you're in the market for a mid sized SUV.
What a fabulous review, I liked that. We've been living with a 2016 '66 Kia Sportage GT-Line for the past two weeks and you're right about when the honeymoon period ends all the quirks start to raise their head. The fake leather stitching everywhere, and every time I get in there's some piano black plastic to buff up. What grinds my gears however is the cheapness of the centre console elbow rest. Always creaks under any amount of elbow pressure. It's actually going back to the garage to have this looked at. Unless the fan on is high or music, it's really annoying. I was also expecting the GT-Line to have auto boot release and panoramic glass roof, but no. Maybe should have taken the KX4? Dunno.
Just too many negatives in this review that incorporated personal bias. You are very right about the turbo. Every competition in this class and in sedans has "cheap" materials here and there, which is why they are charging 20-30K and not 60K if they have all soft materials throughout. Buttons - no one wants Cadillac style interior infotainment or no-volume button Honda's. Safety tech - yes that is why all of these higher trims cost what they do. Should mention this in all reviews and not just this. This is what is demanding consumers regardless of whether all this tech will be worthwhile in few years. I am with you on that but just to mention this if one has no other negatives is not being truthful to a professional review.
this is the best review that i've seen on this vehicle. i'm thinking about buying one for a summer daily/winter car because it's a bit quirky but also blends in with all the other cars on the road.
@@savagegeese with all due respect, are you an engineer and allluding to Kia as being totally downmarket is nasty and very wrong though it would have been correct 30 yrs ago.Kia is now beating out various Japanese products in crash/safety tests, reliability, features and I highlly doubt that Forbes, Fortune, JPower, Consumer Reports and many, many more sources you can find if you simply google "Korean vehicles versus Japanese" are incorrect. The Kia Telluride has beaten out the longstanding Toyota Highlander (or it may have been the Pilot, not sure which) in various surveys and in reading many consumer opinions, people are very impressed, similarly with the little forte and the SUVs. What do u drive? I drove Lexus RX 350 and also drove Kia (and GM back in the day when the products were good) and fyi, had zero issues with either though the Kia was smaller, smaller tank, etc. etc. I actually had the Lexus in more for servicing than I did the Kia, believe it or not. All that said, brands I'd not touch would be Mitsubishi, Nissan (now) GM (which was once great and it was nice to buy N.American) Chrysler , VW or money pit BMW/Mercedes, why do u suppose u see so many of THOSE for sale CHEAP at non luxury dealerships??. Acura, Infiniti also have gone down as luxury brands... Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Kia/Hyundai, Subaru, Lexus (Toyota) Audi all good brands, IMO .....if I wanted new luxury SUV I'd go Lexus or Audi. But there just is not much wrong with buying a newer Kia
Hi(from Australia), just curious as to whether or not you are able to do a review on the CRV? Been watching the channel for a while and haven't noticed any yet. Thanks for all the quality vids, so good btw!
I think that is what's hamstringing Mazda . They need to offer the 2.5 turbo in the CX5 .Honda and Toyota with their huge market share doesn't need to offer different options but for Mazda to increase their market share to me it's a no brainer
Seriously, do you guys live in Siberia? It seems like there is low light and cold weather every time you open your video. Reminds me of of my youth in Canada!
Goose, great review. I have been going through a lot of your old reviews just because I truly enjoy watching them. You reviewed quite a few Hyundai and Kia's over the last few years, but missed the Sorento. Any chance you can get your hands on one. I would love to hear your thoughts on the the Sportage's big brother. Thanks.
When this generation first came out, I got into it and I thought "wow, this is good, feels good, presents very well". And then I asked what spec is it and when he said it was the base model, I responded "no way".
At least they didn't chrome everything. The satin finish looks so much better than chrome, only question would be is it aluminum or is it just plastic. The inserts in the 2015 vw jetta with the satin finish feels like metal and looks really nice.
Nice review, but in 14:46 the exhaust doesn't go to the compressor, it goes to the turbine which drives the centrifugal compressor that compress the air.
I rarely make any comments on youtube videos, but i think its time i make one :) love your videos. Keep doing what u do , simple honest videos. Say our hi to turbowski from north Carolina.
Long-time viewer, first-time commenting. Love your reviews. Any chance you can get your hands on either a 2016 Challenger SRT 392 or Scat Pack? I know Turbowski would appreciate it too.
First of all - impressive and thorough review. Nice camera work and editing. I just ordered one of these (and its been 5-6 weeks, with no delivery date in sight.) Why? I like the looks of it. I don't care if it's a hybrid of Macan and Tribeca. It's different than the other small SUVs. The Honda CRV hasn't realy changed its look in over 10 years. The RAV4 is better but the 2016 (especially in white) looks like a Star Wars' stormtrooper's helmet, and the Subaru Forester is about as plain looking as can be. I gotta admit the Mazda CX-5 has looks appeal, but I have had two Mazdas and they were problematic and expensive to fix. And it's an SUV - to get me through the deep snows of Upstate New York. Sure, I'd love to get an Audi, Infiniti, Acura, Porsche or Lexus SUV - but I ain't in that 1% club. For the money (
+Rick Cieply And you just explained perfectly why the Sportage works so well. I think you will like it. When you take delivery and get some miles on it update us on what you think?
Fantastic review. Really appreciate lift walk also, definitely a deciding factor. Thinking the logic for the side only rear seat lowering is the head rest clearance may need to be adjusted, if the front seat is further back. Does it have a full spare or donut?? Spare tools also? Thanks again, instant subscribe ✊😎
Here in Europe (Serbia) I have 1.7 turbo diesel and everything you said is the thrue for this engine also. I watched your review few time, and I am suprised how you are right.
Hi Mr Goose, Thanks for another good review. I am considering buying either a mid-size SUV or a hatchback this year. In Europe the Sportage and Tucson are available in 1.6litre T, not the 2 litre. I know the Tucson you tested was equipped with a 1.6litreT, so my question is: Would you recommend going for a 4wd option on the Sportage with that engine? Winter where I live has light snow fall, so may not justify the 4wd option, although Kia seem to charge not that much more for the 4wd option. Is the extra maintenance and fuel consumption worth it in terms of improved grip and handling? Thanks
You know, and I'm totally not saying this to you to insult you in any way, but the Ford Escape Titanium has adaptive cruise control and I've been a fan and studying it for about 2 years now VERY intensely but the Sportage SX trim is without that option and the self parking option as well and that to me is fairly unimportant. The Sportage offers everything else the Escape Titanium trim offers plus cordless, inductive cell phone charging, what I think is a rocking interior, and a kickass manufacturer's warranty
I've rented this and the previous iteration. I loved the previous iteration but people complained it was too "jittery", which I take to be "no understeer dialed in". This version seems dynamically softer - too bad. Will say that both do OK off road with a locking diff and hill handling. Took a loong desert run and even though the front end was plowing sand, it never stopped. Too bad they can't put on a real skid plate.
