This is the very first time that I disagree with you. Floyd was walking forward in the high guard, did not throw any punches (for the first 3 rounds) and did not even attempt cut off the ring. Do you really believe that after a lifetime of boxing Floyd Maywhether does not know how to cut off the ring? It is extremely simplistic for you to boil everything down to an "arm length advantage" .... come on hatman, you are better than that. He was clearly carrying him to put on a show for the fans. This was nothing more than an exhibition match.
Folks can't ever be satisfied with Floyd. If he avoids shots and doesn't get hit, the fight is boring and he's not willing to engage. If he just comes forward and trades shots, he has no front foot game and is pressure skills are underdeveloped. He's walked Judah down, Gatti down, at times de la Hoya down, mosely down and Canelo down. The guy is 40. And he already said he wanted to give the fans a show. He can't win for losing
Pretty Boy Flizzy agreed. He literally carried McGregor from 1-4. Forget about this arm-length bs! He could of KO McGregor within those rounds easy. All about this front foot nonsense is laughable. Watch Mayweather fights Hatman Strike and watch him fight on the front foot!
Mateo Bang loool McGregor exposed Floyd now smh I don't entirely dissagree with the video but saying an mma fighter that didn't look too impressive exposed him at 40 years old is ridiculous loool
I feel Floyd carried McGregor through to the tenth. Floyd did say he was coming forward, Floyd did say he was gonna get hit with shots. He said that multiple times throughout his fight promo tour. So I disagree with you. It was part of his game plan. Floyd said it was not gonna go the distance. You're starting to sound like these casual boxing fans, if Floyd fought this guy or if Floyd fought that guy, he would have lost. Floyd hasn't fought those guys, so how do you know? Look I've been a longtime subscriber and have always enjoyed your vids but I disagree with you on this one.
Did you not see when he moved front on juda, gotti,ortiz, and diego corrales was 6 feet with longer arms than floyd....Dude your judging a 40 year old man that been of for 2 years..
mcgregor is 5'9 with a 74 in search (longer arms too). that's the same as erislandy lara. there's a reason why fmw held the 154 belts WBA and WBC 2 yrs and refused to fight lara but instead fought maidana. many, many know of fmw's reach game. that's why i kept my credit card in my pocket for all his ppvs.
You need to watch TONY PEP vs FLOYD MAYWEATHER, Tony Pep was 6' 2, and Floyd Mayweather WALK HIM DOWN, All Night Long!!! And Floyd was 21 years old, goin against a VETERAN, and Floyd did not have the longer REACH!
who noticed that floyd didnt cut the ring off. he would follow Mcgregor around the ring. almost made me feel he done it on purpose because im sure he knows better.
I'm sure Floyd could of made it a lot easier than he did. I truly believe he fought that style to please us all, he said it himself in the press conference. McGregor isn't a boxer so he didn't need to get on his bike or worry about devastating power. Personally I liked his performance and think letting McGregor punch himself out was part of the game plan. Floyd still number 1 p4p imo
The best defensive boxer ever doesnt have the skills to slip punches coming forward???? I humbly disagree, in most of floyds sparring footage he usually comes forward and pressures fighters without slipping. If i could come forward and pressure a fighter without worryig about his power i wouldnt waste energy slipping every punch. Floyd didnt respect his power and so to save energy, chose not to slip every punch but instead he tried to disrupt conors punches by parrying alot more
I see where you're coming from Hatman, but you also have to consider Floyd's age. Floyd has looked good on the front foot in the past. But at his age, his foot speed isn't where it used to be. Against Andrade now, I'd favor Andrade for sure, but say 5-6 years ago when he had his foot speed, I'd favor Floyd. Not only would he be able to close the gap much quicker, he'd be able to avoid the shots coming at him on the way in. Against Tommy Hearns, it would be a very hard fight, but not one a prime Floyd couldn't win. He'd have to go through fire to get there, but Floyd does have the ability. Does he beat Hearns? Can't say for sure, but his pressuring performance against McGregor has a lot to do with not only McGregor's length but Floyd's decline in foot speed due to his age.
That's exactly the way I saw it! I think Conor has a 2 inch reach advantage. Floyd realised quite early that the arm length was a problem, he was getting caught early with flicking jabs and was falling short with his own counters. This was the only way he was going to win the fight.
fair comment, I think theres an aspect where you play to your level of opposition, train to that level, takes a good opponent to bring out the best in you. Plus hes an old man right? 40 years old. He did get caught with some shots he shouldnt have been getting hit with, that Im sure he didnt want to get hit with, there was some sloppy work going on and Im sure all these things played a factor to some extent. One things for sure, McGregor didnt have the tools to exploit it, sure he landed the shots but what damage did they inflict?
To be honest he didnt really need to, floyd was just lighting him up with straight right hands, i think vs a better fighter he would have been doing more of that.
Welterweight and then Middle Paul the Punisher Williams had the same reach as Vitality Klitschko 79" . . . That's one of the reasons Floyd avoided him . . Also hit like a mule too . . . That's another reason
Floyd changed his style to make the fight interesting and competitive. If he would have used movement and angles it would have been another easy whitewash against the out classed McGregor. He said before the fight that he would walk Conor down and give the fans a good show.
Brother , I thought you was smarter than this. He is 40 years old and no where near his peak. Where was these other boxers you're talking about at 40 years old.Hearn, Leonard.. at 40. Check Corrales, ndou, Oscar fights. Taller. Longer guys. Real talk, I respect you but he's damm40. Am unsubscribing.. cause you would never judge any other fighter at 40. Like you're trying to judge Floyd at 40. Let's see Andrade at 40 lol
Jermaine83 Your spot on bruh at 40 yrs old all the above named guys we're DONE . FMJ could be 50 years old and win a fight barely and his career would be a fluke is some ppl eyes idk why ppl want to see him lose so badly .