In the future can you please let us know what the as tested price is? I am thinking between 32 to 35k for your test car. Competitive but I would give up the hp and go with a CX5. A really nice one can be had for 30k.
nice.. i really like your detailed driving review. any chance you'll be reviewing a boring CR-V? Maybe almost as many features, but not quite as plastic-y (or maybe so?), and very interested in your driving review.. perhaps not quite as peppy but maybe a better feel overall?
4:18 I have many things I can point out but I am only going to watch to this point. That is the air dam that pushes the air down so the plastic under the car flows fast and past everything... That is not skid plates under there. It is semi hard plastic to cut down drag causing it to have a better (say it with me) aerodynamic flow... causing better fuel economy.
Hi Sava I consider petrol 2.4 or turbo diesel which is better performance , smother and fun to drive if forget about fuel economic. Thank for your advice
I agree that piano black does not serve as a good backsplash for center stack controls. It already looked dusty. The 2013 Escape i leased had it below the touchscreen, right where my thumb and other three fingers rested while I was using it.
Be curious to see a side by side suspension comparison with this and a renegade. The Kia's components just look so small and thin. Like something would bend if you hit a moderate pothole.
These two vehicles may not be an obvious match up, but thanks to a great potential lease offer one they will be similar in price. I am on the fence between this Kia Sportage SX and an Infiniti Qx30 Sport. The Kia SX would offer AWD, a bigger screen with a more modern infotainment system (apple car play etc.), and slightly more horsepower than the Infiniti. However, the Qx30 grips the road like no other, I found it really fun to drive. Also, the Interior materials on the Infiniti are far superior in my opinion (minus the infotainment system). I have been in 2 different Jeep Grand Cherokee's over the past 8/9 years, so the Qx30 will be much smaller size-wise - although I really don't need the Grand Cherokee size these days. Any thoughts or input as to which I one I should go with would greatly appreciated! Thanks :)
Sportage as in "fromage", not "baggage" or "garbage". Next model they'll call it Spörtage, just to make it more upscale and European (remember Asüna by GM? Kill me now, please). Actually I pronounce it as I would "baggage" because the vehicle speaks for itself. Ok joking aside, I bought this after test driving 20 or so vehicles to replace my daily driver, a Camry which I sold after 385,000 kms. In the 8 months it took to get through all those test drives, I drove my other car - an Audi S4 convertible as my daily driver. For those who do not know, that has a normally aspirated V8 with AWD. I'm saying all this so you know how I decided - I wanted something powerful because that's what I'm used to with the Audi, something as quiet at the Audi, something with the interior feel of an Audi, but something reliable because Audis and all German cars are not (I paid $10,000 to replace the 4 chains, and $2000 to fix a trunk latch). That's why the Sportage was my top pick. And given that I already drive a V8, as long as the next car I choose has a 4 cyl engine, I don't care much about fuel economy. After 2 months of owenership and 4500km later, I can say without a doubt I am a very happy owner. It is almost the quietest, doesn't have any of that annoying indigenous Japanese design to it (ie: either like a Transformers or an Origami project) - looks European, and is the most powerful in its class. In fact, when Mark talks about pushing the car to 8 or 9 tenths of its limit, I - not being a track driver, don't do that and have never needed to... it gets really fast quickly and I am sure I'm not using even 6/10 of what it can do. Beyond that, I wouldn't have the skill to handle a car at that speed anyway without getting a hefty fine where I live. But when I was at the dealership, what was a big selling point when I got into the car was that I instantly recognized the interior design right away, an Audi S5 - no surprise there, probably the same guy (Peter Schrier) did it. Compare the Sportage interior st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/11/2017-Kia-Sportage-interior.jpg to the Audi S5 interior st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/11/2016-audi-s5-coupe-premium-plus-coupe-dashboard.png and you'll see the resemblance: a driver-centric business-styled interior. The interior also felt the widest in its class. Now the negatives - I agree with Mark that the best mode is Eco mode where the pedal feel is natural. Everything else feels weirdly synthetic. The Sorento has exactly the same issue by the way. Putting the car in sport mode and the thing just leaps like a dumb pit bull on a leash. The transmission isn't great that is true, but it's not bad - not nearly as bad as the turbo lag in eco mode. Despite these problems, it just hauls so I can forgive it like you would a 90's Toyota Supra. Mark also complains about the cheap plastics, and the lower part of the car does have cheaper ones, but not any cheaper than every other car in its class. The mid and top pieces are good material quality. At least the interior feels solid and the components aren't flexing around like in the Mazdas. Overall this is a value-added but up-market result and I think they pulled it off well. The notable CX-5 handles far better, the CX-3 was more fun even, but both suffered from having a tremendous amount of road and traffic noise (I love engine noise so that doesn't bother me) and the interior flexing all the time is intolerable, both these factors making for a daily driver to me is going to get annoying quickly. Anyway, thanks to Savagegeese for another fine production. I watched this one I don't know how many times and it still remains entertaining.
very well said........are you still driving the Kia Sportage and if so, what are your thoughts? Kia still gets a bad rap, personally, I find the new designs to be daring, a little "out there" and with some flair whereas CRV, RAV4 and Forester getting dull looking. I like CX5, Audi and Lexus for luxury and yesssss, I LIKE Kia, got a 2018 EX in mineral silver as I'm a woman who does not need/want turbo. So far so good but its early days and I too agree about eco mode. Cheers.
btw, you are correct that Peter Schreyer, who is VP of Kia has been "instrumental" (bad pun) in the Kia designs. many have pointed that out but many have no clue
@@barbarajanesowak882 I drove it 3 years and traded it in for a much larger SUV (Honda Pilot). I knew I was making a compromise by going bigger in terms of handling and performance, but needed the space. I was happy with it until the last year when I noticed a marked increase in road noise in the cabin, and noisy cabins is something I really don't like. Other than that, it was a great vehicle. I also want to add that because of the change in cabin noise level over time, I did not opt for the Sorrento when I wanted something bigger. I figure the increase in noise level is something to do with some wearable parts, so I wasn't going to take the same chances again. Oh one more thing... the AWD system is just superb. One winter I was stopped on a pretty steep uphill at a red light on a heavy snowy day. In front of me was a BMW X3. When the light turned green, the BMW spun all its tires and slid sideways almost into a ditch. I backed up to get out of its way, drove around it and up past it with zero slipping as though there wasn't two feet of snow on the ground.
Interesting how you seemed to really like the 2016 Kia Sorento in that review but found some issues with the handling and understeer and power delivery on the 2017 Sportage. In the Sorento review you were impressed how you were able to throw it around like a car. I believe you had the V6 in the Sorento. Would you say that the torque curve was more linear with the V6 in the Sorento and that's maybe why you liked it better? Perhaps the Turbo 4 cylinder in the Sorento would be similar in low end torque that is hard to gauge on throttle but the V6 being more linear in power delivery. Did you also find the interior plastics to be better in the Sorento than the Sportage?
The Sorento is better in almost all cases. V6 comfort, interior quality etc. The torque curve and drivability are better, but for certain the Sportage feels lighter on its feet. Does that answer?
One measure never really addressed (you allude to it) in most reviews is the tradeoff of more pep (torque and HP) for mileage. My feeling is that if the mileage is in the ballpark, give me power and acceleration every time.
savagegeese For those with limited budget, not paying the extra 5K for the top trims of both Sportage or CX-5. I found that the KIA May be a better value. After driving a BMW X1 for three years, the CX-5 transmission feels good and fun, but the layout of the infotainment, the UI, and the vol. on/off button down on the center console were poorly implemented in my opinion. That UI, and ergonomics of the center arm rest, six inches too far back for a person 5’ 8” on the CX-5 were the deal breaker for me. I will see if I enjoy the Sportage more. Have you tried both on snow? Which offers a better winter ride?
@SavageGeese....Which one is the best SUV/Mid Sized Crossover among the 2016/17 Kia Sportage, Hyundai Tucson, Mazda CX 5, Honda CRV, Nissan Rogue/X-trial, Chevy Equinox & Subaru Forester, when compared to each other taking in consideration their non-turbo engines???
savagegeese...Thanks for your prompt reply. I have watched a lot of comparison videos for the Mid Size SUV category, but I didn't find the 2016 Subaru 2.5i Sport/Limited in them....What can be the reason?
The critics can complain about the look of the front end, or the poor gas mileage on this vehicle. But this current version of the sportage is selling like hot cakes for KIA. He (savagegeese) rates this after the cx-5 and Tucson (doesn't make sense). In my opinion this car blows away both vehicles (not just in a straight line), especially its sister vehicle the Hyundai Tucson. Put a ram air intake onto this motor and nothing in the affordable sub-compact suv touches the performance.
I am bummed you didn't like this. Hoping to replace my wife's Rabbit with the SX AWD once she gets pregnant. I have been reading about it and it looks like they lost a good bit of acceleration... something like 1-1.5s to 60. The Tuscon 1.6T is actually faster but those have hella transmission problems with the DCT. Hyundai has come a long long way in a lot of important areas but they seem to rush out new tech before they figure it out.
+future62 Its not that I didnt like it just too many tradeoffs. You should still drive it, back to back with Tucson and CX-5. In your case despite DCT issues if you go new at least you dont have to worry for 100k.
savagegeese I'm kind of turned off from Mazda after having a '15 3 for a rental. It drove the same as a Golf TSI rental I had, but with no torque. So I'm kind of off the CX-5, unless they put that new 2.5T in. And the issues I've seen with the DCT are pretty scary- transmission pretty much going into neutral on the highway. Warranty won't help much with that....
+future62 I hear you. Give the Sportage a try then. Just keep in mind you get that immediate wow factor here from power can cloud your judgement, if you can live with the interior quirks you'd probably like it. I'd still say its number 2 or 3 on the list. Hard segment to fall in love with.
I consume A LOT of automotive reviews (a shameful amount, really). I was initially not taken with your dry approach, but have come to appreciated the unlubricated manner in which you deliver content. Fly high Mr. Goose. Fly high.
This review is so fucking good. It's so refreshing to actual watch an HONEST review. There are many out there currently on this vehicle and it's all praise with no cons. You make some fantastic points(good and bad) and ANYONE considering purchasing this vehicle should watch this review as their 'go to'. Thanks for knocking another one out of the park. Thumbs up!
+Mr Bobby Brown Thanks! Its good to see someone who gets it. Hope we can continue the trend.
+savagegeese Just wondering if you had a chance to test the base 2.4 without the turbo as a comparison?
+MrKikoboy i'm wondering the same thing, i like the AWD EX Tech trim (Canada), i wonder if it is the same driving impression
The most honest car reviewer iv'e ever seen! Like that you talk about both the pros and the cons! Makes it feel "real" and that adds so much more value to the pros that you mention about this car.
Insightful review as usual - thanks!
I have been in the market for a compact SUV for the last 3 months and 2 weeks ago drove home in the new SX. As an engineer and car enthusiast, I am extremely 'finicky'. When I drove the class competitors - RAV4, CX-5, and CR-V in particular - the Kia won hands-down. Best handling, most powerful, quietest, best ergonomics, best fit for function, and yes, best looking (I like the 'fresh' European-esque styling). In the Canadian market, it is by far the best value. I found it even competed in some respects with the luxury compact class - lapping at the hatches of the tired RDX, tiny Q3, and poser NX.
And yes, manufacturer's turbo 4's are over-boosted at low RPM (NX included), but the Sportage throttle response is manageable enough, especially in ECO drive mode (maybe it's better local market tuning?). It is no Macan so limit handling and heat soak are non-issues. The paddles are fun and rev matching would make them better. I guess I won't be tracking it after all. As for the budget interior look, I totally disagree, as do my Audi friends that recognize the design ethos. I would like a soft surface at the knees but other than that, the interior has a premium feel superior to the top spec'd competitors I drove (leather on a RAV? Not at any price). The center stack and infotainment system is simple and intuitive, while the Harmon Kardon kicks ass. Piano black trim seems to be the new carbon fibre: trendy but in the end, unoffensive and not a buying factor.
I found no meaningful compromise with the Sportage and voted with my wallet. It was the only ride in its class that put a grin on my face and was actually fun to drive. In part, maybe it's that contrarian feeling of knowing something the general market has yet to figured out. Judging by the FUD doled out at their dealerships, Toyota and Honda are going to be the last to know as their traditional buyers (4 time Toyota owner here) discover the Korean Revolution.
+mindomassey i'm in the market (Canada) now as well, i like the Sportage, but I hate Turbos, so I would go with the EX Tech 2.4. my main concern is cabin noise , and soft ride? i want a super quiet cabin and a plush ride.. what do you think of those 2?