Chezzamaine it's mad cause they find so many negatives on Floyd yet don't discredit other fighters this much. No joke. I find it mind boggling. Has he seen a prime Floyd against opponents that were much bigger than him and longer reach, yet he chooses a 40 year old Floyd, 20pounds smaller than his opponent, decided to just play around and he uses this performance to state his claim that Floyd would lose against all time greats. Well let's compare those all time greats at 40 years old also then. Even at 38 they were a shadow of themselves. Personally I think it's a deeper issue when it comes to Floyd. Yet other boxers who have no where near the resume Floyd has get away with murder. Strange. They'll probably divert my argument and call me a "fanboy" or other gay stuff but what can you expect from this ignorant era. Lol.
I understand your point but Floyd did not respect what Conor had to offer so did not need to be dynamic in his walking him down strategy. As soon as he stepped it up he stopped Conor. You can see Mayweather in his younger days showed glimpses of how good he was on the front foot..
Floyd said in a interview that he was going to pressure Connor, that he learned from the Manny fight about giving morevof a show.Floyd could've dropped Connor in the 3rd if he wanted to. Connor found out the difference MMA power and Boxing power. Connor showed no power, he was just tapping his jabs.
I don't think the reach was the issue, Conor is just not experienced and doesn't have the skill set at domestic level let alone world/elite level. Conor had a weight and reach advantage but what good is that if you don't know how to use it? With that logic anyone with a size advantage could just turn up and have a chance then. This match was a joke lets be clear here, Floyd was in no risk at all in losing easiest payday of his life with little risk just the way he likes things. I agree that Hearns would have smashed him to pieces as He would hit way too hard for Floyd to try to come in close. Would have a an interesting fight at 154!
It wasn't the arm length. It was his strategy. He didn't respect mcgregor's power even though he was outweighed by 20 lbs . Mcgregor's best shots Floyd laughed off. It has 0 to do with arm length. Also Mayweather is much older. He clearly lost his speed, but his accuracy is still intact. I could understand if Mcgregor was much much longer but the reach discrepancy is only minimal. He's 40 . Stop acting like Mcgregor is a football player or a basketball player. You can't blame Mayweather for the fact that the top during his reign weren't 6ft tall. You're over analyzing a stoppage by someone with so called 'brittle hands'
Good video hatman but you're making the assumption that should floyd have fought a hearns or Andrade, he would have had to walk his opponents down and apply pressure which is not necessarily true. There are alternative ways of negating arm length by using your defence and landing effective counter shots, as opposed to coming forward as you say. Good video nonetheless
Ken A Tyson and Duran often had shorter arms than their opponents. But they had the offensive skills to get that job done. It was their style. Hatman mentioned all this in the video, did you not listen to that part?
He changed his style because: 1)He could afford to walk McGregor down since the guy has 0 pro boxing experience 2)Doesn't have the legs or reflexes to earn a dominant decision victory. 3)He knew he was breaking Marciano's record against a guy who didn't deserve it, so to compensate he fought an aggressive fight so people would remember the 50th win being an entertaining one.
He's 49 -0. WTF guys, you cant give a fight against a guy (whos never boxed before) with the same credence as a fight against say Manny Cotto or Castillo or Coralles! This fight was atrocious! McGregor's punches were embarrassing. Zero technique to be admired from either fighter on display. Can we just finally forget about this absolute SHITSHOW of a fight and look forward to what we have all been waiting for: CANELLO v GGG. Good points made Hatman. Interesting stuff.
Sorry mate think you're wrong here. You honestly think that after mcgregor started to tire mayweather was giving 100 percent? Mayweather was playing with him, and if it was a legitimate opponent we would have seen him concentrate and give his all.
This is why I believe out of all the the best boxers around mayweathers division (duran, Chavez, Leonard, hearns, Pernell) I think Hearns is his worst possible match up
I been saying these things for a long time but range and movement used correctly are fucking almost unbeatable, mike Tyson and joe frazer went against the grain in a big way but for the most part this is the reason why so many fighters drain themselfs down so they can have these attributes. Tyson fury klitschko Lennox Lewis Larry Holmes set the standard for using height reach and good footwork effectively
If he was in there with a Demetrius Andres he would not have fought that way.... he stood there vs maidana first fight..... he fought for to toe with cotto like he said he would......... you sound crazy.........
The points you make in this video require way too much speculation due to the unique circumstances surrounding the maymac circus freakshow. Floyds age; his inactivity; Conor's lack of pedigree and unorthodox style; collectively, there was just too much about this fight that sets it apart from a legit pro boxing match that you can use it to make sweeping claims about a perceived weakness in Floyds game.
canelo was to young and drained....mosley was old and no jab.....cotto was in his brain damaged era.....floyd cherry picked every guy he faced at the right time for him not the fans...and floyd was on performance-enhancing drugs for most of his fights and made sure the opponent was clean and rigged gloves,refs,judges
Hands of Stone shut up dude, i guess Floyd is the only one who's always in tip top shape no matter the circumstances... Stop repeating the same excuses over and over again...
I strongly disagree Hatman he is 40 I'm surprised at you bro. I'm sure you've seen all his fights even the old ones he was very aggressive and not as defensive in the later stage of his career
you beat me to it, floyds front foot game is nice! lol hes not always gonna do it but when he can he will. and conor was the clearly the perfect guy to keep walking to, he couldnt dent floyd with anything he landed and he was draining energy with each shot and floyd knew it. still decent effort by conor he gassed quickly after 6 rounds
HatmanStrikesBack, you forget to say that you saw a 40 years old man in the ring. Just like Andre Berto who also said Floyd doesn't hit hard, no power, no this and that. Why you guys don't talk about the 19 to 28 years old Floyd??? When you check on Floyd's fights between age 19 to 28 years old I bet you will rethink of whatever you are saying. Why can't you compare him to all those who fought at age 35 to 40 before him? From Joe Louis' era to Roy Jones' era.