+Dan Ricciardo Yes on quiet cabin, but CR-V has the plushest ride. Too floaty for me.
You have a FWD or AWD?
Hi, it's been 7 years and I'm considering this vehicle used. Do you mind sharing your experience of ownership? Reliability, cost of maintenance, does it feel old etc... Also I'm looking for something that does light off road, not sure if you have taken it to the trails. I'd definitely think of Subarus but there are many reasons turning me away from them. Thanks in advance!
I am a diesel person for more then 20 years in Europe and New Zealand , I had 2 Toyota's RAV 4 diesels ( 2010 + 2014 model ) and several other model diesels ...now I drive this version 2016 /17 Kia Sportage EX 2.0 turbo auto 185hp , and have done 3000km the last few weeks ....it leaves the Toyota RAV 2.2 turbo diesel for DEAD ...brilliant engines and auto gearbox ...the finishing of the Kia is superb, an excellent SUV .
It is NOT a frigging SUV for crying out loud. It DOESN'T have the necessary ground clearance, nor any of the qualities that make an SUV. It's a jacked up hatchback. Deal with it.
Same love for the 2016 2.0L Turbo Diesel AWD version here in Australia. It does have its quirks, just as per its looks, but it’s a great overall package for what it is. A small/on road tourer. Done almost 80,000kms. Been almost all the way up the WA coast (3500kms) and over countless gravel /sand tracks carrying 3 adults, camping gear and 3-5 days food and water at a time, with no issues. Definitely not an off roader with super low clearance, stiff suspension and no wheel articulation, but she’s fun to drive with 400nm of torque (vs 352NM on 2L Turbo Petrol) in a tiny package, whilst still averaging over 35MPG, including urban driving around home. As a small tourer, with a bit of driver height, that’s still able to plod around town, whilst having plenty of power on tap to overtake from 100kmh on the flat or up a hill, it’s awesome. Did swap out the OEM Kuhmo KL33 tyres for some Michelin Primacys. Would consider eventually trading it for a 2.2L Turbo Diesel Hyundai Santa Fe, primarily for the slightly bigger boot and have an Isuzu MUX 3.0T Diesel with increased fuel tank for proper 4wding.
@@Greg.K.C. After nearly 3 years the Sportage 2016 diesel ...only cost are the Tyres her in NZ , I bought last year the 2019 Sorento 2.2 diesel 4 WD ...very nice Car plenty of power nicer suspension then the Sporty Sportage , ideal for the crappy roads in NZ ...we just put 4 new Continental Tyres on . Kia's are very reliable cars
@@KiaTaatje nice. Very Hard to go past the Kia AWD’s with the extras like front sensors and rear AC that you don’t always get on the Mid and lower level Hyundai’s with the same engines. I admit to preferring the exterior look of the Hyundai’, but very happy to have gone with the SLI Sportage over the same cost Tucson. Such a shame the new Sorento has gone with a Dual Clutch. I’m a low km second hand buyer, so will definitely be looking at the Sports Auto Sorento models and may well go one over the Santa-Fe depending on what’s available for the same money.
SavageGeese you were the reason I bought my 2011 KIA Sportage EX and I absolutely love it! I didn't even know about this car before this review and coming from a Subaru this car is amazing
Nice review! I own a 2016 CX5 and just drove the Sportage SX back to back with the 2017 CX5. I love the Mazdas. The 2017 interior and ride has been mostly nicely tweaked but the Kia really surprised me. The sales guy didn't come so I made my wife sign a waiver and beat the Kia to death for 30 min. Everything you said about the Kia transmission was evident but you are "in" the Sportage compared to "on" the CX5. I found the Kia handling to be better. Yeah the Kia plowed but so does the Mazda and I was pushing it harder than I ever would the Mazda into the corners. So Much Fun!!
+Felix engine I dont think the 2017 CX5 handles as well as the previous gen 2016.
With the new Sportage, Kia made a unique looking car that doesn't look anything else in the road, while still maintaining elegance. The 2013 - 2014 Toyota RAV4 was redesigned to look different for the sake of being different, without adding a touch of class. Even the 2016 RAV4 still looks hideous.
love your videos, so much quality
Beauty shots are on point brother, brilliant work !!! Damn, those Kia's are mighty impressive, loved the under pinnings of the vehicle, seems to be well built !!!
Good review man, keep up the good work !!!
ps : When will Hyundai / Kia come up with a good transmission ? That's what impedes on vehicle's performances and / or fun of driving.
I spit out my coffee laughing at that opening line. Well done
Darth Fader copied the juke in front and Dodge in back. There really is no original Kia or Hyundai. It's actually kinda sad to see such a copycat company actually succeed as much as it has. To me all the cars remind me of ones off of the GTA games. Like they're supposed to resemble real cars but they don't belong in reality.
I think you should install an electronic lift gate on your toilet
+Guillermo Monroy Make it the top comment please.
+Guillermo Monroy No doubt, wait 30 seconds before I can commit
+savagegeese Would you get this or the CX-5 for the same money?
+TBE Cherry Picker I'd take CX-5 over it, but its not a huge margin.
savagegeese Thanks
Kia is better than Nissan
@Jaciee87 um, actually not.....suggest you do your resarch.....www.autonews.com/sales/genesis-kia-hyundai-again-rank-highest-jd-power-quality-scorecard www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2018/06/20/man-bites-dog-korean-brands-genesis-kia-and-hyundai-top-quality-rankings/#5ca1cba923e5 www.wardsauto.com/technology/kia-hyundai-surpass-japanese-brands-initial-quality www.autotrader.com/car-news/kia-has-suddenly-become-one-most-reliable-car-brands-259590
kia brought in world class BMW and Audi engineers, now outranking the Japanese product in reliability, safety tests, road tests.....
nissan losing ground and mitsubishi now horrid,
@Jaciee87 are u aware of Toyota's engine recalls, and Nissans????? As I recall, Toyota had dangerous engine or transmission situation happening some years ago. Then, you have the continuing issues with VWs and with GM products and how Mitsubishi are now ranked lowest in quality/safety overall and Nissan has fallen so fart in quality and safety? Suggest again that you you do your research regarding safety histories, if you know how to research. I will bet you could not tell one engine from another if I placed 3 in front of you. Moreover, often, if there are recalls as MANY car manufacturers have, AHEM...they tend to be compartmentalized, in one region. There was a Kia recall somewhere in the US, I am in Canada so it did not affect me. A friend is a very high end engineer who has had a history of driving luxury vehicles, always drove Mercedes or BMW and now grudgingly admits Peter Schreyer and his fellow former Audi/ BMW team have so improved the Korean products that, as noted in the links I provided WHICH PRESENT FACTS, the Korean vehicles are beating out many Japanese vehicles. This coming from an Asian engineer. He drove two Kias to test drive and told me "wow, if you did not tell me what brand I was driving I'd have said Toyota or possibly Subaru, impressed". Do u know anything at all about engineering that you can make a claim about what is "junk?" What is your education? (I have almost my Masters) And what do you drive that is so superior? FYI, My last vehicle was Lexus RX 350 which drove like a dream BUT was gas guzzling, hard to park, blind spots and pricey to maintain, so I went with something smaller sportier and zero complaints.
I live in FL w zero hills and turns and bought my GF a 2017 Sportage SX Turbo AWD last Wednesday. She couldn't be happier.
12:46 that's the best depiction of a turbocharger in action that I've seen
Most people buy cars like these to get from point a to point b. They want comfortable, reliable low cost utility and a good warranty. Not many people buy these cars for handling and performance. They go to the dealer and buy what they need and what they can afford. That’s it.
2017 Sportage SX. So far, so great.
THE HITS
- New exterior design (what's wrong with emulating Porsche?)
- Handling, quietness
- Harmon Kardon sound system (Clari-Fi really works)
- Incredibly fast-working air conditioning (especially with this brutal summer)
- Auto liftgate (yes, ultimate in laziness, but still get a kick out of it)
- Interior lighting (very bright to these 61-year-old eyes)
- Peppy (i.e. turbo)
- Safety features (been loudly warned that I was about to change lanes into a semi)
THE MISSES
-Can't voice command a particular tune or artist (Must stop making USB flashdrives with 3,000 songs on them). Impossible to locate the Bowie tune I was in the mood to hear. Actually, voice recognition overall is marginal at best. Just try telling the nav system to take you to a specific address.
-Cheap plastic interior. Unless I want to put on slippers before I jump in the driver seat, guess I need to get use to scuff marks. I'm on my second bottle of Armor All protectant.
-Cheap floor mats. No logos on them...and quite thin material. (At least give us SX owners some cool, well-made mats).
WISH LIST
-Phone charger (Canadians get this on their Sportage...but not in the USA)
-Memory seats
-Steering/seat auto adjust when exit/entry (had it on my 2013 Optima and loved it).
-Better gas mileage (But hey - still paying $2.15/gallon - so not too bad for now)
OVERALL
Yes, sounds like I'm whining, but overall - I love my Sportage. Just pointing things out for 2018 model enhancements.
You have a FWD or AWD?
In my country this kia is to expensive to buy
I bought a used Sportage 2017 SX after listening to this review. I got sooooo much more for my money than I would if i'd gone for the Toyota Rav 4, CRV or the Mazda CX 5. I tested all of these vehicles and loved the sportier drive that the Sportage has. I felt the road more and didn't feel like I was driving a sofa.
Excellent reviews by Savage Geese. I'm very impressed with the information presented, the unbiased opinions and the production quality of the videos. a lot of work goes into these. Awesome work!
Just bought a 2017 Sportage SX! Was torn between a the 2016 VW Tiguan and the 2017 RAV4. The Kia Sportage felt like a good combination of both. We were only interested in the RAV4 because of reliability and maintenance cost. Super happy with finding a turbo option in an SUV
Your subscriber numbers are continually heading up. Awesome work!
+boxer2416 Nice to see some growth now and again.
After watching the forte review. I decided to try watching all kia from goose. According to goose, forte is a really good car. Then next kia review - he also said is another good car. I wonder if all kia are good cars
First let me say your reviews are the only ones i trust. Great videography as well. And thank you for reviewing mainstream vehicles BUT i noticed that you only review high end trims, can you start reviewing lower end trims as well, lets be realistic most people buy cheaper trims. Ty
love these vids cause u raise it up and talk about the under body
Your reviews are really really really stunning. I am mean dude. The music and filming is sublime and of course the content of the review. Your approach to the content is great and the Turbowski tops it all off. You have a great think going. You should be on Top Gear. You would make the show great again. You are a very talented individual and I wish you all the success. Super Job!!!
+GeminiNite Wow thanks for the kind words thats way too nice. Glad you like the work, there is a ton of time that goes into it. But of course everyone says that.
I live in New Zealand and bought a new Sportage turbodiesel last year. It's the best vehicle I've ever owned. So much performance (400 Nm or 295 ft-lb of torque) and great economy (33 USmpg). A great vehicle. I've done 23,000 miles over 18 months and it hasn't put a foot wrong. Comfortable and refined. Definitely worth a look if you're in the market for a mid sized SUV.
Honest review, appreciated!
I hope the Veloster Turbo gets this same setup in 2018 with all the bugs worked out of the engine and suspension. Great videos as always!
What a fabulous review, I liked that.
We've been living with a 2016 '66 Kia Sportage GT-Line for the past two weeks and you're right about when the honeymoon period ends all the quirks start to raise their head. The fake leather stitching everywhere, and every time I get in there's some piano black plastic to buff up. What grinds my gears however is the cheapness of the centre console elbow rest. Always creaks under any amount of elbow pressure. It's actually going back to the garage to have this looked at. Unless the fan on is high or music, it's really annoying.
I was also expecting the GT-Line to have auto boot release and panoramic glass roof, but no. Maybe should have taken the KX4? Dunno.
Just too many negatives in this review that incorporated personal bias. You are very right about the turbo. Every competition in this class and in sedans has "cheap" materials here and there, which is why they are charging 20-30K and not 60K if they have all soft materials throughout. Buttons - no one wants Cadillac style interior infotainment or no-volume button Honda's. Safety tech - yes that is why all of these higher trims cost what they do. Should mention this in all reviews and not just this. This is what is demanding consumers regardless of whether all this tech will be worthwhile in few years. I am with you on that but just to mention this if one has no other negatives is not being truthful to a professional review.
Great review... you answered so many questions I had about the 2017 Sportage that I didn't find in other reviews... great job thank you! !
I regret getting my 2009 sportage. Hopefully they are truly better.
this is the best review that i've seen on this vehicle. i'm thinking about buying one for a summer daily/winter car because it's a bit quirky but also blends in with all the other cars on the road.
Wow I'm blown away by the dept of this review just a awesome job one of the best I've ever seen good job.
What do you like better the Kia Sportage or the Hyundai Tucson?