Without the skills he developed and strategy employed, Floyd's arm length advantage wouldn't matter much. Sounds like he made the most of what was available to him. I realize you didn't suggest this but Floyd I doubt chose his opponents based on their shorter arm lengths. I suspect that for his height he has long arms and faced 50 opponents with the exception of McGregor where his arms were slightly to a inch or two longer. What I am disappointed about is there is little said about all the promises and boasts that McGregor made concerning what he was going to do. Had Floyd made similar boasts and fallen short he'd never hear the end of it yet McGregor gets a pass. McGregor duped a lot people out of their money. He was a hype job who got exposed. His rabid fans claimed he possessed a mythical power punch the likes of which Floyd had never felt and had a chin strong enough to withstand kicks to the face. This malarkey wasn't believed by those who saw Nate Diaz in their first fight take McGregor's punches and land a flush punch to his chin that led to him tapping out. McGregor fanned the flames of unjustified animus against Black fighters that exists and parlayed it upwards to possibly $100M. As P T Barnum is reportedly to have said, 'There's a sucker born every minute.' A lot of suckers just gave away their money betting on McGregor against one of the best fighters of his era. They bought the hype. I suspect you would agree that there's no single boxer who is the best in all facets of the sweet science. Floyd is a skilled counter puncher. As such, he carried the fight to McGregor, a non-boxer, and carried him into the second half of the fight where he, as expected, put a beating on him that led to the fight's stoppage. Floyd is to be congratulated for leaving the sport on his terms, undefeated, one of the best boxers of his era, and the highest grossing boxer ever. Bravo!
fair points hatman, I agree if he was in against a serious guy and he fought them this way they would have beat him up. Floyd picks his fights, some people say cherry picks, I wouldnt argue that with them, but I think he knew people wanted to see him come forward and fight a more exciting fight, and he knew McGregor was a guy where he could fight like this and get away with it. Not the only reason for taking the fight or fighting in this way, but a factor. I dont think he would have taken the fight if he was against a guy of this size who could actually punish him for mistakes.
I always thought Hearns would beat Floyd but the Conor fight don't really change my opinion on his pressure game. Prime Floyd did well pressuring Judah with a similar arm length but Hearns is a whole different animal, I don't think anyone at 147/154 can outpoint him, it's either knock him out or lose.
What about Diego corrales wasn't he at least 6ft and look at the way he dismantled him. Floyd just fought that way for the fans so they don't complain. Don't you get why he was wearing a ski mask he was committing a robbery in front of millions.this great man has just ended a remarkable career undefeated and your concerned how he looked coming forward tut tut tut.
trog lodyte he wasn't turning his back, McGregor was trying to pivot and come round the side & Floyd could see it coming & just moved in the same direction with him resulting in Conor being behind him.
But an actual longer guy with legitimate good boxing skills like andrade or Lara yh that would give him some problems but in this fight Floyd's feet weren't even sharp he just didn't need them lol
Mans that know boxing been knowing this already. Younger/lighter floyd with legs stands more of a chance although he'd then be to small for the guys mentioned IMO. Floyd got crazy skills and attributes but at some point the size difference negates the skill gap (which is why there are weight classes). Especially when length is a major part of your game
Did I even talk about Mayweather boxing IQ? He is very smart in the ring. All I said was that Nelson is just delusionnal if he thinks Money is TBE xD. Why put words in my mouth that I didn't even mention???
Harambe realise that is TBE Mr hit but don't get hit literally A master literally he can do it all He's not the most entertaining but the best aren't ( andre ward) it takes a man to realise what he is
I clocked floyds arms compared to Mcgregor at the weigh in/face off. Floyds arms was unusually long and almost down to his knees. Eye test to me showed floyds actual arm length was longer than Mcgregor. The bottom line when analyzing this fight is Floyd played with and carried a very raw clueless Mcgregor to please the fans and they fell for it.
Dude what are you talking about ? Floyd didn't have an issue with mcgregor. He stood right in front of him and let him get off. That's why he supposedly was hit so many times allegedly hit I should say
I've noticed that many years ago Floyd does not know how to fight coming forward. Notice that whenever he has an opponent on the ropes he always step back and let the opponent get back in the middle of the ring.
d obianuli That's not going forward far as pressuring ppl on ropes or ducking under punches to get inside. I fight very well. I know more bout boxing than most. Mayweather can't fight if he has an opponent on the ropes or if he has to get past a jab or long reach.
Floyd has destroyed all types of fighters. I think his toughest fights were against shorter, stronger fighters. Floyd is just a small man, in reality. Fought in the Olympics below 126. Began pro at 130. Probably grew to a natural 140, at best. So, yes, many talented, much naturally bigger, longer fighters could beat him. Floyd's length, when in his favor, probably no more of a factor than when he's had a length disadvantage. Either way, he won them all.
He beat 6"2 Tony Pep on UD. He would have beaten Duran, Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard in his prime. The highest boxing IQ I've ever seen a boxer display in the squared circle. Even more intelligent than Willy Pep and Benny Leonard. Born for greatness. Don't hate, appreciate.
Martijn M Tony Pep, a guy who already had 6 losses before he fought Mayweather. Are you seriously comparing this guy to an ATG like Hearns? That doesn't make sense. Also, when someone criticises a fighter or points out weaknesses that he has, it doesn't make that person a hater. It sounds like you're emotionally invested in that fighter.
Just addressing the point that Mayweather supposedly would struggle with longer opponents. Of course Pep was leagues away from Hearns. But Mayweather completely nullified Pep's reach advantage. The thing with Floyd is that he will always find a way to win. He adapts his skill set to the guy he boxes. That's why he never touched the canvas in the first place. He would probably slip and counter Hearns with body shots for 12 rounds. Too slick, too skilled.
Martijn M You said that Pep was leagues away from Hearns, yet you claim that Mayweather would still defeat Hearns easily, as if it were a walk in the park. So you're basically saying that Mayweather is invincible.
Nah there's other ways to fight guys that fight at range he could've outboxed him but as MCgregor is rangy it would've been more difficult to get the stoppage don't think Floyd couldn't have moved and pot shotted him to death as MCgregor just isn't that advanced as a boxer u can tell this as Floyd hardly threw any jabs
love your unbiased opinions hatman but have to totally disagree on this one... there are just too many factors wrong with your point... flyod is 40 retired for 2 yrs and looked so bad in this fight on so many aspects of his performance reach and arm length was the least to talk about... he wasn't even cutting off the ring against mcgregor, a basic skill set for him... by your logic because he didn't do it in this fight he couldn't have cut the ring against previous opponents or previous greats?... he had lttle to no defence in this fight, does that nagete the fact that he is argueably the best defensive fighter of all time?... he was throwing horrible looking punches out of position with bad timing or flat out not throwing when he was in position and not punishing conor when he had clear shots (look at the finish of the fight no skills on display no body shots when they were begging to be taken, just mad wild head haunting)... again does that mean he can't have done those against the greats? and if so how the hell has he got to this point of being an all time great. i think flyod carried him and left half his skill set at home, had no respect for him and yeh conor's reach but i think more of his awkwardness made him switch styles... i just don't believe this fight is credible enough to draw conclusions on how he would have done against greats with longer reach... we've seen floyd come forward in spots plenty of times mostly after he has his opponents hurt does he ever look this bad going forward.... p.s don't call me a fan boy i'm a fight fan just like you, and just because you are ubiased doesn't mean you are right about everything... i'm still a fan of your channel keep up the good work
psalm clu I completely agree with you and on top of the reach and arm length if you have a long reach you also have longer arms, so I'm not to sure what he's saying because if you reach is 85cm that's how long you arm is
psalm clu good comment. Specially about fun boy.....😂😂 I agree with you that mayweather looked terrible and old but he didn't had to look better against macgregor. Conor don't have boxing brain.
He is 50-0 too late for all this but if talk....... Besides how the hell do you know what pecentage of his oponents reach over floyds career is arm/shoulder? Apart from the eye test it aint possible, B - HaveYoSelf....
Corrales (RIP) had longer arms and also longer reach than mayweather!!!! . Mayweather was also more aggressive in his early fights. Also hearns is a much bigger fighter (frame).
lara is 5'9 with 74'' reachs same mcgregor. he would have tore through that high guard. then again, we know why fmw stayed away from that fight with the 154 belts for two years. : )
No Hatman he carried Conor for 9 rounds. When he turned up the heat it was game over simple. He wanted to make it exciting
Floyd walked zab Judah down Philly shell though. He did not respect McGregor bro.
A young Mayweather would beat all those guys he mentioned
Completely disagree. Floyd would have found a way to win he has way too much in his Arsenal
agreed, great fighters always adapt, its what makes them great.
This is the very first time that I disagree with you. Floyd was walking forward in the high guard, did not throw any punches (for the first 3 rounds) and did not even attempt cut off the ring. Do you really believe that after a lifetime of boxing Floyd Maywhether does not know how to cut off the ring? It is extremely simplistic for you to boil everything down to an "arm length advantage" .... come on hatman, you are better than that.
He was clearly carrying him to put on a show for the fans. This was nothing more than an exhibition match.
That could be possible. Do you have a link to the article?
Tommy's stamina would of failed against Floyd.
Folks can't ever be satisfied with Floyd. If he avoids shots and doesn't get hit, the fight is boring and he's not willing to engage. If he just comes forward and trades shots, he has no front foot game and is pressure skills are underdeveloped.
He's walked Judah down, Gatti down, at times de la Hoya down, mosely down and Canelo down.
The guy is 40. And he already said he wanted to give the fans a show.
He can't win for losing
He done it to entertain the fight he was carrying the fight!
If he could have entertained, applied pressure, without getting hit as much- he would have done it.
Pretty Boy Flizzy agreed. He literally carried McGregor from 1-4. Forget about this arm-length bs! He could of KO McGregor within those rounds easy. All about this front foot nonsense is laughable. Watch Mayweather fights Hatman Strike and watch him fight on the front foot!
Mateo Bang He done it to entertain the fans don't u think he would be boring if Conor didn't even hit him
Mateo Bang even nate Diaz and de la Hoya said mayweather won't even trying the 4rounds
Mateo Bang loool McGregor exposed Floyd now smh I don't entirely dissagree with the video but saying an mma fighter that didn't look too impressive exposed him at 40 years old is ridiculous loool
Hatman been banging the 'Lara beats Mayweather' drum for years.
Hes a real fan.
I feel Floyd carried McGregor through to the tenth. Floyd did say he was coming forward, Floyd did say he was gonna get hit with shots. He said that multiple times throughout his fight promo tour. So I disagree with you. It was part of his game plan. Floyd said it was not gonna go the distance. You're starting to sound like these casual boxing fans, if Floyd fought this guy or if Floyd fought that guy, he would have lost. Floyd hasn't fought those guys, so how do you know? Look I've been a longtime subscriber and have always enjoyed your vids but I disagree with you on this one.
Did you not see when he moved front on juda, gotti,ortiz, and diego corrales was 6 feet with longer arms than floyd....Dude your judging a 40 year old man that been of for 2 years..
mcgregor is 5'9 with a 74 in search (longer arms too). that's the same as erislandy lara. there's a reason why fmw held the 154 belts WBA and WBC 2 yrs and refused to fight lara but instead fought maidana. many, many know of fmw's reach game. that's why i kept my credit card in my pocket for all his ppvs.
You need to watch TONY PEP vs FLOYD MAYWEATHER, Tony Pep was 6' 2, and Floyd Mayweather WALK HIM DOWN, All Night Long!!! And Floyd was 21 years old, goin against a VETERAN, and Floyd did not have the longer REACH!
That's the point though. Floyd needs to change his style against rangy fighters, to one that's not his A game.
Floyd's game plan was to walk him down from round 1. He genuinely wanted to give the spectators a toe to toe fight for his last bout.
who noticed that floyd didnt cut the ring off.
he would follow Mcgregor around the ring. almost made me feel he done it on purpose because im sure he knows better.