Yes.
I love my Kia 2018 Sportage.
I'm gonna take my Kia Sport-Ahge, and drive it to Tar-Jay"
+Ronnie Trinidad Tarjay is elite
My friend calls it "The Red Circle Boutique"
@@savagegeese with all due respect, are you an engineer and allluding to Kia as being totally downmarket is nasty and very wrong though it would have been correct 30 yrs ago.Kia is now beating out various Japanese products in crash/safety tests, reliability, features and I highlly doubt that Forbes, Fortune, JPower, Consumer Reports and many, many more sources you can find if you simply google "Korean vehicles versus Japanese" are incorrect. The Kia Telluride has beaten out the longstanding Toyota Highlander (or it may have been the Pilot, not sure which) in various surveys and in reading many consumer opinions, people are very impressed, similarly with the little forte and the SUVs. What do u drive? I drove Lexus RX 350 and also drove Kia (and GM back in the day when the products were good) and fyi, had zero issues with either though the Kia was smaller, smaller tank, etc. etc. I actually had the Lexus in more for servicing than I did the Kia, believe it or not. All that said, brands I'd not touch would be Mitsubishi, Nissan (now) GM (which was once great and it was nice to buy N.American) Chrysler , VW or money pit BMW/Mercedes, why do u suppose u see so many of THOSE for sale CHEAP at non luxury dealerships??. Acura, Infiniti also have gone down as luxury brands... Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Kia/Hyundai, Subaru, Lexus (Toyota) Audi all good brands, IMO .....if I wanted new luxury SUV I'd go Lexus or Audi. But there just is not much wrong with buying a newer Kia
The old days, when the reviews had more enthusiastic explanations!
A savage goose is king of the deadpan!
what!!!! i love the interior...
Brilliant review so helpful and interesting to watch, the greatest reviewer I've ever seen
Hi(from Australia), just curious as to whether or not you are able to do a review on the CRV? Been watching the channel for a while and haven't noticed any yet. Thanks for all the quality vids, so good btw!
I think that is what's hamstringing Mazda . They need to offer the 2.5 turbo in the CX5 .Honda and Toyota with their huge market share doesn't need to offer different options but for Mazda to increase their market share to me it's a no brainer
this is the only cuv with the said turbo power in its class so people who want a bit of fun with power + cuv needs makes most sense.
Seriously, do you guys live in Siberia? It seems like there is low light and cold weather every time you open your video. Reminds me of of my youth in Canada!
+10tenman10 Midwest, weather is so inconsistent. Hot/cold nasty nice.
Goose, great review. I have been going through a lot of your old reviews just because I truly enjoy watching them. You reviewed quite a few Hyundai and Kia's over the last few years, but missed the Sorento. Any chance you can get your hands on one. I would love to hear your thoughts on the the Sportage's big brother. Thanks.
Dang, great reviews!
When this generation first came out, I got into it and I thought "wow, this is good, feels good, presents very well". And then I asked what spec is it and when he said it was the base model, I responded "no way".
At least they didn't chrome everything. The satin finish looks so much better than chrome, only question would be is it aluminum or is it just plastic. The inserts in the 2015 vw jetta with the satin finish feels like metal and looks really nice.
Nice review, but in 14:46 the exhaust doesn't go to the compressor, it goes to the turbine which drives the centrifugal compressor that compress the air.
I rarely make any comments on youtube videos, but i think its time i make one :) love your videos. Keep doing what u do , simple honest videos. Say our hi to turbowski from north Carolina.
Long-time viewer, first-time commenting.
Love your reviews. Any chance you can get your hands on either a 2016 Challenger SRT 392 or Scat Pack? I know Turbowski would appreciate it too.
+MN saint If it makes it in the fleet I will for sure. Thanks for commenting on the video.
+MN saint If it makes it in the fleet I will for sure. Thanks for commenting on the video.
+savagegeese Thank you and keep up the good work. I've recommended your channel to my friends!
First of all - impressive and thorough review. Nice camera work and editing. I just ordered one of these (and its been 5-6 weeks, with no delivery date in sight.) Why?
I like the looks of it. I don't care if it's a hybrid of Macan and Tribeca. It's different than the other small SUVs. The Honda CRV hasn't realy changed its look in over 10 years. The RAV4 is better but the 2016 (especially in white) looks like a Star Wars' stormtrooper's helmet, and the Subaru Forester is about as plain looking as can be. I gotta admit the Mazda CX-5 has looks appeal, but I have had two Mazdas and they were problematic and expensive to fix.
And it's an SUV - to get me through the deep snows of Upstate New York. Sure, I'd love to get an Audi, Infiniti, Acura, Porsche or Lexus SUV - but I ain't in that 1% club. For the money (
+Rick Cieply And you just explained perfectly why the Sportage works so well. I think you will like it. When you take delivery and get some miles on it update us on what you think?
Fantastic review. Really appreciate lift walk also, definitely a deciding factor. Thinking the logic for the side only rear seat lowering is the head rest clearance may need to be adjusted, if the front seat is further back. Does it have a full spare or donut?? Spare tools also?
Thanks again, instant subscribe ✊😎
I prefer the light from hid over led as well.
This is a GREAT review...I'll encourage others to watch your videos
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Here in Europe (Serbia) I have 1.7 turbo diesel and everything you said is the thrue for this engine also. I watched your review few time, and I am suprised how you are right.
Hi Mr Goose,
Thanks for another good review. I am considering buying either a mid-size SUV or a hatchback this year. In Europe the Sportage and Tucson are available in 1.6litre T, not the 2 litre. I know the Tucson you tested was equipped with a 1.6litreT, so my question is: Would you recommend going for a 4wd option on the Sportage with that engine? Winter where I live has light snow fall, so may not justify the 4wd option, although Kia seem to charge not that much more for the 4wd option. Is the extra maintenance and fuel consumption worth it in terms of improved grip and handling?
Thanks
Such a great overall SUV. I just wish it didn't have a B9 Tribeca front end. Ruins it for me.
The Adventure Mazda At first I stepped back. In five minutes I gave it the thumbs up.
i really like your style. videography is excellent as well
Love the Hyundai Tucson, great review. Thanks for sharing!
A little over 9 months and I absolutely love my Sportage. Just doesn't come with radar cruise :(
You know, and I'm totally not saying this to you to insult you in any way, but the Ford Escape Titanium has adaptive cruise control and I've been a fan and studying it for about 2 years now VERY intensely but the Sportage SX trim is without that option and the self parking option as well and that to me is fairly unimportant. The Sportage offers everything else the Escape Titanium trim offers plus cordless, inductive cell phone charging, what I think is a rocking interior, and a kickass manufacturer's warranty
This is true. I really loved the Escape, but the price was just way too out of my price range.