Aaron Dubles he didn't want him to rest on the ropes.
I'm sure Floyd could of made it a lot easier than he did. I truly believe he fought that style to please us all, he said it himself in the press conference. McGregor isn't a boxer so he didn't need to get on his bike or worry about devastating power. Personally I liked his performance and think letting McGregor punch himself out was part of the game plan. Floyd still number 1 p4p imo
The best defensive boxer ever doesnt have the skills to slip punches coming forward???? I humbly disagree, in most of floyds sparring footage he usually comes forward and pressures fighters without slipping. If i could come forward and pressure a fighter without worryig about his power i wouldnt waste energy slipping every punch. Floyd didnt respect his power and so to save energy, chose not to slip every punch but instead he tried to disrupt conors punches by parrying alot more
I see where you're coming from Hatman, but you also have to consider Floyd's age. Floyd has looked good on the front foot in the past. But at his age, his foot speed isn't where it used to be. Against Andrade now, I'd favor Andrade for sure, but say 5-6 years ago when he had his foot speed, I'd favor Floyd. Not only would he be able to close the gap much quicker, he'd be able to avoid the shots coming at him on the way in. Against Tommy Hearns, it would be a very hard fight, but not one a prime Floyd couldn't win. He'd have to go through fire to get there, but Floyd does have the ability. Does he beat Hearns? Can't say for sure, but his pressuring performance against McGregor has a lot to do with not only McGregor's length but Floyd's decline in foot speed due to his age.
I don't think there is much difference because McGregor is clearly wider yet his reach is only 2inch more. So I presume arm length is about the same.
That's exactly the way I saw it! I think Conor has a 2 inch reach advantage. Floyd realised quite early that the arm length was a problem, he was getting caught early with flicking jabs and was falling short with his own counters. This was the only way he was going to win the fight.
Im not sure how hard Floyd was trying so hard to say for sure
fair comment, I think theres an aspect where you play to your level of opposition, train to that level, takes a good opponent to bring out the best in you. Plus hes an old man right? 40 years old. He did get caught with some shots he shouldnt have been getting hit with, that Im sure he didnt want to get hit with, there was some sloppy work going on and Im sure all these things played a factor to some extent. One things for sure, McGregor didnt have the tools to exploit it, sure he landed the shots but what damage did they inflict?
Floyd barely threw a jab this fight. No way anyone should use this fight as an example for any hypothetical matchup.
Mayweather wasn't cutting the ring off very well, kept following McGregor.
Brandon u noticed that to
Thats called walking down, its to get the oponent to unload punches on you, look floyd was fighting at about 40% for the first 8 rounds.
Stephen Whitemore Yeah he was walking him down but I'm talking about when Conor was hurt and running away.
Conor was running away from him ground round 5
To be honest he didnt really need to, floyd was just lighting him up with straight right hands, i think vs a better fighter he would have been doing more of that.
Skills don't win fights people, long arms do
i know Hatman be reaching sometimes excuse the pun lol
Tizz lol
Welterweight and then Middle Paul the Punisher Williams had the same reach as Vitality Klitschko 79" . . . That's one of the reasons Floyd avoided him . . Also hit like a mule too . . . That's another reason
Floyd changed his style to make the fight interesting and competitive. If he would have used movement and angles it would have been another easy whitewash against the out classed McGregor. He said before the fight that he would walk Conor down and give the fans a good show.
50-0 lol keep hating. But it's all over. Hope the true fans enjoyed the ride
DBLOCKEXPRESS Who's hating?
How is he hating? He’s breaking down styles
Brother , I thought you was smarter than this. He is 40 years old and no where near his peak. Where was these other boxers you're talking about at 40 years old.Hearn, Leonard.. at 40. Check Corrales, ndou, Oscar fights. Taller. Longer guys.
Real talk, I respect you but he's damm40. Am unsubscribing.. cause you would never judge any other fighter at 40. Like you're trying to judge Floyd at 40. Let's see Andrade at 40 lol
You're unsubscribing because your boyfriends legacy is questioned? Man up FFS.
Christopher Hawker what's with gay comment. Relax yourself bros and get them thought out of your head. Waste man.
Jermaine83 Your spot on bruh at 40 yrs old all the above named guys we're DONE . FMJ could be 50 years old and win a fight barely and his career would be a fluke is some ppl eyes idk why ppl want to see him lose so badly .
Chezzamaine it's mad cause they find so many negatives on Floyd yet don't discredit other fighters this much. No joke. I find it mind boggling. Has he seen a prime Floyd against opponents that were much bigger than him and longer reach, yet he chooses a 40 year old Floyd, 20pounds smaller than his opponent, decided to just play around and he uses this performance to state his claim that Floyd would lose against all time greats. Well let's compare those all time greats at 40 years old also then. Even at 38 they were a shadow of themselves. Personally I think it's a deeper issue when it comes to Floyd. Yet other boxers who have no where near the resume Floyd has get away with murder. Strange. They'll probably divert my argument and call me a "fanboy" or other gay stuff but what can you expect from this ignorant era. Lol.
anthony purvis it's crazy..Lol @50. If he lost at that age, they would say he was overrated.mad ting !
Reach for McGregor is 74" McGregor was also 5'10"
Mayweather is 72" with 26" arm length and is 5'8"
Vernon Forrest would have done the same to Mayweather as he did to Mosley.
another duck for Floyd's tub collection
Mayweather walked Mosley down effectively.
He didnt look good against mcgregor, hes 40 tho
I understand your point but Floyd did not respect what Conor had to offer so did not need to be dynamic in his walking him down strategy. As soon as he stepped it up he stopped Conor. You can see Mayweather in his younger days showed glimpses of how good he was on the front foot..
Floyd said in a interview that he was going to pressure Connor, that he learned from the Manny fight about giving morevof a show.Floyd could've dropped Connor in the 3rd if he wanted to. Connor found out the difference MMA power and Boxing power. Connor showed no power, he was just tapping his jabs.