Agreed. With most of the options, a better warranty, and many add ons on the Sportage, it's still a much better value than the Escape Titanium :) .
Excellent review, thanks man!
Such a chill review, thanks.
I've rented this and the previous iteration. I loved the previous iteration but people complained it was too "jittery", which I take to be "no understeer dialed in". This version seems dynamically softer - too bad. Will say that both do OK off road with a locking diff and hill handling. Took a loong desert run and even though the front end was plowing sand, it never stopped. Too bad they can't put on a real skid plate.
Would you buy the 2017 Tucson Sport or the 2017 Kia Sportage EX?? Thank you, your reviews are prime 👍🏽
In the future can you please let us know what the as tested price is? I am thinking between 32 to 35k for your test car. Competitive but I would give up the hp and go with a CX5. A really nice one can be had for 30k.
nice.. i really like your detailed driving review. any chance you'll be reviewing a boring CR-V? Maybe almost as many features, but not quite as plastic-y (or maybe so?), and very interested in your driving review.. perhaps not quite as peppy but maybe a better feel overall?
Please review the 4Runner! PLEEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
4:18 I have many things I can point out but I am only going to watch to this point. That is the air dam that pushes the air down so the plastic under the car flows fast and past everything... That is not skid plates under there. It is semi hard plastic to cut down drag causing it to have a better (say it with me) aerodynamic flow... causing better fuel economy.
So exactly WHICH vehicle in this class do you prefer?
I'm torn between the Sportage and the CX5...leaning toward the Mazda.
Hi Sava
I consider petrol 2.4 or turbo diesel which is better performance , smother and fun to drive if forget about fuel economic. Thank for your advice
I dont get the Subaru Tribeca b9 look they are using.
Best review if seen so far
This car looks like it just saw my grandma naked..
Aaron Knoll agreed, so ugly
i'll never understand that, looks fine to me and not a carbon copy like other suvs
@@aternialaffsalot this is not a SUV. You prat. It's a milf Carrier. Look at it. Hideous af
great video man, I don't like the front end. But being different is what sells. oh yeah I love your videos
+Contane 21 Thanks glad you are enjoying it.
I agree that piano black does not serve as a good backsplash for center stack controls. It already looked dusty. The 2013 Escape i leased had it below the touchscreen, right where my thumb and other three fingers rested while I was using it.
Great review.
Be curious to see a side by side suspension comparison with this and a renegade. The Kia's components just look so small and thin. Like something would bend if you hit a moderate pothole.
I agree that I would like to see the AWD system in there Sonata 2.0T. Would make the vehicle much more appealing.
Sportage 2016, CX-5 2016 or Rav 4 2016? Planning to buy one of these brand new.
Love the discourse with Turbowski under the lift with the pregnant pauses!
17 sportage ex 16 toyota rav4 xle which one you would choose ?
Is that a real mechanic? by his lack or useless comments I have an impression that he only wipes the floor there
These two vehicles may not be an obvious match up, but thanks to a great potential lease offer one they will be similar in price. I am on the fence between this Kia Sportage SX and an Infiniti Qx30 Sport. The Kia SX would offer AWD, a bigger screen with a more modern infotainment system (apple car play etc.), and slightly more horsepower than the Infiniti. However, the Qx30 grips the road like no other, I found it really fun to drive. Also, the Interior materials on the Infiniti are far superior in my opinion (minus the infotainment system). I have been in 2 different Jeep Grand Cherokee's over the past 8/9 years, so the Qx30 will be much smaller size-wise - although I really don't need the Grand Cherokee size these days. Any thoughts or input as to which I one I should go with would greatly appreciated! Thanks :)
Sportage as in "fromage", not "baggage" or "garbage". Next model they'll call it Spörtage, just to make it more upscale and European (remember Asüna by GM? Kill me now, please). Actually I pronounce it as I would "baggage" because the vehicle speaks for itself.
Ok joking aside, I bought this after test driving 20 or so vehicles to replace my daily driver, a Camry which I sold after 385,000 kms. In the 8 months it took to get through all those test drives, I drove my other car - an Audi S4 convertible as my daily driver. For those who do not know, that has a normally aspirated V8 with AWD. I'm saying all this so you know how I decided - I wanted something powerful because that's what I'm used to with the Audi, something as quiet at the Audi, something with the interior feel of an Audi, but something reliable because Audis and all German cars are not (I paid $10,000 to replace the 4 chains, and $2000 to fix a trunk latch). That's why the Sportage was my top pick. And given that I already drive a V8, as long as the next car I choose has a 4 cyl engine, I don't care much about fuel economy.
After 2 months of owenership and 4500km later, I can say without a doubt I am a very happy owner. It is almost the quietest, doesn't have any of that annoying indigenous Japanese design to it (ie: either like a Transformers or an Origami project) - looks European, and is the most powerful in its class. In fact, when Mark talks about pushing the car to 8 or 9 tenths of its limit, I - not being a track driver, don't do that and have never needed to... it gets really fast quickly and I am sure I'm not using even 6/10 of what it can do. Beyond that, I wouldn't have the skill to handle a car at that speed anyway without getting a hefty fine where I live. But when I was at the dealership, what was a big selling point when I got into the car was that I instantly recognized the interior design right away, an Audi S5 - no surprise there, probably the same guy (Peter Schrier) did it. Compare the Sportage interior st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/11/2017-Kia-Sportage-interior.jpg to the Audi S5 interior st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/11/2016-audi-s5-coupe-premium-plus-coupe-dashboard.png and you'll see the resemblance: a driver-centric business-styled interior. The interior also felt the widest in its class.
Now the negatives - I agree with Mark that the best mode is Eco mode where the pedal feel is natural. Everything else feels weirdly synthetic. The Sorento has exactly the same issue by the way. Putting the car in sport mode and the thing just leaps like a dumb pit bull on a leash. The transmission isn't great that is true, but it's not bad - not nearly as bad as the turbo lag in eco mode. Despite these problems, it just hauls so I can forgive it like you would a 90's Toyota Supra. Mark also complains about the cheap plastics, and the lower part of the car does have cheaper ones, but not any cheaper than every other car in its class. The mid and top pieces are good material quality. At least the interior feels solid and the components aren't flexing around like in the Mazdas. Overall this is a value-added but up-market result and I think they pulled it off well.