I don't think the reach was the issue, Conor is just not experienced and doesn't have the skill set at domestic level let alone world/elite level. Conor had a weight and reach advantage but what good is that if you don't know how to use it? With that logic anyone with a size advantage could just turn up and have a chance then. This match was a joke lets be clear here, Floyd was in no risk at all in losing easiest payday of his life with little risk just the way he likes things. I agree that Hearns would have smashed him to pieces as He would hit way too hard for Floyd to try to come in close. Would have a an interesting fight at 154!
Floyd is retired Hatman so it don't really matter.. He fought and beat the best fighters in his division, he's proven himself
Floyd said his plan was to wear him down.... And it worked
It wasn't the arm length. It was his strategy. He didn't respect mcgregor's power even though he was outweighed by 20 lbs . Mcgregor's best shots Floyd laughed off. It has 0 to do with arm length. Also Mayweather is much older. He clearly lost his speed, but his accuracy is still intact. I could understand if Mcgregor was much much longer but the reach discrepancy is only minimal. He's 40 . Stop acting like Mcgregor is a football player or a basketball player. You can't blame Mayweather for the fact that the top during his reign weren't 6ft tall. You're over analyzing a stoppage by someone with so called 'brittle hands'
Good video hatman but you're making the assumption that should floyd have fought a hearns or Andrade, he would have had to walk his opponents down and apply pressure which is not necessarily true. There are alternative ways of negating arm length by using your defence and landing effective counter shots, as opposed to coming forward as you say. Good video nonetheless
Indongo had longer arms than crawford. Crawford still countered and knocked out Indongo. This reasoning falls apart
Ken A Maybe Crawford has better offensive skills.
Ken A Tyson and Duran often had shorter arms than their opponents. But they had the offensive skills to get that job done. It was their style.
Hatman mentioned all this in the video, did you not listen to that part?
He changed his style because:
1)He could afford to walk McGregor down since the guy has 0 pro boxing experience
2)Doesn't have the legs or reflexes to earn a dominant decision victory.
3)He knew he was breaking Marciano's record against a guy who didn't deserve it, so to compensate he fought an aggressive fight so people would remember the 50th win being an entertaining one.
He's 49 -0. WTF guys, you cant give a fight against a guy (whos never boxed before) with the same credence as a fight against say Manny Cotto or Castillo or Coralles!
This fight was atrocious! McGregor's punches were embarrassing. Zero technique to be admired from either fighter on display. Can we just finally forget about this absolute SHITSHOW of a fight and look forward to what we have all been waiting for: CANELLO v GGG.
Good points made Hatman. Interesting stuff.
Sorry mate think you're wrong here. You honestly think that after mcgregor started to tire mayweather was giving 100 percent? Mayweather was playing with him, and if it was a legitimate opponent we would have seen him concentrate and give his all.
Ashley Page exactly
please dont make any comparisons based on Mcgergor, guy was a novice in there.
This is why I believe out of all the the best boxers around mayweathers division (duran, Chavez, Leonard, hearns, Pernell) I think Hearns is his worst possible match up
Mayweather would NOT get past Tommy Hearn's long jab....100% accurate....
saintcruzin 100% fantasy
Hatman, Tommy Hearns is a bloody middleweight! Floyd wouldn't fight him anyway!
And Diego Corrales was one of the most gangly boxers there was!
Hearns fought at welterweight for a quite a while prior.
Ben Nkromah hearns was a welter you tit
Ben Nkromah hearns was a welter you tit
Ben Nkromah CORRALES HAD A SHORTER REACH THAN MAYWEATHRR!
I been saying these things for a long time but range and movement used correctly are fucking almost unbeatable, mike Tyson and joe frazer went against the grain in a big way but for the most part this is the reason why so many fighters drain themselfs down so they can have these attributes. Tyson fury klitschko Lennox Lewis Larry Holmes set the standard for using height reach and good footwork effectively
If he was in there with a Demetrius Andres he would not have fought that way.... he stood there vs maidana first fight..... he fought for to toe with cotto like he said he would......... you sound crazy.........
this is the first time i disagree with you hatman. he has been 2 years off. and you have to rememeber pretty boy bot money.
He kept saying he wanted a dog fight to make up for the Pac fight
very good point i think your right mcgregor had the same prob with nate diaz
The points you make in this video require way too much speculation due to the unique circumstances surrounding the maymac circus freakshow. Floyds age; his inactivity; Conor's lack of pedigree and unorthodox style; collectively, there was just too much about this fight that sets it apart from a legit pro boxing match that you can use it to make sweeping claims about a perceived weakness in Floyds game.
Floyd fought Canelo, Mosley, Cotto on his front foot... I dont know what you're talking about...
canelo was to young and drained....mosley was old and no jab.....cotto was in his brain damaged era.....floyd cherry picked every guy he faced at the right time for him not the fans...and floyd was on performance-enhancing drugs for most of his fights and made sure the opponent was clean and rigged gloves,refs,judges
Hands of Stone shut up dude, i guess Floyd is the only one who's always in tip top shape no matter the circumstances... Stop repeating the same excuses over and over again...
I cant talk sense to a causal floyd fanboy..floyd career was a lie wake up already
Hands of Stone yeah whatever...
i agree, this video baffles me. but I guess people always find a way to conjure up some crap i.e Hands of Stone
Man Hatman you sound like a casual now. Please ask my why.
He had about 3 inches on arm length and up to 7-8in reach when throwing.
I strongly disagree Hatman he is 40 I'm surprised at you bro. I'm sure you've seen all his fights even the old ones he was very aggressive and not as defensive in the later stage of his career
Also Floyd's walked people down before, Judah, Canelo, Maidana at times
The thing is he forces people to have to come to him
you beat me to it, floyds front foot game is nice! lol hes not always gonna do it but when he can he will. and conor was the clearly the perfect guy to keep walking to, he couldnt dent floyd with anything he landed and he was draining energy with each shot and floyd knew it. still decent effort by conor he gassed quickly after 6 rounds
HatmanStrikesBack, you forget to say that you saw a 40 years old man in the ring. Just like Andre Berto who also said Floyd doesn't hit hard, no power, no this and that. Why you guys don't talk about the 19 to 28 years old Floyd??? When you check on Floyd's fights between age 19 to 28 years old I bet you will rethink of whatever you are saying. Why can't you compare him to all those who fought at age 35 to 40 before him? From Joe Louis' era to Roy Jones' era.
because a 19-28 year old mayweather didn't fight mcgregor airhead. R u demented?