The notable CX-5 handles far better, the CX-3 was more fun even, but both suffered from having a tremendous amount of road and traffic noise (I love engine noise so that doesn't bother me) and the interior flexing all the time is intolerable, both these factors making for a daily driver to me is going to get annoying quickly.
Anyway, thanks to Savagegeese for another fine production. I watched this one I don't know how many times and it still remains entertaining.
very well said........are you still driving the Kia Sportage and if so, what are your thoughts? Kia still gets a bad rap, personally, I find the new designs to be daring, a little "out there" and with some flair whereas CRV, RAV4 and Forester getting dull looking. I like CX5, Audi and Lexus for luxury and yesssss, I LIKE Kia, got a 2018 EX in mineral silver as I'm a woman who does not need/want turbo. So far so good but its early days and I too agree about eco mode. Cheers.
btw, you are correct that Peter Schreyer, who is VP of Kia has been "instrumental" (bad pun) in the Kia designs. many have pointed that out but many have no clue
@@barbarajanesowak882 I drove it 3 years and traded it in for a much larger SUV (Honda Pilot). I knew I was making a compromise by going bigger in terms of handling and performance, but needed the space. I was happy with it until the last year when I noticed a marked increase in road noise in the cabin, and noisy cabins is something I really don't like. Other than that, it was a great vehicle. I also want to add that because of the change in cabin noise level over time, I did not opt for the Sorrento when I wanted something bigger. I figure the increase in noise level is something to do with some wearable parts, so I wasn't going to take the same chances again.
Oh one more thing... the AWD system is just superb. One winter I was stopped on a pretty steep uphill at a red light on a heavy snowy day. In front of me was a BMW X3. When the light turned green, the BMW spun all its tires and slid sideways almost into a ditch. I backed up to get out of its way, drove around it and up past it with zero slipping as though there wasn't two feet of snow on the ground.
@@apocalypznow the pilot is a great vehicle....too large for this single lady however.....safe travels.
Interesting how you seemed to really like the 2016 Kia Sorento in that review but found some issues with the handling and understeer and power delivery on the 2017 Sportage. In the Sorento review you were impressed how you were able to throw it around like a car. I believe you had the V6 in the Sorento. Would you say that the torque curve was more linear with the V6 in the Sorento and that's maybe why you liked it better? Perhaps the Turbo 4 cylinder in the Sorento would be similar in low end torque that is hard to gauge on throttle but the V6 being more linear in power delivery. Did you also find the interior plastics to be better in the Sorento than the Sportage?
The Sorento is better in almost all cases. V6 comfort, interior quality etc. The torque curve and drivability are better, but for certain the Sportage feels lighter on its feet. Does that answer?
ou sir have won a subscriber. Thank you for your insights.
One measure never really addressed (you allude to it) in most reviews is the tradeoff of more pep (torque and HP) for mileage. My feeling is that if the mileage is in the ballpark, give me power and acceleration every time.
please try to review the 2016 acura ilx with the 8 speed DC trans .. i think is a great car . but would love to know your/turboskys opinion on it .
Guys I need advice from you which of these cars should I go for? Honda crv Kia sportage Toyota rav4 thank you
well you do bring up all the down side of this car, it sounds bad, but that's exactly what journalism means. Good Job! 'subscribed'
Thank you, you see that the balance of having good and bad things to say.
This or CX5 which has the better handling and / or transmission
CX5 definitely better transmission, handling is slightly better on the CX5
savagegeese For those with limited budget, not paying the extra 5K for the top trims of both Sportage or CX-5. I found that the KIA May be a better value. After driving a BMW X1 for three years, the CX-5 transmission feels good and fun, but the layout of the infotainment, the UI, and the vol. on/off button down on the center console were poorly implemented in my opinion. That UI, and ergonomics of the center arm rest, six inches too far back for a person 5’ 8” on the CX-5 were the deal breaker for me. I will see if I enjoy the Sportage more. Have you tried both on snow? Which offers a better winter ride?
Scot is in a good mood this time
@SavageGeese....Which one is the best SUV/Mid Sized Crossover among the 2016/17 Kia Sportage, Hyundai Tucson, Mazda CX 5, Honda CRV, Nissan Rogue/X-trial, Chevy Equinox & Subaru Forester, when compared to each other taking in consideration their non-turbo engines???
+JaLaL aZiZ Current list is CX-5, Tucson, Sportage, RAV4
savagegeese...Thanks for your prompt reply. I have watched a lot of comparison videos for the Mid Size SUV category, but I didn't find the 2016 Subaru 2.5i Sport/Limited in them....What can be the reason?
The critics can complain about the look of the front end, or the poor gas mileage on this vehicle. But this current version of the sportage is selling like hot cakes for KIA. He (savagegeese) rates this after the cx-5 and Tucson (doesn't make sense). In my opinion this car blows away both vehicles (not just in a straight line), especially its sister vehicle the Hyundai Tucson. Put a ram air intake onto this motor and nothing in the affordable sub-compact suv touches the performance.
Did he just say that a turbo engine takes the exhaust gas, runs it through the inter-cooler and feeds it back to the intake?
seriously, the shoppe is the part of this show
thank you for making me "like" watching car reviews :)
they need the double clutch like the 1.6 Turbo on the 2.0 turbo.
+ROBERT GOUDREAU Agreed.
Great Resolution on your Video's
I love your videos but the turbocharger explanation was wrong. The exhaust gasses don’t get recycled.
Reused is probably a better term
I am bummed you didn't like this. Hoping to replace my wife's Rabbit with the SX AWD once she gets pregnant. I have been reading about it and it looks like they lost a good bit of acceleration... something like 1-1.5s to 60. The Tuscon 1.6T is actually faster but those have hella transmission problems with the DCT. Hyundai has come a long long way in a lot of important areas but they seem to rush out new tech before they figure it out.
+future62 Its not that I didnt like it just too many tradeoffs. You should still drive it, back to back with Tucson and CX-5. In your case despite DCT issues if you go new at least you dont have to worry for 100k.
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I'm kind of turned off from Mazda after having a '15 3 for a rental. It drove the same as a Golf TSI rental I had, but with no torque. So I'm kind of off the CX-5, unless they put that new 2.5T in. And the issues I've seen with the DCT are pretty scary- transmission pretty much going into neutral on the highway. Warranty won't help much with that....
+future62 I hear you. Give the Sportage a try then. Just keep in mind you get that immediate wow factor here from power can cloud your judgement, if you can live with the interior quirks you'd probably like it. I'd still say its number 2 or 3 on the list. Hard segment to fall in love with.