You're making an awful amount of videos for what was a 'farce and circus' almost sounds like you were interested in the event. Hypocrite
You can only fight what's in front of you and during Floyd's career who was there that had longer arm length then him in his division?
Without the skills he developed and strategy employed, Floyd's arm length advantage wouldn't matter much. Sounds like he made the most of what was available to him. I realize you didn't suggest this but Floyd I doubt chose his opponents based on their shorter arm lengths. I suspect that for his height he has long arms and faced 50 opponents with the exception of McGregor where his arms were slightly to a inch or two longer. What I am disappointed about is there is little said about all the promises and boasts that McGregor made concerning what he was going to do. Had Floyd made similar boasts and fallen short he'd never hear the end of it yet McGregor gets a pass. McGregor duped a lot people out of their money. He was a hype job who got exposed. His rabid fans claimed he possessed a mythical power punch the likes of which Floyd had never felt and had a chin strong enough to withstand kicks to the face. This malarkey wasn't believed by those who saw Nate Diaz in their first fight take McGregor's punches and land a flush punch to his chin that led to him tapping out. McGregor fanned the flames of unjustified animus against Black fighters that exists and parlayed it upwards to possibly $100M. As P T Barnum is reportedly to have said, 'There's a sucker born every minute.' A lot of suckers just gave away their money betting on McGregor against one of the best fighters of his era. They bought the hype. I suspect you would agree that there's no single boxer who is the best in all facets of the sweet science. Floyd is a skilled counter puncher. As such, he carried the fight to McGregor, a non-boxer, and carried him into the second half of the fight where he, as expected, put a beating on him that led to the fight's stoppage. Floyd is to be congratulated for leaving the sport on his terms, undefeated, one of the best boxers of his era, and the highest grossing boxer ever. Bravo!
Was thinking the exact same thing earlier today. Hearns would have bashed him up
Are u factoring age and the lack of a real training camp? 40 years old.
fair points hatman, I agree if he was in against a serious guy and he fought them this way they would have beat him up. Floyd picks his fights, some people say cherry picks, I wouldnt argue that with them, but I think he knew people wanted to see him come forward and fight a more exciting fight, and he knew McGregor was a guy where he could fight like this and get away with it. Not the only reason for taking the fight or fighting in this way, but a factor. I dont think he would have taken the fight if he was against a guy of this size who could actually punish him for mistakes.
I always thought Hearns would beat Floyd but the Conor fight don't really change my opinion on his pressure game. Prime Floyd did well pressuring Judah with a similar arm length but Hearns is a whole different animal, I don't think anyone at 147/154 can outpoint him, it's either knock him out or lose.
AMAZING INSIGHT Mr Hatman - 100% correct analysis... You are fantastic in the depth of your understanding - Thank you Hatman
What about Diego corrales wasn't he at least 6ft and look at the way he dismantled him. Floyd just fought that way for the fans so they don't complain. Don't you get why he was wearing a ski mask he was committing a robbery in front of millions.this great man has just ended a remarkable career undefeated and your concerned how he looked coming forward tut tut tut.
Floyd "Back Turner" Mayweather
trog lodyte it's a defense thing imo
trog lodyte he wasn't turning his back, McGregor was trying to pivot and come round the side & Floyd could see it coming & just moved in the same direction with him resulting in Conor being behind him.
So his back wasn't turned?
trog lodyte McGregor even said he was trying to get behind him that was the tactic
40 year old off of 2 year layoff. What ifs can apply with anybody. Just remember 50-0.
But an actual longer guy with legitimate good boxing skills like andrade or Lara yh that would give him some problems but in this fight Floyd's feet weren't even sharp he just didn't need them lol
Mayweather was walking McGregor down because Floyd was at his career heaviest weight and was fighting a novice.
Irrelevant video in my opinion the guy has retired
Therefore, this video is a backhanded compliment to Conor McGregor!
Floyd has long arms and judges and refs. Like to see a fight without the judges and refs
Williams would have been really tough for mayweather to beat. Only guys who beat him were southpaw with great overhand lefts.
Agree totally there is no way he would have beat a Tommy hearns I can't remember him ever fighting a tall skilled fighter like Paul William's
I agree with u Hatman ! Another insiteful viewpoint and interesting listen
Mans that know boxing been knowing this already. Younger/lighter floyd with legs stands more of a chance although he'd then be to small for the guys mentioned IMO. Floyd got crazy skills and attributes but at some point the size difference negates the skill gap (which is why there are weight classes). Especially when length is a major part of your game
Floyd will never lose TBE put some respeck on his name
TBE?!?! GTFO, please
Great trolling
Harambe when you know about boxing and practice it you know reach arm length ain't everything IQ beats brut force
Did I even talk about Mayweather boxing IQ? He is very smart in the ring. All I said was that Nelson is just delusionnal if he thinks Money is TBE xD. Why put words in my mouth that I didn't even mention???
Harambe realise that is TBE
Mr hit but don't get hit literally
A master literally he can do it all
He's not the most entertaining but the best aren't ( andre ward) it takes a man to realise what he is
I clocked floyds arms compared to Mcgregor at the weigh in/face off. Floyds arms was unusually long and almost down to his knees. Eye test to me showed floyds actual arm length was longer than Mcgregor. The bottom line when analyzing this fight is Floyd played with and carried a very raw clueless Mcgregor to please the fans and they fell for it.
yo, whats the difference between arm length and reach?
Ja Zeb reach is tip to tip (across back) arm length is armpit to fist
Chicken Wing no, arm length is armpit to fist, reach is fingertip to fingertip including the back.
Come on now hatman.. lets just let this joke fight die off now.. better fights to look forward now.
I think you need to take into consideration that he has taken two years off before coming into this.
Dude what are you talking about ? Floyd didn't have an issue with mcgregor. He stood right in front of him and let him get off. That's why he supposedly was hit so many times allegedly hit I should say
Lara struggles hard against technicians.... I thought carlos Molina beat Lara and vanes easily won 5 rounds in the rematch.
I been thought the same thing for year's Mayweather never fought a tall skilled boxer wit longer arm's then him
I've noticed that many years ago Floyd does not know how to fight coming forward. Notice that whenever he has an opponent on the ropes he always step back and let the opponent get back in the middle of the ring.
d obianuli That's not going forward far as pressuring ppl on ropes or ducking under punches to get inside. I fight very well. I know more bout boxing than most. Mayweather can't fight if he has an opponent on the ropes or if he has to get past a jab or long reach.
d obianuli notice Mayweather don't throw actual combinations. He always throw one punch at a time.
Floyd has destroyed all types of fighters.
I think his toughest fights were against shorter, stronger fighters.
Floyd is just a small man, in reality. Fought in the Olympics below 126. Began pro at 130. Probably grew to a natural 140, at best.
So, yes, many talented, much naturally bigger, longer fighters could beat him.
Floyd's length, when in his favor, probably no more of a factor than when he's had a length disadvantage.
Either way, he won them all.
Floyd's toughest fights are with unpredictable people like maidana
Have a look at Mayweather vs Burton Floyd was hitting fresh air
So, I think Diego Corrales does not count. he's taller than most of the people you said he's longer and he's a knockout artist
Hearns would have knocked Mayweather silly.
Mayweather doesn't have the kind of punch power that SRL had, so wouldn't get to the Hitman that way.
He beat 6"2 Tony Pep on UD. He would have beaten Duran, Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard in his prime. The highest boxing IQ I've ever seen a boxer display in the squared circle. Even more intelligent than Willy Pep and Benny Leonard. Born for greatness. Don't hate, appreciate.
Leonard would have knocked him out
Martijn M Tony Pep, a guy who already had 6 losses before he fought Mayweather. Are you seriously comparing this guy to an ATG like Hearns? That doesn't make sense.
Also, when someone criticises a fighter or points out weaknesses that he has, it doesn't make that person a hater. It sounds like you're emotionally invested in that fighter.
Just addressing the point that Mayweather supposedly would struggle with longer opponents. Of course Pep was leagues away from Hearns. But Mayweather completely nullified Pep's reach advantage. The thing with Floyd is that he will always find a way to win. He adapts his skill set to the guy he boxes. That's why he never touched the canvas in the first place. He would probably slip and counter Hearns with body shots for 12 rounds. Too slick, too skilled.
Martijn M You said that Pep was leagues away from Hearns, yet you claim that Mayweather would still defeat Hearns easily, as if it were a walk in the park.
So you're basically saying that Mayweather is invincible.
Nah there's other ways to fight guys that fight at range he could've outboxed him but as MCgregor is rangy it would've been more difficult to get the stoppage don't think Floyd couldn't have moved and pot shotted him to death as MCgregor just isn't that advanced as a boxer u can tell this as Floyd hardly threw any jabs
love your unbiased opinions hatman but have to totally disagree on this one... there are just too many factors wrong with your point... flyod is 40 retired for 2 yrs and looked so bad in this fight on so many aspects of his performance reach and arm length was the least to talk about...
he wasn't even cutting off the ring against mcgregor, a basic skill set for him... by your logic because he didn't do it in this fight he couldn't have cut the ring against previous opponents or previous greats?... he had lttle to no defence in this fight, does that nagete the fact that he is argueably the best defensive fighter of all time?... he was throwing horrible looking punches out of position with bad timing or flat out not throwing when he was in position and not punishing conor when he had clear shots (look at the finish of the fight no skills on display no body shots when they were begging to be taken, just mad wild head haunting)... again does that mean he can't have done those against the greats? and if so how the hell has he got to this point of being an all time great. i think flyod carried him and left half his skill set at home, had no respect for him and yeh conor's reach but i think more of his awkwardness made him switch styles...
i just don't believe this fight is credible enough to draw conclusions on how he would have done against greats with longer reach... we've seen floyd come forward in spots plenty of times mostly after he has his opponents hurt does he ever look this bad going forward....
p.s don't call me a fan boy i'm a fight fan just like you, and just because you are ubiased doesn't mean you are right about everything... i'm still a fan of your channel keep up the good work
psalm clu I completely agree with you and on top of the reach and arm length if you have a long reach you also have longer arms, so I'm not to sure what he's saying because if you reach is 85cm that's how long you arm is
psalm clu good comment. Specially about fun boy.....😂😂
I agree with you that mayweather looked terrible and old but he didn't had to look better against macgregor. Conor don't have boxing brain.
Mayweather should never fight again in my opinion at least not anyone credible
He is 50-0 too late for all this but if talk....... Besides how the hell do you know what pecentage of his oponents reach over floyds career is arm/shoulder? Apart from the eye test it aint possible, B - HaveYoSelf....
Lost to Maidana and Castillo.
Thestrongestman100 Maidana only won 6 rounds...it was a draw
What about the journeymen 6 foot plus people he faced early on in his career?
Does anyone want a free hug?
Loooool at your TH-cam name.
I get your point Hatman
Corrales (RIP) had longer arms and also longer reach than mayweather!!!! . Mayweather was also more aggressive in his early fights. Also hearns is a much bigger fighter (frame).
Dipo Tee no he did not have longer arms.. get your facts right!!
This is what I have always said.
I disagree, I don't think his front foot game is bad
lara is 5'9 with 74'' reachs same mcgregor. he would have tore through that high guard. then again, we know why fmw stayed away from that fight with the 154 belts for two years. : )
74 inch Connor 72 floyd